Re: Color shifted desktop in testing with LXQt desktop
Thanks for the suggestion, but it times out no matter what I do. Its a very old testing install that follows testing. Its likely fubar because of the move from qt5 to qt6. I will just have to rebuild the install, and its not hard if I save the config files. Its just finding the time now to do it. Jim
Re: Color shifted desktop in testing with LXQt desktop
Looks like dependency hell is the problem. There are over 800 packages being held back from testing. Its likely some dependency of pcmanfm-qt was upgraded but there are others blocking pcmanfm-qt from upgrading. Way to many upgrades to do by hand and trying in synaptic removes a ton of packages. Jim
Re: Color shifted desktop in testing with LXQt desktop
Forgot to add, the other colors on the desktop and pcmanfm-qt are off. They are right on the panel. All colors are correct when logging in (lightdm). Jim
Re: Color shifted desktop in testing with LXQt desktop
Objects in the panel are the right color, yellow icons which are yellow. Conky is still yellow text. The desktop and icons in pcmanfm-qt are blue when they should be yellow. Since pcmanfm-qt handles the desktop, its at least consist. When copying the blue icons to another install they are yellow. Jim
Color shifted desktop in testing with LXQt desktop
Hi I am not sure what package is causing it. But after an upgrade yesterday the yellow flowers in my wallpaper and the yellow icons on the desktop and in pcmanfm-qt appear blue. As well as some buttons on popups like shutdown confirm. Icons in the panel and some menu selections are still yellow. If I move the wallpaper and icons to another linux install the flowers and icons are still yellow. Not sure how to report this bug, how to find out whats causing it, or how to fix it. Jim Bielefeldt Jim
Re: OT: Spectacles
On 9/10/24 7:42 AM, Larry Martell wrote: One would be better to see an ophthalmologist as opposed to an optician. Correct. An optician can only fill a prescription written by an ophthalmologist or an optometrist. And depending on where you go for eye care, and your own particular needs, you may need both: at Kaiser, I learned early-on that ophthalmologists there will refer you to an optometrist for routine eyeglass prescriptions, even if they are examining you for other problems (e.g., vitreous shrinkage/liquefaction). As to "driving glasses," "reading glasses," "computer/music desk glasses," and so forth, prescriptions can be optimized for various needs and various activities. -- JHHL
Re: Newbie install - Live DVD for 32 bit system
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 at 13:29, didier gaumet wrote: > > Le 21/08/2024 à 14:15, James Freer a écrit : > > > I was hoping i was doing the right thing with this live DVD. I realise > > 32 bit is going but i just wanted to test the hardware. I can't risk a > > hard disk install until i have leave from work and can spend the > > necessary time on an installation. Seems odd to ask for partitioning > > on a liveDVD. > > Hello, > > - As Michael and DdB have stated, you are not using a live (name > starting by debian-live...) image but an installation image. There are > no more 32 bits live images, as Micheal has said. My apologies i thought this image was a live image and that was what i didn't understand. I realise 32 bit is going but i haven't the cash at present to consider a new PC. I appreciate your replies. james
Re: Newbie install - Live DVD for 32 bit system
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 at 13:02, Michael Kjörling wrote: > > On 21 Aug 2024 12:52 +0100, from jrjfr...@gmail.com (James Freer): > > For a live DVD install as i want to check the hardware is okay i tried > > using debian-12.5-i386-DVD-1.iso. This i presume would just spin up > > but it has asked for partitioning etc which suggests it is going to do > > a hard disk install. > > That is likely correct. You want one of the images with the "live" tag > in the name, which are only available for the amd64 architecture. > > Note that i386 (i586, i686) support is being phased out more and more. > Debian 12 is quite possibly the last version of Debian with good i386 > architecture support, and i386 support is not guaranteed throughout > its long-term support phase because of maintenance and upstream > issues. See the recent discussions regarding i386 and 32-bit on this > very list for more details. > > -- > Michael Kjörling 🔗 https://michael.kjorling.se > “Remember when, on the Internet, nobody cared that you were a dog?” I was hoping i was doing the right thing with this live DVD. I realise 32 bit is going but i just wanted to test the hardware. I can't risk a hard disk install until i have leave from work and can spend the necessary time on an installation. Seems odd to ask for partitioning on a liveDVD. james
Newbie install - Live DVD for 32 bit system
Hi folks I have an old machine i want to try debian on for the first time. I understand that one can use the net install for a straight hard disk install. For a live DVD install as i want to check the hardware is okay i tried using debian-12.5-i386-DVD-1.iso. This i presume would just spin up but it has asked for partitioning etc which suggests it is going to do a hard disk install. I have used Ubuntu, MX linux and Linuxmint in the past and the live DVD just spins up which is all i wanted to do. Maybe it just asks for country, keyboard, partitioning in preparation for a hard disk install - i am not sure as i don't want to do a hard disk install today. Just wanted to check the hardware through. Please advise thanks james
Re: Tool to store on IMAP server
> "NG" == Nicolas George writes:
NG> I got curl to work (I did not know that curl could do IMAP):
NG> curl --user george --url imaps://server/Mail/testcurl --upload-file
/tmp/mail
NG> Unfortunately, curl hardcodes that mail uploaded that way are seen:
NG> /* Send the APPEND command */
NG> result = imap_sendf(data,
NG> "APPEND %s (\\Seen) {%" CURL_FORMAT_CURL_OFF_T "}",
NG> mailbox, data->state.infilesize);
NG> … and I need them to be new.
How about keeping a locally patched version of curl on hand (you could
call it something like /usr/local/bin/imap-upload) which sets the flags
as you want them to be?
--
-JimC
cl...@jhcloos.com
Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?
On 6/18/24 10:01 AM, John Hasler wrote: JHHL writes: Some of us still prefer physical media Do you mean read-only media? All media are physical. No, I mean physical media as opposed to downloads. Application software, I've resigned myself to downloads, although as I said, I am not happy with software that installs updates of dubious value without so much as a how-do-you-do. Even operating systems, when there is no other choice available. But I prefer my books to be in a form made from an eminently sustainable and recyclable resource, a form requiring (at least for the sighted) no auxiliary hardware other than maybe a pair of reading glasses (which I now need even to read screens). A form that can also be adapted to those who read with their fingertips. A form that a publisher cannot yank away from those who paid good money. As for recorded music and audiovisual content, I again prefer something that cannot be taken away without physically carrying it off. And I have the additional objection here that the most common digital music formats use lossy compression. *VERY* lossy compression. And I find it thoroughly laughable when vinyl-snobs listen to homemade MP3 dubs of their records (surface noise, compression artifacts, and all). But this is veering far off-topic. My previous message was mainly to point out that the thread title can scare the out of people, and seems to have very little to do with what the thread is actually *about,* i.e., it appears to be about delivery forms other than optical or magnetic media for OS and application software, and compatibility of disk-images with those forms. Not about *getting rid of* optical media (or magnetic media, for that matter).
Re: CD/DVD is obsolete or deprecate at 2025?
On 6/17/24 7:44 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: No! Some of us want to keep using DVD and not be pushed away What he said. Might I humbly suggest that this whole thread title is provocative, alarming, and maybe even a little inflamatory? Some of us still prefer physical media, whether in the form of printed books, CDs, tapes, DVDs, vinyl, &c. Most of my computers have at least one drive capable of handling physical media, and most of those that don't can talk to my USB optical drive. And I regularly "sneakernet" files between two of them, on a Zip Disk. And my stereo system still has a CD drive, a CD-R drive, and a tape deck . . . but NOTHING that can deal with downloaded recordings unless burned onto physical media. And I LIKE IT THAT WAY. I will note that when my previous DOSbook failed, I needed PC-DOS 2000 on physical media in order to do the OS-install. And I'll also note that at present, the Linux subsystem on my Chromebook is, in a word, hosed, and I blame that on unasked-for "updates" (of dubious value at best) being foisted upon me. -- JHHL
Re: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ) topic... Text Size
I will say that one should probably not expect perfection from an email reader that's named after a cheap wine. In my experience, T-Bird is the worst email reader I've ever used . . . except for *every other* email reader (without a single exception) I've tried. I'm particularly irritated with those that have no way to disable HTML rendering, and those that have no way to send properly formatted plain-text-only emails, those that try to trick you into top-posting, and (especially) those mobile email readers that waste finite processor resources by insisting on checking your email even when closed. Compared to that, dealing with T-Bird's imperfections is a walk in the park. -- JHHL (who still hasn't figured out why Ford named a car, and the Air Force named its demonstration team, after that same cheap wine)
Re: OT: Top Posting
On 5/15/24 6:46 AM, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: . . . No its not, its your refusal to use the down arrow in your reply editor to put your reply after the question. It really is that simple. If your choice of email agents cannot do that, its time to switch to an agent that can. There are dozens of them. . . . Actually, it isn't necessarily the user's fault. Thanks to the "business standard," (and think about the initials) of top-posting over the complete, unpared quote of the entire thread, there are an awful lot of email readers (and especially webmail interfaces) that make it difficult to follow any other convention, and a few that make it damn-near impossible. Just as there are an awful lot that make it difficult or impossible to send a plain-text email. Incidentally, regarding the Hollerith card origins of the 80-column standard, the very first Hollerith cards, from the 1890 U.S. Census, had 24 columns and 12 rows of round holes, and were punched with a pantograph punch. In 1928, IBM introduced rectangular holes, in an 80-column, 10-row format, later expanded to 12 rows. -- JHHL
Re: OT: Top Posting
On 5/14/24 10:41 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: We have a clash of two cultures here. More than just *nix vs. M$. In business communications by email, the norm is to quote the *entire* thread, every time, without paring anything down, purely for the sake of CYA. As such, top-posting is the only reasonable alternative, given that recipients would otherwise have to scroll through hundreds, perhaps thousands of lines of quoted material to find a bottom-posted reply, or worse, *actually read* through all that quoted material to find an inline-posted reply. In list-server communications (and to a lesser extent, BBS posts), the norm is to pare down quoted material to the barest minimum needed to provide context (originally to save bandwidth and storage, both of which are *still* finite resources), and to bottom-post or inline-post one's replies, in order to give them a more natural flow. CYA doesn't factor in at all. -- JHHL
Re: NextGov: Linux XZ Utils Backdoor Was Long Con, Possibly With Support
I will note that open source software has, by definition, a lot more eyes looking at the source. Which is probably why (as Tomas said) "proprietary software tends to fare significantly worse." -- JHHL
Re: What use can i give to linux?
On 4/5/24 12:12 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: . . . Most of the time the platform is dictated by the application(s) a user wants to run. . . . Indeed. Which is why I still have DOS boxes (running IBM PC-DOS 2000, with DOSShell, and no WinDoze whatsoever: Xerox Ventura Publisher (DOS/GEM Edition) is *still* my typesetting software of choice, and I still use WordPerfect 5.1+ and Quattro Pro SE. And as to Ventura and WordPerfect, well, Corel can go to . . . (rhymes with Corel), for turning perfectly good DOS apps into bad, bloated, WinDoze apps. -- JHHL
Re: What use can i give to linux?
