Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-05 Thread Joe
On Sat, 04 Oct 2014 16:52:40 -0400
Intense Red intns...@golgotha.net wrote:

 
I didn't catch the first part of this thread, but I agree with
 you. What I have to wonder about is what is meant by compatible with
 Debian.
 

I think: 'able to work as a standard USB storage device', and not
necessarily rely on Windows media functions and auxiliary files. We had
intermittent trouble with 'unknown files' until I discovered the Clip
could do either, and could also be set to 'auto'. It isn't now.

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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 11:37:48PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 Thanks for all the helpful answers.  I have ordered one of these:
 http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005LFSYZ2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8psc=1
 
 I shall add a microsdcard at some point to increase the memory.

That's exactly what I use. Enjoy!


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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-04 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Sat, Oct 04, 2014 at 03:19:26PM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
 There was a thread about MP3 players a bit back, and one in particular found 
 favour.  But my memory, Google-foo, archive-foo have all failed me.  Can any 
 kind person remind me/recommend a suitable inexpensive MP3 player for me to 
 take on holiday. 
 
 I want to be able to load it easily frorm/with a Debian computer, and I don't 
 want to spend exorbitant amounts.  It must remember where it got to, and I 
 want to be able to select my track/book/whatever.  The very cheap one I was 
 given last year restarted at the beginning every time it had been turned off. 
  
 Much as I liked the first track, I got very tired of it.

The Sandisk Sansa family is quite good[1]. I personally use the Sansa
Clip+, but have used the old Fuze in the past. While they work out of
the box, many of them support the free alternative firmware Rockbox
for extra goodnessp[2].

Kumar

[1]: http://www.sandisk.com/products/music-video-players/
[2]: http://www.rockbox.com/
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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland




 On 4 Oct 2014, at 16:13, Kumar Appaiah a.ku...@alumni.iitm.ac.in wrote:
 
 The Sandisk Sansa family is quite good[1]. I personally use the Sansa
 Clip+, but have used the old Fuze in the past. While they work out of
 the box, many of them support the free alternative firmware Rockbox
 for extra goodnessp[2].

Seconded.

Avoid the fuze+ or the clip sport, but the fuze (v2), clip+ and clip zip are 
excellent players and are fully usable from debian. If you get a large capacity 
microsd card, put a fat32 file system on it to use with the sansas. I use a 64G 
but I believe 128G are compatible too.

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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-04 Thread David Gonzalez
I'm using Sansa Clip+ and it's been great. Additionally I also changed 
the firmware to Rockbox (http://www.rockbox.org/) which has been a 
wonderful experience.



On 10/04/2014 01:11 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:





On 4 Oct 2014, at 16:13, Kumar Appaiah a.ku...@alumni.iitm.ac.in wrote:

The Sandisk Sansa family is quite good[1]. I personally use the Sansa
Clip+, but have used the old Fuze in the past. While they work out of
the box, many of them support the free alternative firmware Rockbox
for extra goodnessp[2].

Seconded.

Avoid the fuze+ or the clip sport, but the fuze (v2), clip+ and clip zip are 
excellent players and are fully usable from debian. If you get a large capacity 
microsd card, put a fat32 file system on it to use with the sansas. I use a 64G 
but I believe 128G are compatible too.




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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-04 Thread Joe
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 15:19:26 +0100
Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

 There was a thread about MP3 players a bit back, and one in
 particular found favour.  But my memory, Google-foo, archive-foo have
 all failed me.  Can any kind person remind me/recommend a suitable
 inexpensive MP3 player for me to take on holiday. 
 
For which value of 'inexpensive'?

 I want to be able to load it easily frorm/with a Debian computer, and
 I don't want to spend exorbitant amounts.  It must remember where it
 got to, and I want to be able to select my track/book/whatever.  The
 very cheap one I was given last year restarted at the beginning every
 time it had been turned off. Much as I liked the first track, I got
 very tired of it.
 

I don't think you'll get a decent one for less than about £25. My wife
needed to move on from 'cheap' last year, and we settled on one of the
Sandisk Clip series, 4GB plus microSD slot.

Two tips (that probably work for any player): if there is a choice of
USB modes, you want MSC, not MTP. The latter is aimed at Windows Media
Player users and uses auxiliary files. MSC is Mass Storage Class which
treats the player as an external USB drive, which is what you want.

Set the region to Rest Of The World, not Europe, or you won't be able
to hear it. The EU has somewhat restrictive ideas about noise levels.

OK, three tips: make sure the MP3 tags carry artist and album
information, as the player uses these rather than file and directory
names. If the MP3s have come from a non-standard source, they may not
have tags, or not the ones you need.

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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-04 Thread John Holland
Its More Like 200$, But The fiio X3 is very nice.plays audiophile formats like 
FLAC as well as mp3.  Fiio is a Chinese company.
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To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

 On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 15:19:26 +0100
 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:

 There was a thread about MP3 players a bit back, and one in
 particular found favour.  But my memory, Google-foo, archive-foo have
 all failed me.  Can any kind person remind me/recommend a suitable
 inexpensive MP3 player for me to take on holiday.

 For which value of 'inexpensive'?

 I want to be able to load it easily frorm/with a Debian computer, and
 I don't want to spend exorbitant amounts.  It must remember where it
 got to, and I want to be able to select my track/book/whatever.  The
 very cheap one I was given last year restarted at the beginning every
 time it had been turned off. Much as I liked the first track, I got
 very tired of it.


 I don't think you'll get a decent one for less than about £25. My wife
 needed to move on from 'cheap' last year, and we settled on one of the
 Sandisk Clip series, 4GB plus microSD slot.

 Two tips (that probably work for any player): if there is a choice of
 USB modes, you want MSC, not MTP. The latter is aimed at Windows Media
 Player users and uses auxiliary files. MSC is Mass Storage Class which
 treats the player as an external USB drive, which is what you want.

 Set the region to Rest Of The World, not Europe, or you won't be able
 to hear it. The EU has somewhat restrictive ideas about noise levels.

 OK, three tips: make sure the MP3 tags carry artist and album
 information, as the player uses these rather than file and directory
 names. If the MP3s have come from a non-standard source, they may not
 have tags, or not the ones you need.

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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-04 Thread PaulNM
On 10/04/2014 04:15 PM, John Holland wrote:
 Its More Like 200$, But The fiio X3 is very nice.plays audiophile formats 
 like FLAC as well as mp3.  Fiio is a Chinese company.
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Respectfully, once you're getting above $100 USD, you're better off
getting an cheap android phone/tablet.  Plenty of free apps to play
whatever formats you like, plus other capabilities. Just don't bother
with connecting it to a cellular network.

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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-04 Thread Intense Red
 Respectfully, once you're getting above $100 USD, you're better off
 getting an cheap android phone/tablet.

   I didn't catch the first part of this thread, but I agree with you. What I 
have to wonder about is what is meant by compatible with Debian.

   I use a Sansa Clip (e.g. 
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Sansa-Clip-Player-Black/dp/B002MAPT7U/). It's 
~$30, plays MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, and FLAC files, and has a built-in FM radio. 
I stuck a 16GB memory card in it to hold more music than I'll ever listen to 
in a day.

   Like any sane MP3 player or camera or other device, when I plug the Sansa 
player into its microUSB cable on my Debian box, a window pops open in KDE and 
it's a drag-and-drop operation to copy/delete files to/from the player.

   Definitely recommended.


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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-04 Thread Ric Moore

On 10/04/2014 04:52 PM, Intense Red wrote:

Respectfully, once you're getting above $100 USD, you're better off
getting an cheap android phone/tablet.


I didn't catch the first part of this thread, but I agree with you. What I
have to wonder about is what is meant by compatible with Debian.

I use a Sansa Clip (e.g.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Sansa-Clip-Player-Black/dp/B002MAPT7U/). It's
~$30, plays MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis, and FLAC files, and has a built-in FM radio.
I stuck a 16GB memory card in it to hold more music than I'll ever listen to
in a day.

Like any sane MP3 player or camera or other device, when I plug the Sansa
player into its microUSB cable on my Debian box, a window pops open in KDE and
it's a drag-and-drop operation to copy/delete files to/from the player.

Definitely recommended.


I have one that is at least 5 years old, and still works a charm, when I 
remember to use it. Ric




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Re: MP3 player compatible with Debian

2014-10-04 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 04 October 2014 15:19:26 Lisi Reisz wrote:
 There was a thread about MP3 players a bit back, and one in particular
 found favour.  But my memory, Google-foo, archive-foo have all failed me. 
 Can any kind person remind me/recommend a suitable inexpensive MP3 player
 for me to take on holiday.

 I want to be able to load it easily frorm/with a Debian computer, and I
 don't want to spend exorbitant amounts.  It must remember where it got to,
 and I want to be able to select my track/book/whatever.  The very cheap one
 I was given last year restarted at the beginning every time it had been
 turned off. Much as I liked the first track, I got very tired of it.

 Thanks,
 Lisi

Thanks for all the helpful answers.  I have ordered one of these:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005LFSYZ2/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8psc=1

I shall add a microsdcard at some point to increase the memory.

Lisi


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Re: Daisy/MP3 player

2011-07-23 Thread lee
Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com writes:

 I am wanting to mount a Daisy/MP3** player as a block device to get access to 
 the files on it.  dmesg* lists it, but I am not succeeding in finding its 
 device name.

fdisk -luc


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Daisy/MP3 player

2011-07-22 Thread Lisi
I am wanting to mount a Daisy/MP3** player as a block device to get access to 
the files on it.  dmesg* lists it, but I am not succeeding in finding its 
device name.  It did once mount itself (or rather, I imagine that HAL mounted 
it) but I cannot get this behaviour to repeat. 

