Re: problems in gnome/gdm after weekend etch upgrade
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 02:09:34PM +0200, Kai Olsen wrote: > > > >I run etch on my laptop system, and I usually do a dist-upgrade each > >weekend to keep up to date. > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't a dist-upgrade some kind of > overkill if you've already got etch installed? A normal update/upgrade > seems to be adequate... A normal upgrade will often work, but testing is a moving target, with packages being added and renamed and dependencies being changed, so a dist-upgrade is sometimes necessary to get a full upgrade. Once etch becomes 'stable', a dist-upgrade should rarely be necessary. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Debian Hint #1: You can report a bug in a package with the 'reportbug' command, which is available in the reportbug package. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Recipe for killing a Debian threads that won't die [Was: Re: [OT] Recipe for a Debian thread that won't die]
On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 08:12:29PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I haven't been putting up with OT nonsense on this list for long but > here are the postfix ingredients for killing a thread that people won't > let die. Can anyone think of ingredients for other MTAs? I don't know about sendmail which I use, but I would do it in procmail, that way it's a) user specific and b) MTA independant > Ingredients: > > 1. Add "header_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/header_checks.pcre" to main.cf > 2. add to header_checks.pcre (eg: "/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ DISCARD") > other ingredients may be substituted (eg subjects or REJECT instead of > DISCARD) > 3. /etc/init.d/postfix restart I would check against the subject, since good contributors sometimes participate in these threads (there are several in the 'OT politics...') and you're protected if someone new joins in. > Check /var/log/mail.log if things aren't cooking right. Always a good idea. Also should backup mail until you know your rule is working correctly. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Pardon me, but do you know what it means to be TRULY ONE with your BOOTH! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 11:23:57PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:41:47PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > > > >>You're also pricing against a limited market. If the market were more > >>open then prices would fall as more would enter the market. On the flip > >>side > >>if the parents aren't paying for public schooling via taxes one would > >>presume > >>the money they save there could be applied to private schooling? > > > > It could be, but a more salient question might be, would it be applied > > to private schooling? There are people I know who despite the evidence > > they should, don't spend in retirement funds, etc., and probably would > > buy an extra case of beer instead of paying their kid's tuition. > > > So what? Repeat after me, "the government is not a babysitter." Now, > repeat that until you believe it. Seriously. This is the same reason > why I believe we should abolish social security. Besides, there are > people who now go out and buy lottery tickets or another case of beer, > rather than food for their children. IMHO, that is more reprehensible. > The point is, that people will be people, no matter what. Agreed, that is more reprehensible. As for the rest (and the rest of the thread), I see that we are at an impasse, and so I will stop pretending I can change your views and hope the reciprocal will also occur. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- All I kin say is when you finds yo'self wanderin' in a peach orchard, ya don't go lookin' for rutabagas. -- Kingfish -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 10:16:04PM -0400, Curt Howland wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Saturday 29 April 2006 21:43, Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: > > That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for > > no cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent > > teaching, there is no way I can support abolishing public schools. > > "for no cost, send my children..."? > > For no cost. > > This is the economics taught in public school? By teachers who must be > paid, in buildings that must be maintained, on busses that must be > fueled? "NO COST"??? > > Let me guess, you vote too. "Let's see, which one promises to give me > something for nothing? Ah! He gets my vote!" I admit, I made a misjudging--for the *same amount* I'll pay in education taxes over my life. But there's another point. I'm paying those taxes my entire working life, which I sure hope is longer than 12 years that my children will go through public school! -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A private sin is not so prejudicial in the world as a public indecency. -- Miguel de Cervantes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:41:47PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > The same reason you should pay taxes for roads you don't drive > > on--because at all stages of life having an educated workforce benifits > > you, just as it benifits you for people (eg utility companies) to drive > > on roads you particularly don't use. Or would you rather not pay your > > doctor to pass high school anatomy and biology? > > That's all well and good except for one problem. I can tell when the > roads aren't working. My suspension goes to hell. I can convince other > people of the same by pointing to my crappy suspension. > > I also can tell when the public school system isn't working. But help me > if I try to convince others of that! The key word here is an educated public > is a benefit. I do not believe that is what public schooling is offering in > the least. As one poster said they believed they are educated in spite of the > public school system. I believe the same thing. I believe I was educated through the public school system. Apparently we inherently differ on the quality of schooling that goes on, so more words would accomplish little. > > As to the free--I don't plan on having children before I can afford > > them, but that doesn't help the middle class who can't afford most > > private schools (the ones I've seen advertised aren't cheap), but > > can otherwise afford to raise children in a decent environment. Do you > > purport that you must be wealthy to raise children, or just well enough > > off? > > You're also pricing against a limited market. If the market were more > open then prices would fall as more would enter the market. On the flip side > if the parents aren't paying for public schooling via taxes one would presume > the money they save there could be applied to private schooling? It could be, but a more salient question might be, would it be applied to private schooling? There are people I know who despite the evidence they should, don't spend in retirement funds, etc., and probably would buy an extra case of beer instead of paying their kid's tuition. > BTW, just curious, have you compared private schooling to public schooling > when it comes to cost per pupil? The last time I checked (Sacramento, late > 90s) private schooling was cheaper per pupil. I have looked at private school costs in curiosity, but never really in the cost of public schools per pupil. Care to point me to where I could find that statistic? (I'm in California now, so the same type place you looked should work) > > Sure you can. Nothing's forcing you to have your kids in public > > schools. And shopping around for a good public school district is part > > of being a responsible parent if you can't afford/don't like private > > school. > > A good public school district. Which implies one can purchase a home in a > good district. Or do you believe only the wealthy can obtain a decent > education for their children? I lived in a good public school district with cheap housing, albeit in Kentucky where everything's cheaper, but it was still not one of the more expensive places we could have lived there. > > Plus, she was blatantly violating the schools policy (based on > > the secretary of the Department of Education) that you cannot teach > > religious tenets as matters of fact in the public school system. > > Now if we could only get political beliefs out of the school system and > get back to basics. I feel like I'm missing the point, but in case it's teaching political tenets as fact: on that I think we squarely agree. I've not heard people complaining about it, but it would be equally as reprehensible as religion -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A memorandum is written not to inform the reader, but to protect the writer.-- Dean Acheson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:09:01PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for no > > cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent teaching, > > there is no way I can support abolishing public schools. And if you can > > gaurantee that, where does the line between public and private come? > > Uh, why such a high bar? It's like you're getting public schooling for > free. They cost in taxes. You, supposedly, pay taxes. Some of the worst > public schools are also some of the most highly funded public schools. IE, > the most costly. Okay, a 100% secular school with decent teaching for the same amount I'm putting into education taxes. Onto the subject of the worst public schools--that should be answered by: a) shopping around for your public school. The student base disappears, the school disappears. _every_ surrounding school is unlikely to be such poor quality. b) a standards group that would ensure a school gets up to code, or reassignment or dismissal of amdinistration or teachers responsible occurs b1) federalizing schools so such a group can operate effectively c) proper education of teachers and administration -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Ok, I'm just uploading the new version of the kernel, v1.3.33, also known as "the buggiest kernel ever".-- Linus Torvalds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 09:43:35PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:02:30PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > > >>Mumia W wrote: > >> > >>>[somebody] wrote: > >>> > >>>>And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too! > >>> > >>> > >>>Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. > >>> > >> > >>As was I. That is exactly the reason why none of my children will > >>*ever* go to a public school. I like to think that I am succeeding in > >>life *in spite* of the fact that I went to public school. > > > > > > That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for no > > cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent teaching, > > there is no way I can support abolishing public schools. And if you can > > gaurantee that, where does the line between public and private come? > > > Umm. You do realize that not all private schools are Christian, > correct? There are Jewish, Muslim, and yes even secular private > schools. If there are not enough secular private schools now, I'm sure > that a market would open up for them if public education was abolished. I do realise that not all private schools are religious, but it seems that the minority are secular, and I am of the opinion that it is important that a child have the option to go to a secular school. I also know that none of the private schools in the county I grew up in in Kentucky were secular, which is why I raised the issue. > Besides, why is it my job to *guarantee* that you can send your children > to school for free? If you can't afford to raise them, then don't have > them. Really, why should I pay taxes for education my entire life when > kids only go to school for 12-16 years? The same reason you should pay taxes for roads you don't drive on--because at all stages of life having an educated workforce benifits you, just as it benifits you for people (eg utility companies) to drive on roads you particularly don't use. Or would you rather not pay your doctor to pass high school anatomy and biology? As to the free--I don't plan on having children before I can afford them, but that doesn't help the middle class who can't afford most private schools (the ones I've seen advertised aren't cheap), but can otherwise afford to raise children in a decent environment. Do you purport that you must be wealthy to raise children, or just well enough off? > Besides, my contempt of public education has little to do with my > religious beliefs and more to do with the utterly dismal quality of them. > > > And yes, I had a nearly 100% secular learning experience, and we got the > > one temp for was trying to preach at us disinvited to return; my > > teaching was more than adequate prep for college; those aren't > > unreasonable demands. > > > Ah. So you want a venue where you as a student can get a teacher > disinvited to return. That is exactly the kind of thing I am talking > about with public education. The kids basically run the schools. Not > to say that this doesn't happen in expensive prep schools either, but > that is the beauty of private education. I can take my kids and dollars > to another school. I can't do that in the public school system. Sure you can. Nothing's forcing you to have your kids in public schools. And shopping around for a good public school district is part of being a responsible parent if you can't afford/don't like private school. Plus, she was blatantly violating the schools policy (based on the secretary of the Department of Education) that you cannot teach religious tenets as matters of fact in the public school system. > > > > > >>>>Income taxes, hell yes. Consumption taxes levied equally upon > >>>>all? No. > >>>> > >>> > >>>Consumption taxes are a regressive (targeting the poor) idea that the > >>>Right Wing has touted for years. > >>> > >> > >>For an example of a consumption tax that is super-advantageous to the > >>poor, please go review the FiarTax. > > > > > > It's a very interesting idea (I just read a brief on it). It would be > > interesting to see it at work, I'm not sure if people would look at the > > 23% sales tax and balk at buying any luxuries, though. But then I don't > > know much about tax systems besides that I put money in and file for a > > refund the beginning of the next year, so take my thoughts for what you >
Re: OT: Politics [Was:Social Contract]
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 07:02:30PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > Mumia W wrote: > > [somebody] wrote: > >> > >> And public schools are doing such a fine job of educating, too! > > > > > > Yes, they are. I was educated in a public school. > > > As was I. That is exactly the reason why none of my children will > *ever* go to a public school. I like to think that I am succeeding in > life *in spite* of the fact that I went to public school. That's your right, but unless you can *gaurantee* that I can, for no cost, send my children to a 100% secular school with decent teaching, there is no way I can support abolishing public schools. And if you can gaurantee that, where does the line between public and private come? And yes, I had a nearly 100% secular learning experience, and we got the one temp for was trying to preach at us disinvited to return; my teaching was more than adequate prep for college; those aren't unreasonable demands. > >> Income taxes, hell yes. Consumption taxes levied equally upon > >> all? No. > >> > > > > Consumption taxes are a regressive (targeting the poor) idea that the > > Right Wing has touted for years. > > > > For an example of a consumption tax that is super-advantageous to the > poor, please go review the FiarTax. It's a very interesting idea (I just read a brief on it). It would be interesting to see it at work, I'm not sure if people would look at the 23% sales tax and balk at buying any luxuries, though. But then I don't know much about tax systems besides that I put money in and file for a refund the beginning of the next year, so take my thoughts for what you will... -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- If you want to see card tricks, you have to expect to take cards. -- Harry Blackstone -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: etch and several problems
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 02:44:51AM +0300, Andrius A__trauskas wrote: > (I also deleted normal user account and directory and created it again > before editing xorg.conf - don't know if it's necessary). That should rarely be necessary to get something working, but creating a new user and trying the same action with it can be a useful diagnostic to spot config problems and permissions errors. You don't usually want to completely get rid of your home, as all sorts of things get stored there, often things like email, in addition to your config files; and that way you're not really sure which config file caused the problem, so it will be harder to fix if it comes along again. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You tread upon my patience. -- William Shakespeare, "Henry IV" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Contract