On 4/5/24 11:35 AM, John Hasler wrote: Desktop Linux is widely used in physics and mathematics. NASA uses Linux extensively, including on Mars and on the ISS. SpaceX uses Linux on their rockets and spacecraft. Over 90% of the top 1 million Web servers run Linux, including Yahoo, X, and Ebay. Almost all supercomputers use Linux. Linux has a large and growing share of the automotive market. Your router almost certainly runs Linux. Not to mention people like me, who refuse to use WinDoze, in order to avoid paying "The Bill" (hasn't Gates gotten rich enough already, selling ill-behaved bloatware and deliberately driving competitors out of business?), and who have become increasingly disgusted with Apple's "we know what you want better than you do" attitude, and with the fact that their upgrade treadmill is getting to be almost as bad as Microsloth's (I'd use a stronger dysphemism, involving a very rude Yiddish word, but this is presumably a family list-server). And of course, every Chromebook in the world has a variant of Linux at its core (just as every Mac that runs a Mac OS later than 9 uses a variant of BSD), and a *good* Chromebook will run Linux apps. -- JHHL
Where to report print driver bug
I was going to submit a bug for this but I don't know what package I should report the bug against. Debian bugreport says: Please enter the name of the package in which you have found a problem, or type 'other' to report a more general problem. If you don't know what package the bug is in, please contact debian-user@lists.debian.org for assistance. I have a Dell 2130cn, which is a PCL6 compatible printer. CUPS/Print manager says "Generic PCL 6/PCL XL Printer Foomatic/pxlcolor (recommended)" is the recommended driver and the only PCL6 driver that actually prints in color as far as I can tell. However, sometime in the past year or two (maybe between Bullseye and Bookworm), this driver no longer allows me to print in duplex. I was able to print in duplex from Windows, so I decided to try a different driver. I tried both "Generic PCL 6/PCL XL Printer - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.3.4" and "Generic PCL 6/PCL XL Printer Foomatic/hpijs-pcl5c" They both print in duplex, but do not print in color. I would like to submit a bug report, but I do not know if I should only submit one for printer-driver-pxljr, which I think provides pxlcolor or something more generic.
Re: what keyboard do you use?
On 2/4/24 9:56 AM, Michael Kjörling wrote: If you contact them and ask, they can probably tell you whether the key caps . . . can be flipped physically. Unicomp can and will make custom keycaps. -- JHHL
Re: what keyboard do you use?
I also wouldn't mind one bit if somebody came up with a computer keyboard that exactly duplicates the key arrangement and feel of a Linotype keyboard. Not for practical daily use, mind you (I'll stick with my Unicomps); rather, as a practice instrument for those who occasionally run Linotype and Intertype machines, and for interpretive exhibits in graphic arts museums (given that I spend my Saturdays docenting at the International Printing Museum, I'd find both useful). "etaoin shrdlu" -- JHHL
Re: what keyboard do you use?
On 2/2/24 5:25 PM, Lee wrote: I figure there's a high percentage of keyboard jockeys here so .. which keyboard do you like and why? Unicomp. They acquired the rights and the tooling for the IBM buckling spring technology. If only they also offered mice that were as rugged as their keyboards. -- JHHL
Re: Home UPS recommendations
I, too, have always used APC. I've heard people swear by APC, and I've heard people swear *at* APC. I've had reason to do both, myself (and I won't elaborate on either). -- James H. H. Lampert
Re: Mouse single click handling?
On 12/20/23 1:06 PM, Cindy Sue Causey wrote: I finally switched tactics last year and tried gaming mice. I thought about the way they're used. It's comparable to how much I click for emails and research related to ongoing Life.. shtuff. The main reason why I avoid gaming mice is because they tend to be loaded down with unnecessary bells and whistles. Again, if only Unicomp offered mice that were built like their keyboards. . . . -- JHHL
Re: Mouse single click handling?
On 12/20/23 11:30 AM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: Until about a year ago my experience with Logitech mice had been good. Those that had died normally did so after falling off a desk, which I don't really see as a manufacturing fault. But since then several I've bought have all failed with the problem of LMB sending double-clicks when pressed once. That includes two separate "Pebble" mice. I've also been sticking with Logitech mice for many years. Specifically, M100/B100/M110, &c. But my brand-loyalty has been eroding, because they've been cheapening their product. In particular, it wasn't that long ago that, without changing the model number, or making any public announcement, they pulled support for PS/2 (and therefore for passive PS/2 adapters) from what had been, up until then, dual-mode mice. Not a major problem for Linux, running on current hardware, but a *very* major problem for me, because I also run DOS (IBM PC/DOS 2000, with no WinDoze whatsoever) on antique hardware. Fortunately, I live and work near what can only be described as a computer junk shop, where finding antique hardware, some of it still new-in-box, is not terribly difficult. But I can definitely confirm that Logitech is NOT making mice like they used to. If only Unicomp made a mouse as good as their keyboards . . . . -- James H. H. Lampert
Re: ntpsec as server questions
the current America/New_York equiv is: EST5EDT,M3.2.0/2:00:00,M11.1.0/2:00:00 -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6
Re: dedicated IP
On 11/27/23 1:59 PM, Maureen L Thomas wrote: I would like some advice. I have been offered a dedicated IP through NORD. Is it worth it or is it not needed? Pros and cons would be very helpful. Thank you. Assuming you mean a static IP address: Useful if you need to self-host something (assuming outsiders are even able to get in). Also useful on both ends, if you have customers for whom you need to regularly get direct terminal access: having a static IP address at their end makes it easy for you to reach their box, and having one at your end makes it easy for them to allow you in, while keeping the rest of the world out. -- JHHL
rasp pi headless setup
I tried adding the required info into /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf before first boot (as well as my pub key in .ssh/authorized_keys), but that proved insufficient to get it on the 802.11. It had been so long since the last time that I forgot about putting the wpa_supplicant.conf on the boot partition for the first boot. I'm not up on how systd does it; what else is required to get a headless rasp to connect? Thanks, -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6
Re: Acer Monitors
On 10/18/23 5:09 AM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: . . . I'd be interested in hearing any comments from users of Acer products. I have a pair of their VL270U monitors hooked up to my work Mac Mini. The biggest challenge I had was building a "portrait mode" stand for one of them. They've been working quite well over the months they've been in service. -- JHHL
Re: Virtualization under Bookworm
Carl: I use VirtualBox on Debian 12, and I run virtual Windows 11 and Linux machines with no issue. I also tried GNOME boxes and had no direct problems, but I went back to using VirtualBox because it was compatible with my cloud storage setup - I can save a VirtualBox virtual machine file in the cloud server and access it from my desktop and laptop without issue, whereas GNOME boxes wouldn’t work if I did that - there were always boot errors. But GNOME boxes otherwise seemed to work great. James Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: Carl Fink Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 9:29:30 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Virtualization under Bookworm Hi, I have a project that I'd like to work on in a virtual machine hosted on my Bookworm system. In the old days (5-10 years ago) I used VirtualBox, just from inertia. I haven't really virtualized since then. What's the current recommendation for someone who just wants to create a one-off VM to run Debian under Debian? As this is not my job or even main hobby, ideally it should have setup at least as easy as VirtualBox was back in the day. System is an ASUS ExpertCenter PN52 (Ryzen 7 6800, 32 GB of RAM, 2 terabyte SSD). Thank you. -Carl Fink
Re: REeLooking for a good "default" font (small 'L' vs. capital 'i' problem)
Hmm. IBM Plex. Not bad-looking, and it does solve the stated problem. I will note that like Bistream Swiss Monospaced, it's only *nominally* sans-serif, in that it has slab-serifs (Stymie-style, rather than Clarendon-style) on the capital I, and one small slab-serif on the lowercase l. -- JHHL
Re: Looking for a good "default" font (small 'L' vs. capital 'i' problem)
What Herr Rönnquist said. And given that I actually *do* set type with some regularity, I can say from experience that, with the exception of some monospaced examples that are only *nominally* sans-serif (e.g., Bitstream Swiss Monospaced), sans-serif fonts in which uppercase I and lowercase l are readily distinguishable are about as scarce as the proverbial hen's teeth, whether you're talking digital, photo, hot metal, foundry, or wood. -- James H. H. Lampert (And for the record, my "go-to fonts" are all versions of Garamond.)
Re: [OT] connect to Amazon AWS service
On 7/28/23 8:46 AM, Haines Brown wrote: I've used an on line validation servce to which I submit code. It terminated with the note that it has now become a web service on the Amazon EC2 Web Service. I registered for this cloud sercice, but have no idea how to access an instance created by someone else. Just because a service is hosted on an Amazon EC2 instance doesn't mean that having an account on AWS is necessary for access to it. Neither does it mean that having an account on AWS will automatically get you access to it. We offer a SAAS version of our CRM application, hosted on AWS; having an AWS account is neither a necessary condition for access to the product, nor a sufficient condition. You probably need to contact the owner of the service for instructions on how to proceed. -- JHHL
Re: Convert PostScript .pfa to .pfb?
On 7/13/23 2:28 PM, Tom Browder wrote: I know the binary version of the PS fonts can be converted to TrueType by FontForge. However, is there a way to convert from the PS ASCII version .pfa file to the binary .pfb file? I have a very old font editor, that I used briefly (on a neighbor's WinDoze box -- I don't allow WinDoze in my house), circa 20 years ago (I don't recall of the top of my head what it was called), and I think it could convert PS Type 3 to PS Type 1. So assuming my memory isn't playing tricks on me, it's been done. No idea, however, what will do it, that's currently available. You don't see much PS Type 3 any more, I'm afraid. -- JHHL
Re: Running Debian without initramfs?
On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 11:52:28 +0100, wrote: > On Fri 09 Jun 2023 at 10:44:23 (+0100), James Addison wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 at 05:38, wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 09:57:31PM +0100, James Addison wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > Naturally a block device isn't a game cartridge - the former could > > > > contain many different operating systems, with the potential for > > > > dynamic resizing. But it feels like we haven't landed on the simplest > > > > way to approximate the straightforward (and I think generally fairly > > > > efficient and safe) experience of choosing and loading game cartridges > > > > with boot configuration. It's not a criticism of Debian per-se - we > > > > are following standards as opposed to setting them. > > > > > > What you should consider is that this initramfs setup allows you to > > > pull the disk from your (possibly dead) computer and stuff it into > > > some other (with hopefully similar architecture) and you have at > > > least a fair chance that the thing will boot, because at initramfs > > > time some modules are magically available. > > > > > > And even if things have changed a bit, you are dropped into a > > > command line where you may fix things. > > > > > > Stuff like encrypted root partitions and similar are made much > > > easier this way, too. > > > > In the game-cartridge analogy, the initrd seems something like an > > adapter that allows the same game cartridge to run on multiple similar > > game consoles. But almost every game cartridge has one, and they're > > continually being updated, and they're rarely mixed-and-matched (it's > > rare for me to borrow an initramfs from a friend). In terms of system > > design (and user understanding), it makes me wonder whether there > > could be a better and simpler way. > > > > (in terms of practicalities: I realize that if there were no > > initrd/initramfs, then the kernel would need to know or be able to > > load a (standard?) module in order to read the target filesystem. the > > former module could either be compiled-in (but that could reduce > > filesystem diversity), or it could be loaded from the 'true' root > > filesystem block device extents somehow. if the latter, then it'd be > > nice if it was based on a mechanism that allows for variable size of > > module content, because /boot partitions for example fill up over > > time, and generally speaking it seems awkward to divide a single block > > device into two simply for the purposes of storing 'some boot stuff' > > if the size of the stuff-partition is static and all of the (even > > unused) space for it becomes unusable to the filesystem on the same > > device) > > You seem to be keen to invent something. But the invention (initramfs) > has already been invented. If you read around the topic in some depth, > you'll perhaps realise the benefits it brings. > > BTW, loading stuff from the 'true' root in the absence of the > initramfs (or being compiled in already) merely begs the question. I think the design has worked extremely well and provides plenty of versatility. The success of various operating system distributions following this model demonstrates that fairly comprehensively, I think. I'd see (re)invention as an antipattern for a system like that. But if it's possible to refactor it into something that maintains the same benefits while being simpler to understand and maintain, runs less code during system startup, and can simplify operating system backup/inspection/transfer/restore operations, then I think it could be worth considering. Also agree that I should learn more about it in depth, and that it's possible that I'll end up realizing that it's a near-optimal solution already. I have to admit that I've never completely understood the phrase/idiom 'begs the question'. It seems to be misinterpreted relatively often, so I wonder if it too could be refactored. On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 at 10:44, James Addison wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 at 05:38, wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 09:57:31PM +0100, James Addison wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Naturally a block device isn't a game cartridge - the former could > > > contain many different operating systems, with the potential for > > > dynamic resizing. But it feels like we haven't landed on the simplest > > > way to approximate the straightforward (and I think generally fairly > > > e
Re: Running Debian without initramfs?
