[SOLVED] Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:24:00 -0500 (EST), Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 14:53 -0500, Stephen Powell wrote: But I'm using XFCE now, and xterm seems to be the default terminal emulator application under XFCE. No, it's xfce4-terminal. Using xfce4-terminal shouldn't cause copy and paste issues. Installing xfce4-terminal worked for me. Actually, based on someone else's post, I installed task-xfce-desktop, which brought in a whole slew of stuff, including xfce4-terminal, then purged xterm, the lightdm* stuff, and task-xfce-desktop itself, which has a dependency on lightdm. (I'm using xdm and don't want to use lightdm or even have it installed.) xfce4-terminal is now my default terminal emulator in the XFCE desktop environment. Shift+Ctrl+C copies and Shift+Ctrl+V pastes in xfce4-terminal. In most other applications, such as iceweasel, Ctrl+C copies and Ctrl+V pastes. That makes sense to require the Shift in the terminal emulator, since Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V need to retain their historic functions for terminals. (Of course, you can also copy and paste via the mouse and the action bar Edit menu.) I tried all sorts of stuff regarding .Xresources, as suggested by other posts, but nothing worked for me in that area. (That was while I was still using xterm, of course.) I couldn't find any documented options in xorg.conf for emulating a 3-button mouse with a 2-button mouse either. I remember that option from older versions of the X server. These days, input devices, such as keyboards and mice, are expected to be auto-detected. Thanks to all who participated in this thread. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1362939266.98192.1387671504461.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: [SOLVED] Copy and Paste between xterm and other windows in a Debian XFCE environment
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 19:32:23 -0500 (EST), Frank McCormick wrote: This works for me in xterm in .Xresources : XTerm*VT100.translations: #override Btn1Up: select-end(PRIMARY, CLIPBOARD, CUT_BUFFER0) Sorry it wrapped That's one I didn't try. But now that I have a solution by means of xfce4-terminal, I'm not going to re-install xterm and give it a try. Maybe it will help someone else, though. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1079228897.98901.1387676153528.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:18:14 -0500 (EST), Tom H wrote: On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: I'd like it to have a usable CSM, so I can continue to run my favorite boot loader, LILO. And I plan to partition the disk using the traditional MS-DOS disk partitioning system, so I don't want the hard disk to be larger than 2T. If it's lilo,conf that you like, can't you use EFI and ELILO? I can, yes. But as Bartleby the Scrivener would say, I'd prefer not to. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1126079399.49537.1387394652114.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
[SOLVED] Wasted space in hard disk partitioning (was Soliciting hardware recommendations)
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 23:12:35 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote: ... my existing disk partitions, created by the Debian installer, look like this: # parted /dev/i2o/hda unit s print free Model: I2O Controller (i2o) Disk /dev/i2o/hda: 286748672s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition table: msdos Number Start End SizeType File system Flags 63s 2047s 1985s Free Space 1 2048s 194559s 192512s primary ext3boot 194560s 196605s 2046s Free Space 2 196606s 162306302s 162109697s extended 5 196608s 17772543s 17575936s logical linux-swap(v1) 6 17774592s 56834047s 39059456s logical ext3 7 56836096s 64647167s 7811072slogical ext3 8 64647231s 162306302s 97659072s logical ext3 162306303s 286748671s 124442369sFree Space # As you can see, something, somewhere, has done a number on me. The only boundary requirement is that the starting sector be a multiple of 8 to make 4096-byte boundaries. So why start the first partition at sector number 2048? The only intentional free space is the free space at the end of the disk. The other free space entries were added by the partitioning program. And for what purpose? This is not a GPT disk, so no BIOS boot partition needs to be created for GRUB. (I'm not even using GRUB, I'm using LILO. But the Debian installer would not have known what boot loader I planned to use during the disk partitioning phase. It would, however, have known that this is an MBR disk, not a GPT disk.) Furthermore, this is not a UEFI-based system, so no EFI System partition (ESP) needs to be created either. So why did the Debian installer leave these two free spaces before and after my first partition? (Apparently, sectors 0-62 are considered part of meta data and are therefore not included in the leading free space.) Also, as you can see, the start of the next partition is not just one sector number higher than the end of the previous partition. In the case of adjacent logical partitions inside the extended partition, I realize that it must leave room for an Extended Boot Record before each logical partition, but it leaves way more room than that would require. Can you (or anyone) explain why this wasted space has been built in? OK, with some data analysis and some trial-and-error experimentation, I think I have figured this out. For the benefit of others on the list who might be wondering the same thing as me, here's the answer. First of all, all the primary and logical partitions listed above were created by the Debian installer during installation, presumably by using parted, except for the last partition, partition number 8, which was created manually by me using fdisk. The partitions created during installation all have a size which is an integral multiple of 1 MiB (2**20) bytes, which is 2048 512-byte sectors, and they are all allocated on a 1 MiB boundary (a sector number which is an integer multiple of 2048). The sectors are numbered beginning with 0 for this purpose. Apparently, this is deliberate on the part of either the Debian installer or parted. I assume the former. This would make sense in the general case, so that the partitions would work well for any SSD's erase block size, as long as it isn't more stringent than 1M. The first partition, partition number 1, cannot be allocated starting with sector number 0, since that is the Master Boot Record (MBR). So it is allocated starting with the next higher multiple of 2048, which is of course 2048. Partition number 2 is the extended partition. I'll come back to that. The next partition, partition number 5, is a logical partition. If it were a primary partition, it could be allocated starting with the next sector after the last sector of partition number 1, since that is a 2048-sector boundary. But it isn't. It's a logical partition. An Extended Boot Record (EBR) is required after the end of partition number 1 and before the start of partition number 5. So the start of partition number 5 is bumped up to the next higher multiple of 2048. Of the 2048 sectors between the end of partition number 1 and the beginning of partition number 5, 2047 of them are unused sectors and 1 is an EBR. Partition number 2, the extended partition, starts with this first EBR. There is 1 unused sector after the EBR and 2046 unused sectors in front of it. Similarly, 2048 sectors have to be thrown in between the end of partition number 5 and the beginning of partition number 6. One of them is an EBR describing the following logical partition and 2047 of them are unused sectors. The same goes for the space between the end of partition number 6 and the beginning of partition number 7. The space between the end of partition number 7 and the beginning of partition
Wasted space in hard disk partitioning (was Soliciting Hardware Recommendations)
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:13:16 -0600, Stan Hoeppner wrote: Cool. Make sure you partition the SSD so that your first, and all, partitions start on a 4KB boundary. Many guides are available for your favorite partitioning tool. Linux does all IO in 4KB pages including filesystem and swap. If you don't align to 4KB you may get excessive erase cycles on the SSD, lowering performance, and cell life. Most folks seem to start the first SSD partition at sector 2048, which falls immediately after the first 1MB of the device. 1,048,576/4,096=256. So your first partition will start at 4KB page 257, if you will. If you create multiple partitions, make sure the size of each is evenly divisible by 4096 bytes, or they won't be aligned. That's good to know. But I really don't have much control over this when I partition using the Debian installer. When installing from scratch on a system where I don't intend to keep anything from its previous life, I delete all existing partitions using the Debian installer, then create new partitions using the Debian installer. When I create a new partition with the Debian installer, I generally specify the size (typically in megabytes), the partition type (primary or logical), and, if the size is less than the amount of free space, whether I want it at the beginning of the free space or the end of the free space. Rounding of sizes, boundary alignment, etc. is all controlled by the Debian installer or the partitioning tools it uses (parted, generally). And I have no control over that. As an example, my existing disk partitions, created by the Debian installer, look like this: # parted /dev/i2o/hda unit s print free Model: I2O Controller (i2o) Disk /dev/i2o/hda: 286748672s Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B Partition table: msdos Number Start End SizeType File system Flags 63s 2047s 1985s Free Space 1 2048s 194559s 192512s primary ext3boot 194560s 196605s 2046s Free Space 2 196606s 162306302s 162109697s extended 5 196608s 17772543s 17575936s logical linux-swap(v1) 6 17774592s 56834047s 39059456s logical ext3 7 56836096s 64647167s 7811072slogical ext3 8 64647231s 162306302s 97659072s logical ext3 162306303s 286748671s 124442369sFree Space # As you can see, something, somewhere, has done a number on me. The only boundary requirement is that the starting sector be a multiple of 8 to make 4096-byte boundaries. So why start the first partition at sector number 2048? The only intentional free space is the free space at the end of the disk. The other free space entries were added by the partitioning program. And for what purpose? This is not a GPT disk, so no BIOS boot partition needs to be created for GRUB. (I'm not even using GRUB, I'm using LILO. But the Debian installer would not have known what boot loader I planned to use during the disk partitioning phase. It would, however, have known that this is an MBR disk, not a GPT disk.) Furthermore, this is not a UEFI-based system, so no EFI System partition (ESP) needs to be created either. So why did the Debian installer leave these two free spaces before and after my first partition? (Apparently, sectors 0-62 are considered part of meta data and are therefore not included in the leading free space.) Also, as you can see, the start of the next partition is not just one sector number higher than the end of the previous partition. In the case of adjacent logical partitions inside the extended partition, I realize that it must leave room for an Extended Boot Record before each logical partition, but it leaves way more room than that would require. Can you (or anyone) explain why this wasted space has been built in? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1588134292.17319.1387253555768.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 09:30:43 -0500 (EST), Stan Hoeppner wrote: Have you been eagerly anticipating my reply to your hardware thread? I hope I don't disappoint. :) I was hoping you would participate, yes. But I didn't want to presume. Here is a complete list of quality DIY parts that will meet your stated needs, including a non-UEFI motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P(rev 5.0) AM3+ AMD 760G/SB710, AMD 3000 GPU, DVI AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz quad core CPU, 2x 2MB L2 cache, 4MB L3 cache 2x 4GB DDR3-1333 Crucial DDR-SDRAM modules Samsung 840 EVO 120GB SSD - #1 SSD in quality, performance, and $/GB ASUS DVD - it's DVD to boot a net install image, if needed, decent unit Apevia mATX cube case, 500W PSU, excellent airflow, I own one, good case Hewlett Packard 23 Widescreen HD monitor, 1920x1080, DVI $ 52 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128504 $110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113287 $ 60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148347 $ 90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147247 $ 19 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135304 $ 87 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811144140 $120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176250 $538 Total Wow, you even managed to get a monitor thrown in and still make the ~$500 target. I was expecting to pay around $500 for the system only, with the monitor costing extra. I see just one problem. I don't see any indication of R/W capability in the CD/DVD drive. It appears to be read-only. I want to be able to burn install images downloaded from the internet. However, I did find this item http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 for just a buck more. Do you see any problem substituting this for the one you suggested? FYI, I searched for more than an hour trying to find an AMD dual core CPU plus mobo combo that would be suitable. I ran into two problems here. First, all of the current dual core AMD CPUs lack L3 cache and have somewhat tiny 1MB L2 caches. As with virtual machines, emulation workloads tend to perform better with larger caches due to context switches, TLB shootdowns, etc. So this model FX-4300 with 1MB L2 per core and 4MB shared L3 should perform better for you, even if you can't make use of all 4 cores immediately. Everyone else buying 4/6/8 core desktop CPUs is in the same boat, whether they know it or not, so don't sweat it. The industry has decided to take the multi-core path which users simply cannot yet follow, because most developers aren't yet threading their applications. Second, all of the socket FM2 motherboards which take the dual core chips are built/certified for Windows 8, and have UEFI BIOS. Again this mobo is non-UEFI, so I think this combo will be a better solution for you all around Stephen. Makes sense. And thanks for all the time that you have put into this. Motherboard manual to read before you buy (I always do): http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-78lmt-s2p_v.5.0_e.pdf I hope this is the type of complete, concise information, recommendation, you were looking for Stephen. It is. You did not disappoint. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1548252121.889739.1387126597072.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 15:07:33 -0500 (EST), Stan Hoeppner wrote: I was figuring you'd probably do the install from a USB stick and I threw the DVD drive in as an afterthought. So yes, the ASUS burner above would be perfect. Over 4,000 sold and a 5 egg rating. Can't get any better than that. Good. I just ordered everything exactly as you recommended, except for the CD/DVD drive, for which I substituted the R/W model. To install Debian, I usually use the netboot installation image burned to a CD-R. If you decide to go this route and you run into any trouble getting it going, don't hesitate to email me off list. I may not respond quickly but I'll respond. That's a very generous offer. Thank you very much. I hope I won't need to take you up on that, but it's nice to know that I can if I need to. You said it's been a while since you built a system, so add a static strap to your order and use it, if you don't already have one. Winter is static charge season, and the last thing you want is to have your board not work after accidentally sending static discharge into it. Often folks don't even realize it happened and curse their DOA board as being junk, etc. You know, I almost added an anti-static wrist strap to the order, but in the end decided not to. My basement is so humid, even in winter, that I doubted it would be a problem. However, my dehumidifier, which normally runs 9 or 10 months out of the year, is currently showing the relative humidity at 30% (and it's off, set for 50%), so maybe I'll get one anyway. On that note, prepare for potential disappointment with the cutesie little temperature LCD on the Apevia case. Mine was DOA. Sorry to hear that. But if that happens to me, I'll probably do what you did. Nothing. I'm not used to cases with temperature readouts on them, and that is not a requirement. Thanks again, Santa. This will be my first truly new system since 1994. I've been using other people's throw-aways and used systems since then. But nobody I know is throwing away 64-bit systems. Not yet anyway. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/704937397.894827.1387151074321.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 23:21:22 -0500 (EST), Patrick Bartek wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Stephen Powell wrote: I have decided to buy a 64-bit system for myself for Christmas. But [snip] (1) As a host system for Hercules. Hercules is an open source [snip] (2) This system will also double as a desktop system. I'm not a [snip] Does anyone wish to contribute any opinions? Anything from general advice to specific hardware recommendations is welcome. And feel free to ask follow-up questions. What's your budget? ... Good question. I'm not sure what things cost these days; but for planning purposes, lets try a ballpark figure of somewhere around $500 US. If I find that I cannot get what I want for that price, I may be willing to spend more. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1400295224.874651.1387024490369.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Soliciting hardware recommendations
