at doesn't nice its jobs
A previous version of "at" started its at-jobs with a nice of 2 and its batch-jobs with a nice of 4. The latest doesn't nice at-jobs at all and only has a nice of 1 on batch-jobs. I quite liked having these jobs put somewhat in the background. Could this be reinstated? Also, batch jobs are now started as long as the load is under 1.5 instead of the previous value of 0.5. I couldn't find anything in the documentation to explain why. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: master.debian.org???? BIG PROBLEMS??
> I just checked again. It's not there. I get all the other directories but > nothing under Debian. > > I just got a msg from Christian saying it may be an ftpd error. > > What did you use to check this? I logged on to master directly and checked. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- You can never be too good looking or too well equipped. -- Dilbert -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: master.debian.org???? BIG PROBLEMS??
> I was downloading bo from frozen on master. It should have taken about 4 - 5 > hours. I reduced my terminal and did other things. about 18 pkgs were > recv'd when, evidently, the entire Debian directory tree disappeared. I just checked... master:8 - ~/Debian/frozen/binary> find . -type f | wc 817 817 22230 Everything seems to be okay. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: WINE
> Has wine been pkged for deb? If so where can I find it? > Have a good one. You can find a really old version of wine in project/experimental. I have a newer version compiled on my machine and will be uploading a new package before the release of 1.3. Since Wine isn't really useful as a tool, yet, I haven't been keeping the debian package up to date with the latest source. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Debian GNU/Linux! Search it at http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Netscape/Lynx long startup time - why?
> > The latest mime-support (2.12) will work much better with lynx since > > it tries to use tests that lynx can recognize internally without forking > > an external process. > > Where is 2.12 available. I can only find 2.11 on my nearest Debian > mirror. It was stuck in incoming until this morning. As soon as ftp.debian.org catches up to master, it will be in Bo. > Lynx takes so terribly long time form me to start that I wonder if > I should install a plain ASCII-reader in my Midnight-Commander for > html files. > > Are there possibly other reasons for this behaviour? Not that I know of. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: DEITY TEAM -- REQUEST FOR FUNCTIONALITY and COMMENTS
> The odds that Mr Iannarelli is starting this thread just to > concentrate the flammage, flak and junk into one thread which he can > easilly killfile is astronomical =) This is especially probable given his > insistence on exact spelling in the subject... Excuse me, but this is completely uncalled for and the only true point is about concentrating things into one thread. Nobody is killfiling anything, except possibly your name if this is is the only thing you have to say. If you have something constructive to say, then please go ahead. If not, then don't waste our time. We have work to do. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- It's not the days in your life, but the life in your days that counts.
Re: Netscape/Lynx long startup time - why?
> Why does it take so long for Netscape or Lynx to start? It takes forever because they both read the entire file and run every single test condition they encounter. The latest mime-support (2.12) will work much better with lynx since it tries to use tests that lynx can recognize internally without forking an external process. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice
Re: "dselect" replacement project ("deity")
Those are all points that have been brought up before and will be addressed. Thanks for the input! Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice
"dselect" replacement project ("deity")
It is my pleasure to announce the formation of the dselect replacement project, code-named "deity". The project will be made up of the following 7 people: Project Leader: Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - General organization, dispute resolution, final say on "capabilities" Chief Programmer: Peter Iannarelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Code organization, task breakdown, final say on "code" Mechanic(*): Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Low-level class and library design Dpkg Consultant: Tom Lees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Expert on compatibility with existing dpkg, dependency algorithms, etc. Web Designer: Mark Constable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Work on HTML and CGI interfaces Chief Designer: Behan Webster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Screen layout, ease of use, final say on "user interface" Documentation:Che Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - high & low level design docs, idea tracking, user manuals (*) Someone who likes to work on low-level "engines". (I get called this. :-) A new list "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" has been created with these people subscribed to it. I'm sure I speak for the whole team when I say that we would like to hear everybody's ideas for this new tool. As the design progresses, we will be presenting it back to the devel & user lists for feedback. About the people: * Brian White has been working within the Debian project for about 2 years now and is current the vice president of engineering. He has 14 years of intense software development and knows C and C++ very well. * Peter Iannarelli is fairly new to Debian but is anxious to contribute. He has 13 years of experience with Unix and C, plus 7 years of C++. He also has a background in java, motif, and curses, along with strong design and documentation skills. * Jason Gunthorpe has 4 years of experience with C/C++ and enjoys working at the class-level of designs. He has already started working out how some of the underlying problems can be solved efficiently. * Tom Lees has experience with C/C++ and has spent time studying the existing dpkg system. He also has a background in text-mode user interfaces and sgml documentation. * Behan Webster has 14 years of experience with C programming and Unix, plus 5 years of C++. He has worked extensively on user interfaces (mostly the graphical kind) and has a good feel for what is intuitive and easy to use. * Che Fox is a whiz at linuxdoc-sgml and will be managing the documentation. He also has experience with Tk interfaces. * Mark Constable has a good background in web/cgi interaction and will be working to make that a viable interface. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice
"dselect" replacement team
As part of the facelift for Debian 2.0, I'd like to offer an improved interface as an alternative for "dselect". To this end, I'm going to be putting together a team of people to produce such a product. If you would like to work on this, please let me know and tell me what resources you have (machines, expertise, and especially time). Serious replies, only, please; this will require a fair amount of effort from all people involved. The expertise still needed is mostly: - gui design - technical writing (html; tex,texinfo a plus) - multi-lingual The team will be small; probably 6 people at the most. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- If you have a 50% chance of guessing right, you'll guess wrong 75% of the time.
Re: How to modify subject of incoming emails using procmail
Here's mine...
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* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian
* !^TObcwhite
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* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)(board|debian-board)
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* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian.*-announce
$DEFAULT
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* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian-qa
Filtered/debian-qa
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* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian-private
Filtered/debian-private
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* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian.*-changes
Filtered/debian-changes
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* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian-(admintool|devel)
Filtered/debian-devel
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* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian-user
Filtered/debian-user
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* (^TO|^X-Mailing-List:.*)debian.*-bugs
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Re: Is Bo frozen???
> is Bo frozen already? When Rex got frozen I received a message from > Debian-Announce saying so. I also read in www.debian.org that Rex > was frozen. I think I have heard that Bo is frozen but I have not > checked the FTP sites yet. Yes, it is. It was announced to debian-user, but not debian-announce (that I know of). Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell
Bo has been Frozen -- Beta Test
I'm not sure if this was announced before, so... * * * * * * * * * * * * * Bo has now been officially frozen! If you'd like to start upgrading to the packages in that distribution, please do. We can use all the testing we can get. People who can do from-scratch installs are also needed. If you would like to be an "official" tester, please contact Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. * * * * * * * * * * * * * Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell
Re: BO
> I don't understand you fuc**ng ppl! Okay, let's all just take it easy. Yes, the original mail was a little overbearing but this doesn't help calm the situation. It's really easy to take what is said in email more seriously, more condesending, and more rudely than the author intended (with blame distributed more or less evenly between the author and the reader). Beer, anyone? Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice
Re: Netscape popup windows zero size problem
> I looked on my CD for a netscape...deb file, but didn't find one, so > just downloaded a copy of netscape from netscape and loaded it. You can find the netscape installer packages in the contrib section. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- It's not the days in your life, but the life in your days that counts.
Re: Perl On Linux Where?
