RE: Co-dependency conflict
Hi, Please excuse my extreme ignorance. I am running SLINK and wanted to upgrade to these very packages. At the debian web site I find that they are not listed in stable. I have always assumed that stable is SLINK, frozen is potatoe and so on. Will packages listed in frozen and unstable run on SLINK? I have always assumed that this was not recommended and have been waiting patiently for potatoe to become stable. I am only interested in upgrading these two packages. Nothing else is of interest. Regards ... > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Whitlock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 22 June 2000 7:37 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Co-dependency conflict > > > I'm using Debian 2.1 (slink) and I have two packages I'm trying > to install, > g++2.95.2-12 and libstdc++2.1-dev that seem to depend on each > other.
RE: MS Access and Linux
Hi, Just a further point of interest. If you want connectivity between an MS Access database and a linux application, you don't need samba. There are some quite nice WINNT/WIN98 ODBC socket servers available. The client code is very simple and runs on most operating systems. Your linux client issues SQL commands, which are fowarded to the socket server. A response is generated and returned in an XML format. I have been using this type of connectivity with linux and qnx clients. Approximately 10,000 MS Access database queries can be handled per hour (on the network at work). Get to the freshmeat site and use ODBC as the search keyword. This is a far simpler approach and may be what you are looking for. Regards > -Original Message- > From: marco frattola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 19 June 2000 9:25 PM > To: 'Jed Shepardson'; 'Debian User List' > Subject: R: MS Access and Linux > > > last week, there was a discussion about samba and access on the samba > mailing list (www.samba.org for their archives) > i've been using samba with debian box for 5 years, with very few problems. > what are you exactly looking for? > > Marco Frattola (S3 - Sviluppo Software e Sistemi) - > Cubecom S.p.A. > Via de Marini,1 3 piano Torre WTC > 16149 GENOVA > tel. 010 6591184 >
RE: Realtime sched and floppy (Was: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob))
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Karl M. Hegbloom > Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2000 12:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Robert Waldner; debian-user@lists.debian.org; Michael Skipper > Subject: Realtime sched and floppy (Was: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box > under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)) > > Richard> It works correctly from the dos box in WIN98 second > Richard> edition. I wouldn't > Richard> recommend trying it while you have other application running. > > Linux has similar trouble under certain conditions. The motivation for my comment is that you don't want any application trying to access the drive apart from rawrite. You'll be suprised how often this can happen and it totally stuffs things up. Regards Richard
RE: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)
> -Original Message- > From: Martin Albert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 21 May 2000 5:52 PM > To: Karl M. Hegbloom > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad > install prob) > > CrossBrand - BIOS upgrade/reference disks corrupted by Windows 95/98 > Applicable Countries: Worldwide Thanks for this information. This explains some of the floppy disk corruptions we have at work. Does this still happen when the disk write protect tab is open? The cure is to clearly label every disk with a large warning. Regards Richard
RE: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Karl M. Hegbloom > Sent: Saturday, 20 May 2000 4:00 PM > To: Robert Waldner > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org; Michael Skipper > Subject: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad > install prob) > > Have other people exerienced this? (I've never used Windows >= 3.1, > so I don't know.) > It works correctly from the dos box in WIN98 second edition. I wouldn't recommend trying it while you have other application running. Regards ...
RE: Wanted a free library for computational geometry
> -Original Message- > From: Daniele Cruciani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2000 11:00 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Wanted a free library for computational geometry > > Really I don't think i can find it on freshmeat or as a python > library, but in a research institute maybe, however i'll have a look, > thank you. Have a quick look at the following link: http://sal.kachinatech.com/index.shtml This is a site dedicated to scientific applications/libraries/code for LINUX. Its a good starting point for the sort of things you are after. Regards ...
RE: Mail/news software
> -Original Message- > From: Steve Lamb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 10:11 PM > To: Kovacs Istvan > Cc: Debian User List > Subject: Re: Mail/news software > > I'll now let people try to prove me wrong but > so far I have not seen a beast which comes close to the usability > of Windows applications. Sure, they have the power to do some impressive > stuff, but they don't have the interface to match. > I agree. Over the years I have tried various linux mail/news readers and web browsers. Unfortunately, while they may be very powerful I still honestly prefer to use Outlook and Internet Explorer. The day I find suitable replacements Win98 is off this machine. I check the freshmeat site every few days in hope. Each now and again I do consider writing my own mail/new reader for linux. It really a matter of getting enough time and motivation. I don't like the Netscape browser on either Win98 or Linux. It's clunky and seems to crash with a greater regularity than Internet Explorer. So I use Win98 for the internet and Debian for work. Regards ...
RE: Mail/news software
> -Original Message- > From: Phillip Deackes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 11:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Mail/news software > > I disagree and am continually posting info about an excellent email app > called Ishmail. It was a commercial offerring but the source code has > now been released. It is available on www.ishmail.com > Thanks for the information. Does it have news reader capability? Regards ...
RE: Mail/news software
> -Original Message- > From: Phillip Deackes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 11:13 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Mail/news software > > > I am very sorry if I offend, but I find emacs/xemacs about the most > off-putting thing in Linux. Show a newbie that and you will see the dust > as he turns and runs back to the Windows camp. > Nedit is a good editor for people use to Microsoft style editors. I don't know if there are any debs for the latest version, but it is pretty simple to compile yourself. I recently converted after using emacs for 8 years. It is great for writing code. Regards ...