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 02:39:04 -0500 (EST), David Christensen wrote: I did something similar ~1.5 years ago. I wanted virtualization, whole-drive encryption, on-board video, on-board sound, on-board Gigabit, and reduced energy consumption/ noise. You have requirements that I don't have. I don't care about virtualization, per se, other than the emulation of a mainframe in software by Hercules. I don't need drive encryption, and I don't care about energy consumption or noise. I mean, it's not that I want it to be a noisy power hog, but those are not critical features. I'd rather have a noisy $500 system than a quiet $1500 system. (On the other hand, I don't want the fan in the power supply to fail in 6 months either.) Also, 10/100 Ethernet is plenty fast enough for me. Only the higher price stuff had all the features I needed. So, my choice boiled down to building around a high-end desktop board (~US$1,000) or building around a uniprocessor workstation/ server board (~US$1,500). Wow. I hope my requirements can be met for less. I'd like it to have a usable CSM, so I can continue to run my favorite boot loader, LILO. CSM = IBM Cluster Systems Management? No, CSM = Compatibility Support Module, a feature of UEFI-compliant motherboards that provides a PC-compatible BIOS for booting legacy BIOS operating systems, such as the LILO boot loader. This is incompatible with Connected Standby Mode, whose initials are also, unfortunately, CSM. Connected Standby Mode is apparently a requirement for Windows 8 certification. Connected Standby Mode must be disabled in order for a Compatibility Support Module to be enabled. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI for more information. I use the default boot loader (GRUB) provided by the Debian installer. I don't know if LILO is available OOTB; you might have to work for it. The last I knew the Debian installer, running in expert mode, still offers LILO as a boot loader choice. But if it doesn't, installing it manually after the fact is no problem for me. I have authored a web page on how to do just that. See http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm for more information. And I plan to partition the disk using the traditional MS-DOS disk partitioning system,so I don't want the hard disk to be larger than 2T. I assume you mean an MS-DOS partition table, as opposed to a GUID partition table (GPT). (I believe the Debian installer supports GPT on the system disk, but I haven't tried it.) Yes. You want an SSD system drive for performance and disaster recovery (imaging) reasons, and other drive(s) for data. (My SSD has an MS-DOS partition table and my HDD has a GUID partition table.) The disaster recovery plan, in case of a hard disk failure, is to go buy a new hard disk. The data is gone. There are no backups. Too bad. Reinstall from scratch. I want good performance, but disaster recovery features are not something that I am willing to pay extra for. In some cases I may FTP critical files to another machine on my home network, but that's the extent of backups. I have an EE/CS background, and prefer to build my computers from scratch. That way, I get exactly what I want and nothing I don't need. If you don't have the skills, there are vendors who will assemble and test hardware and/or software that you purchase from them for a nominal fee. I have a four-year college degree in Electrical Engineering. I graduated a long time ago, and my degree is probably not marketable for anything other than engineering management at this point, but at least I have the background. My day job is as a systems programmer for IBM mainframes. Among other duties I install and maintain (apply PTFs to) the operating system and other system software. And I have upgraded PC systems myself before, including motherboard replacements. So no, I am not intimidated by the prospect of building a system myself, if that proves to be the cheapest or best way to go. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1439022488.875066.1387027381278.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: override kernel version with make-kpkg
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:36:02 -0500 (EST), Michael Gulick wrote: I think my only option if I want automatic upgrades is to keep the abiname constant. I'm assuming (and I'm not sure whether this assumption is correct) that all the third party modules (primarily nvidia drivers and vmware) will be build by dkms on reboot. I've been upgrading the kernel manually for a while and haven't had any problems, so I think this is a safe assumption. I'm not sure if this is the right thing to do however, keeping the abiname the same for new stable releases. Any thoughts? To be honest, I really don't know. What you are trying to do is not something that any method of building a custom kernel tries to address. A custom kernel is, by definition, custom. It is not designed for or intended for automatic updates. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1304596116.870129.1386982611903.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Soliciting hardware recommendations
I have decided to buy a 64-bit system for myself for Christmas. But before I go out there and buy something, I thought I would solicit some advice. I want a 64-bit system (amd64) on which I plan to install Debian. I will use it primarily for two things: (1) As a host system for Hercules. Hercules is an open source program (packaged for Debian in package hercules) that can emulate a 64-bit IBM mainframe. And of course, I plan on installing and running a 64-bit version of Debian (s390x) under Hercules. The Hercules emulator adds a lot of overhead. The speed of Hercules is nowhere near the speed of a real mainframe, so I want to get the fastest and most powerful host system I can afford. But I don't want a system with lots of cores on it. The kind of software I will run probably can't exploit more than two cores effectively, so I'd rather have a two-core system with a fast clocking rate than an eight-core system with a slow clocking rate. (2) This system will also double as a desktop system. I'm not a high-end graphics user. I use the graphical desktop mostly for web browsing (including the use of a web-based e-mail client) and watching Youtube videos. I'm not a gamer. I'd like it to have a usable CSM, so I can continue to run my favorite boot loader, LILO. And I plan to partition the disk using the traditional MS-DOS disk partitioning system, so I don't want the hard disk to be larger than 2T. RAID is not necessary. I don't run a business. Although data loss is undesirable, it will not be catastrophic. I'd like a new monitor too. All my monitors are old CRTs, and I've run out of spares as old monitors die. I think I'm ready for a digital flat screen. I have plenty of USB mice and keyboards. I don't plan on running Windows at all, so if it comes pre-installed with Windows, the first thing I'm going to do is to delete the Windows partition. If I can get a system without a Windows license, that will save me some money. Due to preload agreements between Microsoft and hardware vendors, this may not be possible unless I buy separate components and integrate them myself. And that is fine. I don't mind doing that. I live in the US and will probably order my system, or its components, online. I might buy the monitor locally, though. Does anyone wish to contribute any opinions? Anything from general advice to specific hardware recommendations is welcome. And feel free to ask follow-up questions. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/245855233.870480.1386984675250.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Debian Wheezy Compromised - www-data user is sending 1000 emails an hour
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:12:57AM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote: On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 08:57:57PM -0600, Lukasz Szybalski wrote: I run my own site, and I do have postfix, apache, wordpress, and moinmoin installed. www-data is sending 100s of emails a minute. I hope you have by hook or crook pulled the plug on this system by now. I believe you have had a close encounter of the maddening kind with sql injection. I wish I had a quick url to which to send you, but google 'sql injection php' after you shut down postfix. May one ask what hosting provider are you using? He self hosts. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131212154602.GA2907@jessie.gatewire
Re: override kernel version with make-kpkg
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:39:29 -0500 (EST), Michael Gulick wrote: Hi, I'm looking for a way to override the default kernel package versions generated by make-kpkg. With 3.0+ kernels, the kernel sublevel (as in VERSION.PATCHLEVEL.SUBLEVEL), which is incremented when there are stable updates for a kernel release, is used to generate the package name. This produces packages with names like 'linux-image-3.10.22-mycustomversion_amd64.deb'. Actually, the pattern is more like linux-image-3.10.22-mycustomversion_3.10.22-1_amd64.deb Unfortunately this means you can't upgrade these packages automatically with apt-get because apt-get thinks this is a new version of the package (instead of just an updated revision of the existing package version). You don't use apt-get (or aptitude) to install such a package, you use dpkg. For example, dpkg -i linux-image-3.10.22-mycustomversion_3.10.22-1_amd64.deb dpkg treats this as a new package, not an upgrade to an existing package, that's true. And for custom kernels, that's probably what you want. I would like to be able to make packages called 'linux-image-3.10-myversion_amd64.deb', or 'linux-image-3.10.0-myversion_amd64.deb', so that these packages can be automatically upgraded via apt-get and a self-hosted repository. Ah, a self-hosted repository. OK, in that case, apt-get or aptitude is what you would use. Unfortunately, I know of no way to do what you want to do. Keep this in mind. Up until etch, the Debian kernel team used make-kpkg to produce its stock Debian kernels. But beginning with lenny, the Debian kernel team stopped using make-kpkg to produce its stock kernel packages and went their own way. But all three levels of the kernel version name (VERSION, PATCHLEVEL, and SUBLEVEL) were still used, at first, in the stock kernel version name, just as make-kpkg does it. But recently, the kernel team has started forcing the sublevel to zero in the linux image package name, such as in the stable kernels, or eliminating it altogether, such as in the testing kernels. The actual SUBLEVEL persists in the package version, but not in the kernel version included in the package name. That is a naming convention change for linux kernel images that has been recently adopted by the Debian kernel team. make-kpkg still does things the old way. It includes the SUBLEVEL in the package name. There is an --append-to-version option which can be used to append your own qualifiers, but no option that I know of to eliminate the SUBLEVEL from the name. If you want to do this, you won't be able to use make-kpkg. You will need to do something like make a modified version of the Debian source package, linux, and build it with dpkg-buildpackage. But you want to use upstream sources. Hmm. No easy way to get from point A to point B. I haven't tried make deb-pkg in a while, but I suspect that it includes the SUBLEVEL in the package name as well. Give it a try and let me know what it does on current kernels, will you? I have a web page on the subject at http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm You might want to give it a read. Let me know if there's anything there that's out of date. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1126472401.790971.1386648812411.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
RE: How do I get rid of the launchpad in XFCE?
-Original Message- From: Ralf Mardorf [mailto:ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net] Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 12:28 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How do I get rid of the launchpad in XFCE? On Sun, 2013-12-08 at 04:33 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Fri, Dec 06, 2013 at 09:03:33PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fr, 2013-12-06 at 15:20 -0200, André Nunes Batista wrote: Panel 0 and Panel 1 were such an cool way to teach gui users to count. The saner style is to call the first panel panel one instead of panel zero. To name it panel zero even won't teach anything about logical issues about indexation. ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indexation So I used the wrong term in English ;). I was thinking of the fencepost error, off-by-one error. What we use to write a program, is not what we should provide as output for the GUI. To use math we need to be careful to keep it logically. Similar as chemical science versus physics regarding to the Bohr Diagram, working to know how a chemical bond does work regarding to valence electrons, but for physics we (hopefully) learned other theories than the Bohr Diagram for good reasons. I even failed in orthography in my native language, IOW German lessons, but not that much in general science. They tested me and called it dyslexia. Perhaps we could stop talking about panel number zero vs panel number one. Xfce does work, it doesn't matter if the panel is called 0 or 1, it just could become confusing for more complicated issues, if coders use programming language style for the output of a GUI. :p -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1386437292.2811.71.camel@archlinux The Bohr model of the atom is just as dead as Niels Bohr. Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Life is a fuzzy set Foundation for Chemistry Stochastic and multivariate www.FoundationForChemistry.com (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/041b01cef37d$33ac6240$9b0526c0$@mol...@sbcglobal.net
Goodbye GNOME, Hello XFCE
Well, the latest update to Debian jessie did it. GNOME 3 apparently no longer has a fallback mode for X drivers which don't support 3D acceleration. Mine doesn't. And the native GNOME 3 interface is apparently unusable with such an X driver. Goodbye, GNOME. Hello, XFCE. I hope Debian will make XFCE the default desktop for the production jessie installer. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1810880842.723406.1386280005627.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
How do I get rid of the launchpad in XFCE?
I'm sure that this must be one of the most common questions for new XFCE users, but I can't seem to find an answer. If only I knew what the proper terminology for this thing is, I'm sure I could find the answer with an internet search. But I don't know what it's called. In the subject line of this post, I've called it a launchpad. I call it that because it reminds me of the old OS/2 Warp Version 3 launchpad application. (That dates me, doesn't it?) Anyway, in the default XFCE desktop, it is positioned at the bottom center of the screen, has six icons in it (minimize all open windows and show the desktop, terminal emulator, file manager, web browser, application finder, and home folder), and the thing is in the way. It keeps maximized windows from filling the entire desktop. It seems that everything in this launchpad thingy duplicates function available in the panel along the top of the screen (I think that is the proper terminology for it), so I really don't see why I need it. I want to make it go away permanently, so that maximized windows will use the whole screen. How do I do this? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1971104459.723658.1386280802426.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Goodbye GNOME, Hello XFCE
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 17:01:37 -0500 (EST), Ralf Mardorf wrote: All GTK dependent DEs have their drawbacks. Xfce still is and will be my DE for a while, but I'm already testing Razor-Qt. It's not that good at the moment, but since LXDE is similar ok as Xfce is, it might be interesting to wait for LXDE-Qt. IIUC the Razor-Qt and LXDE folks work together on LXDE-Qt. Perhaps LXDE-Qt would be a better choice as a default DE for Debian and some other distros. I haven't tried the other DEs that you mentioned. From my research it seemed that XFCE was pretty close to the look and feel of the old GNOME 2 interface, which is what I am used to, and what fallback mode users of GNOME 3 are used to. As such, it seemed like a pretty good default DE for new installs to me. But I do feel strongly about one thing: the default DE should not be one which *requires* 3D acceleration support! The default DE should be one which is usable by as wide a variety of video hardware as possible. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/851228982.723785.1386281584989.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: How do I get rid of the launchpad in XFCE?
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 17:05:22 -0500 (EST), Patrick Wiseman wrote: Right-click on it, select 'Panel' and then the minus-sign at the top will remove it. What I prefer is to have it minimized when it doesn't have focus; then maximized windows do maximize. That you can do by checking the 'Automatically show and hide the panel' box. Hmm. Well, when I right-click on it, I get a pop-up menu with a title of launcher. So maybe this thing is called the launcher. But there does not appear to be any way of controlling the settings for something called launcher. When I click on the minus sign, I get a warning dialog box that says that if I remove it, it will be permanently lost. I don't like the idea of making irrevocable changes. I want to be able to change things back the way they were if my change produces unexpected results. As for Automatically show and hide the panel, I can't find where to set this. Besides, it seems to me that that will get rid of the thing across the top of the screen, not the thing along the bottom of the screen. I want the thing across the top of the screen to stay there. I want the thing along the bottom of the screen to go away. But I want to be able to reinstate it later if the change produces unexpected results. Could you please give me more specific, step-by-step instructions for how to accomplish this? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2075874320.724348.1386283645144.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: How do I get rid of the launchpad in XFCE?