> I am a newbie, but i would like to install perl on my > debian system, can anyone tell me where it is located > and how much space will it take. Try debian/bo/binary-i386/interpreters/perl_5.003.07-8.deb It will take about 5MB installed. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.
Re: Zyxel
> Has anyone used Zyxel(?) it is in the unstable directory and looks a lot like > mgetty (v,and the fax stuff). Has anyone used vgetty and had it work > *with out problems*. I asked earlier about using my linux box as an aswering > machine and got tons of messages telling me to use vgetty and now that I've > read some of the docs I am not sure about which modem to buy. I used the Zyxel package temporarily (my first Debian package, I believe) but switched to efax. I recommend trying mgetty or vgetty as you will probably have fewer problems. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell
Tiff utils missing from new net-pbm
It seems the "tifftopnm" and "pnmtotiff" programs are missing from the latest netpbm. What happened to them? Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- It's not the days in your life, but the life in your days that counts.
Re: netscape: Floating Point Exception,
> I Loaded something like > netscape-v30-export.x86-unknown-linux-elf.tar.gz > I got the exec-ready-to-use file > I ran it .. and it said: Floating point exception (core dumped). > Haa. It was too simple to work so easily ! What is wrong ? > Is there a better release without any problem for linux Debian ? I don't think I've ever seen that before. Do you have a coprocessor on your system or are you using emulation in the kernel? Netscape works a bit better if you install it with the installer package found in contrib. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Debian GNU/Linux! Search it at http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple
Problems with FVWM-2
I upgraded to fvwm2 today and ran into a few problems. Some of these may be worthy of bug reports, but I thought I'd mention them here first. - The postinst of fvwm2 fails if you ask it to convert fvwm1 rc files to the new format and gawk is not present. fvwm2 should either depend on gawk or the postinst should just ignore this error. The source of the error was found by trying to run "fvwmrc_convert" by hand. - The .fvwm2/init.hook would not be executed unless I added the line AddToFunc InitFunction as the end of the .fvwm2/post.hook file. Without this line, it was as though the init.hook file didn't even exist. - When using desktops, a keybinding of Key F1 A M Desk 0 1 Key F2 A M Desk 0 2 Key F3 A M Desk 0 3 Key F4 A M Desk 0 4 Key F5 A M Desk 0 5 Key F6 A M Desk 0 6 Key F7 A M Desk 0 7 Key F8 A M Desk 0 8 would not work when the mouse was on the root window. I tried other settings other than "A" and could get none to flip screens unless the mouse was on top of a window. I have since switched back to the larger desktop (instead af multiple desktops) and use the above keybindings with with the "GotoPage" function and everything works fine. - The FvwmPager does not have the correct aspect ration. Each of the virtual screens is a long and narrow rectangle instead of a square. The horizontal scale seems to be about 3/4 of what it was under fvwm1. I have no reference to compare the vertical scale. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell
Re: mailcap error
> I get the following message when I install packages > like xanim, imagemagic, etc: > > Error: '/etc/mailcap' is not in required format > > What is wrong? In order for mime-support to work, it requires a specific format of the mailcap file. I suggest you re-install mime-support and make sure the distributed /etc/mailcap file gets put into place. I'll make that error message a little more informative. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.
Re: Free Publicity from the RSA Data Security Challenge
> Yep, it's 2056. In fact I set plug-gw up on www.debian.org and assigned > it a new IP address so it could be canonical, only to find that the > protocol is changing to an undocumented UDP-based system for no good > reason. See http://zero.genx.net. > > Anyone have ideas about what how to handle that? The message they had said there would be both new binaries _and_ proxies made available. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell
Re: Netscape 4.0b2 out, any success?
> Also, NetScape takes about 5 minutes to start if you have > mime-support installed. It seems to run /bin/sh for every entry > in /etc/mailcap and it doesn't like what it finds in there at all. > Eventually after spewing a bunch of error messages, it settles down and > runs. I've had to temporarily delete /etc/mailcap to make it bearable. There was some incompatibility between netscape and (I think) metamail. I'm not sure if it has been fixed, yet. The startup time problem come from netscape trying every test in mailcap each time it starts up. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Give others some insight into YOUR pages! http://www.verisim.com/insite/
Re: IMPORTANT: RSA Data Security Challenge participants please read
> From: "John T. Larkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Harvey Mudd should be producing somewhere between 3 and 4 M kps by > > tomarrow. Right now, most of us are running under [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > but we can change that if Bruce still disagrees with our possition. > > I asked the people at Zero to lump our points in with those for > [EMAIL PROTECTED] . They are either doing that or just deleting our > submissions from the log, I'm not sure. I was hoping to have the proxy set up first so you could also ask them to transfer the points to the "www.debian.org" machine and the "debian.org" domain. Would you ask them that, too? (when the proxy is running) Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Free Publicity from the RSA Data Security Challenge
> I think it would score a lot of PR points for Debian to place, or win. > Debian is a Linux distribution. Our win is Linux's win. Our win is the > FSF's win. Our win is even, to some degree, RedHat's and Slackware's win, > because they serve a similar market with a similar product. Microsoft > droids don't appear to be participating: I didn't see any pre-compiled > clients for Windows NT. I agree completely, but we can place on a different list. There are rankings for email address (chosen when running the program), machine name (derived from the IP address), and the domain name (also derived from the IP address). If we could create a proxy and route all key requests through our www.debian.org, then that machine would appear, given our current participation, SECOND on the machine list and THIRD on the domain list. Because the name "www.debian.org" means web-site, we should hopefully get quite a few hits to that site! In addition, anybody looking at the numbers would indicate to everyone that we are obviously supporting the "linuxnet" address (since at 10.1MKeys/sec, only linuxnet and #root have higher totals). I'm sure the stats-keeper would transfer our totals to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and www.debian.org if we asked nicely enough. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PostScript without PS printers
> I now have my printer (Canon BJC-4100) working under Debian. It was > really easy; only one tricky part. We're running an HP-850C as a network printer using the cdj550 driver of ghostscript. Works great! Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gcc & cc1
> My new installation (1.2.1) no longer compiles via gcc. The system error > message is: > 'gcc: installation problem, cannot exec 'cc1': No such file or directory' > Any clues/hints? Try running the gcc command line with "-v". This should tell you what program it cannot find. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Searching for something? Look to us! http://www.verisim.com/ferret/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The CD Issue
I'm just coming into this conversation, so please forgive me while I get up to speed on this... As I understand it, Bruce proposed... - Debian would have an specific "ultra-stable" CD image that anybody could use. - Debian would have an "Official" logo which it would let people put on their CDs if they would sign a contract stating they would give $2 of the sale of each CD to Debian. - A 1-900 help line where people could call for official Debian support. In response, people said... - Debian was becoming Microsoft - Debian had abandoned the "free software" idea Come on, guys! These are just low blows and don't have any weight behind them. Bruce's proposal has a lot of merit! Even the FSF _charges_ for its CDs, tapes, and manuals. As somebody else said, "non-profit" does not mean "non-income". Debian is committed to making a high-quality Linux distribution. It's not commited to public charity. Even the GPL says you can charge anything you want for the software. You just can't restrict further distribution of that code. Bruce, you have my total support for this proposal. I'm sorry I was not in touch enough to give you the support when you really needed it. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Searching for something? Look to us! http://www.verisim.com/ferret/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape problems :(