*Tux:/home/lisi# dmesg | grep usb
[snip]
25822.364046] usb 3-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
[25822.497726] usb 3-6: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[25822.498624] usb 3-6: New USB device found, idVendor=11e2, idProduct=0054
[25822.498630] usb 3-6: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, 
SerialNumber=3
[25822.498633] usb 3-6: Product: BookSense
[25822.498635] usb 3-6: Manufacturer: HIMS
[25822.498638] usb 3-6: SerialNumber: 005274
[25822.865831] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage
[25822.865852] usb-storage: device found at 3
[25822.865855] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[25827.864494] usb-storage: device scan complete
[25885.306038] usb 3-6: USB disconnect, address 3

It is there.  I must surely be able to mount it???

Lisi

**For those who are curious, Daisy is an OS audio file system that can store 
the whole of most books on one CD.  It appears to be used in the UK 
exclusively by the RNIB.  (An association which helps those who are visually 
impaired.)


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Re: Daisy/MP3 player

2011-07-22 Thread Claudius Hubig
Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
I am wanting to mount a Daisy/MP3** player as a block device to get access to 
the files on it.  dmesg* lists it, but I am not succeeding in finding its 
device name.  It did once mount itself (or rather, I imagine that HAL mounted 
it) but I cannot get this behaviour to repeat. 

What does

ls -l /dev/sd*

say? Does it turn up in $(lsusb)? Which other tools (HAL, udev,
specific desktop environments) are you using which could interfere
with the mounting?

Best regards,

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Re: Daisy/MP3 player

2011-07-22 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:51:18 +0100, Lisi wrote:

 I am wanting to mount a Daisy/MP3** player as a block device to get
 access to the files on it.  dmesg* lists it, but I am not succeeding in
 finding its device name.  It did once mount itself (or rather, I imagine
 that HAL mounted it) but I cannot get this behaviour to repeat.
 
 *Tux:/home/lisi# dmesg | grep usb

(...)

Better dmesg | tail -n 30 to get the latest full 30 lines :-)

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Thanks and SOLVED was:Re: Daisy/MP3 player

2011-07-22 Thread Lisi
On Friday 22 July 2011 17:45:32 Camaleón wrote:
 On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 15:51:18 +0100, Lisi wrote:
  I am wanting to mount a Daisy/MP3** player as a block device to get
  access to the files on it.  dmesg* lists it, but I am not succeeding in
  finding its device name.  It did once mount itself (or rather, I imagine
  that HAL mounted it) but I cannot get this behaviour to repeat.
 
  *Tux:/home/lisi# dmesg | grep usb

 (...)

 Better dmesg | tail -n 30 to get the latest full 30 lines :-)

Bingo!  Thanks, Camaleón!

On Friday 22 July 2011 17:33:42 Claudius Hubig wrote:
 What does

 ls -l /dev/sd*

lisi@Tux:~$ ls -l /dev/sd*
brw-rw 1 root disk 8,  0 2011-07-22 08:18 /dev/sda
brw-rw 1 root disk 8,  1 2011-07-22 08:19 /dev/sda1
brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 16 2011-07-22 08:18 /dev/sdb
brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 17 2011-07-22 08:18 /dev/sdb1

My /home (sda) and /backup (sdb)

 say? Does it turn up in $(lsusb)? 

No!
Tux:/home/lisi# lsusb
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

 Which other tools (HAL, udev, 
 specific desktop environments) are you using which could interfere
 with the mounting?
udev on Lenny running KDE 3.5.10.

I thought I had HAL, but can't seem to find it.

I actually ran your tests before Camaleón's - but hers cracked it.

Thanks, both!

Lisi


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Re: Thanks and SOLVED was:Re: Daisy/MP3 player

2011-07-22 Thread Claudius Hubig
Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 22 July 2011 17:45:32 Camaleón wrote:
 Better dmesg | tail -n 30 to get the latest full 30 lines :-)

Bingo!  Thanks, Camaleón!
I thought I had HAL, but can't seem to find it.

I actually ran your tests before Camaleón's - but hers cracked it.

So what was the problem? :)

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Re: Thanks and SOLVED was:Re: Daisy/MP3 player

2011-07-22 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:44:29 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote:

 Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 22 July 2011 17:45:32 Camaleón wrote:
 Better dmesg | tail -n 30 to get the latest full 30 lines :-)

Bingo!  Thanks, Camaleón!
I thought I had HAL, but can't seem to find it.

I actually ran your tests before Camaleón's - but hers cracked it.
 
 So what was the problem? :)

Yep... what was the problem?

I didn't know that dmesg was an automatic problem-solver :-P

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Re: Thanks and SOLVED was:Re: Daisy/MP3 player

2011-07-22 Thread Lisi
On Friday 22 July 2011 18:59:03 Camaleón wrote:
 On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:44:29 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote:
  Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Friday 22 July 2011 17:45:32 Camaleón wrote:
  Better dmesg | tail -n 30 to get the latest full 30 lines :-)
 
 Bingo!  Thanks, Camaleón!
 I thought I had HAL, but can't seem to find it.
 
 I actually ran your tests before Camaleón's - but hers cracked it.
 
  So what was the problem? :)

 Yep... what was the problem?

PEBKAC.

I needed the device name and couldn't sort it out.  The tail command in dmesg 
gave me the device name.  

Unfortunately I still couldn't mount it.  I suspect more PEBKAC given the 
amount of sleep that I have had recently!

I have solved the problem for now with a little lateral thinking.  I took the 
memory card out of the device and put it in a card reader.  I have now copied 
two more books (audio files of) for a very long train journey.  Life was 
definitely easier when I could read actual books, but I do now have the 
advantage of being able to read and watch the scenery go by at the same 
time. :-)

I'll come back to this when I get back next weekend.  Having once had it 
mounted, albeit by accident, I know it can be done.

So any further ideas you have will be very gratefully received, but not acted 
on for 9 days!

Lisi


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Re: Thanks and SOLVED was:Re: Daisy/MP3 player

2011-07-22 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:50:53 +0100, Lisi wrote:

 On Friday 22 July 2011 18:59:03 Camaleón wrote:
 On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 19:44:29 +0200, Claudius Hubig wrote:
  Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Friday 22 July 2011 17:45:32 Camaleón wrote:
  Better dmesg | tail -n 30 to get the latest full 30 lines :-)
 
 Bingo!  Thanks, Camaleón!
 I thought I had HAL, but can't seem to find it.
 
 I actually ran your tests before Camaleón's - but hers cracked it.
 
  So what was the problem? :)

 Yep... what was the problem?
 
 PEBKAC.

Ouch! X-)
 
 I needed the device name and couldn't sort it out.  The tail command in
 dmesg gave me the device name.
 
 Unfortunately I still couldn't mount it.  I suspect more PEBKAC given
 the amount of sleep that I have had recently!

:-)

 I have solved the problem for now with a little lateral thinking.  I
 took the memory card out of the device and put it in a card reader.  I
 have now copied two more books (audio files of) for a very long train
 journey.  

Simple things always work. Well done. 

 Life was definitely easier when I could read actual books, but
 I do now have the advantage of being able to read and watch the
 scenery go by at the same time. :-)
 
 I'll come back to this when I get back next weekend.  Having once had it
 mounted, albeit by accident, I know it can be done.
 
 So any further ideas you have will be very gratefully received, but not
 acted on for 9 days!

Mmm, the SD card should be automatically mounted under /media folder. 
If it does not, reading dmesg (full dmesg :-P) should help, so when 
you have the time, copy/paste the relevant log here so we can review it.

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Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Raquel
I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
player.

I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the player.
Anyone have an idea about this?

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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom

Raquel wrote:

I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
player.

I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the player.
Anyone have an idea about this?



Show us the syslog messages when you insert the player.

Hugo


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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread David Fox
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Raquel raq...@thericehouse.net wrote:
 I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
 trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
 charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
 player.

You might have a player that uses the mtp (Microsoft Transport
Protocol) to transfer files rather than one that automatically mounts
as a filesystem.

A bit of googling turns up some links - install libmtp, and then you
can use command line tools in that package to send files and/or sync
your player. You can also get Amarok to recognize the player as well
using that method, for a little bit better syncing experience.

See for instance http://www.funzt.info/?p=121

Also here: (and my post from Oct 2007 is there:

http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11395


I used to have an Iriver T30 (it stopped working) that used the same
interface (using lenny).


There is some indication that gnomad2 might work, but I don't have a Zen.


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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Raquel
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:17:16 -0800
David Fox dfox94...@gmail.com wrote:

 You might have a player that uses the mtp (Microsoft Transport
 Protocol) to transfer files rather than one that automatically
 mounts as a filesystem.
 
 A bit of googling turns up some links - install libmtp, and then you
 can use command line tools in that package to send files and/or sync
 your player. You can also get Amarok to recognize the player as well
 using that method, for a little bit better syncing experience.
 
 See for instance http://www.funzt.info/?p=121
 
 Also here: (and my post from Oct 2007 is there:
 
 http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11395
 
 
 I used to have an Iriver T30 (it stopped working) that used the same
 interface (using lenny).
 
 
 There is some indication that gnomad2 might work, but I don't have
 a Zen.

Hm, I can't find libmtp in Etch.