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 01:40:44PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > With Free software, you have the right to modify, pass along code, fork, > > distribute, and feed upstream. The only restriction on those rights is > > that with GPL and similiar you grant them to others. > > And there's the rub, innit. The only restriction means that you must > follow a certain set of rules and not deviate. Doesn't that sound exactly > like a closed license. You must follow the rules they set out and not > deviate. I'm going to quit arguing here, since we're not going to agree and I'm not a lawyer anyhow. > Besides, free software isn't the GPL. I realise that, which is why I stipulated 'with GPL and similiar' as opposed to 'with Free software'. > GPL is but one license and the most > restrictive. If people are looking for truly free software and a license to > go with it I encourage them (Hi Mike!) to look at the BSD license. Here's the > short form. You use it, cite my copyright and name in your documentation. > Y'know, that doesn't seem so bad compared to "do what you want provided you do > exactly as I did." My biggest problem with BSD-style licenses is that someone can take your work, use it, and then restrict other's access to their improvements. When I work for a company as a programmer, I'll have to live with it or choose another field, but when I'll write something for the community I want it and it's descendants to stay Free. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- There are two types of people in this world, good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours much more. -- Woody Allen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Contract
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 03:18:57PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > >You are looking at this incorrectly. The FSF isn't against anyone > >making money. There are many ways to make money on software that does > >NOT involve using a proprietary license. > > Umm, do you presume to speak for the FSF? In private e-mail back in > 1986 or so I discussed Richard Stallman's goals with him, and his > goal, AIUI, is that people should *not* make money off of writing > software. If I understand him properly, he disbelieves in any form > of intellectual property. But, since he lives in a world which is > not to his liking, he uses the intellectual property laws to try to > reshape it as closely as he can to a world where people cannot > make money merely by writing and selling software. I would just like to point out that, while I don't know Stallman's motives, the FSF has an article explaining why selling free software is okay: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/selling.html -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Frankly, Scarlett, I don't have a fix. -- Rhett Buggler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Contract
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:32:11PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > Okay. The DFSG are more supportive of developer's rights. > > Again, not true. How exactly is a developer who releases under a non-DSFG > license somehow lower on the totem pole of rights? Both protect the > developer's rights. Both describe exactly what is and is not allowed. The > only difference is what they restrict. Okay maybe I should have said, 'developers other than those who originally wrote the program' Look at it this way. With non-free software, what are your rights? You can use the software, and that's it. You are not allowed to modify it to suit your specific needs, nor are you allowed to freely distribute it. With Free software, you have the right to modify, pass along code, fork, distribute, and feed upstream. The only restriction on those rights is that with GPL and similiar you grant them to others. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "If you want to know what happens to you when you die, go look at some dead stuff." -- Dave Enyeart -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Contract
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:55:43PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Mumia W wrote: > > You know we're talking about contemporary American politics. > > Because, as we all know, this is an American list and only American > politics matter in the world. I, at least, was of the opinion that Right Wing and Left Wing were fairly ubiquitous terms, and Wikipedia does agree that they have jumped cultural and language barriers while mostly retaining their meaning. I don't have access to a more authoritative source, but it seems reasonable enough. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A "No" uttered from deepest conviction is better and greater than a "Yes" merely uttered to please, or what is worse, to avoid trouble. -- Mahatma Gandhi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Contract
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:53:25PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > So you are most definately Right Wing, as the DFSG, > > which support personal rights; changing the way 'traditional software' > > is developed; and is not business-associated; scares and irks you so > > greatly. > > DFSG is no more supportive of personal rights than proprietary software. Okay. The DFSG are more supportive of developer's rights. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Ninety percent of everything is crap. -- Theodore Sturgeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Contract
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:28:09PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > >On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:47:38PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > > > >>Mumia W wrote: > > > > > > > >>>That's it! You've quite certainly identified yourself as a member of the > >>>Right Wing. You associate all attempts of people to resist the power of > >> > >>I am not a Right Winger. I am not any sort of Socialist. The terms > >>"Left Wing" and "Right Wing" originate in the French Legislature, > >>where the two wings of the Socialist Parties sat in the left and > >>right wings of the building. Since I am not a Socialist, I am > >>neither Left Wing, nor Right Wing. > > > > > >I'll wager that you know what Mumia meant, but in case you're only > > Well, I'm not certain I fully understand what he meant, except > that for him the term "Right Wing" seems to indicate someone with > reprehensible beliefs, atttitudes, or actions. Certainly not someone > he choses to associate with. To some Right Wing is inherently associated with the likes of fascism and Nazism, which isn't true, just for others, Left Wing is inherently associately with Stalinism. > >political grounding is historical--Right Wing is those who favour status > >quo and business' rights and capitalism and often restrictions on > >personal rights. So you are most definately Right Wing, as the DFSG, > > Umm. Not by my understanding of the term. But even by what you write > here, I'm not "Right Wing". I don't favor status quo. I do favor > capitalism. I do not favor restrictions on personal rights. I don't > know what "business' rights" means. Businesses are associations of > people. They don't have any existence apart from the people who > constitute them. Businesses (I suppose you mean "corporations") as > "persons" are legal fictions, and have no rights, only privileges. > The people who constitute the businesses have rights. So I don't see > how I can favor what I don't believe exists. Okay, I probably should not have presumed too much knowledge of your potitical/economic beliefs, but the posts you made indicated the above to me, which is what I was basing it on. > >which support personal rights; changing the way 'traditional software' > >is developed; and is not business-associated; scares and irks you so > >greatly. And, according to Wikipedia, the original Right Wingers > > It frightens me not a bit, nor does it irk me. Usually, anger is a > secondary reaction to fear. I see that Mumia appears to be angry. > I wonder what he fears? I'm certainly not angry nor fearful. I didn't mean irk in the sense of 'to anger' but rather in the sense of 'to annoy'. > I am concerned sometimes by the lack of QA I see on releases of various > distributions of Linux. Debian seems somewhat better than others on > this score. That's one reason I have recommended it to others > who wish to load some version of Linux on their machines. QA policies > and procedures are a consideration for me. It is in this sense > that I don't like some of the ways I see "non traditional" development > taking place. But companies like MicroSoft also don't understand > how to do proper QA, either, so that's not a peculiar objection > to Debian or any other Linux distro. I think that's a product of the "There's never enough time to do it right, but there's always enough time to do it over" philosophy, which is contrary to Debian's 'release it when it's ready' idea. But QA, while important, wasn't what I understood the issue here to be. Maybe I was wrong. > >weren't Socialists, but rather Monarchists. Take that for what you > >will. > > I'm certainly not a Monarchist. Okay, maybe I wasn't clear on that, my "take that for what you will" applied to the rest of the statement. I wasn't meaning to call you a Monarchist by that statement--Wikipedia goes so far as to say that definition is obselete. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "I'd love to go out with you, but I've been scheduled for a karma transplant." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Social Contract
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:47:38PM -0500, Mike McCarty wrote: > Mumia W wrote: > >That's it! You've quite certainly identified yourself as a member of the > >Right Wing. You associate all attempts of people to resist the power of > > I am not a Right Winger. I am not any sort of Socialist. The terms > "Left Wing" and "Right Wing" originate in the French Legislature, > where the two wings of the Socialist Parties sat in the left and > right wings of the building. Since I am not a Socialist, I am > neither Left Wing, nor Right Wing. I'll wager that you know what Mumia meant, but in case you're only political grounding is historical--Right Wing is those who favour status quo and business' rights and capitalism and often restrictions on personal rights. So you are most definately Right Wing, as the DFSG, which support personal rights; changing the way 'traditional software' is developed; and is not business-associated; scares and irks you so greatly. And, according to Wikipedia, the original Right Wingers weren't Socialists, but rather Monarchists. Take that for what you will. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The clothes have no emperor. -- C. A. R. Hoare, commenting on ADA. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail (package) for testing
On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 07:58:08PM +0200, lee wrote: > Hi, > > searching for a package providing fetchmail for testing didn't show up > any packages. What's the way to go? Checking packages.debian.org confirms this. > + use a replacement like getmail4 This will work if you have to get mail now (likely) > + try installing the version from stable This may or may not work, it doesn't seem to have any explicit version number depends, but I can't gaurantee the packages in testing are named the same. > + wait for a version for testing There is one in unstable, so if you can wait (unlikely) this may be the best option. > + get the source and compile myselfe This will work, but I'd use the tools to build a debian package (sorry, I don't have the URL for a how-to) so when a higher version comes along, you get it automatically. (I've never tried this, but it seems like it should work). > Since I had some fun to find out how to configure fetchmail to use the > correct addresses and have a working config, I don't like the idea of > using a replacement. But if fetchmail is not to be available in Debian > anymore, I'd try getmail4. Fetchmail is still available in unstable, so it should hopefully filter down to testing soon. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: Re: Debian SSH server configuration]
On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 08:15:44PM +0200, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > >When it asks you for a passphrase, hit twice - you have a null > >passphrase (which is fractionally less secure but that's probably OK.) > > Not so much "fractionally less secure" as "insecure". If the machine > containing the private key is compromised so, potentially, is every > machine that the public key has been distributed too. I gather that that's insecure, how is using 'ssh-add'? Does it cache the passphrase only for the X session or for every login? And even if it's the first, is that even marginally secure? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Sorry never means having your say to love. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gnome/KDE resources
On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 01:16:16PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: > Bill Thompson on 25/04/06 23:43, wrote: > >I have also been playing with running openbox with Gnome and KDE > >components (for example, openbox using gnome-panel with kdesktop) which > >uses less resources than any of them, but still has that "Desktop > >Environment" convenience. > > > Cool. Do you launch them just by kicking off kdesktop and gnome-panel > somewhere in the openbox config? If I were to put them somewhere, it would be in my .xsession (if I used xdm/gdm/kdm) or .xinitrc (if I used startx), right before the command "exec openbox"--at least that's how I start docker and gkrellm, I don't know if gnome-panel and kdesktop require anything else. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I thought YOU silenced the guard! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Handling apt-get, apt-cdrom, sources.list, cdroms.list
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 03:53:35PM +0200, Rodolfo Medina wrote: > Only, I'm disapponted because I'd preferred I could do without the net > when installing packages: that all I needed was there in my two DVDs. You can do the entire installation from the DVD's, but if you want to build packages yourself you need the sources. It might be a good idea to pull packages from the security archives anyway, to keep vulnerabilities patched up, at least if you plan to use that net at all. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but "That's funny ..." -- Isaac Asimov -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debootstrap fetching nonexistant packages
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 08:35:18PM +0200, Johann Hartwig Hauschild wrote: > Moin, Christopher. > Du warst folgender Meinung: > > On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:43:22PM +0200, Johann Hartwig Hauschild wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > I'm trying to install debian sarge with debootstrap. > > > The problem is: it's trying to fetch libgcrypt7 which is not in > > > debian-sarge. I tried to exclude libgcrypt7 and include libgcrypt11 but > > > then I get another error because it fails to fetch libgnutls10. If I > > > exclude that as well package-decompression fails. > > > > > > Am I doing something wrong? > > > > Is the mirror you're using up to date? I just tried to install sarge > > via debootstrap using ftp.debian.org and it picked up and installed > > libgcrypt11 automatically. I couldn't however run base-config, but > > that's a different problem. > > > I suppose so, I tried ftp.debian.org, ftp.de.debian.org and > ftp.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de ... Then I think Joey Hess is right (he certainly has the credentials to know better than I ;) and that it's probably the version of debootstrap. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A grammarian's life is always in tense. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 01:14:41PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > And if you use lilo to set up bootablility, you'd better run it *before* > you reboot; otherwise it will not be able to find the new kernel. And > the old one will have been replaced, if it's really just a bugfix of the > same kernel version. > > Anybody know about grub in this context? If you installed with grub, it sets post-install hooks to run update-grub, which does all the work for you. Not sure how to set that up if you switched from lilo to grub after install phase. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Girls who throw themselves at men, are actually taking very careful aim. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux-image package /boot/config file not re-usable for a compilation of linux-source package
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:26:39AM -0500, David McGiven wrote: > I copied the config file to the source directory > > cp /tmp/boot/config-2.6.15-1-686-smp /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 > > cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15 > > make oldconfig > > And now it asks me for HEAPS of questions. > > How is this possible ? The config file that comes with the binary package > is supposed to be from the same version as the kernel source package. Why > it asks those questions about old and new config parameters then ? I believe the answer you're looking for is in the copy command. make config expects the config to be in ./.config so your compy command should look like this: cp /tmp/boot/config-2.6.15-1-686-smp /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.15/.config Might I also suggest for when you do further editting to pare down your kernel that you install libncurses5-dev and use 'make menuconfig' rather than using just 'make config' -- there is also an xconfig target but I don't know the requirements for that (something*qt*something-dev probably). And remember when you use make-kpkg to include the '--initrd' flag if you're mostly using Debian's config. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Q: What is printed on the bottom of beer bottles in Minnesota? A: Open other end. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GNOME meta-package broken in Testing ?
