Re: Changing Boot Order
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:11:22 -0400 Alan McConnell wrote: > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:27:10AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > > > boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues > > > on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. > > > > Question: Are you using an USB keyboard ? > No, I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe. A white > cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at > the back of my standard case. > > I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard > is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one. Since > my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now, > I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to > the inadequacy of my present keyboard. > > I have taken the trouble to have excerpted some lines > from the beginning of my MSI User Guide, Chapter 3. > (the first two chapters give copious details on how > to install the physical motherboard into the computer > case). Here they are: > (start)-- > BIOS Setup > CLICK BIOS is a revolutionary EUFI that allows you to setup and > configure your system for optimum use. Using your mouse and > keyboard, users can change BIOS settings, monitor CPU temperature, > select the boot device priority, and view system information such > as such as the CPU name, DRAM capacity, the OS version and the > BIOS version. Users can import and export data for backup or for > sharing with friends. > > Entering Setup > The default settings offer the optimal performance for system > stability in normal conditions. . . . . > > Entering BIOS Setup > Power on the computer and the computer will enter the Power On > Self Test(POST) process. When the message below appears on the > screen, press Delete key to enter BIOS: > > Press to run BIOS setup, or to run boot menu > > (finish) >And there you have it. The last line of the excerpt >is exacly the text that appears on my screen. But >pressing the Delete key does not have any effect. >My complaint in a nutshell. > > Perhaps here I should mention the COMRESET error message that > appear on my boot screnn. After severl iterations of >COMRESET failed (errno=-16) > I get "giving up" and the boot proceeds as normal. I have done some > googling, and it seems that COMRESET refers to activating a > USB device. I have only my Canon printer attached to my computer > via a USB device. > > I am taking up a lot of message time here. But my question is a > very simple one: can one, after booting, and as root, change the > BIOS so that the machine will boot from a DVD if one is present, > or from a USB thumb device, if one is plugged in? You may simply not be pressing the Delete key *enough* (these things can be iffy at times). Try turning on the computer and mashing Delete as fast as possible. If that doesn't work, try *holding down* Delete. If that doesn't work, try repeatedly pressing Delete at a rate somewhere in between the two. If that *still* doesn't work, try every key you can think of in different combinations (slow, fast, etc.). A few to try- F2, Esc, F8, F11, and all the other Fs. Just play around with the keys until something happens. It can be something of a mystifying, Deep Magic and Wizardry experience. pgp7DGavFqti3.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:11:22 -0400 Alan McConnell wrote: > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:27:10AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > > > boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues > > > on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. > > > > Question: Are you using an USB keyboard ? > No, I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe. A white > cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at > the back of my standard case. > > I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard > is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one. Since > my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now, > I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to > the inadequacy of my present keyboard. > > I have taken the trouble to have excerpted some lines > from the beginning of my MSI User Guide, Chapter 3. > (the first two chapters give copious details on how > to install the physical motherboard into the computer > case). Here they are: > (start)-- > BIOS Setup > CLICK BIOS is a revolutionary EUFI that allows you to setup and > configure your system for optimum use. Using your mouse and > keyboard, users can change BIOS settings, monitor CPU temperature, > select the boot device priority, and view system information such > as such as the CPU name, DRAM capacity, the OS version and the > BIOS version. Users can import and export data for backup or for > sharing with friends. > > Entering Setup > The default settings offer the optimal performance for system > stability in normal conditions. . . . . > > Entering BIOS Setup > Power on the computer and the computer will enter the Power On > Self Test(POST) process. When the message below appears on the > screen, press Delete key to enter BIOS: > > Press to run BIOS setup, or to run boot menu > > (finish) >And there you have it. The last line of the excerpt >is exacly the text that appears on my screen. But >pressing the Delete key does not have any effect. >My complaint in a nutshell. > > Perhaps here I should mention the COMRESET error message that > appear on my boot screnn. After severl iterations of >COMRESET failed (errno=-16) > I get "giving up" and the boot proceeds as normal. I have done some > googling, and it seems that COMRESET refers to activating a > USB device. I have only my Canon printer attached to my computer > via a USB device. > > I am taking up a lot of message time here. But my question is a > very simple one: can one, after booting, and as root, change the > BIOS so that the machine will boot from a DVD if one is present, > or from a USB thumb device, if one is plugged in? > > TIA for anticipated help! > > Alan > On my current computer, you can't just press F2 once- you have to mash it to get anything to happen. Try that. pgpiMc4cj1F6p.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
On Sat 26 Mar 2016 at 22:44:36 (+), Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 26 March 2016 21:50:42 Felix Miata wrote: > > As long as PS/2 ports have existed, it's unfathomable that BIOS makers > > apparently still have not figured out how to have either port support a > > keyboard at POST time. Instead, many, or maybe most, have taken to > > providing only one, or none. > > I didn't know that the "wrong" one worked in the OS!! I last put the mouse > in > the keyboard one, and vice versa, in the days before they were colour coded, > when such errors were almost inevitable, and the result was that neither > worked in anything. So it didn't really matter, one just switched them > round. Since then I have been fanatically careful - and the colours make it > so easy. It is a revelation to me that a keyboard in the green PS2 > connection will work at all!! It all depends on the age of the motherboard. Another facility that's been around for years is running both a mouse and keyboard through a single PS/2 socket with a Y-connector. Cheers, David.
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Monday 28 March 2016 10:35:11 chrisb@localhost.localdomain wrote: > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 06:35:36PM +0100, jdd wrote: > > Le 26/03/2016 17:11, Alan McConnell a écrit : > > > Press to run BIOS setup, or to run boot menu > > ^^^ > Weird ... I guess that is supposed to be F11, which makes me wonder > is the shift key held down or what? Obviously. Shift-1 gives !. Presumably not on your keyboard. Lisi
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 06:35:36PM +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 26/03/2016 17:11, Alan McConnell a écrit : > > > Press to run BIOS setup, or to run boot menu ^^^ Weird ... I guess that is supposed to be F11, which makes me wonder is the shift key held down or what? -- The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. -- Malcolm X
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:11:22 -0400 Alan McConnell wrote: > I am taking up a lot of message time here. But my question is a > very simple one: can one, after booting, and as root, change the > BIOS so that the machine will boot from a DVD if one is present, > or from a USB thumb device, if one is plugged in? If your system uses UEFI and has EFI boot manager entries for CD/DVD and USB, then you can manipulate the order with efibootmgr. Use 'efibootmgr -n' to change the boot order for the next boot only. I'm not sure how to create a new entry for a device like a USB stick, though. Petter -- "I'm ionized" "Are you sure?" "I'm positive."