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 17:47:25 -0500 (EST), Stephen Powell wrote: As for Automatically show and hide the panel, I can't find where to set this. Besides, it seems to me that that will get rid of the thing across the top of the screen, not the thing along the bottom of the screen. I want the thing across the top of the screen to stay there. I want the thing along the bottom of the screen to go away. But I want to be able to reinstate it later if the change produces unexpected results. Could you please give me more specific, step-by-step instructions for how to accomplish this? Never mind, I just stumbled across it. There are two panels. Panel 1 and Panel 2. The launcher is Panel 2. You have to have Panel 2 selected in the settings application. Then you can hide the launcher. Sorry for the noise, and thanks to all who responded. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1878496913.724491.1386284435721.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Goodbye GNOME, Hello XFCE
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 17:07:44 -0500 (EST), Tom H wrote: On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Stephen Powell wrote: ... I hope Debian will make XFCE the default desktop for the production jessie installer. It is for the time being. http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commit;h=dfca406eb694e0ac00ea04b12fc912237e01c9b5 That's good. I'm not a GNOME hater. GNOME has been the default for a long time, and something long established should not be changed without a good reason. But the withdrawal of fallback mode is, IMHO, sufficient justification. It looks like they made this change shortly *before* GNOME dropped support for fallback mode. But it was close enough that they may have known that it was coming. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2083498805.727818.1386297621074.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
RE: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
-Original Message- From: John Hasler [mailto:jhas...@newsguy.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:17 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related Please read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87haaponw6@thumper.dhh.gt.org Please stop wasting band width. Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Life is a fuzzy set Foundation for Chemistry Stochastic and multivariate www.FoundationForChemistry.com (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/03a801cef04d$2eb86eb0$8c294c10$@mol...@sbcglobal.net
RE: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
-Original Message- From: Ralf Mardorf [mailto:ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 11:34 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 17:06 +0100, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: AP writes: On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: KMail seems not to be better, but more worse than Evolution. Ok but Evolution works well in KDE too? Use Emacs, Luke! I used Emasc with Wanderlust and I only want to point out, that Emacs isn't a MUA, Emacs is an operating system running on Linux, that has no good editor. The Emacs operating system, without a good editor, can be used with different mail clients. Using Emacs means to learn the Emacs LISP dialect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/WanderLust If possible I will stay with what ever GUI based MUA and avoid to use those MUAs without a GUI. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1385742843.805.125.camel@archlinux Emacs is an operating sustem??? see: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EmacsAsOperatingSystem Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.Life is a fuzzy set Foundation for Chemistry Stochastic and multivariate www.FoundationForChemistry.com (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/006401ceed2c$4b6e3220$e24a9660$@mol...@sbcglobal.net
RE: Installing Debian inside Windows 7 utilizing VirtualBox
From: Wally Lepore [mailto:wallylep...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:52 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Installing Debian inside Windows 7 utilizing VirtualBox Hi Members, I would like to run Debian and test new software packages utilizing Debian as a virtual environment. inside my Windows 7 OS. I would like to be able to install Debian in this fashion and have the ability to utilize a Debian GUI desktop as well. Question #1 please: Would kindly like to know if Oracle's VM VirtualBox is the recommended virtualization software package to install to accomplish this procedure. Question #2 please: Which Stable version of Debian (Squeeze or Wheezy) is recommended that would best serve this purpose? I have been reading about VirtualBox and studying the steps involved to install Debian in this manner. I'm sure I will have additional questions but would simply like to start with my initial questions above. A couple of how-to links I've discovered: Installing with a GUI desktop: https://jtreminio.com/2012/07/setting-up-a-debian-vm-step-by-step/ Installing without a GUI desktop http://williamjturkel.net/2013/05/31/installing-debian-linux-in-a-vm/ Thank you I am running Wheezy and Jessie/sid, in different MS Windows 7 directories of course, in the current version of VMware Player without any problems whatsoever. I have also evaluated the Oracle VM, but prefer the VMware player as I have not run into any problems with installing Debian. Download the iso and follow the installer prompts. Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.Life is a fuzzy set Foundation for Chemistry Stochastic and multivariate www.FoundationForChemistry.com (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1
Re: software for (reminder) recommendation
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:07:04PM +0800, lina wrote: I checked most, seems none has pop up action before the events. I always miss some seminars I registered. Since you're using Gmail why not install Evolution it can interface with Google's calendar. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131113195711.GA21474@jessie.gatewire
Re: Why Debian
On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 21:10:45 -0500 (EST), greenfreedo...@gmail.com wrote: ... Both result in software written and/or maintained *by the user* which will naturally be more useful *to the user*. ... That is true. But all users are not created equal. Software written by user A will, presumably, have the features that user A wants, but not necessarily all the features that user B wants. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1086103750.298978.1384093369055.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Sound Volume
I am running the 64 bit Debian Testing Jessie/sid in VMware Player v-6.0.2 build-179776. The sound is very faint in both Firefox v-25 and Chromium v-30.0.1599.101. Yet there is plenty of volume when I play a sound clip in Audacious. I am using the Audio Mixer Plugin on the Desktop, which is also working normally. I would appreciate some pointers to a solution to this problem. Thanks in advance. -- Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Life is a fuzzy set Foundation for Chemistry Stochastic and multivariate www.FoundationForChemistry.com (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/527cf0ba.9070...@sbcglobal.net
Re: Compiling kernel: problem!
On Wed, 06 Nov 2013 15:07:58 -0500 (EST), Antispammbox-debian wrote: Hi all I try compiling kernel 3.10 on Squeeze 6.0.7. with cpu Intel Centrino1 32bit. Unpack source in /usr/src, and: adduser user src chown -R root:src /usr/src chmod -R g+w /usr/src cp /boot/config-`uname -r` ./.config make menuconfig, but don't change any! make deb-pkg After finishid, 4 file.deb is present: linux-image-3.10.0_3.10.0-1_i386.deb linux-headers-3.10.0_3.10.0-1_i386.deb linux-firmware-image_3.10.0-1_i386.deb linux-libc-dev_3.10.0-1_i386.deb After installed file.deb and reboot, the hard disk change letters! from sda1 to hda1. From console, the command: fdisk -l, blkid and mount, is very slow! What could be the problem? Thanks Regards You're not having a problem compiling the kernel, you're having a problem running the kernel. It sounds to me like the compiling went just fine. Your subject line is misleading. I know a few things about compiling kernels, but I've never heard of these specific usage problems. I am currently using a custom 3.10 kernel on an up-to-date jessie system with no problems. Perhaps the new kernel requires a newer release of other software, such as udev or initramfs-tools, than you currently have on your squeeze system. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1192128197.242564.1383778158749.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: ANDROID (back to the OQ)
To the OP - Yes Android isn't open (most of it is) the drivers for radio modem and video display for example aren't neither are the Google Apps ie Gmail, Playstore etc. There is a team working on a pure Open version called Replicant. Wired magazine recently had a writeup that one interested might wish to read: http://goo.gl/Qeywdz the actual project page is here: http://goo.gl/L3QcpD . Hope this helps. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131101110612.GA5029@jessie.gatewire
Re: grid in LibreCAD
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 04:04:52PM -0700, peasth...@shaw.ca wrote: Is anyone using LibreCAD? Here it is 1.0.2 in Wheezy. Edit Current drawing preferences units is set to mm. Regardless of the setting in Current drawing preferences grid the snap grid is 10 mm. No evidence of the problem in the youtube tutorials and it appears to be a bug in the Debian release. Does anyone have a workaround? No, sorry - You'd probably be farther ahead asking on the LibreCAD website. There help forum is here: http://librecad.org/cms/home/get-help/forum.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131102030856.GA9983@jessie.gatewire
[SOLVED] Messed up audio settings
On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:55:44 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: Well, one thing leads to another. I started using Epiphany instead of iceweasel recently due to the sluggish performance of iceweasel. Now I have a different problem. Using Epiphany, I visited the YouTube site and played a music video. The sound didn't sound right. The voice sounds quieter, and like the singer is singing under water! I canceled out of it, launched iceweasel, and played the exact same video again. Now the sound is messed up in iceweasel too. Both browsers appear to be using the same audio player (Adobe Flash Player). I tried several other videos, just to make sure that there wasn't something weird about that particular video, but they all sound strange now. How do I get YouTube videos to sound right again? I tried playing around with settings in alsamixer, but nothing fixed it. I'm running an up-to-date jessie system. Well, guys, this is embarrassing. The solution turned out to be very simple. I unplugged the speakers from the audio jack and plugged them back in again. Problem solved. It was a physically loose connection. Sorry for the noise, (and pardon the pun), and thanks to all who responded. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/357912934.70931.1382928443839.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Messed up audio settings
Well, one thing leads to another. I started using Epiphany instead of iceweasel recently due to the sluggish performance of iceweasel. Now I have a different problem. Using Epiphany, I visited the YouTube site and played a music video. The sound didn't sound right. The voice sounds quieter, and like the singer is singing under water! I canceled out of it, launched iceweasel, and played the exact same video again. Now the sound is messed up in iceweasel too. Both browsers appear to be using the same audio player (Adobe Flash Player). I tried several other videos, just to make sure that there wasn't something weird about that particular video, but they all sound strange now. How do I get YouTube videos to sound right again? I tried playing around with settings in alsamixer, but nothing fixed it. I'm running an up-to-date jessie system. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/898889314.53362.1382802944543.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: upgrade to wheezy
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 02:20:43AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 00:05 +0200, mess-mate wrote: Thanks to all for the help !! You're welcome, but next time please write in plain text. On most mailing lists and this is one of them, HTML is frowned upon. It was multipart message, using mutt moi didn't see any html. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131023104600.GA17325@jessie.gatewire
sluggish iceweasel
I have been using the iceweasel web browser for years; but in the past several weeks using an up-to-date jessie system, iceweasel has become very sluggish. Even the simplest operations, like scrolling the screen, have become so sluggish that iceweasel has become almost unusable. I just tried switching to Epiphany, not known for lightning speed, but Epiphany is quite snappy compared to iceweasel now. Is it just me? Or has someone else noticed this too? Is there relief in sight? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1795474995.3818875.1382533641479.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: sluggish iceweasel
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:54:37 -0400 (EDT), Dmitrii Kashin wrote: I do not see this problem. What is your hardware? i386 platform. Intel Xeon processor. A single hyperthreaded core (two threads). SMP kernel. 2.40 GHz processor speed. 4G of RAM. ATI Range XL video chip. mach64 X driver. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/59169096.10429.1382577792336.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: sluggish iceweasel
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 14:47:45 -0400 (EDT), Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: Didn't you have some sort of problem with X recently? Something to do with your video adapter? What driver are you using with it at present? I did. The mach64 driver crashed during initialization and I switched to the vesa driver for a while. But I'm back on the mach64 driver now, thanks to a patch that worked. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1253937557.10627.1382578614189.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Problems with vesa X driver
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 08:54:18 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-17 at 07:47 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: ... However, the first problem may be a usage issue that I can solve with appropriate tweaks in xorg.conf. I just need to know what to do. Ideas anyone? ... In the past it was possible to get the frequency range by trial and error, today this doesn't work for me anymore, you need to get it from the web or your monitor's manual or IIRC I looked at a Suse install, they provided default values for monitors. My German monitor might be equal to another, international one, but IIRC I couldn't get info by the web, just Suse supported it. On Arch Linux with a nearly equal config, I get 81.9kHz/90.0Hz with the above config. IIRC the frequency thing does work with the vesa driver too, just the resolution has to be 1024x768 or another, but at least not 1152x864. I heard that modelines should be obsolet, but IIRC it doesn't work here without. IIRC used an online calculator to get it. I tried using an explicit Modeline, both for 85 Hz and for 75 Hz, but this doesn't seem to work with the vesa driver. The pertinent message from /var/log/Xorg.0.log seems to be thus: (II) VESA(0): VBESetVBEMode failed, mode set without customized refresh. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1349186017.3752235.1382148503311.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Problems with vesa X driver
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 13:20:03 -0400 (EDT), Marko Randjelovic wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 07:47:01 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: Due to a bug in the MACH64 driver (see Debian bug report 726585 for details), I am temporarily using the VESA X driver in Debian jessie to get graphical support to work on my machine. I am experiencing three problems with it. From Bug #726585: After upgrade of package xserver-xorg-video-mach64 from version 6.9.1-2 (which was working for me) to version 6.9.4-1+b1, I receive the following error during X initialization (extracted from /var/log/Xorg.0.log): If previous version was working then revert to it. I don't see how VESA can be better solution. I tried that. But the previous version of the driver has a dependency on xserver-xorg-video-abi-12, which is a virtual package not currently provided by any current package. The last package to provide it was the old version of xserver-xorg-core. Thus, a downgrade of xserver-xorg-core would be required too, and that in turn would require a downgrade of just about the entire suite of X-related packages. It's not worth doing. For the moment, the VESA driver is my only solution, and not a very good one. I'm considering trying to build the 3D support module for the MACH64 driver, in hopes that it will coax the MACH64 driver into working again. I have been content with 2D support up to now. I've heard that the 3D support module for this chipset has stability issues. But with the VESA driver, I don't even get 2D support, plus the issues mentioned in the original post. It seems like building the 3D support module is worth a try. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1613795735.3752525.1382149612725.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Problems with vesa X driver