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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread David Fox
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Raquel raq...@thericehouse.net wrote:

 Hm, I can't find libmtp in Etch.

$ aptitude show mtp-tools to see if it is there and then install it,
that should do what you want.

But I remember running it on Etch when Etch was still in testing, then
I switched over to lenny in April 2007.

There seems to be some discussion here[0] about amarok on etch that
may be of interest. It mentions unavailability of libmtp-dev on Etch,
though. I can't remember if I was able to sync my Iriver T30 with
amarok during the time I was running Etch, but maybe in Lenny, so you
might try when Lenny goes stable to use amarok to sync the player,
otherwise you should be able to get by with the tools in the mtp-tools
package. It's a bit clunky, but it works.

[0] http://fixunix.com/debian/336613-amarok-etch.html


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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Teemu Likonen
Raquel (2008-12-20 08:27 -0800) wrote:

 On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 08:17:16 -0800 David Fox dfox94...@gmail.com wrote:
 A bit of googling turns up some links - install libmtp, and then you
 can use command line tools in that package to send files and/or sync
 your player. You can also get Amarok to recognize the player as well
 using that method, for a little bit better syncing experience.

 Hm, I can't find libmtp in Etch.

Amarok in Lenny depends on libmtp7 package so I guess in Lenny it would
work out-of-the-box. You could load the source package of amarok (and
its build dependencies which don't exist in Etch) from Debian Lenny and
then compile it in your Etch system.


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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Saturday 20 December 2008 10:56:10 Raquel wrote:
 I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
 trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
 charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
 player.

 I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the player.
 Anyone have an idea about this?

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I have a Zen Stone 2G mp3 player.  It just works in Debian Testing.  Plug it 
in and an icon is made on the desktop in the same way as a usb disk or cd.  
On my box, Rhythmbox opens up as well.  So:  I can use Rhythmbox to listen to 
my music or a file browser/cli to move recordings to it.

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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Rainer Kluge

Raquel schrieb:

I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
player.

I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the player.
Anyone have an idea about this?



Some players work in different modes: MTP, USB; and MTP is the default. 
You have to put it in USB mode manually in the configuration menu and it 
will be recognized as an USB device by Linux.



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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Raquel
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 10:15:29 -0600
Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote:

 Raquel wrote:
  I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and
  I'm trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
  charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
  player.
  
  I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the
  player. Anyone have an idea about this?
  
 
 Show us the syslog messages when you insert the player.
 
 Hugo
 
 

Here's the syslog output when I plugin the player:
Dec 20 13:07:29 localhost kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device
using uhci_hcd and address 6 
Dec 20 13:07:29 localhost kernel: usb
2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice W

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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread David Watson
Raquel wrote:
 I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and I'm
 trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
 charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
 player.
 
 I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the player.
 Anyone have an idea about this?
 

Make sure you have activated the mtp plugins in your media player ( I
know amarok has one )


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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread Raquel
On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 21:26:54 +
David Watson da...@planetwatson.co.uk wrote:

 Raquel wrote:
  I got my spouse a Creative Zen 8GB mp3 player for Christmas and
  I'm trying to get it loaded with her music before Christmas.  I've
  charged the player using the USB port but Debian doesn't find the
  player.
  
  I've tried using Gnomad2 and Amarok.  Neither will find the
  player. Anyone have an idea about this?
  
 
 Make sure you have activated the mtp plugins in your media player
 ( I know amarok has one )
 
 
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Not with Etch.

I've returned the Zen to Amazon and ordered an iPod.  Thanks to
everyone who tried to help.  It may sound silly, but after spending
much of the day on this I'm just not up to the hassle.

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Re: Creative Zen mp3 Player

2008-12-20 Thread David Fox
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Raquel raq...@thericehouse.net wrote:

 I've returned the Zen to Amazon and ordered an iPod.  Thanks to
 everyone who tried to help.  It may sound silly, but after spending
 much of the day on this I'm just not up to the hassle.

Sorry to hear about that. I hope the ipod works better. For what it is
worth, and if you are looking for an inexpensive mp3 player that just
works in Linux check out the M620 from Ivo Sound. I got it at Fry's
here locally (Campbell CA) and for $40 (well that's $10 off) it's a
very versatile mp3 player that plays AMV format video as well, and
just mounts as a drive under Linux so I can just use drag  drop to
transfer files over. It's also 4GB. For $40, it's not a bad deal,
compared to what just 1gb mp3 players were a scant few years ago.

A few drawbacks - the screen is kind of smallish for video, but the
files are still watchable on the screen, and amv video can be
transcoded from avi's with ffmpeg - i've done it a few times. I'm not
sure if the player is at fault, but folders (music albums) when
transferred over to the device, the songs are usually out of order.
Sometimes that's not a big deal, and other times it is (like trying to
listen to the Who's Tommy in shuffle play mode - that's just not
right! :)


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Re: How to send tunes to MP3 player?

2008-11-19 Thread Michael Pobega
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 06:40:52PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:
 Michael Pobega wrote the following on 11/16/2008 05:28 PM:
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 05:08:42PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:
 Michael Pobega wrote the following on 11/16/2008 03:36 PM:
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:29:23PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:
 Greetings;

 Is there a program on Debian/lenny that will send/write tunes 
 onto an MP3 player? It is one of those little ones that you plug 
 into a USB port. On windows we use Win. Media Player but haven't 
 found anything shat seems to work on Debian yet.

 TIA!
 Dennis

 We're going to need more information before we can help you -- Does the
 mp3 player have a brand name? Is it a mount'n'drop? Or does it need some
 sort of proprietary tool like iTunes?

 Michael, et al,

 The device is a Sandisk model Sansa Clip. On Windows it works with  
 Windows Media Player with no special software or tools so I would 
 guess that there should be something similar in linux that it would 
 work with.

 TNX,
 Dennsi



 Have you tried just simply mounting the device and looking through the
 filesystem? There is most likely a directory named music with mp3s in
 them.

 Yes. There isn't. There are a few directories, but nothing shows in them 
 that are MP3s. I know there are songs on the device so I don't want to 
 try and risk the chance of wiping out what is there.

 Music Player comes up when I plug in the device but even though it shows 
 the device It isn't accessible, either to playback or load.



Before doing anything, make sure the firmware is at it's newest version.
Apparently the update application is only available for Windows,
although you could try it in Wine. Once you have updated the firmware
try this while in the root directory of your device;

cat audio_folders=MUSIC/,RECORD/  .is_audio_player

Then make a directory called MUSIC to dump your music, and if it already
exists just place your mp3s there.

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Re: How to send tunes to MP3 player?

2008-11-18 Thread Dennis Wicks

Michael Pobega wrote the following on 11/16/2008 05:28 PM:

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 05:08:42PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:

Michael Pobega wrote the following on 11/16/2008 03:36 PM:

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:29:23PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:

Greetings;

Is there a program on Debian/lenny that will send/write tunes onto an 
MP3 player? It is one of those little ones that you plug into a USB 
port. On windows we use Win. Media Player but haven't found anything 
shat seems to work on Debian yet.


TIA!
Dennis


We're going to need more information before we can help you -- Does the
mp3 player have a brand name? Is it a mount'n'drop? Or does it need some
sort of proprietary tool like iTunes?


Michael, et al,

The device is a Sandisk model Sansa Clip. On Windows it works with 
Windows Media Player with no special software or tools so I would guess 
that there should be something similar in linux that it would work with.


TNX,
Dennsi




Have you tried just simply mounting the device and looking through the
filesystem? There is most likely a directory named music with mp3s in
them.

Yes. There isn't. There are a few directories, but nothing 
shows in them that are MP3s. I know there are songs on the 
device so I don't want to try and risk the chance of wiping 
out what is there.


Music Player comes up when I plug in the device but even 
though it shows the device It isn't accessible, either to 
playback or load.



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How to send tunes to MP3 player?

2008-11-16 Thread Dennis Wicks

Greetings;

Is there a program on Debian/lenny that will send/write 
tunes onto an MP3 player? It is one of those little ones 
that you plug into a USB port. On windows we use Win. Media 
Player but haven't found anything shat seems to work on 
Debian yet.


TIA!
Dennis


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Re: How to send tunes to MP3 player?

2008-11-16 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:29:23PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:
 Greetings;

 Is there a program on Debian/lenny that will send/write tunes onto an MP3 
 player? It is one of those little ones that you plug into a USB port. On 
 windows we use Win. Media Player but haven't found anything shat seems to 
 work on Debian yet.

 TIA!
 Dennis


We're going to need more information before we can help you -- Does the
mp3 player have a brand name? Is it a mount'n'drop? Or does it need some
sort of proprietary tool like iTunes?

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Re: How to send tunes to MP3 player?

2008-11-16 Thread David Fox
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Dennis Wicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greetings;

 Is there a program on Debian/lenny that will send/write tunes onto an MP3
 player? It is one of those little ones that you plug into a USB port. On

Depends. If your mp3 player can just show up as a device in your
browser (that is if you can mount the device as like a hard drive)
then you just use common cmmands to copy the mp3s over, or drag and
drop them from panels using your favorite file browser.

If the device cannot be mounted, then you probably can use a package
called mtp-tools in debian. Just install it, and it'll give you some
utilities to use to transfer files over that interface. It's similar
to ptp protocol or whatever cameras use that don't offer mounting into
the file system.

 Dennis


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Re: How to send tunes to MP3 player?

