Re: Some initial problems to solve...
On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 10:18:31PM +0200, Julio Merino wrote: On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 08:29:44PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 02:43:51PM +, Frederico S. Muñoz wrote: - I can't mount the linux partition (settrans -fg /linux /hurd/ext2fs /dev/hd0s2), it computes ok but when I try to access it it either freezes or says something akeen to the 1GB error (more info on that one tomorrow, I really don't recall the exact error) How big is the linux partition? Around 9GB That's much too big. There is currently a limit at 1 GB or so. The Hurd can't handle such big partitions. (It will later, though). Sure? So, why can I mount my 1,7 GB linux partition? You were lucky. We can't compute a hard limit, but the whole disk has to be mapped into the available virtual memory, which is addressed by 32 bit. BTW, I have changed my hard disk now, so when I can get another time Hurd installed I will check it with my bigger partitions. You should stick with the ~ 1 Gb limit until the install manuals tell you otherwise. Thanks, Marcus
Re: ATTN: pjw@edmc.net
On Fri, Mar 31, 2000 at 11:19:40PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Blacklisters may have the right to speak and *say* what they think I should do, but they have no right to be heard. If you have the right to refuse to listen to me on my terms, I have the right to refuse to listen to you on yours. Yes, but you have not the right (what loaded words!) to close the bug reports. Feel free to ignore them, but don't close them without a better reason. Someone else might want to take alook into it, and listen to the submitter. (And be able to contact him). Also, it might be that the submitter reads the bug archive to correspond with you. I don't know if you were serious or not, but I think the whole discussion got well out of hands. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org Check Key server Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.orgfor public PGP Key [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cross-compiler patch for GCC
On Thu, Dec 30, 1999 at 11:00:45AM +0100, Raphael Bossek wrote: hi, i done a patch against gcc 2.95.2-4 which allows to create cross-compilers using the -t options of dpkg-buildpackage. Nice, can you send it to me, too? i will also test dpkg-cross Note that this is not necessary or even useful for building the cross compiler itself, as a cross compiler is a native build. Thanks, Marcus i've here a problem with the naming of the new created packages. using the existent techniques within the package i can only call them arch-os-name for instance powerpc-linux-gcc or powerpc-linux-libstdc++-dev. is that allowed by the policy? Can't see why it should be forbidden, but I would prefer name-arch-os. Why is this not possible? Marcus -- The purpose of Free Software is Free Software. The End and the Means are the same. -- Craig Sanders Marcus Brinkmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making Debian packages cross-compiler ready!
On Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 01:15:17AM +0100, Raphael Bossek wrote: i would like to have a cross-compiler support in the debian packages by default so i can specify extra gcc options or define the name of gcc or other binutils for instance like the linux kernel Makefile it does. are there any kind of idears how i this problem can be solved? See dpkg-architecture(1), which I wrote, also see dpkg-cross. However, every package needs to be treated individually, there is no king road to cross compilation. See glibc for a package which does it well (without dpkg-cross even). Some bug reports I did file to get cross compilation working, but I stopped persuing this for a while. i found that the glibc/libc6 package have allready first steps in this directions on the other hand the gcc package is not cross-compile ready :-( Note that gcc is very special, as it wants to compile itself. Marcus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Restarting Daemons on package install/upgrade.
On Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 03:59:46PM -0500, Greg Stark wrote: Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Dec 24, 1999 at 10:07:38AM +0100, Christian Kurz wrote: Well this works for people that use the old init-style with links in /etc/rc* and won't work for people like me that use file-rc. Please provide first a solution for both cases. Then we can send out bugreports and fix those packages. I sometimes wish we could settle on some of these key technologies, like the two rc schemes, and inetd versus xinetd. It would make a lot of things similar. Imagine if we had two menu systems. Similar confusion happens with the documentation systems. I disagree, I think we should settle on an interface that allows multiple implementations. Settling on the sysv init.d would be a tie us to something many people despise with a passion. It would make it hard to ever switch to anything more flexible. Wholeheartedly agreed. There is no way for example Debian GNU/Hurd will stay with sysv forever... it's simply too limiting. Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org Check Key server Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.orgfor public PGP Key [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where is /etc/rc.d/rc.local on Debian?
On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 11:38:40AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sun, Mar 28, 1999 at 11:07:46AM +0200, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote: On debian-devel there has been talk about a better setup with dpkg-like dependancies. This is a good thing. You don't have to bother with at which priority to place a new service. You can just say this service must be started after networking and name services are available. Oh, this would really rock if it would work for xdm; if I could say only start xdm once getty has grabbed all the virtual consoles listed for this runlevel in inittab. Please coordinate with Hurd author Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED]. He is thinking of such a beast for the Hurd, and he can share you his ideas (and in fact, chances are that Debian GNU/Hurd would use this setup right from the beginning). (the hurd currently uses a primitive BSD style and has no runlevel concept) (I am in progress of porting sort-of sysvinit to the hurd as an interim solution, but a makefile style'ish setup is the long term goal). Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Zombies
Package: procps Version: 1:1.9.0-2 Severity: wishlist On Fri, Mar 26, 1999 at 10:58:10PM -0600, Kent West wrote: BTW, has anyone else noticed that the manpage for ps(1) is uglier than sin? Whose idea of nroff formatting is that? Mine looks okay; well, other than it being a man page and I find most man pages ugly to begin with, but only because I speak English instead of Developer :) (why don't they ever give real-life examples of the command instead of just techno-speak?) It's not a man page at all. Especially, the author seems to be completely ignorant of any text formatiing system. Yeah, this is a bug report. ps (1) should be a man page formatted in the troff format. Thanks, Marcus .\ Man page for ps. .\ Quick hack conversion by Albert Cahalan, 1998. .\ Licensed under version 2 of the Gnu General Public License. .\ .\ This man page is a horrid hack because *roff sucks. .\ The whole system is way obsolete. The internal header .\ stuff must die, and will when I figure out how to kill it. .\ I've already killed the wasteful left margin and screwy .\ old perfect justification. Gross! You'd think someone .\ invented this crap in 1973. Oh yeah, they did. .\ .TH PS 1 July 5, 1998 Linux Linux User's Manual .SH \fRNAME\fR ps \- report process status .ad r .na .ss 12 0 .in 0 .nh .nf SYNOPSIS ps [options] DESCRIPTION ps gives a snapshot of the current processes. If you want a repetitive update of this status, use top or gtop. This man page documents the /proc-based version of ps, or tries to. -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: slackware 4.0
On Wed, Mar 24, 1999 at 12:32:03PM -0800, Kenneth Scharf wrote: So will a slackware with the 2.2 kernel and glibc2.1 beat debian and redhat? Yes, in terms of unstability for sure. If it would be as easy as getting glibc 2.1 from cvs and the kernel from kernel.org and recompiling the software, it would still take some time (recompiling 1500 packages for glibc needs a few days), but we would still beat everyone. Alas, we also want the software to be fully functional. If you need/want bleeding edge, Debian unstable is *always* released :) Thanks, Marcus running Debian GNU/Linux AND Kernel 2.2 AND glibc 2.1 -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: The GNU thing
On Wed, Mar 24, 1999 at 06:51:49AM -0600, Jonathan Guthrie wrote: On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, David B. Teague wrote: The importance of compilers was one reason I chose to license Linux under the GNU Public License (GPL). The GPL was the license for the GCC compiler. I think that all the other projects from the GNU group are for Linux insignificant in comparison. I think this statement is absolute truth. Linux wouldn't exist without GCC, but it certainly could without textutils or shellutils and suchlike. interesting opinion. Maybe you never tried to dpkg --purge --force-depends --force-essential those packages. Sure, you may miss boring things like cat, echo, date for a few days (after you got used to it), well, after you managed to log in your broken system. The boot scripts won't run at all without bash and those tools... Sure, make is irrelevant. We can use any broken make from other systems (are there other make's?), except for some programs which require GNU make. You won't be able to compile in a sub directory, though, using VPATH. This may prevent compilation of quite some Debian packages. but, without the above tools, you won't be able to compile them anyway. Personally, I'd miss perl a lot. Too bad that its configure script checks for cat and alike. I have heard that BSD has replaced some of the tools. Maybe it would be possible to port them to linux. But then, some sort of textutils you need. In this regard, I find Linus' comment utterly bullshit and closed-minded. OTOH, I would not hesitate to call Linux insignificant, compared with the GNU projects. Marcus readying his flame-proof suite. -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Less DEB Package
On Tue, Mar 23, 1999 at 09:43:17PM +0100, Sami Dalouche wrote: I'm surprising by the number of Deb package because all Softs are splited for ? Debian Policy reasons. But why do not, for example the pkg : tetex-bin tetex-base tetex-extras Why not spliting These 3 pkg into one and making new options to dpkg common to all package like this -install-base -install-extras -install-bin This would make dpkg even more bloated than it is. This is not the right solution. into one like RPM with an option -without-doc... The packages would be bigger but it's not alwways a problem... Well, but the size is one reason to split. Wh should I download 8 MB's which don't get installed? This slows things down, too. The real solution is to make the front end easier to use (hide library packages, group packages together in meta packages etc). This will be addresses for example in apt. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: A few problems
On Sun, Mar 21, 1999 at 07:40:09PM -0500, Richard Heller wrote: Next problem: Netscape. I downloaded Netscape Communicator 4.51 from Netscape's homepage and installed it. The first time it ran, it said it needed libg++.so.27. I finally found the library and installed it, but now Netscape segmentation faults when I run it. Any idea why it would do that? How about using the Debian packages instead? (in non-free) Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: I can't beleive this
On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 08:05:01AM +0800, ivan wrote: Having overcome the partitioning issues, the installation is still a pain. My experience with Linux is limited to Debian having started with the frozen Bo. Since then I have had to reinstall at least 20+ times because I simply didn't understand the options that were being given to me during the install and thus configured the system wrongly. You don't need to reinstall to reconfigure parts of your system or single packages. I can hardly understand what options would require a reinstall if given the wrong answer (beside partitioning, I think). Again I would like to suggest that the install could be made much easier with a couple of (not necessarily simple) changes. For instance, providing a kernal with SB16/AWE32/AWE64 support already present and working. The kernel can't guess or detect the interrupts and ioports. AWE cards also require often pnp set up. You are asking for too much. However, ALSA will have better sound support and auto detection. The OSS Lite sound driver is really crap. Same also with PPP which most people want - if they didn't have modems they wouldn't be on the net and so, probably, wouldn't have discovered Linux anyway. Did you try pppconfig? It is started automatically in recent boot disks (since hamm, I think). During the install itself there are too many packages being put on the system IMHO. Why not install just ae (or joe or ee or ...) instead of all of these easy to use editors plus emacs plus vi plus xemacs ? Are emacs and xemacs both with standard priority? I am not sure if you complain about too many packages being standard, or about too much choice. There will be a good approach for the second problem in apt gui (supersets or alike). The first needs explanation. VI should be on any Unix-like system. Emacs _is_ standard. I agree that not both emacs and xemacs should beinstalled automatically. Why not, if a X type setup has been chosen just install Netscape (plus maybe Lynx) instead of NS, Lynx, Mozilla, W3 etc ... These sorts of examples just go on and on. Netscape is not part of Debian, sorry. I would find it VERY annoying if selecting X would select a web browser, too. Again, I don't know what you exactly are complaining about (see above). I don't know about anybody else but I keep asking myself why, if the installation is as easy as the propaganda suggests, so many newbies keep asking the same questions ? We can't do it right for everyone. If a certain problem is really obvious, sometimes someone volunteers to implement a clean solutiopn. I remember the time when PPP configuration questions were popping up every two days or so on debian-user, adn then some nice guy wrote pppconfig. I hardly see a PPP related question on debian-user anymore. PS. I am aware that installing an OS is not a little thing but that comment sums up how I felt. BTW, the reason I perservere now with Linux is that I can see the potential and still refuse to be beaten. I figure if even one other person can make the whole thing work then so can I. I will not stop until I win. That's the right attitude! Seriously: There is room for improvement, but some things that look like small steps are really big steps. They will be made, but we'll need some time. I think people are expecting too much from Linux. Okay, we have hundreds and thousands of developers, but everyone doing it voluntarily and in spare time (well, some are paid, but they are the exceptions). Then, Linux is only 5 or 6 years old (the kernel). There is older software, too (GNU), but nevertheless, it a is surprisingly short time. Compare this with MS Windows, who didn't manage to get a stable operating system at all after years of $$$ development. And then, when MS releases BS, people live with it. In Linux, everyone wants the most perfect solution right now. That's okay, it is motivating, but only if it is mentioned in an ebcouraging way. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: I can't believe this
On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 09:42:32AM -0800, fockface dickmeat wrote: Could you tell me how? Run pppconfig from the pppconfig package. Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: I can't beleive this