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
Lisi Reisz composed on 2016-03-26 22:44 (UTC): > I didn't know that the "wrong" one worked in the OS!! I wasn't conscious of any such thing. Alan proved it does at least in Wheezy. > I last put the mouse in > the keyboard one, and vice versa, in the days before they were colour coded, > when such errors were almost inevitable, and the result was that neither > worked in anything. So it didn't really matter, one just switched them > round. Since then I have been fanatically careful - and the colours make it > so easy. Not so easy for those of use stuck using keyboards 25 years or more old. Everything newer either has Function keys in the wrong place for touch typing[1], or screwball cursor pads[2]. > It is a revelation to me that a keyboard in the green PS2 > connection will work at all!! Me too! [1] Function keys for touch typists shown here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northgate_Computers#/media/File:Omnikey102p3248.jpg [2] "screwball" cursor pad https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Gatewayanykey.jpg/1280px-Gatewayanykey.jpg -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
On Saturday 26 March 2016 21:50:42 Felix Miata wrote: > Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-26 14:57 (UTC-0400): > >...I think it fortunate > > that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of... > > Please, let's not think of me so much expert as experienced. I can't count > the times I've fumbled a keyboard connector into the top port and found the > BIOS yammering keyboard failure. If I was a true expert it wouldn't have > taken me nearly two days to recognize you did the equivalent, or typed > purple when my brain knew green before sending my first thread reply of the > day. > > As long as PS/2 ports have existed, it's unfathomable that BIOS makers > apparently still have not figured out how to have either port support a > keyboard at POST time. Instead, many, or maybe most, have taken to > providing only one, or none. I didn't know that the "wrong" one worked in the OS!! I last put the mouse in the keyboard one, and vice versa, in the days before they were colour coded, when such errors were almost inevitable, and the result was that neither worked in anything. So it didn't really matter, one just switched them round. Since then I have been fanatically careful - and the colours make it so easy. It is a revelation to me that a keyboard in the green PS2 connection will work at all!! So you have taught me something too, Felix. (Not for the first time. :-) ) Lisi
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-26 14:57 (UTC-0400): ...I think it fortunate that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of... Please, let's not think of me so much expert as experienced. I can't count the times I've fumbled a keyboard connector into the top port and found the BIOS yammering keyboard failure. If I was a true expert it wouldn't have taken me nearly two days to recognize you did the equivalent, or typed purple when my brain knew green before sending my first thread reply of the day. As long as PS/2 ports have existed, it's unfathomable that BIOS makers apparently still have not figured out how to have either port support a keyboard at POST time. Instead, many, or maybe most, have taken to providing only one, or none. -- Happiness is providing a solution for a baffling problem. Me :-) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
Alan McConnell wrote: ... > Yes. My keyboard was plugged into the _green_ port. (my > mouse is elsewhere). So I shut down, changed my keyboard > cord to the purple port . . . Voila! That did the > trick. I can now press F11 and Del and both work as > the manual says they should. Even the mouse, to my surprise, > makes its appearance. > > Mr Miata(should I write Signor? or Senor?), many thanks! > and I congratulate(and envy!) you for being so perceptive. > > And I thank all the rest of the debian-user membership > for being patient with me, and also thanks to those of you > who concerned youselves with this problem. It seems to me > that it wasn't an obvious problem given that so many > erroneous suggestions were made. I think it fortunate > that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of > Mr Mieta. great news! glad you got it working. :) songbird
Re: Changing Boot Order -- Happiness!
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 01:53:17PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > *If* your motherboard has two round ports, stacked or side by side > depending on your orientation, it's time to take another look at > your motherboard's manual, in particular, the "Back Panel Quick > Guide" or similar that depicts the rear view of the ports. You > should see labels on the left end for the round PS/2 ports. The > upper is for a mouse. The lower is for the keyboard. The actual > mouse port should be green in color, the keyboard port purple. Yes. My keyboard was plugged into the _green_ port. (my mouse is elsewhere). So I shut down, changed my keyboard cord to the purple port . . . Voila! That did the trick. I can now press F11 and Del and both work as the manual says they should. Even the mouse, to my surprise, makes its appearance. Mr Miata(should I write Signor? or Senor?), many thanks! and I congratulate(and envy!) you for being so perceptive. And I thank all the rest of the debian-user membership for being patient with me, and also thanks to those of you who concerned youselves with this problem. It seems to me that it wasn't an obvious problem given that so many erroneous suggestions were made. I think it fortunate that this E-list contains an expert of the quality of Mr Mieta. Best wishes, Alan -- Alan McConnell : http://globaltap.com/~alan/ "It is a great advantage for a system of philosophy to be substantially true." (Sophia Loren)