RE: printers
I have been using an HP Laserjet 6L for 2 years. It does not have ps emulation, but ghostscript works fine. > -Original Message- > From: jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2000 4:23 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: printers > > > I'm looking for good reliable laser printer.. most of what it will be > printing will be post script docs so it would be nice if it had ps > emulation on the printer itself.. speed's not a great issue.. i was > wondering if anyone had any suggestion that don't cost an arm and a leg? > thanks. > > > > -jason > > "When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you > sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity." > -Einstein > > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe > [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > >
Re: Too many subdirectories
> I hate to ask, but... why??? I duplicated this for the sake of making > sure this script would work, and it brought my system to it's knees. > A classic troll technique.
Re: HELP! [homega@vlc.servicom.es: unexpected inconsistency!]
> Now, after two days > it has happened yet again ... this time while editing various files on > three different consoles: all of a sudden I got a message (don't remember > which one), and couldn't do anything else, not even ^C. I had to reset the > machine (^AltDel wouldn't work either) and the fsck gave me an error on one > of the disk partitions; then gave me the choice to either enter my root > password to fix the problem, or to press ^D. I did the former and got this > prompt: > [none]~# > ran e2fsck on the partition, exit, and reboot... yet another wrong partition > ... but this time I could log as normal root. I ran e2fsck again and that's > it ... just that this is starting to sound worrying, so please, could you > give me an idea of what could be going on here? > I can't give you a specific answer, but I have been though a similar problem. Something is causing your computer to hangup. It could be software or hardware related. If you are editting/saving a number of files and the system hangs the file system is left in an inconsistant state. When you reboot fsck kicks in and tries to fix things. If software is causing the problem you can generally identify when the problem is occuring. ie. I do xxx on the system and everything goes haywire or I upgraded some software and now I have a problem. If there is a problem with the hardware generally it seems to be more difficult to identify what is going on. It is possible that you could have: Processor is overheating - Check the processor fan Cache/Memory corruption - Use bios to check memory Hard disk - Check cables, run badblocks (read only) Did you recently open the computer and change/touch anything? Do not install or upgrade any software until you have sorted out this problem. Running deselect on a sick system is a path to disaster. I had a hard disk go down. The initial problems were identical to what you are seeing. But the problem got much worse. Do a backup now. Save any thing you don't want to lose. Think about what you have done over the last few days. Has anything else unusual happened? Regards ...
Re: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?
> However, your last sentence is so seriously misleading that it must > be corrected. > I'm interested. > First, octave is no "spreadsheet" but close to being a clone of the > MatLab core executable. Therefore it is a highly programmable matrix- and > array-oriented general-purpose numerical analysis package and it is > exremely powerful. What it lacks relative to MatLab is the range of > "toolboxes" which add specialised pre-programmed functionality. Though it > does have its own Statistics "toolbox" this is less complete than > MatLab's. However, nothing whatever prevents a knowledgeable user from > programming their own very sophisticated statistical analysis, far beyond > what any spreadsheet known to me could achieve. > Octave is good. I use it extensively. But it is not a specialised statistics software package like statistica. > In addition there are some powerful "free unix programs" which specialise > in Statistics. "R" and "XLispStat" are important examples. An important > though more specialised (based on Monte Carlo approaches to Bayesian > statistics) package is BUGS, also available for Linux. > I can't claim to have used these packages, but at least they will give the originator of this thread (and me) something to look at. > And, lest your last sentence should give the impression that only > programs with spreadsheet-like capability are available for UNIX > generally, don't forget that almost all the major programs exist > in UNIX versions (MatLab, S-plus, SPSS, Mathematica, SAS, maybe also > Statistica, and so on) and many of them have been ported to Linux > as well (MatLab being early on the Linux scene). > Statistica is a push and click program that allows you to preform some pretty complex analysis with relatively little affort. I don't think the originator of this thread is particularly interested in writing m code etc ... Well at least my slightly abrasive email caused you to write an informative reply useful to all. Regards
Re: Gnome 1.0 debs?
> The staging area is not a secret, it is publically available, too, for > developers and testers. Check the dtk-gnome mailling list archiv if you are > interested (or devel-announce). > And by testing this you make a significant worthwhile contribution to the Debian project. Whoops ... gnome 1.0.2 is just released. Here we go again.
Re: Gnome 1.0 debs?
> > Couldn't .debs that aren't 100% at least go into potato? That's what > unstable is for isn't it ? Why is there this pent up frustration for always having the absolute latest versions of software? I would have thought it may be a good idea to wait a few weeks to see if others report that there major goofs. Quality is very very important. We do want debian to be more reliable than windows 98. Unstable does not means completely untested, otherwise it would be a rather worthless minefield. If you really are so keen you could just download the source code and compile it. This is not a difficult option and by identifying any bugs you would be helping the debian community. I'll just wait, hoping that the debian people do a good job. A few weeks or so is not a long period of time. The people doing this work are not getting paid, so they probablely only have a limited time each day to do this work. Regards
Re: Statistics/graphing programs for scientists?