On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 09:41:44AM +0800, ivan wrote: At 10:38 PM 3/18/99 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: You don't need to reinstall to reconfigure parts of your system or single packages. I can hardly understand what options would require a reinstall if given the wrong answer (beside partitioning, I think). Unfortunately (?) I have had a nicely working Debian system for many months now can't remember ! Ah, I thought you'd speak of old boot disks only, but I wasn't sure. If you have a chance, try the latest boot disks from slink (or even hamm), for exmaple when installing Debian for a friend. They have much improved. Essentially it was a case of not knowing the software config packages well enough at that stage to setup just the package that was causing me trouble. Understandable. We need a good Debian book, luckily, multiple such projectas are under work. Coming from the Windows world - when something doesn't work reinstall the OS ! :) Again I would like to suggest that the install could be made much easier with a couple of (not necessarily simple) changes. For instance, providing a kernal with SB16/AWE32/AWE64 support already present and working. The kernel can't guess or detect the interrupts and ioports. AWE cards also require often pnp set up. You are asking for too much. However, ALSA will have better sound support and auto detection. The OSS Lite sound driver is really crap. I can understand you saying that it is difficult but I can't understand you saying impossible. I don't remember the exact quote, but usually saying it's impossible in the Free Software world means, well, that's very hard to do, and I don't know how and don't have the time to find out how to do it :) From what I understand RH at least has working autodetect and along with OSS it has been proved to be possible. Yes, it is. Still, OSS is semi-free software (OSS lite is free, the official costs bucks), and is not worth working much on. Alsa, as I said, will have support for multiple sound cards and better auto detection. I also understand that Debian doesn't want something that just limps along - we want something that is truly good. That's fine and understandable. All I was doing was making comments on the difficulties that I feel need resolving at some stage in the future. Yes, you raise valid points. Unfortunately, they are blatantly obvious, and everybody is aware of them :) Even worse, the correct solution is not as obvious as the problem. I bow to your acknowledged expertise in this area :) But somewhere along the line the kernel must make interrupt allocations and record them. Yes, when it allocates them. But then it is too late for autodetection. What I was suggesting was something along the lines of (for pnp): Have a precompiled kernel available that has sound But which sound driver? The kernel can't have all sound drivers compiled in, only one. So you have to use modules anyway. Autoexecute isapnp This can actually hang your machine, which is a first problematic step! Automodify the config file with reference to the kernel list of already allocated interrupts Hehe. That's nice. But you need somelogic for that. Oh, and, you definitely want to fix the problem that it doesn't detect all ports of the AWE cards. Recompile just the sound module to reflect the correct interrupt/ioports as detected by isapnp This would requrie a complete development system and kernel source,abut isn't necessary. sound modules should accept parameters io=yyy irq=zz, and the latest versions does. Or maybe there's an alternative to isapnp somewhere ? Latest kernels have PNP support, and ALSA has its own pnpsupport, too. Then there is Tom's PNP project (or sim.). here is a lot of things going on, and over time, they will merge to a whole. But as I said, let's wait for Alsa, which will sove a lot of our problems in the sound area. Same also with PPP which most people want - if they didn't have modems they wouldn't be on the net and so, probably, wouldn't have discovered Linux anyway. Did you try pppconfig? It is started automatically in recent boot disks (since hamm, I think). yes - great script ! It's more a case that I feel that the default kernel should have the ppp (amongst other things) compiled in. I guess what I want is to completely avoid the configure modules stage of the installation unless I have particularly unusual requirements. I don't like the module screen, too, it should be optional. An alternative would not be to compile everything in, but to use the auto-module-loader kmod by default. There are IMHO too many packages installed as standard many of which I haven't even looked at yet myself despite using Linux daily. This creates the second problem of too much choice for the new user. As I said above, I feel one low power easy to use editor will do just to get the new user going same as notepad in windows. Just remember
Re: I can't beleive this
On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 11:02:19PM +0800, ivan wrote: Understandable. We need a good Debian book, luckily, multiple such projectas are under work. If they are online books perhaps you could point me to the authors - maybe some help is needed ? (I'm not keen to work voluntarily for commercial productions) Dale Scheetz wrote a book, but it is sort of commercial (you can get it on the web and read it, but you must not reprint it). IIRC, it's available at www.linuxpress.com (Dale, beat me if this is wrong). But the Right Thing (tm) is definitely to join the Debian Documentation project, please join debian-doc@lists.debian.org, and check the mailing list archive and the web pages (sorry, no URL I can remember, start from Debian home page). Everybody can write documentation, you don't need to be registered developer or such. Yes, it is. Still, OSS is semi-free software (OSS lite is free, the official costs bucks), and is not worth working much on. Alsa, as I said, will have support for multiple sound cards and better auto detection. I haven't heard of alsa previously - I can see I have some research to do Start from http://alsa.jcu.cz As I said, for the braindead windows user, a simple end user linux should be prepared. Everyone else will have to swallow our philosophy anway, so why not right from the start... Definitely a very good idea - is someone working on this or is there an abandoned project ripe for takeover somewhere ? Mmmh. www.seul.org comes to mind, but I am not sure if it relates to Debian at all. They seem to use RH 5.2 as a base. Then, what I've seen doesn't look very appealing to me, but that's just me (I won't go into detail, because I have only taken a very short look, and I don't want to be unfair). If people are reading this and want to start such a project, they should cooperate with the Debian developers, because many improvements can directly go into the distribution, too, which makes the task easier for everyone. But then, my personal believe is that you can reach easy maintainebility and installability (are those actuall WORDS??) within the usual unixish mainframe. Well, let me rephrase it: After a while, you seldom notice something new :) Some new requests pop up, some vanish, but over a long time they stay the same. It's not too bad to get reminded often, but I would be more happy if people would include patches :) Having had the benefit of hindsight I may have kept my mouth shut :) I also am beginning to recognise the same complaints occurring time and again and realise that I have added to the general overflow of adding complaints without proposing realistic solutions. Well, actually, there are some things that were useful. Someday I may file a few bugs against the boot floppies. [...] That's just a suggestion. There are zillion ways to help. A web page probably isn't realistic for me at the moment as I don't know how long I will be staying with this isp. www.debian.org can host the site :P (no more excuses :) As it happens I have a 486 with 2Gb h/d just laying around - to think I never thought of using it in this way. Thank you. I have a couple of smail networking problems to resolve (keep your eyes open for my questions when they come !) and will go this route. If you want, you can join the debian-testing team (subscribe like to any Debian mailing list), where the installation of the distribution is tested before release. ps. I wonder about your .sig - is there a meaning to this ? `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Sure there is. I just have to find out what. Beside the obvious, that rhubarb is definitely no egyptian god (which is in fact true). :) Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: your mail
On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 09:52:03AM -0500, Steve Przepiora wrote: Hi, I was wondering how debian automatically generates menus when you install new stuff. It happens in the package menu. There is a script called update-menus which runs special programs for each window manager. You can even add your local overrides in /etc/menu or so. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: I can't beleive this
Hi, On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 04:37:06PM -0500, Michael Stenner wrote: You're complaints hardly apply only to the computer world (I know you didn't say they did). People just EXPECT everything in general. That bugs me to no end also, but in this case, there's nothing wrong with WANTING an easy OS. Make it idiot proof and there will be an idiot who breaks it. I am not opposed against making things easier. But, as usually, making it easier for everyone is very complex. Linux is very young. Give it another two years, and installation and setup tools will spring up like mushrooms. What's WRONG with autodetecting hardware and installing drivers? It doesn't work reliable. It wouldn't even work reliable if we had all the necessary specs and standards. And that's a very big if. Sure, it messes up sometimes, but then you just do it by hand, like you do EVERY time in linux. Another reboot in the dust. Why spend your time on auto detection? Wouldn't it be better to make it easier to set it up manually? If you can detect parts of your system 100% reliably, I am all in favour. Otherwise, let'smake the things easier that works. I'm just saying that the IDEA is a good one. The code is REALLY bad, but we've got lots of good programmers... You are dreaming. We have not enough programmers for everything. We have a lot of people talking, and we have even more people complaining. We have also lots of ideas. But we dont' have enough specs, and we don't have enough programmers (multiplied by hours). If you want to proof me the oppsoite, I'll be positively surprised (note, this is not particularly directed at you) Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: I can't beleive this
On Sun, Mar 14, 1999 at 08:05:11PM +0800, ivan wrote: George, I know you know that Windows _does_not_delete_ the alien filesystem :) Try to install MS DOS 6.0 It will insist of *erasing* the complete disk, *repartitioning* it to one big partition, and then install DOS. It will NOT let you do anything else. It checks if there are other partitions, and won't install, but suggest to delete them. it says the disk is not prepared for MS-DOS Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: I can't beleive this
On Sun, Mar 14, 1999 at 12:35:44PM -0500, William Schwartz wrote: That is why when you insert the DOS disks (dos 6.22 for example) you dont just let it do what it wants to do... You can still hold the right hand shift key while starting and it will skip the boot files... You can then run FDISK manually to do what you want to... Yes, but you won't be able to use the SETUP program to install a version of DOS on a spare partition. At least I didn't found a way. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: C Program confused me
On Sat, Mar 13, 1999 at 01:57:58PM +0800, ivan wrote: Check out sci.math the sci.math FAQ (lost the url-sorry) - the faq has extensive descriptions of several different algorithms for calculating pi. I don't know if it's there, but I like the Monte Carlo method the best. You draw a circle in a square (diameter two, square has edges of length two, too). Then you throw stones and count the nr of stones in the circle, C, and the number of stones in the square but not in the circle, S, (stones outside of the square don't count at all --- ignore them). Then 4*C/(C+S) is near pi. Of course, you would need a good random number generator to implement this. /dev/urandom will be slow, but a good choice. Also, to implement this, I would use coordinates that go diagonally through the square (then a stone is inside the square iff |x+y| = 1, which is hopefully faster then |x|=1 and |y|=1, and in the circle, iff x²+y²=1, which is fast, too) If you use or = shouldn't matter, because a line has no area (the limit should be the same). But then, this is not the best method to calculate PI, but it has interesting philosophical implications if you try to define it this way (or even if you want to proof that this definition is equal to other). Sorry, I was carried away :) Maybe we need debian-math. Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: What is Debian's verdict on Qt's recent acceptance of QPL-1.
On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 07:12:44PM -0500, Shaleh wrote: I remember there were some question marks about just how free the QPL licence really was. And questions about whether Debian would accept it as a free license. Now that Qt is finally licenced under it, what is the verdict? Is it good enough? it is good enough. RMS is on the books saying it is free, but not GPL compatible. Once a QT is released based on this, most of KDE and other apps should be free to move to main. If you (or RMS) write (or say) that it is not GPL compatible, how can you link KDE with it and move the result to main? Just curious. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: What is Debian's verdict on Qt's recent acceptance of QPL-1.
On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 08:42:21PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Marcus writes: If you (or RMS) write (or say) that it is not GPL compatible, how can you link KDE with it and move the result to main? The KDE folks also must fix their license and get permissions from the authors of GPL works that they have ported. They are reported to be doing so. I don't want to wake sleeping dogs, but why do they do it now and not with the original Qt license (which was all we were asking for back then)? Oh well, I better shut up before someone listens... thanks Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: what is SGML? [long]
On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 02:11:01PM -0800, Henry Kingman wrote: Besides HTML, two really important DTDs are CAL, used by the US Defense Department, and Docbook, used in publishing and elsewhere. There are some other important ones that I can't remember. One is TEI, for sure. At least in Linguistic research. Many vertical industries (i.e., small electronic parts industry) will standardize on a DTD for the purpose of electronic data interchange (a kind of wholesale-level electronic commerce) or other kinds of communication. Also the legal industry is a big SGML user. Isn't SGML used for databases, too? Not all data is stored in SGML directly as the main format, but SGML can be used as an interim format from your database to an extract of it (or collection, statistic, dictionary, whatever). One cool thing about SGML is that you can pretty easily fun smile=yescreate your own markup system/fun. Then you can mark up your documents with your own custom tags that make sense to you for your purposes. Like if you are creating a menu you have entreeleg of lamb/entree and it becomes really easy to markup. You leave the formatting to the browser, which knows that entrees are supposed to be 14-pt Garamond, either because it was programmed that way or because a style sheet tells it so. Yeah, here is where DSSSL comes in. For everyone: DSSSL is just another standard, which describes how you can layout a SGML document written for one specific DTD. You can also transform one type of DTD into another. The problem is that nice performing DSSSL engines are expensive. The only usable free one is Jade by James Clark. Unfortunately, there is no free Text Engine (Word processor) which can cope with the complexity of layout specificable by DSSSL. TeX comes close, but is too hard to control to be very useful (programming tex is like walking on soap and eggs, only harder). If there would be a good layout engine, writing a good DSSSL engine wouldn't be too hard (in Scheme, preferable). People involved in SGML tend to be a little fanatical about thinking it is the only proper format for data, and so forth. I recall sitting there listening to Charles Goldfarb lecture to our class. He was saying ^^^ Wow!!! something like, Once your data is in SGML, you can easily convert it to any other format du jour, such as HTML or the latest Word format. Or you can just leave it in SGML. At that point he wrote Leave in SGML on the board and it struck me that it was an anagram for Evangelism, as long as you write it in a circle so that it repeats infinitely, i.e. LeaveInSGMLeaveInSGMLeaveInSGMLeaveInSGML... *rotfl* Agreed. What is pretty disturbing is that they are very interested in stadardization, but when it comes to code, they are somewhat sloppy. I would prefer a less standardized format if you could get good free software that supports it. Jade doesn't buy it, as the back ends are too complex and not flexible enough (or not easily programmable, like TeX). Thanks for your information, it was interesting to read! Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: what is texinfo?