On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 03:13:01PM +0530, Toufeeq Hussain wrote: > Hi, > > I'm facing this probelm in Etch. > I installed Debian(Desktop) using the Sarge CD. Migrated apt to > testing and upgraded all packages.GNOME however did not upgrade. > > I tried upgrading GNOME with : > apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment but got the following error. > > === > Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that > the package is simply not installable and a bug report against > that package should be filed. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnome-core (= 1:2.12.3) but 64 > is to be installed > Depends: evolution (>= 2.4.1) but it is > not going to be installed > E: Broken packages > > Can anyone point me to the BUG which corresponds to this probelm or a > resolution ? I don't see a corresponding bug report at: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=evolution So either it's not known, or not really a bug. Try 'apt-get install evolution' and continue going until you get to a package that says 'not installable' and report that package. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debootstrap fetching nonexistant packages
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 11:43:22PM +0200, Johann Hartwig Hauschild wrote: > Hi. > > I'm trying to install debian sarge with debootstrap. > The problem is: it's trying to fetch libgcrypt7 which is not in > debian-sarge. I tried to exclude libgcrypt7 and include libgcrypt11 but > then I get another error because it fails to fetch libgnutls10. If I > exclude that as well package-decompression fails. > > Am I doing something wrong? Is the mirror you're using up to date? I just tried to install sarge via debootstrap using ftp.debian.org and it picked up and installed libgcrypt11 automatically. I couldn't however run base-config, but that's a different problem. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Ten persons who speak make more noise than ten thousand who are silent. -- Napoleon I -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel 2.4.32 loading problem
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 02:36:12PM -0700, Aravind wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to use vanilla kernel 2.4.32 compiled Debian way based on > my current config file 'config-2.4.27-2-386' with some minor changes. > I am currently running etch with kernel 2.4.27-2-386. > > I get the following error message during the bootup of kernel 2.4.32: > VFS: Cannot open root device "hda10" or 03:0a > Please append a correct "root=" boot option > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount rootfs on 03:0a > > Seeing that I am missing an initrd image I tried making one, but it > fails with the following message: > # mkinitrd -o initrd.img 2.4.32 > /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot > open shared object file: No such file or directory > > Could someone please point me to the right direction? My system is > running just fine for everything else. Did you compile with the '--initrd' flag to 'make-kpkg'? I don't think you can build an initrd of the image if you didn't (but I could be wrong). Try that and see if it works. note: I'm not a kernel expert so I could very well be wrong. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Children aren't happy without something to ignore, And that's what parents were created for. -- Ogden Nash -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firestarter: how to auto start it?
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 10:27:28AM -0700, lmyho wrote: > > To use gksudo, do I still need to add the command line for the user in the > sudoers > file? If need, Should I add 'NOPASSWD: /etc/init.d/firestarter start' in > sudoers > for this user, or add 'NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/firestarter', or just > '/usr/sbin/firestarter' for the user? I don't know about gksudo, but as to the sudoers file, I wouldn't use the NOPASSWD tag, it would allow anyone who made his way into your account to change your firewall rules without knowing your passwd, and there are ways to break into an account without knowing the passwd. Leaving out NOPASSWD allows you an extra little bit of security, and every bit counts. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- P. Erdos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: afraid to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 10:31:23AM -0500, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote: > I'm using Sarge. > > I just did an "aptitude update," and now when I attempt to upgrade, > aptitude says that it wants to upgrade libc6 and libc6-dev. > > I know that those are pretty critical to the functioning of the system, > so I've temporarily put them on hold, and I'm not upgrading yet. Reasonable thought. > My question is "why are libc6 and libc6-dev being upgraded?" I didn't > see anything on the http://www.debian.org/security/ site suggesting that > libc6 needed to be upgraded, I just checked and you're correct, it's not there. > and I didn't change my sources.list. And as I see below it all points to sarge. > This is "stable." Things aren't upgraded unless it's a security concern > (or so I thought). Usually you're correct. It might also be that those upgrades are required for another security upgrade. I don't have a sarge box running here to check. > I'm scared to upgrade because I don't want a non-functional system, If it's made it's way into sarge it shouldn't break your system, but if you wait a day or two any problems should either pop up here or on bugs.debian.org > and > I don't want Etch or Sid. Very reasonable. > Here is my sources.list: > #deb file:///cdrom/ sarge main > > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 > (20051218)]/ unstable contrib main > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 > (20051218)]/ unstable contrib main > > > # deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib > deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free > deb ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian/ stable main contrib non-free So everything points to sarge. What version of libc6 does it want to install? You can check packages.debian.org to see if it's the version in stable or not. > PS. > It wants to upgrade perl too, and I've also put those packages on hold. Again if it's the stable version, it should be good to install. You can check on packages.debian.org -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I saw what you did and I know who you are. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: would someone shed me light on how to remove a debian pakcage?
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 08:31:55PM -0700, formless void wrote: > --- Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "Trust the Source, Luke!" > > > > > > How can I trust it without reason but with so many > doubts? > > For example the internal fact sheet of desktop-base > (0.3.15) doesn't have depends details and make one > wondering if it is authentic or pathetic. However, > the external fact sheet has got lot of depends at > > http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/desktop-base I'm just going to respond once, quickly. That page shows that desktop-base has no 'depends' only 'suggests' and 'recommends', so an 'apt-get desktop-base' for example won't install anything else by default. This 'internal fact sheet' you mentioned elsewhere I can't find anywhere in debian, so I'm just going to say: it'll work better if you don't mix Xandros and Debian! -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Television has proved that people will look at anything rather than each other. -- Ann Landers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: still learning, need a think i should?....for gnome components.
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 09:12:50AM -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: > i have gotten synaptic to update a unstable file i > needed, but it wants to remove a lot of stuff and > upgrade and install somethings but not gnome word, ark > and a few others that i think i need, a little help > here please. So are you trying to upgrade to unstable? Or simply install some unstable packages on a stable system? It makes a difference in how you go about the next step. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Absence makes the heart grow fonder. -- Sextus Aurelius -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 10:52:33PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > Did you buy it knowing you were going to use it under linux? If so, > > it's you problem. If not, the answer's simple--don't give them any more > > money and tell us, so we don't give them money until they rectify the > > situation. > > I bought it based on recommendations *on this very list* as well as > pointers *from this list* to sites that recommended it. Then you could have asked this very list for easier instructions if the ones you got were too confusing. > > No, but the driver and module source are in non-free, and this page: > > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#install > > lists 4 seperate ways to build the module, none of which seem difficult. > > Sub kernel-source for linux-headers and it should all work smoothly. > > That's the page I was referring to. "none of which seem difficult" tells > me you've never done it. Thank you for proving me right. Actually, I've done it using two of the methods quite easily, the 'make.sh' on a 2.4 kernel and 'make-kpkg' on a 2.6. 'make-kpkg' is exceptionally easy, as I mentioned other places requiring a total of 5 commands (6 if you don't start in /usr/src/) and maybe 7 minutes. unless you're running oldstable, one or the other should work for you. > > They do address their userbase--the people who want to follow the social > > contract. They also allow the most common 'non-free' things to be done > > easily. What more do you want? > > A little more pragmatism and a little less haughty zealotry. It's not zealotry. There's a reason non-free things are non-free and can't be distributed in the base install. If Debian lost its integrity, I'd be forced to find something else. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 09:28:43AM +0100, Doofus wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > >On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > > > >>Christopher Nelson wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't quote it. > >>> > >>> > >>I was referring to my only other post to this thread, namely > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > >> > >> > > > >Okay, after some searching I found it (at: > >http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060421.170836.4a9c52cc.en.html > >for the interested) and I'm afraid I cannot comment too much on it. I > >also don't know how much useful response you would get here, even if the > >post weren't buried in a thread such as this (I know the detail would be > >way over my head). Maybe sending a similar message to the install team > >(of which, by you sig in that message, I assume you are a member?) would > >prompt more interest? > > > > I can't see Joey's referenced original at lists.debian.org. > Confused... I couldn't either, which is part of why I lost context. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- When you speak to others for their own good it's advice; when they speak to you for your own good it's interference. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 10:13:34PM -0500, Kent West wrote: > I believe you misunderstand Joey's post. He's not asking for any help. > He's just pointing out to Steve Lamb that Steve has ignored his previous > post, which follows this timeline (as I recall it). Thank you Kent and Joey and Monique for pointing out my error in understanding. I apologise for the wasted bandwidth, and will endeavour to read a bit more carefully before posting! (As an aside, I think it apropos what signify generated for me, considering my folly--sometimes I think the program sentient!) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- What fools these mortals be. -- Lucius Annaeus Seneca -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:56PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't quote it. > > I was referring to my only other post to this thread, namely > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Okay, after some searching I found it (at: http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060421.170836.4a9c52cc.en.html for the interested) and I'm afraid I cannot comment too much on it. I also don't know how much useful response you would get here, even if the post weren't buried in a thread such as this (I know the detail would be way over my head). Maybe sending a similar message to the install team (of which, by you sig in that message, I assume you are a member?) would prompt more interest? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It's been a business doing pleasure with you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supported Video Cards under Free Software
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 08:06:01AM +0900, Miles Bader wrote: > "Manaen Schlabach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It seems like everyone agrees that Video card manufacturers really > > don't want to give up their 3d stuff and that seems to be the primary > > reason we can't get a "good" open source driver. > > S, sowhat exactly is in the video card drivers they're so paranoid > about? I know pretty well how modern graphics _hardware_ works, and > software, but I'm not exactly sure what's in this disputed layer. > > Obviously, the nuts and bolts of sending data to hardware (various > protocols for talking to hardware), but that's fairly uninteresting, and > it would be silly for them to feel a need to "protect" it. > > So... what's the "interesting" stuff in the driver that they're trying > to protect? Texture management? I think the 'interesting' stuff is the nuts and botls of sending data, because I think they're afraid someone will reverse-engineer their board from that info and turn around a cheaper model that does the exact same thing. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It is the business of the future to be dangerous. -- Hawkwind -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
On Sun, Apr 23, 2006 at 12:56:27AM +0100, Doofus wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > >On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 03:00:54PM -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: > > > >>also is > >>anyone familiar with wine? > > > >As a user. What's your question? If it's generally how to use it, 'wine > >'. Not all windows programs work under wine, and > >some require tinkering. > > > > How mature is wine these days? The last time I looked at it (admittedly > a long time ago) it was still a windows 3.1 emulator (when 32 bit > windows had long been released). It wasn't particularly stable either. It runs a lot of stuff written for the 32 bit windows systems now. I haven't had it in itself be unstable in awhile, just not fully support some programs. > I've never really seen the point. If windows is your thing, why not use > windows? Generally I agree with you. Some people are tied for work reasons to a Windows application or two, though, despite their preference for Free software. > I'm not trying to bait anyone here. I'd be interested to read of what > graphical windows software people out there are usefully running under a > linux roof. I've mostly used it to run my extensive collection of win98 games and the GURPS Character Builder (though the 4th edition one does not work under wine). I've also seen it used for Lotus Notes by a person whose company requires its use. Now, however, most of my gaming need is filled by nethack, so I don't use wine much anymore. But not everybody has the option, such as that person who need Lotus Notes for work. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. -- F. Dostoyevski -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: three questions about debian