> I'm just about to get my doctorate in neuroscience, > and I have have several large databases essential for my dissertation. > For statistical analysis, I use Statistica for windows, and for graphing > my data, I use SigmaPlot for windows. A call to all scientists out there > - are there any native X-based programs that are as good as these? > Although these programs are excellent, I would rather not trust my > dissertation to the OS I have come to call Sir Crash-a-lot... My only > other option is to use a windows emulator (like WINE)... I don't believe there is anything in the same league as statistica. If you can tolerate a time warp of about 25 years I hear that a GNU equivalent of SPSS is been written. Ask some of the older staff members what they think of SPSS. Some of the modern methods of statistical analysis may not be supported. No free unix program is going to provide the sort of on-line help, user interface or range of analysis methods that comes with statistica. Unix applications like octave are not going to provide any better statistical analysis than a spreadsheet. I would be very wary of running statistica under WINE. Perhaps if you are running WIN98/95, you should consider stepping up to WINNT (actually the thought of running statistica on win95/98 is scarey). A carefully installed WINNT on a standalone non-networked machine that is rebooted every 24 hours or so is pretty reliable. Perhaps you should check what other platforms are supported by Statistica. There may be a SCO Unix version available. SCO is free for educational purposes. Hopefully you are making a point of backing up all of your data and documents on a regular basis. Hardware can fail also. Regards
Re: I can't beleive this
> I have no respect for those people. Yes, a computer is a tool. But > lets drop in a few other examples. > Well linux is a tool for me. I don't care a monkey about the internal workings of the kernel. Its only important to me that it works. Yes I have had to compile a kernel image to get all of my hardware working. I would have preferred not to do this. Not everyone is interested in fiddling around with somewhat droll configuration tasks. There are much more interesting things to do with a computer. Cheers
Re: writing device drivers for fbsd
> What is a good reference to learn to to write device drivers for fbsd? I > remember some recommended a good book a few months ago but forgot to save the > message. > Is this a troll? The obvious answer is to ask the question on the fbsd mail lists. Those friendly bsd folks will help out. Most of us try to discuss debian linux in this list.
Re: I can't beleive this
> P.S. I'm a fairly new linux user and I actually like dselect. Should I > seek counseling? :) > Yes I am new to linux and like dselect. Gives one a good grasp on what is going on and makes installing packages a breeze. Maybe we should form the dselect self-help group to try and convince ourselves that dselect is no good. Maybe repeating the following 500 times every morning will help: gui is good and bill is great gui is good and bill is great
Re: I can't believe this
> I'm now taking a course in Linux. It's the only way I can learn > it. Dos, Windows, Assembler, AppleDos, etc are all self -intuitive. Linux > is not. Have you tried a good book like "Running LINUX" by Welsh and Kaufman (O'Reilly)? It helped me a lot. The linux HOWTOs are pretty good also. Seems a bit crazy to use a free os and then have to spend money on training. Logically it may be better to spend some money on an os which doesn't require specialist training to understand. Regards ..
Re: Slink CDs available -> Australia
> I'm currently offering CDs 1,2 and 5 (all the binary CDs -- source will > come along soon). Given the prices most people in Australia are forced > to pay for net access it will almost certainly be a lot cheaper to buy > the CDs than download. > So Tyson, do you have the official SLINK release available yet? Can we pick it up in Fitzroy (Melbourne/Victoria) while having a quiet drink? Regards ...
Re: Linux
> I would like to invest in Linux but can't find a stock in that name -- > can you help I suggest the fastest and best way to lose your money is to send it to me.
Re: packages missing
Are we talking about HAMM? > are there some x-packages missing from stable? (xfree86-common and so > on) if so, when are they going to get here?
Re: Linux&Dos assmebler
> I was thinking about learning assembler, but there is a > problem. > I heard about DOS interrupts, which I guess work only in > DOS. > Which I guess means that if I buy a book about x86 > assembler, > and it speak a lot about that interrupt things, > I have a fair chance it wouldn't work in Linux, is that > right? > Maybe in that case, there are "Linux x86 assembler" books? > > Another question: How assembler works in the secure Linux > environment? > Linux checks that calls are not a threat to the system? > Funny how this question has come up again. You might like to check the list archive for the previous discussion. To start this you will need to learn: X86 assembler - Get a good general purpose book without too many references to any operating system. GAS The GNU assembler. It comes with it's own documentation. Writing assembler in LINUX. See the Assembly-HOWTO that comes with all linux distros (ie look in /usr/doc/HOWTO). The simplest way to test a few assembler instructions is to use the assembler in-line capabilities of gcc . Forget anything you learnt about DOS software interrupts. There nothing wrong with staying with DOS until you feel confident with assembler. At least it is simple. Linux is good as a host platform if you want to write assembler for what is known as a embedded target. Regards
Re: Is Linux addictive?
I think it is called sensory deprivation, ultimately leading to hallucinations.
Re: Vote Linus for Person of the Century
> Oh, goodie! A religious discussion! > OK I'm voting for Adam. Without him we all would be dust.
Re: Vote Linus for Person of the Century
> Don't even think Linus should BE the person of the century. That honor > probably goes to Thomas Edison. We owe our current culture and style of > living to that guy. His experiments with his lightbulb led to the > discovery of the "Edison effect" which led DeForest to do some more > experiments which led to the Vacuum Tube which led to the Transistor, > which lead to the IC Chip. Not only was Edison's work responsible for > laying the ground work for radio and television, he also played vital > roles in bringing motion pictures and recorded music to the public. > Nope I don't think I will vote for any person on the basis of scientific or technical merit. A more global view is required.
Re: fig2dev (fig -> gif)
> I suppose I could find something else that can do jpeg -> gif > conversion, but there doesn't seem to be much point converting from a > lossy format to a non lossy format just for the sake of it! > There is such a thing as loss less jpeg. It may be supported.