On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 11:12:43AM -0800, Eliezer Figueroa wrote: Yesterday I was reading a man page that told me that the official info I was looking was in texinfo. What is that? , Cause I searched in dselect and I did not found any program called texinfo texinfo converts special tex files into info documentation. texinfo is not available standalone in Debian (that's sad), but it is in tetex-base. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: IRC stuff (was: bitchx (sucks!))
On Tue, Mar 09, 1999 at 03:40:22PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: I would try talking to them, inviting them to participate in whatever the channels mission is, what else could I do? Then you don't understand the nature of these people. It is like going into alt.nuke-the-usa (I think that is it) and trying to rationally discuss topics with anyone there. No, it is not the same. In the one case, the other one is making the effort to come to you, in the latter case you are making an effort. Such a discussion is obviously not welcome on this newsgroup, why should I annoy them? For reference, antu is a newsgroup dedicated to going into other newsgroups and starting flamewars just to do it. There are always (at least) two parties participating in a flamewar. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Gnome 1.0 debs?
On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 07:40:06PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Couldn't .debs that aren't 100% at least go into potato? That's what unstable is for isn't it ? We had this before, and it was unconvenient at least because of the complicated net of dependencies. The gnome stuff depends on many libraries, and if I compile something with a newer library they might be incompatible and your whole installation goes nuts and everything. It is much better for everyone if we compile a full set of packages in a staging area first and then move the whole set to potato once it looks ready. The staging area is not a secret, it is publically available, too, for developers and testers. Check the dtk-gnome mailling list archiv if you are interested (or devel-announce). Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: New Install
On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 09:22:43PM -0500, Joe wrote: I am trying to install Official Debian 2.0 in my 48ram, 166meg, P.B. system. I get to (A)ccess, It asks me for Where to install from with chooses of CD, Floppy, Ect. When I choose CD-ROM, I go into a screen that asks for CD, and block device. I don't know what a block device is, or what my CD-ROM drive is. Any help? There are two possible cases (three really). You have a normal ATAPI CD ROM on IDE controller. Check if this is on your primary IDE controller, or on your secondary. Also, if it is Master or Slave. Probably the information is in the BIOS. (modern BIOS show a list of four IDE devices: 1 AUTO LBA would be a hard drive at master/primary 2 CDROM would be CD ROM at slave/primary 3 AUTO LBA again hard drive 4 NONE ooops. empty Those four ports are called /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, /dev/hdc, /dev/hdd under Linux. A block device transmits data in blocks instead of byte by byte. Don't worry, you don't need to know what a block device is. If you have SCSI, the names are /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, /dev/sdc, etc. When Linux boots, you can see the auto detection working. If you want to halt the messages, press the key between break and print (roll on my keyboard). Ther terminal will stop and you can go up with SHIFT+ PG UP and down with SHIFT+ PG DOWN. Press again Roll to continue with start up. YOu should try to get he online information (Install Manual) Hope that helps, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Fwd: Re: bitchx (sucks!)
On Tue, Mar 09, 1999 at 02:06:18PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: The ability of some IRCers to blatantly ban entire countries because of the acts of a few is why EfNet is in a decline. Too many little kids fighting for power in a virtual medium. It's funny in a sad sort of way. It was on dal.net and undernet, not efnet. I've not been on efnet in 5+ years for other reasons. And in each case we were justified. When we get 20-30 people form the same country trying to clone us off a channel each week and maybe 1-2 legit users each month for maybe 10 minutes, well, you do the math. Yeah, why should we try to improve our social life when a simple ban command makes us feel powerful. Banning and ignoring is the simplest way to deal with social problems. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Fwd: Re: bitchx (sucks!)
On Tue, Mar 09, 1999 at 02:55:43PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: No, banning is the way to get control of an otherwise unwieldy situation. Have you been on a channel that gets 10-20 clone/flood attacks per week? You can that a social problem but tell me, exactly how would *YOU* solve it, hmm? There is no general solution to such a problem, but I have seen worse in Real Life. Sure, you can lock the door, but then? I would try talking to them, inviting them to participate in whatever the channels mission is, what else could I do? Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: the g in libraries (was: where is xlib6g-dbg ?)
On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 11:13:30PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote: On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 02:33:39PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Libraries that have packaged for the first time after the release of hamm typically do not have a libc5 compatibility version, and omit the g. This is the reason why I'm asking. The mentioned package is being built for the first time - so why are you including the 'g'? If the soname changes, the g can be dropped. But if the soname is the same, the g stays. Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Debian Logo *Idea* Contest! (Delay for painting contest required)
On Mon, Feb 22, 1999 at 12:27:28AM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Marcus Brinkmann wrote: This is silly. You are ruling out a hell lot of possibilities without technical reasons. I think both is possible, a logo without Debian and a logo that plays with the letters Debian. My examples may be bad but one of the requirements (not made by me) was that the logo needs to look good with and without the Debian words. I fully agree to this that the logo is something different than a letterset. The letters may be added afterwards but the logo shouldn't contain them (except it is some abstraction like Ean's DG). You are wrong. The original rules were written by Wichert Ackermann, and did not contain this inappropriate limitation. The text was actually crippled by the person who put the rules on the gimp page, probably because he though that this would be obvious. (unfortunately, this is not the only thing that happened along the way. The person who put the text on the web page did drop some other important information, too, originally). Here is Wichert's original wording: * works both with and without text at the bottom (can be ignored if the text `Debian' is part of the logo) You can read the full text in Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please stop making the claim that the logo must not contain the word Debian at all. Thank you, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Debian Logo *Idea* Contest! (Delay for painting contest required)
On Sun, Feb 21, 1999 at 11:02:32PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote: Last point, opposing to Joey, I do think that the word Debian should be integrated in the logo, for example if the idea of the escape is taken, the bottom of the sheet could be merged in the i of Debian. Well, you're allowed to have a different oppinion than me, however this wouldn't fit logo rules. This is silly. You are ruling out a hell lot of possibilities without technical reasons. I think both is possible, a logo without Debian and a logo that plays with the letters Debian. Think of 0---0 0 0 0 logo 0 Debian GNU/Linux - the universal operating system 0 0 0---0 0---0 0 0 0 logo 0 0 0 0---0 Debian GNU Hurd Such positions of letters won't be possible. As top of a web page you'll probably want to use the first one, but for logos on t-shirts letterheads and stuff you'd like to use the second one. Easy. Use the logo which somehow consists of Debian and do: ++ || | DEBIAN | GNU/Linux - the universal OS. || ++ GNU/Hurd Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: entry #2 [was: Debian Logo *Idea* Contest!]
On Thu, Feb 18, 1999 at 09:12:49AM -0600, Gordon Matzigkeit wrote: Andreas Tille writes: AT So let us define first, *what* we want to show on our logo. This AT is always the first step in software related things. Wy did we AT step over it?? I'd like to see the black silhouette of a realistic gnu, trotting towards the future. Cartoonish, stylized GNUs are already taken by the FSF. I think a silhouette would be very elegant, easy to reproduce, and recognizable. Any gnuish animal would have strong connotations to GNU. There is also the problem of trademarking. A gnu variation has a lot of the problems of a penguin variation. Thanks, Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Strange 'find' result
On Tue, Feb 16, 1999 at 05:31:22PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote: On Mon, 15 Feb 1999, Mitch Blevins wrote: In foo.debian-user, you wrote: Can somebody explain this to me? $ find /cdrom -iname wx* $ find /cdrom -iname wxx* /cdrom/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-i386/libs/wxxt1_1.66d-2.deb Why does the first 'find' query give no results? Are you quoting the argument to avoid shell expansion? $ find /cdrom -iname 'wx*' No. I just did it as it was printed above. Today is another day. I did the same thing and here is the result: (I was in my home directory as I was yesterday) [EMAIL PROTECTED](8)$ find /cdrom -iname wx* find: paths must precede expression Usage: find [path...] [expression] [EMAIL PROTECTED](9)$ cd / [EMAIL PROTECTED](10)$ find /cdrom -iname wx* /cdrom/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-i386/doc/wxhelp_1.66d-2.deb /cdrom/debian/hamm/hamm/binary-i386/libs/wxxt1_1.66d-2.deb Anyhow, it is not a problem for me. I was just curious on why the strange result. Now I am wondering why I did not get the same result today? Eh, note that find does special optimization which does not work on CD ROM's. It assumes that two directories are . and ... From the info page: - Option: -noleaf Do not optimize by assuming that directories contain 2 fewer subdirectories than their hard link count. This option is needed when searching filesystems that do not follow the Unix directory-link convention, such as CD-ROM or MS-DOS filesystems or AFS volume mount points. Each directory on a normal Unix filesystem has at least 2 hard links: its name and its `.' entry. Additionally, its subdirectories (if any) each have a `..' entry linked to that directory. When `find' is examining a directory, after it has statted 2 fewer subdirectories than the directory's link count, it knows that the rest of the entries in the directory are non-directories (leaf files in the directory tree). If only the files' names need to be examined, there is no need to stat them; this gives a significant increase in search speed. -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: synthfm.shk
On Thu, Feb 11, 1999 at 10:57:03PM +1100, Shao Zhang wrote: Hi, In the kernel 2.2.1's documentation for sound, the file AWE32 contains the following line: AWE32:post-install awe_wave /usr/bin/sfxload /usr/synthfm.sbk I have got the program sfxload installed, but where can I find the file synthfm.shk?? I searched the debian both stable unstable and couldn't find the file.. You need a sound font bank. There are sound font banks distributed with the Windows driver, and there are free ones in the net (CHAOS banks). Check the homepage of the AWE driver (see my HOWTO for that, on my web page below). PS: /usr is a very inappropriate directory for it. Try /usr/local/data/snd/fonts or similar. Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: off topic - Assembler using GCC
On Tue, Feb 09, 1999 at 11:53:26PM +0200, shaul wrote: On Thu, Feb 04, 1999 at 12:51:28PM +0800, ivan wrote: Mmmh. What do you need this for? Primarily learning but I would like a few very simple highly optimised graphics routines for my machine. Line, circle, box and fill for e.g. Although you have already decided to use svgalib, wouldn't ncurses and/or slang be more appropriate and/or easy to use and/or more efficient ? What are the differences between svgalib, ncurses and slang anyway ? The main difference is that ncurses and slang are for text terminals and svgalib for graphic modes. Marcus -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
[drepper@cygnus.com: FTP site for crypt code]
On Sat, Feb 06, 1999 at 12:41:38PM -0500, Roland McGrath wrote: Do you think you might be able to help with this? Personally, I can't. I have no net acess but through my phone line, and only little ftp space on my homepage. Maybe someone from the Debian community can help the gcc people here? Thanks, Marcus Content-Description: forwarded message Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.1.20]) by baalperazim.frob.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA14887 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:34:22 -0500 Received: from life.ai.mit.edu (life.ai.mit.edu [128.52.32.80]) by martigny.ai.mit.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA03336 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:34:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by life.ai.mit.edu (8.9.1/AI2.7/ai.master.life:2.2) with ESMTP id MAA18573 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 12:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) id IAA09836; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 08:26:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from happy.cygnus.com (happy.cygnus.com [205.180.230.206]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA09831; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 08:26:20 -0800 (PST) Received: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by happy.cygnus.com (8.8.7/8.6.4) id IAA04071; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 08:25:36 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - Emerald Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk To: GNU libc testers [EMAIL PROTECTED], VGER gcc list linux-gcc@vger.rutgers.edu Subject: FTP site for crypt code Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ulrich Drepper) X-fingerprint: BE 3B 21 04 BC 77 AC F0 61 92 E4 CB AC DD B9 5A From: Ulrich Drepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06 Feb 1999 08:25:35 -0800 Lines: 18 Hi, I'm ready to release glibc 2.1 for now three days but can't do this because we don't have the crypt add-on in place. The place where it was announced to be for the test releases is not stable and capable to handle large numbers of requests. We can't upload it to the usual place since the person who has to do this does not respond. So, if you have a non-US FTP server large enough to handle a few thousand downloads of a package with 30kB after every glibc release please contact me ASAP. Thanks, -- ---. drepper at gnu.org ,-. 1325 Chesapeake Terrace Ulrich Drepper \,---' \ Sunnyvale, CA 94089 USA Cygnus Solutions `--' drepper at cygnus.com ` -- `Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.' Debian http://www.debian.org finger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann GNUhttp://www.gnu.org master.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: off topic - Assembler using GCC