Due to a bug in the MACH64 driver (see Debian bug report 726585 for details), I am temporarily using the VESA X driver in Debian jessie to get graphical support to work on my machine. I am experiencing three problems with it. First of all, I can only get 1024x768 resolution to work at a 60 Hz vertical refresh rate. That would be fine if my monitor was a modern flat screen digital one which was designed for a 60 Hz vertical refresh rate, but it's not. It's an old-fashioned CRT-based monitor. Both the monitor itself, as well as the video card, are capable of 1024x768 resolution at 85 Hz vertical refresh, and as far as I can tell, there is a video BIOS mode for this as well. But the driver still uses 60 Hz. Here is my /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Section Device Identifier Default Device Driver vesa EndSection Section Screen Identifier Configured Screen Device Default Device Monitor Default Monitor Subsection Display # # Note: specifying a mode name of 1024x768 eliminates interlaced modes # from consideration. Interlaced modes have a mode name ending in i. # For example: 1024x768i. # Modes 1024x768 EndSubSection EndSection The second problem is that if I switch from the graphical console back to a text console (with Ctrl+Alt+F1, for example), then switch to the graphical console again (with Alt+F7), the graphical screen is now very dim. The only way to recover is to restart the server. (Logout of graphical screen, then switch to text console with Alt+F1, login as root, then issue /etc/init.d/gdm3 stop deallocvt 8 killall console-kit-daemon deallocvt 7 /etc/init.d/gdm3 start This recovers screen brightness on the graphical console, but I had better not switch to a text console again or I'll have to go through the above exercise all over again. The third problem is that if my initial text video mode set at boot time (by the vga option) is other than the default 80x25 text mode, attempting to switch back to a text console from the graphical screen locks the system. Obviously this driver has problems with correctly saving and restoring video modes. Does anyone have any ideas how to solve any of these problems? I have a feeling that the last two problems are bona fide bugs which will need to be reported. However, the first problem may be a usage issue that I can solve with appropriate tweaks in xorg.conf. I just need to know what to do. Ideas anyone? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/253922582.3721539.1382010421642.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
RE: Set widescreen resolution in console
On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 16:14:14 -0400, Antonio Paiva wrote: On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 00:25:06 +0400, Dmitrii Kashin wrote: First of all, have you tried to boot your kernel with vga=ask option? Thank you Dmitrii. I did try vga=ask but that option is no longer supported by the debian kernel. On the grub console, I also tried vbeinfo and couldn't find the 1024x480 mode. And vbetest only worked with 640x480. Strictly speaking, vga is not a kernel option. That is, it cannot be passed on the kernel command line. It has to be specified by the boot loader by zapping the kernel boot sector before transferring control to the kernel. There has to be special support in the boot loader for the vga option. As I said in a previous post, vga does not work with the linux and initrd statements in grub2. You have to use linux16 and initrd16 instead. See my previous post for more information. I use the lilo boot loader, and the vga option works just fine with it, even on current jessie kernels. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/564578903.3659969.1381689768389.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Set widescreen resolution in console
On Wed, 09 Oct 2013 21:16:11 -0400 (EDT), Antonio Paiva wrote: I have recently acquired an old Sony Vaio PCG-C1VN (aka, a PictureBook) and installed Debian wheezy. The problem is that I can only get the *console* to run at 640x480 resolution. The C1VN has a (very wide) native resolution of 1024x480, but using only 640x480 is a serious waste of screen real estate. It works fine in X but, the for uses I have in mind (playing some music and reading/writing text), all I need works on the console. Moreover, using X slows down the machine enough to have a noticeable drag (not unbearable, not very annoying). (Bear in mind all this has is a Transmeta Crusoe @600MHz ~= Pentium II @400Mhz, and 112MB of RAM.) I'm using kernel modesetting (KMS) with the radeon kernel module (graphics card is an ATI Rage Mobility / Mach64). I tried setting the mode in GRUB via the GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX option, creating my own framebuffer mode, but either made no difference or I ended up with an even smaller resolution?! If you have any ideas or pointers to potential solutions, I would greatly appreciate the help. Thank you. Best regards, Antonio What driver is used in X? The MACH64 driver in X is a non-KMS-based driver. (/var/log/Xorg.0.log should tell you what driver is being used.) There will be a whole bunch of lines which start with that driver name. For example: MACH64(0): VESA BIOS DETECTED If you are using a non-KMS-based X driver, then your console should be running in a hardware text mode, the default for which is 80 columns by 25 rows. (That's 640 pixels by 400 pixels with a character cell of 16 pixels high by 8 pixels wide.) This can be changed by the VGA option. See my LILO web page for more information about the VGA option http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm When using the VGA option with grub2, you have to use the linux16 and initrd16 commands instead of linux and initrd, as described in this web page: https://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition At least, that's what I've been told. I myself don't use grub2, I use lilo. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/930339389.3648261.1381582664487.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: google-chrome-unstable apparently removes its executable
On Sun, Oct 06, 2013 at 11:42:15AM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote: Updating two testing systems this morning, I found that my Chrome suddenly became unable to find any web pages. Attempting to relaunch, it wasn't there! 'which google-chrome' returned nothing. I tried 'sudo apt-get install google-chrome-unstable', but it was already installed. Finally, on both systems, I did 'sudo apt-get install google-chrome-stable' and now have a working Chrome again. I guess that's what I get for being willing to live with unstable! Patrick You could have reinstalled it: 'aptitude reinstall google-chrome-unstable'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131009004326.GA8799@jessie.gatewire
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 01:33:41PM +0200, Florian Lindner wrote: Hello, Since I'm about to setup a new server using current stable wheezy, I want to recheck some of debian knowledge. What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or aptitude? Last time I read about it, it was aptitude, due to better dependency checking. What is the current state? apt-get or aptitude? Does it matter? What about using both? Thanks! Florian My understanding is that apt-get is better at resolving dependencies when a large amount of packages are to be installed, ie 'dist-upgrade'. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131009004635.GB8799@jessie.gatewire
Re: apt-get vs. aptitude
On Tue, Oct 08, 2013 at 11:35:57AM -0400, david...@ling.ohio-state.edu wrote: On Tue, 8 Oct 2013, Florian Lindner wrote: Since I'm about to setup a new server using current stable wheezy, I want to recheck some of debian knowledge. What is the prefered tool for installing on the CLI? apt-get or aptitude? Last time I read about it, it was aptitude, due to better dependency checking. What is the current state? apt-get or aptitude? Does it matter? What about using both? you might find this worth a look: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_basic_package_management_operations Excellent! Thanks for the resource, Wes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20131009005150.GC8799@jessie.gatewire
Re: just released Grml 2013.09
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:38:49PM +0200, sp113438 wrote: Hi All, To have a new boot-entry with grml: put grml64-full_2013.09.iso (or another one, see below) in the /boot/grml directory sudo apt-get install grml-rescueboot sudo update-grub get the iso at: http://grml.org/download/ Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130930025730.ga31...@debian.gateway.3wire.net
Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:17:40 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 19:41 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: But the correspondence between these Linux device names and the hardware device numbers varies widely from boot to boot. I can assure you of that from personal experience. So my question, if somebody experienced it already is answered. The s390x hardware platform is more susceptible to device name variations because of the extra online/offline layer. The kernel does not assign a major or minor device number to a DASD, nor does it assign it a user-space device name (/dev/dasda, /dev/dasdb, etc.) until the device is brought online. Under Debian, a DASD device is brought online by the sysconfig-hardware package, which in turn is invoked by udev. IDE and SCSI drives on the i386 or amd64 hardware platform do not have this extra layer of processing. But device name changes can happen on i386 and amd64 too. It's just less likely. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1370315749.3415771.1380373177940.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Building computer
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:57:43 -0400 (EDT), Beco r...@beco.cc wrote: Questions for people who compile kernel and their machines: How long a considered fast kernel compilation would last? I'd like to have a clue. And in what kind of computer (processor / RAM / anything else relevant)? Thanks! Beco. I haven't been following this thread, but I happened to notice this particular post. That depends on many factors, such as the speed of your processor, the speed of your hard disk drive, how you have your kernel configured, the architecture you use and how many drivers are available for it, etc. For my 32-bit Xeon processor (2.40 GHz) compiling for the i386 architecture, using a kernel configuration that is not too much different from a stock Debian kernel, it takes hours. The machine has 4G of RAM. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1714746847.3410869.1380322377088.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 23:00:14 -0400 (EDT), Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: A lot more software?! Installing initramfs-tools will just pull in klibc-utils, libklibc, and busybox! Also, one can limit the size of the initial RAM file system itself by using modules=dep in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/driver-policy. This attempts to include only items required for booting in the initial RAM file system. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/558304455.3410915.1380322665423.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:41:54 -0400 (EDT), Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: I couldn't care less how many disks you have. Defaulting to the use of UUIDs isn't some wacky whim but a well-reasoned technical decision, unless you want to claim to know more than the developers putting together distributions. This isn't a question of /dev/sdX works for me, yay! The issue is that device names aren't NECESSARILY stable (some would say that they've never been so) so, distributions are using UUIDs in order to avoid having any Linux user anywhere be unable to boot because sda is now sdc, sdb is now sda, and sdc is now sdb... +1 Well said. By the way, even if you only have one hard disk, you can still get into trouble. For example, I have a one-hard-disk system where my hard disk normally shows up as /dev/sda and my CD-ROM drive normally shows up as /dev/sr0. But if I boot from the CD-ROM drive using a Debian installer CD in rescue mode, my CD-ROM drive shows up as /dev/sda and my hard disk shows up as /dev/sdb! Specifying the device name for the permanent root file system is not the only problem. Suspend/resume is another example. The suspend partition is identified by the Debian installer in /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume by means of a UUID. The Debian init scripts try to process a resume image *before* they attempt to mount the permanent root file system. (By the way, this tells you that /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume is one of the files that gets built in to the initial RAM file system; so if you change it you must rebuild your initial RAM file system.) If you don't use an initial RAM file system, you may have trouble with getting suspend/resume to work, or to work properly. Early loading of CPU microcode upgrades is another example. The point is that the architects of the Debian init scripts pretty much assume that an initial RAM file system is used, and they take advantage of that assumption when they write their init scripts. Although it is still possible to create a kernel that does not use an initial RAM file system, that doesn't mean that it is a good idea. As time goes on, one is likely to encounter more and more problems as the result of swimming upstream against the way the system is designed to work these days. On s390x hardware, I have a Debian Linux system that has four disks. These disks are assigned the device names /dev/dasda, /dev/dasdb, /dev/dasdc, and /dev/dasdd by the kernel. But the correspondence between these Linux device names and the hardware device numbers varies widely from boot to boot. I can assure you of that from personal experience. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/133244.3411509.1380325292433.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: DEVTMPFS, DEVTMPFS_MOUNT, custom no initrd kernel, udev 175-7.2 and 204-4
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:25:33 -0400 (EDT), Regid Ichira wrote: In view of http://bugs.debian.org/722580 and http://bugs.debian.org/722604: A machine with: - a custom, non initrd, linux image - udev 175-7.2 - no DEVTMPFS in the kernel configuration is able to boot. 1. Will the machine boot with CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y # CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT is not set ? Again, custom, non initrd, linux image. udev 175-7.2. 2. What about CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y ? custom, non initrd, linux image. udev 175-7.2. 3. Will it boot when /etc/init.d/udev from udev 175-7.2 is edtited by hand? If so, what modifications, by hand, are required to /etc/init.d/udev? Are there more files to edit? Again, custom, non initrd, linux image. 4. When udev 204-4 is installed, what should be the settings of CONFIG_DEVTMPFS and CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT for a custom, non initrd, linux image? Isn't there an upgrade path problem for people with a custom, non initrd, linux image that have DEVTMPFS unset? I mean, newer udev can't be installed without CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y. So one has to boot into a CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y kernel before upgrading udev. But will a custom, non initrd, linux image with CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y boot with udev 175-7.2? I don't know the answer to any of your specific questions, but I will say in general that, in my humble opinion, I would avoid creating kernels with no initial RAM file system. Back in the day when the only purpose for an initial RAM file system was to load kernel modules that were needed before the permanent root file system could be mounted, an alternative to doing this was to build the needed support directly into the kernel, thus eliminating the need to load these kernel modules and thus eliminating the need for an initial RAM file system. But modern Linux systems need the initial RAM file system for other things now besides loading kernel modules, such as launching early user space processes such as udev. Some work by udev may need to be done before the permanent root file system can be mounted, such as creating symbolic links in the /dev/disk directory and its subdirectories. In general, it is not safe to use root file system specifications such as /dev/sda1 anymore, since the device name mapping can change from boot to boot. Specifying the root file system by means of a UUID or LABEL gets around this problem, but that requires that udev and friends have already done their disk identification work by then. And without an initial RAM file system, udev cannot be launched until after the permanent root file system has been mounted. It's a catch 22 situation. My advice, for what it's worth, is to stop swimming upstream and use an initial RAM file system. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/633734621.3380613.1380198178265.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: HDD repair help please
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:08:54 -0400 (EDT), Gábor Hársfalvi wrote: Hi, How could I repair my HDD with disk manager or similar? Because, it has got a lots of bad sector. Before I could do that with fsck in recovery mode after umount /home. But now it can't work - it says device in use. fsck cannot repair a file system which is mounted read/write. It can only repair a file system which is not mounted or which is mounted read/only. However, if the sectors are bad because the hard disk is going bad, fsck cannot fix that. You need to determine why the sectors went bad in the first place. If your hard disk is going bad, it's time to replace the hard disk. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/740343458.3392139.1380233277438.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:33:40 -0400 (EDT), Lisi Reisz wrote: You know more than Stephen Powell, but you do not know about threading?! Regid, What Lisi is saying is that changing the subject line of a post does not start a new thread. You have to remove the In-reply-to: tag from your e-mail header before you send it. If your e-mail client does not allow you to edit the header, then you need to do a copy and paste of the old message into a brand new e-mail with a new subject line to start a new thread. If you look on the Debian mailing list archives, you will see that your second e-mail is still part of the original thread. I learned this the same way I learned most things: by making mistakes and learning from them. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/292348606.3392457.1380234628455.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?