> I just installed Netscape 3.01 for Linux, and it looks not bad. The > problem is screen sizes. I'm running XFree86 3.2 in 800x600 mode with the > fvwm95 manager, but whenever I open the mail window, it won't fit on the > screen. Not to mention that I can't figure out how to get past 256 colors. Was this package installed using the Debian package, or by hand? Netscape probably won't find its app-defaults file without being set up properly. You can also put something in your .Xresources file or start it with a command like: 'netscape -geometry 1137x990' (on 1280x1024) I don't know if netscape can handle more than 8-bits of color. Of course, if X is running with 16 or 24 bitplanes, netscape will get all colors that it asks for. > P.S. Could anyone recomend a good manager, or should I stick with fvwm95? I use fvwm without any problems. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free space on Linux Drive
> I think this a simple enough question, but even my Unix teacher can't > answer it. I just installed Debian on my 586 Windoze machine, with a 200mb > partition. The first time I installed it on 100 megs but I ran out of > room. My question is how can I check how much space is left on my Linux > partition. I DOS, I can use chkdsk, is there a similiar function in Linux? The desired unix command is "df". Often you can find commands like this by using the "-k" (keyword) option of man. If you want to search for multiple keywords, pipe the output into grep. callandor:~> man -k free | grep disk df (1) - summarize free disk space callandor:~> df Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on /dev/sda3 463950 34556794422 79% / /dev/sda1 478960 44904829912 94% /dos /dev/sdb1 198428 17311225316 87% /dosd ftp:/home/ftp 987251 786053 150192 84% /home/ftp cvs:/var/cvs 987251 786053 150192 84% /var/cvs home:/home/verisim987251 786053 150192 84% /home/verisim fax:/var/spool/fax987251 786053 150192 84% /var/spool/fax gnats:/var/gnats-db 987251 786053 150192 84% /var/gnats-db gate:/export/tmp 987251 786053 150192 84% /tmpmnt Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backspace, Delete in xterm
> On Wed, 15 Jan 1997, Brian C. White wrote: > > > Please, PLEASE, correct this! Either set all the ttys to use BS (^H) > > as the rubout character or fix xterm to send DEL (^?) when the backspace > > key is pressed. > > For what it's worth, I used to have problems with backspace and delete > until I realized that is delete and is backspace. After > a little bit, I'll think you'll even find this setup to be more convenient > because your hands never have to grope. Sorry, but is not "delete" and, though is backspace, it is not the rubout character. CTRL-D is an emacs "delete-char" command that is also recognized by bash, tcsh, and other programs that use enhanced readline. You'll also find that M-D (ESC-D or ALT-D) is "kill-word" and M-backspace is "backward- kill-word". Try the following: 'less ' The try to search for something by type "/bueue" (with no CR). Then try to backspace to change the search string. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down. >From miss Received: from golem.pixar.com (138.72.27.59) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 19 Jan 1997 02:11:09 - Received: (qmail 21411 invoked from smtpd); 19 Jan 1997 00:59:57 - Received: from primer.i-connect.net (HELO master.debian.org) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by golem.pixar.com with SMTP; 19 Jan 1997 00:59:14 - Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date:Sat, 18 Jan 1997 19:27:06 -0500 From: Ami Ganguli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Ganguli Consulting Inc. X-Sender: Ami Ganguli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete Templin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Steve Dunham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Best Debian CD? X-Priority: Normal References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: <"1kde.0.gd1.CgMuo"@master.debian.org> Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/3867 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Priority: non-urgent Importance: low Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pete Templin wrote: > Hmmmseems to me that Windows NT is a three floppy system. Although > three is certainly less than six, three is significantly more than one. I think a single floppy install should be possible, but it would require a different approach than is currently used. I'd like to see an install package that bootstraps from DOS: 1. insert a DOS boot disk that has some common CD-ROM drivers, 2. run an install program directly from the CD. Actually, if you've already got DOS running on your pc, it should be possible to put in the CD and run a "setup.exe" without ever making a boot floppy. I know it's against most of our philosophies to support the use of DOS in any capacity, but when Caldera releases OpenDOS this could provide a really nice, fast way to install the system and it would still be free. As it stands now, we still need DOS to use "rawrite.exe" anyway. Another alternative (actually my favourite) is to use ELKS (Linux-8086) to bootstrap regular Linux. Unfortunately it'll be a while before that's feasible. Regards... ... Ami. -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: "Tip of the day" (was :Re: Documentation)
> Perhaps we can obtain the Tip of the Day database from Micro$oft Word. We > all know there's tons of useful information in that databank. Like the "Never run with scissors." one? Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netscape and LANG variable
> it seems that netscape has problems when the environment variable LANG > is set to de_DE. The postscript file produced by netscape isn't > correct in this case > > e.g. With LANG variable set: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] translate > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] scale > > and without > > 36.2 705.2 translate > 14.7 14.7 scale > > This as an info for those who are wondering, why netscape is not > printing I suggest you report this to Netscape. Using netscape, select "how to give feedback" under the help menu. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backspace, Delete in xterm
> less does not do backspace and delete correct, when having the > variable TERM=xterm set. > > While using the search command backspace sends delete and delete sends > ESC[3~. With TERM=linux it's ok. > Backspace and delete are doing the right thing in the command line. Actually, backspace is not doing the right thing on the command line. It's just that both bash and tcsh will accept either the BS or DEL character as a "rubout" command. Ftp, because it uses the GNU "readline" library will also work. The problem is that the tty is set to have the DEL code (^?) as rubout and xterm in X3.2 sends BS (^H). In X3.1, the xterm sent the DEL code. I really dislike the new code. It makes my network difficult to use. Previously, I could log into any box on our network (Debian & Solaris) and have it behave correctly. Now, if I try to run anything from an xterm or a rlogin/telnet session that doesn't have intelligent readline, I can't backspace. Please, PLEASE, correct this! Either set all the ttys to use BS (^H) as the rubout character or fix xterm to send DEL (^?) when the backspace key is pressed. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Too many packages!
> > Note: You DEselect what you want to remove. When I first used dselect, I > > unselected everything and then selected the packages I wanted to remove. > > You can guess the rest... > > That probably should be clarified: > > You select for removal or purging those packages you don't want. > You select for holding those packages you don't want to touch. > (You select for installing/updating those package you want.) > > Right? > > (Don't say "deselect" here. It's completely ambiguous.) You're right. The names have changed since I last used dselect (a _long_ time ago). At one time, it was "select/deselect" instead of "install/remove". Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 3.01 and Java?
> Does Java support work in Netscape 3.01? It's bus erroring for me > whenever it hits an applent and java_301 is in the right place. It works fine if you install it using the Debian installer package for netscape. It's in contrib. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 3.01
> :> Anyone have any comments on the stability of Netscape 3.01? In > :> particular, I'm curious if it runs o.k. with the lastest libc, or do I > :> need to continue loading Netscape with the older malloc etc. > : > :If you install it with the Debian package (in contrib), then it works > :just fine. > > I thought the netscape package in contrib/ was just the installer. > The real Netscape binary still needed from somewhere? Is that right? > BTW, can someone tell me where and what version of the Netscape > for Linux/Debian should I down? That is correct. The actual binary is available from ftp://ftp.netscape.com or http://www.netscape.com The 3.01 installer will only install the 3.01 version of netscape. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Too many packages!