On Thu, Feb 04, 1999 at 12:51:28PM +0800, ivan wrote: Mmmh. What do you need this for? Primarily learning but I would like a few very simple highly optimised graphics routines for my machine. Line, circle, box and fill for e.g. Well, if you don't need them for some very special purpose, they would be wasted code, in the sense that nobody could make use of it (not general enough, not addressing to much people etc). However, for learning purpose everything is legitim and useful. I was considering this until I read the comments of the current (?) svgalib maintainer in which he said that he had tried to contribute ideas/discussion/code(?) and got the impression that if he didn't agree with *everything* that was said done by the ggi team then he wasn't really that welcome. Note that this was written _years_ ago (I read the text 1996). I am not sure if it is still correct. Also, note that sometimes people with different goals simply can't work together, this is not necessarily bad. ggi is used in Berlin today, and seems to be very interesting. I have no comment on this as I do not know the full circumstances but a maintainer making statements like that was enough to put me off ggi. Mmh. Can I say more than go and look for yourself? You could also write your own (dirty!) kernel device driver module which allows you to access hardware directly. This is not too hard. Thanks - I'm thinking about this now. Are there any references other than the kernel hackers guide on writing drivers ? The khg wasn't clear enough for a bear of little brain such as I. I wrote a very simple stupid module in a weekends time, it isn't to hard. Once you have the framework, you can allocate IRQ's and ioports. There is lots of example code in the kernel, it's really useful to work from examples. Have Fun, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: dpkg question
On Thu, Feb 04, 1999 at 09:55:10PM +1100, Shao Zhang wrote: Hi, If I know a command, for example, compress, is it possible to use dpkg to find out which package is this command belongs to?? And this package may not be installed on the system. No, you have to zgrep in the Contents.gz file, which is somewhere on the ftp site. Only if the package is installed, you can find it with dpkg -S bin/command. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: off topic - Assembler using GCC
On Wed, Feb 03, 1999 at 08:01:07PM +0800, ivan wrote: Sorry again for the off-topic post - I've made what I think is quite a lot of progress in as much as I can now get the asssembler compiled and sometimes running. However I am stuck now on implementing interrupts - specifically int 0x10. Are you poking fun? Do you really think it should be allowed for any user to program interrupts? The whole purpose of the Linux kernel is to protect the hardware from the user processes. If this code can work at all, then only if it is run as root, and even then I think you need a way to get permission from kernel (although I am not sure). Please check the source code of svgatextmode and svgalib. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: off topic - Assembler using GCC
On Thu, Feb 04, 1999 at 12:09:18AM +0800, ivan wrote: If this code can work at all, then only if it is run as root, and even then I think you need a way to get permission from kernel (although I am not sure). Please check the source code of svgatextmode and svgalib. I tried checking the source code of svgalib - if it's going to remain as difficult as it seems I may find a simpler project. I think it is. I was hoping that there would be a simple method of getting permission from the kernel for this operation and for direct access to video memory/registers. Mmmh. What do you need this for? Maybe you should try to make use of ggi or similar project efforts? You could also write your own (dirty!) kernel device driver module which allows you to access hardware directly. This is not too hard. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: off topic - Assembler using GCC
On Wed, Feb 03, 1999 at 02:08:26PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my case, I had reprogrammed IRQ4 so when a char came in from the modem, I could stuff it to a buffer for use later on, and send data to the buffer (and ultimately use the IRQ to send it back out again when the buffer was full) when I had my reply ready. I certainly wouldn't want another program taking chars from my modem while I'm using it. How would you accomplish the same in Linux without using interrupt routines? You would use interrupts, but in the kernel space. So you must write a kernel driver of any sort to accomplish this. This is the right thing. Remember that the kernel is the interface to the Hardware. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
[e9127170@stud2.tuwien.ac.at: Delete and Backspace-Keys]
Someone please help this guy. Marcus To Markus: debian-user is a mailing list for user related questions. - Forwarded message from Markus Reuscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Markus Reuscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 20:12:12 Reply-To: Markus Reuscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: Normal Subject: Delete and Backspace-Keys X-UIDL: 1c9f1a41be5f727329ce0ad55de9189a Hallo! I have read on http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html that you can help me for solving a problem with the delete and backspace key. I have asked some local mailinglists and the howto's and faqs, but nothing helped me. I use Debian 2.0 and fvwm95. I have tried severel configurations in /etc/X11/Xresources but nothing helps. Either the delete and the backspace key have the behavior of the delete OR the backspace key but always as twin. I want that the delete key deletes the character behind the cursor and that the backspace key deletes the key before the cursor. The next problem with delete and backspace key is the difference between xterm and netscapes url-entryfield. If the backspace key full functionally in a xterm-window, in netscape url-entryfield it does not. Hope you can help me. Thank you Markus __ Markus REUSCHER eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.htu.tuwien.ac.at/markus The village from where I am: http://www.htu.tuwien.ac.at/gutenstein Student of Computer Science, Vienna University of Technology, Austria, Europe - End forwarded message - -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: gpm question
On Thu, Jan 21, 1999 at 10:59:17AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: I recently upgraded a system from hamm to slink and then to potato and notice that gpm will only recognize the first 25 lines of my screen. I'm running SVGATextMode with a 80x30 screen. I seem to remember gpm working fine with this before. Is there something I missed? I have the same problem, but even worse, as I use 100x37. I can only access 80x25, too. I shall file a bug report if I nobody knows the answer... Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Printing with 2.2pre kernels?
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 01:19:29PM -0400, Timothy Hospedales wrote: Hi all! I have been using 2.2pre6 for the last few days and everything works perfectly except this bizarre new parport device which broke my printer. :(. Any advice on how to setup the parport thing properly would be greatly appreciated!!! Try to swap /dev/lp0 and /dev/lp1 in your printer setup. The numbers have been swapped for some reason nobody understands (to correct some BIOS error or to provide compatibility with BIOS, dunno). Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Language
On Sat, Jan 16, 1999 at 04:35:12PM -0800, Sam Franc wrote: I have been lurking on this group. What text do I need to get to interpret what all this language means, such as: /dev/hda1 /dos vfat defaults,umask=002,uid=0,gid=35 0 0 I am a complete novice and want to install Linux, but I see I need to learn a new language before I start. Hi Sam, now you got two excellent responses, but no answer what the line really means :) I will try to give that, but bear with me if I assume to much techno-knowledge. Ask questions! I realize that this information will be probably too much for you if you have not installed Linux yet. You probably want to safe this mail somewhere and return later, when you have more experience. You do *not* need to know this to install and explore Linux! The line is, as somebody else said, a line of a table. This table contains one line for each filesystem which can be mounted. A filesystem is something like a disk partition, a floppy, or a cdrom. It can even be a remote file system (Windows user would call it a file share), or a pseudo filesystem for communication with the operating system kernel (the proc file system, forget about it if you don't understand a word). The line comes from /etc/fstab (short for File System TABle). The first column contains the device file, which tells the system which device to use, especially which partition on the device. hd mean Hard Disk, a means the master on primary IDE controller (b is slave, c and d secondary IDE controller). The 1 means first primary partition. So, /dev/hda1 is the first primary partition on the master disk on primary IDE controller. The second column contains the location to mount the file system by default. In DOS, you use A:, B:, C: etc to mount your partitions. In Windows, you have Desktop\C, Desktop\D, or, in a network, network environment\workgroup\fileshare. In Linux, you can choose an *arbitrary* location, whereever you like. /dos means, the user has created a directory called dos in the top level directory (root directory), and he wants to mount the /dev/hda1 partition there. So, if /dev/hda1 has a file called foobar in the top level directory (C:\foobar in DOS), you could access it as /dos/foobar under Linux. The third is some special information about the TYPE of the filesystem. In Windows, you know that there can be fat, vfat, fat32 filesystems. In Linux, there are many more, ext2fs is the standard file system for Linux, so you will see this often. Linux supports all Windows file systems, macintosh, amiga, some Unix, network file systems etc. You can get a list of supported filesystems in your kernel with the command cat /proc/filesystems. I have: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/filesystems ext2 minix msdos vfat nodev proc iso9660 This means, proc is not a real filesystems (nodev), but the others are. BTW, iso9660 is the standard file systems for CD ROMS. The fourth columns contains a list of options to pass to the mount command. There are many options, the options above mean: defaults: use all defaults options (which these are you can find in the documentation). umask, gid, uid set the owner, group and permissions of the files. I would recommend not to worry about these at this stage of learning. The fifth and sixth columns are a bit cryptic. The fifth is related to some dump command, forget about it for now. The sixth means in which order the filesystems should be checked at boot time. 0 means, do not check this file system at boot time. 1 is usually rthe root file system, and 2 all others. I hope this clarified thiungs a bit. If you are interested, there is more information. Try man fstab, man mount in your Linux shell. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: AMD K6-2 / Bogomips problem
On Sun, Jan 17, 1999 at 11:13:41AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One is a 350MHz and it gives me ~350 Bogomips the other is a 400MHz and it gives me ~800 Bogomips I think there is a problem. What do you think ? No. What should i check first ? Read the Bogomips mini-Howto. /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/BogoMips.gz Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: DEBIAN LINUX
On Sun, Jan 17, 1999 at 12:14:59PM +0100, Peter Horatsche wrote: Mein Name ist Peter Horatschek. Ich habe mir das CHIP LINUX-Spezial mit DEBIAN GNU/LINUX 2.0 gekauft. Aber jedesmal wenn ich das installierte Linux starte stürzt es ab. (Es reagiert auf keinen TAstendruck mehr). Was kann ich tun? Als erstes könntest Du uns eine genaue Fehlermeldung geben, ohne die wissen wir nämlich gar nichts (stürzt ab ist nicht gerade inreichend informativ). Also: An welcher Stelle stürzt es ab, was sind die letzten paar Zeilen auf dem Bildschirm? Wenn die Bildschirmausgabe irgendetwas mit Hardware zu tun hat, welche relevante Hardware hast Du installiert (wenn Du nicht ahnst, was ich meine, beantworte nur die erste Frage). Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Learning more/Linux programming books
On Sun, Jan 17, 1999 at 05:05:48AM +0100, Antonio A. Rivas Ojanguren wrote: snip I think that it is worth considering skipping the Pascal stage and going straight to C, or equivalent languages. Taking this approach a bit further, I think it is even worth considering going straight to C++, perhaps by talking first about the procedural aspects of C++ and only then, as a second stage, talking about the OOP aspects. snip Are you crazy? He's a begginner and he wants learn programming not to get mad. I agree with him. Yes, he is a beginner. However, OO programming and procedural programming are different enough. If you teach the bad habits you get in C first, it is harder to change to a type safe and well organized OO programming language. How can you run if you don't know how to walk? If you want to learn programming the best language is Pascal: a) It's closer to the natural language than C and, of course, C++, and all of us think in our own natural language (english, spanish, french, german, etc...) and this is the first language we use when we develope a program. This can also be a disadvantage, because programming _is_ much unlike natural language. b) It forces you to make a highly structured code. Bad programming habits appears easier with C than with Pascal. Then you should advocate C++, because it is type safe and enforces much more organization than C or Pascal. Procedural programming is more structured than BASIC, but OO programming is much more structured than procedural programming. Learn C is not necessary the way to understand linux. To understand linux you must know how to programm devices like controllers, video cards, sound cards, etc..., and programm devices is something that you can do with Pascal also. This I agree with. However, reading C code written by experts requries some understanding of C on its own. You can start with any language. For a complete beginner, I would advocate Scheme. Even if you don't want to do big projects in Scheme, you can start very fast. A good book on programming (using Scheme) is Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Abelson/Sussman. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: AMD K6-2 / Bogomips problem
On Sun, Jan 17, 1999 at 03:34:42PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: besides the fact it seems outdated (1997-12-13), it says like me: AMD K5/K6 clock * (2.00 plusminus 0.010) 11.1 and it lists K6 at 166Mhz having already ~330Bogomips ! so my AMD K6-2 at 350Mhz should have 700Bogomips isn't it ? I don't know what -2 means at K6-2. so next part of my question: what should i check ? bios settings ? (the howto is not precise enough imho) Quote from the howto: Many CPUs are prone to faulty setups of · memory cache setting (write-back is wrong for BogoMips, often reported lower than 5; write-through is ok) · turbo-buttons (should be ON) · BIOS-software emulated fake cache (change it for real cache) · similar cache and clock related things. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: xf86 config error
On Sun, Jan 17, 1999 at 12:20:13AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Is it possible to get more details about the follwing: [12:15am] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# /etc/init.d/xdm start Checking for valid XFree86 server configuration...error in configuration file. Not starting X display manager. [12:15am] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# Try parse-xf86config --all /etc/X11/XF86Config and send the output to me and the list. I grabbed a compiled XF86_FBDev off a website. It was XFree86 3.3.2, but it ran fine, with both startx and X -query localhost. There may be some typo etc. The X servers are not very strict, but my parser is. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Repairing a HD with fsck?