Re: fig2dev (fig -> gif)
> I'm trying to use fig2dev to convert fig format images into gifs, but I > keep getting empty gif files. Your right! It's actually the transfig package as a whole which appears to have no support for the generation of gif. If you look at the source code you will find there is support for reading gifs, but none for generating them. gif is a proprietry non-free format. You have to pay a license fee if you want to distribute applications which generate gifs. You can however distribute code which reads gifs for free. The alternatives are to use png or jpeg formats. I can't remember all the details, but all of this is due to some rather famous legal moves initiated a few years ago by a large US corporation. The PNG format was developed as a direct response. By not using gifs you are indirectly promoting the use of open standards/protocols/formats. Some others may have a clearer recollection of the details. Regards ...
Re: Big HD problems - How stuffed am I?
> I've also been having problems with a Quantum... this one is detected > as Quantum BIGFOOT_CY4320A. It was first installed as a Win95 drive. > Wasn't long before Windows started detecting errors at the beginning > of the drive, and it finally became unusable. I'm using it for linux > now. When I partitioned it, I created a junk partition of 100M at the > beginning (where the errors were occuring), then created a 500M root > partition after that. Then I deleted the first partition and created > the remaining ones after the root. This left 100M unused. I still > get error messages, occasionally, but it doesn't seem to be getting > any worse. I have had a quantum go down recently. After my experiences I recommend ditching the drive as soon as these problems appear. Things will only get worse. The local supplier mentioned that this appears to be a batch quality issue. Some batch shipments from quantum have a 100% failure rate over 12 months, whereas others are fine. Providing the drive is not too old you can put in a warranty claim with quantum. Yours in common grief
Re: Xfig question
> I am forced to use a lo-res X server (basically, a VGA server with > 16 colours). Recently, I have had need to use xfig.The problem is that > xfig enjoys using hi reesolution servers, and I am left with only a handful > of icons on the left hand side toolbar, and none underneath. I have been > trying to fiddle around with .Xdefaults, and the --geometry tag, but to no > avail. Any ideas? > I think the minimum screen size for the default xfig is 800x600. If you look at the xfig man pages you will find some options like -but_per_row , -pwidth and -pheight which are used for small screens. You should never use -geometry as it screws up some of the dialog windows.
Re: PINE permission...
> Hey! UW has given me permission to distribute PINE. COOL. > You sure are a dedicated dude. I am getting sick of exmh, so I think I switch back to pine.
Re: hda: unexpected_intr: Error=0x41 { DriveStatusError }
> I have tried several ways of istalling debian, I have formatted my disk
> with BIOS, with fdisk, with fips. I am getting an error message that
> repeats its self:
>
> had: unexpected_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> hda: unexpected_intr: status=0x41 { DriveStatusError }
>
A few weeks ago I started getting this error. At first it only appeared
intermittently, but over a period of a few days things became worse, with
serious corruptions of the file system. There was a point reached where the
hard disk was totally unusable and had to be replaced. Initially only a few
bad blocks were reported when running badblock, but a point was reached where
something like 50% of the blocks were bad and then the system just refused to
boot. A new hard disk fixed all of the problems.
In response to a question I posted on this new group, others reported that
this error is shown on their systems during boot up with no ill-effects. It
seems that this error is most likely to be reported during system start-up.
Some times just pressing the reset button and allowing the system to reboot
seems to make the problem go away for a while.
If you have another hard disk available I would try using it.
Regrds ...
Re: Disk Partioning (FDISK)
superformat -Da: --dosverify /dev/fd0 > Using Fdisk on a Disk that has a working copy of Win 98 which i wanted to > put Debian on i get this error: > Checking Boot sector > Error: Number of Sectors > (long) does not match partition info > 2411873 instead of 3322305 > Please help!
Re: Sound configuration not in initial install
> David Webster wrote: > > > > Well Windows and OS/2 don't seem to have a problem with letting you > > configure your sound stuff right up front. How hard is it to add a > > sound item to modconf screen used in in the "Drivers Configuration" > > phase of the install?. Afterall, these drivers are all modules and each > > could have it's own documentation for configuring io, irq, dma, etc... > > if need be. We seem to have no trouble putting dozens of ethernet card > > configs in the "net" option. What makes sound so different? > I disagree with this statement. Installing support for a soundblaster awe32 card on NT is not done up-front. It has to be done after the system is installed and the correct drivers have been located on the internet. The NT boot disks do not have any support for sound cards. The NT CDROM only has a limited number of drivers available. I have to download drivers for my video card, sound card, printer and zip drive and install these manually after completing the initial installation. These drivers are not found on the Microsoft site either. At least with hamm I have everything on a single CDROM and don't require to download drivers/modules/kernels. The only real pain is re-linking the kernel first off. You can guess which system I find easier to install.
Re: Installing DOS and ATAPI CD probs
> Else, since reinstallation the CDROM driver is not working well. It's and > OTI-HERMES ATAPI (primary slave) and during installation gave many errors > like: > hdb: irq timeout: status=0xd0 > hdb: ATAPI reset complete > > and I'm having a hard time to mount it or to run dselect with it. > I have the same error message. The computer is about 12 months old and only started displaying this message in the last month. The message is displayed during boot. Running badblocks repeatablely shows differing bad blocks for each run. I think there is some sort of start-up problem with the controller or hard disk. Currently I work around the problem by the following procedure: 1. Turn on the computer and observe the linux start-up 2. When the error is reported, push the reset button The second time linux boots up with no problems. I run NT on a partition and it is very distressed during boot-up also, so it's nothing to do with any debian/linux code. I have found some of the debian package setup files in /var have been corrupted by this problem. This weekend I plan to pull the machine to pieces and check all the hardware. Then I will try another hard drive. I may also try doing a low-level HD preformat via bios. The computer has a Gigabyte GA-586HX motherboard with onboard IDE controller. Using linux on my computer is a timebomb. I don't know which files are going to be corrupted next. If you make some progress, I will be interested to hear about it. Regard ...