On Fri, 9 Jun 2023 at 05:38, wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 09:57:31PM +0100, James Addison wrote: > > [...] > > > Naturally a block device isn't a game cartridge - the former could > > contain many different operating systems, with the potential for > > dynamic resizing. But it feels like we haven't landed on the simplest > > way to approximate the straightforward (and I think generally fairly > > efficient and safe) experience of choosing and loading game cartridges > > with boot configuration. It's not a criticism of Debian per-se - we > > are following standards as opposed to setting them. > > What you should consider is that this initramfs setup allows you to > pull the disk from your (possibly dead) computer and stuff it into > some other (with hopefully similar architecture) and you have at > least a fair chance that the thing will boot, because at initramfs > time some modules are magically available. > > And even if things have changed a bit, you are dropped into a > command line where you may fix things. > > Stuff like encrypted root partitions and similar are made much > easier this way, too. Thanks, tomas. I agree that disk portability is useful and should continue to be a goal. In the game-cartridge analogy, the initrd seems something like an adapter that allows the same game cartridge to run on multiple similar game consoles. But almost every game cartridge has one, and they're continually being updated, and they're rarely mixed-and-matched (it's rare for me to borrow an initramfs from a friend). In terms of system design (and user understanding), it makes me wonder whether there could be a better and simpler way. (in terms of practicalities: I realize that if there were no initrd/initramfs, then the kernel would need to know or be able to load a (standard?) module in order to read the target filesystem. the former module could either be compiled-in (but that could reduce filesystem diversity), or it could be loaded from the 'true' root filesystem block device extents somehow. if the latter, then it'd be nice if it was based on a mechanism that allows for variable size of module content, because /boot partitions for example fill up over time, and generally speaking it seems awkward to divide a single block device into two simply for the purposes of storing 'some boot stuff' if the size of the stuff-partition is static and all of the (even unused) space for it becomes unusable to the filesystem on the same device)
Re: Running Debian without initramfs?
On Thu, 08 Jun 2023 17:13:30 +0200, Sven wrote: > On 2023-06-08 15:41 +0100, James Addison wrote: > > > Does anyone have experience running Debian systems without using an > > initramfs? > > I did this in the distance past, some 15 years ago or so. Have long > abandoned that idea, though. > > > I'd be particularly keen to hear about laptop/desktop/server systems, > > because I think that a large motivating factor to use initramfs -- > > across many distributions -- was to provide a mechanism > > outside-the-compiled-kernel to load additional device driver modules, > > and I'd like to check that that motivation is still valid. > > s/device driver// > > Loading modules via an intramfs is crucial for a distro kernel, because > the only alternative would be to compile in support for dozens of > filesystems that users might want to use as their root filesystem. Thanks for the response and correction. So, in order to load a chain of kernel modules (block I/O, logical disk management, filesystem, ...) that can read the system's 'true' root filesystem, we frequently (for example, after installation of some packages) rebuild a second, separate root filesystem (the initramfs), written according to a built-in kernel filesystem format, and then subsequently re-read (often from a separate block device) and re-evaluate the code from that filesystem at each system boot. (further corrections may be required) That was my understanding from around the same time you last loaded a system without an initramfs, and it puzzled me a bit, but I let it pass (there are only so many technical things that it's possible to care about, especially with full-time employment). Basically what I'm wondering about is whether there's some kind of future utopia where operating system filesystem images -- and the process of managing and booting from them -- could be made significantly simpler. Naturally a block device isn't a game cartridge - the former could contain many different operating systems, with the potential for dynamic resizing. But it feels like we haven't landed on the simplest way to approximate the straightforward (and I think generally fairly efficient and safe) experience of choosing and loading game cartridges with boot configuration. It's not a criticism of Debian per-se - we are following standards as opposed to setting them. I guess I'm curious whether it could be time to start reversing the polarity of some open source development experience to feed them back into simpler standards that provide what we want while discarding the cruft that doesn't -- based on practical and proven experience -- doesn't work so well.
Running Debian without initramfs?
Hi folks, Does anyone have experience running Debian systems without using an initramfs? I'd be particularly keen to hear about laptop/desktop/server systems, because I think that a large motivating factor to use initramfs -- across many distributions -- was to provide a mechanism outside-the-compiled-kernel to load additional device driver modules, and I'd like to check that that motivation is still valid. Thanks, James
Re: Cable colors and urban legends (was: Error Messages)
On 6/2/23 11:33 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: This is very hard to believe. I'm willing to believe that there have been insulation dyes that have proved problematic, but if you've encountered those problems in the 70s I find it *really* odd that it would still affect cables from this century (e.g. sata cables). Yes, and red-insulated wire has been in common use for many decades, on everything from primary power wiring for buildings (when the "hot" wires for multiple circuits, or for both "hot" wires of a 240VAC circuit, are run together), to automotive wiring, to model train wiring, and I've never heard of red (or any other particular color) insulation (or cable jacketing, heat shrink, split-loom, or spiral-wrap) causing damage to conductors. More likely, it was a particular material, possibly containing a plasticizer that turned out to react with copper. And it's rather unlikely that any such material wouldn't be "deprecated with extreme prejudice" as soon as the problem was discovered. -- JHHL
A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?
On 6/2/23 8:34 AM, Mario Marietto wrote: You may argue that developing for a small number of old computers isn't worth trying. But,first of all,I think that there are a LOT of old PCs in the world,since poor people aren't only a niche. Nor are they the only ones using antiquated hardware, or expecting new hardware to remain in service until it physically deteriorates to the point of unreliability. Some of us are Luddites, and damn proud of it. Earlier this year, I finished a months-long project of obtaining a notebook computer old enough to be viable as a DOSbook (IBM PC-DOS 2000, with no WinDoze whatsoever), and configuring it as such, precisely so that I would once again have backup hardware, and mobile capability, for my DOS applications. As a replacement for my dying "bionic desk lamp" iMac, I eschewed both WinDoze and Mac, in favor of a System76 Meerkat, precisely because a state-of-the-art Linux system would presumably have a nice long lifespan. I don't trade in my automobiles for new models; I keep them until it's time to have them hauled off to their final rusting places. And I spend my Saturdays docenting at the International Printing Museum, where I frequently operate presses and linecasting equipment that is nearly as old, or older, than I am, some of which was already decades old before I was born. Luddites of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your upgrade treadmills, and Linux and DOS are your friends! -- JHHL
i386: Geode LX and NOPL
Hi folks, I don't think that I should file this as a Debian bugreport, because it's not a problem that I've experienced with Debian. And I don't think that it's appropriate to write to Debian developers directly about it yet, because I haven't been able to test the results of what I'm curious about here. However: my understanding is that the Geode LX is basically an i686 CPU that lacks one instruction (a 'no operation' - noop - called NOPL). There's a long and entertaining writeup about that here: https://www.jookia.org/wiki/Nopl It's an unusual CPU and didn't see wide consumer adoption except within the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) project, where it was used for two of the early laptop models (XO 1.0 and XO 1.5). Recently, Intel has begun proposing some security improvements for i686 that make use of the NOPL instruction -- and that, I think, could cause support for the Geode LX to fall away from many Linux operating systems because there's a fair and very reasonable argument that adding security features for the majority of users outweighs supporting an old and unusual CPU. However, to get to the point after that lengthy context: there is a patch available on the Linux kernel mailing list that adds emulation of NOPL instructions at the kernel level. I would be curious to know whether anyone has tried that - I intend to, after finding some hardware that includes a Geode LX. The patch is found at: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20210626130313.1283485-1-mar...@orca.pet/ (note: it's unclear to me whether the NOPL emulation only works for the Linux kernel itself, or whether it extends to enabling programs that run on the system (aka userspace binaries) that contain NOPL instructions to run. _if_ kernel-level NOPL emulation allows both the kernel _and_ those programs to run correctly, then I think it could be a neat way to provide the security properties of Intel CET on most i686 hardware, while still also allowing OLPC laptops to run the same software (albeit with slightly reduced security properties)) Thanks (and I'll try to remember to update this thread with any findings), James
Re: cirrus/cs35l41 'Cannot Initialize Firmware. Error: -22'
Hi Vladimir, As you've found, Debian doesn't yet distribute firmware for the Cirrus CS35L41, although there is an open bugreport to add support for it that you can subscribe to: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1031912 The recommended symlinks to create after installing firmware directly from linux-firmware.git can be found in the 'WHENCE' file in the base directory of that repository (this isn't yet documented in the wiki, and the format of that file may change in the nearish future). Please double-check the symlinks you've created against the 'cs35l41' 'Link' entries in that file, and if necessary, make any adjustments to match. Mismatches there are my best guess at the cause of the firmware loading failures at the moment. Thanks, James
Re: OT: Charities (a rant)
On 1/31/23 11:38 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: . . . Because SPI is a US registered charity, it is covered by charitynavigator.org: . . . And its numbers are impressive. Although it appears to have been rather lavishly overfunded in 2018. -- JHHL
Re: running outdated software
On 10/13/22 11:05 AM, DdB wrote: But i am very used to running outdated software, as i am living the old recipe to "never change a working system". I've got you beat: I still have a DOS box. And I'm in the process of configuring and loading a replacement for a worn-out DOSbook. And I still run Xerox Ventura Publisher, DOS/GEM Edition, WordPerfect 5.1+, and Quattro on it. There's a BBS for this: it's called the Vintage Computer Federation. -- JHHL
Re: Color of the active window title bar in ubuntu-mate?
On 8/22/22 4:07 AM, Nicolas George wrote: . . . A manifestation of the “we know better than you” mindset of the GNOME people. . . . *JUST* the GNOME people? I've found that, in general, the "we know better than you" mindset is even worse with Apple and M$. And getting worse still, especially with Apple. My choice for volume icons, for example, has always been a vintage disk pack for an old IBM 3330 "Merlin" drive, sitting idle, in a pack-cover. And my choice for a desktop background has always been a brick wall (ever since I first had a chance to play with ResEdit on a Mac Plus, more than half a lifetime ago). Do I shove this down anybody else's throat? No. But neither do I care to have somebody else's look-and-feel elements shoved down my throat. -- James H. H. Lampert (I also like a garbage can icon to look like a garbage can. With a WinDoze logo on it.)
Re: OT, Recommendation for low cost laptop
Another place to look is your local laptop store. My current laptop, as well as its predecessor, are refurbished ThinkPads I bought there for about $300. They run Linux just fine. "Local laptop store?" Not quite sure I've heard of such a thing, at least not recently. My Chromebook came from BestBuy. As it happens, my beat-up old DOSbook (an old Compaq Contura 486) crapped out on me, a couple months ago, and I'm looking for something of about the same physical dimensions (or a bit smaller and lighter) to replace it. Something old enough to have a floppy drive and/or a PCMCIA slot, and to run DOS and DOSapps without a problem. -- JHHL
Re: [SOLVED] Re: One-user system.