2008-11-16 Thread Jochen Schulz
Dennis Wicks:
 
 Is there a program on Debian/lenny that will send/write tunes onto an MP3 
 player? It is one of those little ones that you plug into a USB port. On 
 windows we use Win. Media Player but haven't found anything shat seems to 
 work on Debian yet.

If your player is a regular mass storage device, you can just mount it
like any other USB thumb drive and copy your music files onto the drive.
If that doesn't work, you may be out of luck (but I don't know, since
all the MP3 players I ever used are mass storage devices).

It may help if you told us the name of the device. Of course, googling
for the device name and linux may help, too.

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Re: How to send tunes to MP3 player?

2008-11-16 Thread Dennis Wicks

Michael Pobega wrote the following on 11/16/2008 03:36 PM:

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:29:23PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:

Greetings;

Is there a program on Debian/lenny that will send/write tunes onto an MP3 
player? It is one of those little ones that you plug into a USB port. On 
windows we use Win. Media Player but haven't found anything shat seems to 
work on Debian yet.


TIA!
Dennis



We're going to need more information before we can help you -- Does the
mp3 player have a brand name? Is it a mount'n'drop? Or does it need some
sort of proprietary tool like iTunes?


Michael, et al,

The device is a Sandisk model Sansa Clip. On Windows it 
works with Windows Media Player with no special software or 
tools so I would guess that there should be something 
similar in linux that it would work with.


TNX,
Dennsi


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Re: How to send tunes to MP3 player?

2008-11-16 Thread Michael Pobega
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 05:08:42PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:
 Michael Pobega wrote the following on 11/16/2008 03:36 PM:
 On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 03:29:23PM -0600, Dennis Wicks wrote:
 Greetings;

 Is there a program on Debian/lenny that will send/write tunes onto an 
 MP3 player? It is one of those little ones that you plug into a USB 
 port. On windows we use Win. Media Player but haven't found anything 
 shat seems to work on Debian yet.

 TIA!
 Dennis


 We're going to need more information before we can help you -- Does the
 mp3 player have a brand name? Is it a mount'n'drop? Or does it need some
 sort of proprietary tool like iTunes?

 Michael, et al,

 The device is a Sandisk model Sansa Clip. On Windows it works with 
 Windows Media Player with no special software or tools so I would guess 
 that there should be something similar in linux that it would work with.

 TNX,
 Dennsi



Have you tried just simply mounting the device and looking through the
filesystem? There is most likely a directory named music with mp3s in
them.

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Re: How to send tunes to MP3 player?

2008-11-16 Thread Nuno Magalhães
 The device is a Sandisk model Sansa Clip. On Windows it works with
 Windows Media Player with no special software or tools so I would guess
 that there should be something similar in linux that it would work with.

Have you tried... anything?

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Re: mp3 player with adjustable speed and pitch correction

2008-07-01 Thread Joachim Reichel
Michael Shuler worte:
 What you are looking for is really not just a player, but an audio editor.
 Give audacity a try - works well for me.

From a user's point of view there is no difference between adjusting volume,
speed or pitch. Hence, I consider adjustable speed as a basic feature of a music
player. Anyway, audacity doesn't suit my needs (stop playback, preprocessing).

Andrei Popescu wrote:
 mplayer can adjust the speed on-the-fly. A quick search through the man
 page does find a filter which compensates for the pitch as well, but I
 didn't test it.

Unfortunately, (g)mplayer does not display the current speed (imagine that you
press [ or ] several times during playback), 10% steps are too large, also.

Cédric Lucantis wrote:
 alsaplayer does it too, even allowing negative speeds for your satanic
 parties :)

alsaplayer is fine.

Thanks for all suggestions.

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Re: sandisk mp3 player mount

2008-06-30 Thread Oscar Blanco
I've got a Sandisk Digital Audio Player 1GB and Debian Lenny, Kernel
2-6-22-3-686, KDE Version 3.5.8.
It is automounted by a deamon,
here what I get after confirmation window

$mount
...
/dev/sda1 on /media/(devicename) type vfat
(rw,nousid,nodev,noatime,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower)

Hope it helps you.

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Re: mp3 player with adjustable speed and pitch correction

2008-06-30 Thread Michael Shuler

On 06/30/2008 12:27 PM, Joachim Reichel wrote:

I'm looking for an mp3 player that allows to adjust the speed, but haven't been
successful so far.


What you are looking for is really not just a player, but an audio 
editor.  Give audacity a try - works well for me.


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Re: mp3 player with adjustable speed and pitch correction

2008-06-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 07:27:22PM +0200, Joachim Reichel wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I'm looking for an mp3 player that allows to adjust the speed, but haven't 
 been
 successful so far.
 
 audacity: requires preprocessing (and is not really a music player)
 amarok: the developers tagged #103895 as wontfix
 vlc: allows only fixed multipliers (like 0.5x/1x/2x)
 noatun: restarts song from beginning on every change
 
 Is there any music player that allows to adjust the speed by any factor 
 between
 half and double speed, at any point during playback, without preprocessing,
 without restarting playback from beginning, and with pitch correction?
 
mplayer can adjust the speed on-the-fly. A quick search through the man 
page does find a filter which compensates for the pitch as well, but I 
didn't test it.

Regards,
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Re: mp3 player with adjustable speed and pitch correction

2008-06-30 Thread Cédric Lucantis
Le Monday 30 June 2008 19:55:55 Andrei Popescu, vous avez écrit :
 On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 07:27:22PM +0200, Joachim Reichel wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I'm looking for an mp3 player that allows to adjust the speed, but
  haven't been successful so far.
 
  audacity: requires preprocessing (and is not really a music player)
  amarok: the developers tagged #103895 as wontfix
  vlc: allows only fixed multipliers (like 0.5x/1x/2x)
  noatun: restarts song from beginning on every change
 
  Is there any music player that allows to adjust the speed by any factor
  between half and double speed, at any point during playback, without
  preprocessing, without restarting playback from beginning, and with pitch
  correction?

 mplayer can adjust the speed on-the-fly. A quick search through the man
 page does find a filter which compensates for the pitch as well, but I
 didn't test it.


alsaplayer does it too, even allowing negative speeds for your satanic 
parties :)

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Re: OT: MP3 Player for Ogg?

2008-06-26 Thread Brian McKee
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 11:58 -0400, Thomas H. George wrote:
 Question: Is there an MP3 player that plays Ogg files right out of the box?

I recently bought a Cowan D2 to replace my dead iPod mini - Ogg right
out of the box as well as a pretty good selection of other formats too.
Mounts as a standard USB drive.  Audio quality seems good and battery
life is great.

Still not sold on the touch screen interface, but it is a cool little
device for audio or video podcasts, and you can read plain text files ok
with it too... 

HTH,
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RE: MP3 Player for Ogg?

2008-06-23 Thread Stackpole, Chris
Question: Is there an MP3 player that plays Ogg files right out of the
box?

I too second Rockbox. I bought into the iPod craze a couple of years ago
and quickly discovered that I hated it. I didn't care for the interface,
I couldn't access my music from other computers, continuous problems
with iTunes, and the big one was that 90% of my music is in FLAC or OGG
formats. Rockbox breathed in new life to the iPod and made it so very
usable for me. I love Rockbox.

Now after 2 years my iPod is slowly dying and I am researching and
seriously considering the Cowon A3. I don't know if it is something you
would be interested in, but it does support OGG. :-)

Should, for whatever reason, I decide not to go with the A3 I can
guarantee that my next music player will be something off of the
following list here for the sole purpose of having Rockbox:
http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus#Current_status_o
f_supported_targ


Just my opinions.

Have fun!
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Não consigo montar mp3 player

2008-06-22 Thread Sávio Ramos
Olá,

Comprei um mp3 xing-ling e o bichinho não monta, o erro é:

[   52.732872] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] 4070242 512-byte hardware sectors (2084 MB)
[   52.733370] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off
[   52.733373] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 00 c0 00 00
[   52.733375] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through
[   52.733377]  sdb: sdb1
[   52.734506]  sdb: p1 exceeds device capacity
[   52.738282] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk
[   52.738320] sd 8:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0
[   48.860079] attempt to access beyond end of device
[   48.860085] sdb: rw=0, want=4070304, limit=4070242

Alguma luz?

Grato.
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Re: Não consigo montar mp3 player

2008-06-22 Thread Renato S. Yamane
Sávio Ramos escreveu:
 Comprei um mp3 xing-ling e o bichinho não monta, o erro é:

 [   52.732872] sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] 4070242 512-byte hardware sectors (2084 MB)
 [   48.860085] sdb: rw=0, want=4070304, limit=4070242

Seu dispositivo possui 4070242 setores de 512bytes, que resulta em 2083,96Mb,
porém o seu dispositiv informa que possui 2084Mb, portanto seriam necessários
4070304 setores (ou seja, estão faltando 62 setores).

Faça uma formatação completa com o fdisk usando um sistema de arquivos sem
journaling (como o FAT32, por exemplo).

Att,
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Re: Não consigo montar mp3 player

2008-06-22 Thread Sávio Ramos
Em Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:56:20 -0300 (BRST)
Renato S. Yamane [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:

 Faça uma formatação completa com o fdisk usando um sistema de
 arquivos sem journaling (como o FAT32, por exemplo).

Formatei aqui com o pacote dosfstools. Apareceu um aviso dizendo que a
formatação foi feita com utf-8. Como hoje foi almoço na sogra levei o
bichinho para lá e formatei no Winblows. Está funcionando, brigadú.

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OT: MP3 Player for Ogg?