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 03:00:54PM -0700, Xplicit Language wrote: > which program is used to compile Several. gcc for C code. There are others for C and other languages. > and how do you > compile a program, Depends on how it was set up and where you got it. Often as simple as 'make' 'make install' from the source directory. If there's an 'INSTALL' file in the source directory it should give sufficient info. > and how do i run apt get, 'apt-get install ' or 'apt-get remove ' To find packages to install try 'apt-cache search ' > also is > anyone familiar with wine? As a user. What's your question? If it's generally how to use it, 'wine '. Not all windows programs work under wine, and some require tinkering. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Natural laws have no pity. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 06:13:42PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Congrats on ignoring my message to this thread and contining with > semi-uselesss discussions on issues that were addressed in it, rather > than doing anything useful or interesting.. If you didn't get an answer to a question, care to bring it up again? I have no idea what post you're talking about since you didn't quote it. If you bring it up and I have knowledge, I'll try and answer it. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Keep cool. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 02:30:34PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > First, there isn't an Ethernet card Linux can't find these days, so that's > > kind of an empty argument. > > Bull, Paul. Want me to mail you the one that's useless for me since it > wasn't detected and the documentation to get it going was beyond confusing? > It's best use right now is a paper weight. Did you buy it knowing you were going to use it under linux? If so, it's you problem. If not, the answer's simple--don't give them any more money and tell us, so we don't give them money until they rectify the situation. > > Second, so you go spend five minutes on nvidia.com downloading the drivers, > > and another five to install them. Big fat hairy deal. If you're so pent > > up > > about it, why not go make your own apt-source and slap it into your own > > unofficial/non-free? > > *looks at the ATI card in his machine* > > What good will those nVidia drivers do me? Okay. :%s/nvidia/ati/g > Have you built the ATI drivers > from scratch? No, but the driver and module source are in non-free, and this page: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html#install lists 4 seperate ways to build the module, none of which seem difficult. Sub kernel-source for linux-headers and it should all work smoothly. > If you're saying 5 minutes I'm betting you're talking out your > posterior if you claim you have. It wasn't even 5 minutes the first time I > did it *following a well written, step-by-step guide on the web!* It was more > like an hour. Subsequent installs when I knew the basic process droped to, > maybe... 30 minutes. It seems you're doing something wrong then. It should take about 5 commands, and take less than 7 minutes (I just did it while writing this email). However, you can't be using xorg 7 as fglrx-driver currently depends on <6.9.99 -- but that'll be cleared up quickly. Two commands after it's built--one 'dpkg -i', one 'modprobe'. > Same drivers installed on Mepis, one mouseclick, not even 5 minutes. And > Mepis is Debian based so there's nothing there that Debian couldn't do if it > wanted to be more than a badge of pride and actually attempt to address the > userbase every once and a while. They do address their userbase--the people who want to follow the social contract. They also allow the most common 'non-free' things to be done easily. What more do you want? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Did YOU find a DIGITAL WATCH in YOUR box of VELVEETA? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian installer and automatic partition option
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 11:50:46AM +0200, Go do wrote: > > > What debian installer are you using? sarge? testing? if testing what > > date? cd or dvd or floppies? or the experimental gui installer? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > When my system boots, I can see this message: > > This is a debian etch installation CD-ROM, built on 20060304. That's what my downloaded .iso said too, so it's just fine. > Although I downloaded DVD images :-? > > > To answer other question: > > In boot prompt I only type "expert" (without "). Alright. I tried that. When you selected 'partition disks' it should have brought you to a screen that looks like this: [if you don't have a graphical browser, it says 'erase entire disk...', 'erase entire disk and use LVM...', and 'Manually edit partition table'] http://witts-end.cavein.org/~chris/img/qemu-screen.jpg On that screen you should choose the last option, 'Manually edit the partition table' If you are already on this screen: [if you don't have a graphical browser it says 'All files in one partition...', 'Seperate /home partition', and 'Seperate /home, /usr...'] http://witts-end.cavein.org/~chris/img/qemu-screen2.jpg You can select '' to choose to manually edit the partition table. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A prisoner of war is a man who tries to kill you and fails, and then asks you not to kill him. -- Sir Winston Churchill, 1952 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 01:04:09PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > There's nothing stopping you from installing nonfree software on your > > system. > > You just probably won't be able to apt-get it. Case in point: You can get > > games for Linux at WalMart for around $20 per title. > > Sure there is. We're talking about the install here. Network card not > found. Hmm, kinda hard to install if I can't get to the net to install > anything. Video card not configured, there goes games. Hm, no net, no video, > there goes Debian. Net: There are plenty of network cards supported by the debian installer, and a little research will turn up what they are. If you can get one, you find and download the cd with, for example, madwifi-source and linux-headers- and install them that way to get your network card working. Video: Usually all it takes is knowing what video card you have and what driver it uses and choosing that when you configure X. Even less research than network cards. And if it isn't supported by a driver 'vesa' will almost always work. Would you buy hardware for Windows on an i386 without checking if it was designed for an incompatible machine? Or seeing what other people's experience with it has been? Neither should you for Debian, or for any other GNU/Linux system. If you check back in the archives from earlier this month, you'll see people asking for suggestions for hardware that works under Debian, and getting kind responses. If you want your software vendor to be in bed with your hardware vendor, it's either Windows or a Mac or other proprietary system. Sorry. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- List each check separately by bank number. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installation DVDs - Questions
On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 07:31:36PM +, Carlos E. S. Mazzini wrote: > What exactlly should I do during the base-install? I'm not sure, it should set itself up. > The sources.list can't be changed later easily? It can be changed fairly easily. Point your favourite editor at '/etc/apt/sources.list' and add sources for the mirrors etc. you want. 'man sources.list' will give you a good example of how it should look. Here's an example line from mine: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Just because the message may never be received does not mean it is not worth sending. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please help
On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 11:04:36AM +0200, Mamakwa M. Sefiri wrote: > Good day > > I used this command fetchmail -u panic -a, I thought I was only going to > view emails in panic, unfortunately is deleted all the email in the > inbox. Did it delete them or simply fetch them? This incarnation seems like it would fetch all mail for the user 'panic' on the server, and should have left any other mail untouched. Are you saying it deleted all the mail in your local inbox, or your remote inbox? > Is it possible to retrieve the emails? It depends on which inbox you mean, and if your mail server saves mails in a format reachable by fetchmail. Let's start by seeing which inbox you meant. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The means-and-ends moralists, or non-doers, always end up on their ends without any means. -- Saul Alinsky -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks! Re: good anti-virus software to use?
On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 02:21:14PM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: > On 2006-04-21, Christopher Nelson penned: > > > > Do keep in mind though, that you can still get infected via insecure > > things you add on, like PHP scripts you find online and put on your > > webpage. Doesn't happen often, but something to think about. > > Or even more often, PHP scripts that you write yourself! Yes of course, but those aren't usually intentionally insecure ;) If they are, you might want to see someone about it... But I (foolishly) assumed that someone writing their own would realise the security risks. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- About the time we think we can make ends meet, somebody moves the ends. -- Herbert Hoover -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: distributions: UBUNTU vs DEBIAN
On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 03:58:20PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > > The Ubuntu guys felt that it would be cool to install GNOME without > > bothering > > the user. Both have different goals and are targetted to different users. > > Both > > decisions are good. It is an issue with defaults. > > And, of course, why there's UBUNTU and KUBUNTU. Waiting for XUBUNTU > myself. ;) Assuming you're talking XFCE, there is one: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu Not sure of it's 'doneness' though, may be alpha quality, I haven't looked at Ubuntu in awhile. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The trouble with telling a good story is that it invariably reminds the other fellow of a dull one. -- Sid Caesar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian installer and automatic partition option
On Fri, Apr 21, 2006 at 09:10:52PM +0200, Go do wrote: > Hello. > > Does debian installer permit only "automatic partition"? I want to do my own > partitions and even when I try "expert mode" the installer doesn't permit me > to do them. > > Before, I could choose how I would want to part my disk... > > I think that someone have wanted to do the installation process more easy > but... Could you help me? What debian installer are you using? sarge? testing? if testing what date? cd or dvd or floppies? or the experimental gui installer? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- When all else fails, EAT!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Thanks! Re: good anti-virus software to use?
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 10:11:26PM -0700, lmyho wrote: > Hi Paul and Linas, > > Thanks for the good to know information and nice suggestions! Makes me happy > to hear > these.;) Thanks! Hate those viruses, worms, Trojan horses and dialers, nice > to > know Debian is immune (at least a great portion) from those. :) Do keep in mind though, that you can still get infected via insecure things you add on, like PHP scripts you find online and put on your webpage. Doesn't happen often, but something to think about. Generally, if it's installed via apt though, you should get security updates very quickly. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Earth -- mother of the most beautiful women in the universe. -- Apollo, "Who Mourns for Adonais?" stardate 3468.1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems compiling (any) modules [solved]
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 06:25:56PM -0700, Christopher Nelson wrote: > However, I need the madwifi module to have network access, so I > installed linux-headers-2.6.16-1-k7 (yes, I do have a k7, so it's not > that). I ran a 'make-kpkg debian' in the > /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-1-k7 directory, and got no errors, so I > proceeded to run 'make-kpkg modules_image'. This spat out the error: > > The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h > "2.6.16-1-k7" > does not match current version: > "2.6.16" > Please correct this. > make: *** [modules_image] Error 2 > > and died. I tried deleting the madwifi directory and trying with > alsa-source, to the same end, so I don't think it's something in the > module. I got it to work by using '--append-to-version -1-k' -- I didn't take a careful enough reading of the man pages. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- People are going to scream bloody murder about that. -- Seen on linux-kernel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: updating with aptitude
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:32:38PM +, lostson wrote: > Hello > I have a laptop and a desktop machine running sarge. I would like to > update them to etch. I am thinking I have heard I can do this with > aptitude, is this possible and if so anyone got a links to a good doc? > Or can I jsut use my sources list from this machine on the other 2 and > do a apt-get update then apt-get upgrade ? Thanks. It is possible, just edit '/etc/apt/sources.list' in your favourite editor and replace all occurances of "stable" or "sarge" with either "testing" (if you want to stay with newer stuff after etch is released) or "etch" (if you want to use etch once it becomes 'stable'). Then a simple 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade' (mind the dist-) will update. Watch your updating however, there have been some changes since sarge, like xfree86 -> xorg, so prepare to reinstall some packages and deal with some brokenness. Note: there will be discussion on what's the best flavour of debian to run, once you make your choice, it's hard to go back, so consider the pros and cons. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll invite himself over for dinner.-- Calvin Keegan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: good anti-virus software to use?