> > Ok, so somehow I downloaded a lot of stuff I just don't want, like X, emacs, > > TeX, and a host of little things like the little calculator program... I > > fire up Dselect and go to remove, and then it comes back to the menu screen > > with Exit highlighted. Is this normal? > > Yes, because you didn't select what you want to remove. Use select first. Note: You DEselect what you want to remove. When I first used dselect, I unselected everything and then selected the packages I wanted to remove. You can guess the rest... Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Better Categorization (was: improvements)
> Mainly breaking it up a little more into categories would have let > me build the system I want better. Like, I could go into a Utilities menu > and choose editors and then choose vi and pico, but not emacs. Then go back > and under networking go to mail and get pine, then back up and go to news > and get tin, but not INN since I just want to read from another server, not > host news. I mention this briefly before Christmas, but thought I flesh it out a bit and repeat it... I think it would be a good idea to add a "Keywords:" line to the control information for Debian packages. This would be an extension to the "Section:" field with the section being considered the primary keyword. A user-interface utility would then allow the user to narrow/expand the list of package presented. For example: Sections: [ ] admin [ ] base[ ] comm[ ] contrib [ ] devel [ ] doc [ ] editors [ ] experimental [ ] games [ ] graphic [ ] smail [ ] math [ ] misc[ ] net [ ] news[ ] nonfree [ ] shells [ ] sound [ ] text[ ] x11 Keywords: (*) And ( ) Or [ ] small [ ] graphics[ ] English [ ] French [ ] sound [ ] internet (note: I am not suggesting those keywords -- they are examples only) Maintainers would be able to select their own keywords, but there should also be a fixed set which should always be given if applicable. Of course, this is still an "expert" selection system. The should also be some sort of pre-formed package sets that beginners can install. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Searching for something? Look to us! http://www.verisim.com/ferret/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 3.01
> Anyone have any comments on the stability of Netscape 3.01? In > particular, I'm curious if it runs o.k. with the lastest libc, or do I > need to continue loading Netscape with the older malloc etc. If you install it with the Debian package (in contrib), then it works just fine. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How much space does a Debian mirror take?
> > Secondly, how much faster can I see between the 28.8 modem, ISDN, > > T1, T2 , etc. I'd also want to know what should I need from the > > ISP in order to setup the connection between my Debian/Linux box > > to the ISP. All the ISPs seem to support only WFW3.11/95/Mac/NT > > and not Linux. > > Leaving compression aside, > > 28.8 modem28.8 Kbps > ISDN 128 Kbps (64 Kbps/B-channel) > T11.44 Mbps (now we're talkin'!) > T2??? is there any such thing? > T338.4 Mbps (oh baby!) > SMDS hmm, I think you can get up to 100Mbps > frame-relay 64 Kbps to 1.44 Mbps > DS1 56 Kbps Don't forget ADSL: T1 in one direction, ISDN the other, runs over existing copper lines. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UPS Support
> Is there any Linux / Debian support for the APC UPS PRO series ?? > If so, what package/program should I be looking for ? I just uploaded "genpower" into unstable in December. I've been using it on my APC Backups-Pro 420 for several months. It works great! Included in the docs is a specification for a cable that will detect power-fail (of course), battery low, and a disconnected cable. It will also turn off the UPS's inverter after the system halts. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maintaining multiple Debian boxes
> Has anybody used GNU cfengine? I don't really know what it's capable of, but > it's > a free part of Debian. I was considering using it myself, but I haven't had > time > to investigate it properly. We use it here to maintain about a half-dozen Debian machines. It works great for managing package configuration (with a little work), but currently doesn't have support for keeping package installation lists the same. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Colour inkjet printers
> I am currently considering the purchase of a colour inkjet printer, > for text and graphics printing (including images from Photo-CD). I > would be interested in experiences people have had in using them with > Debian - the models I am currently interested in are the Epson Stylus > 500 and Stylus Pro and the HP 820CXi and 870CXi. I presume the main > issue is how well Ghostscript manages to drive the printers, and whether > all the driver options can be accessed without running under Windows. We have an HP DeskJet 850C and it works quite well. Unfortunately, I have been unable to get it to work with color under Linux (comes with drivers for Windows and works fine there) because the only ghostscript device that drives it correctly is the (black&white) "laserjet" driver. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Searching for something? Look to us! http://www.verisim.com/ferret/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xterm color
> > Instructions for turning on recognition of the color change escape > > sequences is in the xterm man page. > > Yes indeed. And that means you need this resource line: > > XTerm*customization: -color > > in your /etc/X11/Xresources file or your user Xresource file > if you don't want it for the world. Would it be a good idea to make this the default in the distribution? It seems a better idea to allow individuals to disable a feature than to tell them how to enable it (as long as it doesn't create any backward-compatibility issues, which I doubt this does). Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buggy "mime-support" package? :-(
> > None of these are technically supposed to depend on mime-support. They > > should only test for its availability before calling the "install-mime" > > program. This is documented in the "install-mime" man page. > > Well, I can only speak to the needs of the pine package. /etc/mailcap is > provided by mime-support and needed by pine. This is the reason for it's > dependence on mime-support. Install-mime is not needed or used by the pine > installation scripts, so is not the issue here. I can only assume that the > other packages mentioned have similar needs and therefore, rightly, depend > on mime-support. Yes, of course. I wasn't thinking about programs using it. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Want to get it together? We can help! http://www.verisim.com/coordinator/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Buggy "mime-support" package? :-(
> Anyway, the main trouble seems to be that the Debian-1.2 /etc/mailcap has > grown to a rather ridiculous size as compared to the version provided with > Debian-1.1.xx: > cut-here > [root]/root > v /etc/mailcap* > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 320596 Dec 24 04:12 /etc/mailcap > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 502 Nov 30 13:41 /etc/mailcap.bak > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 841 Dec 3 17:59 /etc/mailcap.dpkg-dist > cut-here I've seen one other case of this. It happened because the /etc/mailcap was not in the proper format. The latest mime-support package v2.09 (probably only in "bo") checks for this problem but older ones didn't. I suggest you remove the /etc/mailcap file and reinstall the "mime-support" package. > Well, trying to deinstall the mime-support for apparent reasons i just get > *lots* of dependancy conflicts making it impossible to do without this > thing. Here the relevant lines from the dselect dialog: > cut-here > pine depends on mime-support > apache depends on mime-support > xpdf depends on mime-support (>= 2.01-1) > metamail depends on mime-support (>= 2.02-1) > lynx recommends mime-support > xanim depends on mime-support (>= 2.08) > cut-here None of these are technically supposed to depend on mime-support. They should only test for its availability before calling the "install-mime" program. This is documented in the "install-mime" man page. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- It's not the days in your life, but the life in your days that counts. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wine dor Debian ?
> Is there a debian package of wine? Seems like I saw this question a > month or so ago & I thought I saved the response, but I can't put my > finger on it at the moment. Yes. You can find it under project/experimental. It isn't really useful yet and so isn't kept scrictly up-to-date with what is available. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xterm-color : green cursor??