Re: Can't Mount a Zip Drive
Hi, I have a SCSII zip installed on a hamm system. During boot with no disk in the drive I get the following messages: aha152x: processing commandline: ok aha152x: BIOS test: passed, detected 1 controller(s) aha152x0: vital data: PORTBASE=0x140, IRQ=11, SCSI ID=7, reconnect=enabled, parity=enabled, synchronous=disabled, delay=100, extended translation=disabled aha152x: trying software interrupt, ok. scsi0 : Adaptec 152x SCSI driver; $Revision: 1.18 $ scsi : 1 host. Vendor: IOMEGAModel: ZIP 100 Rev: E.08 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Detected scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 5, lun 0 scsi : detected 1 SCSI disk total. sda : READ CAPACITY failed. sda : status = 0, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 28 sda : extended sense code = 2 sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB. You have not provided any details about your system setup, so it is hard to give you specific directions. It does appear that something is not quite right with your kernel/module setup and the scsi card is not detected. The how-to instuctions provide details on how this should be done. You will need to identify some parameters like irq, i/obase addressing and id for your scsi card. For normal dos/win formatted zip disks, you have to mount /dev/sda4, as this is the default used by iomega. Hope some of this helps and your not just trolling ...
Re: slashdot poll
< Interesting message from Keith ... > What Keith has done here is list the advantages of Debian over Redhat. I agree with every point he has listed. RH is great, providing you want to follow their rules. I know a lot of people who don't run X, they don't need it. Do we really want Debian just to be a clone of Redhat?
Re: slashdot poll
> If an F1 motor was put into a mini-van body would it be any less powerful > or more difficult to actually start ? > It would be a complete disaster. Yes it would be a pain to start, the clutch would melt and the flywheel would go into orbit around mars. Maybe a better analogy would be replacing the manual transmission with an automatic. More comfort for some, but utterly annoying for others who like to push their machine. Now let me tell you about my cute little gold 306 GTI
Re: Few ideas
> 1) The package system could switch on something more source-based. I > mean, there have been a few discussions on optimizing packages. > (Debian-i686) On a compile it yourself, the package can hardly be more > optimized to your computer. Your statement is a rather broad generalisation, which is not true for most of the debian packages. Why complicate the installation process for no real gain?
Re: Find
> Does anyone know if there's a program like the "find" program in > windows? It allows you to search for a key word in most windows you > have open, it finds the word, takes you to the word and highlights it. This is not possible. For example, what if you have a bitmap displayed which has text drawn in it? This requires optical character recognition.
Re: slashdot poll
> What do people like about RH? Is it worth trying to nick parts of their > install? I found it a pain - It wouldn't let me just install individual > packages, though I wonder whether some of the modconf stuff could be left > out for the initial install. > Maybe people like the RH install because they are familar with a Microsoft GUI install. They perceive that a GUI install screen must be superior to a text screen. I don't think trying to compete with redhat is going to achieve a lot. Redhat can throw money at the producing a nice looking install, whereas debian relies on volunteers. Surely it would be better to concentrate on an official SLINK release, more packages, etc ... If someone feels strongly that a GUI install is essential, do it yourself.
Re: Find
> I can't say I'm a grep whiz but I don't think it will do what I'm looking > for. For > example if I'm looking for a certain word in a long text file, the file is > loaded > in an xterm window, will grep find the word and place it in front of me > highlighted? In windows I hit "ctrl+f", I get a pop up that allows me to > enter a > word, search for the word up or down and the program places it in my view. This is not an inbuilt feature of windows, it is implemented in the application which controls the window. For example, you won't find a search in paintbrush. What is the point of the question you asked??
Re: Hard Disk Error Messages
Look like it could be a problem with motherboard or controller. When I booted up tonight there are no problems. Running badblocks detects no problems with the paritition and dumpe2fs lists none either. I will have to pull the machine to bits, look for anything loose and clean the fans. > Don't know how to solve it, but if it helps anyone who knows more about hard > disks than me my hd gives the first2 lines and it works fine. > You could try running e2fsck -c if you can get it working, as that could > correct the third error (possibly). >
Re: Anarchy! Yes, Anarchy!
> There's not really a solution to that, ever, for an OS distributed on the > Internet. MS distributes boot floppies with their non-upgrade OS products > for the same reason. > > Well, there is one solution.. just convince the BIOS manufacturers to include > PPP code in the BIOS which can dialup and download the boot code. :-) > Just buy a machine that allows CDROM booting.
Hard Disk Error Messages
Hi All,
Recently when debian is coming up, the following message is displayed:
hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=65662, sector=65598
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01, sector 65598
EXT2-fs error (device 03:01): ext2_write_inode: unable to read inode block -
inode=8403, block=32799
Remounting filesystem read-only
hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hda: dma_intr: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }, LBAsect=65694, sector=65630
end_request: I/O error, dev 03:01, sector 65630
EXT2-fs error (device 03:01): ext2_write_inode: unable to read inode block -
inode=8535, block=32815
Remounting filesystem read-only
What does this exactly mean?
I have not setup LBA mapping on the hard disk, so why is LBA mentioned?
Is there a cure or my hardisk dying?
Regards ...