On 5/6/22 1:11 PM, Charles Curley wrote: Maybe, maybe not. I got started with a KIM-I: 6502 running at 1 MHz, just over 1 kilobyte of RAM. Six seven segment displays and a hex keyboard for data entry. I still have one. I remember *reading about* the KIM-I (and the Altair, and a few others) in electronics magazines; I started with a TRS-80 Model I myself (and with high school programming classes on an IBM 370/135 at the District Office, with terminals connected over a pair of multiplexed phone lines [and a maximum terminal speed of 300 Baud]). -- JHHL
Live usb version of testing
Hi, My machine keeps crashing on Bookworm, and most of the drivers aren't working. I wanted to try a live usb to see if it's just my system's rather crufty history rather than bookworm. How would I get one of these? Thanks James
Problems with the nouveau driver
Hi, I've just had to replace the motherboard, cpu and ram in my PC, and after a few hoops got to the point where I can boot Debian Testing in kde. However I keep getting screen windowing problems before eventually X shuts down. Mouse still works for a while, the graphics card is an nvidia GT 730, How do I go about trying to sort this out. Here's some errors from dmesg [ 188.614806] nouveau :2d:00.0: firmware: failed to load nouveau/nv106_fuc084 (-2) [ 188.614812] nouveau :2d:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv106_fuc084 failed with error -2 [ 188.614819] nouveau :2d:00.0: firmware: failed to load nouveau/nv106_fuc084d (-2) [ 188.614820] nouveau :2d:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv106_fuc084d failed with error -2 [ 188.614821] nouveau :2d:00.0: msvld: unable to load firmware data [ 188.614823] nouveau :2d:00.0: msvld: init failed, -19 Thanks James
Start ZFS partition on boot.
Hi, I'm having lots of trouble starting my zfs /var partition as part of boot, after an upgrade to Bullseye. I can manually import the partition with zpool import -a and the status of the pool says "no known data errors". journalctl | grep zfs gives the following error; udevadm => systemd-udev-settle.service is deprecated, Please fix zfs-import-cache.service, zfs-load-module.service not to pull it in. systemd-modules-load[466]: Inserted module 'zfs' systemd[1]: zfs-import-cache.service: Job zfs-import-cache.service/start failed with result 'dependency' systemd[1]: zfs-load-module.service: Job zfs-load-module.service/start failed with result 'dependency' I thought maybe /etc/zfs/zpool_tank.cache had got corrupted, so I set it to none,moved the file, rebooted, reset it to /etc/zfs/zpool_tabk.cache and reboot but no joy. I've tried adding "ExecPreStart=/bin/sleep 5" to the service section of /lib/systemd/systemzfs-import-cache Did a systemctl daemon-reload rebooted I've checked that zfs is listed in /etc/modules-load.d/modules.conf and the fact that you don't have to modprobe once started,suggests that it's working. Unfortunately no change. Now I'm wondering did the system try to load the pool after the kernel module, but I don't want to hack around any more and break things. Note that this used to work under Debian 10 and I've not changed the partition. It seems to be related to this; but I don't want to change the system any more, without solid advice. If anyone can offer any help, I'd be very grateful, James
Re: Errors scrolling on boot
Hi, I found dmesg -D which stopped the errors scrolling but I can't find the problem in the logs, or why it's not booting further. Would not having these firmwares installed prevent the boot continuing? I'd understand that I wouldn't have any wireless, but I've a very old usb dongle that will work. The problem I have is that I also have var mounted as zfs, but that's not mounting properly and I can't tell whether it's the upgrade stopping zfs working or the firmwares stopping the boot before then. dmesg isn't that informative and neither is journalctl -xe, unfortunately I can't copy either. Thanks James Would On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 22:44, Charles Curley < charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 22:16:46 + > "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: > > > If you used the official media without firmware: add contrib and > > non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list and try and install the > > firmware / boot with the unofficial non-free .iso, use this as rescue > > medium and install the appropriate non-free firmware you may need. > > That sounds like an Intel wifi adapter. You may want the firmware > package firmware-iwlwifi. > > -- > Does anybody read signatures any more? > > https://charlescurley.com > https://charlescurley.com/blog/ > >
Errors scrolling on boot
Hi, I've just upgraded my system to Bullseye and run into a problem on reboot. I'm just getting an error, endlessly: [timestamp] Bluetooth: hci0: Reading Intel version information failed (-22) [timestamp] Bluetooth: hci0: There's an iwlwifi*.ucode error near the start but everything gets overwhelmed with the Bluetooth errors. I can't make these messages stop, and the system won't boot to a gui, although I can log in as root. It's very hard to use. I really need an "OK, I get it!" option so I can work on the machine. I've managed to stop Bluetooth as a service, but still get these errors on reboot. The cards are part of the MSI x570S motherboard, so I can't disconnect them to get a working system. Any ideas? I'm thinking I might have to chroot and use isenkram? Thanks James
Trying to work out what non-Debian or non-Buster packages I need to remove
Hi,
I'm trying to upgrade to Bullseye at the moment, but a bit stuck on which
non-Debian packages I need to remove;
root@hawaiian:~# apt-forktracer | sort | awk -F ' ' '{print $1}'
containerd.io
docker-ce
docker-ce-cli
docker-ce-rootless-extras
docker-scan-plugin
elasticsearch
google-chrome-stable
kibana
libnvpair3linux
libuutil3linux
libzfs4linux
libzpool4linux
logstash
spl-dkms
zfs-dkms
zfsutils-linux
zfs-zed
root@hawaiian:~# aptitude search '?narrow(?installed,
?not(?origin(Debian)))'
i A containerd.io
- An
open and reliable container runtime
i docker-ce
-
Docker: the open-source application container engine
i A docker-ce-cli
-
Docker CLI: the open-source application container engine
i A docker-ce-rootless-extras
- Rootless support
for Docker.
i A docker-scan-plugin
- Docker
scan cli plugin.
i elasticsearch
-
Distributed RESTful search engine built for the cloud
i google-chrome-stable
- The web
browser from Google
i kibana
-
Explore and visualize your Elasticsearch data
i logstash
-
An extensible logging pipeline spl-dkms
These (libnvpair3linux, libuutil3linux, libzfs4linux, libzpool4linux,
spl-dkms, zfs-dkms, zfsutils-linux, zfs-zed) are from Backports, so do
they need to be removed? I ask as my /var is mounted as ZFS and that might
get tricky! I can handle removing the docker ones as I'd like to install
Podman anyway. Is there a proper way I should do this?
Would I be taking a risk keeping elasticsearch, kibana, logstash and chrome
or should I just remove those too? Should I comment out the entries in
apt/sources.list.d?
Thanks
James
Re: Changing hardware
Hi, Thanks for all your help, just starting upgrading to Debian 11. Reasons for going with nvidia was it was the cheapest thing I could find, passively cooled, and I do a bit of stuff with Cuda so nvidia is the only game in town. I am using nouveau at the moment, thank god, I'd hate to do this with nvidia kernel drivers! Thanks James On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 09:27, Anssi Saari wrote: > piorunz writes: > > > Free drivers are terrible to use if user wants hardware acceleration. > > Clocks are not ramped up, because nouveau does not support re-clocking. > > That means horrible performance, or crashes. I don't ever recommend, or > > sometimes even mention, nouveau. > > Hear, hear. I was actually surprised recently when my "new" laptop > actually produced video with nouveau but after some glitches I just > installed the proprietary nvidia-driver. This "new" laptop is 2016 > vintage with Quadro M2000 video, roughly equivalent to a GTX950 and > hence Maxwell-based. Even for it especially the power management and > video decode/encode acceleration support look pretty sad on the Nouveau > feature matrix (https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html). > > Not to mention the RTX3070Ti in my desktop. > > Still, impressive effort from the Nouveau project considering how many > chips Nvidia has pushed out over the years. > >
Changing hardware
Hi, My old core2 (8gb ram) died after a power cycle,so I bought an AMD Ryzen 5800 with 32Gb Ram and a new motherboard and a new nvidia graphics card.I converted the boot system over to EFI ( https://blog.getreu.net/projects/legacy-to-uefi-boot/). I was going to upgrade to Debian 11 anyway, but is there a way to update all the drivers and kernel to reflect the new hardware? Thanks James
Re: system76
On 1/15/22 7:38 PM, Yamadaえりな wrote: hello list I have thought about buying a laptop from system76 with linux pre-installed. What do you think of this manufacturer? Glad to hear from you. I've had a Meerkat for several months, and except for an occasional OS crash within 2 minutes of power-up (but never once the system was up long enough to actually do anything), it has performed well. -- JHHL
Re: [SOLVED] Re: Firefox: Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead for the USPS.com
On 1/4/22 11:33 AM, David Wright wrote: In fact, I was quite shocked when I just tried DNS over HTTPS for a couple of minutes. The 10-day weather profile that I screenshoot every day was plastered in popups. Anyone know how to combine DoH with resolving 14,000 addresses to 127.0.0.1? Also, does that mean that DoH attempts to resolve my local hosts before consulting /etc/hosts? I didn't stick around DoH long enough to find out. Yeef! Thoughts of the Homer Simpson catchphrase, and the boss adversary from Arkanoid (and its sequel, Revenge of DOH), come to mind. -- JHHL
Re: [SOLVED] Re: Firefox: Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead for the USPS.com
On 1/4/22 10:19 AM, Michael Stone wrote: And this is why putting stuff into /etc/hosts is basically never the right answer. :) Au contraire! Among other things, the host table is the best possible place to block access to certain unwanted domains. For example, if you add these entries: > 0.0.0.0 facebook.com > 0.0.0.0 www.facebook.com > 0.0.0.0 hi-in.facebook.com > 0.0.0.0 gl-es.facebook.com > 0.0.0.0 twitter.com > 0.0.0.0 www.twitter.com you can never be tricked into accessing Facebook or Twitter (for me, ONCE is far too many times), and if you add > 0.0.0.0 bing.com then bing-redirections will fail every time (and alert you to their noisome and all-too-common presence). And likewise, you might want to access other machines within your LAN by name, but your operation is not big enough to warrant bothering with an internal DNS, or you might need to access outside systems that, for various perfectly legitimate reasons, are kept off the public DNS. -- JHHL
Re: Slow disk reads - exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x6b0000 SErr 0x0 action 0x0
On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 22:09, Heladu wrote: > Dec 23 22:33:24 sigma kernel: [ 1250.855130] sd 5:0:0:0: [sda] tag#30 Add. > Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed That is a faulty disk. Replace it. It has already lost the data stored on one sector, and when this happens, more fail. The "slow disk" you are experiencing is the disk trying to re-read a faulty sector multiple times in the hope it will recover the data. The disk will automatically try to relocate this data to a different sector, and mark the bad one as bad. This is the "reallocate" feature it mentions in the error message. Except in this case, even though it tried to re-read the bad sector multiple times in the hopes of recovering it, it failed to do so, thus that sector's data is lost for-ever. It is 100% a faulty disk, and 0% a cable problem.
Re: GRUB really slow to boot
Looks like the fix is this: # If you need to disable # gfxpayload=keep on your system, just add this line (uncommented) to # /etc/default/grub: # # GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=text So, try just adding the above, then run "update-grub" to activate the change. The problem seems to be some GPU cards have faulty UEFI graphics, and switching grub to "text" mode works around the problem. There is even a set of already blacklisted GPUs in this file: /boot/grub/gfxblacklist.txt
Re: GRUB really slow to boot
On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 at 23:54, Greg Wooledge wrote: > The symptoms I experienced were BEFORE the kernel was executed. During > GRUB itself. While sitting at the GRUB menu. > > Once the kernel started running, everything was within normal expectations. > Sounds like a race condition or infinite loop in grub somewhere. I have seen articles about it that describe it as a slow display in grub. No solutions though. I suggest you take this up with the grub developers. There might be a debug mode for grub, so that you can help track down the problem for them. One question, does it boot faster if you just press enter at the grub menu, and don't wait for the counter?