On Fri, Jan 15, 1999 at 09:22:37AM -0700, Scott J. Geertgens wrote: I recently posted a message about GCC not being able to compile due to dma_intr and/or read_intr errors. After receiving a response here and scouring the net I've realized that the problem lies on the drive itself (bad blocks or similar). If your drive has bad blocks, and if it has warranty, you may want to return it. Contact your local dealer or vendor. My question is how do I go about fixing the problem? Will a forced fsck (fsck.ext2 -f /dev/hdb3) be sufficient? You need to add the -c option, see the man page. I know that when Debian installs, it gives the option to scan for and mark bad sections of the disk... will I need to reinstall to insure that no files are sitting on corrupt sections of the disk? (Re-installing is an option for me). Scanning for bad blocks is very likely corruptive. You should notice how much bad blocks you have, and what files are affected. Run the program twice. If it does find bad blocks on more and more locations, you better go an buy a new drive. Or is there anyway to 'recover' the data from those bad block and fix everything without going to such extemes? Thanks. Not that I know of. Bad blocks are just that, bad. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: timezone
On Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 11:53:32PM +, M.C. Vernon wrote: Dear all, libc recommends timezones, but this appears not to be available. according to dselect :( although I have it installed.. Please give: dpkg -s libc6, dpkg -s timezones (if this is on the hurd, give me dpkg -s libc0.2 instead :) Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: slink does not have lib6
Try to look for libc6. Marcus Krzysztof Adamski schrieb: I was trying to slink, but it seems that lib6 is missing. Is it missing or I'm doing something wrong? I was using ftp.debian.org. K -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: libc5 segfault; rindex()
On Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 03:33:13PM -0700, Scott Scriven wrote: Hello.. I'm using Debian 2.0 i386 (hamm), and can't get libc5 programs to run. The libc5 package is installed, and I've tried upgrading to the most recent frozen version. It hasn't helped. Every libc5 program gets a segfault at startup, and gdb tells me it crashes in the rindex() function, probably in the startup code before the program gets control. Check what additonal compat libraries you need for your package. For example, often you need xlib6, too. You may run ldd on the binary to look which libraries are needed. In the output must not be both, libc5 and libc6. If you see both, you need a further library from section oldlibs. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Kernel 2.2.
On Thu, Jan 07, 1999 at 01:32:27PM +0100, Thomas Janke wrote: The new LINUX-Kernel will be available soon. Is Debian ready for the new kernel? Will Slink be? Yes, also it will not ship with it as default kernel (probably not ship with it at all). I do not know all issues, but what I know sounds good. What about the HURD-Kernel? GLAD that you ask! I have just finished a base system. Note that the Hurd is the base for a complete different operating system, so it is not an option for an existing Linux system (yet). If you are interested in the Hurd, you should join us on debian-hurd and read the list archive of the last days. I mailed an announcement there. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: StarOffice install
On Sat, Jan 02, 1999 at 02:45:34PM -, eferen1 wrote: How do I install Star office? I tried dpkg and install but I can't get anything to work. Yes, I did check the Debian FAQ. Or did I miss something? Any ideas to help? Just run X (with root privilegies), and run the ./SETUP program that ships with star office. You can't install it via dpkg (that is, if its version is above 3). Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: OFFTOPIC: How to use strings with libstdc++?
On Tue, Dec 29, 1998 at 08:21:43PM +0100, Wojciech Zabolotny wrote: Hi All I've stated that there is no old good String class in libstdc++. Instead I've found the string header which defines the string class. Is it OK to use it in new C++ programs, or it is added only for compatibility? Why has it such nonstandard name (without .h suffix). From Stroustrup: =Section B 3.1, third edition= Traditionally, every header file had a .h suffix. Thus C++ implementations provided headers such as map.h and iostream.h. For compatibiilty, most still do. When the standards committee needed headers for redefined versions of standard libraries for newly added library facilities, naming those headers became a problem. Using the old .h names would have caused compatibilty problems. The solution was to drop the suffix .h in standard header names. The suffix is redundant anyway because the notation indicates that a standard header is being named. Thus, the standard library provides non-suffixed headers, such as iostream and map. The declarations in those fiels are placed in the namespace std. Older headers place their declarations in the global namespace and use a .h suffix. == So, the decision is neither arbitrary nor non-standard. The only thing left is to actually implement namespaces in gcc :) Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
X font fixed missing (was: Re: Hey girls and boys)
On Tue, Dec 29, 1998 at 07:52:50PM -0600, me wrote: Hey there! I'm new. I installed Debian 2.1 (frozen) and received a X11 error (both on Intel and Alpha platforms): Fatal server error: could not open defualt font 'fixed' I figured it must have been some mis-configuration on my part, but I can't find any mismatched dependencies. Have you installed sufficient font packages? I am not sure the dependencies are ok in frozen at the moment. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Trying to compile a new kernel.
On Tue, Dec 29, 1998 at 09:32:14PM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: /dev/lp1 is for older kernels, /dev/lp0 for newer kernels. Don't ask me why. It is explained in the kernel sources. It has to do with the order of the port addresses in conjunction with traditional BIOS naming. Now the naming is thesame as under traditional DOS, which makes newcomers happy. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: AWE 64 setup ?
Hi Didier, hi Britton! On Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 01:46:38AM -0900, Britton wrote: Marcus Brinkman (my regrets if I've butchered your name Marcus) It's tow n, but beside that, fine! Nice to see you still around, Britton! has a spiffy mini-HOWTO on setting up the AWE32/64 on his web page, the address of which I unfortunately forget, but a search with his name in there would probably turn it up. It'll probably help you and give you an idea what's going on with isapnp and the AWE card into the boot. Good luck. A search on my name in search engines is most likely to turn out a few hundred emails to the Debian lists (which are archived). Better take the address directly from my signature. Bye, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: rpms
On Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 10:51:06AM -0500, Rick Knebel wrote: Is there any way to install a redhat rpm on a debian system? alien. flora:~# dpkg -s alien Package: alien Status: hold ok installed Priority: extra Section: admin Installed-Size: 107 Maintainer: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Version: 6.18 Depends: debhelper, perl Recommends: rpm (= 2.4.4-2), dpkg-dev, make Suggests: patch, bzip2 Description: Install Red Hat, Stampede, and Slackware Packages with dpkg. Alien allows you to convert Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages into Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg. . It can also convert into Slackware, Red Hat, and Stampede packages. . This is a tool only suitable for binary packages. -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Has dpkg been ported
On Tue, Dec 22, 1998 at 05:07:19PM -0500, Wayne Cuddy wrote: Has anyone ported dpkg to different architectures? If so what is involved in doing so? If not... why? Yeah, I did the hurd port. It is not finished actually. It is not much involved, depending on the progress of the linux port in general. However, one should add the architecture to it. Marcus
Re: Why does 16 bpp look the same as 24 bpp?
On Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 02:34:31AM +0800, k e c h i e wrote: On Sun, 20 Dec 1998, Rick Macdonald wrote: I can't tell the difference between 16bpp and 24bpp 24 colour JPEG files, viewed with xv. Try doin' some gradients in GIMP. Or some povray pictures. You can detect distinct stripes in 16bpp but none in 24bpp. Everything above 24bpp (32bpp) would be insane. It's nice there is at least one thing that doesn't need to be improved in the computer world :) Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Why?!
On Mon, Dec 21, 1998 at 01:13:30AM +, Charles Collicutt wrote: Windows is as configurable as Linux, you just have to know different methods. I don't buy this, unless your different methods also cover programming. I can easily configure any resolution and refresh rate I want to use in X, under Windows, I am stuck with fixed values predefined by graphic driver programmer. In Samba, I can give a Linux machine any OS level in the range. Window machines use predefined values. Under Linux, I can seperate the data by users and groups, and use permissions to protect the integrity of my data. Maybe windows NT does offer a similar functionality, I don't know, but Win98 just warns me to change anything in the windows directory. And please, tell me how I can change the IP number of my Windows box without reboot. :) (There are dozens of further examples. I am sure everybody on this list can make up his/her own). I'm sorry that some of you have had such problems with Windows, if I'd had similar problems then I agree that linux would easily seem better. However, I have not had those problems (my copy of Win95 was not preinstalled, I installed it myself without errors). Well, if it works for you, fine. Neither Windows nor Linux is the OS for everyone. We all have our preferences and needs. I think that if I didn't enjoy playing games so much (more to the point: don't intend to develop games) then I'd choose linux over Windows easily. I could play Discworld I under dosemu. This is just a simple example where playing games is not a general reason to run Windows. I agree that most state-of-the-art and hyper games are windows only. However, since I do need a Win95 partition anyway (to play games and to develop them - no companies to my knowledge develop games for linux) I heard quite some companies are developing Games ON Linux because Linux is a better development plattform than Windows. I can't verify this, though. I'm going to wait a bit longer before I make up my mind, but the temptation to let the Winborg empire assimilate me is getting stronger - which is a shame because you guys are a hell of a lot nicer than your average Windows luser :) If anyone can think of an excellent way to save my soul please let me know... I am wondering why you are writing this mail. Nobody on this list can persuade you to stay with Debian, and it is certainly not my intention to do so. But the way you are asking us for a reason to continue with Debian is speaking for itself. Deep in your heart, you know that Linux is better, you just have not found the right way to use it for your advantage. Everybody uses Linux in a different way. If you ask for my advice, remove all traces of Linux from your machine. Use solely Windows. If at some time in the future you are bored by cookie cutters approach to computing, come back and try again. Maybe Linux is the right thing for you but not currently? Regardless what you do, have fun! Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Two Questions
On Sun, Dec 20, 1998 at 10:28:12PM +, David A. Lee wrote: Does Debian 2.0 come with Netscape on the CD's, or do I have to download it? Netscape is not part of Debian, therefore it can't be on the official CD. Some vendors do include it on the Debian CD's they are selling, though. When do you expect Debian 2.1 to be released officially? And Debian 2.2? When it is ready (2x). There really is no better answer. An equivalent formulation is: When all release critical bugs are fixed and the official CD images are produced and tested. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: rotating log files
On Sat, Dec 19, 1998 at 04:54:22PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If there had never been such a feature (and I was getting it
because of some misconfiguration:-)), I think it would be a
nice feature to add to /etc/init.d/cron. Have some files to
keep track of when /etc/cron.{daily,weekly,monthly} last ran
(touch /etc/cron.daily-lastrun should be sufficient), and
/etc/init.d/cron (on start) can check the timestamps to see
whether it should run them directly.
The package anacron provides this functionality.
Package: anacron
Priority: extra
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 65
Version: 2.0.1-2
Replaces: pe
Depends: libc6, sysklogd, smail | sendmail | mail-transport-agent
Recommends: cron (= 3.0pl1-43)
Description: a cron-like program that doesn't go by time
Anacron (like `anac(h)ronistic') is a periodic command scheduler. It
executes commands at intervals specified in days. Unlike cron, it
does not assume that the system is running continuously. It can
therefore be used to control the execution of daily, weekly and
monthly jobs (or anything with a period of n days), on systems that
don't run 24 hours a day. When installed and configured properly,
Anacron will make sure that the commands are run at the specified
intervals as closely as machine-uptime permits.