Re: off topic - Assembler using GCC
> I don't need it, but just out of curiosity, is there a more low-level > interface available? Or would one have to write a kernel module? > > I'm thinking, if you need to do non-standard things with the control lines > (say for a dongle). > In theory it is possible to do things like redirection of interrupts to the appropriate intel processor level. WINNT has this sort of capability. The issues here are: You start limit the portability of the OS between different processors. The overheads associated with the intervening code. Do we really expect/want linux to be a realtime OS? Surely all realtime code should be restricted to the the kernel and device drivers. Regards
Re: Slink CDs available -> Australia
Hi Tyson, As a satisfied customer, I would rather wait until there is an official release of Slink. I don't have any burning desire to run the cutting edge, but place more emphasis on a bug free complete distribution. Hopefully we will still be able to pick up the CDROMs in Fitzroy when they become available. Regards Richard Lyon.
Re: reading /usr/doc files
You can use emacs and the auto-compression-mode. ie. M-x auto-compression-mode > Is there a tool for reading the oodles of documentation in /usr/doc, or do > I just have to go in there, gunzip, and more? >
Re: GCC In-line assembler (Off topic)
> Could someone please tell me how to include in-line assembler routines in > my C programmes and what the procedure is for calling the routines ? > See the extended ASM node in the gcc info file (/usr/info/gcc.info.gz). I assume you installed gcc as a debian package using dselect. You can use emacs help to view this. > Is it possible to pass arguments to an in-line assembler routine ? If so, > how is this done ? > > Sorry for the off-topic post but I have been searching the web for hours > for this information and cannot find answers anywhere. > The documentation installed with debian just about eliminates the need to do any web browsing. This one of the great features of DEBIAN.
Re: using xfig + latex
> Do you know how to export xfig figures with latex commands and insert them > in latex files? I was unlucky with pictex, eepic and pstex_t. > I think the best and simplest way to export diagrams to latex is to use encapsulated postscript. Regards ...
Modifying /usr/info/dir (EMACS)
Hi, I have a number of aliens in my system with infomation files stored in /usr/local/info. In theory I can make these files visible to the emacs help by the following procedure: 1. Add the following line to .bashrc export INFOPATH=/usr/info:/usr/local/info 2. Modify /usr/info/dir to include entries for the aliens. Will custom modifications to dir cause a problem? What will happen if I install a debian package at a later date which contains info files? Will dir be maintained correctly? Regards ...
Re: WP 8 problem
-Original Message- From: Riccardo Tommasini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, 21 December 1998 15:58 Subject: Re: WP 8 problem >Riccardo Tommasini > >University of Berne - Institute of Applied Physics - Laser Dept. More to the point are there any good jobs for a PHD at Berne.
Re: WP 8 problem
Thanks for the info. I think for someone like me in Australia it might be cheaper to order the personal CDROM. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, 20 December 1998 6:38 Subject: Re: WP 8 problem > >My only suggestion is to get the BIG 23 Meg file and not to bother >with the 7 3-4 meg packages. They are a waste of time. >
WP8 - Lots of Joy and some grumbles
Hi all, I see this latest version of wordperfect is causing some excitement. Has anyone checked to see how the micrsoft share price is faring? Before I can consider downloading this software I would like some hear some slightly more objective reviews. Would anyone be prepared to use wordperfect for a number of days and then post a mini-review for the rest of us debian plebs? I am interested in an exact list of features, bugs, speed, ease of use, how it stacks up against other similar products, etc ... There also must be some issue about the packages that must be pre-installed before attempting to run wordperfect. Maybe a mini-howto-debian-wordperfect would save us having to read iterated help pleas. Have fun ...
Re: switch off Debian
shutdown -h now Then wait until you see a message informing you that the system has shutdown. -Original Message- From: Bob Nielsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Michael Wahl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Wednesday, 16 December 1998 7:22 Subject: Re: switch off Debian >On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Kent West wrote: > >> On Tue, 15 Dec 1998, Michael Wahl wrote: >> >> > Hello out there, >> > >> > After all I finally installed DEBIAN. >> > And, what else, I have a question: >> > When I successfully logout, a knew login appears. Know I switch off the >> > computer. When I switch it on again, there is a check for some stuff. >> > Is this right? Or have I not correctly finished it? >> > >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Michael, Trier, Germany >> > >> >> No, you need to do a >> shutdown -r now >> and then wait until the machine starts to reboot before powering it off. > >Or better yet, use 'shutdown -h' or 'halt' which will just shut down >without starting a reboot. > >Bob > > >Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Tucson, AZ AMPRnet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >DM42nh http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen > > >-- >Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > >
Re: X is giving me a headache.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Sunday, 13 December 1998 7:22 Subject: Re: X is giving me a headache. >I found that page, it's www.x11.org. Thanks for this. I am getting a bit tired of twm.
Re: Anyone know what this is?? (SPAM?)
-Original Message- From: J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Robert V. MacQuarrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Debian-User-Mailing-List ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, 11 December 1998 0:25 Subject: Re: Anyone know what this is?? (SPAM?) >PATRIOTISM A great British writer once said that if he had to choose >between betraying his country and betraying a friend he hoped he would >have the decency to betray his country. Guy Burgess also use to quote this.