Re: GRUB really slow to boot
Disk looks OK to me. Next, check no USB devices are connected while it boots. Disable "quiet" boot mode, so you can see all the boot up messages. This will give you an idea where it is going slow. On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 at 22:39, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 18, 2021 at 10:23:54PM +, James Dutton wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This is most likely a failing disk. > > Please post the output of: > > smartctl -a /dev/sda > > > > or whatever your disk device name is, if not sda > > > smartctl 7.2 2020-12-30 r5155 [x86_64-linux-5.10.0-10-amd64] (local build) > Copyright (C) 2002-20, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org > > === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === > Model Family: Toshiba 3.5" DT01ACA... Desktop HDD > Device Model: TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 > Serial Number:Y78SML4NS > LU WWN Device Id: 5 39 fd3d8d58f > Firmware Version: MS2OA800 > User Capacity:1,000,204,886,016 bytes [1.00 TB] > Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical > Rotation Rate:7200 rpm > Form Factor: 3.5 inches > Device is:In smartctl database [for details use: -P show] > ATA Version is: ACS-2, ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4 > SATA Version is: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s) > Local Time is:Sat Dec 18 17:38:18 2021 EST > SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability. > SMART support is: Enabled > > === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION === > SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED > > General SMART Values: > Offline data collection status: (0x84) Offline data collection activity > was suspended by an interrupting > command from host. > Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled. > Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine > completed > without error or no self-test has ever > been run. > Total time to complete Offline > data collection:( 7313) seconds. > Offline data collection > capabilities:(0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate. > Auto Offline data collection on/off > support. > Suspend Offline collection upon new > command. > Offline surface scan supported. > Self-test supported. > No Conveyance Self-test supported. > Selective Self-test supported. > SMART capabilities:(0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering > power-saving mode. > Supports SMART auto save timer. > Error logging capability:(0x01) Error logging supported. > General Purpose Logging supported. > Short self-test routine > recommended polling time:( 2) minutes. > Extended self-test routine > recommended polling time:( 122) minutes. > SCT capabilities: (0x003d) SCT Status supported. > SCT Error Recovery Control supported. > SCT Feature Control supported. > SCT Data Table supported. > > SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16 > Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: > ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED > WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE > 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x002f 100 099 016Pre-fail Always > - 0 > 2 Throughput_Performance 0x0027 142 100 054Pre-fail Always > - 71 > 3 Spin_Up_Time0x0023 127 100 024Pre-fail Always > - 180 (Average 180) > 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always > - 46 > 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005Pre-fail Always > - 0 > 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x002f 100 100 067Pre-fail Always > - 0 > 8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0025 118 100 020Pre-fail Offline > - 33 > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 096 096 000Old_age Always > - 34433 > 10 Spin_Retry_Count0x0033 100 100 060Pre-fail Always > - 0 > 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always > - 46 > 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 0x0032 100
Re: GRUB really slow to boot
Hi,
This is most likely a failing disk.
Please post the output of:
smartctl -a /dev/sda
or whatever your disk device name is, if not sda
Kind Regards
James
On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 at 16:09, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> Today I rebooted my machine for the first time in quite a while, after
> the kernel update that was released along with Debian 11.2.
>
> When it reached the GRUB screen, I pressed Enter, and nothing happened
> as far as I could see. I was initially worried that it had stopped
> seeing my USB keyboard (a thing that I've experienced with GRUB and
> certain USB slots on certain machines in the past). This keyboard
> plugged into this same USB slot had worked in previous versions of GRUB
> on this machine, though.
>
> The next thing I observed was that after 5 seconds, it still hadn't
> booted, nor had the coundown ("will automatically boot in 5s" or whatever)
> advanced. It appeared to be hung.
>
> I waited a bit longer, and the 5s changed to 4s. It just took a really
> long time (like 15+ seconds for each second on the timer).
>
> Eventually, after a minute or two, the system booted. Everything is
> working normally now, post-GRUB.
>
> Has anyone experienced this, or does anyone have ideas about how to
> prevent it happening again? I am not interested in trial and error
> for this, because it's far too annoying and disruptive. But if there
> are well-known ideas about things I could try (e.g. "grub 2.04 is known
> to have bugs on Intel motherboards, revert to 2.03") then I'm game.
>
> I Googled it, and the only hits I found were for people reporting slow
> interactivity with GRUB on high-resolution displays. I don't think my
> monitor is high resolution, and this has NEVER been a problem on ANY
> previous boot, with this same computer and monitor. I have not changed
> any hardware. Only software versions. (Of course, I can't rule out
> hardware going bad.)
>
> Here's the monitor, from xdpyinfo:
>
> screen #0:
> dimensions:1920x1080 pixels (508x285 millimeters)
> resolution:96x96 dots per inch
>
> Here's the other hardware:
>
> unicorn:~$ lspci -nn
> 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v6/7th Gen Core
> Processor Host Bridge/DRAM Registers [8086:591f] (rev 05)
> 00:01.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 6th-10th Gen Core Processor PCIe
> Controller (x16) [8086:1901] (rev 05)
> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 630
> [8086:5912] (rev 04)
> 00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 200 Series/Z370 Chipset
> Family USB 3.0 xHCI Controller [8086:a2af]
> 00:15.0 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH
> Serial IO I2C Controller #0 [8086:a2e0]
> 00:15.1 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH
> Serial IO I2C Controller #1 [8086:a2e1]
> 00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH
> CSME HECI #1 [8086:a2ba]
> 00:17.0 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH SATA
> controller [AHCI mode] [8086:a282]
> 00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH PCI Express Root
> Port #5 [8086:a294] (rev f0)
> 00:1d.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH PCI Express Root
> Port #15 [8086:a29e] (rev f0)
> 00:1e.0 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation 200
> Series/Z370 Chipset Family Serial IO UART Controller #0 [8086:a2a7]
> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH LPC Controller
> (H270) [8086:a2c4]
> 00:1f.2 Memory controller [0580]: Intel Corporation 200 Series/Z370 Chipset
> Family Power Management Controller [8086:a2a1]
> 00:1f.3 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 200 Series PCH HD Audio
> [8086:a2f0]
> 00:1f.4 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation 200 Series/Z370 Chipset Family SMBus
> Controller [8086:a2a3]
> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 10)
> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Dual Band Wireless-AC
> 3168NGW [Stone Peak] [8086:24fb] (rev 10)
>
> Here's the GRUB versions:
>
> unicorn:~$ dpkg -l grub\* | grep -v ^un
> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
> ||/ Name Version Architecture Description
> +++-=---=
> ii grub-common 2.04-20 amd64GRand Unified Bootloader
> (common files)
&
Re: Problems upgrading from Debian 10 to 11
On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 at 08:34, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Du, 12 dec 21, 11:25:14, James Dutton wrote: > > > > I am struggling to understand why debian would not move to the bug > > fixed version from upstream xorgxrdp ? > > Just to clarify, Debian has picked version 0.2.12 fairly randomly, > > without ever testing it. > > This is rather dismissive of the Maintainer's work. I apologise. > > > Version 0.2.12 results in xrdp having zero functionality. Think P1 here. > > The author of xorgxrdp acknowledges that 0.2.12 is faulty and should > > not be used at all, because it does not work at all. > > The author recommends moving to a version that actually works! > > But will Debian upgrade it... > > "Generally no, at least not in bullseye..." > > > > Where is the logic in that? > > Debian releases are built with the premise that versions shouldn't > change (that's what 'stable' implies). > > Over the years specific exceptions were accepted and xrdb might qualify > for one as well. > > Does a newer xrdp (e.g. the version in testing) even compile on > bullseye? > I tried the newer xrdp/xorgxrdp .deb from the debian repo, but they did not install (dependent on different libs not in Bullseye. I then compiled xrdp and xorgxrdp from git sources, and they compiled and ran ok in Bullseye. That is what I am currently using, as a work around, for the Bullseye problem I am having with xrdp. So, yes, a newer version of xrdp/xorgxrdp does compile and work in Bullseye. Are there any specific commands you would like me to run, to maybe test or compile a different version? I am happy to test anything that might help get a working xrdp, sooner rather than later in the debian bullseye repo. As some background. At work we have 100s of Linux virtual machines, hosted on our own physical hardware. I.e. not AWS etc. They cover test systems and production systems. The work laptops are Windows (all the outsourced company will support), and everyone uses windows "Remote Desktop Protocol" and "putty" (ssh) to access them. So, right now, xrdp not working kind of prevents any of those 1000s of Linux servers from moving to Bullseye. xrdp is actually an extremely useful tool, when integrating windows and Linux environments. So far, we have not discovered any other Bullseye packages that would prevent us using Bullseye, Kind Regards James
Re: Problems upgrading from Debian 10 to 11
On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 at 09:10, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Sb, 11 dec 21, 16:54:04, James Dutton wrote: > > Hi, > > > > After upgrading from Debian 10 to Debian 11, xrdp stopped working. > > Someone else has a very good description of the problem here: > > https://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=17113 > > > > Essentially, the problem is fixed by upgrading xorgxrdp to a version > > newer than 0.2.12. > > > > When I compiled the latest xrdp from the latest sources, xrdp worked again. > > Please can debian release a more up to date version of xorgxrdp? > > Generally no, at least not in bullseye, but if it is possible to > backport the fix it might qualify for a stable update. > > Is this your issue? > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=996176 > > Kind regards, > Andrei > I raised this bug: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1001539 It is similar to the one you mention. I am struggling to understand why debian would not move to the bug fixed version from upstream xorgxrdp ? Just to clarify, Debian has picked version 0.2.12 fairly randomly, without ever testing it. Version 0.2.12 results in xrdp having zero functionality. Think P1 here. The author of xorgxrdp acknowledges that 0.2.12 is faulty and should not be used at all, because it does not work at all. The author recommends moving to a version that actually works! But will Debian upgrade it... "Generally no, at least not in bullseye..." Where is the logic in that?
Problems upgrading from Debian 10 to 11
Hi, After upgrading from Debian 10 to Debian 11, xrdp stopped working. Someone else has a very good description of the problem here: https://c-nergy.be/blog/?p=17113 Essentially, the problem is fixed by upgrading xorgxrdp to a version newer than 0.2.12. When I compiled the latest xrdp from the latest sources, xrdp worked again. Please can debian release a more up to date version of xorgxrdp? Extract from the URL above: Root Cause of the issue We had to look a little bit further in order to find out what it’s really causing the issue. Based the the bug/issue reported to the team behind xrdp software (see https://github.com/neutrinolabs/xorgxrdp/issues/156), the problem is only present when using the xorgxrdp package version 0.2.12. Previous version of Debian (Debian 10) was using the package version 0.2.9 and we didn’t encountered the issue…Debian 11 is shipping with the problematic version (i.e. 0.2.12) and this explain why the connection is failing. The only fix proposed by xRDP team is basically to upgrade the xorgxrdp package to a more recent version which is exactly what’s happening when you are performing the custom installation….
Re: Don't try this at home kids
On 11/29/21 2:41 PM, Jeremy Ardley wrote: P.S. I am totally unconvinced about the arguments for using sudo rather than running as root. You can do exactly the same damage with sudo as being root user. P.P.S The conventional instruction is to use visudo to do the edits. Which means using Vi, which is another anachronism that should be humanely put down. That's about the size of it. I've used forty-year-old non-full-screen editors that are a hundred times more intuitive than vi is. And the only reason ROOT access is more dangerous than, say, QSECOFR access on OS/400 (or whatever IBM is calling it this week) is because there's nothing stopping a Linux ROOT from doing things *nobody* should be allowed to do without putting the system into some kind of maintenance mode. I have access to a number of Amazon Linux virtual boxes, that don't like password authentication in general (preferring certificate authentication . . . which authenticates the BOX that is ssh-ing in, but not the WARM BODY between the chair and the keyboard). And if you have a system that doesn't allow ROOT to sign on, and doesn't allow you to SU, then you can achieve the same result by doing sudo bash -- JHHL
Re: Leibniz' "best of all possible worlds" ...