2008-06-22 Thread Thomas H. George

Question: Is there an MP3 player that plays Ogg files right out of the box?

I'm considering converting to Ogg the audio tapes I play on a clunky 
cassette player during workouts.  A review of an iRiver T30 noted that 
initially it worked only with XP but a download from the manufacturer 
could convert it to a more universal machine.  A Goggle search turned up 
more players which can play Ogg files but they all seem to require 
Windoze and WMP (I don't even know what WMP is).


Is the iRiver T30 the best choice?  It looks pretty clunky though 
perhaps not as bad as my old cassette player.


Tom


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Re: OT: MP3 Player for Ogg?

2008-06-22 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 22/06/2008, Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Question: Is there an MP3 player that plays Ogg files right out of the box?

There are several. I've been quite happy with Samsung products. I have
a YP-U2 Samsung player.

Funny thing to call it mp3 player when you want it to play Ogg. :-)

- Jordi G. H.


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Re: OT: MP3 Player for Ogg?

2008-06-22 Thread Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
On 22/06/2008, Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 they all seem to require Windoze and WMP (I don't even know what WMP is).

Oh, btw, many audio players work just like a regular usb flash drive.
You plug it in, and you treat it like any other pendrive. The Samsung
player I have is like this. No need for stupid and non-free software.

- Jordi G. H.


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Re: OT: MP3 Player for Ogg?

2008-06-22 Thread Mark Allums

Thomas H. George wrote:
 Question: Is there an MP3 player that plays Ogg files right out of 
the box?


 I'm considering converting to Ogg the audio tapes I play on a clunky
 cassette player during workouts.  A review of an iRiver T30 noted that
 initially it worked only with XP but a download from the manufacturer
 could convert it to a more universal machine.  A Goggle search turned up
 more players which can play Ogg files but they all seem to require
 Windoze and WMP (I don't even know what WMP is).

 Is the iRiver T30 the best choice?  It looks pretty clunky though
 perhaps not as bad as my old cassette player.

 Tom



This is not the best forum for this, you should be Googling.

Given that:

Several players could, but Microsoft and Apple have pretty much managed 
to kill those off.  There is an open source/free software firmware 
available for a variety of players that loves ogg vorbis, Rockbox.


http://www.rockbox.org/

It has been ported to some iPods, and some iRivers, and Sansa e200s and 
other players.  You might look for a player that is supported by it.  It 
has a lot of other cool features, and there is active development, 
including ports to new targets.


It is compiled on Linux with gcc, so conceivably, any player with CPU 
supported by gcc could be ported, given that a volunteer gets the full 
specs of the player and tkes an interest.  ARMs and coldfire are the two 
most common embedded CPU architectures used in players.


The best thing you can do if you have a favorite player you want to run 
Rockbox is send a player or two to a Rockbox dev, along with the 
complete specs of the player.


More than you wanted or needed to know, but Rockbox is IMO probably your 
best bet for ogg support.


Mark Allums


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Re: OT: MP3 Player for Ogg?

2008-06-22 Thread Sam Kuper
You may want to look at the following thread from the Cambridge Linux Group
mailing list:

http://lists.infowares.com/archive/clug/2008-June/006805.html


Re: OT: MP3 Player for Ogg?

2008-06-22 Thread David Fox
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Thomas H. George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Is the iRiver T30 the best choice?  It looks pretty clunky though perhaps
 not as bad as my old cassette player.

It's decidedly better than an old cassette player. :)

I have one of these players - acquired it about 2 years ago at Sears 1/2 price.

It does work with linux. You probably want the package mtp-tools as
the player uses the MPT transport library. Inside that package are
command line tools to do things like send files to the player and so
forth, and you can use Amarok once it is setup, it'll use those
commands as a backend.

It will play oggs out of the box.

No special problems with this player except after 2 years of use the
solenoids get dirty which causes odd skips, loops cycling through the
browser. I can lock the player so that it doesn't do that, though.


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Re: OT: MP3 Player for Ogg?

2008-06-22 Thread Jochen Schulz
Mark Allums:
 
 More than you wanted or needed to know, but Rockbox is IMO probably your  
 best bet for ogg support.

I second this. I bought an Iriver H120 two years ago, installed Rockbox
on the very first day and have never regretted it. Take a look at their
website, buy any player Rockbox supports and you'll have a device giving
you just about anything you will ever need.

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Re: OT: MP3 Player for Ogg?

2008-06-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 11:58:14AM -0400, Thomas H. George [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] was heard to say:
 Question: Is there an MP3 player that plays Ogg files right out of the box?

  I have an iAudio U3 by Cowon.  AFAIK all the players in the iAudio
line support Ogg (and some other free formats like Flac); my only
complaint about this one is that after only a year and a few months it's
starting to break: the headphone jack has been getting flaky (unless I
continually shove the connector in I only get one sound channel) and
just recently I've been seeing signs that the USB jack might be starting
to go (which means I won't be able to load new podcasts and, since it
charges over USB, could turn it into a doorstop).  I don't know if this
is typical of Cowon players or if I just have a bad one.

  When I decide to replace this I think I'll try something from iRiver
(a different company) -- they have a long history of supporting open
formats.  You can also get a player from another company and install
Rockbox, but I would rather buy from a company that supports me
up-front when I have the choice.

  Daniel


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Re: Trying to Mount New 2-Gig Zenstone MP3 Player

2008-05-30 Thread ajm
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:47:26PM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote:
   The original 1-gig Zenstone MP3 players mount on Debian
 just fine if one has vfat support so I expected it to be a
 breeze to load a brand new 2-gig model, not the Zenstone Plus,
 but the 2-gigabyte model that has the tiny speaker.
 
   Boy, was I wrong about the ease factor.
 
   There is some weird variant of the fat32 FS on this drive
 and I haven't been able to mount it to save my soul.
 
   $ fdisk -l
 
 Disk /dev/sda: 2008 MB, 2008547328 bytes
 1 heads, 62 sectors/track, 63273 cylinders
 Units = cylinders of 62 * 512 = 31744 bytes
 
Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
 /dev/sda1   1   63274 1961471+   b  W95 FAT32
 Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
 
 It gets better.
 
 # mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
 
 FAT: bogus sectors-per-track value
 
 Nothing mounts. Game over.
 
   I did capture an image of the flash drive.
 
  dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/tmp/image.bin bs=512
 
 Doing the strings utility on the first few bytes of image.bin
 yields
 
 NXP
 )xV4
 ZEN STONE  FAT32
 RRaA
 rrAa
 NXP
 )xV4
 ZEN STONE  FAT32
 RRaA
 rrAa
 ZEN STONE
 RANSF~1RAT
 
   An older working Zenstone's beginning sectors look like
 
 MSWIN4.1
 FAT32   
 RRaA
 rrAa
 MSWIN4.1
 FAT32   
 RRaA
 rrAa
 ZEN Stone
 
   Is there any way to make this odd-ball fat32 mount?
 
 If that XP really means Windows XP and not just garbage that
 strings picked up, then that may explain things a bit.
 
   Is there something I need to upgrade?
 
   I am running a 2.6.5 kernel with support for most of the
 common Microsoft file systems but we are dead in the water on
 this little project, so far.
 
   Thanks for any constructive ideas.
 
 Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
 Systems Engineer
 OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group
 
 
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Try the following as root or sudo

mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt

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Trying to Mount New 2-Gig Zenstone MP3 Player

2008-05-29 Thread Martin McCormick
The original 1-gig Zenstone MP3 players mount on Debian
just fine if one has vfat support so I expected it to be a
breeze to load a brand new 2-gig model, not the Zenstone Plus,
but the 2-gigabyte model that has the tiny speaker.

Boy, was I wrong about the ease factor.

There is some weird variant of the fat32 FS on this drive
and I haven't been able to mount it to save my soul.

$ fdisk -l

Disk /dev/sda: 2008 MB, 2008547328 bytes
1 heads, 62 sectors/track, 63273 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 62 * 512 = 31744 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   1   63274 1961471+   b  W95 FAT32
Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.

It gets better.

# mount /dev/sda1 /mnt

FAT: bogus sectors-per-track value

Nothing mounts. Game over.

I did capture an image of the flash drive.

 dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/tmp/image.bin bs=512

Doing the strings utility on the first few bytes of image.bin
yields

NXP
)xV4
ZEN STONE  FAT32
RRaA
rrAa
NXP
)xV4
ZEN STONE  FAT32
RRaA
rrAa
ZEN STONE
RANSF~1RAT

An older working Zenstone's beginning sectors look like

MSWIN4.1
FAT32   
RRaA
rrAa
MSWIN4.1
FAT32   
RRaA
rrAa
ZEN Stone

Is there any way to make this odd-ball fat32 mount?

If that XP really means Windows XP and not just garbage that
strings picked up, then that may explain things a bit.

Is there something I need to upgrade?

I am running a 2.6.5 kernel with support for most of the
common Microsoft file systems but we are dead in the water on
this little project, so far.

Thanks for any constructive ideas.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Network Operations Group


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sandisk mp3 player mount

2008-05-17 Thread seeds
how can i mount a sandisk mp3 player in debian lenny?


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Re: sandisk mp3 player mount

2008-05-17 Thread Alan Ianson
On Sat May 17 2008 08:21:53 am seeds wrote:
 how can i mount a sandisk mp3 player in debian lenny?

A friend of mine bought an mp3 player (some generic brand) that didn't 
automount for unknown reasons. I mounted it manually but adding an entry 
in /etc/fstab like below and it mounts fine that way.