> I recently installed xterm-color, but now ALL my xterm windows have a > nasty green cursor in them... is there ANY way to tell xterm to use a > specific cursor color, either for each window or globally? You can get all this from the xterm man page, I believe, but here are the lines I put in my .Xresources file: XTerm*alwaysHighlight: false XTerm*background: navy XTerm*foreground: white XTerm*cursorColor: yellow XTerm*font: 10x20 XTerm*internalBorder: 2 XTerm*jumpScroll: true XTerm*reverseWrap: false XTerm*saveLines:1024 XTerm*scrollBar:true XTerm*scrollTtyOutput: false XTerm*scrollKey:true XTerm*scrollLines: 1 Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Debian GNU/Linux! Search it at http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGP
> The International Version of PGP is a slightly modified algorithm with > fewer bits. Currently, it is illegal under the Data Encryption and > Privacy Act (modified) of 1995 to export encryption programs which use > 56+ bits outside the United States. The international version supports at least 1024 bits. That is the reason why the US government has been giving Phil Zimmerman (author of PGP) a hard time, though he recently won his court case. > There is, of course, a workaround to get superior encryption with the > Internation versions (not only of pgp, but RSA and DES as well). Make > 3 keys and do the following: > > 1) encrypt with key 1 > 2) decrypt with key 2 > 3) encrypt with key 3 I'm not sure about PGP, but DES actually gets _weaker_ if encrypted with two keys. Three keys does make it much stronger, though, as you say. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can't find netscape and Debian versions
> As the package simply installs the program downloaded from Netscape, you > can also install the program yourself in the /usr/local/ tree. It also makes a few changes so it can find the proper system files. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wine, sources of other debian packages
> With the discusion of Wine, I was wondering if a Wine package was in the > works? There has been a Debian package of Wine for many months. It can be found in "project/experimental". I don't update it very often because I haven't found it to be in a useful state as of yet. The latest one seems to run quicken okay (two transaction entries, anyway) and I'll be uploading that shortly. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Want to get it together? We can help! http://www.verisim.com/coordinator/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I can't find netscape and Debian versions
> I know that the directory tree on ftp.debian.org is in a state of change > with the upcoming release of v1.2, but I have spent two hours looking > for the 'netscape-v301' package. Could somone point me to the > correct location? I'll be fine from that point on (I think 8-). It's in "contrib". Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Given up on word viewer..
> Thanks all for suggestions on trying to get the MS Word Viewer to run > under wine. I've finally given up! :( > WINE segfaults under wordview.exe now. (At least it starts to execute it.. > before I got the share errors)... Wine is still very-alpha. In addition, if you installed the wine package in project/experimental, it is an old version. I've built a newer version but was having troubles with the new source packaging format. Since it seems several people would like to evaluate it, I'll try to build a new package soon. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Want to get it together? We can help! http://www.verisim.com/coordinator/ -- This message was delayed because the list mail delivery agent was down.
Re: Goodbye, all! (Whatever became of X3.2)
> what is happening to the debian distribution? is it folding? Absolutely not. Debian is strong and growing. This entire mess was actually a bit of a growing pain with different people having different ideas about what would make Debian the strongest. There is no cause for concern regarding the future of Debian. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Goodbye, all! (Whatever became of X3.2)
> This thread seems to have appeared in the debian-user lists a little > like a bolt from the blue. I am a very keen Debian user and > proselytiser and I'm sure that many of us are very concerned about the > future of Debian re. what we have read. > > I don't want debian-user to become a war zone or a mud slinging forum, > but perhaps a short statement from Brain and Bruce would be in order. This was completely my fault. I wasn't watching what I typed in the CC line and typed "debian-user" instead of "debian-devel". > What is the problem with XFree3.1 that to release Debian 1.2 with it > would have been so disastrous? (I have a lot of machines running 3.1 > connected to the Internet, I feel I should be told.) There is a security hole in XFree3.1 that allows any user to get root access. X3.2 fixes this, but just came out recently. The discussion on debian-devel was whether it was better to release Debian 1.2 with X3.1 and a notice about the security problem, or to delay the release and ship it with X3.2. There are arguements both ways. The final decision was to delay and ship with X3.2. > I really like Debian, both as an excellent high quality GNU/Linux > distribution, and (I thought) as a model of cooperative, dispersed > development. I really hope that it succeeds, in fact I hope to > contribute to its success, but my _perception_ at the moment is of > technical secrets being kept from users (re. XFree3.1) and of possibly > dark and unpleasent personal problems dammaging the distribution's > development. That, alas, really smacks of proprietary development models. Debian is all of those things. Nothing is ever perfect, though. The message I sent would not make much sense without the context of the last week. Please try not to read too much into it. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Goodbye, all! (Whatever became of X3.2)
> I've thought about this for many hours, and I'm afraid I agree with Ian. > If we release with XFree86 3.1, that will be the last Debian release ever, > because we will have blown our credibility. We just can't afford to do it. > So, I'm afraid I really must accept the resignation you offered yesterday. Forgive me for being confused... I agreed to put X3.2 in if that was the policy you wanted. You then asked my opinion _again_ and said you would follow my opinion. Please make up your mind. Don't expect people to change they personal opinion just because they agree to go along with those of other people. I never placed my position as "distribution manager" on the line for this point. I just said that if you didn't want me to do my job, then say so. This was never a popularity contest between myself and Ian. However since you have said so, I officially hand in my resignation. I wish you good luck with Debian in the future. I also wish you good luck ever getting anyone else to work for you again. I find it unlikely that anyone will be comfortable in any position you grant because they know that you will be second guessing them all the way. There will also be some doubt as to whether it is you or Ian that actually runs the distribution. You were effectively held hostage by a threat; whether the demands were reasonable or not is irrelevant. I'm sure Guy is also wonderfully happy that you sanctioned Ian's invasion on his ground (the FTP site). Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape - bus error
> Thank you for your suggestion, it seems a very good one. I will try it > in the evening (at home). > > >Netscape is unable to allocate colors for its display. Try doing > >"netscape -ncols 64" and see if the "unable to obtain" erros go > >away. If not, try numbers smaller than 64 or close some applications > >that are using lots of colors. If the bus error goes away, you should > >report this as a bug to Netscape (see "how to give feedback" under the > >help menu). > > P.S. how can I acess the "help menu" if I can not acess Netscape? 8-). Well, I did say "If the bus error goes away...". But I must admit I didn't think of that when I wrote it. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: package sizes
> > box. I would like to be able to browse the ftp site and > > find out how big a package is going to be once it is installed > > *before* having to download it. > > Just download the Packages file for each distribution. The installed > size is the 'Size' field. The size of the .deb you can get from the > ls-lR.gz in the root directory. Actually, as I understand it, "Size" is the size of the debian package and "Installed-Size" is (supposed to be) the size once installed. (I originally requested "size" and "md5sum" for sanity checking in dftp.) Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dftp and some problems
> > I tried to connect and then choose ftp from the dselect access menu but > > I couldn't get the pppd to connect right. as far as I can see everything > > is exactly the same (Except lots of stuff that should be in /usr/bin and > > /usr/sbin is in /bin and /sbin instead.. pppd and chat are in /usr/sbin > > though) If you are using "dselect", then you mean "dpkg-ftp" as opposed to "dftp" which is a self-contained program. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape - bus error
Pedro Quaresma wrote: > > Hi. > > I want to install Netscape in my Debian-Linux 486DX2 (66Mhz). > $ netscape > > unable to obtain ... (I do not remenber exactly something about colors) > > unable to obtain ... > > bus error > $ > > Can you help me? Netscape is unable to allocate colors for its display. Try doing "netscape -ncols 64" and see if the "unable to obtain" erros go away. If not, try numbers smaller than 64 or close some applications that are using lots of colors. If the bus error goes away, you should report this as a bug to Netscape (see "how to give feedback" under the help menu). Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: User can't log into FTP.