>>> I also wonder how Leibniz is relevant to this scenario ... When I think of Leibniz, I think of calculus (and rejoice in the fact that the only calculus I still have to deal with is what the dentist has to jackhammer off my teeth [before it turns into partial differential equations]). When I think of "the best of all possible worlds," I think of Candide (take your pick: Voltaire, Bernstein, or both), and I think of the old chestnut that "an optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds, while a pessimist fears that the optimist is right." When I went to Long Beach State, we used CDC Cybers. Which was a major culture shock after using an IBM 370/135 (running McGill University MUSIC), going from 8-bit EBCDIC to 6-bit CDC Scientific (with no room in the character set for any control characters!) Still, if I were going to a school where WinDoze was compulsory, I'd find another school. -- JHHL
Re: openssh server remote access
That's 'systemctl status ssh' without the 1) of course.I meant to put more steps but decided not to -- James B portoteache...@fastmail.com Em Sex, 22 Out ʼ21, às 00:18, James B escreveu: > Hi Semih, > > In my opinion, I would go back to basics first.You may have installed > openssh but it doesn't necessarily run by default (for reasons that > will make sense when you look at it further).Do you know how to start > systemd services? It looks to me like your ssh server isnt' running.So, > run (with sudo privileges or root and presuming you're on a normal > variant of Debian and not one with an alternative init system such as > SysV) > > 1) systemctl status ssh > > Post the result please > > JB > > -- > James B > portoteache...@fastmail.com > > Em Sex, 22 Out ʼ21, às 00:05, David escreveu: >> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 09:53, Semih Ozlem >> wrote: >> >>> From:Semih Ozlem >>> To:Debian Users , >>> ubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com >> >> Please, do not send individual messages to more than one >> mailing list. >> >> It is rather unfriendly to everyone else that reads each list, because >> we do not see any conversation that occurs on the other mailing list. >> >> Please confine any conversations that you have, on any mailing list, >> entirely to that one mailing list. Sure, you can ask the same question >> on multiple mailing lists at the same time, but please keep them >> as separate conversations.
Re: openssh server remote access
Hi Semih, In my opinion, I would go back to basics first.You may have installed openssh but it doesn't necessarily run by default (for reasons that will make sense when you look at it further).Do you know how to start systemd services? It looks to me like your ssh server isnt' running.So, run (with sudo privileges or root and presuming you're on a normal variant of Debian and not one with an alternative init system such as SysV) 1) systemctl status ssh Post the result please JB -- James B portoteache...@fastmail.com Em Sex, 22 Out ʼ21, às 00:05, David escreveu: > On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 09:53, Semih Ozlem > wrote: > >> From:Semih Ozlem >> To:Debian Users , ubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com > > Please, do not send individual messages to more than one > mailing list. > > It is rather unfriendly to everyone else that reads each list, because > we do not see any conversation that occurs on the other mailing list. > > Please confine any conversations that you have, on any mailing list, > entirely to that one mailing list. Sure, you can ask the same question > on multiple mailing lists at the same time, but please keep them > as separate conversations.
Re: openssh server remote access
Hi Semih, Could you post the exact wording of the error message please? Best JB -- James B portoteache...@fastmail.com Em Qui, 21 Out ʼ21, às 21:41, Semih Ozlem escreveu: > Hi everyone, > > I set up an openssh server and I am trying to access that machine remotely > (not from the local network. but from another ip address). I get an error > (something about port 22). What setting needs to be checked and what needs to > be done on the machine that openssh server is running and on the router that > machine is connected to, so that openssh server can be accessed remotely? > > Thank you > > Semih Ozlem
question from total newbie. a little help please
if i divide my hard drive and install debian lynx on it. will i be able to effectively run debian on this laptop? Device name LAPTOP-R4DB7V5U Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-10110U CPU @ 2.10GHz 2.59 GHz Installed RAM 4.00 GB (3.81 GB usable) Device ID CAACC244-37B7-4294-84E4-E73B9C030FDF Product ID 00356-02325-39311-AAOEM System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display Edition Windows 10 Home Version 21H1 Installed on 4/2/2021 OS build 19043.1288 Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.3920.0 i know about enough to fill a thimble but i'm hopeful and any guidance would be greatly appreciated and i would follow it to the T's
Re: usb audio interface recommendation
I have used Behringer audio interfaces with Linux for some years now and they always seem to be a good reliable bet for this.On a basic level, the U-CONTROL UCA-222 is a great simple little 2 in 2 out box that retails for about £20.I've also got the UMC1820 (if you want more functionality) and the little 2 in 2 out version of it (think it's the 202) that both perform well in Linux.I use both Audacity and Ardour, and have used Qtractor.Ardour does work on a multichannel basis with the UMC1820.You really need to get to grips with Jack for more serious audio work though J -- James B portoteache...@fastmail.com Em Qua, 29 Set ʼ21, às 09:15, Linux-Fan escreveu: > Russell L. Harris writes: > >> Needed: a USB audio interface which "just works" with Debian 9, 10, >> 11 on i386 and amd64 desktop machines. The newest of my machines is >> several years years old and has both black and blue USB ports. > > I am using an SSL 2 here: > https://www.solidstatelogic.com/products/ssl2 > > Tested successfully with Debian 10 amd64 and Debian 11 amd64 each with ALSA > + PulseAudio non-professional audio. In case you consider buying it, I might > be able to do a basic test with a Debian 11 i386, too. > > Caveat: I have found the interface to only be recognized properly if I > attach it _after_ PulseAudio has already started up. Hence, I have it > disconnected by default and upon needing it, first start `pavucontrol` and > only afterwards attach the interface. > > Btw.: I saw you asked about the Motu M2 earlier > (https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/09/msg00958.html). Was there any > progress in getting it to run properly? A cursory internet search suggests > that there were problems wrt. old kernels and PulseAudio. Additionally, some > tuning to reduce kernel latency might be needed? See > https://panther.kapsi.fi/posts/2020-02-02_motu_m4 for a summary. > > Back when I searched for audio interfaces, I had also considered the > Zoom > UAC-2 > (https://www.zoom.co.jp/sites/default/files/products/downloads/pdfs/E_UAC-2.pdf). > > > Reviews seemed to indicate acceptable Linux compatibility, but I do not > have > any first-hand experience with it. > > HTH > Linux-Fan > *who uses the SSL 2 for video conferencing* > > öö > > [...]
Re: Write *once* storage (was Re: write only storage)
On 9/21/21 10:21 AM, Steve McIntyre wrote: . . . WORM is Write *Once* , not Write *Only* "Write only" storage is easy and fast - just throw things at /dev/null and they can never be altered (or read back). Quite. Or to paraphrase something I said, that actually got published in some magazine dealing with IBM Midrange systems, "A data Roach-Motel: data goes in, but it doesn't come out." -- JHHL
Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement
On 9/18/21 2:19 AM, Jeremy Ardley wrote: My experience is that toner does degrade over a period of years. To get full life you need to use your advertised pages within a year or so. Agreed. I've seen toner cartridges go bad. Of course, they had been sitting on a shelf for *many* years. -- JHHL
Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement
On 9/18/21 2:00 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: The direction of travel for printing is entirely driverless, so this is less important than it used to be. Really? If true, that is exceptionally good news. The last time I looked at new printers, the "direction of travel" was entirely driver-dependent, RIPping the PostScript, PCL, or straight ASCII in the driver, rather than in the printer's own processor and firmware, and anything that could RIP a PostScript data stream directly would have cost a fortune. -- JHHL
Re: Your Thoughts on Printer Replacement
Personally, I wouldn't accept an inkjet as a gift. You use them like crazy, and you go through absurdly overpriced cartridges like crazy. You *don't* use them like crazy, and those absurdly overpriced cartridges clog, and you still go through them like crazy. And the pages come out soggy, and are even more vulnerable to water damage than what I write with my fountain pens. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing they're good for is edible printing, and for what little of that I do (typically one page every few months), it's far cheaper to email an image to the local cake supply, and have them do it. (The first rule of edible printing is you don't run anything but edible ink in that printer. The second rule of edible printing is you *DO NOT* run anything but edible ink in that printer. And you still don't talk about Fight Club.) I have had three monochrome laser printers (an HP 4ML, followed by an HP 2100M, which I then replaced with a rebuilt 2100M, which I still have. And I've had two color laser printers, a Samsung CLP-315, bought new and used until it wore out, followed by a rebuilt Samsung CLP-415, which I still have. And I have an ALPS MicroDry, that I bought used, after they'd been discontinued. Before the Samsungs, bought a Xerox color laser. It went back to Staples the day after it arrived: It was a lot bulkier in real life than it was in the pictures, it made the devil's own noise when it was running, and it claimed to be a PostScript machine, but curled up its toes and said "helll meee" if I actually fed it a PostScript data stream. That's not to say that the Samsungs will do anything if fed PostScript, but at least they were relatively inexpensive, as well as being almost as compact and quiet as my 2100M. What I've seen of HP lasers more recent than the 2000-series has not impressed me. That's a major reason why I went with a rebuilt 2100M, instead of something more recent. That and the fact that being able to accept and RIP a PostScript data stream, fed through a Centronics port, is a non-negotiable requirement for me: it's either that, or I have to dump the data stream to a file, distill it into a PDF, and print that. -- James H. H. Lampert Professional Dilettante
Re: Can surf the internet, but not my home network...
On 9/15/21 10:51 AM, nimrod wrote: Hi, my devices (pc, laptops, smartphone) all can surf the internet without problems. So one would say that the router is working properly. But computer A cannot access computer B via SSH as it's alwais being doing for years, and viceversa. They cannot even ping each other. No firewall on them at all. Computer A can ping computer C instead, and viceversa. No PC can access the printer website nor print any more. Nor can I scan documents as I could before, because the scanner is part of the printer. All the devices are listed in the router's web administrative interface, but some have a green dot, some other a grey dot, apparently without a meaning, because some active device has the grey dot and some the green dot though it's even turned off. Just one PC is running Windows, all the other three are running Debian. Another interesting fact is that I can print documents with my smartphone accessing the printer via DirectWiFi. If I understand it right, DirectWiFi doesn't make use of the router. And here is the router info: Product Vendor: Technicolor Product Name: AGHP Serial Number: CP1911TAAWE Software Version: 19.4 Such devices, usually distributed by TIM in Italy, don't seem the most performing on the market, but it's still very difficult to use another one with most italian providers. Otherwise I would change it immediately with a better and customizable one. I really cannot figure out what's happening. Any hint would be very much appreciated. I'll just ask for a bit of information that might help people on the list get a better idea of what's going on. You mentioned computers A, B, and C. Which OS does each computer run, specifically? And please confirm: A & B cannot see each other, but A & C can see each other? What about B-to-C connections? When you try to ping or connect via SSH from A to one of the other devices which fails to respond, are you using the remote devices' IP addresses or their names? Is IPV6 being used on the network, or just IPV4? Is the router handing out IP addresses via DHCP, or are the addresses statically set? If the router really is part of the problem, and if no one can help you with this router, is it possible / permissible to place a different router as a client of the current router, and then connect all of your network devices to that second router? I use this sort of setup so that the ISP can happily verify that they have provided service to my location without allowing them to control the router that really matters. I'm sorry to say I'll be away for a couple of days and unable to participate, but there are many others here better qualified than I to help you. If you provide a little more information, that may help them to help you. Good luck!