/dev/sdc1 /mnt/mp3player vfat rw,users,noauto  0  0

Then mount /mnt/mp3player to mount it and umount /mnt/mp3player to unmount 
it. You need to mount the correct device and that directory needs to exist. 
You need to use the correct file system also, I think I used vfat but I'm not 
sure now.


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Re: sandisk mp3 player mount

2008-05-17 Thread Michael Marsh
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 11:21 AM, seeds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 how can i mount a sandisk mp3 player in debian lenny?

I don't know what version of usbmount is in lenny, but the version in
sid doesn't recognize vfat filesystems.  You can change that by
modifying the FILESYSTEMS variable in /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf

Note the scary message about sync'ing before umounting the device for
vfat, which is why it's disabled by default.

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Re: sandisk mp3 player mount

2008-05-17 Thread Nyizsnyik Ferenc
On Sat, 17 May 2008 09:16:15 -0700
Alan Ianson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat May 17 2008 08:21:53 am seeds wrote:
  how can i mount a sandisk mp3 player in debian lenny?
 
 A friend of mine bought an mp3 player (some generic brand) that
 didn't automount for unknown reasons. I mounted it manually but
 adding an entry in /etc/fstab like below and it mounts fine that way.
 
 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/mp3player vfat rw,users,noauto  0  0
 
 Then mount /mnt/mp3player to mount it and umount /mnt/mp3player
 to unmount it. You need to mount the correct device and that
 directory needs to exist. You need to use the correct file system
 also, I think I used vfat but I'm not sure now.
 

An other thing to check: some of them have only one partition on them
(like, mine didn't automount either, because it was seen as /dev/sda
instead of /dev/sda1).

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sort files by name and maintain sort order when copying to mp3 player

2008-03-24 Thread Russell L. Harris
After two hours of searching with Google and Yahoo, I have not found a
good approach to the problem of maintaining proper file order when
copying mp3 files from an ext3 directory to a flash-based mp3 player.

Contrary to the instruction manual, the player (a Creative MUVO) plays
files in the order in which they are written to flash memory, so if I
have an audio book with a hundred chapters on an ext3 drive and then
copy the book to the mp3 player, the chapters do not necessarily play
in proper sequence.  

The player is inexpensive, and does not support playlists.

In searching, I discovered that others also have this problem, but
there appears to be no standard Linux utility to solve the problem.

But perhaps someone has written such a utility written in Perl?

In the Debian archives is a utility named fatsort which addresses
this problem, but it necessitates mounting a FAT partition.  

RLH


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Re: sort files by name and maintain sort order when copying to mp3 player

2008-03-24 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 04:06:15AM -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote:
 After two hours of searching with Google and Yahoo, I have not found a
 good approach to the problem of maintaining proper file order when
 copying mp3 files from an ext3 directory to a flash-based mp3 player.
 
 Contrary to the instruction manual, the player (a Creative MUVO) plays
 files in the order in which they are written to flash memory, so if I
 have an audio book with a hundred chapters on an ext3 drive and then
 copy the book to the mp3 player, the chapters do not necessarily play
 in proper sequence.  
 
 The player is inexpensive, and does not support playlists.
 
 In searching, I discovered that others also have this problem, but
 there appears to be no standard Linux utility to solve the problem.
 
 But perhaps someone has written such a utility written in Perl?
 
 In the Debian archives is a utility named fatsort which addresses
 this problem, but it necessitates mounting a FAT partition.  
 
 RLH
Here is an idea:
create a temp. dir: mkdir music_copy

copy the files you want to listen to into the temp. dir:
cp my_music_file1 my_music_file2 ... music_copy

alter the time stamp of these files to suite FAT:
(I think 'touch' would do but not sure what FAT uses)

then copy the file to your music player

The key is to find what value FAT uses: mtime? ctime?
Hope this helps.

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Re: sort files by name and maintain sort order when copying to mp3 player

2008-03-24 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Russell L. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 After two hours of searching with Google and Yahoo, I have not found a
  good approach to the problem of maintaining proper file order when
  copying mp3 files from an ext3 directory to a flash-based mp3 player.

  Contrary to the instruction manual, the player (a Creative MUVO) plays
  files in the order in which they are written to flash memory, so if I
  have an audio book with a hundred chapters on an ext3 drive and then
  copy the book to the mp3 player, the chapters do not necessarily play
  in proper sequence.

I had a similar problem with a lousy mp3 player. What I did was copy
the files directory by directory.

This does not work:
cp -r ~/mp3/a_directory /mnt/usb

This works and mantains the order:
mkdir /mnt/usb/a_directory
cp ~/mp3/a_directory/* /mnt/usb/a_directory

It is certainly a pain in the ass if there are several directories,
but at least it works. The * gets expanded to a file list in
alphabetical order.


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Re: sort files by name and maintain sort order when copying to mp3 player

2008-03-24 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] [080324 04:49]:
 On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 04:06:15AM -0500, Russell L. Harris wrote:
  After two hours of searching with Google and Yahoo, I have not found a
  good approach to the problem of maintaining proper file order when
  copying mp3 files from an ext3 directory to a flash-based mp3 player.
...
  In the Debian archives is a utility named fatsort which addresses
  this problem, but it necessitates mounting a FAT partition.  

Apparently I did not/do not understand the way fatsort works, and was
trying to do things the hard way.

I installed a second small drive, partitioned it, and put on it a vfat
filesystem, but fatsort aborts with an error each time I try to run
it.

Finally, I plugged in my mp3 player, and after demounting it (because
it was automounted by Debian), fatsort appears to work perfectly.  

RLH


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Re: sort files by name and maintain sort order when copying to mp3 player

2008-03-24 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 09:09:22 -0200, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 7:06 AM, Russell L. Harris wrote:
  After two hours of searching with Google and Yahoo, I have not found a
   good approach to the problem of maintaining proper file order when
   copying mp3 files from an ext3 directory to a flash-based mp3 player.
 
   Contrary to the instruction manual, the player (a Creative MUVO) plays
   files in the order in which they are written to flash memory, so if I
   have an audio book with a hundred chapters on an ext3 drive and then
   copy the book to the mp3 player, the chapters do not necessarily play
   in proper sequence.
 
 I had a similar problem with a lousy mp3 player. What I did was copy
 the files directory by directory.
 
 This does not work:
 cp -r ~/mp3/a_directory /mnt/usb
 
 This works and mantains the order:
 mkdir /mnt/usb/a_directory
 cp ~/mp3/a_directory/* /mnt/usb/a_directory
 
 It is certainly a pain in the ass if there are several directories,
 but at least it works. The * gets expanded to a file list in
 alphabetical order.

What about this:

find /your/source/ | sort | while read FILE; do cp $FILE /your/destination/; 
done

Maybe you want to check the sort order before you do the actual copying:

find /your/source/ | sort | while read FILE; do echo $FILE; done

The sort command has various options to influence the sorting order; it
might also depend on your LC_COLLATE setting (I am not sure about this).

You can also use the find + sort combination to compile a rough
playlist:

find /your/source/ | sort  playlist.txt

Then you can edit this playlist and afterwards copy the files in the
same order as they appear in the modified playlist:

while read FILE; do cp $FILE /your/destination/; done  playlist.txt

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Problema com sistema de arquivos de mp3 player

2007-07-04 Thread Krishnamurti L. L. V. Nunes
Olá Debianos,

Estou com um problema no sistema de arquivos de um aparelho reprodutor
de mp3 Foston FS-68.
É um desses com telinha, que reproduz vídeo, grava voz, etc.

Estou quase certo de que o problema é com o aparelho, mas achei que
valia a pena perguntar se alguém já passou pela mesma situação antes de
acionar a garantia.

Uns dias depois de comprado, ele começou a não executar nenhum arquivo.
Dava uma mensagem de erro genérica como File Error.
Eu formatei a memória do dispositivo, e desde então só consigo montá-lo
como read only, ou seja, não consigo adicionar arquivos ao aparelho.

O aparelho funciona para ouvir rádio, mas não consigo acrescentar mp3.

Fiz a experiência de clonar um outro aparelho igual, e usei o dd para
copiar uma imagem de um para outro. O aparelho defeituoso passou a
executar as músicas, mas mesmo assim continuou com o sistema de arquivos
somente leitura.

Dei uma olhada na manpage do mkfs.vfat, mas não achei uma opção que me
ajudasse. Formatei com FAT12, FAT16 e FAT32, ext3 e nada. Não consigo
montar o dipositivo com permissão de escrita (nem para o root) seja
montando manualmente ou deixando o dbus/hal montar no desktop.

Uso o dosfstools versão 2.11-2.2 e e2fsprogs versão 
1.39+1.40-WIP-2007.04.07+dfsg-2 no Debian SiD.

Alguém tem alguma dica?

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Re: Problema com sistema de arquivos de mp3 player

2007-07-04 Thread Bruno Schneider

On 7/3/07, Krishnamurti L. L. V. Nunes wrote:

Eu formatei a memória do dispositivo, e desde então só consigo montá-lo
como read only, ou seja, não consigo adicionar arquivos ao aparelho.


Por acaso ele não está com o botão lock acionado?

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Re: Problema com sistema de arquivos de mp3 player

2007-07-04 Thread Ataliba Neto

O botão Hold pode está com problemas e isso é comum.
Pelo que soube, o firmware bloqueia quando tenta atualizá-lo.

Acredito também que o problema é no aparelho.