On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 11:57:34 -0400 (EDT), Regid Ichira wrote: I deliberately changed the subject of this message because I hope people will also pay attention to my previous message in the thread. At http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg01150.html, which, I hope, this message will be a follow-up to, Stephen Powell wrote that, in general, initrd are desirable. He gave a few example where, he believes, one can not get without it. I am no expert. I do believe that, other then corner cases, most, if not all, the examples are wrong. They can be done without an initrd. I think the basic reason is that one can have udev rules that will map specific devices to specific names. Now, considering that an initrd requires a lot more software, I think that an initrd should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. You don't seem to understand. First of all, even if you have written udev rules to map specific devices to specific names, this mapping cannot take place until udev starts. udev is not kernel code. It is not a kernel module, nor can it be built in to the kernel. It is a user-space process. That means that it must be read from a file system and executed as a command. And that means that a file system must be mounted. If you don't use an initial RAM file system, there is no file system from which to read udev until the permanent root file system is mounted (usually read-only initially). And if the permanent root file system is already mounted, it is too late to assign a name to it. You must know the name before udev gets launched. Second, this is contrary to the direction and thinking of the kernel people these days. Traditional device names, such as /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, (and therefore the partitions on those devices, such as /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb1, etc.) are not assigned in a predictable manner anymore. This device name assignment can change from one boot to the next. In order to specify which partition is to be mounted as the permanent root file system in a manner which is independent of the now-unpredictable device name assignment, you must rely on something like the uuid or label of the partition, which is presumed to be unique. For example, if your boot loader is LILO, something like root=UUID=3860da3c-b206-44d9-920c-5ed4beac34e9 can be specified in /etc/lilo.conf. This results in the following being added to the kernel command line by the LILO boot loader: root=UUID=3860da3c-b206-44d9-920c-5ed4beac34e9 But in order for the kernel to figure out which partition on which disk this is, it looks for a symbolic link called /dev/disk/by-uuid/3860da3c-b206-44d9-920c-5ed4beac34e9 If it finds it, it can determine what partition to mount as the permanent root file system. But if it can't find it, it can't mount the permanent root file system. How did that symbolic link get created? udev created it. udev, launched from the initial RAM file system, has already created this symbolic link. It might point to /dev/sda1 on this boot. But on the next boot, it might point to /dev/sdb1. In either case, it will be the correct partition to mount as the permanent root file system. But if you don't use an initial RAM file system, udev has not been launched yet, and therefore, the symbolic link does not exist yet, and therefore, the kernel can't find the permanent root file system if you refer to it by means of a uuid. The same principle applies for referring to a partition by means of a disk label. Although it is still possible to create a kernel that does not use an initial RAM file system, the design of modern Linux systems pretty much assumes that one is used. I predict that as time goes on you will continue to encounter more and more problems as the result of not using one. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1287490021.3392877.1380236855592.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Debian Testing/Jessie and OpenGL
I have installed jessie in an Oracle VBox on my laptop tp use as a test bed for new applications software without jeopardizing my native Linux production computer. Unfortunately, some of the candidate software I wish to evaluate appear to require OpenGL for correct operation. Although I have been usiing various distributions of Linux since shortly before the release of the RedHat Mother' Day distribution, I am not a computer person, but rather a research chemist. Here are some of the error messages that i get: OpenGL Warning: glGetFenceivNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glIsFenceNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glSetFenceNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glTestFenceNV not found in mesa table opengl extension not present, SSAO disable opengl extension GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil is not present I question is: which additional packages should I install? I would appreciate being pointed in the correct direction. Thanks in advance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/522f1ee6.7020...@sbcglobal.net
Re: Debian Testing/Jessie and OpenGL
On 09/10/2013 03:28 PM, steef wrote: On 10-09-13 18:39, steef wrote: On 10-09-13 15:36, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D. Life is a fuzzy set Foundation for Chemistry Stochastic and multivariate www.FoundationForChemistry.com (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1 -Original Message- From: steef [mailto:debian.li...@home.nl] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:52 AM To: debian Subject: Re: Debian Testing/Jessie and OpenGL On 10-09-13 13:30, Stephen P, Molnar wrote: I have installed jessie in an Oracle VBox on my laptop tp use as a test bed for new applications software without jeopardizing my native Linux production computer. Unfortunately, some of the candidate software I wish to evaluate appear to require OpenGL for correct operation. Although I have been usiing various distributions of Linux since shortly before the release of the RedHat Mother' Day distribution, I am not a computer person, but rather a research chemist. Here are some of the error messages that i get: OpenGL Warning: glGetFenceivNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glIsFenceNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glSetFenceNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glTestFenceNV not found in mesa table opengl extension not present, SSAO disable opengl extension GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil is not present I question is: which additional packages should I install? I would appreciate being pointed in the correct direction. Thanks in advance. hi try libgl1-mesa-dev or something like that. if you install synaptic you can search for the mesa-packages with openglx-possibilities and install them. maybe this is of ame help. reg., steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/522f4006.8050...@home.nl Thanks for the reply. I added libgl1-mesa-dev, but that didn't solve the problem (not too surprisingly - that would have been too simple). I did, however record the run log, it's attached - perhaps there are clues buried there. i'll look at it tonight, local time. have now to feed my family. reg., steef hi stephen, it seems to be a known issue. look at: http://www.salome-platform.org/forum/forum_10/826530538 regards, steef Very Interesting. Many thanks for the reference. I'll try it in a new implementation in VBox -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/522f7899.7060...@sbcglobal.net
RE: Debian Testing/Jessie and OpenGL
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.Life is a fuzzy set Foundation for Chemistry Stochastic and multivariate www.FoundationForChemistry.com (614)312-7528 (c) Skype: smolnar1 -Original Message- From: steef [mailto:debian.li...@home.nl] Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 11:52 AM To: debian Subject: Re: Debian Testing/Jessie and OpenGL On 10-09-13 13:30, Stephen P, Molnar wrote: I have installed jessie in an Oracle VBox on my laptop tp use as a test bed for new applications software without jeopardizing my native Linux production computer. Unfortunately, some of the candidate software I wish to evaluate appear to require OpenGL for correct operation. Although I have been usiing various distributions of Linux since shortly before the release of the RedHat Mother' Day distribution, I am not a computer person, but rather a research chemist. Here are some of the error messages that i get: OpenGL Warning: glGetFenceivNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glIsFenceNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glSetFenceNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glTestFenceNV not found in mesa table opengl extension not present, SSAO disable opengl extension GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil is not present I question is: which additional packages should I install? I would appreciate being pointed in the correct direction. Thanks in advance. hi try libgl1-mesa-dev or something like that. if you install synaptic you can search for the mesa-packages with openglx-possibilities and install them. maybe this is of ame help. reg., steef -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/522f4006.8050...@home.nl Thanks for the reply. I added libgl1-mesa-dev, but that didn't solve the problem (not too surprisingly - that would have been too simple). I did, however record the run log, it's attached - perhaps there are clues buried there. computation@inga:~$ cd Apps/pymol computation@inga:~/Apps/pymol$ ./pymol OpenGL Warning: glFlushVertexArrayRangeNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glVertexArrayRangeNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glCombinerInputNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glCombinerOutputNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glCombinerParameterfNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glCombinerParameterfvNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glCombinerParameteriNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glCombinerParameterivNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glFinalCombinerInputNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glGetCombinerInputParameterfvNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glGetCombinerInputParameterivNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glGetCombinerOutputParameterfvNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glGetCombinerOutputParameterivNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glGetFinalCombinerInputParameterfvNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glGetFinalCombinerInputParameterivNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glDeleteFencesNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glFinishFenceNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glGenFencesNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glGetFenceivNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glIsFenceNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glSetFenceNV not found in mesa table OpenGL Warning: glTestFenceNV not found in mesa table PyMOL(TM) Molecular Graphics System, Version 1.6.0.0. Copyright (c) Schrodinger, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Created by Warren L. DeLano, Ph.D. PyMOL is user-supported open-source software. Although some versions are freely available, PyMOL is not in the public domain. If PyMOL is helpful in your work or study, then please volunteer support for our ongoing efforts to create open and affordable scientific software by purchasing a PyMOL Maintenance and/or Support subscription. More information can be found at http://www.pymol.org;. Enter help for a list of commands. Enter help command-name for information on a specific command. Hit ESC anytime to toggle between text and graphics. Detected OpenGL version 2.0 or greater. Shaders available. Detected GLSL version 1.40. OpenGL Warning: No pincher, please call crStateSetCurrentPointers() in your SPU OpenGL graphics engine: GL_VENDOR: Humper GL_RENDERER: Chromium GL_VERSION: 2.1 Chromium 1.9 Detected 4 CPU cores. Enabled multithreaded rendering. OpenGL Warning: No pincher, please call crStateSetCurrentPointers() in your SPU HEADERCOMPLEX (HYDROLASE/PEPTIDE) 01-AUG-96 1YTI TITLE SIV PROTEASE CRYSTALLIZED WITH PEPTIDE PRODUCT COMPNDMOL_ID: 1; COMPND 2 MOLECULE: SIV PROTEASE; COMPND 3 CHAIN: A; COMPND 4 SYNONYM: SIV PROTEINASE; COMPND 5 EC: 3.4.23.16; COMPND 6 ENGINEERED: YES; COMPND
Re: rename ttyS*
On Fri, 06 Sep 2013 09:20:08 -0400 (EDT), Josh Stephens wrote: You could look at using a udev rule to do the mapping for you. (Sigh). Replying to Cosme's posts are a waste of time. He is from Cuba. And his government blocks in-coming e-mails from outside Cuba. And either the Debian mailing list archives are a blocked web site or he doesn't know how to access them. The only way he's going to get a reply, if at all, is if someone inside Cuba sends him a private e-mail. And that's not likely, because chances are no-one inside Cuba saw his post. Cosme posted essentially the same question last month, and got some on-list replies, one from me, but he evidently did not see them. It is very frustrating. It's probably frustrating for him, too. As for the problem itself, I don't see the problem. Linux is working as designed. That's what it is supposed to do. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1173885961.3028466.1378507772181.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: strange bash behavior
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 12:26:17 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: Interesting. If break appears out of context, you should get an error message something like: bash: break: only meaningful in a 'for', 'while', or 'until' loop You didn't get an error message, so part of bash thinks it is in context. Yet it did not exit the loop. It seems to me that you should get one behavior or the other. Either you should get an error message or it should exit the loop. I just tried this in both ash and dash. Neither one of them produce an error message when break is issued out of context. It simply executes as a no-op. (break is a shell built-in command, of course, not an external command.) So despite the fact that break is not producing an error message when one might expect it to, it is apparently exhibiting expected behavior in the sense that output is identical to what would occur with ash and dash. (Issue busybox ash to get ash. exit to exit, of course.) -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/84639284.2989400.1378334667562.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: strange bash behavior
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 05:27:55 -0400 (EDT), Matej Kosik wrote: This morning I have been puzzled by bash. After typing the following command: for i in `seq 1 5`;do echo $i; test $i = 3 break; done I see: 1 2 3 Which is OK. However, if the break command appears in a subshell: for i in `seq 1 5`;do echo $i; test $i = 3 (break); done then the break command does not seem to have any effect 1 2 3 4 5 I am curious, is this something to be expected? Interesting. If break appears out of context, you should get an error message something like: bash: break: only meaningful in a 'for', 'while', or 'until' loop You didn't get an error message, so part of bash thinks it is in context. Yet it did not exit the loop. It seems to me that you should get one behavior or the other. Either you should get an error message or it should exit the loop. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1155847423.2945873.1378139177503.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: minicom and/or setserial
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 10:08:36 -0400 (EDT), co...@esid.gecgr.co.cu wrote: I have problem with my serial port With dmseg | grep tty [0.004000] console [tty0] enabled [1.769854] serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A [1.770070] serial8250: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A [1.770721] 00:09: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A [1.771023] 00:0a: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A [1.772842] :02:02.0: ttyS2 at I/O 0x9400 (irq = 9) is a 16550A [1.773360] :02:02.1: ttyS3 at I/O 0x9800 (irq = 9) is a 16550A How do change [1.770721] 00:09: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A [1.771023] 00:0a: ttyS1 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A to [1.770721] 00:09: ttyS4 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A [1.771023] 00:0a: ttyS5 at I/O 0x2f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A It posible resolve with setserial or minicom ??? Sorry my english is not good What's the problem? This is the standard way for Linux to name serial ports. 3F8 gets /dev/ttyS0 and 2F8 gets /dev/ttyS1. That is working as designed. I would be more concerned about /dev/ttyS2 and /dev/ttyS3 sharing IRQ 9. IRQ sharing usually doesn't work with serial ports. Also, IRQ 9 is normally used by the ACPI controller. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1175097672.2922167.1377952145307.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Building initrd for install Wheezy on pc without PAE
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 05:32:36 -0400 (EDT), antispammbox-debian wrote: Kernel 486 is very old 1999?, for my laptop, :-), I would like to install a kernel 686, as with Squeeze. Unfortunately, Debian does not offer a 686 non-PAE kernel in wheezy as a stock kernel image package, as it did for squeeze. If you want a kernel which is optimized for your processor you will need to build a custom kernel. I just finished doing that yesterday, as a matter of fact, for my laptop, which has a Pentium M processor. It does not support PAE. (I only have 1G of memory installed anyway, so PAE features would not benefit me.) cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell you all the details about your processor. If you don't see pae under flags, then your processor does not support PAE. Building a custom kernel is not a trivial process. But if you want to tackle this task, I recommend http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/Kernel.htm as your guide. Select your processor type during make menuconfig. Use a -486 kernel config file as your starting point for customization. Good luck. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8377690.2832355.1377529627608.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Partitions
On Fri, 09 Aug 2013 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT), Klaus Jantzen wrote: by some magic the partitions on a HDD receive a block-id or UUID (for fstab). Does the ID of a partition change when the partition is moved or when a new partition is created in the unallocated space between two partitions? Thanks for any info. The UUID is assigned when the partition is formatted, not when it is allocated. Commands such as mke2fs or mkswap do the formatting. Moving or resizing a partition will not change its UUID, nor will allocating or deallocating another partition in any location. However, reformatting the partition will normally change its UUID unless the old UUID is explicitly specified as an option during formatting. For example, I've heard, though I have not personally verified it, that the Ubuntu installer has a habit of reformatting swap partitions during installation that were originally created by the Debian installer, thus messing up the Debian system's use of the swap partitions. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1782814833.2585471.1376231789082.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: post-install questions
On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 12:49:36 -0400 (EDT), François Patte wrote: I have just finished my debian installation and I have a few questions: 1- For some reason the root account was not activated (I, maybe, missed some step); so I activated it following the docs, but there are two problems: a) root can login through lightdm and access a graphical session! How to disable this? I don't use lightdm, so I don't know. Someone else will have to answer this question. b) root umask is set to 077, which is problematic if you don't pay attention to this setting. That's strange. That is not the Debian default. The Debian default for umask is 022. (See /etc/login.defs.) Perhaps pam_umask is overriding this? FTP servers have their own method for specifying the umask value. For example, vsftpd sets the local_umask value in /etc/vsftpd.conf for ftp client sessions. 2- Is there a gnome-network-manager like program under xfce? I try to have an installation with a minimum number of gnome packages. I tried to install gnome-network-manager, but I got a full installation of gnome desktop which made a coup d'état and took power over xfce. I purged my system from gnome packages. I don't use xfce, so I don't know. 3- Is it possible to install a package without its dependencies with apt-get? I wanted to install auctex but apt-get wants to install a lot of TeX packages which I don't want. I know, auctex is made for TeX, but I install texlive directly from CTAN and don't want to have 2 TeX installations. Maybe, but in general, you shouldn't. There are three levels of dependency. A package can DEPEND on another package, RECOMMEND another package, or SUGGEST another package. By default, aptitude, and I think apt-get as well, installs all packages that are dependencies or recommendations. You can suppress the installation of recommended packages with aptitude -R install package_name or apt-get --no-install-recommends install package_name This may help. But if the extra packages are truly dependencies of the package you want to install, it probably won't work without the dependent packages, even if you can get it installed. 4- I installed emacs24, and it returns a warning when it is launched from an xfce terminal: Gtk-WARNING **: gtk window parse geometry() called on a window with no visible children; the window should be set up before gtk window parse geometry() is called. What does this mean? I don't use emacs and I know nothing about gtk. I hope others can help you with the questions I couldn't answer. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1723425972.2588008.1376245293270.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: root.root and netdev group for /dev/net/tun ?
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 22:19:42 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote: The attributes of /dev/net/tun are controlled by the file /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules which is part of the udev package. Search for the character string tun in this file. You will find a line which looks like this: KERNEL==tun, MODE=0666, OPTIONS+=static_node=net/tun If you want to change the group to netdev, change the above to KERNEL==tun, GROUP=netdev MODE=0666, OPTIONS+=static_node=net/tun You might also want to change the mode settings, so that only root and members of the netdev group can access the /dev/net/tun device. For example, KERNEL==tun, GROUP=netdev MODE=0660, OPTIONS+=static_node=net/tun One other thing -- 91-permissions.rules is in the initial RAM file system; so if you change 91-permissions.rules, you will need to rebuild the initial RAM file system image file. update-initramfs -uk $(uname -r) will rebuild the initial RAM file system image file for the running kernel. If you have alternate kernels installed, you will need to rebuild the initial RAM file system image files for the alternate kernels too. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1625680288.2446703.1375410066034.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: root.root and netdev group for /dev/net/tun ?
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 04:28:01 -0400 (EDT), Erwan David wrote: I think that what is found in /etc/udev/rules predates /lib/udev/rules, thus just putting the modified line in a file in this directory should be sufficient and shoud survive an udev update. I think you meant to say /etc/udev/rules.d and /lib/udev/rules.d, respectively. Yes, you can copy the file from /lib/udev/rules.d to /etc/udev/rules.d and then modify the copy in /etc/udev/rules.d. But if the file 91-permissions.rules changes in a subsequent update of the udev package, chances are that there were changes made to it that you *want* to take effect. It is still necessary to coordinate the changes made by package maintenance with the changes which you yourself have made. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/744543456.2369828.1375018300585.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: root.root and netdev group for /dev/net/tun ?
On Sun, 28 Jul 2013 07:42:29 -0400 (EDT), Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Sat 27 Jul 2013 at 22:19:42 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: ... The change does not take effect until the next reboot, of course. Wouldn't 'udevadm trigger' avoid a reboot? If you wish to avoid a reboot, the simplest solution is to manually alter (as root) the attributes of the /dev/net/tun pseudo-file. For example, # chgrp netdev /dev/net/tun # chmod 0660 /dev/net/tun But of course, the attributes will revert to what they were before upon the next reboot unless changes have been made to the 91-permissions.rules file. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/384154941.2369874.1375018772241.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: root.root and netdev group for /dev/net/tun ?