Re: problem with sound for bullseye upgrade on amd64: must be root for sound to work on my machine
I finally got my sound working. I followed some advice from here: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/alsa-1-2-5-upgrade-errors-4175695921/page3.html which was a similar problem to mine, and not sure what did it, but I got a flash pop up on my screen about alsa, and tested all things working now. Man, what a frustration. Otherwise, the bullseye upgrade has been flawless for me so far. On 8/25/21 2:30 PM, James D Freels wrote: Thanks for responding Georgi, I had already tried "alsactl init" earlier based on other advise found on the WWW. However, I did not pay close enough attention because of error messages I get as shown below: alsa-lib main.c:1014:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:0 use case configuration -2 Found hardware: "CMI8786" "CMI8786" "CS4245 CMI8786" "0x1043" "0x8467" Hardware is initialized using a generic method alsa-lib main.c:1014:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:1 use case configuration -2 Found hardware: "USB-Audio" "USB Mixer" "USB046d:082c" "" "" Hardware is initialized using a generic method alsa-lib parser.c:260:(error_node) UCM is not supported for this HDA model (HDA NVidia at 0xfe9fc000 irq 49) alsa-lib main.c:1014:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:2 use case configuration -6 Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Nvidia GPU 51 HDMI/DP" "HDA:10de0051,38422724,00100100" "0x3842" "0x2724" Hardware is initialized using a generic method I cannot find much about this message, nor how to correct it. The alsamixer seems to work fine as expected and indicates I have the sound card active and should hear sound. But, it only provides actual sound if I am root. On 8/25/21 1:28 PM, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: Hi James, try to run: # alsactl init as root, reboot and adjust all channels with alsamixer or similar with your (non-root) user. Kind regards Georgi On 8/25/21 20:02, James D Freels wrote: I have not received a response yet, but I am hoping. What I know: -sound works as root, not as user -snd_oxygen module (required driver for my card) is loaded, but I can't verify what is loading it. no messages in dmesg show it being loaded -since snd_oxygen is loaded, it makes sense that aplay works as root -pulse does not show the sound card, but does show the hdmi audio on my nvidia card, and the microphone on my web cam. Both are muted in pavucontrol -big question: why doesn't sound card get loaded by pulseaudio ? How can I force that -I am now going over every occurrence of a pulseaudio configuration file on my system for a clue Any help appreciated. Is there a good troubleshoot procedure for debian/11/bullseye sound problems ? On 8/24/21 3:05 PM, James D Freels wrote: Hello, I am a long-time debian user, and just recently upgraded my buster amd64 machine to bullseye. Essentially everything works as expected so far. However, one very nagging problem I currently have is that my sound does not work unless I am rooted. For example, if I issue the command aplay bark.au where bark.au is a snippet sound file of a dog barking, it fails. However, if I issue the command sudo aplay bark.au it works fine. Similar sound playing occurs with any sound-playing app. For example mpg123, vlc, etc., all require a sudo or be logged in as root to work. I have looked all around the WWW to try to find a solution to this problem. The most common solution is to make sure that user ids are in the audio group in the /etc/group configuration file. Of course, I have that, and have confirmed it. This is not a brand new installation after all, but an upgrade. Other common remedies I have tried are to fiddle with the pavucontrol and alsamixer settings. My sound card does not show up in the pavucontrol (pulse doesn't find my sound card), but DOES show up in the alsamixer. I have also looked at the debian sound wiki, and other sources to try to fix this problem. Then, I remembered that I often used this form to learn about debian way back in the days when I first started using debian about 1994 or so. Perhaps I can get some expert help. Maybe a source I can go down a list of troubleshoot to nail this one down. It is obviously a permissions issue (I also looked at device permissions, etc.). Just a bit puzzled and frustrated. P.S. BTW, my sound card is a C-Media, Xonor DG with chip set CMI8788 and uses the oxygen HD audio driver. lspci -v output corresponding: 05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. CMI8786 (Xonar DG) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 22, NUMA node 0 I/O ports at e800 [size=256] Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: snd_oxygen
Re: problem with sound for bullseye upgrade on amd64: must be root for sound to work on my machine
Thanks for responding Georgi, I had already tried "alsactl init" earlier based on other advise found on the WWW. However, I did not pay close enough attention because of error messages I get as shown below: alsa-lib main.c:1014:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:0 use case configuration -2 Found hardware: "CMI8786" "CMI8786" "CS4245 CMI8786" "0x1043" "0x8467" Hardware is initialized using a generic method alsa-lib main.c:1014:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:1 use case configuration -2 Found hardware: "USB-Audio" "USB Mixer" "USB046d:082c" "" "" Hardware is initialized using a generic method alsa-lib parser.c:260:(error_node) UCM is not supported for this HDA model (HDA NVidia at 0xfe9fc000 irq 49) alsa-lib main.c:1014:(snd_use_case_mgr_open) error: failed to import hw:2 use case configuration -6 Found hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Nvidia GPU 51 HDMI/DP" "HDA:10de0051,38422724,00100100" "0x3842" "0x2724" Hardware is initialized using a generic method I cannot find much about this message, nor how to correct it. The alsamixer seems to work fine as expected and indicates I have the sound card active and should hear sound. But, it only provides actual sound if I am root. On 8/25/21 1:28 PM, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: Hi James, try to run: # alsactl init as root, reboot and adjust all channels with alsamixer or similar with your (non-root) user. Kind regards Georgi On 8/25/21 20:02, James D Freels wrote: I have not received a response yet, but I am hoping. What I know: -sound works as root, not as user -snd_oxygen module (required driver for my card) is loaded, but I can't verify what is loading it. no messages in dmesg show it being loaded -since snd_oxygen is loaded, it makes sense that aplay works as root -pulse does not show the sound card, but does show the hdmi audio on my nvidia card, and the microphone on my web cam. Both are muted in pavucontrol -big question: why doesn't sound card get loaded by pulseaudio ? How can I force that -I am now going over every occurrence of a pulseaudio configuration file on my system for a clue Any help appreciated. Is there a good troubleshoot procedure for debian/11/bullseye sound problems ? On 8/24/21 3:05 PM, James D Freels wrote: Hello, I am a long-time debian user, and just recently upgraded my buster amd64 machine to bullseye. Essentially everything works as expected so far. However, one very nagging problem I currently have is that my sound does not work unless I am rooted. For example, if I issue the command aplay bark.au where bark.au is a snippet sound file of a dog barking, it fails. However, if I issue the command sudo aplay bark.au it works fine. Similar sound playing occurs with any sound-playing app. For example mpg123, vlc, etc., all require a sudo or be logged in as root to work. I have looked all around the WWW to try to find a solution to this problem. The most common solution is to make sure that user ids are in the audio group in the /etc/group configuration file. Of course, I have that, and have confirmed it. This is not a brand new installation after all, but an upgrade. Other common remedies I have tried are to fiddle with the pavucontrol and alsamixer settings. My sound card does not show up in the pavucontrol (pulse doesn't find my sound card), but DOES show up in the alsamixer. I have also looked at the debian sound wiki, and other sources to try to fix this problem. Then, I remembered that I often used this form to learn about debian way back in the days when I first started using debian about 1994 or so. Perhaps I can get some expert help. Maybe a source I can go down a list of troubleshoot to nail this one down. It is obviously a permissions issue (I also looked at device permissions, etc.). Just a bit puzzled and frustrated. P.S. BTW, my sound card is a C-Media, Xonor DG with chip set CMI8788 and uses the oxygen HD audio driver. lspci -v output corresponding: 05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. CMI8786 (Xonar DG) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 22, NUMA node 0 I/O ports at e800 [size=256] Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: snd_oxygen Kernel modules: snd_oxygen Nothing has changed with the hardware, and I know the setup works. This seems to be a permissions/software issue. -- Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine. Luke 22:42 NLT James D. Freels, Ph.D., P.E. freel...@gmail.com 865-457-6742 (landline) 865-919-0320 (cell)
Re: problem with sound for bullseye upgrade on amd64: must be root for sound to work on my machine
I have not received a response yet, but I am hoping. What I know: -sound works as root, not as user -snd_oxygen module (required driver for my card) is loaded, but I can't verify what is loading it. no messages in dmesg show it being loaded -since snd_oxygen is loaded, it makes sense that aplay works as root -pulse does not show the sound card, but does show the hdmi audio on my nvidia card, and the microphone on my web cam. Both are muted in pavucontrol -big question: why doesn't sound card get loaded by pulseaudio ? How can I force that -I am now going over every occurrence of a pulseaudio configuration file on my system for a clue Any help appreciated. Is there a good troubleshoot procedure for debian/11/bullseye sound problems ? On 8/24/21 3:05 PM, James D Freels wrote: Hello, I am a long-time debian user, and just recently upgraded my buster amd64 machine to bullseye. Essentially everything works as expected so far. However, one very nagging problem I currently have is that my sound does not work unless I am rooted. For example, if I issue the command aplay bark.au where bark.au is a snippet sound file of a dog barking, it fails. However, if I issue the command sudo aplay bark.au it works fine. Similar sound playing occurs with any sound-playing app. For example mpg123, vlc, etc., all require a sudo or be logged in as root to work. I have looked all around the WWW to try to find a solution to this problem. The most common solution is to make sure that user ids are in the audio group in the /etc/group configuration file. Of course, I have that, and have confirmed it. This is not a brand new installation after all, but an upgrade. Other common remedies I have tried are to fiddle with the pavucontrol and alsamixer settings. My sound card does not show up in the pavucontrol (pulse doesn't find my sound card), but DOES show up in the alsamixer. I have also looked at the debian sound wiki, and other sources to try to fix this problem. Then, I remembered that I often used this form to learn about debian way back in the days when I first started using debian about 1994 or so. Perhaps I can get some expert help. Maybe a source I can go down a list of troubleshoot to nail this one down. It is obviously a permissions issue (I also looked at device permissions, etc.). Just a bit puzzled and frustrated. P.S. BTW, my sound card is a C-Media, Xonor DG with chip set CMI8788 and uses the oxygen HD audio driver. lspci -v output corresponding: 05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. CMI8786 (Xonar DG) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 22, NUMA node 0 I/O ports at e800 [size=256] Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: snd_oxygen Kernel modules: snd_oxygen Nothing has changed with the hardware, and I know the setup works. This seems to be a permissions/software issue. -- Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine. Luke 22:42 NLT James D. Freels, Ph.D., P.E. freel...@gmail.com 865-457-6742 (landline) 865-919-0320 (cell)
problem with sound for bullseye upgrade on amd64: must be root for sound to work on my machine
Hello, I am a long-time debian user, and just recently upgraded my buster amd64 machine to bullseye. Essentially everything works as expected so far. However, one very nagging problem I currently have is that my sound does not work unless I am rooted. For example, if I issue the command aplay bark.au where bark.au is a snippet sound file of a dog barking, it fails. However, if I issue the command sudo aplay bark.au it works fine. Similar sound playing occurs with any sound-playing app. For example mpg123, vlc, etc., all require a sudo or be logged in as root to work. I have looked all around the WWW to try to find a solution to this problem. The most common solution is to make sure that user ids are in the audio group in the /etc/group configuration file. Of course, I have that, and have confirmed it. This is not a brand new installation after all, but an upgrade. Other common remedies I have tried are to fiddle with the pavucontrol and alsamixer settings. My sound card does not show up in the pavucontrol (pulse doesn't find my sound card), but DOES show up in the alsamixer. I have also looked at the debian sound wiki, and other sources to try to fix this problem. Then, I remembered that I often used this form to learn about debian way back in the days when I first started using debian about 1994 or so. Perhaps I can get some expert help. Maybe a source I can go down a list of troubleshoot to nail this one down. It is obviously a permissions issue (I also looked at device permissions, etc.). Just a bit puzzled and frustrated. P.S. BTW, my sound card is a C-Media, Xonor DG with chip set CMI8788 and uses the oxygen HD audio driver. lspci -v output corresponding: 05:02.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio] Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. CMI8786 (Xonar DG) Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 22, NUMA node 0 I/O ports at e800 [size=256] Capabilities: [c0] Power Management version 2 Kernel driver in use: snd_oxygen Kernel modules: snd_oxygen Nothing has changed with the hardware, and I know the setup works. This seems to be a permissions/software issue. -- James D. Freels, Ph.D., P.E. freel...@gmail.com 865-457-6742 (landline) 865-919-0320 (cell)
Re: Relatively boring bullseye upgrade reports
Another for the list, Dell/WYSE Zx0 box, with AMD G-T56N cpu and 8gb flash drive.Used for offsite playback of my home media via DWService and as a gateway to my home network.Installation worked perfectly - no issues at all. -- James B portoteache...@fastmail.com Em Sex, 20 Ago ʼ21, às 10:22, Reco escreveu: > hc2: Samsung Exsynos 5422-based board, Odroid HC2 > Currently stores backups. > > Nothing to report, the upgrade went smoothly. > > Reco > >
Re: Debian 11 is released!