.
This package is pre-configured to execute the daily jobs of the Debian
system. You should install this program if your system isn't powered on
24 hours a day to make sure the maintenance jobs of other Debian packages
are executed each day.
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Re: email
On Sat, Dec 19, 1998 at 08:43:15PM -0600, KTB wrote: I still don't have X-windows. I read elsewhere you can see a black and white patterned screen with mouse pointer and a xterm. This IS X. :) You want to install a window manager, my choice is fvwm2 or enlightenment. Look for the various window managers, for example, icewm, fvwm95, etc. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: GUI development application
On Fri, Dec 18, 1998 at 01:50:19PM +, Nuno Carvalho wrote: Hi, Is there any good GUI development application for using C language ? There is glade, the gui builder that uses gtk+. It is packaged, although not in the latest version (it's my fault, I am the maintainer) :) Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: segfault on Wordperfect 8
On Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 07:15:30PM -0500, Benjamin Suto wrote: Hmm, I'm getting a segfault when I try executing xwp from Wordperfect 8.0 using Debian slink... Seems you need old libc5 packages. Try installing libc5 and xpm4 and xlib6 from oldlibs section. $ ldd ./xwp /usr/local/lib/libreginfo.so = /usr/local/lib/libreginfo.so (0x4000e000) libXt.so.6 = /lib/libXt.so.6 (0x4001) libX11.so.6 = /lib/libX11.so.6 (0x40058000) libXpm.so.4 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x400fb000) Here you need probably the libc5 equivalent really. libm.so.5 = /lib/libm.so.5 (0x40109000) libc.so.5 = /lib/libc.so.5 (0x40112000) libSM.so.6 = /lib/libSM.so.6 (0x401d) libICE.so.6 = /lib/libICE.so.6 (0x401d9000) Here too. libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0x401ee000) ld-linux.so.2 = /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40293000) Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Debian too difficult, Red Hat?
On Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 06:59:28PM -0600, Oleg Krivosheev wrote: Neither Scheme nor Lisp is in any way standardized. Common Lisp was standartized by ANSI in 80es. I believe standard was revisited in 1994 and Lisp ot some OO features. Anyway, document number is ANSI X3.226-1994. Feel free to order and read Well, this is true. However, a standard is only a standard if people hold to it. I don't see this with Lisp. I see Common Lisp as Yet Another Lisp, and only because people choose to define it in a document and put ANSI in front doesn't mean much. I admit my wording was misleading, as I didn't want to say that there were no efforts to standardize LISP, or no formalized versions of LISP. However, they are just this. You could say, Common LISP is standardized. Scheme is also standartized in several reports. They are quite extensive and allows to create independent compilers/interpreters. Scheme is a derivative of Lisp, and Lisp itself is splittered in dozens of dialects, nearly every AI institute developing it's own version. that's true There is no such thing as THE Lisp. yes, there is and that's why it is called Common Lisp -- Well, right. Common Lisp is standardized. Lisp isn't. Thanks, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: SB AWE 64 value midi-problems
On Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 11:58:53PM +0100, Peter Berlau wrote: Hi, I can't play midi-files on my SoundBlaster AWE 64 Value PnP(Plug and Pray) ISA You need not only isapnp but also the additional lowlevel awe driver or a newer kernel release. Please refer to my Soundblaster-AWE-HOWTO on my homepage or in /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini directory when doc-linux packages installed. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Debian too difficult, Red Hat?
On Thu, Dec 17, 1998 at 07:42:59PM +, Manuel Gutierrez Algaba wrote: On Wed, 16 Dec 1998, Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote: But it comes down to GNU/Linux being a political statement, and one that I disagree with. I don't like GNU either. They're unnecessary complex most of the times, and they're too worried about imposing their own standards to others. Scheme-Guile, Lisp -elisp , Linux- Hurd. And their copyright notice is awful! But... I use emacs, and other nice GNUish software everyday :)). Ha! Neither Scheme nor Lisp is in any way standardized. Scheme is a derivative of Lisp, and Lisp itself is splittered in dozens of dialects, nearly every AI institute developing it's own version. There is no such thing as THE Lisp. About your third example, the Hurd, let me only tell you that the Hurd was started _before_ Linux appeared on the scene. Actually, the Hurd is _NOT_ a succesor of Linux in any way, but an independent project. It is another kernel, it's a microkernel. Yes, GNU will continue to go beyond Unix, this is a design goal. GNU programs are usually more portable than any Linux application I've seen. Most people don't even worry about autoconf and automake, which are designed to make it able to compile GNU software on about any plattform. Get your facts right. rant I can't stand it anymore. All the hypocrites who criticize RMS or FSF for what they stand for, but use the programs anyway. You are free to use them or not, but leave them alone if you don't like them. There is still Windows 98 for you. Show me the code or go out of my way. /rant Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: ??? how to TOTALLY remove KDE ???
On Wed, Dec 16, 1998 at 04:19:01PM -0500, Ed Cogburn wrote: Joe Emenaker wrote: when I tried to remove KDE via dselect, it didn't remove a bunch of directories because they weren't empty or something) I make a motion that dpkg should maintain a log of all of the orphan directories that it leaves behind because they're not empty so that we can go in later and clean them out either that or have the option for some interactivity where the 'remove' script would 'ls' the contents of the directory and then get a yes/no on whether to purge it. - Joe I see this occasionally. What's real weird is that at least half the time I see this 'error' the directory in question really *is* empty. cue Twilight Zone music This is a known bug in dpkg. It does first try to remove the directory, then it removes the conffiles at a later stage. But at this time no information about the directories are left. dpkg just doesn't know what to do with them. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: sorting russian text; perl
On Sat, Dec 12, 1998 at 11:13:09PM +0400, Eugene Sevinian wrote: Hi all, about one month ago there were posting about locale's usage under perl. I tried to use it for sorting russian, but it did not work for me. Is there any additional tricks beside setting LANG=ru_RU; export LANG? I used /usr/share/keytables/ru.map for inputing some russian text. Hope this corresponds to koi8 coding. Maybe try setting LC_ALL too? Just guessing, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: recommendation on presentation software
On Fri, Dec 11, 1998 at 03:41:33PM +0100, Blazej Sawionek wrote: J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote: Take a look at MagicPoint (the mgp package). Where can I find it? Dselect (in hamm) asked for `Magic' finds only `libmagick4g'. Just as he said, search for mgp. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Just My 2 Cents
On Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 12:45:07AM +1100, Richard Lyon wrote:
I guess the 'real' truth is that most of the microsoft stuff is actually
quite good. With the latest versions of service paks installed things
are very slick on windows NT.
quite good... mmmh. Certainly not for my needs, but my needs may be very
unusable. Microsofts design goal is to hide as much as possible. But this
also means that I loose control over what happens.
For example file sharing. The SMB protocol makes the clients broadcast to
find a server in the network. This is highly annoying, but removes one
configuration option from the client machine.
I prefer control over convenience.
I have debian and winnt-workstation running on two machines on my desk.
Sure at first glance it appears that linux is faster, but look at all
the services running on NT and what they do for me.
Do you have a list? I know only Win95 machines, and they don't even have a
telnet daemon running. Sure, it would be useless anyway ('cause DOS is
crap), but... My Linux machine has telnet, ftp, http, xdm and a dozen of
other daemons and services running without me noticing. Most time they are
sleeping anyway, so they don't slow down the machine.
Maybe I don't know what services you mean.
If I install new
hardware on my winnt box at least I don't have to compile and link a
new kernel.
Well, this is indeed a good point. But often when I install new hardware in a
windows machine, I have to reinstall Windows because all the drivers mess up
with the system. Modules make it quite easy to provide a similar
functionality under Linux. The Hurd will offer more functionality in this
area (as a Microkernel), and I hope pre-compiled drivers will be possible
(also a better hardware detection would be nice, but remember that we are
fighting against closed hardware protocols and specification).
Another interesting comparision is application installation.
I wonder how many people really prefer to use dselect to the microsoft
way of doing things.
Install Shield is just crap compared to dpkg. If you compare dselect with
Install Shield, you are comparing apples with oranges. It is true that
dselect is old fashioned, but apt, the new front end, will be better.
dselect is really only a front end to dpkg. Dpkg does handle the package
installation, upgrade and removal. Dpkg does keep track of dependencies
automatically, and does not ask, if you want to overwrite a shared library,
just because one is newer than the other (Do you want to overwrite
XXX.DLL? is a question where you _can't_ know the answer. This is _very_
user unfriendly, and it is common in the Windows world).
Actually dpkg does keep track of every single file in the system. Which is
far better than everything I've seen under Windows.
Both systems to be very stable and reliable.
I don't have much experiences about Windows NT. But I use WinNT + MSIE in
university sometimes. WinNT installation there does not allow anything but
using MSIE (it's a internet workplace). But still it is crashing or hanging
quite often.
Perhaps a more interesting question is; how many unix applications would
windows users like to run on their machines?
If you ask me, many. Still, I think this is the wrong question. Most
standard Unix commands and applications could not unfold their whole power
on a Windows machine (because of limitations in the file system and the
operating system design as a whole). For example, there are powerful text
processing tools under Unix, but most files under Windows are in a
proprietary binary format (word .doc uments for example). The text tools
would be almost useful on a windows machine (for example grep).
Maybe the real benefit of linux is that it encourages people not to have
one dimensional thinking and consider alternatives.
This is the problem of Windows users. They think computers have to crash
once in a while. And you have to reboot after changing the network protocol
or the IP address.
Marcus
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[stick@richnet.net: Re: ANSI Color Escapes in $PS1.. heh.]
Forwarded on request. This sure has charm ;)
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 00:36:51 -0500 (EST)
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So this is a little late...had some e-mail issues that took too long to
sort-out...
Marcus Brinkmann said
On Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 12:41:06PM -0600, Ryan King wrote:
Just how stupid an idea did I have when I did this:
$PS1=[\e[31m\h\e[m:\e[34m\u\e[m:\e[31m\w\$\e[m]
in my /etc/profile?
It looks really nifty until I try to do commands that wrap around, in which
case the first line returns, but keeps going on the current spot.
What the other said, is correct, so you already know what is happening here.
However, here is just another example for you:
# ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells.
[...snipped...]
set_prompt ()
{
local SAVE_CRS=`tput sc 2 /dev/null`
local RESET_CRS=`tput rc 2 /dev/null`
local CLOCKPOS=`tput cup 0 $(($HZ-10)) 2 /dev/null`
local FOREG=`tput setaf 6 2 /dev/null` #4
local ALT_FOREG=`tput setaf 3 2 /dev/null` #4
local BACKG=`tput setab 0 2 /dev/null` #6
local NORMAL=`tput sgr0 2 /dev/null`
local BOLD=`tput bold 2 /dev/null`
PS1=\[${NORMAL}${SAVE_CRS}${CLOCKPOS}${FOREG}${BACKG}${BOLD} \@ [EMAIL
PROTECTED]:\w\$
}
set_prompt
I took this a little over-the-top, but it was a fun excersize. Here's
my adaptations to set_prompt():
set_prompt ()
{
local EUID=$1;
local NORMAL=`tput sgr0 2 /dev/null`;
local BOLD=`tput bold 2 /dev/null`;
# local DIM=`tput dim 2 /dev/null`;
local BLINK=`tput blink 2 /dev/null`;
# local REVERSE=`tput rev 2 /dev/null`;
# local STANDOUT=`tput smso 2 /dev/null`;
# local UNDERLINE=`tput smul 2 /dev/null`;
# local INVISIBLE=`tput invis 2 /dev/null`;
# local BEEP=`tput bel 2 /dev/null`;
# local HOME=`tput home 2 /dev/null`;
# local CLEAR=`tput clear 2 /dev/null`;
# local FG_BLACK=`tput setaf 0 2 /dev/null`;
local FG_RED=`tput setaf 1 2 /dev/null`;
# local FG_GREEN=`tput setaf 2 2 /dev/null`;
local FG_YELLOW=`tput setaf 3 2 /dev/null`;
# local FG_BLUE=`tput setaf 4 2 /dev/null`;
# local FG_MAGENTA=`tput setaf 5 2 /dev/null`;
local FG_CYAN=`tput setaf 6 2 /dev/null`;
local FG_WHITE=`tput setaf 7 2 /dev/null`;
# local BG_BLACK=`tput setab 0 2 /dev/null`;
# local BG_RED=`tput setab 1 2 /dev/null`;
# local BG_GREEN=`tput setab 2 2 /dev/null`;
# local BG_YELLOW=`tput setab 3 2 /dev/null`;
# local BG_BLUE=`tput setab 4 2 /dev/null`;
# local BG_MAGENTA=`tput setab 5 2 /dev/null`;
# local BG_CYAN=`tput setab 6 2 /dev/null`;
# local BG_WHITE=`tput setab 7 2 /dev/null`;
if [ $EUID == 0 ]; then
PS1=\[${NORMAL}${BOLD}${BLINK}${FG_RED}\]\u\[${NORMAL}${BOLD} \
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: ;
else
PS1=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
${FG_CYAN}\]\h\[${NORMAL}\]: ;
fi;
PS2=\[${NORMAL}${BOLD}${FG_YELLOW}\]continue\[${NORMAL}\] ;
return
}
set_prompt $EUID
For root the username is in blinking, bright red - to help remind you of
your login. For Regular Users the username is bright yellow. From there
it's a bright white '@' and then the hostname in bright cyan. Oh, yeah, I
almost forgot the : in bright white at the end. [Too much time waiting
for downloads...]