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 01:30:51PM -0700, lmyho wrote: > Hello All, > > I would like to ask for advice on some good anti-virus softwares to use > on Debian. What's your primary purpose? If it's to scan mail and the occasional file, I can say that clamav works well, and can be kept up-to-date with 'clamav-freshclam'. If you use sendmail, there's 'clamav-milter', otherwise there are other methods of integrating with your mailserver, but I'm not sure how. A quick search should pull some up. I think clamav can also be made into a daemon, but I'm not certain of the details in the checks (like how often, what is checked, etc). This being debian, there are of course other options, which I'm sure will be pointed out in due time. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Excusing bad programming is a shooting offence, no matter _what_ the circumstances. -- Linus Torvalds, to the linux-kernel list -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grub-install in chroot not respected? [solved]
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 08:39:14PM +0200, Philippe De Ryck wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-19 at 18:03 -0700, Christopher Nelson wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 11:21:20PM +0100, Wackojacko wrote: > > > Christopher Nelson wrote: > > > > > >this appeared to have worked, as did subsequent 'grub-install's, but > > > >when I rebooted, I was back in my debian setup on hdb, not the one on > > > >hda. > > > > > > Just a guess but you probably have grub installed on hdb also and the > > > BIOS may be set to boot from this instead of hda. Try changing the boot > > > order in the BIOS. > > > > > > If still no success disconnect hdb and see if hda will boot. > > > > I did indeed have grub install on hdb, but the boot order in BIOS was > > correct. I tried disconnecting hdb but got "error 21". What ended up > > working for me was editting the boot stanza in grub to point to my hda > > install, then running grub-install from there. Still don't know why it > > didn't work in the chroot though, would be interested to find out. > > There has been a post a few days ago where you can find another solution > to your problem: run grub with the new root-dir as parameter (no chroot > required) > > grub-install --root-directory=new/ /dev/hdX > > this way, grub will use your "root-to-be"-directory and not the current > root directory. Thank you for pointing me to a more elegant solution. Now that you mention it, I do seem to recall seeing the post, but didn't find it when searching for answers. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Practice yourself what you preach. -- Titus Maccius Plautus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-update errors
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 09:52:25PM +, Rob Blomquist wrote: > W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org sarge Release: The following > signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: > NO_PUBKEY D5642BC86823D007 > W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.tuke.sk sarge-backports Release: The following > signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: > NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C > W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge Release: The following signatures > couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY > 07DC563D1F41B907 > W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems > > I see that I need a public key to get though these errors, but I am clueless > how to obtain and install these items. Have you gone to the sites and looked for a key? Do you have 'debian-archive-keyring' installed? That will cover official mirrors. Unofficial ones will have keys listed on their website somewhere, or you can ignore the errors and say 'y' when it asks you to install unauthenticated packages (if you trust the source). At least I think you can. An example of how to import a key can be found here: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/faq.html -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- abuse me. I'm so lame I sent a bug report to debian-devel-changes -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problems compiling (any) modules
I decided to switch from using kernel.org kernels to debian ones, as space is not an issue and I like the package management system. However, I need the madwifi module to have network access, so I installed linux-headers-2.6.16-1-k7 (yes, I do have a k7, so it's not that). I ran a 'make-kpkg debian' in the /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-1-k7 directory, and got no errors, so I proceeded to run 'make-kpkg modules_image'. This spat out the error: The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h "2.6.16-1-k7" does not match current version: "2.6.16" Please correct this. make: *** [modules_image] Error 2 and died. I tried deleting the madwifi directory and trying with alsa-source, to the same end, so I don't think it's something in the module. And, for reference, I'm not running a kernel 2.6.16, I'm currently running 2.6.17-rc1. The first line when I tried to make the modules_image was: exec debian/rules DEBIAN_REVISION=2.6.16-10.00.Custom modules_image which is, I suspect, part of the problem, but I'm not sure. I don't know the gritty details of the kernel, building the kernel and modules 'just worked' before, so I would appreciate some help in figurinig out how to solve this problem. TIA, -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- "Why can't we ever attempt to solve a problem in this country without having a 'War' on it?" -- Rich Thomson, talk.politics.misc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grub-install in chroot not respected? [solved]
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 11:21:20PM +0100, Wackojacko wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > >this appeared to have worked, as did subsequent 'grub-install's, but > >when I rebooted, I was back in my debian setup on hdb, not the one on > >hda. > > Just a guess but you probably have grub installed on hdb also and the > BIOS may be set to boot from this instead of hda. Try changing the boot > order in the BIOS. > > If still no success disconnect hdb and see if hda will boot. I did indeed have grub install on hdb, but the boot order in BIOS was correct. I tried disconnecting hdb but got "error 21". What ended up working for me was editting the boot stanza in grub to point to my hda install, then running grub-install from there. Still don't know why it didn't work in the chroot though, would be interested to find out. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Send some filthy mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
grub-install in chroot not respected?
I was trying to move all my debian stuff to one harddisk, so I created an identically sized partition to my '/' (which contains boot) and 'dd'ed my '/' partition over. I then chrooted into it successfully, everything looked okay (files had the right permissions, etc), but when I tried to run 'grub-install' with the new, changed menu.lst and /etc/fstab it gave me the error: The file /boot/grub/stage2 not read correctly I googled around for that and a couple sources suggested running in the grub shell: root (hd0,0) setup (hd0) quit this appeared to have worked, as did subsequent 'grub-install's, but when I rebooted, I was back in my debian setup on hdb, not the one on hda. I tried googling variations on 'installing grub chroot' but haven't seemed to get very far. Maybe a different search would be more fruitful, but I can't come up with better terms. Pertinent info: Debian unstable grub 0.97-7.1 linux-2.6.17-rc1 from kernel.org Any pointers would be greatly appreciated! TIA, -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Come, muse, let us sing of rats! -- From a poem by James Grainger, 1721-1767 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No fonts in Flash Player
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 07:52:08AM +0200, Benjam? Villoslada wrote: > Today I've seen that Flickr Organizr page doesn't show fonts. Seems that is > since the last xorg 7 update; only few days ago I can use Organizr. > > This workaround doesn't works: > http://macromedia.mplug.org/faq.html > #11 > > Maybe the solution is to adapt this thread to Sid: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=184028 but I'm afraid > to change too much things in xorg.conf. Some xorg expert have solved this > problem? > > (Free Debian Sid and proprietary :( flashplayer-mozilla 7.0.63.0-0.0) I'm not sure if it'll work, because I don't have flashplayer-mozilla installed so can't test flash since the xorg update, but I used to have it and needed 'gsfonts-x11' in order to see fonts. Maybe that's old advice though. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake. -- Jeannette Rankin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound configuration and mount to usb device
On Tue, Apr 18, 2006 at 12:34:44PM +0800, Rocky Ou wrote:
> Hey List,
>
> I have sarge 3.1 runing smoothly on my desktop. Yet I encountered some
> difficulties as I'm wanting more features. If any of you could give me some
> hints regarding to the following items, I would really appreciate it?
>
>1. How can I make my computer speak or sing? I mean I can see the
>small speaker icon show at the bottom right of my PC's screen(in window we
>call it task bar but i don't know how linux name it) but I can not hear any
>voice. Do I need to apt-get install a particular package to manager my
> sound
>machinism? What are their names? I do not know the model of my sound card
>but it works fine under windows XP system.
Are you using a 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? ('uname -r') If it's 2.4 you need
the alsa-modules package appropriate to your kernel. If you can't find
it tell us what kernel you have, and we can let you know the package
name. It should be alsa-modules- You'll also need
alsa-base. alsa-utils will help you configure it, and alsa-oss will
allow some older programs to output sound. Once you install alsa-utils
do an 'alsaconf' as root then an 'alsamixer'. This should set up your
sound card.
>2. How can I mount to my usb port devices? I have a MP3 player. I can
>plug into USB port and copy & paste content betwen PC's harddrive and MP3
>player. But when I switch to Debian, I do not know how to have access to
> it.
> The USB port works fine tested by plug in a usb keyboard.
Others have suggested how to work with that.
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Re: weird behavior getting source from a package
On Mon, Apr 17, 2006 at 03:05:46PM -0500, Sergio Cu?llar Vald?s wrote: > On 4/17/06, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is not a problem. > > I think, it is. Why is it a problem? > > > > A single source package can be used to make multiple binary packages. > > > > muttprint package is the source package using which ospics binary package is > > made. > > So how can I get the source of that package with apt-get ? (ospics) As he said (though perhaps indirectly), you already have it. It's included in the muttprint source. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- That's the true harbinger of spring, not crocuses or swallows returning to Capistrano, but the sound of a bat on a ball. -- Bill Veeck -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages: apache, gd, mysql...
On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 06:41:13PM -0300, BTP wrote: > Yeah, see if I go ahead and try to install "php4-mysql", I have to > install the unstable version which I wouldn't want because it will > also upgrade a lot of other packages to the unstable version. How come > I can't have mysql support with php4 and be stable??? I'm not sure why it's trying to pull in the unstable version of php4-common. But you are correct, if you do install it, you will probably have to update a lot of other packages. Do you perhaps have a backports repository in your sources.list? Or use apt-pinning? If either of those is yes, I'm afraid I don't have enough information to help you. If the answer is no, packages.debian.org shows the correct dependancies and packages available--so I can't help you there either. > So just for me to have php4 and mysql support with apache, is it worth > doing all these updates to unstable?? My system is for personal use > only as I use it for learning and experimenting purposes, but I still > wouldn't want to have a system that crashes at random. Unstable in that regard is probably a misnomer. My own computer crashes every couple days, but that's probably hardware failure/incompatabilities -- everyone else I know using unstable has 15+ day uptimes, usually only going down to replace an old kernel or add/remove hardware. What isn't a misnomer in unstable is that there is sometimes package breakage. For example, look at the recent X.org postings so many people have made. If you don't need the newest, shiniest toys or want to help test out the newest stuff (me) I'd recommend sticking with stable wherever possible. > Seems unfortunate to have to upgrade all those packages to unstable > just to get mysql support... I wish all programs would just support > postgres! >From what I've heard it's a scales better (but I haven't looked into it recently), so it probably would be worth it to urge the developers of whatever program you need to support it (or better yet, if you've the programming skills, write up a patch and send it in to them). Hope someone more knowledgable can help you, -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Contents may settle during shipment. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg upgrade: Getting twm not kde
On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 11:46:57AM -0400, Edward C. Jones wrote: > I use a PC with an AMD Athlon64 3500+ chip and Debian unstable, i386 port. > > At about 6 PM (EDT) on April 15, 2006, I used synaptic to upgrade my > system. When I enter "startx" I now get some simple window manager > instead of KDE. An article in debian-user suggested that X was using > /usr/lib/x11/xinit/xinitrc. This seems to be correct since I am getting > the three xterms and a clock mentioned in that file. Therefore I am > probably in twm. Indeed you are. > I want "startx" to start KDE. Which config file changes do I need to make? Do you have an .xinitrc ? It should say something like 'startkde' (I can't remember the exact command to put in it). If not you'll have to create it with something like that in it. > How do I exit twm? Ctrl-Alt-Backspace should almost always exit X if there's not a menu option to do so (I can't remember if there if one in twm) -- but it won't exit cleanly, so be aware of that. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- When some people discover the truth, they just can't understand why everybody isn't eager to hear it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: packages: apache, gd, mysql...