Re: rawrite[23] problem on nt 4.0
Yes I use rawrite2 under winnt 4.0. A couple of things you might try are: 1.Try a preformatted floppy. 2.If you are connected to a network logout and try running in standalone mode. Some of laptop computers should really be called winputers. -Original Message- From: Aaron Stromas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, 11 December 1998 0:03 Subject: rawrite[23] problem on nt 4.0 >i need to create boot floppies to install debian 2.0 as i have the >adaptec ultra2 scsi controller, and i'm having a problem with both >rawrite2 and rawrite3 utilities on my nt 4.0 toshiba laptop. both >utilities claim they "Can't figure out how many sectors/track for this >diskette". happens with every high density 1.4m diskette i tried, >maxell, fuji etc. any clues? tia, >
Re: Latex - let me make clear
See comments below: -Original Message- From: Havoc Pennington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Shao Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: debian Date: Tuesday, 8 December 1998 16:46 Subject: Re: Latex - let me make clear > >On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, Shao Zhang wrote: >> >> Name: Shao Zhang >> Address: Debian, org >> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Health: Excellent >> >> and so on >> >> Ok, so how do I write this in Latex? >> > >You're fighting LaTeX by deciding on a layout in advance. This will be >painful. :-) (though you can do this in any of the environments discussed >so far, tabbing or tabular.) If you really want a particular layout, >StarOffice will prove easier; LaTeX is not made for this. > Huh... Latex can do what Shao wants without too much fuss.
Re: Just My 2 Cents
I guess the 'real' truth is that most of the microsoft stuff is actually quite good. With the latest versions of service paks installed things are very slick on windows NT. I have debian and winnt-workstation running on two machines on my desk. Sure at first glance it appears that linux is faster, but look at all the services running on NT and what they do for me. If I install new hardware on my winnt box at least I don't have to compile and link a new kernel. Another interesting comparision is application installation. I wonder how many people really prefer to use dselect to the microsoft way of doing things. Both systems to be very stable and reliable. Perhaps a more interesting question is; how many unix applications would windows users like to run on their machines? Maybe the real benefit of linux is that it encourages people not to have one dimensional thinking and consider alternatives. What a big rant... -Original Message- From: Person, Roderick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' Date: Tuesday, 8 December 1998 10:03 Subject: Just My 2 Cents >It seems to me that most Linux user feel the same way. I always read threads >on the evil M$ or how bad Windblows is etc! So can someone tell me why the >Hell everyone wants M$ apps ported to Linux - Doesn't that defeat the >purpose!!! Well to me it does. >
Re: Latex - let me make clear
Try
\begin{tabbing}
Type\qquad\= Quality\quad\= Color\quad\=Price\\[0.8ex]
Paper \> med \> white \> low\\
Card \> bad \> gray \> med
\end{tabbing}
Check out the latex documentation for more details..
-Original Message-
From: Shao Zhang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian
Date: Tuesday, 8 December 1998 15:14
Subject: Latex - let me make clear
>Hi all,
> Thanks for all the kind answers about tabbing in Latex.
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> Let me make myself clear, I am trying to do something like this(my
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> Name: Shao Zhang
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> Health: Excellent
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> and so on
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> Ok, so how do I write this in Latex?
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> Thanks in advance!
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>Shao.
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Re: xfig and meta key
You could setup the mouse so pressing the left+right buttons simultaneously is equivalent to the the middle button. This works OK for me in xfig. (sigh if only there was an xfig port for windows NT) -Original Message- From: Lance Hoffmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Debian-user Date: Sunday, 6 December 1998 15:07 Subject: xfig and meta key >I have a two button mouse and in xfig I am supposed to be able to >simulate the middle button of a three button mouse by pressing the meta >key and the right mouse button at the same time. This does not seem to >work but in emacs I can use the alt key as as meta so it does not appear >to be that my meta key is not functional at all but rather that it is >simply not functional in xfig. Does anyone know what I can try to >correct this? I need the meta key so I can draw lines in xfig.
Re: Glossary and Nomenclature generation (LaTeX)
>Please could someone inform me as to the 'standard' way of generating
> glossary and nomenclature entries within a latex document
>
\makeglossary in the preamble
\glossary{entry}in the text part
works in a similar manner to index.
Re: Is this really the right thing to do?
> > The developers of dpkg could do something like add a 'package > grouping' > > feature that lets newcomers (especially newbies to X11) understand the > > relationship between packages. > > Do anyone knows what the dpkg developers think about the issue? Is this a documentation issue? Maybe there is a requirement for a document explaining the general layout of the packages. The grouping of packages seems to be ok.
Re: Installing Debian 2.0 (Intel) for first time
See comments below: > I am new to Linux & Debian, Also I am not a programmer. I have > tried to install Debian 2.0 (Intel)from CD. I have Win98 on my 4.3GB > hard drive so I cleared 2.4G and managed to create a 200Mg root > partition dev/hda3, a 96MG ((is this much necessary? )swap partition > dev/hda7 an a 2.1+GB linux partition dev/hda8 and have reached the > "Configure Device Drivers" step; but I am unsure what settings to use. The approach I took was to start simple. Don't try and get everything running in one hit. Just select the serial and parallel ports. It is better to work through hardware issues one-by-one. You don't want to be restarting the install again and again. Did you start the install from CD-ROM? > Can you please let me know what I must do to get them to run in > Linux?. Also at one attempted to install I left "Configure Device > Drivers" blank, then when I reached the "list of access methods" in > Dselect, when I chose cdrom it requested the "Block" I do not know > what this is. I read the "Dselect documentation for beginners" but it > has no mention of this. It does talk about mounting your CD could you > explain what mounting is and how I can mount the CD drives mentioned > above. The exact block device depends upon your computer setup. There is no harm in trying a few different devices. What sort of disk controllers do you have installed? Is your CD-ROM SCSI or ATAPI. If it ATAPI, then there is a good chance that /dev/hdb is the block device to use. If I recall correctly you are presented with a menu showing a choice of which device to select for the CD-ROM. I found the correct device by trial and error as I misunderstand how my pc was setup. >Finally can you recommend the best learning materials for learning > how to use and get the most out of Linux ( remembering I am a beginner ) The install notes are very important. It pays to read through them very carefully before starting any install.