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 21:28:09 -0400 (EDT), Zenaan Harkness wrote: Is there a reason why the default ownership of /dev/net/tun is root.root? I'm on sid. Don't know if it's anything I did, pretty sure not. As in, is there a reason that /dev/net/tun is not owned root.netdev? The attributes of /dev/net/tun are controlled by the file /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules which is part of the udev package. Search for the character string tun in this file. You will find a line which looks like this: KERNEL==tun, MODE=0666, OPTIONS+=static_node=net/tun If you want to change the group to netdev, change the above to KERNEL==tun, GROUP=netdev MODE=0666, OPTIONS+=static_node=net/tun You might also want to change the mode settings, so that only root and members of the netdev group can access the /dev/net/tun device. For example, KERNEL==tun, GROUP=netdev MODE=0660, OPTIONS+=static_node=net/tun As for why it is the way it is, you might want to ask the package maintainer for the udev package that question. Of course, if the udev package is ever serviced, you may need to re-make your changes. The change does not take effect until the next reboot, of course. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/548182802.2367641.1374977982693.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Debian Testing VMWare-Tools Bad Variable Name
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:23:00 +0200
emmanuel segura emi2f...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello List
I try to figure out i what i think, get_version_integer function get 3
parameters
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# Get the running kernel integer version
get_version_integer() {
local version_uts
local v1
local v2
local v3
version_uts=`uname -r`
# There is no double quote around the back-quoted expression on
purpose # There is no double quote around $version_uts on purpose
set `IFS='.'; echo $version_uts`
v1=$1
v2=$2
v3=$3
# There is no double quote around the back-quoted expression on
purpose # There is no double quote around $v3 on purpose
set `IFS='-ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ_abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz';
echo $v3`
v3=$1
kernel_version_integer $v1 $v2 $v3
}
+++
the 3 paraters are passed to function kernel_version_integer, but i
see in whole script, get_version_intege function is called without
parameters
+
vmware_start_acpi_hotplug() {
if [ `isLoaded $acpi` = 'yes' ]; then
# acpiphp is already loaded. Success.
return 0
fi
# Don't allow pciehp and acpiphp to overlap. Also don't unload
# pciehp in order to then load acpiphp as this won't avoid acpiphp
# crashing while trying to register a device node pciehp already
has. # All this only before 2.6.17 - since 2.6.17 pciehp and acpiphp
can # coexist.
if [ `isLoaded pciehp` = 'yes' ]; then
local ok_kver=`kernel_version_integer '2' '6' '17'`
local run_kver=`get_version_integer`
if [ $run_kver -lt $ok_kver ]; then
return 1
fi
fi
modprobe $acpi
return 0
}
+++
I don't use vmware for do a test
Thanks an sorry for my english :)
2013/7/22 emmanuel segura emi2f...@gmail.com
Sorry
Forgot the previous mail
2013/7/22 emmanuel segura emi2f...@gmail.com
Hello List
Maybe i wrong but i think the error is local
run_kver=`get_version_integer` the script calls
get_version_integer like external command, but it's a function
Thanks
2013/7/21 William Hopkins we.hopk...@gmail.com
On 07/21/13 at 04:09pm, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
In the case of Debian 7.1.0 the vmware tools installed without
any
problems.
Unfortunately, this was not the case with Debian Testing. the
tools installed without any problems, but when the installer ran
/usr/bin/ware/vmware.config.tools.pl there were errors:
Starting VMware Tools services in the virtual machine:
Switching to guest configuration: [71G done
/etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name
/etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name
Blocking file system: [71Gfailed
/etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1187: local: ': bad variable name
Guest operating system daemon: [71G done
Unable to start services for VMware Tools
The lines in question are:
1090 local run_kver=`get_version_integer`
and
1187local run_kver=`get_version_integer`
Can you provide the vmware.config.tools.pl from your system?
Can you `type get_version_integer`? if it's referenced in that
script, can you
provide it also? Sounds like an unescaped quote in one of these
scripts, might
have to identify the maintainer and bugreport upstream.
Also, didn't you post this recently, with a longer log? Is this
the same issue?
--
William
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Thanks for you reply and suggestion. Unfortunately, diffuse show
no differences between the two /etc/init.d/vmware-tools files.
Incidentally, your English is far better that my (non-existent) Spanish.
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Re: Debian Testing VMWare-Tools Bad Variable Name
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 09:31:34 -0500 Selim T. Erdogan se...@alumni.cs.utexas.edu wrote: This is a long shot but for some reason I was reminded of having trouble with a non-debian script a few months ago, that also asked to be run by /bin/sh (as your attachment did). At the time, on my wheezy system (while it was still in testing), /bin/sh pointed to dash, not bash, so the script didn't work right. I fixed it with dpkg-reconfigure dash. So you could check if the /bin/sh on the two systems points to the same shell with the same version. Selim Thanks for the reply, and suggestion. If it had worked even a long shot is useful. Unfortunately, it didn't work. I am, however, grateful for the suggestion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130722110655.454f7...@inga.att.net
Strange Problem with Executable File
I have installed Debian v 7.1.0 and Debian Testing in 2 different implementations of VMWare Player on my 64 bit laptop to use as test beds before deploying software to my 7.1.0 production machine. I have run into a rather strange problem when I installed MOPAC2012. The author furnishes the program as a compiled MOPAC2012.exe even though it's compiled as a Linux program, and, in fact, runs in v-7.1.0 in the VMWare Player. I installed exactly the same executable in the Testing version, but when I attemtp to execute the program I get the following: computation@inga:/opt/mopac$ ./MOPAC2012.exe 7840404a15291320 bash: ./MOPAC2012.exe: No such file or directory computation@inga:/opt/mopac$ The permissions are -rwxr-xr-x I happen to be a chemist, not a programmer, and would greatly appreciate some guidance as to a solution to this prroble. Thanks in advance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130722154720.717b6...@inga.att.net
Re: Strange Problem with Executable File
On Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:33:57 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de wrote: On 2013-07-22 21:47 +0200, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: I have installed Debian v 7.1.0 and Debian Testing in 2 different implementations of VMWare Player on my 64 bit laptop to use as test beds before deploying software to my 7.1.0 production machine. I have run into a rather strange problem when I installed MOPAC2012. The author furnishes the program as a compiled MOPAC2012.exe even though it's compiled as a Linux program, and, in fact, runs in v-7.1.0 in the VMWare Player. I installed exactly the same executable in the Testing version, but when I attemtp to execute the program I get the following: computation@inga:/opt/mopac$ ./MOPAC2012.exe 7840404a15291320 bash: ./MOPAC2012.exe: No such file or directory This indicates that the interpreter for MOPAC2012.exe is missing, which can happen if it's a 32-bit program and you don't have libc6-i386 installed. I happen to be a chemist, not a programmer, and would greatly appreciate some guidance as to a solution to this prroble. Install libc6-i386 and retry. Cheers, Sven Many thanks. Missing libraries i386 were the problem! Al is now well!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130722185852.5e1cd...@inga.att.net
Debian Testing VMWare-Tools Bad Variable Name
I am using VMWare Reader v-5.0.2 and the associated VMWare Tools with both Debian v-7.1.0 and Debian Testing (different VMWare Reader directories, of course) installed on my 64 bit Windows 7 laptop as testbeds before making any changes to my Linux production machine. In the case of Debian 7.1.0 the vmware tools installed without any problems. Unfortunately, this was not the case with Debian Testing. the tools installed without any problems, but when the installer ran /usr/bin/ware/vmware.config.tools.pl there were errors: Starting VMware Tools services in the virtual machine: Switching to guest configuration:[71G done /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name Blocking file system:[71Gfailed /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1187: local: ': bad variable name Guest operating system daemon:[71G done Unable to start services for VMware Tools The lines in question are: 1090 local run_kver=`get_version_integer` and 1187local run_kver=`get_version_integer` I don't have the faintest idea as to what the error is and would appreciate any pointers towards a solution. Thanks in advance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/51ec400d.5040...@sbcglobal.net
Re: FW: Debian Testing VMWare-Tools Bad Variable Name
On 07/21/2013 06:23 PM, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
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From: William Hopkins [mailto:we.hopk...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 4:26 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Debian Testing VMWare-Tools Bad Variable Name
On 07/21/13 at 04:09pm, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
In the case of Debian 7.1.0 the vmware tools installed without any
problems.
Unfortunately, this was not the case with Debian Testing. the tools
installed without any problems, but when the installer ran
/usr/bin/ware/vmware.config.tools.pl there were errors:
Starting VMware Tools services in the virtual machine:
Switching to guest configuration:[71G done
/etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name
/etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name
Blocking file system:[71Gfailed
/etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1187: local: ': bad variable name
Guest operating system daemon:[71G done Unable to start services
for VMware Tools
The lines in question are:
1090 local run_kver=`get_version_integer`
and
1187local run_kver=`get_version_integer`
Can you provide the vmware.config.tools.pl from your system?
Can you `type get_version_integer`? if it's referenced in that script, can
you provide it also? Sounds like an unescaped quote in one of these scripts,
might have to identify the maintainer and bugreport upstream.
Also, didn't you post this recently, with a longer log? Is this the same
issue?
--
William
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I did post this earlier, but, in my haste,
I missed some messages from the installer.
computation@inga:~$ type get_version_integer
bash: type: get_version_integer: not found
I've attached the file.
I really appreciate your assistance.
Again, thanks in advance.
#!/bin/sh
#
# Copyright (c) 1998-2013 VMware, Inc. All rights reserved.
#
# This script manages the services needed to run VMware software
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides: vmware-tools
# Required-Start: $local_fs
# Required-Stop: $local_fs
# X-Start-Before: $network
# X-Stop-After: $network
# Default-Start: S
# Default-Stop: 0 6
# Short-Description: VMware Tools service
# Description: Manages the services needed to run VMware Tools
### END INIT INFO
# BEGINNING_OF_UTIL_DOT_SH
#!/bin/sh
#
# Copyright (c) 2005-2013 VMware, Inc. All rights reserved.
#
# A few utility functions used by our shell scripts. Some expect the settings
# database to already be loaded and evaluated.
vmblockmntpt=/proc/fs/vmblock/mountPoint
vmblockfusemntpt=/var/run/vmblock-fuse
vmware_failed() {
if [ `type -t 'echo_failure' 2/dev/null` = 'function' ]; then
echo_failure
else
echo -n $rc_failed
fi
}
vmware_success() {
if [ `type -t 'echo_success' 2/dev/null` = 'function' ]; then
echo_success
else
echo -n $rc_done
fi
}
# Execute a macro
vmware_exec() {
local msg=$1 # IN
local func=$2 # IN
shift 2
echo -n ' '$msg
# On Caldera 2.2, SIGHUP is sent to all our children when this script exits
# I wanted to use shopt -u huponexit instead but their bash version
# 1.14.7(1) is too old
#
# Ksh does not recognize the SIG prefix in front of a signal name
if [ $VMWARE_DEBUG = 'yes' ]; then
(trap '' HUP; $func $@)
else
(trap '' HUP; $func $@) /dev/null 21
fi
if [ $? -gt 0 ]; then
vmware_failed
echo
return 1
fi
vmware_success
echo
return 0
}
# Execute a macro in the background
vmware_bg_exec() {
local msg=$1 # IN
local func=$2 # IN
shift 2
if [ $VMWARE_DEBUG = 'yes' ]; then
# Force synchronism when debugging
vmware_exec $msg $func $@
else
echo -n ' '$msg' (background)'
# On Caldera 2.2, SIGHUP is sent to all our children when this script exits
# I wanted to use shopt -u huponexit instead but their bash version
# 1.14.7(1) is too old
#
# Ksh does not recognize the SIG prefix in front of a signal name
(trap '' HUP; $func $@) 21 | logger -t 'VMware[init]' -p daemon.err
vmware_success
echo
return 0
fi
}
# This is a function in case a future product name contains language-specific
# escape characters.
vmware_product_name() {
echo 'VMware Tools'
exit 0
}
# This is a function in case a future product contains language-specific
# escape characters.
vmware_product() {
echo 'tools-for-linux'
exit 0
}
is_dsp()