On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 01:20:00AM -0300, BTP wrote: > I tried doing an "apt-get install php4-mysql" but got the following > error message... > > --- > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > or been moved out of Incoming. > > Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that > the package is simply not installable and a bug report against > that package should be filed. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > php4-mysql: Depends: phpapi-20020918 > Depends: php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-16) but 4:4.4.0-2 is to > be installed > E: Broken packages Are you using stable, testing, or unstable? Or mixing? A quick look through the package listing shows only stable depends on that version, and that's the testing/unstable version that's to be installed. There's no bug report to the effect of what you're reporting. Have you done an 'apt-get update'? > I'm having doubts about this whole package system. I've never personally seen the packaging system broken, but occasionally packages in unstable are. 'Tis the nature of unstable. > Seems like a lot of > people are having problems with it. Most of the reports are problems with the X packages, not the packaging system. Or Xandros users who, being silly, try and mix with debian. > Wouldn't it be better if everyone > just learned how to do things from source?? Ick, then you'd have to: a) compile everything personally, taking days to install a system on old hardware and leaving small disks out in the water b) watch the website for _everything_ you have installed to monitor securtiy updates, download the new source and recompile it -- taking your service offline too long; with package management you just have to watch one place usually, if the packagers are on the ball, as debian's are > If anyone knows why this problem came up I would appreciate some > suggestions. Otherwise, I think I'm going to pursue the source > route.. A lot of people are happy with that route, but remember to watch very very carefully for security updates. I mean every day. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- The opulence of the front office door varies inversely with the fundamental solvency of the firm. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Today's disaster with xorg update
On Sun, Apr 16, 2006 at 07:39:55AM -0700, L.V.Gandhi wrote: > Anyone with working x can post the fonts they have installed. A 'dpkg -l *fonts* |grep ii' gave me: xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-encodings xfonts-scalable xfonts-utils and the fonts section of my xorg.conf: Section "Files" FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" EndSection And I have a working X right now. Hope that helps someone, -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- We are drowning in information but starved for knowledge. -- John Naisbitt, Megatrends -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Video Card
On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 01:28:09PM -0400, Manaen Schlabach wrote: > Well I am finally thinking about upgrading my tired old radeon 7500. > I know that ATI and Nvidia both have decent cards but their drivers > are completely closed. Their official drivers are completely closed, there are open-source drivers available (as you probably know). > I know and understand that companies must > protect some of their trade secrets but I would like very much to > support a graphics manufacturer who opens their specs as much as > possible to opensource and free software developers. Very noble ambitions. I'll admit that I don't know much about the openness of graphics cards because I haven't bought one since I truly made the switch to a fully linux setup. > Having said > that, what are everyones thoughts about which card that might be? At > one time it was Matrox are they still the most GNU/Linux friendly out > there or has someone else taken the lead on that? That's what I've heard, but it's probably old information. > I wouldn't mind > supporting ATi/nVidia if they at least opened up their specs on old > cards (say older than 3 years) I don't know if it's via openning of specs, but you can get 3d acceleration on an ATI Radeon 9200 or below, IIRC. I don't know about nVidia. > do they really have that much to lose > by doing so? I wouldn't think so... -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Rocky's Lemma of Innovation Prevention: Unless the results are known in advance, funding agencies will reject the proposal. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera
On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 11:44:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-04-15 at 02:45 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> > On (15/04/06 10:58), David Purton wrote:
> > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > > From: David Purton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:58:13 +0930
> > > Subject: Re: SCSI emulation of USB camera
> > > Mail-Followup-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 05:42:52PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 21:52 +0100, James Westby wrote:
> [snip]
> > > You must force the camera to use PTP mode in whatever app you are using.
> >
> > I tried that workaround and it didn't work.
> >
> > $ gphoto2 --camera "Canon Powershot S1 IS (PTP mode)" --port=usb\: -L
> >
> > *** Error ***
> > An error occurred in the io-library ('Bad parameters'): Could not
> > find USB device (vendor 0x4a9, product 0x309c). Make sure this
> > device is connected to the computer.
> > *** Error (-2: 'Bad parameters') ***
>
> Regarding the "Could not find USB device", run it as root.
And if that works, add yourself to the 'camera' group rather than
continuing to run it as root everytime you want it.
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Re: unstable XORG upgrade ..
On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 08:40:46AM -0700, L.V.Gandhi wrote: > On 4/13/06, alan bonard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, I wish to confirm reports of teething problems by recent posters. > > I'm running unstable and carried out my usual upgrade and dist-upgrade, > > noticing xserver would be removed and many xorg modules installed. > > May be foolish question? > While running sid, is it necessary to run dist-upgrade? or upgrade is > sufficient? A dist-upgrade is often necessary is unstable; as package names change and new packages are introduced, a dist-upgrade is needed to pull in the new packages. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- A man's house is his castle. -- Sir Edward Coke -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cameras.
On Fri, Apr 14, 2006 at 07:12:19PM +0800, Katipo wrote: > Hello, > > I'm looking at purchasing a digital camera, 5 - 6 MP, and looking for > recommendations, from those with positive experiences, of makes and > models they'd be prepared to recommend. I don't know if it's still on the market, but I've had good luck with my Kodak DX4530. It was immediately recognised by libgphoto2, so I didn't have to mess with setting that up, just adding myself to the 'camera' group. Very pleasant experience, though it is more of a beginner's camera (perfect for me, I'm a beginner photographer ;) so it has fewer options than some probably more professional models. It's a 5.0 megapixel camera. I'm sure later models in the DX series would be very similar. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- We don't need no education, we don't need no thought control. -- Pink Floyd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Xorg upgrade troubles - OT
On Thu, Apr 13, 2006 at 04:17:21PM +0100, George Borisov wrote: > Am I the only one who has managed to upgrade Xorg without anything > breaking (did it earlier this morning)? :-o It upgraded swimmingly on my box. I'm not doing anything strange with my configuration, though. > That said, I don't use KDE... Nor do I (GNOME either, for that matter ;) -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are a very redundant person, that's what kind of person you are. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What are the best aptitude dist-upgrade options to use with Debian Sid
On Wed, Apr 12, 2006 at 12:42:10AM +0200, Alex wrote: > I was doing a aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade and got this: > Exim4 and mutt have never been broken before and I've got the latest > gnulibtls12 installed > but aptitude says that it is not installable? and that it will remove > libgnutls12 but in order > to resolve dependencies it will keep it?? > > I don't really get aptitude's printout but it does not give me confidence to > do a dist-upgrade > although I suspect it will work just fine or? I wouldn't do a dist-upgrade right now, because these things are broken. See bug #361874: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=361874 > Of course I could choose not to upgrade at all because everything is working > just fine but what's the fun in that... > > Any recommendations on what options are useful in these situations? -f fix > broken? -f fix broken is good to know, but here I would use the 'hold' mechanism on libtasn1-2 and libtasn1-2-bin, the two packages that were updated to cause the problem. I'm not sure what aptitude's method for holding packages is (I use dselect) though the man page should be enlightening. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Go out and tell a lie that will make the whole family proud of you. -- Cadmus, to Pentheus, in "The Bacchae" by Euripides -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: udev vs. usbmgr
On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 04:20:09PM +0200, steef wrote: > hi list, > > read some disturbing and some re-assuring messages about udev which > standard is installed as part of my sarge distro, standard kernel > 2.6.8-2-386. > > who can/will give me a weighted judgement about udev version 0.05x in > comparison to packages like usbmgr and the like? For sarge you probably want udev in conjunction with hotplug -- usbmgr in unstable at least tells you to use hotplug. One note: on upgrading from to the new stable whenever it comes out, you will probably be asked to remove hotplug--udev does now what hotplug used to do. I'm using udev quite happily in debian unstable with kernel 2.6.17-rc1 and have used it since 2.6.15 when I installed this box. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It is Mr. Mellon's credo that $200,000,000 can do no wrong. Our offense consists in doubting it.-- Justice Robert H. Jackson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cd drive config
On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 07:22:47PM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: > I installed a new harddrive and moved the toshiba cd drive from hdb to hdc. > > I obviously need to reconfigure something because I'm unable to play > music cds or mount data cds. > > i changed /etc/fstab to this: > > # /etc/fstab: static file system information. > # > # > proc/proc procdefaults0 0 > /dev/hda1 / ext3defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 > /dev/hda6 /home ext3defaults0 2 > /dev/hda5 noneswapsw 0 0 > /dev/hdc/media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 ^^^ > /dev/fd0/media/floppy0 autorw,user,noauto 0 0 > #usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 > > (haven't set up the new harddrive yet). > > I tried mount /dev/cdrom and got this error msg: > > mount /dev/cdrom > mount: can't find /dev/hdb in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab ^^^ > > Can someone point me to the config mechanism for this? It looks like your /dev/cdrom points to /dev/hdb, which is _not_ in your /etc/fstab -- /dev/hdc is instead (as you said). You should make sure you want /dev/hdc then issue a 'ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom'. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I've never been drunk, but often I've been overserved. -- George Gobel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:11:27PM -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Hello, > > > >I'm very new to Linux. I've installed Debian on my PowerPC, and I'd like > >to use > >the Gnome interface. I installed Gnome, but I can't figure out how to use > >it. I still see the black and white Debian console. I've searched through > >my > >directories trying to find some file that will start Gnome, but I've found > >nothing. Do you know how I start it? > > > >Thanks > >Shawn > > > In the console, enter your login name and password. After that, at the > command prompt enter startx. If everything is configured properly, then > you should see gnome up and running. And if you want to log into GNOME by default rather than the console, 'apt-get install gdm' should set that up for you. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Let him choose out of my files, his projects to accomplish. -- Shakespeare, "Coriolanus" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading Debian 3.1 kernel from 2.4.27-2-686-smp to 2.6.8-3-686-smp, but had complications with 2.6.x kernel at Debian installer
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 04:27:16PM -0400, Yu,Glen [Ontario] wrote: > What I'm wondering now is if we upgrade to the 2.6.8-3-686-smp kernel via > apt would it have any ill effects (i.e. it can't detect any hard disks > again)? If you're willing to sacrifice your uptime, you can install the kernel via apt-get without removing the old one, and then your bootloader should give you the option of which to boot to, and if the new one doesn't work you can boot to the old one. That way you can at least check out the newer kernel. If it doesn't work, you may want to investigate building your own kernel (apt-cache search kernel-package). -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Military secrets are the most fleeting of all. -- Spock, "The Enterprise Incident", stardate 5027.4 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord + udev
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 03:57:56PM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > It might be that most users use cdrecord through the frontends, which I > never use. And those may be smart enough to do dev=help, get the > available id's, then -scanbus dev= and you will probably get > the right dev= parameter and the user never knows about it. That's a very real possibility. I use cdrecord when I record .iso's--about all I record--and only use the frontends to create an occasional audio CD, and I can say that they require far less knowledge of your hardware. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- QOTD: "Oh, no, no... I'm not beautiful. Just very, very pretty." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is it possible to simply copy the kernel from one machine to another and use it?