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Re: off-topic - MP3-player corrompido

2007-07-02 Thread Gerson
Eu formatei o meu no windows xp com o explorer já pelo Linux ainda não 
experimentei estou fazendo testes para poder trocar de sistema operacional.





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  From: Fred Maranhão 
  To: Lista Debian 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:52 AM
  Subject: Re: off-topic - MP3-player corrompido





  2007/7/1, Gerson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Já tive um problema semelhante e resolvi formatando em FAT também resolve em
FAT32 mas pode apresentar problemas em alguns pontos.


  Mas como eu faço para formatar um dispositivo que não é detectado? ele não 
aparece no lsusb. 

  tem como eu forçar sabendo em qual porta usb (física) ele está?

  Paro por aqui, Fred

  PS: favor responder com cópia para mim.


Re: off-topic - MP3-player corrompido

2007-07-02 Thread Fred Maranhão

2007/7/2, Gerson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 Eu formatei o meu no windows xp com o explorer já pelo Linux ainda não
experimentei estou fazendo testes para poder trocar de sistema operacional.



O windows XP não enxerga o dispositivo. Nem windows nem linux.

Liguei para o suporte da Sandisk e fiz o seguinte teste. Tirar a pilha e
desconectado do computador, ficar apertando o botão 'menu' por mais de um
minuto. O cabra do suporte falou que isto iria esgotar a energia dele e
falê-lo voltar às configurações de fábrica. Infelizmente não funcionou.

   Fred


Re: off-topic - MP3-player corrompido

2007-07-02 Thread Márcio de Araújo Benedito

Em 02/07/07, Fred Maranhão[EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:

O windows XP não enxerga o dispositivo. Nem windows nem linux.

Liguei para o suporte da Sandisk e fiz o seguinte teste. Tirar a pilha e
desconectado do computador, ficar apertando o botão 'menu' por mais de um
minuto. O cabra do suporte falou que isto iria esgotar a energia dele e
falê-lo voltar às configurações de fábrica. Infelizmente não funcionou.


Parece que a memória do seu mp3 foi danificada. Com certeza o setor
onde fica o sistema operacional está dançado. Se for isso basta
recarregar a imagem original usando o CD que acompanha. Se você não
tem este CD procure arrumar emprestado ou fazer o download no site do
fabricante. Mas se a memoria toda foi danificada aí fica dificil, só
levando em um técnico em eletronica para ver se junta sucatas para
recuperar. EU costumo fazer isso, mas não tenho nenhuma sucata de
sandisk aqui ;(

Normalmente este problema ocorre porque a retirada sem desmontar pode
deixar uma descarga eletrica que é atraida pela memória, que
geralmente é um compact flash com um campo magnético altissimo.



Re: off-topic - MP3-player corrompido

2007-07-01 Thread Gerson
Já tive um problema semelhante e resolvi formatando em FAT também resolve em 
FAT32 mas pode apresentar problemas em alguns pontos.

A Sunday 01 July 2007 00:52:03, você escreveu:
 Gente,

 Tenho um MP3-player sansa m230, da sandisk. Ele monta automaticamente, mas
 não desmonta. hoje eu coloquei umas músicas nele e provavelmente
 desconectei antes de terminar a transferência de arquivos. Resultado, o
 dispositivo pirou.

 quando conecto o linux não detecta mais ele.

 Quando ligo ele fica entre duas telas de inicialização em loop infinito. a
 primeira mostra 'sandisk initializing' e a segunda 'sansa m230 512MB'.

 o botão 'menu', que servia para desligar, não está mais funcionando, mas
 descobrir que o botão 'hold' agora serve para desligar o bicho.

 O aplicativo que tem no site da sandisk (só para windows) também não
 funciona. nas instruções (
 http://www.sandisk.com/assets/File/pdf/retail/connect-recovery-instructions
.pdf) que eu encontrei na página (
 http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1532) diz que eu tenho que
 apertar uma sequencia de botões no dispositivo para aparecer uma mensagem
 'recovery needed'. mas nem esta mensagem aparece.

 Enfim. O dispositivo está totalmente inútil. alguma sugestão?

 Paro por aqui, Fred

 PS: favor respondam com cópia para mim.




Re: off-topic - MP3-player corrompido

2007-07-01 Thread João Olavo Baião de Vasconcelos

On 7/1/07, Fred Maranhão [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


quando conecto o linux não detecta mais ele.



Não detecta mesmo ou não monta?
Um lsusb não o mostra?

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Re: off-topic - MP3-player corrompido

2007-07-01 Thread Fred Maranhão

2007/7/1, Gerson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Já tive um problema semelhante e resolvi formatando em FAT também resolve
em
FAT32 mas pode apresentar problemas em alguns pontos.

Mas como eu faço para formatar um dispositivo que não é detectado? ele não

aparece no lsusb.

tem como eu forçar sabendo em qual porta usb (física) ele está?

   Paro por aqui, Fred

PS: favor responder com cópia para mim.


Re: off-topic - MP3-player corrompido

2007-07-01 Thread Fred Maranhão

2007/7/1, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


Citando Fred Maranhão [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



...


Tive um problema semelhante quando retirei meu mp3 sem desmontá-lo

(windows). Corrompi o sistema. Por sorte, veio um mini-cd com
aplicativos. Um deles serve para reinstalar o sistema. Corrigiu-se o
erro.



vou procurar este mini-CD.

Existe uma pagina na web onde o assunto principal eram os mp3.

Infelizmente não recordo o endereço.

Veja se isto de alguma forma te ajuda (algum torrent da vida...)

http://www.datadoctor.in/data-recovery-software/pen-drive-data-recovery-software.html

[]s

obs.: em uma maquina com Ubuntu, forçava o desmonte com o root...

no debian eu também forço o desmonte como root. mas desta vez eu não tinha

desmontado.


off-topic - MP3-player corrompido

2007-06-30 Thread Fred Maranhão

Gente,

Tenho um MP3-player sansa m230, da sandisk. Ele monta automaticamente, mas
não desmonta. hoje eu coloquei umas músicas nele e provavelmente desconectei
antes de terminar a transferência de arquivos. Resultado, o dispositivo
pirou.

quando conecto o linux não detecta mais ele.

Quando ligo ele fica entre duas telas de inicialização em loop infinito. a
primeira mostra 'sandisk initializing' e a segunda 'sansa m230 512MB'.

o botão 'menu', que servia para desligar, não está mais funcionando, mas
descobrir que o botão 'hold' agora serve para desligar o bicho.

O aplicativo que tem no site da sandisk (só para windows) também não
funciona. nas instruções (
http://www.sandisk.com/assets/File/pdf/retail/connect-recovery-instructions.pdf)
que eu encontrei na página (
http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1532) diz que eu tenho que
apertar uma sequencia de botões no dispositivo para aparecer uma mensagem
'recovery needed'. mas nem esta mensagem aparece.

Enfim. O dispositivo está totalmente inútil. alguma sugestão?

   Paro por aqui, Fred

PS: favor respondam com cópia para mim.


Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-19 Thread Dave Thayer
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:00:32PM -0500, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
 
 I should clarify what I mean by cheap: less than $20 or $30 is my goal.
 So, I'll do some trolling around eBay.
 
Geeks.com have some cheapie players, here's one for $26 which says it
works with linux:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-MP3-1GBcat=MP3

Disclaimer: I have no experience with this particular unit, but i have
purchased other cheap players at geeks.com in the past which were OK.

dt

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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-19 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 04/19/07 01:43, Dave Thayer wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:00:32PM -0500, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
 I should clarify what I mean by cheap: less than $20 or $30 is my goal.
 So, I'll do some trolling around eBay.

 Geeks.com have some cheapie players, here's one for $26 which says it
 works with linux:
 
 http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-MP3-1GBcat=MP3
 
 Disclaimer: I have no experience with this particular unit, but i have
 purchased other cheap players at geeks.com in the past which were OK.

Hmmm, and it even explicitly mentions Linux.

* Product Requirements:
* Pentium 200 MHz processor or greater
* Microsoft Windows 98/ME/2000/XP
* Mac OS X
* Linux 2.4.2 or higher
* CD-ROM drive (for software CD)
* Available USB port

If I were in the market for an MP3 player, I'd buy this one just for
that reason...

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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-19 Thread Mike Polyakov

On 04/19/07 01:43, Dave Thayer wrote:
 On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:00:32PM -0500, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
 I should clarify what I mean by cheap: less than $20 or $30 is my goal.
 So, I'll do some trolling around eBay.


I owe Sandisk Sansa player and it works magnificently with linux
kernel 2.6. I did encounter problems with kernel 2.4 though, with it
being too slow while transferring, but that was all rectified when I
upgraded to 2.6.

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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-19 Thread Michael Pobega
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:15:05AM -0500, Rob Wright wrote:
 On Monday 16 April 2007 10:24, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
  Hi folks,
 
  I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
  few but perhaps odd:
 
  - Cheap.
  - Used OK.
  - 512MB or larger OK.
  - Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2.
 
 
 [...]


Does anyone know of any good, inexpensive players with support for the
ogg audio format? I've burned all of my music to .ogg format and I'd
like to find a good music player that ISN'T Cowon America (Their
customer support is pathetic, I refuse to buy anything from them).


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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-19 Thread Andrew Perrin
I'm pretty happy with my Samsung YP-T7, which I got from overstock.com a 
while back. It has a voice recorder and an FM radio, both of which I use 
regularly, along with 512MB RAM which is plenty for my casual music use. 
The interface is OK, a little clunky but I can get used to it (and have). 
It plays MP3 and OGG natively. The USB interface is plain usb-storage so 
there are no hassles with moving files.