{
# This is the current way of indicating it is part of a
# distribution-specific install. Currently only applies to Tools.
[ -e $vmdb_answer_LIBDIR/dsp ]
}
# They are a lot of small utility programs to create temporary files in a
# secure way, but none of them is standard. So I wrote this
make_tmp_dir() {
local dirname=$1 # OUT
local prefix=$2 # IN
local tmp
local serial
local loop
tmp
Problem Installing VMWare Tools in Debian Testing/Jessie
I have installed both Debian 64 bit 7.1.0 and Debian 64 bit Testing in separate VMWare Player v-5.0.2 on my 64 bit laptop to serve as test beds before messing with my Debian production computer. I successfully installed VMWare Tools 9.2.3 build-1031360 on 7.1.0. However when I attempted the installation of the Tools on the Debian Testing installation the installation failed. I managed to correct the earlier problems, apparently lack of required libraries, but the installation still failed. I have attached the log file to this message in the hope that someone can point me towards a solution. Thanks in advance. Script started on Sat 20 Jul 2013 09:22:19 AM EDT root@inga:/home/computation/Downloads/vmware-tools-distrib# perl vmware-install.pl A previous installation of VMware Tools has been detected. The previous installation was made by the tar installer (version 4). Keeping the tar4 installer database format. You have a version of VMware Tools installed. Continuing this install will first uninstall the currently installed version. Do you wish to continue? (yes/no) [yes] Uninstalling the tar installation of VMware Tools. Stopping services for VMware Tools Stopping VMware Tools services in the virtual machine: Guest operating system daemon: [71G done VMware User Agent (vmware-user):[71G done Blocking file system:[71G done Unmounting HGFS shares:[71G done Guest filesystem driver:[71G done /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1090: local: ': bad variable name /etc/init.d/vmware-tools: 1187: local: ': bad variable name update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing Stopping Thinprint services in the virtual machine: Stopping Virtual Printing daemon:[71G done update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing This program previously created the file /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib64/libconf/etc/pango/pango.modules, and was about to remove it. Somebody else apparently did it already. File /etc/vmware-tools/vmware-user.desktop is backed up to /etc/vmware-tools/vmware-user.desktop.old.3. File /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib64/libconf/etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules is backed up to /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib64/libconf/etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules.old.3. File /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib64/libconf/etc/fonts/fonts.conf is backed up to /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib64/libconf/etc/fonts/fonts.conf.old.1. File /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib64/libconf/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders is backed up to /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib64/libconf/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders.old.3. This program previously created the file /usr/lib/vmware-tools/libconf/etc/gtk-2.0/gdk-pixbuf.loaders, and was about to remove it. Somebody else apparently did it already. This program previously created the file /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib64/libconf/etc/pango/pangorc, and was about to remove it. Somebody else apparently did it already. This program previously created the file /usr/lib/vmware-tools/libconf/etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules, and was about to remove it. Somebody else apparently did it already. This program previously created the file /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib64/libconf/etc/pango/pangox.aliases, and was about to remove it. Somebody else apparently did it already. This program previously created the directory /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib/libtpvmlpd2.so, and was about to remove it. Somebody else apparently did it already. This program previously created the directory /usr/lib/vmware-tools/lib/libtpvmgp.so, and was about to remove it. Somebody else apparently did it already. File /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is backed up to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules.old.1. update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.9-1-amd64 Warning: LBA32 addressing assumed Added Linux * Skipping /vmlinuz.old One warning was issued. The removal of VMware Tools 9.2.3 build-1031360 for Linux completed successfully. Installing VMware Tools. In which directory do you want to install the binary files? [/usr/bin] What is the directory that contains the init directories (rc0.d/ to rc6.d/)? [/etc] What is the directory that contains the init scripts? [/etc/init.d] In which directory do you want to install the daemon files? [/usr/sbin] In which directory do you want to install the library files? [/usr/lib/vmware-tools] In which directory do you want to install the documentation files? [/usr/share/doc/vmware-tools] The path /usr/share/doc/vmware-tools does not exist currently. This program is going to create it, including needed parent directories. Is this what you want? [yes] The installation of VMware Tools 9.2.3 build-1031360 for Linux completed successfully. You can decide to remove this software from your system at any time by invoking the following command: /usr/bin/vmware-uninstall-tools.pl. Before running VMware Tools for the first time, you need to configure it by invoking the following command: /usr/bin/vmware-config-tools.pl. Do you want this
Re: Deleting chromium DNS cache entry doesn't seem to help.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 04:43:07PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:57:14 +, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:53:01 -0400, staticsafe wrote: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 08:39:10PM +, Hendrik Boom wrote: For some reason, chromium seems to have got it stuck in its head that slashdot,org is at 69.165.131.134. At least, when I try to browse to slashdot.org using chromium, the displayed contents are identical to the contents at 16.165.131.134, which contains my personal web site. Firefox and chrome have no trouble reaching the real site. And I can read slashdot just fine on chromium if I enter the IP number 216.34.181.45 instead of the domain name. So I'm guessing that chromium has got that IP number stuck in some internal DNS cache. It now looks as if chromium's DNS cache may not be the problem. Chromium must be getting slashdot's IP address from somewhere else -- somewhere that firefox and ping don't access. How can I get it to forget it? -- hendrik Navigate to chrome://net-internals/#dns and press the Clear host cache button. After navigating there from chromium and pressing the button, slashdot.org doesn't appear in the listing of the cache entries on that page. But the misbehaviour still persists, even after a reboot. And firefox and chrome and ping still reach the right site. And when I go to chrome://net-internals/#dns on chrome itself, it tells mem it *does* have slashdot.org in its cache, with the right IP number. The cache chromium reveals with chrome://net-internals/#dns clearly has different contents from the one that chrome reveals -- which confirms that they have different caches. And even after browsing to slashdot.org in chromium and getting to the wrong place, going to chrome://net-internals/#dns with chromium still indicates that slashdot.org is not in the cache. So I'm suspecting that chrome://net-internals/#dns may not reeveal the real cache in chromium. So where *is* chromium getting this misinformation? Just for reference, here's my /etc/resolv.conf file: # Generated by NetworkManager domain topoi.pooq.com search topoi.pooq.com nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 -- hendrik Source - http://superuser.com/a/203702 It's been most of a week now, and the problem persists. Chromium still insists on going to the website normally known as topoi.pooq.com when I request slashdot.org. Neither iceweasel nor chrome do this; both find the proper slashdot.org. Even ping finds the proper site. The problem presumably started a week ago when there was a temporary networking problem, but only chromium seems to have fixated on the wrong IP address. I have followed the procedure for clearing chromium's dns cache. When I look at the cache contents, slashdot isn't in it. Does chromium have another, secret cache? And it appears that I do not have nscd running, or even installed. I'm starting to think of shuttering chromium forever, assuming I can copy its bookmarks elsewhere, say, to chrome. ---end quoted text--- Why would you need to copy your bookmarks? Presumably you used bookmark sync with Chromium, thus they will be available to Google-Chrome when you login into your Google account the 1st time in Chrome. Have you tried using a different DNS server? Try the Google DNS servers, Google will give you their address -- I don't have them handy at the moment. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130719104526.ga4...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
What's with the blue overlining in text consoles? [SOLVED]
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 11:10:18 -0400 (EDT), commandl...@telenet.be wrote: On 13/07/13 21:55, Stephen Powell wrote: Something strange has started happening recently. For a long time I have used ISO-8859-1 as my character mapping in text consoles. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and I have had no difficulty, except when using the ssh client to connect to a remote system which uses UTF-8. The box-drawing characters sent by the remote system did not look right under these conditions. To solve this problem, I switched my local system to use UTF-8. Now the box-drawing characters sent by the remote system look right when displayed by my local ssh client. However, I recently began noticing that all blue fields are now overlined. For example, the lynx web browser, when used in a text console (vt1-vt6), displays emphasized fields (the em.../em html tag) as blue overlined, when it used to display them simply as blue. I can live with that, I suppose. But what really bothers me is when I use the c3270 text-mode 3270 terminal emulator to logon to a mainframe. All blue fields are now overlined! This is driving me batty! I tried searching the world wide web using search words of blue overlining UTF-8 but did not obtain any useful results. Does anyone know the cause of this? Does anyone know the cure? Is this a bug? If so, in what package is the bug? The problem does not seem to occur in a Gnome Terminal window, only on a text console. My system locale is en_US.UTF-8. I am running an up-to-date Jessie system on i386 architecture. Never heard of something similar to start with. Few guesses. * Terminal Emulation? Check what happens if you switch from say xterm to linux to vt100 to ... * Character map error? Might be for some reason the charmap is damaged? Did you edit them at one point? Of would someone else have access to them? I'd suggest you make a backup of the current files, then proceed with tests. If it still fails proceed to reinstall the packages. Then check again... Do you mix the repo with Wheezy or unstable? This might at times cause quite unique weirdness. Thank you for your reply, but please don't top post. I took the liberty of reformatting this post in the bottom posting / interleaving style. Well, after a lot of trial-and-error experimentation, I have found the culprit. It's the video BIOS. This video BIOS supports eleven hardware text modes, as documented below: hex mode id screen size character cell (vga=ask) (text columns x size (horiz pixels text rows)x vert pixels) F00 80x25 9x16 F01 80x50 9x8 F02 80x43 8x8 F03 80x28 9x14 F05 80x30 9x16 F06 80x34 9x14 F07 80x60 9x8 121 100x259x16 122 100x309x16 123 132x258x16 133 132x448x8 Of these eleven hardware text video modes, ten of them work fine. That is, blue fields appear without overlining. One of them is defective. Mode id 0x122, for 100 text columns by 30 text rows, displays blue fields with overlining. And that's the one I was using. Coincidentally, I switched from 80x34 to 100x30 shortly after I switched from ISO-8859-1 character mapping to UTF-8 character mapping. The overlining of blue fields had nothing to do with the switch to UTF-8. It just appeared to be related because the video mode switch occurred at about the same time. The video BIOS apparently does not set up the VGA registers correctly for video mode id 0x122. But it does for all the other text video modes. The solution (actually a circumvention) is to choose a different video mode. Problem solved. For those of you who are interested, here is the information I have been able to obtain about my video chipset and BIOS: The video chipset is listed by lspci -nn as follows: 05:03.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Rage XL PCI [1002:4752] (rev 27) The video chip is built-in to the motherboard; so it's video BIOS is built-in to the motherboard too. /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows the following information about the video BIOS: MACH64(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000 ... MACH64(0): VESA BIOS detected MACH64(0): VESA VBE Version 2.0 MACH64(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 8128 kB MACH64(0): VESA VBE OEM: ATI MACH64 MACH64(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0 MACH64(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: ATI Technologies Inc. MACH64(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: MACH64GM MACH64(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: 01.00 -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive
What's with the blue overlining in text consoles?
Something strange has started happening recently. For a long time I have used ISO-8859-1 as my character mapping in text consoles. dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and I have had no difficulty, except when using the ssh client to connect to a remote system which uses UTF-8. The box-drawing characters sent by the remote system did not look right under these conditions. To solve this problem, I switched my local system to use UTF-8. Now the box-drawing characters sent by the remote system look right when displayed by my local ssh client. However, I recently began noticing that all blue fields are now overlined. For example, the lynx web browser, when used in a text console (vt1-vt6), displays emphasized fields (the em.../em html tag) as blue overlined, when it used to display them simply as blue. I can live with that, I suppose. But what really bothers me is when I use the c3270 text-mode 3270 terminal emulator to logon to a mainframe. All blue fields are now overlined! This is driving me batty! I tried searching the world wide web using search words of blue overlining UTF-8 but did not obtain any useful results. Does anyone know the cause of this? Does anyone know the cure? Is this a bug? If so, in what package is the bug? The problem does not seem to occur in a Gnome Terminal window, only on a text console. My system locale is en_US.UTF-8. I am running an up-to-date Jessie system on i386 architecture. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1182082504.2151649.1373745348517.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Starting Google Chrome - resend
On Sun, Jul 07, 2013 at 01:13:07AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Sunday 07 July 2013 00:31:41 Charlie wrote: On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 22:36:59 +0100 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com sent this: On Saturday 06 July 2013 22:24:34 Stephen Allen wrote: I have it working here fine on Debian's Chromium. Does it matter? Lisi I think it must Lisi, because someone posted about a problem with Chrome and the discussion was taken from that to Chromium not being nearly the same and then about things not working in Chromium or Chrome and so it continued. So I imagine it does matter. Yes, Charlie. I agree. I had been involved in the discussion and agree that that discussion matters. And most people were saying that they found flash-plugin-nonfree adequate, with which I did not disagree. It was not adequate for me, it was for them. Worth establishing. And it may well have been my fault that I did not find it satisfactory. Quote from Stephen What do you mean exactly? It just does, if you have it installed. You must go to Adobe's website and install it first of course. I have it working here fine on Debian's Chromium. /quote But Stephen appeared to me to want confrontation for confrontation's sake, and it was that with which I was disagreeing. Of course I know about having to get it and install it before it would work! It appeared to me as if he was being deliberately insulting. So I repeat: Does it matter that Stephen, clever Stephen, has it working to his satisfaction, so assumes that I am too thick to know that something is not going to work unless I first download and install it? I still say not! Lisi ---end quoted text--- Sorry, no confrontation and wasn't trolling. Flash is on it's last legs, and I'm just left wondering what you expect. shrug No worries. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130707112722.ga5...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Starting Google Chrome - resend
On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 07:53:15AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 06 July 2013 01:23:54 green wrote: chromium does not include flash, which is non-free and available via the flashplugin-nonfree package. Yes, but I couldn't get it to work with Chromium. Lisi ---end quoted text--- What do you mean exactly? It just does, if you have it installed. You must go to Adobe's website and install it first of course. I have it working here fine on Debian's Chromium. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130706212434.ga4...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Starting Google Chrome - resend
On Sat, Jul 06, 2013 at 10:36:59PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 06 July 2013 22:24:34 Stephen Allen wrote: I have it working here fine on Debian's Chromium. Does it matter? Lisi ---end quoted text--- Well, apparently it does, you posted asking. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130706235915.ga4...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Operation not permitted error when using su
Sun, 30 Jun 2013 02:09:35 -0400 (EDT), Bob Proulx wrote: Stephen Powell wrote: ...logged in as root... su barney vi stuff Error: messages not turned on: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted The above is basically a normal result of the current environment. At another level it is a bug in nvi. I suggest that you understand it and then ignore it. Or jump into the nvi code and fix it. There are two issues. First is that root needs to protect itself against attacks against its smart terminal. Therefore messages? will be off by default for root. What does that mean? It means the ability of processes to send text to the terminal. Processes may be a biff mail notification program saying you have mail. Or it may be a user trying to write(1) (old Unix IM program) to your terminal. Or it may be a local user (think student on a multiuser university system) trying to crack into your terminal by sending smart terminal escape sequences. (Most terminals have those disabled these days for security surrounding this issue too. Because even for non-root smart terminal attacks is still an issue.) Non-Root User: $ ls -l /dev/pts/23 crw--w 1 rwp tty 136, 23 Jun 29 19:02 /dev/pts/23 Root User: $ ls -l /dev/pts/11 crw--- 1 root tty 136, 0 Jun 29 19:00 /dev/pts/11 Or in the old days on other systems I recall it being world writable by other too. But that may be an incorrect memory. For root the standard is that no one else can write(1) to the terminal. (And probably talk and others too.) See the man page for mesg(1) for a small amount of additional information. It was common in the old days to see mesg n in root's dot profile file. man mesg So back to your problem... You are starting from a /dev/pts/X that is owned by root and is not otherwise writable. That is good. Safe from various attacks. That is what you want. But then the second issue comes into play. You are using su to switch user to a non-root user. After you have switched to that user the pty hasn't changed. That is intentional due to the security risk nature of root. But it means that the non-root user processes can't make changes to the tty device. Now is where the nvi bug/misfeature comes into play. There really isn't any reason for nvi to need to touch the pty. In my opinion it should do nothing to it by default. Emacs doesn't touch the pty. If you try your test case with emacs there will be no error printed. Nor with vim. This is only a problem in the nvi program. Why? Because it is trying to do too much. What the nvi program is trying to do is to turn off messages to the terminal while it is running. It is trying to prevent other local users from using write(1) to you while you are editing. man nvi mesg [on] Permit messages from other users. In order to prevent messages from other users it tries to run chmod on your pty device. This can be seen with strace. $ strace -v -e chmod -o /tmp/nvi.strace.out nvi .bashrc $ cat /tmp/nvi.strace.out chmod(/dev/pts/0, 020620) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) chmod(/var/tmp/vi.recover/vi.ryTzPt, 0700) = 0 chmod(/dev/pts/0, 020600) = -1 EPERM (Operation not% permitted) And those chmod's are the source of the messages that you are seeing. The only way to fix this is to patch the nvi source code to avoid the chmod calls. Basically I ignore the errors. The file is edited successfully anyway. It is just noise. Annoying. But since I know what is happening and I only do that a very few times I just ignore it. This would be a reasonable issue to submit as a bug against nvi. However there are worse problems with nvi. See Bug#497342 which has been around for years which is much more annoying. Filing bugs is easy but if no one is around to fix them then it doesn't do much good. But this is a valid bug in my opinion. Though much less of a problem than Bug#497342 which is very annoying. Especially since the previous version 1.79 of nvi didn't have it. But that is a different story. Hope this explanation helps! Bob Thank you, Bob, for that detailed explanation. I'm not starting out as root though. I'm starting out as fred (Applications - Utilities - Terminal, in the latest version of Gnome under Jessie, while logged in to the graphical desktop as fred), then doing a direct su to barney. (Those user ids were chosen for illustrative purposes only, they are not the actual user ids that I am using.) The basis of your explanation is sound though. barney does not have the authority to issue chmod against a file (/dev/pts/0) owned by fred. Even if the file permissions themselves gave barney permission to write to the file (crw-rw-rw-), that's different from permission to change the file *attributes*. When doing an su to root the problem does not occur because root has ex-officio permission to issue
Re: How do I pad files in Linux?