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 10:01:08PM +0200, Joris Huizer wrote: > Yu,Glen [Ontario] wrote: > >I was wondering if it's possible to copy the vmlinuz-x.y.z from one > >machine to another and have the other machine run properly with it. > You'll also need to copy the modules for kernel x.y.z > (/lib/modules/x.y.z )- you also assume the machines are similar enough > to be supported with the same kernel (for a distribution kernel this is > probably valid - Probably doesn't have to be said, but this also assumes the same architecture. A mips kernel would probably not work on an i386 machine (unless I'm mistaken in how generic the distribution kernels are--I build my own). -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- I have a hard time being attracted to anyone who can beat me up. -- John McGrath, Atlanta sportswriter, on women weightlifters. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lists.debian.org vs google groups
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:25:32AM +0100, Doofus wrote: > I still haven't read a reasoned case for leaving the list open for > posting to The World, subscribed or not. Because there are those who are like me before I learned how to use mutt -- they won't use pine for liscence reason, the graphical mail clients don't cut it, and/or they just plain love the interface for slrn/ and so much prefer to read the list via gmane or other mail-to-news gateway. I'd imagine you'd lose several dedicated readers if you cut off that access. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- How's the wife? Is she at home enjoying capitalism? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord + udev
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 04:11:28AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Christopher Nelson wrote: > >On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 05:29:16PM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > >Just a thought: have you tried using the device name, eg. > >dev=/dev/ ? > > > > I did, and that produces a message from cdrecord that specifying devices > is not supported. Interesting. It gives me that message, then goes about burning the disk. > This is what happened: > > 1. introducing udev brought about a change in the transport layer > identification from ATAPI:0,1,0 to ATA:1,1,0. I found this by cdrecord > dev=help and cdrevord -scanbus dev=ATA. The previously posted -scanbus > w/o dev always produced the posted result. Interesting, I'll have to try this myself to see if I can do it the "supported way". > 2. I realize that I haven't got a clue as to what cdrecord actually > does. But thank you Joerg Schilling for the code and I heard that there > are Debian issues. I haven't heard this, but it works for me so I don't follow such information too closely. > I googled and found nothing, meaning this is my problem? Perhaps, or perhaps others are suffering in silence, or perhaps there are other search terms that would bring up better results. It doesn't matter really, because you have the problem and there should be a way to fix it--and now there will be some record in google about it. Unfortunately, I'm not the one who will solve it, because I don't have an inner knowledge of cdrecord and/or udev. > > H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Last yeer I kudn't spel Engineer. Now I are won. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: downgrading a package
On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 12:48:08AM +0100, Adam Hardy wrote: > > I'm using etch / testing and I did some upgrades (to try to get the > hotsynch for my handheld working) but things went badly wrong. > > Now I'm trying to owngrade udev to 0.79 from 0.8xx but I can't get > synaptic to allow me to force the version I need. The menu option is > just greyed out. > > How can I enable that menu option ? I don't know how to use synaptic, but if you download the .deb you can do a 'dpkg -i --force-downgrade ' and it should install the downgraded version. I'm sure that before you do your next upgrade via synaptic you should be able to put the package on 'hold' in some manner to keep it from being upgraded. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Generated by Signify v1.14. For this and more, visit http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cdrecord + udev
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 05:29:16PM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Hi, > > On Sarge, before installing udev to be able to run 2.6.16 I invoked > cdrecord with dev=ATAPI:0,1,0 and all was well. > > However after udev that does not work anymore. Now cdrecord -scanbus gives: > > Linux sg driver version: 3.5.33 > Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. > scsibus0: > 0,0,0 0) 'ATA ' 'WDC WD800JD-60LU' '07.0' Disk > 0,1,0 1) * > 0,2,0 2) * > 0,3,0 3) * > 0,4,0 4) * > 0,5,0 5) * > 0,6,0 6) * > 0,7,0 7) * > > Entry 0,0,0 is the SATA drive. Where is the CDrom drive? I can mount it > and look at things on the CD. > > Anybody with udev know the answer? Just a thought: have you tried using the device name, eg. dev=/dev/ ? -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- No discipline is ever requisite to force attendance upon lectures which are really worth the attending. -- Adam Smith, "The Wealth of Nations" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wireless roaming/configuration
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 08:33:11AM -0700, Z F wrote:
> Hello Christopher
>
> Thanks a lot for your help. I thought, that wpa_supplicant is the way
> to go, but could not find anything about WEP configuration. So, thanks
> for pointing it out. With your help and several hours of hard thinking,
> I made it work (I think)
Cool, hope it stays working.
> I could not locate the description of the switches, for example what is
>
> wep_tx_keyidx=0
I'm not sure, but it was in the example so I took it for my config.
> I have only hex key not text. But what if I want to use a text string
> instead of hex?
If I understand correctly, to use a text string, you enclose it in
double-quotes ("). I don't have control over my wireless setup or I'd
give it a shot for you.
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Re: wpasupplicant_0.4.8-1 problem
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 04:33:59PM -0700, L.V.Gandhi wrote: > On 4/4/06, Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity, have you connected to an open access point? Or > > at tried? That part looks like it whould work. The only different > > thing I have in my network block is the line: > > auth_alg=SHARED > > right before my key. I don't know that would work or not. If it > > doesn't, the problem is beyond the scope of my comprehension of the > > subject, sorry. > > At present I don't have an acess to open access point. As such the > things work without wpasupplicant, I do not want to meddle with things > beyond my machine. Fair enough. > > > How wpasupplicant is started in the new scheme of things? > > > > I believe wpasupplicant is started with ifup now, instead of being > > started seperately in init.d -- but don't quote me on that, I don't have > > a very good understanding of how the new wpasupplicant works. > > > > > entry in > > > /etc/network/interfaces is sufficient? > > > > It is for me, at least. > I fell wpasupplicant is not called. Something is missing in my system > which calls wpasupplicant. Then I must apologise, but the problem is beyond the scope of my understanding. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- GIVE: Support the helpless victims of computer error. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wpasupplicant_0.4.8-1 problem
On Tue, Apr 04, 2006 at 12:53:15PM -0700, L.V.Gandhi wrote:
> On 4/3/06, Christopher Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > try making that wpa_conf a wpa-conf instead and try again. At least,
> > that's how I have it in my /etc/networking/interfaces
>
> > I'm using wpa_supplicant.conf and wep right now and it's working.
>
> My system is sid. I have ifplugd and wpasupplicant installed.
> My wlan0 connects without any problem with the following
> /etc/network/interfaces file
> lvgdell600m:/mnt/wind/software/Linux/dell_sid# cat /etc/network/interfaces
> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
>
> # The loopback network interface
> auto lo
> iface lo inet loopback
>
> # The primary network interface
> auto eth0
> iface eth0 inet dhcp
>
> # wireless interface
> auto wlan0
> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
> wireless_essid mohan
> wireless_key XX
> wireless_mode managed
> post-up ifmetric wlan0 5
So it works without wpasupplicant, good to know.
> But I thought to use wpasupplicant so that it can work, where there is
> no wep Hotspot.
> Hence I installed wpasupplicant. It was working before the new
> wpasupplicant version 0.4.8-1 installed.
I had to tweak things after upgrading wpasupplicant.
> I have also copied
> /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf.dpkg-bak file to /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf.
> I have the following /etc/network/interfaces.
> # The loopback network interface
> auto lo
> iface lo inet loopback
>
> # The primary network interface
> allow-hotplug eth0
> iface eth0 inet dhcp
>
> # wireless interface
> allow-hotplug wlan0
> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
> wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
> post-up ifmetric wlan0 5
That all looks good.
> I corrected line wpa-conf as said.
The other may work, but i have it as wpa-conf in my file.
> I am giving below /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
> lvgdell600m:/mnt/wind/software/Linux/dell_sid# cat /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf
> # Minimal /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf to associate with open
> # access points. Please see
> # /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wpa_supplicant.conf.gz for more
> # complete configuration parameters.
> #
> # Also see the other files in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/ for
> # specific configuration examples.
>
> ctrl_interface=/var/run/wpa_supplicant
> ctrl_interface_group=0
>
> eapol_version=1
> ap_scan=1
> fast_reauth=1
>
> ### Example of basic WPA-PSK secured AP
> #network={
> #ssid="ournet"
> #psk="w243sd5f324asdf5123sadf54324"
> #}
>
> # Single key Hex WEP
> network={
> ssid="mohan"
> key_mgmt=NONE
> wep_key0=XX
> wep_tx_keyidx=0
> priority=5
> }
>
> ### Associate with any open access point
> ### Scans/ESSID changes can be done with wpa_cli
> network={
> ssid=""
> key_mgmt=NONE
> }
> but still wlan0 is not getting connected.
Just out of curiosity, have you connected to an open access point? Or
at tried? That part looks like it whould work. The only different
thing I have in my network block is the line:
auth_alg=SHARED
right before my key. I don't know that would work or not. If it
doesn't, the problem is beyond the scope of my comprehension of the
subject, sorry.
> I get in log as below
> Apr 4 11:54:37 localhost ifplugd(wlan0)[4649]: client: Internet
> Software Consortium DHCP Client 2.0pl5
> Apr 4 11:54:37 localhost ifplugd(wlan0)[4649]: client: Copyright
> 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 The Internet Software Consor
> tium.
> Apr 4 11:54:37 localhost ifplugd(wlan0)[4649]: client: All rights reserved.
> Apr 4 11:54:37 localhost ifplugd(wlan0)[4649]: client: Please
> contribute if you find this software useful.
> Apr 4 11:54:37 localhost ifplugd(wlan0)[4649]: client: For info,
> please visit http://www.isc.org/dhcp-contrib.html
> Apr 4 11:54:38 localhost dhclient: Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:90:4b:1b:5a:b7
> Apr 4 11:54:38 localhost dhclient: Sending on LPF/wlan0/00:90:4b:1b:5a:b7
> Apr 4 11:54:38 localhost dhclient: Sending on Socket/fallback/fallback-net
> Apr 4 11:54:38 localhost dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to
> 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 7
> Apr 4 11:54:38 localhost ifplugd(wlan0)[4649]: client: Listening on
> LPF/wlan0/00:90:4b:1b:5a:b7
> Apr 4 11:54:38 localhost ifplugd(wlan0)[4649]: client: Sending on
> LPF/wlan0/00:90:4b:1b:5a:b7
> Apr 4 11:54:38 localhost ifplugd(wlan0)[4649]: client: Sending on
> Socket/fallback/fallback-net
> Apr 4 11:54:38 localhost ifplugd(wlan0)[4649]: client: DHCPDISCOVER
> on w
Re: Using Ubuntu when I'm used to Debian.
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 11:49:10AM +0100, Adam Funk wrote: > I'm getting a new computer at work with Ubuntu on it, but I'm used to > using Debian (at home and at my previous job). I understand that they > have some similarities. > > I'd appreciate any suggestions about common pitfalls when making this > transition, things that will catch me by surprise, etc. You have to install a mail server and mailx and mutt after the install, it's not done for you. There might be other things you expect to be there, but aren't--those were the biggest things that tripped me up when I tried Ubuntu. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- All diplomacy is a continuation of war by other means. -- Chou En Lai -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Wireless roaming/configuration
On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 07:41:10PM -0700, Z F wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I can not seem to figure out how to configure wireless roaming.
> That is, I would like to describe several networks with their WEP keys
> and
> ESSIDs. The goal is that as soon as available network is detected a
> connection is made.
Should be doable.
> It seems to me that waproamd is the right package for the job. Never
> the less, I can not seem to make it work. waproamd gives me this error:
>
> SIOCGIWRANGE failed: Argument list too longShutdown
I apologise, I don't have any experience with this program.
> I also noticed that latest wireless tools available are v17. However,
> the kernel 2.6.13 provides v18 support. It is not clear if v18 is
> backwards compatible with v17 and if this could be aproblem.
The kernel provides Wireless Extensions (wext) 18, which is different
than wireless-tools version number, but even oldstable has version 23 so
I'm not sure that's what you're talking about. Are you running stable,
testing, or unstable?
> Also, I saw on waproamd web site that it has been superceeded by
> wpa_supplicant. This uses WPA and WPA2 method. But I have WEP so what
> should I do? What are the options?
You can use wpa_supplicant for WEP. I do. What I did was make the
key-mgmt NONE and set wep_key0 instead of WPA-PSK or the like.
> One last point, I do not have KDE or GNOME installed. Do I need them
> for
> the wireless configuration or it is possible to do it without it?
It's quite possible to do it from the command line (how I did it), or
perhaps there's apps in GNOME or KDE to do it, I don't know about
them--I just editted /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and
/etc/networking/interfaces by hand.