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Sat 26 Mar 2016 at 12:11:22 (-0400), Alan McConnell wrote: > On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:27:10AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > > > boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues > > > on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. > > > > Question: Are you using an USB keyboard ? > No, I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe. A white > cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at > the back of my standard case. Belief doesn't cut it. Nor does the colour. It would be more helpful to know that the plug is circular and about 1cm in diameter. If that is so, check whether there's a PS/2 mouse as well, and that it's plugged into the correct socket. (There are drivers that can cope with reversed mouse/keyboard, but not the BIOS.) Even if it is, you might try it in the wrong socket. > I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard > is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one. Since > my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now, > I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to > the inadequacy of my present keyboard. Neither do I. That's not the point. >And there you have it. The last line of the excerpt >is exacly the text that appears on my screen. But >pressing the Delete key does not have any effect. >My complaint in a nutshell. > > Perhaps here I should mention the COMRESET error message that > appear on my boot screnn. After severl iterations of >COMRESET failed (errno=-16) > I get "giving up" and the boot proceeds as normal. I have done some > googling, and it seems that COMRESET refers to activating a > USB device. I have only my Canon printer attached to my computer > via a USB device. I take it that you've removed this device before booting? > I am taking up a lot of message time here. But my question is a > very simple one: can one, after booting, and as root, change the > BIOS so that the machine will boot from a DVD if one is present, > or from a USB thumb device, if one is plugged in? There are lots of experts here, I'm sure. However, there are better places for posting your problem. At this stage, Debian is not even involved. (BTW trying to provoke an error by sitting something on the keyboard, or indeed disconnecting it altogether, could be a useful diagnostic.) Cheers, David.
Re: Changing Boot Order (correction)
Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-26 12:11 (UTC-0400): I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe. A white cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at the back of my standard case. *If* your motherboard has two round ports, stacked or side by side depending on your orientation, it's time to take another look at your motherboard's manual, in particular, the "Back Panel Quick Guide" or similar that depicts the rear view of the ports. You should see labels on the left end for the round PS/2 ports. The upper is for a mouse. The lower is for the keyboard. The actual mouse port should be green in color, the keyboard port purple. Operating systems may not care which port you plug a keyboard into, but the BIOS does. Most BIOS show an error message in POST if the keyboard is plugged into the *green* port, especially if you have a mouse plugged into the other/purple round port. What color is your motherboard's "top orifice"? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Changing Boot Order
Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-26 12:11 (UTC-0400): I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe. A white cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at the back of my standard case. *If* your motherboard has two round ports, stacked or side by side depending on your orientation, it's time to take another look at your motherboard's manual, in particular, the "Back Panel Quick Guide" or similar that depicts the rear view of the ports. You should see labels on the left end for the round PS/2 ports. The upper is for a mouse. The lower is for the keyboard. The actual mouse port should be green in color, the keyboard port purple. Operating systems may not care which port you plug a keyboard into, but the BIOS does. Most BIOS show an error message in POST if the keyboard is plugged into the purple port, especially if you have a mouse plugged into the other round port. What color is your motherboard's "top orifice"? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Changing Boot Order