> One of my "default system" users (www-data to be exact) can't log in. > My other users can. Make sure that the shell specified for that user in /etc/passwd is listed in the file /etc/shells. > I don't see anywhere that this user is not allowed to log in to FTP. > > What must I do to allow that user to login via ftp? I want to be able to > give someone access to the web server files, but thats all. > What AM I missing? From "man ftpd"... Ftpd authenticates users according to three rules. 1. The user name must be in the password data base, /etc/passwd, and not have a null password. In this case a password must be provided by the client before any file operations may be per formed. 2. The user name must not appear in the file /etc/ftpusers (see ftpusers(5)). 3. The user must have a standard shell returned by getusershell(3). 4. If the user name is ``anonymous'' or ``ftp'', an anonymous ftp account must be present in the password file (user ``ftp''). In this case the user is allowed to log in by specifying any password (by convention this is given as the client host's name). Hmmm... That's four rules... Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian via ftp
> I wan't to install debian now via etherlink. > Which programs do I need for that ? [ dselect , dk??-ftp , ... ] > And were are they ? You can also use the "dftp" package that is available under "rex" and "bo". Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: libc-5.4.13
> Hold on there. When was Debian 1.2 released? Inquiring minds want to > know.. With a little luck, it _will_ be released this Wednesday. It has been frozen since early November. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Give others some insight into YOUR pages! http://www.verisim.com/insite/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Managing a network of Debian machines?
> Problems: some packages need hand editing of some config files in > /etc. This could be handled by cfengine, which can be run by the same > cron job after dftp. Another problem is that I *think* dftp can only > do ftp. This is a nuisance when your upgrade center doesn't have > anonymous ftp. If this is really the case, I think we should ask the > author of dftp to include support to use a directory instead of ftp > only. 'cfengine' actually comes with it's own cron.daily script that also supports config files stored using RCS or CVS. Running 'dftp' from that same script will cause problems since it eventually calls 'dpkg' to do the work and that can require user input. 'dftp' will run off any mounted filesystem as well as over FTP. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bo is full of symlinks to rex?
> Prior to the freezing of rex, "unstable" (rex) contained all of the > physical files of the distribution. > > Now, "unstable" is "bo", and it has many links back to rex. > > At what point will "bo" loose the links to rex and be self-contained > again? The plan is to leave symlinks from "bo" to "rex" until the time that "bo" is frozen. > When the change occured, my mirror of "unstable" lost a bunch of files. > Now I have to get both rex and bo. I think I can continually mirror > "unstable" only, by careful use of the following option in mirror, but > I haven't actually tried this yet: > > If the remote site contains symlinks that you want to "flat- > ten out" into the corresponding files, then do this by > changing the flags passed to the remote ls: > flags_recursive+L > or > flags_nonrecursive+L > > First test this by trying a ls -lRatL on the remote site > under the ftp command to check whether the remote file-store > has any symlink loops. > > Anybody got a better method to mirror only the "unstable" tree > efficiently? We have the same problem here. I didn't know about the options you describe. Unfortunately, that would disable all symlinks for the entire Debian distribution unless you get "unstable" separately. This is not too difficult to do, luckily. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Searching for something? Look to us! http://www.verisim.com/ferret/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where is Netscape package?
> I have been looking for the netscape package under rex but can't find > it. Where is it? The 3.0 version is in "contrib". The 3.01 version still hasn't made it out of Incoming (to my knowledge). Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Debian GNU/Linux! Search it at http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cfengine?
This is a reply from Mark Burgess (esteemed author of cfengine) regarding your question on cfengine... Brian White wrote: This message was posted to the debian-user list. I thought you would be interested. > > I must admit, I've been a little lax in keeping the version of cfengine > that is available under Debian up to date with your releases. He'll be > running version 1.3.8. > - >In cfengine all machines belong to several classes, e.g >mail_server = ( tango ) >mail_client = ( samba rumba ) >home_server = ( samba ) .. >In a cfengine-file one can use these classes to perfom any action. But >when I want to perform the e.g. the following action >copy: mail_server:: do something mail_client:: do something home_server:: do something >the script doesn't perform the last entry for home_server on samba, >because the host samba already belongs to the class mail_client and a >action for this host is already performed. Isn't there a possibility >to test for all classes if the hosts belongs to it or not? >Dirk -- Mark Burgess (author of cfengine) replies: Hei. I think you have misunderstood. Cfengine will perform all the actions for defined classes. If it is not doing so, I would guess that there is some kind of misunderstanding going on. You could try to follow the voluminous output from the -d2 flag which gives debugging info, or -v for verbose to see whether all the classes you think are defined really are. Otherwise, I would definitely upgrade to 1.3.16 (Brian!) It has some nice new features and a few bug fixes, which might just help... good luck! BTW: there are now two cfengine newsgroups whcih have finally started working: gnu.cfengine.help gnu.cfengine.bug best regards, Mark -- Since Debian is going through a code freeze for its next release, I decided to leave the last version I had used without problem. I will release the latest version of cfengine in the next week or two. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JDK and JDK
> Why didn't you use the available netscape and jdk packages? Just > pick up jdk-static, jdk-common, and netscape from non-free and try > again. That's what I did and it works beautifully! Netscape is actually in "contrib". If you're using the new libc5 and want to use Java, you'll have to wait for v3.01 to make it out of the "Incoming" directory. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Most & Netscape problem
> Also, I missed the instructions on how to get Netscape working. I'm using > 3.01, and its crapping out whenever it hits any Java. Can someone repost? Use the Debian package for Netscape 3.01. I beleive it's still in Incoming at the moment. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 bashing
> Qt forbids anybody from modifying their source code. So what > if they changed their license when they've gained enough momentum? As far as I understand it, you can release code with a new licence, but you cannot change the licence on released code. Thus, if they changed their licence we would be stuck with the older code. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bo, rex?
> why there is bo in the ftp site? Is it the same as rex? Rex has been frozen so only bug fixes are going there. It should be released as stable in a couple weeks. Bo is the new unstable tree. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Give others some insight into YOUR pages! http://www.verisim.com/insite/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X11 bashing and "freeness"
> > I strongly doubt that KDE has the momentum to succeed. It's based on > > Qt, which is a proprietary standard. Granted the implementation is > > delivered 'free for noncommercial use', but I don't see that as a > > significant difference. It's still a proprietary toolkit, which will > > keep the GNU crowd disinterested, as well as making it inappropriate > > for Debian proper. > > In contrast to motif Qt is fully C++ OO. > Qt comes with source. Any gpled sw can be distributed with soure or binary > of Qt. > Just building proprietary sw without source.. cost money. > So it is really free and can be well used for gpled sw. No, it's not "free"! You are not free to use it every way you wish. There are significant restrictions (namely that it can only be used without-monetary-cost with other without-monetary-cost software). Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- This message was distributed manually by [EMAIL PROTECTED] after the list initially failed to distribute it.
Re: dpkg-ftp won't upgrade CGI-modules
> For 3 or 4 days, I've had CGI-modules marked for upgrade in dselect: > > *** Opt net CGI-modules 2.75-4 2.75-5 modules for perl5, for > us > > And yet dpkg-ftp doesn't even try to upgrade it: > > Is this a bug in dpkg-ftp? Or is this a case problem? The file on the > ftp site is named "cgi-modules_2.75-5.deb". That would be because there is no "CGI-modules". There is only "cgi-modules". You'll have to update this one by hand, it seems. I believe that CGI-modules was the last of the packages with uppercase letters so this should not be a problem after this. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- if you have a 50% chance of guessing right,you will guess wrong 75% of the time -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: default window size for netscape?