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On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Michael Pobega wrote:


On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 11:15:05AM -0500, Rob Wright wrote:

On Monday 16 April 2007 10:24, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:

Hi folks,

I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
few but perhaps odd:

- Cheap.
- Used OK.
- 512MB or larger OK.
- Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2.



[...]



Does anyone know of any good, inexpensive players with support for the
ogg audio format? I've burned all of my music to .ogg format and I'd
like to find a good music player that ISN'T Cowon America (Their
customer support is pathetic, I refuse to buy anything from them).


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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-19 Thread Benjamin A'Lee
On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 02:40:17PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
 Does anyone know of any good, inexpensive players with support for the
 ogg audio format? I've burned all of my music to .ogg format and I'd
 like to find a good music player that ISN'T Cowon America (Their
 customer support is pathetic, I refuse to buy anything from them).

The iRiver T30 (and presumably other models) cost me about 40GBP on Amazon
UK; it supports Ogg-Vorbis and (once a firmware upgrade is installed,
which requires Windows) appears as a USB storage device. I can recommend
it.

bma


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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-19 Thread Marc Shapiro

Dave Thayer wrote:

On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:00:32PM -0500, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
  

I should clarify what I mean by cheap: less than $20 or $30 is my goal.
So, I'll do some trolling around eBay.



Geeks.com have some cheapie players, here's one for $26 which says it
works with linux:

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=BLK-MP3-1GBcat=MP3

Disclaimer: I have no experience with this particular unit, but i have
purchased other cheap players at geeks.com in the past which were OK.

dt
  

Also at geeks.com is:

512MB SP-Advance USB2.0 MP4/MP3/Voice Digital Player 1 LCD

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=SP-MP363A-0062cpc=RECOM

Does anyone have any experience with this player.  It is a few dollars 
more than the one mentioned above, and only has 512MB, but it plays ogg 
files and mp4 video, as well as displaying jpeg files.  I doesn't say 
that it works with linux, but it also does not specify Windows (or any 
other OS).  Its requirements only mention a USB port and a CD-ROM 
drive.  It also does not say that it operates as a mass storage device, 
but...  So does anyone know, for sure, if it will just work on a linux 
box?


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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-18 Thread Dusty Wilson

On 4/16/07, Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
 few but perhaps odd:

 - Cheap.
 - Used OK.
 - 512MB or larger OK.
 - Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2.


On 4/17/07, Dusty Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In addition to what everyone else already said, don't forget about the
possibility of using a portable music player that has removable
storage (SD, etc) and you can use that memory for multiple purposes.
Plus you can upgrade your memory or swap cards whenever you feel like
it if you have more than one.  I use my SD card with a Treo 650 and
PocketTunes as well as portable document storage and transfer.


I forgot the important part of the SD card usage.  You can use the SD
card directly with your computer instead of needing to use sync
software or anything like that.  And if your computer doesn't come
with an SD card reader, you can get a great multi-format USB
SD/MMC/Sony/etc reader for USD$10 at Wal-Mart or online.

Dusty


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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-17 Thread Chris Lale
David E. Fox wrote:
 On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:24:46AM -0500, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
 Hi folks,

 I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
 few but perhaps odd:
 
 I ended up with an Iriver T30. It's like 59.95 at Sears on a 
 50% off (I think the retail was about 119.95). It's a gig, with
 decent battery life, very small, but still usable. It's not as 
 easy as expected to sync it with linux. It uses a microsoft 
 protocol. 

You can replace Archos, Iriver, Apple, Iaudio, Toshiba and other firmware with
an open source version from rockbox[1], but I am not sure about your particular
model.

If you go for an Ipod you can use the gtkpod[2] software.

[1] http://www.rockbox.org/
[2] http://www.gtkpod.org/about.html


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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-17 Thread Marty

Russell L. Harris wrote:


Beware:  Some of the larger Creative players require the use of
software such as gnomad.  But I think that this is not the case with
the ZEN NANO PLUS (usb 2.0, 1000 Mbyte).


True, although they lack .ogg support and you have to put .wav files in a 
special directory to play them.



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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-17 Thread Rob Wright
On Monday 16 April 2007 10:24, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
 Hi folks,

 I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
 few but perhaps odd:

 - Cheap.
 - Used OK.
 - 512MB or larger OK.
 - Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2.


I had almost the same specs in mind when I bought my SanDisk Sansa m240. 
They've come down in price since I bought mine, and you should be able to 
find a used one pretty easily.

I've got the 1GB and it works great. Does not play .ogg files, but I use the 
Transcribe script in Amarok to transfer them. Works great. Decent battery 
life on the single AAA.

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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-17 Thread Dusty Wilson

On 4/16/07, Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
few but perhaps odd:

- Cheap.
- Used OK.
- 512MB or larger OK.
- Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2.


In addition to what everyone else already said, don't forget about the
possibility of using a portable music player that has removable
storage (SD, etc) and you can use that memory for multiple purposes.
Plus you can upgrade your memory or swap cards whenever you feel like
it if you have more than one.  I use my SD card with a Treo 650 and
PocketTunes as well as portable document storage and transfer.

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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-17 Thread Reid Priedhorsky
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 05:01:55 +0200, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
 few but perhaps odd:
 
 - Cheap.

Hi folks,

Thanks for the help. Looks like I have some followup research to do.

I should clarify what I mean by cheap: less than $20 or $30 is my goal.
So, I'll do some trolling around eBay.

Take care,

Reid


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Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-16 Thread Reid Priedhorsky
Hi folks,

I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
few but perhaps odd:

- Cheap.
- Used OK.
- 512MB or larger OK.
- Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2.

Do you all have any suggestions?

Many thanks for any help,

Reid


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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-16 Thread David E. Fox
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:24:46AM -0500, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
 Hi folks,
 
 I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
 few but perhaps odd:

I ended up with an Iriver T30. It's like 59.95 at Sears on a 
50% off (I think the retail was about 119.95). It's a gig, with
decent battery life, very small, but still usable. It's not as 
easy as expected to sync it with linux. It uses a microsoft 
protocol. 

There is a way to flash the bios in the device to make it look just
like a USB mass storage device, play ogg files, etc. But that flashing
process requires Windows. I don't have windows. But the device does play
ogg files out of the box.

Oddly enough, if I plug it in, konqueror upens it up and I can see the
files. I just can't write to the device (drop files on the folder
representing the USB device). So, the preferred method (at least for
me), involving amarok and connecting right to the media player (absent
some Ruby scripts?) is not possible. 

The workaround is to use front-ends from libmtp (somewhere on
sourceforge SVN) and use commands like 'mtp-connect --sendfile from the
command line. It works well enough. 

 
 - Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2.

aaa x1. 

 Reid

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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-16 Thread Mike Dresser

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:


I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
few but perhaps odd:


I have a Sandisk e140, with 1 gb onboard, and uses up to a 2GB SD-card in 
the side.  Shows up as two disks, no special software needed to copy mp3's 
and the like.  Supports using it as a portable hard drive as well.  I 
believe it's limited to 2GB maximum on the SD card though, as it's a 
standard FAT16 format.


Uses a single AAA battery, and that lasts something like 15 hours, also 
can be run off the USB port if you modify a cable to not have data pins, 
or use one of those wallplug to USB adapters.


It also has a cheap FM tuner built in.

Believe they're well under $100 nowadays, if they're still made.

Mike


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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-16 Thread j m g

Try the Sandisk Sansa e200's they run from 1 to 8gb so they might hit your
price point somewhere along the way, don't use alkalines, but there is a
user replacable li-ion battery.  Also, rockbox.org just realeased their
firmware replacement in march for the e200 line.

I've only had mine for a couple of months but no issues so far.


On 4/16/07, Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi folks,

I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
few but perhaps odd:

- Cheap.
- Used OK.
- 512MB or larger OK.
- Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2.

Do you all have any suggestions?

Many thanks for any help,

Reid


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Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?

2007-04-16 Thread Russell L. Harris
* Reid Priedhorsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070416 13:28]:
 I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
 few but perhaps odd:
 
 - Cheap.
 - Used OK.
 - 512MB or larger OK.
 - Uses AAA or AA batteries, preferably 2.

The smaller Creative players are tiny, rugged, reliable, have
excellent audio quality, and transfer files without special software
(I use cp or midnight commander).  They are inexpensive: $50 to $100
list price.  They use a single AAA cell and typically run longer than
other brands of players.

MUVO TX :: usb 2.0, 256 Mbyte

MUVO TX FM :: usb 2.0, good FM tuner

Beware:  Some of the larger Creative players require the use of
software such as gnomad.  But I think that this is not the case with
the ZEN NANO PLUS (usb 2.0, 1000 Mbyte).



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[OT] Need to carry around 750 songs? (was Re: Recommend inexpensive MP3 player?)

2007-04-16 Thread Ron Johnson
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On 04/16/07 11:40, Mike Dresser wrote:
 On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:
 
 I would like to get an MP3 player to use with my Lenny box. My specs are
 few but perhaps odd:
 
 I have a Sandisk e140, with 1 gb onboard, and uses up to a 2GB SD-card
 in the side.  Shows up as two disks, no special software needed to copy
 mp3's and the like.  Supports using it as a portable hard drive as
 well.  I believe it's limited to 2GB maximum on the SD card though, as
 it's a standard FAT16 format.

3GB will hold 750 4MB songs.

Is the user interface so efficient that it's simple to work with
them?  How do you remember what's in all those playlists?

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