Use it if you want.
Chuck
PS. Don't forget to put the set_prompt() function somewhere where it
will get executed for those times you `su` or `su -`.
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Re: SB AWE32 PnP, no midi
Hi Matt, did you read my Soundblaster-AWE mini Howto? Please check my homepage below for a copy of it. On Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 11:12:02AM -0600, Matt Garman wrote: bash-2.01$ cat /dev/sndstat Sound Driver:3.5.4-960630 (Mon Oct 26 11:42:24 CST 1998 root, Linux crh3019.urh.uiuc.edu 2.0.35 #1 Mon Oct 26 10:30:03 CST 1998 i686 unknown) Kernel: Linux crh3019.urh.uiuc.edu 2.0.35 #1 Mon Oct 26 11:42:44 CST 1998 i686 Config options: 0 Installed drivers: Type 1: OPL-2/OPL-3 FM Type 2: Sound Blaster Type 7: SB MPU-401 Card config: Sound Blaster at 0x220 irq 7 drq 1,5 (SB MPU-401 irq 1 drq 0) The parentheses means this is inactive. Did you configure your kernel correctly? Especially the midi port, 330 is the default value. If you do cat /proc/ioports, do you see the following or a similar line? 0330-0331 : Sound Blaster 16 - MPU-401 The line I highlighted with the is of interest, I think. I read on a dejanews article that being in parenthesis means the SB MPU... actually wasn't found. The article also suggested that I use the same irq for my wavetable that I do for my soundcard. But how do I specify this? Interrupt 1 is definitely wrong. This is how to configure the kernel: CONFIG_SOUND=y CONFIG_SOUND_OSS=y CONFIG_SOUND_SB=y CONFIG_SB_BASE=220 CONFIG_SB_IRQ=5 CONFIG_SB_DMA=1 CONFIG_SB_DMA2=5 ** This means the MPU does not need an IRQ, but * CONFIG_SB_MPU_BASE=330 * an ioport, and this is usually 330. * CONFIG_SB_MPU_IRQ=-1 * ** CONFIG_SOUND_ADLIB=y CONFIG_SOUND_YM3812=y My /etc/isapnp.conf file is as follows: (looks fine) Any help? I hope so ;) Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: sb 32 PnP
On Tue, Dec 01, 1998 at 06:04:15PM -0500, Richard Black wrote: Shao Zhang wrote: Hi, From your /dev/sndstat, your midi device is working! Is this because of the new kernel, or you did some tricks with isapnp tools?? Thanks in advance. PS. I can never get my midi device working under 2.0.35 Shao. I have no idea--I'm _very_ new to this game. I certainly didn't use any tricks that I was aware of! I've attached my isapnp.conf for what that is worth (hope it isn't too big). # # Logical device id CTL0021 # Device supports vendor reserved register @ 0x3a # Device supports vendor reserved register @ 0x3c # Device supports vendor reserved register @ 0x3e # Device supports vendor reserved register @ 0x3f # # Edit the entries below to uncomment out the configuration required. # Note that only the first value of any range is given, this may be changed if required # Don't forget to uncomment the activate (ACT Y) when happy (CONFIGURE CTL0048/15823 (LD 2 # ANSI string --WaveTable-- # Multiple choice time, choose one only ! # Start dependent functions: priority preferred # Logical device decodes 16 bit IO address lines # Minimum IO base address 0x0620 # Maximum IO base address 0x0620 # IO base alignment 1 bytes # Number of IO addresses required: 4 (IO 0 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0620)) Add those: (IO 1 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0A20)) (IO 2 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0E20)) (ACT Y) )) Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: ANSI Color Escapes in $PS1.. heh.
On Wed, Dec 02, 1998 at 12:41:06PM -0600, Ryan King wrote:
Just how stupid an idea did I have when I did this:
$PS1=[\e[31m\h\e[m:\e[34m\u\e[m:\e[31m\w\$\e[m]
in my /etc/profile?
It looks really nifty until I try to do commands that wrap around, in which
case the first line returns, but keeps going on the current spot.
What the other said, is correct, so you already know what is happening here.
However, here is just another example for you:
# ~/.bash_profile: executed by bash(1) for login shells.
[...snipped...]
set_prompt ()
{
local SAVE_CRS=`tput sc 2 /dev/null`
local RESET_CRS=`tput rc 2 /dev/null`
local CLOCKPOS=`tput cup 0 $(($HZ-10)) 2 /dev/null`
local FOREG=`tput setaf 6 2 /dev/null` #4
local ALT_FOREG=`tput setaf 3 2 /dev/null` #4
local BACKG=`tput setab 0 2 /dev/null` #6
local NORMAL=`tput sgr0 2 /dev/null`
local BOLD=`tput bold 2 /dev/null`
PS1=\[${NORMAL}${SAVE_CRS}${CLOCKPOS}${FOREG}${BACKG}${BOLD} \@ [EMAIL
PROTECTED]:\w\$
}
set_prompt
This is will display a yellow username, (in normal colors) @ + hostname, :
+ path, $
and a cyan clock in the upper right corner, 10 columns from the line end.
The clock will only be updated when you enter a new command, though (or
press return). The clock is annyoing when scrolling up or cutting and
pasting. However, it is just a demonstration how to do cursor movements.
Note that you don't need to enter _any_ escape commands, because I use tput
to get them. See man 5 terminfo for a list of terminal capabilities.
bye,
Marcus
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Re: problems+suggestions
On Tue, Dec 01, 1998 at 09:26:45PM -0400, wb2oyc wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if a configuration of all installed packages could be saved in some data file that you could put on a disk and whenever you want to install a new machine or go back to this good configuration you just load the data-file into dselect or whatever program that gets/installs packages. Some different default configs could also be shipped with the dist to be used by new debian people. Maybe this is already possible? Tell me please! SuSE Linux does precisely that using its YaST tool. Yeah, and its evil: 1) It is limited. 2) It prevents configuration in the standard way (incompatible to manual configuration). Debian is working on a better solution for this. Not ready yet, though. You can export/import a list of selected packages though, as other people already told you. Thanks, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: What installation with Debian 2.0?
[Please shorten your lines under 80 characters.] On Thu, Dec 03, 1998 at 08:51:43PM +0100, Georg Lohrer wrote: Hello, after many obstacles I have running a Debian 2.0 installation. But without looking at the cryptic usage of dselect it's still a secret for me what installation is the best/correct/only one. On the CD-ROM are the directories: 1)/debian/dists/frozen/hamm/disks-i386/... 2)/debian/dists/frozen/main/disks-i386/... 3)/debian/dists/hamm pointing to ../hamm 4)/debian/hamm/hamm/disks-i386/... I have choosen the number 2, because I don't have recognized any differences in the subdirectories. In the docs, on the Web-Site of Debian and in the Usenet-Groups I don't find an answer how the correct installation path should look like. What's with these different directories? They are all the same. Unfortunate, isn't it? I wish symlinks to already existing entries could be ignored. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Pascal for Linux?
On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 at 05:18:54PM -0600, Alexander Kushnirenko wrote: Hi, Just wondering is there Pascal compiler for Linux? preferable free? close to Turbo Pascal 6? Don't know if there are alternatives. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/debian/glibc/libc$ dpkg --print-avail gpc Package: gpc Priority: optional Section: devel Installed-Size: 2440 Maintainer: Galen Hazelwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: i386 Source: egcs (1.1.0.91.58-3) Version: 2.91.58-3 Replaces: gpc-ss ( 2.91.59) Provides: pascal-compiler Depends: libc6 (= 2.0.7u), g++ (= 2.91.58), g++ ( 2.91.59) Suggests: egcs-docs (= 2.91.58) Filename: dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/devel/gpc_2.91.58-3.deb Size: 1179986 MD5sum: 8531095aec2c09c5d124707937fdf1f8 Description: The GNU (egcs) Pascal compiler. This is the egcs version of the Pascal compiler, which compiles Pascal on platforms supported by the gcc compiler. It uses the gcc backend to generate optimized code. . The current release 2.1 implements Standard Pascal (ISO 7185, level 1), a large subset of Extended Pascal (ISO 10206), and Borland Pascal. -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: I do not have the X font fixed -- where might I find it ?
On Mon, Nov 23, 1998 at 09:02:59PM -0500, Darxus wrote: I have no fonts on my machine with the string fixed (case insensitive) in them, and I've been running X successfully. I'm currently running Debian v2.1. please add the following to the system configuration file /etc/vnc.conf $fontPath = /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,; $fontPath .= /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,; $fontPath .= /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled; The problem arises because Xvnc is very sensitive to the fontPath (which is taken from /etc/X11/XF86Config by default on a Debian system). Not existing fontPaths are not silently ignored, but Xvnc reports the wrong error message. IMHO, those are two bugs. Thank you, Marcus debian maintainer of vnc packages. -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Stable GUI Web Browser
On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 05:30:08AM -0800, Kenneth Scharf wrote: ** Reply to message from Martin Bialasinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 17 Nov 1998 23:57:15 +0100 Let's not talk about the food :-) I quite agree, we have far too many Macdonalds and Burger King. Remembers me of the Quarter Pound scene in Pulp Fiction :) The meals have been quite delicious (although they could have been bigger), the fish chips in Wales quite fat and salty. I was shocked by all those small crisp bags the english parents give their school kiddies for lunch, though. BTW we used to have some Arthur Treacher's fish and chips places here, but I couldn't figure out if they were 'real' or an American knock off of the real thing. Closest thing to 'real' British food that I think I ever tried was at Walt Disney World's Epcot. (I still want to visit London some day, if for no other reason than to walk down Baker St.) Was there, but the Sherlock Holmes shop was closed. There is a _really nice_ garden at the end of the street, it is really worth walking through (you haven't seen London if you have'nt seen at least three parks and two gardens, they are great). You should not miss the paper theatre in the Tower Bridge! Bye, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
SVGATextMode! (was Re: Console mode with 80x24 possible?
On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 07:57:15AM +0100, Matus fantomas Uhlar wrote: - Eric House ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): - Can I rebuild the kernal to use my entire display? - - My hamm-equipped laptop has an 800x600 screen. When in console mode - it uses only the middle of the screen for an 80x24 display -- even - though there's room on the screen for at least 120x32. - - try adding vga=extended or vga=ask to your boot-prompt - -I'd also suggest taking a look at 'SVGATextmode' and see if your video - card's chipset is supported. If SVGATextmode can work on your system, - it will allow you to change textmodes without rebooting, i.e., allowing - you to switch from 80x25 to a custom mode and back. Yes SVGATextmode is nice; but adding vga=... into lilo.conf is nice too; for example I have vga=0xf05 for having 30 lines on screen which is very nice for me. Hi, SVGATextMode has more advantages over vga= option: * You can choose from dozens of textmodes, for example 100x37 is nice here. vga= only allows three (I think). * You can design your own text modes if you have special needs (for example visually impaired can choose 40x20. Linux is just great.) * You can alter your vertical refresh in text mode!! This is the best thing, because you can reduce the flickering. I am running 100x37 with a refresh rate of 85 Hz. = A big YES for SVGATextMode. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Let's hunt the oldest bug!