Which package for pkzipped files?
Hello, I have an archive file created on a windows machine with pkzip. Which debian package is most suitable for extracting files from this archive? There is no password protection on the file. Regards ...
Re: Kernel 2.0.34 problems
> We'll find out shortly. I'm FTPing the sources from sunsite. Never did > like the Debian way of doing the Kernel. > GULP This seems a bit drastic, "make zlilo" works for me with 2.0.34. It almost seems like you have not installed all the right development bits. Have you got a copy of these missing header files anywhere on your machine?
Re: Netscape - Newbie Linux User
> Alright here is my problem. I have Debian 2.0 installed. I downloaded > [navigator-v45-export.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar] from ftp6.netscape.com. I > installed it and everything. Now when ever I go to the installed dir > [/usr/local/netscape] and i type ./netscape it gets an error message > [unable to load library libXpm.so.4]. I then did a search with dselect to > find the package [xpm4.7] which contains the [libXpm.so.4] lib. Then i did > dpkg -i xpm4.7 and it wouldn't install it. I don't wanna go through with > dselect because that takes forever! And apt doesn't work with my cd-rom :( > Any suggestions? What are you using on your machine libc5 or libc6? It is generally not a good idea to mix these. The version of navigator you downloaded was for libc5. If you want to stick with libc6 you should download navigator-v45-export.x86-unknown-linux2.0glibc.tar.gz The libc6 version of the xpm libraries installs correctly from the hamm cdrom using dselect. What sort of errors messages did you get? These may give a clue as to what went wrong. Out of interest, how long does dselect take to complete a simple install on your machine? Regards ...
Re: Dialout within X
I think you need to be a little more specific. See further comments below: > So I see that I am not the only person to get those libXpm.so.4 problems > with Netscape. And yes, I did install both libc5 and "libc6." > What version did you install? How did you install it (ie. As a debian package, what components, etc ..)? > I have just installed hamm distribution (kernel 2.0.34) onto my system, > and X won't let me dial out. Even worse, to dial in, I have to reboot > the system! There are no error messages, just that the modem won't > respond (tested it myself). > Errr yes, but this is such a general statement. Your problems will relate to your setup and how you are trying to initiate a connection. Are you seeing any nasty messages when dialling out? Have you check the ppp log? When you say X won't let you dial out, does this mean you can dial out when X is not running? Has your modem ever worked with your current installation? Does ppp work when x windows is not running? Why do you have to reboot the system, does everything lockup? I am sure if you can supply more detail some of the people who read this list can help out. It may be a good idea to tackle you problems one by one. Like, why not concentrate on getting the ppp sorted first before worrying about netscape. Regards ...
Re: netscape woes
> Not so! Mozilla may not be the wonderful GPL'd program I would like it > to be, but it's still free. > > Unless you consider that Mozilla isn't quite from Netscape... > So what happens when AOL decides not to support Mozilla any further?
Re: xplaycd probs
What problems? If you have detected any 'real' problems its worth submitting a bug report. But it may be worth discussing problems on this list first. How else can we expect software to improve unless the developers get good quality feedback. I recently installed mtools-lite and xplaycd works well for me. (I am in the process of setting up smail/fetchmail/exmh, so this mail may look a bit strange). > Since it seems that xplaycd is so bug-ridden (at least it has anumber of > problems on my system) I was hoping someone might recommend a good > cd-player, preferably one that doesn't use YABL (yet another bloody > library ;) ie lesstif or gtk1.1, and that has as nice and clean a frontend > as xplaycd... > > Also, should I file bug-reports against xplaycd (or rather mctools-lite)? > > Cheers > Dave > > -- > Dave Swegen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > .plan: To find a job working with Linux (fat chance...) > > > -- > Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null > >
Re: netscape woes
What's the fuss about? Just download it yourself and install it. Apart from configuration data, all of netscape resides in /usr/local/netscape, so you can upgrade to newer versions easily. The browser works well, maybe even better than IE5. V4.5 may be the last free browser from netscape, so enjoy it while you can! > Ed Cogburn wrote: > > > Question #2: Alas, Netscape Communicator is a *bloated pig* of a > > program. >
Re: What I really like is the way FreeBSD has laid out there port making system.
You would have to examine every source patch to determine if it was really required and if debian patches are required. I use the freebsd ports quite a bit on a bsd machine and I don't really care for a debian version of the same beast. > > I liked it so much, I downloaded the FreeBSD port making tree into linux and > tried a "make install." > >
Re: 2.0 install troubles
I just installed Debian on a similar hardware setup. Some things you might like to check: Did you download the files over the internet? Are they corrupted? Check sizes with the originals. Have you gone through bios disabling shadow memory? What other hardware is installed in the machine? I assume you have the triniton chipset? > > System Info: > Pentium MMX 200 MHz > intel 82430TX chipset > 128 MB RAM > 5 GB Western Digital (1 GB partition for Debian) >
Re: Installation help required
I think trying to install packages from floppies is pretty desperate. You can pickup the full Debian distribution in Melbourne for less than $20. The bit bar in Fitzroy generally keeps a set in stock. Contact Tyson Dowd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) for more details. Regards