> does anyone know how i can set the default window size for netscape? I start netscape like this: netscape -geometry 1137x990+3840+1024 -ncols 64 Every new window it starts has those dimensions. The large offsets cause it to come up in a different virtual desktop since the above command is run in my .xsession. The offsets have no effect on additional windows. You can probably also add some lines like: Netscape*geometry: 1137x990 to you .Xresources file. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
efax no longer supports "fax view -l ..."
The new version of efax (08a-1) no longer accepts the "-l" flag for the 'view' and 'print' commands. If I try to do anything with the faxes I have (all received by the older 07a version) everything gets compressed onto the top of the page. Is there any way I can fix this, or is it a bug? Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hint: slow Netscape
> I recently wondered why my Netscape is so slow to start. I found that > some Debian packages adds entries to /etc/mailcap many times and > Netscape is *very slow* in processing them. You can find out what has installed itself into /etc/mailcap by running the command: install-mime --list Netscape is slow because it runs all the test conditions at startup. It runs them incorrectly, too, thus causing many of the test conditions to fail. > I do not know yet the fundamental problem but I guess that I am not the > only one. If your Netscape is even slower than you could expect, check > the file. There should be just one copy of each lines. And Netscape is > still faster if you remove lines you do not think to use. Removing them from /etc/mailcap is not a solution. The next time a package installs itself there, that file will be regenerated with all the lines intact. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netscape 3.01 libc5_5.4.7 crashes
> > libc5_5.4.7-7 will be in the archive soon, and it includes the older > > malloc as a seperate library for buggy software like netscape. You'll > > be able to run netscape like this: > > > > LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libgnumalloc.so netscape > > > > and java apps will work. > > > > The path might might not be correct above, but /usr/doc/libc5/FAQ.gz > > will contain details. > > So would the netscape maintainer *please* release a new netscape package > with a script named netscape that does the above? It's on my list of things to do. It should get done this weekend. (The latest libc5 hasn't made it to my mirror yet.) Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Want to get it together? We can help! http://www.verisim.com/coordinator/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian 1.2 & Xfree 3.2
> Xfree 3.2 is out, and I just noticed that there was a code > freeze for Debian 1.2. So, is there any plan for including Xfree 3.2 > in Debian 1.2 ? Xfree 3.2 is too big of a change to get done by Debian 1.2. Expect it standard in "unstable" and the next "stable" release. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keyboard mess
> Run xkeycaps with its output redirected to a file called Xmodmap.new. > Change the mapping of the BS key to mean 'Backspace' rather than 'Delete' > and then write all of the keys out. I then take this Xmodmap.new file > and move it to /etc/X11/Xmodmap. This works fine for all the > applications I have tried so far but I am not really sure of the > potential negative consequences. Have you tried emacs (both as its own window and under an xterm)? I know I used to have problems with it because it maps ^H to "help" (kinda dumb, in my opinion). Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keyboard mess
> > Netscape runs _fine_ if you use the Debian installer package! Actually, > > all you really need to do is point it to the existing XKeySymDB file. > > People have kept saying this and everyone assumes that the person asking > knows how to point Netscape to XKeySymDB. First of all, I tried using > dselect to install Netscape. Unfortunately, it insists on having version > 3.0-beta4-1 and the only version I could get off of netscape was > 3.01-beta1. The 3.0 version of the netscape installer has been in contrib since August 23rd. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Debian GNU/Linux! Search it at http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keyboard mess
> > Netscape runs _fine_ if you use the Debian installer package! Actually, > > all you really need to do is point it to the existing XKeySymDB file. > > > > This probably the case for other Motif apps, too. > > And how can we do this? The netscape package is available under contrib. To use the existing XKeysymDB file, either compile the app with the correct directory or set the env var: csh:setenv XKEYSYMDB /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB bash: set XKEYSYMDB="/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XKeysymDB"; export XKEYSYMDB Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Debian GNU/Linux! Search it at http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keyboard mess
> > I am using the latest version of Debian (brand new system installed > > yesterday). Is there something to be done to properly set up X? > > I found that Debian/XFree86/whoever by default maps both the BS and Del > keys to , which is irritating with Netscape and when logging in on > other computers. > Netscape's problems are partially solved by overriding the key > function to in /etc/X11/Xresources.. however, still sending a > when I want to go over the line... AR!!! Netscape runs _fine_ if you use the Debian installer package! Actually, all you really need to do is point it to the existing XKeySymDB file. This probably the case for other Motif apps, too. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is there a .deb package for Netscape ?
> sun\bject line pretty much says it all. I like the debian > install mechanisim! There is a netscape installer for v3.0 under "contrib". You will still need the original archive from Netscape, though. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keyboard with X
> I tried LyX and sometimes run Netscape, and they show the same problem : > when trying to erase a character with backspace, the current character is > erased instead of the preceding. ( just as DEL does in a Microsoft > environment). It's very disturbing, and other apps don't have this > problem (they treat both DEL and Backspace as 'backspace' ). Did you install netscape using the Debian package or by hand? Using the Debian package I have no problems. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Give others some insight into YOUR pages! http://www.verisim.com/insite/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: does libc5.4.7 belong in Rex
> > So, I think libc 5.4.7 should be removed from rex and downgrade to 5.2.x. > > Thats the point of REX isn't it? to be the latest of the stuff... if you > upgrade, and RECOMPILE against that libc5, your problems will go away. > I have had NO PROBLEMS with that version! None! You must be running > programs that were compiled against it This means upgraded a lot of > things, and recompiling pieces here and there.. No it isn't. Rex is intended to be release 1.2 of Debian. "Unstable" is the latest stuff and will be pointing to "bo" in the near future. Because of the problems that have been claimed against the new libc5, I don't see any reason to include it in Debian 1.2. There isn't time to force everyone to recompile for that release. That can take place in "bo". Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netscape and debian
> There recently has been a flurry of messages on netscape > problems with debian. Much of it was contradictory. > Becoming concerned, I tried installing netscape 3.0 and > 3.01b1 with libc5 5.2.18 and received "Bus error" when > trying to run. This was with both a hand installation and > the debian package in contrib. > > Can someone in the know summarize the situation with > netscape and outline what one needs to use netscape? I user netscape 3.0 all the time with libc5 5.2.18 and have very few problems. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Debian GNU/Linux! Search it at http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sendfax keeps getting rejected
> I'm trying to send faxes via either efax or mgetty's sendfax with no > success. > > I started by using efax's "efix" to generate some group-3 files. Once upon > a time efax would try to send them... now it isn't even able to dial. You don't need to call "efix". The "fax" script will do it for you. Try:fax send 123-4567 file.txt You can also fax a postscript file this way. The "fax" script will run it through ghostscript first. If you prefer to convert your files to group-3 files first, you can use: fax make file.txt fax send file.txt.* Note that while "fax send ..." will accept multiple filenames on the line, "fax make ..." will only accept one. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: does libc5.4.7 compatible with netscape 3.0
> Once I upgrade libc to 5.4.7-1, netscape cannot run and it said > bus error. Then I downgrade to 5.2.18, netscape runs again. > > Is it a bug? Yes, but it is a bug with netscape. You should report this directly to netscape and tell them to compile against a later version of libc. You can do this directly from netscape by selecting "How to give feedback" under the "Help" menu. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian installation in a bigger network
> We plan to install the debian distribution in the whole network. I was > looking for a master installation script to run the installation > process automatically from a nfs mounted directory or via ftp. Are > there any solutions for that. We maintain a small network of Debian machines here, but have no master install script. We just run 'dftp' on each and select the packages we want. I suppose that if all machines had identical packages, you could just run 'dftp' once and then copy the ".selected" file around to each machine (or share it somehow) and call 'dftp --unpack'. > We want to keep the computers also all together at the same > installation level with rdist. But what about the specific directories > /etc? Whe where thinking of installing one master debian system and to > distribute new installed software over night to the other systems, so > that on the other day all systems are again on the same level. As I > said, installing new software can also install files in /ets and > distributing /etc to the slave systems isn't a good idea. To manage config files and the like, we use "cfengine". It takes a while to get the hang of and set up properly, but once done it really is a life saver. To build a new machine, we install the desired packages, edit the /etc/cron.daily/cfengine file to turn on CVS, and then run that script. Voila! We have another fully configured system that exactly matches all the others. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Netscape? 3B4?