On 26 March 2016 at 16:53, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 26 March 2016 16:11:22 Alan McConnell wrote: > > I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard > > is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one. Since > > my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now, > > I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to > > the inadequacy of my present keyboard. > > We are looking for possible explanations. A problem with your keyboard > (from > the BIOS's point of view, not yours) is a likely explanation. If you > refuse > to try the suggestions made, on the grounds that you know that they are > wrong, it is difficult to help you. > > In your position I would try several different keyboards of several > different > types. As many as possible. If you can't lay your hands on another > keyboard, then you may be stuck. Do none of the suggestions that do not > involve keyboards help? > > Can you get someone to show you the repeated-clicking method to make sure > that > you are doing it correctly? > > Perhaps your motherboard is the thing that is faulty There is > something > wrong with something. > > Have you thought of upgrading my simply upgrading? On my AMD 3400 box I had to use the bios manually every time I wanted to boot linux - the grub menu would not spontaneously appear. But upgrading to debian jessie and beyond somehow cured the problem. Regds MF > Though make sure you know > what to do before you do it. > > Lisi > > -- Climostat Ltd Rm 5169 The Heath Business & Technical Park The Heath Runcorn Cheshire WA7 4QX Tel. 01 928 515 015
Re: Changing Boot Order
On 25 March 2016 at 21:01, Alan McConnell wrote: > First, thanks for all the responses. They fell into two classes: > those who advised repeating tapping/pressing on either the F!! > key or the Delete key. I've done that dozens of times, and > received no responses. And I can't change the screen which > asks me which kernel I want to boot. I get the top entry, and > that's that. > > Others have suggested changing /etc/default/grub. I've tried > that too, and have run 'update-grub' afterward. It doesn't seem > to have done anything. Perhaps someone can post an example of > an /etc/default/grub where the boot order is explicitly described? > > I have found the paper manual for this, aftee some searching. > It is labeled like the picture that appears on the boot., except > that it has Z97 and H97 on the bottom, and is labeled User Guide > It doesn't assume any kind of problem with accessing the boot > menu. But it does give a URL for Tech Support: register.msi.com . > There you have to sign up. I've tried to sign up, but without > success. > > There you have it. I'm stymied on all fronts. Again I plea > for help! > Maybe you could try this: http://www.cnet.com/uk/how-to/how-to-change-the-boot-order-of-a-dual-boot-linux-pc/ ie use an ubuntu package called StartUp-Manager also see the grub cusomizer package used in ubuntu produced by Daniel Richter: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1664134 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gaImxC-grU It can change boot order. There is another package for Ubuntu called rEFind that might be helpful: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refind/ http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/index.html MF There are some extra suggestions here: http://www.zdnet.com/article/seven-ways-to-set-up-multi-booting-with-windows-8-and-linux/ Regds MF > > TIA, > > Alan > > -- > Alan McConnell : http://globaltap.com/~alan/ >"Women run for office to do something, and men run for >office to be somebody." (Debbie Walsh) > >
Re: Changing Boot Order
Le 26/03/2016 17:11, Alan McConnell a écrit : Press to run BIOS setup, or to run boot menu (finish) And there you have it. The last line of the excerpt is exacly the text that appears on my screen. But pressing the Delete key does not have any effect. My complaint in a nutshell. a system I used often with success is to slip my hand on the keyboard during boot, to trigger a keyboard error, this very often send you to the Firmware (BIOS or UEFI). Same on function keys, just in case the manual is wrong. at least it should beep. If not may be the keyboard is broken jdd
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Saturday 26 March 2016 16:11:22 Alan McConnell wrote: > I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard > is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one. Since > my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now, > I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to > the inadequacy of my present keyboard. We are looking for possible explanations. A problem with your keyboard (from the BIOS's point of view, not yours) is a likely explanation. If you refuse to try the suggestions made, on the grounds that you know that they are wrong, it is difficult to help you. In your position I would try several different keyboards of several different types. As many as possible. If you can't lay your hands on another keyboard, then you may be stuck. Do none of the suggestions that do not involve keyboards help? Can you get someone to show you the repeated-clicking method to make sure that you are doing it correctly? Perhaps your motherboard is the thing that is faulty There is something wrong with something. Have you thought of upgrading my simply upgrading? Though make sure you know what to do before you do it. Lisi