On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 02:59:40 -0400 (EDT), Urs Thuermann wrote: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1 count=64 file Thanks, Urs. I haven't tried this, but it looks like this should work too. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/548375498.2015945.1372936609846.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Help - Gnome Died After Update/Upgrade
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 05:10:33PM +0200, Steven Post wrote: On Tue, 2013-07-02 at 07:59 -0700, Mark Phillips wrote: I have been running Debian testing on my laptop for several years. I performed a routine update/upgrade on Sunday, and I seem to have lost gnome. At first, I could not log in, but I got that fixed. However, when I log in, all I get is my wallpaper. No favorites on the left, no window docks (not sure of the terminology here) on the right, no taskbar at the top, etc. Just a wall paper. I also get an error message No system tray detected, unable to start. However, I traced that back to an hp printer service, so I don't think it is relevant. I have tried uninstalling/installing gnome, but no change. I tried creating an new user and logging in with that user, and I get the same situation - but the default wall paper and not my personal one. I have run several update/upgrade and update/dist-upgrades since Sunday, and no change. I have looked through the 'net to find solutions, and I am not getting anywhere. [...] Multiple people seem to have this issue, including me. The problem is solved in gnome-shell from unstable, you can either wait until it migrates to testing (in 1 or 2 days I guess, judging from the QA page [1]) or you can install from unstable with aptitude install -t unstable gnome-shell (no quotes). Make sure you have unstable in your sources.list file. Just be careful not to upgrade your whole system to unstable, but only that package. Regards, Steven ---end quoted text--- FYI Updated my Testing/Jessie laptop this morning. It appears Gnome-Shell is now launching correctly with menus etc. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130703234936.ga12...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Gnome3 HS after update
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 12:59:51PM +0200, Jean-Marc wrote: Hi everybody, I updated my jessie and Gnome3 does not start anymore. Actually, it starts but I never got any menu. Do other people got the same ? -- Jean-Marc jean-m...@6jf.be ---end quoted text--- Yup same here, installed Cinnamon until things are sorted. Actually enjoying the improvements to Cinnamon since last used. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130702115501.ga8...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: [SOLVED] Gnome3 HS after update
On Tue, Jul 02, 2013 at 01:15:48PM +0800, Stephane Duchesne wrote: Noticed the same Gnome3 behaviour in Jessie. Gnome started but without statusbar and without window decorations. Gnome Classic works fine. Expect Jessie to be a bumpy ride, #gnome-next on oftc suggests. Especially if you are running Gnome, and at least until all 3.8.x components have percolated into Jessie, I reckon. Gnome-shell in Sid is now 3.4.2-10 and working absolutely fine, indeed. I might stick with Sid for a while. There's still quite a few crucial components to go: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.8-status.html Seems it is all coming together nicely, though. ---end quoted text--- Thanks for the update -- Using Cinnamon until 3.8 percolates to Jessie. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130702115707.gb8...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
How do I pad files in Linux?
I have a need to pad a binary file with some character (probably a null character) so that its total length is a multiple of some number. For example, I have a file called kernel.debian, whose size is 6319616 bytes. I need to pad it with nulls until its length is a multiple of 80. The next higher multiple of 80 is 6319680, which can be obtained by padding the file with 64 null characters. In CMS, the FBLOCK CMS Pipelines stage will do the trick. For example, PIPE KERNEL DEBIAN A1 | FBLOCK 80 00 | KERNEL1 DEBIAN A1 F This will create an output file with fixed-length 80-byte records, padded as necessary at the end with null characters, so that all records are exactly 80 bytes long. I am looking for a way to do this padding in Linux. A search of the internet using the keywords pad file Linux did not seem to produce any useful results. Does anyone know how to accomplish this? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/173555076.1944854.1372523652842.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: How do I pad files in Linux? (SOLVED)
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 13:19:22 -0400 (EDT), Tixy wrote: On Sat, 2013-06-29 at 12:34 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: I have a need to pad a binary file with some character (probably a null character) so that its total length is a multiple of some number. For example, I have a file called kernel.debian, whose size is 6319616 bytes. I need to pad it with nulls until its length is a multiple of 80. The next higher multiple of 80 is 6319680, which can be obtained by padding the file with 64 null characters. In CMS, the FBLOCK CMS Pipelines stage will do the trick. For example, PIPE KERNEL DEBIAN A1 | FBLOCK 80 00 | KERNEL1 DEBIAN A1 F This will create an output file with fixed-length 80-byte records, padded as necessary at the end with null characters, so that all records are exactly 80 bytes long. I am looking for a way to do this padding in Linux. A search of the internet using the keywords pad file Linux did not seem to produce any useful results. Does anyone know how to accomplish this? truncate -s %80 FILENAME Will pad with zero's to round size up to a multiple of 80. Thank you, Tixy, that's exactly what I wanted to know! I knew that there must be a way to do this, but I couldn't figure out how. By the way, I also tried the command apropos pad But it didn't yield any useful results either. truncate Who would have thought? That would appear to be the opposite of what I want to do. I want to pad, not truncate. But truncate can also pad. How about that! Thanks again! -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1952171005.1945999.1372529697239.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: How do I pad files in Linux?
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:23:51 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: On 6/29/2013 12:19 PM, Tixy wrote: truncate -s %80 FILENAME Will pad with zero's to round size up to a multiple of 80. That'll teach me to read all posts before replying. Question: Does this append ASCII zeros to the end of the file, or nulls? Stephen asked for nulls, and you state zero's above. It appends hex zeros (0x00), or nulls. Also known as ^@ characters. The ASCII zero is 0x30. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/75239159.1946418.1372533440767.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Operation not permitted error when using su
I have discovered a problem recently when using su to switch to a user other than root on a Gnome Terminal session. Let's say I login to the graphical desktop using a userid of fred. When I launch a Gnome Terminal session, I'm automatically logged in as fred. Now, let's suppose I switch to user barney by using su barney After entering the password for user barney, my userid changes to barney in that session. (whoami reports barney.) I then change to barney's home directory with cd, issued with no operands. Now, certain commands will cause error messages to the terminal. For example, if I issue vi stuff Then exit vi with :q, I am back to another shell prompt, but there is an error message on the screen which looks like this: Error: messages not turned on: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted (vi is actually nvi on my system.) This problem does not occur in a virtual terminal (vt1-vt6). It also does not occur if I switch to root, instead of a non-root user. A search of the internet seemed to suggest that the problem was the presence of biff y in a bash profile. However, I have looked, and I cannot find biff y specified in any bash-related file. (I am running jessie.) In fact, the biff package is not even installed. Ideas anyone? -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/402356644.1946777.1372536041381.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Operation not permitted error when using su
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:07:54 -0400 (EDT), David Guntner wrote: Stephen Powell grabbed a keyboard and wrote: Error: messages not turned on: /dev/pts/0: Operation not permitted (vi is actually nvi on my system.) This problem does not occur in a virtual terminal (vt1-vt6). It also does not occur if I switch to root, instead of a non-root user. A search of the internet seemed to suggest that the problem was the presence of biff y in a bash profile. However, I have looked, and I cannot find biff y specified in any bash-related file. (I am running jessie.) In fact, the biff package is not even installed. Ideas anyone? Since it's complaining about messages not being turned on, try mesg y and see if that helps. I just tried that. mesg y produced no output and no error messages, but a subsequent execution of vi produced the same error on exit as before. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/644172295.1946934.1372537018465.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Operation not permitted error when using su
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 16:26:56 -0400 (EDT), David Guntner wrote: No, it won't output a message when you set it y or n. Not sure I understand why vi is doing something that needs a messages channel turned on. And it's kind of hard to guess without seeing actual output. :-) You said you had done some su commands before invoking vi, if I recall correctly. Did you try doing the mesg y command at the initial login point, before su'ing to the user where you're trying to run vi? Yes, I tried that too. No difference. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/7449658.1947240.1372538833179.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: the continuing disappointment of Debian 7
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:07:14 -0400 (EDT), Jeff Shearer wrote: Iceweasel crashes all the time and cannot play flash I'm sorry things aren't working well for you, but that has not been my experience. I'm running jessie now, but I was running wheezy for a long time, and your experience does not match my experience. For me, iceweasel never crashed (except for a power failure, which is hardly Debian's fault), and flash played just fine. (Of course, I was using flash-plugin-nonfree, not the default free player.) -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1918330956.1947914.1372544285762.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: Operation not permitted error when using su
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:39:32 -0400 (EDT), Chris Bannister wrote: Is there a difference if you su - barney ? No, there is no difference. I still get the same error. -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1462006945.1948292.1372547161473.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: GNOME 3 non-responsive?
On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 05:02:39PM +0100, MRH wrote: Hi, I run Debian wheezy/sid. After recent updates (resulting in mix of GNOME 3.4 / 3.8 the new gnome shell has became unresponsive. I mean I can log in, but then there is no top panel, no window top frames (so I cannot minimise / close windows), I cannot access windows / activities. To log off I need to use Alt-F2 and run gnome-session-quit, or just kill a session from a console. gnome-classic works though. Anyone else has experienced that problem, is it 'fixable' at the moment, or do I need to wait for some further sid updates? PS. I know, I run sid, so I'm not winging, but would be nice if there was a solution :) Kind regards, Michal ---end quoted text--- You probably were too hasty to do the upgrade. FWIU the transition to Gnome 3.8 is ongoing and probably not finished. Wait a few days and try again. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130624092202.ga30...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Debian Testing/Jessie
I have installed 64 bit Testing on my laptop in an Oracle VB as a test bed. I used Debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso Binary 1 20130623-09:47 and installed the linux-image-3.9.1-amd6 kernel and all available drivers. The installation went very smoothly, but when I ran dpkg --add-architecture i386 as root, although I did not get any errors or warnings, it did not appear in Synaptic when I rebooted the system. I need some i386 libraries in order to be able to use some of my computational chemistry programs. I would appreciate any pointers in the right direction to solve this problem. Thanks in advance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130624115501.2734c...@inga.att.net
Re: Debian Testing/Jessie
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:10:49 +0100 Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 11:55:01AM -0400, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: I have installed 64 bit Testing on my laptop in an Oracle VB as a test bed. I used Debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso Binary 1 20130623-09:47 and installed the linux-image-3.9.1-amd6 kernel and all available drivers. The installation went very smoothly, but when I ran dpkg --add-architecture i386 as root, although I did not get any errors or warnings, it did not appear in Synaptic when I rebooted the system. You didn't need to reboot, but you do need to update your package lists (whatever the Synaptic equivalent of 'apt-get update' is). Thank for your answer. Actually, I reload the package lists before running. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130624125926.38e55...@inga.att.net
Fw: Debian Testing/Jessie
Begin forwarded message: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:55:01 -0400 From: Stephen P. Molnar s.mol...@sbcglobal.net To: debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Debian Testing/Jessie I have installed 64 bit Testing on my laptop in an Oracle VB as a test bed. I used Debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso Binary 1 20130623-09:47 and installed the linux-image-3.9.1-amd6 kernel and all available drivers. The installation went very smoothly, but when I ran dpkg --add-architecture i386 as root, although I did not get any errors or warnings, it did not appear in Synaptic when I rebooted the system. I need some i386 libraries in order to be able to use some of my computational chemistry programs. I would appreciate any pointers in the right direction to solve this problem. Thanks in advance. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130624115501.2734c...@inga.att.net Wonder of wonders, suddenly I have multi-architecture! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130624133319.4f6f6...@inga.att.net
Re: Debian is the best!
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 11:09:27 -0400 (EDT), Dirk wrote: how does grub boot a kernel better than lilo? this is all [expletive deleted]... the linux community is now full of people who speak like some marketing shills... freedesktop reinvents windows badly.. and now people are talking themselves into that they need features /before/ the OS kernel has been loaded... so much [expletive deleted] fail... if i was younger and still more caring it would really hurt to see this [expletive deleted]... we live in the age of aggressive reputation management now... forums and mailing lists have become cancers.. [expletive deleted] you all I understand your frustration. However, the use of foul language on Debian mailing lists is prohibited. Please refrain from using it. See http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct If you have had it with grub2 and wish to switch back to lilo, see my lilo web page at http://users.wowway.com/~zlinuxman/lilo.htm -- .''`. Stephen Powell : :' : `. `'` `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1992172927.1807993.1371770150034.javamail.r...@md01.wow.synacor.com
Re: shutdown and restart menu item disappeared from user menu
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 04:38:40AM -0400, A Fascilla wrote: Kailash wrote: You can install gnome-shell-extensions and you should have the power off option available. https://extensions.gnome.org/ Now I have understood it is the Alternative Status Menu extension https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/5/alternative-status-menu/ and can be enable or disabled from the link above or from https://extensions.gnome.org/local/ (I write this here so that who has the same problem can easily find how to make the change.) I have to conclude that I had it always been installed (since transition from squeeze) and I had never realized that what I see was not the normal plain gnome. I am pretty sure I have not turned it off, so it is a little strange that the menu changed (the only thing I remember I have done was to use the suspend function, while I usually use the shutdown). I have struggled to look in the gnome options, but with no luck. And now I can understand the reason: it is an extension not an option. Thank you very much, Kailash, this solve the mystery ... and many thanks to Antti too If you install the Advanced Settings panel (Google for it re Gnome-Shell) you can enable/disable all installed Gnome-Shell extensions. I love Gnome-Shell -- Didn't at first, but it grows on you. :) Sincerely, Andrea Fascilla -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130609113811.ga10...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Remove Evolution
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 02:42:40PM +0100, Joe wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2013 20:14:49 -040 I use aptitude from my shell, just not interactively. ;) Here's a tip I discovered yesterday, after having yet another go at making sense of the idiocies it was proposing. I use LibreOffice, for example, but it wanted to install OpenOffice, some of a total of 125 new packages I neither want nor need. If you've never actually used aptitude interactively in anger, your New Packages number may be large, possibly tens of thousands, and this appears to be the source of its insanity. Go to the Action menu, and Forget New Packages. Suddenly, my aptitude was sane and got on with the job in hand, which was just as well as a new Synaptic had started freezing X, and I really wasn't keen on fixing the current log-jam with apt-get. This is sid, by the way, which is currently an interesting place to be. I bet -- Used to run SID myself once upon a time. Thanks for the tip. :) -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130528102526.ga17...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
Re: Handbrake Installation removes a lot
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:12:04PM -0500, green wrote: Stephen Allen wrote at 2013-05-26 20:00 -0500: Was about to install Handbrake for Wheezy, but stopped when I saw the list of packages that were going to be removed. Screengrab here on my public dropbox fldr: http://goo.gl/Oow9T What the hell, kind of strange it wants to remove my chat clients and this other stuff. Expected behaviour? Thanks. Yes, if you are using handbrake from experimental. Aptitude's interactive dependency resolver is very useful for this. You can mark handbrake as manually installed, then press `e` and eg. reject (`r`) the proposed removal of the cheese package and `.` to go to the next suggested resolution. Though probably handbrake has some dependency not compatible with installed packages, so there may be not acceptable solution without finding a backport or compiling yourself. http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s02s04.html Damn! Forgot that I had experimental in my sources. Thanks Green, I'll remove experimental and retry. Sorry for the noise. -- Cheers, Stephen, Toronto My Google+ Profile | http://goo.gl/JbQsq -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130528102926.gb17...@thunkpad.gateway.2wire.net