+-+ | You don't have the time or experience to become a Debian developer? | | Nevertheless you want to help? | | or | | You are a hacker, longing for a task that is up to your abilities? | +-+ |H U N T T H E B U G !| +-+ | A few minutes of your time can already help!| +-+ Hello, Bug #740 is the oldest open bug report in the Debian archive. We have two options: 1) Leave it there, as a symbol of the eternity of our Bug Tracking System, or 2) Hunt it, localize it, fix it. Although 1) is very tempting, I thought we could at least try to find a reliable way to reproduce the bug, so we can forward it upstream. Background information: Some people report that xclock leaves droppings in the window, this means, the handles are not deleted correctly, some pixel remain. Possible causes of the problem: XClock callls XDrawLines() and XFillPolygon() to update the handles twice, both times with the very same arguments, so the bug seems to be hidden in the X libraries and/or servers or even in the FPU unit of the processor. If anyone does find droppings, please supply relevant information like: - which version of the xbase and xlib6/xlib6g packages you use - which Xserver you use (name and version) - how the Xserver is configured in /etc/X11/XF86Config (FastRam activated? etc) - which video card you have and how fast the memory is (70 or 60ns?) - which kernel you are using (self-compiled or Debian, FPU emulation?) - which libc version have - which kind of CPU you have (as detailed as possible, because this 'bug' could be caused by FPU errors) - the exact command you start xclock with, including all parameters and switches - versions of other important things I probably have forgotten +---+ | Please run the attached `fastclock' binary, it is an `optimized' | | version of xclock, which runs about 60 times faster than the original.| | As I have never seen droppings, I can't tell you how long you have to | | run the program. If you see artifacts, please submit the information | | above to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +---+ Thank you for your help, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09 fastclock Description: Binary data
Re: hi
On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 10:30:56PM +0100, Michael Hofmann wrote: Hallo ich habe eine Mahnung in Höhe von 34 DM bekommen. Und zwar von meiner Bestellung im September von Linux GNU. Da diese Bestellung aber nicht angekommen ist und ich in einigen Newsservern über schlechte Liefereigenschaften von ihnen Erfahren habe, habe ich mir inzwischen Linux S.U.S.E zugelegt. Ich möchte hiermit auch meine Bestellung aufheben, falls dies noch nicht geschehen ist. Denn ich war der Meinung wenn nach 2 Monaten nichts gekommen ist meine E-Mail nicht angekommen. Anscheinend bestätigen sich die Gerüchte in den Mailservern. Tut mir sehr leid das es so gekommen ist, da ich ja nur gutes über ihre Produkte gehört habe aber S.U.S.E ist zuverläsiger. Michael [translation can be found at the end of the message] Hallo Michael! Tut mir auch leid, aber irgendwie bist Du hier an der falschen Adresse. Debian ist eine Non-Profit Organisation, und wir vertreiben keine CD's. Wir stellen unsere gesamte Distribution (über 1500 Pakete) kostenlos im Internet zur Verfügung. Nocheinmal: Wir sind nicht kommerziell. Du kannst alles von ftp.debian.org downloaden. Ohne registrierung, ohne Bezahlung. Händler pressen unsere Software auf CD und verkaufen diese. Du solltest Dich also direkt an den Händler wenden, bei dem Du die CD bestellt hast. Es gibt verschiedene Händler die Debian anbieten. Einige sind sehr zuverlässig. Weitere fragen an diese Liste bitte in Englisch. Deutsche email an [EMAIL PROTECTED] oder an mich privat. Tschüß, Marcus Michael wrote: Hello, I've got a bill about 34 DM, w.r.t my order from September of Linux GNU. The order has never arrived, and I have heard rumours about bad delivering behaviour from you in the news server, therefore I bought SuSE in the meantime. I want to cancel my order. Because I was of the opinion, if nothing happens after two months my email hasn't arrived. It seems that the rumours certify. I'm sorry that it happened this way, because I have heard only good of your products, but SuSE is more rreliable. I answered: I'm sorry too, but somehow you are at the wrong address. Debian is a non-profit organization, and we don't sell CD's. We provide access to our distribution (over 1500 packages) for free in the internet. Again, we a re not commercial. You can download everything from ftp.debian.org. No registration, no fee. Vendors press our software on CD and sell them. Therefore you should direct your mail to the vendor from which you ordered your CD. There are several vendors who sell Debian. Some are very reliable. More questions to this list in english please. German emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or to me. -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Isapnp won't see my AWE64 sound card.
On Sun, Nov 01, 1998 at 05:04:19PM -0500, roadrun37 wrote: does anyone have this problem? Please read my Howto and post me your isapnp.conf file. In this order. http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/soundblaster.html Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: ALSA........
On Sun, Nov 01, 1998 at 01:32:28AM -0300, Phillip Neumann wrote: Hello, I just get kernel 2.1.126 and i have a problem with it. Sounds woes not work... i was told on irc, that the sound support of this kernel of broken for SB cards (i have SB AWE 64). The sound support from the kernel is from OSS, isnit? Well what about alsa?, there are several packages as debian package: alsa-modules alsalib alsautils alsa-source alsadriver2.0.34 alsalib-dev Which one should i install and how do i configure it for my soundcard? Maybe should i path the kernel (dont know how...)? or maybe should i get alsa from its homepage (not deb package)? Alsa has no AWE support currently (you would only get SB 16 features). I doubt that any of the packages listed above are something you want. I would recommend you downgrading to a kernel which has working sound support. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: I can't use talk.
On Thu, Oct 29, 1998 at 06:38:13PM -0200, Hernan Joel Cervantes Rodriguez anti - spamspanm=if\ wrote: Dear Sir : I have installed the hamm distribution without problems, apparently. The system is working well. My problems is with the talk daemon. All other services (telnetd, ftpd, ) are working but when I do a talk from other unix box I can connect. Any clue? the portmap and inetd.conf are right. Stupid question... have you msg y with the recipient? Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: how do I extract a 2.6 gigabyte .tar.gz file ?
On Thu, Oct 29, 1998 at 05:26:19PM -0500, Darxus wrote: Well, I remembered seeing something somewhere that let me find the inode number of a file, and found it in ls's man page. Any chance I can use an inode number to tell dd where to find it ? You can use debugfs to get the inode and blocks for ext2fs partitions. But as the file will not be continuos, tracking the blocks will be a pain in the ass. There is the undelete mini howto which describes the procedure. But then, dd can't seek, so you'd have to write a program to skip the amount of blocks until you reach the block you want (or you'll have to write a small program to seek to the position). Still, you could only get single blocks. How about splitting the file under windows ??? Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: X-font called 'fixed'
On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 10:05:02AM +0200, Remco van de Meent wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, David Karlin wrote: : I ran gunzip on all the files in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc, then : ran compress on all the files. Now the are all *.Z files. : : Vncserver still barfed looking for fixed (same error msg). BTW, : I noticed that there actually are some files in that directory : which have `fixed' in their descriptions. Hmm, strange. It worked for me some time ago, I'm pretty sure. VNC Debian package supports gz fonts since I maintain in. The real problem is that /etc/X11/XF86Config contains font dirs that are not existant. Either install the missing fonts or use $fontpath= /usr/X11R6/lib/fonts/misc and add fonts one by one. This will override the value in /etc/X11/XF86Config for VNC only, This is a known bug/limitation, that I need to fix urgently. Normal X server seem to ignore not existing font paths, but VNC breaks. : I then ran mkfontdir on that directory, and restarted vncserver. : Still can't open 'fixed'. Is there something like a font server : that I need to run vncserver? Another way is indeed to run the xfs-fontserver. In /etc/vncserver, you should define this one: $cmd .= -fp tcp/localhost:7100; This is not necessary, see above. Fontserver can be used alsoo, but normal gz fonts should work. I would recommend the original submitter to change the fonts to gz again and run mkfontdir in all subdirectories. (and whatever is needed else). Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: vnc x-windows server looking for xauth
On Mon, Oct 12, 1998 at 10:33:11AM -0400, Immanuel Yap wrote: David Karlin wrote: vncserver: couldn't find xauth on your PATH. Do you have X11 installed? ascus:~ $ dpkg -S xauth xbase: /usr/X11R6/bin/xauth xbase: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/xauth.1x.gz Noel is right, I'm missing a dependency. Thank you for this information. No need to file a bug report, the next upload will have the required dependency. Thank you, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: ***HUGE*** security hole??!! (Re: Lost root passwd)
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 01:13:17PM -0400, Shaleh wrote: But people can always yank the power cord. Follow Paul's advice -- make the machine physically in-accessible. Lock it, fence it in, whatever. Locking racks is also nice. That way people can't even see the machine, just a big cabinet. This way you can hide the old 386 Linux server in a big 2 meter monster cabinet, so you don't have to explain why the performance is so high. people wouldn't understand anyway :) However, I said that the power chord should be removed. the reason is that I think you can get the monitor screen, user input etc from radiation led through the power chord. This may be hard but possible, someone else might know more. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Sound Card
On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 06:35:00PM -0400, Rick Pasotto wrote: On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 05:48:57PM +1300, Michael Beattie wrote: On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Collin Rose wrote: How do I configure my sound card in linux? io=220 i=5 You have to recompile your kernel, and enable sound support, either as a module, or built-in. That this is necessary is one thing that will definitely keep linux from being a consumer os. The average user expects sound and doesn't even know what a compiler is. So what? Kernel compilation can be sufficiently automated, modules are another solution. Making modules confgurable, too. Ever tried the kernel-package? Building a kernel is as hard as entering two lines verbatim from the docs, and configuring it. Configuration could be improved with better documentation. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Lost root passwd
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 02:09:27PM +1000, Clement wrote: Hi, I lost the root passwd on a machine. Can someone give me a hand to re-establish a new one? I lost the procedures somewhere. Boot with a boot floppy (the rescue disk). Kill the passwd form /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow if you have shadow on (most likely). Just remove the trash between the first and second double point :. Then reboot, your password is the empty password. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: ***HUGE*** security hole??!! (Re: Lost root passwd)
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 11:26:30AM +0200, Norbert Nemec wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 10:42:52 +0100, Ralf G. R. Bergs wrote: On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:52:49 -0700 (PDT), George Bonser wrote: [...] ALlow me to translate. Boot the rescue disk as if you are installing, [whole story deleted] Hey guys, why so complicated??? What's wrong with giving LILO a kernel command line of init=/bin/sh? This way you boot straight into sh, and you can then change the root password. This is how I usually do it under Slackware, and even tho Debian uses shadow passwords it should work the same way. Ouch, I tried it, it really works That means on a standard Linux-machine, everybody could just switch off the power, give the LILO-kernel option on reboot and be root??!! Why not simply drop the need of a login password? If you want a secure machine, put the hardware in a metal case, and give nobody access to it. Especially, remove all connections, including the power cord! Serious, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
Re: Getting Dubian to work
Hello Steve, On Fri, Oct 09, 1998 at 10:36:51PM +0100, steve wrote: I have tried three times to intstall debian 2.0. I don't seem to have a problem once the install is complete. The system boots just fine. Great, this is the first step in the Debian world! However, I have been trying to using man to look at the various manuels for assistance and the os reports that it can't find man. Install man-db package, which contains the man executable, which isn't installed first. or use dselect to install all standard package,s which gives you a comfortable base system to start with. Also in trying to download new packages I have downloaded some .deb files, for example man-db_2_3_10-65 and manpag_1_19-1.deb. This I have done so as to read the manuuels. I cannot get the os to recognise the new .deb files either in dos or using the rawrite2 prog to copy the images to disk. I cannot seem to get the system to read the floppy and load or install the .deb files. I have tried this with both dselect ant dpkg -i. Mmmh. Copy the files on MS DOS formatted diskettes, using windows or dos. Then use either mcopy from the mtools packe (if installed) to copy the files to Debian (as root, maybe), or mount the floppies: mount /dev/fd0 /mnt then cd /mnt and you should see the content there (try ls). Install with dpkg -i *.deb or so. Then umount /mnt to remove the mount point (after leaving the directory). Do this as root. The directories are also not reporting their contents correctly apparently. The prog when I do try to install tells me that the device isn't in the mtab or fstab files. Yet when I navigate to these files I cannot open them and there is nothing listed as being contained in the files. I don't understand what is going wrong here, but I've never heard of linux not reporting directory content correctly, so I assume you are doing something fundamentally wrong here. Could you give a transcript of what you typed and the exact error messages? I know I am a newbie. It has been a pleasure to find and use another operating system besides w95. But despite three attempts at installation I cannot seem to be getting the system ot work properly. Please try the howtos, which give you a start: zless /usr/doc/HOWTO/DOS-to-Linux-HOWTO.gz if you have the doc-linux package installed (maybe the package name is a bit different). Or search the web for it. I hope I have ezplained my problems clearly but if not please ask me questions as I would like to make full use of debian and maybe learn enough to help someone else. Great, welcome home! Your report wasn't too bad, but some things are unclear to me(see above). As a thumb rule it is often useful to report commands and error messages verbatim. Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god.Debian GNU/Linuxfinger brinkmd@ Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED]for public PGP Key http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ PGP Key ID 36E7CD09