Well done to all - long live Debian!. Heartfelt congratulations and thanks from a long term user who wishes he could contribute more back :( -- James B portoteache...@fastmail.com Em Sáb, 14 Ago ʼ21, às 22:54, piorunz escreveu: > Thanks all Debian devs and users, after over 2 years, new version is > here! I am running it already on two computers and couldn't be more > happier :) > > > -- > > With kindest regards, piorunz. > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org > ⠈⠳⣄ >
Re: Hardware life expectancy
On 7/25/21 6:38 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: . . . Nowadays, I'm still planning to use that same Thinkpad X30 to display PDFs in the classroom (when I get to meet students physically again), and more than half of my machine are older than 10 years old. Better yet, they don't seem significantly slower than my newer machines. So, yes, 10 year old machines and still very much relevant. I'm still making productive use of a G4 "bionic desk lamp" iMac, and of a DOS/Linux dual-boot that I built from mostly cast-off parts, a few of them even older than the iMac. And I will continue to do so even once I get my new Meerkat fully deranged to suit my tastes. But on the other hand, computers are not Linotype machines (I regularly operate one from 1954: that's eight years older than I am), and aren't built to last forever. (The speaker on the iMac quit some months back, and it now has a chronic overheating problem.) -- JHHL
Re: MDs & Dentists
"Immutable backups." Interesting concept. But how? Optical media? Enormous decks of Hollerith cards? Enormous reels of punched paper tape? So far as I'm aware, there is *only one* operating system currently in wide use, that has never been successfully infected with malware outside of laboratory experiments: the IBM Midrange operating system that goes by such names as OS/400 and i5OS (among others, and although I work with it on a daily basis, I've long-since given up keeping track of what IBM is calling it in any given week). But Linux comes a lot closer to being malware-secure than WinDoze, or even Mac OS, which is one reason why, with my "bionic desk lamp" iMac on its last legs, instead of buying another Mac, or a WinDoze box, I bought a Meerkat. As to MDs and Dentists making poor decisions where computers are concerned, it's not just healthcare professionals: over a quarter century ago, I spent about a year trying to fix the hidden flaws in a small business accounting program. It had been written, not by a programmer, but by an accountant. In C. It was his first non-trivial program in a language other than BASIC. And it ran on the Amiga. Aggressively multitasking within itself, on a platform where there was no memory protection, and nothing but "good intentions" to keep one task from stomping all over another task's memory. It nearly killed me. -- James H. H. Lampert
Re: Offensive variable names [was: Cool down ...]
I know people who associate the time-honored metasyntactic "foobar" with the military slang acronym FUBAR. -- JHHL
Re: Hi there, test only, please ignore
On 6/17/21 1:25 AM, Grzesiek wrote: test I got your test message. As it happens, we just went live with DMARC, and have reason to do some testing ourselves. -- JHHL
Slightly off-topic: anybody know of a way to keep one's Debian User List posts from failing DMARC?
Please excuse the off-topic post, but I'm hoping this has come up with others here: I've been tasked with implementing DMARC on our domain. And I'm told that the Debian List Server doesn't rewrite "From" headers for DMARC-enabled senders, and neither does it do anything else to handle DMARC-enabled senders. -- James H. H. Lampert Touchtone Corporation
Re: thunderbird
On 5/31/21 5:55 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 2021-05-30 at 20:59, James Wallen wrote: On 5/30/21 8:03 PM, rust wrote: On 5/30/21 9:00 PM, James Wallen wrote: If I could find a text / TUI mode calendar to work with mutt I'd certainly like to switch. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "work with mutt", but khalendar is pretty cool. I'm unable to locate "khalendar" in the repositories. I can't even find mention of it in general search engines. Is there a home url for it? Does the "k" at the beginning of the name indicate that it is part of kde? I had the same problem, but a bit of guesswork involving 'apt-cache search alendar' led me to the package 'khal', which looks like probably what was being referenced. Thanks. For some reason it didn't occur to me in this instance to search for a part of the name I was given. I did try several altered spellings, but I kept on including the front of the word. Thunderbird and its calendar (derived from Lightning) are nicely integrated, with the exception of the calendar requiring a lot of mousing around to use it. You can send and receive invitations or assignments for appointments / events / tasks. I'm sure it's nice, but I don't use it myself (despite being a longstanding user of Thunderbird), specifically because it is integrated; I want a standalone calendar tool, and in fact I found Sunbird (which I understand to be the ancestor of Lightning) almost ideal, back before the ability to build that separately was dropped. Yes, I used to use Sunbird. The PIM was an important piece of software, but it seems to have gone the way of the dinosaur -- probably because of smart phones??? I don't own a smart phone. For my tastes and purposes smart phones just don't work. Thank you for helping find khal, and please let us know if you find a really nice stand-alone calendar -- because that would work nicely for me if I switch to mutt or neomutt. JPW
Re: thunderbird
On 5/30/21 8:03 PM, rust wrote: On 5/30/21 9:00 PM, James Wallen wrote: If I could find a text / TUI mode calendar to work with mutt I'd certainly like to switch. JPW I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "work with mutt", but khalendar is pretty cool. I'm unable to locate "khalendar" in the repositories. I can't even find mention of it in general search engines. Is there a home url for it? Does the "k" at the beginning of the name indicate that it is part of kde? Thunderbird and its calendar (derived from Lightning) are nicely integrated, with the exception of the calendar requiring a lot of mousing around to use it. You can send and receive invitations or assignments for appointments / events / tasks. JPW
Re: thunderbird
On 5/30/21 5:18 PM, Charles Curley wrote: On Sun, 30 May 2021 16:56:17 -0400 James Wallen wrote: If I could find a text / TUI mode calendar to work with mutt I'd certainly like to switch. Take a look at claws-mail's calendar plug-in. Not text, but it might let you use claws-mail. Thanks! I should have looked a bit more carefully when I thought of claws-mail. I'm beginning to get the idea that claws-mail works best if you install every associated package. That's not something I normally do when testing new (to me) packages, but I guess it's what works best with claws-mail. On my system the mouse is used almost exclusively for aisleriot and mahjongg. I'm particularly fond of software that lets me keep my hands on the keyboard. I use window tiling features under Xfce4 and a suite of software that lets me largely avoid the mouse. I'll give claws-mail a try. JPW
Re: thunderbird
On 5/30/21 3:48 PM, Dan Ritter wrote: fxkl47BF wrote: for a few decades i have used pine/alpine. i'm considering a new mail application. there are more out there than you can shake a stick at. what are your thoughts of thunderbird. It's very popular with people who need to point-and-click at everything. If you are willing to invest an hour or two into learning it, mutt is the best mail user agent available, especially when you have local mail storage and can install one of the mail search companions, plus a filtering system like courier's mailfilter. -dsr- I'd prefer to use a client like mutt, but I've resorted to using Thunderbird because I find the integrated calendar to be useful. Incidentally, I can use all of Thunderbird's mail functions from the keyboard. But I do have to use the mouse almost exclusively for controlling the calendar, which has actually got worse about this issue in the most recent versions. If I could find a text / TUI mode calendar to work with mutt I'd certainly like to switch. JPW
Re: About Terminal on Buster
On 5/27/21 2:14 PM, IL Ka wrote: "gpm" ? I believe this is a mouse server for the virtual terminal running in the virtual console (aka "text mode") X11 uses its own mouse drivers. In modern versions they are based on libinput. There are several types of "clipboard" in X11: one is called "PRIMARY selection" and another is "CLIPBOARD" itself: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/139193 Ya, I was thinking of the console. It's good to have you and Greg to keep me on track. I have spent most of my life wandering about in the darkness depending upon others to shine a little light at me now and then. ;-)
Re: About Terminal on Buster
On 5/27/21 1:59 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 06:47:04PM +0100, mick crane wrote: Is there not a program required to do that mouse, click, drag, select ? I recall with various installations that worked then it didn't and it worked after installing "g something something" It might have been "d something something" with a g in there. Was definitely 3 letters and began with a "g" or a "d". No, there is no separate program required to do standard mouse-based X11 copy/paste. It's absolutely fundamental. Install xterm if you haven't already, and then run it. Inside the xterm, highlight something with the mouse, and then click the middle button, and it will paste the thing you've selected (assuming you haven't left your shell, or put your shell into a nonstandard mode). I don't know what you're thinking of, but it was probably unique to some set of applications you were using at the time. I joined the conversation late without referring to earlier messages, and suggested gpm. I was thinking about copying and pasting into /from the console. If we're talking about terminal emulators, yeah, all of them I've used "just work" with copy and paste. I show gpm to folks who seldom use the console and who want to use their mice in the TTY. Or does mouse-based copy and paste also work from console these days? I always use screen or tmux, so am able to keep my hands on the keyboard as where they work with reasonable efficiency. BTW, Greg, I'd like to express my appreciation for wooledge.org and so much other information you've provided the community. It's a remarkable resource. JPW
Re: About Terminal on Buster
On 5/27/21 1:47 PM, mick crane wrote: It might have been "d something something" with a g in there. Was definitely 3 letters and began with a "g" or a "d". "gpm" ? I know. I can never remember its name when I want to install it on someone's system.
Re: 🔥 Sponsored post on https://debian.org
The price is our souls, and we all agree that's too high. Hmm. Isn't that also the price of anything sold at Wal-Mart? * * * At least the OP was polite enough to *ask* about posting ads, rather than just *doing* it. -- JHHL
Re: Debian-friendly laptop
I'd recommend a HP ProBook.I have the 15" 6570b from 2012/13 and it's a great machine.A bit chunky now compared to new generation machines but still a nice looking laptop and very solid and well built, with a good screen.Best thing about it is that the bottom panel slides off with no screws to remove at all when you push aside the two thumb sliders - then, everything upgradeable is exposed. What a brilliant idea - why don't more manufacturers do that? The business docks for these are fairly common on the *bay - I got one for about £40 and it's so useful. -- James B portoteache...@fastmail.com Em Qua, 19 Mai ʼ21, às 18:46, Martin Smith escreveu: > On 19/05/2021 16:32, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Mi, 19 mai 21, 11:06:44, Celejar wrote: > >> On Wed, 19 May 2021 17:27:16 +0300 > >> Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> > >>> On Mi, 19 mai 21, 07:58:05, Celejar wrote: > >>>> > >>>> My previous main machine had been a T60. I gave that up when its > >>>> keyboard failed. I know that one of the main selling points of > >>>> ThinkPads is their keyboards: they are certainly very good, but > >>>> apparently they don't last forever ;) > >>> > >>> At least they are easy to replace, or for other components (e.g. CPU > >>> fan) the manual with detailed explanations is readily available (been > >>> there, done that). > >> > >> True, although "easy" is debatable. I suppose that if I could do it, it > >> must be easy :/, and I'm sure it's easier than with other machines. > > > > Let me qualify that then: at least to replace the CPU fan assembly for > > my late R61 all I needed was a suitable screwdriver, basic dexterity, > > some other means to display the manual and patience. > > > > According to the instructions one should be using new screws every time, > > but reusing them once or twice is possible, unless the heads are > > destroyed in the process. > > > > There are probably tear-downs available on Youtube for those who would > > like to see that for themselves. > > ifixit.com is highly recommended for teardowns of lots of machines > especially Lenovo, I have used it myself several times > > > -- > Martin > >
Re: How to capture composite video
On 5/17/21 9:39 AM, Charlie Gibbs wrote: I have a number of VHS tapes which I'd like to digitize, and I'm trying to figure out where to start, hardware- and software-wise. Do you have a DVD-R video recorder? Simplest way I know is to dub the VHS to DVD, at which point accessing the video from your computer should be absurdly simple. -- JHHL
KDE and Pulseaudio; swapping users
Hi, Does anyone have a solution for the problem that when I switch users, to have any sound as the new user, I have to su to root to kill the other users Pulseaudio. If I don't do this I'm left with a dummy sound card. Thanks James