> Thanks for your input
To get at your initial question, to choose different networks in
wpa_supplicant, you can just list them in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf in
your desired order and they will be tried one after another until one
works or they all fail.
Here's a snippet of my /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf:
network={
ssid="example"
bssid=XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX
scan_ssid=0
key_mgmt=NONE
auth_alg=SHARED
wep_key0=
wep_tx_keyidx=0
}
If you're using unstable's, there's more that's involved in getting
/etc/wpa_supplicant read -- /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes
explains it, or ask.
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Re: wpasupplicant_0.4.8-1 problem
On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 05:10:12PM -0700, L.V.Gandhi wrote: > On 4/2/06, Michael Ott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I copy the config file back from dpkg-bak and set in following new > > parameter in /etc/networking/interface: > > wpa_conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf > > Thanks for the response. I added that line in > /etc/networking/interface and copied dpkg-bak for > wpa_supplicant.conf. Still it is not working. try making that wpa_conf a wpa-conf instead and try again. At least, that's how I have it in my /etc/networking/interfaces > Home net has wep. It is > in wpa_supplicant.conf. But it is not getting connected. The site you > mentioned says wep is put in /etc/networking/interface file. Hence > for wep, should i think wpa_supplicant.conf is not useful. I'm using wpa_supplicant.conf and wep right now and it's working. > whether > your system has wep? How do you handle it? Just as shown above. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- In real love you want the other person's good. In romantic love you want the other person. -- Margaret Anderson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ipod nano gtkpod
On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 11:32:48AM +, ilaboo wrote: > anyone out there got ipod nano working using gtkpod? Yes. > i cannot synchronice itunesdb Odd. Are you doing a "read" before trying to do anything? It took me a bit of playing to get it to work at first, but I find that if, as soon as I plug the ipod in, I open gtkpod and click 'read' it works. Give it some time, too--I've thought it was crashed when it was still working. Especially if it's not on an USB 2 port. > any help directions appreciated Hope that gave you an idea. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- If you float on instinct alone, how can you calculate the buoyancy for the computed load? -- Christopher Hodder-Williams -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ...the public key is not available
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 12:25:48PM -0600, Russ Cook wrote: > Rich Johnson wrote: > I'm getting the same error for ftp.nerim.net . I installed > debian-archive-keyring, but the error persists. Can anyone tell me what > the problem is, and how to solve it? ftp.nerim.net isn't an official debian mirror. There are directions on how to get the key recognized by apt on the page here: http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/faq.html -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- QOTD: "I'm just a boy named 'su'..." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to write reliably CD-RW's!
On Sat, Apr 01, 2006 at 12:41:31PM -0600, Sumo Wrestler (or just ate too much) wrote: > G.C.H.M. Verhaag wrote: > >[...] > >By the way, I use grub as boot-loader. In the file /boot/grub/menu.lst I > >added hdc=scsi at the end of the following line: > > > >kernel /vmlinuz-2.4.27-2-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro > > > >Should that perhaps be hdc=ide-scsi? > >[...] > > Yes. > > $ zless +5/ide-scsi /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/CD-Writing-HOWTO.gz At least on kernel series 2.4--on my machine running 2.6.16 I boot without that argument and specify 'dev=/dev/hdc' and it works (though it complains that the support for this is unintentional and unsupported). -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- It is necessary to have purpose. -- Alice #1, "I, Mudd", stardate 4513.3 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Honesty about some exim mistakes
On Sun, Mar 26, 2006 at 02:16:30PM -0500, Jay Zach wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Drake Mobius wrote: > > Well it of course FINALLY hit me that I should have just used > > dpkg-reconfigure instead of apt-get remove et al. Attempts to do this > > fail with the same messages, of course. > In the future, you may want to do a 'dpkg --purge' when trying to completely > remove all traces of packages... IIRC, you can also do an 'apt-get remove --purge' if you also want to purge dependant programs. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Accident, n.: A condition in which presence of mind is good, but absence of body is better. -- Foolish Dictionary -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: gnome menu update
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 05:22:21PM -0500, Rick Pasotto wrote: > When/how do the gnome menus get updated? I just installed two programs > via apt-get and neither shows in either the regular gnome menus nor the > debian menu even though both have entries in /usr/share/menu. If I'm not mistaken, the debian menu system is updated via the 'update-menus' command. I'm not sure about the gnome menus, I think it has something to do with programs having .desktop files in some directory somewhere. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Space is limited. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Deleting partition icons from Gnome desktop
On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 02:34:11PM +0800, Heimdall Midgard wrote:
> There was a time, not too long ago, when my Gnome 2.12.3
> desktop was clean. It showed only three icons, Trash,
> Computer and Home. Now it's littered with ugly-looking
> "Volume" icons representing the partitions of my lone hard
> drive. These are partitions that are of no interest to the
> typical desktop user, for example, /usr (shown as an icon in
> desktop with the remarkably undescriptive label "7.4 GB
> Volume") and /var ("957.0 MB Volume") which contains files
> that the user never interacts directly with. How do I get
> rid of these drive icons?
What I would do would be to go to gconf and go to
apps->nautilus->desktop and uncheck the 'volumes visible' checkbox.
This will have the side-effect of not showing CD's or DVD's or floppies
that are mounted either, so I don't know if that's what you want to do.
> Dragging the icons to the Trash
> only gives me a dialog telling me that the volume in
> question can only be unmounted by root.
As you found out, dragging a volume to the trash tries to unmount it.
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Re: More info -Re: How to install a downloaded printer driver?
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 09:17:57PM -0800, Christopher Nelson wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 07:47:55PM -0800, lmyho wrote:
> Try downloading the cupswrapper deb from the brother site:
> http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_drivers.html#de
> and installing it. The directions on:
> http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_wrapper_install.html
> seem to suggest that may be all that is required. Otherwise, remove the
> driver and wrapper from your system ('apt-get remove ' or
> your favourite package manager) and try the driver mentioned earlier in
> the page the wrapper is on.
The page also suggests that you need C-shell to run the driver. An
'apt-get install csh' should do the trick.
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Re: More info -Re: How to install a downloaded printer driver?
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 07:47:55PM -0800, lmyho wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Just wanted to add more info: the printer showing in the "File>Print..."
> place is a
> printer named lp(via lpr) - which I actually don't know where comes from? -
> so when
> I print, it is actually using this printer.
>
> For my own Brother HL lasser printer, I tried to use the
> Desktop>Administration>printing tool to install it, but I couldn't find where
> the
> required .ppd file is located so I couldn't proceed. But this lp(vis lpr)
> cprinter
> came out anyway, so i just used it to prin and the empty paper print out was
> the
> result.
Try downloading the cupswrapper deb from the brother site:
http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_drivers.html#de
and installing it. The directions on:
http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/cups_wrapper_install.html
seem to suggest that may be all that is required. Otherwise, remove the
driver and wrapper from your system ('apt-get remove ' or
your favourite package manager) and try the driver mentioned earlier in
the page the wrapper is on.
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Re: How to install a downloaded printer driver?
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 04:03:09PM -0800, lmyho wrote: > Hi Chris, thank you for the instruction! I did it, the pkg was installed, > but got > further problem: the printer started to print immediately for nothing and I > can't > stop it - only to turn its power off. Then I tried to print something really > - the > printer started, but still keep printing nothing and not stop!! what is > happening > and what's wrong here?? > > Could you help me further about it? THANK YOU!!! > > > by the way, it's a Brother printer. Are you using lpr or cups? I think you can find out by checking if /etc/init.d/cupsys exists, if it does you have cups installed. I don't know about lpr. If you are using cups, try issuing an '/etc/init.d/cupsys stop' then turn the printer on. If that works (doesn't try and print anything), try to delete any jobs (point your browser at localhost:631) and issue '/etc/init.d/cupsys start' and see if it works correctly. If you have no jobs queued, I'm not sure where to go. HTH, good luck, -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- He keeps differentiating, flying off on a tangent. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to install a downloaded printer driver?
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 03:30:53PM -0800, lmyho wrote: > Hi All! > > I am trying to install a printer on my brand new :) debian system. I just > downloaded the printer driver (it's a .deb package) from the manufacturer's > web. > The downloaded .deb file is at the usr home dir (/home), but when I use > "apt-get > install" to install this driver package, I got msg "E: Couldn't find > package". I > also tried to add the full path of the driver pkg, apt-get still can't find > it.:(( That's because apt-get isn't the tool for .deb's you've downloaded yourself (see below) > Could you please tell me how I can let apt-get recognize this dowloaded > driver pkg > and install it, or, where should I put this pkg at so that apt-get can find > it? I think what you want to do is 'dpkg -i ' from the directory housing the package. You'll have to have root privelages to do so. > by the way, it's a Brother printer. Could I find the driver at some place > where the > apt-get can find it by itsself? Sorry, I can't help you there. Maybe another list denizen could help. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- She asked me, "What's your sign?" I blinked and answered "Neon," -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: useless totem
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 09:20:08PM +, B.Hoffmann wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 13:05 -0800, Christopher Nelson wrote: > > > > > Are you using totem-gstreamer? If so, that could be part of the > > problem. I've found gstreamer supports fewer types "out-of-the-box" > > than does the alternative, totem-xine, which uses xine as the back-end. > > I'm not sure which was the default when I installed, but totem-xine is > > available for stable, testing, and unstable. Another thing you might > > have to do is install libdvdcss (for dvd's) and w32codecs -- but there > > are legal issues with these so they're not part of the Debian proper. > > Yes Christopher, I've got all the codec packages installed and can play > DVD in Xine, some also work in totem and some don't. Totem usually gets > stuck somewhere quite early on. I had problems with DVD playback using gstreamer0.8 too, I've heard gstreamer0.10 is better, but I haven't had the drive to try it out, and it's only in testing/unstable. > You're right, I use totem-gstreamer. > So you would recommend totem-xine? But a more philosophical question: > why use totem then at all if you can do it in xine? I _think_ totem-xine can do (almost) everything xine can. I think the reason to use totem instead of xine-ui or gxine is the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. If you don't personally care about them, feel free to use whatever. You can then 'apt-get remove' totem if you want and don't care about the gnome metapackage. > When I have time I'll do more searches on the use of the plugins for > gstreamer you mentioned to find out if that makes a difference. Good luck, hope you find something useful. I just checked and a lot of the plugins are available through debian, though some of the 0.8 plugins are only available in testing/unstable, and I think all of 0.10 is also. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Most people deserve each other. -- Shirley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: useless totem
On Wed, Mar 22, 2006 at 07:38:25PM +, B.Hoffmann wrote: > Hi everybody, > > is it just me or is totem really quite useless as a player? Most times I > try and run something with it it just comes up with 'no input plugin > found' or 'cannot handle xxxstream', you know what I mean. > That when xine installed on the same system plays all these files and > more quite well. > I mean totem plays some but by far not enough to justify its existence > when compared to other players. > This seems to be a constant thing in all distros certainly I have tried > over the years. > Why not just strip totem out of Gnome and hand it over to Xine? > > Sorry if it looks like heresy to some but it really just feels like a > waste of space to me. Are you using totem-gstreamer? If so, that could be part of the problem. I've found gstreamer supports fewer types "out-of-the-box" than does the alternative, totem-xine, which uses xine as the back-end. I'm not sure which was the default when I installed, but totem-xine is available for stable, testing, and unstable. Another thing you might have to do is install libdvdcss (for dvd's) and w32codecs -- but there are legal issues with these so they're not part of the Debian proper. Gstreamer can be made to recognise more media types by use of plugins, too, btw, but I'm not sure which ones you'd need for which types of media. -- Christopher Nelson -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Early to bed and early to rise and you'll be groggy when everyone else is wide awake. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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