> Hi, I noticed that the .deb in rex is for 3B4 Is that what people are > running today? Will that deb (which requires you to download netscape) work > with other releases? The primary site has not netscape packages under "rex". There is a package for netscape-3.0 under "contrib". Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linuxconf or something like?
> I was wondering if I could use Linuxconf on a Debian system? If not, > please explain. I think as new user, it would be nice to have admin. > tool to control most of system config. in one setting.:-) "cfengine" is nice if managing a network. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.01. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Glimpse search?
> Is it common knowledge that the search engine isn't working on > www.debian.org? You can search the Debian site at: http://insite.verisim.com/search/Debian/simple This does not include the archives, though. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- It's not the days in your life, but the life in your days that counts. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 versions of some packages
> > Well, I'm not sure that installing the most recent one is the right > > answer. Take ghostscript for example. There's the GNU version in > > .../text and the Aladdin version in .../non-free. Now the GNU version > > should always be <= the Aladdin version since GNU repackages the > > Aladdin version after it's been out for a while. People who want an > > all free software machine may prefer the GNU version even if it's > > older. > > If they do want that, they just don't select the non-free one. Then the > GNU version will get installed. Or even easier, if they want just free > software, they don't select the non-free section and then they never even > *see* the non-free ghostscript 4.01. Right. This is exactly what 'dftp' allows. It brings up all packages that it finds and allows the user to choose what to do. If 'dftp' brings up two instances of ghostscript, the user just selects one and/or deselects the other. > > I think that it might make more sense to just disallow two packages > > with the same name in a given Debian package tree. In this case I > > think we should have a virtual ghostscript package provided by both > > gs-aladdin and gs-gnu, or whatever. Then no one gets confused about > > what you mean. > > Huh? By 'given package tree' you mean 'non-free' vs 'stable/unstable' vs > 'contrib', don't you? Then there is no problem. because ghostscript 4.01 > is in non-free and ghostscript 3.something in in unstable. I agree. As long as dpkg will never install more than over version of a given package (it would at one point), the current solution is fine. > I still don't see a problem... Unless the problem is that dftp makes no > distinction between the different sections (i.e. doesn't allow people to > distinguish between non-free, unstable and contrib)... but that would be a > problem with dftp, IMO. It does make the distinction, though it may not be immediately obvious. Because the full path to the package is listed, the first component of that path is the distribution under which it was found (i.e. stable, unstable, contrib, non-free). Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: msql doesn't start when I boot
> I installed the msql package and it tries to start itself from a script > called "run-msqld" in /usr/sbin. The script runs msqld, waits for > it to exit, mails a crash report to "msql" and then waits 15 seconds > before trying to spawn it again. > > Well, ever since I installed it, it's been filling my /var/spool/mail > with crash reports. It seems that, every 15 seconds, msqld fails another > attempt to bind to its port at 4333. (Yes, I've checked /etc/services and > /etc/inetd.conf... nothings using that port). > > Funny thing is: if I kill "run-msqld" and then re-run it (as root), > msqld comes up just fine. > > Any ideas? I figure this must be happening to some other folks since this > happened to me *right* out of the box. I didn't tweak anything. I've had problems with 'msqld' not starting due to permission and ownership problems on the various msql directories. Perhaps running it as root avoids those problems. I believe it runs as 'msql' when started at bootup. Try purging the package and then manually deleting all directories that dpkg couldn't. Sometimes there are extra files around that don't allow directories to be removed, and if they are not deleted then the re-install won't change the permissions/ownership. Then, re-install it from scratch. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Give others some insight into YOUR pages! http://www.verisim.com/insite/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: netscape
> I selected netscape package in dselect and put netscape-v30tar.gz. Where did you put the .tar.gz archive? > But it still doesn't work!! What exactly did the Netscape package say when you tried to install it? > I decompressed manually but when i type netscape in the directory, it > does not find the application whereas it is in. Try "./netscape". This isn't how you want to run it, though. > Any suggestion? Capture the output from dpkg --install netscape-3.0-1.deb and include it in your next email. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- measure with micrometer, mark with chalk, cut with axe, hope like hell -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pine+netscape
> > When i select my packages, i do pine+netscape. > > Pine (and I believe Netscape) are in the non-free section. Unless you have > downloaded this section from one of the mirrors, it is not likely to be on > any CDs. Plus, with netscape, you will only get an installation program. > You will need to download a copy of the tar.gz archive from netscape (and > I believe place it in tmp) so that the debian netscape package can install > it. The Netscape installer is actually in contrib. The actually Netscape binaries must be downloaded directly from Netscape. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Generated by Signify v1.00. For this and more, visit http://www.verisim.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: rescue disk set
> Last night, my aging micropolis 1.5 gig drive decided to scramble itself. > "Self," I think, "Just boot up off the boot and root disks, and fsck the > root partition back into order." A noble thought, but to my utter dismay, > I found out that the boot/root set doesn *not* have fsck on it! Does > anyone have a rescue-type boot set that can be incorporated into > the Debian distribution? I actually had to install the base floppy > set onto a little used partition on another drive, and then boot > off that to get fsck. Found that the root inode is gone due to sectors > 0,1,2, and 3 being NFG.. time to re-lowlevel and pray... I was just thinking the same the other day. I have some scripts that created a 3-disk set (boot, root, & utils) to do just this, but they were from when I originally installed Debian 0.93 and I'm _sure_ they would die by the 3rd line, now. Between the root & utils disk, I had tar, gzip, fsck, tcsh (yes, I like my csh), mke2fs, and all the useful stuff with libs I could cram on 2 disks. I would be happy to provide them if anyone wants to undertake such a responsibility. They need work to convert them for use with shared libs to make sure all necessary shared libs also got copied to disk. I'd have to say, though, that this ties quite closely with building base disks and would probably be best for that maintainer to take over. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- the difference between theory and practice is less in theory than in practice -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Archive, out of date web pages, Navigator 3.0, etc
> 2. My X server is not recognizing Backspace in Motif programs such as > Netscape Navigator 3.0. I grabbed the XKeysymDB from the Netscape > tar.gz file on ftp.netscape.com and diff'd it with the one in > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11 and there appear to be no relevant differences. The problem is Netscape. It does not know where those files are located. If you use the debian Netscape package, this will work okay. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- Debian GNU/Linux! Search it at http://insite.verisim.com/search/debian/simple -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mime? nslookup?
> Are there mime and nslookup packages for debian? MIME is a transmission standard for email. What MIME package are you looking for? I maintain 'mime-support' which is basically /etc/mime.types and /etc/mailcap with a support program for installing new types into mailcap. Brian ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) --- In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they're not.