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 08:27:10AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues > > on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. > > Question: Are you using an USB keyboard ? No, I am using a PS2 keyboard, I believe. A white cable from the keyboard back into the top orifice at the back of my standard case. I have been told by a kind responder that my keyboard is inadequate, and I should borro(buy?) a new one. Since my present keyboard works fine for all purposes up to now, I don't see why my difficulty should be attributable to the inadequacy of my present keyboard. I have taken the trouble to have excerpted some lines from the beginning of my MSI User Guide, Chapter 3. (the first two chapters give copious details on how to install the physical motherboard into the computer case). Here they are: (start)-- BIOS Setup CLICK BIOS is a revolutionary EUFI that allows you to setup and configure your system for optimum use. Using your mouse and keyboard, users can change BIOS settings, monitor CPU temperature, select the boot device priority, and view system information such as such as the CPU name, DRAM capacity, the OS version and the BIOS version. Users can import and export data for backup or for sharing with friends. Entering Setup The default settings offer the optimal performance for system stability in normal conditions. . . . . Entering BIOS Setup Power on the computer and the computer will enter the Power On Self Test(POST) process. When the message below appears on the screen, press Delete key to enter BIOS: Press to run BIOS setup, or to run boot menu (finish) And there you have it. The last line of the excerpt is exacly the text that appears on my screen. But pressing the Delete key does not have any effect. My complaint in a nutshell. Perhaps here I should mention the COMRESET error message that appear on my boot screnn. After severl iterations of COMRESET failed (errno=-16) I get "giving up" and the boot proceeds as normal. I have done some googling, and it seems that COMRESET refers to activating a USB device. I have only my Canon printer attached to my computer via a USB device. I am taking up a lot of message time here. But my question is a very simple one: can one, after booting, and as root, change the BIOS so that the machine will boot from a DVD if one is present, or from a USB thumb device, if one is plugged in? TIA for anticipated help! Alan -- Alan McConnell : http://globaltap.com/~alan/ "It is a great advantage for a system of philosophy to be substantially true." (Sophia Loren)
Re: Changing Boot Order
> boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues > on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. Question: Are you using an USB keyboard ? I remember having the problem some time back, where a default setting of the BIOS had to be changed to enable the BIOS to control USB. And of course you could not access the BIOS with a USB keyboard until the setting had been changed. (Catch 22 anyone ?) The solution then was to borrow a PS2 keyboard for the initial BIOS setting process. Cheers, Ron. -- Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never cease to be amused. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --
Re: Changing Boot Order
Alan McConnell a écrit : > > I am running wheezy, and would like to upgrade to jessie. To > that end I've bought a CD and a USB stick from LinuxCollections. > My problem: when booting I can't get into my bios to change the > boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues > on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. I won't answer your question but juste make two comments. 1) Why do you want to boot the Debian Jessie installer ? You don't need it to upgrade your Wheezy installation to Jessie, only to reinstall a new system. 2) You can boot the Debian installer from the boot loader installed on the system disk. The installer has a kernel image (vmlinuz) and initramfs (initrd.gz) just like any other Linux system.
Re: Changing Boot Order
Le 25/03/2016 23:52, Michael Fothergill a écrit : Try this: http://www.easyuefi.com/index-us.html It says it can be installed on linux machines. don't think so. It's a windows app that can also manage linux uefi entries on nvram (not tested with wine?) jdd
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Friday 25 March 2016 23:31:34 Doug wrote: > On 03/25/2016 07:16 PM, Alan McConnell wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 06:04:12PM -0400, songbird wrote: > >>i just tried this to make sure it worked as described > >> and it worked so i'm not sure what you didn't do correctly. > >> > >>when your grub boot screen flashes there will be a list > >> of entries to select. the default if you haven't changed > >> anything is 0. i.e. the first item on that list. > > > >OK, I must apologize. Massive confusion here. > >You are telling me which of the several kernels > >I have that I can boot. But when I wrote "Boot Order" > >I was referring to being able to boot first from > >the flash drive, then from the DVD drive, and > >then, if there isn't a bootable flash drive inserted, > >then the BIOS will check if there is a bootable DVD > >inserted . . . Only if there is no bootable USB thumb > >drive inserted, or a bootable DVD, will the OS move > >on to boot one of the kernels you have. > > > >I have a DVD, containing the first DVD of the Debian > >jessie, and a USB stick, which I believe contains the > >rest of jessie , and I wish to install jessie using > >these purchases. But I can't if I can't get anything > >to boot except the old wheezy kernels that have been > >on my system for ever. > > > >Sorry for the confusion. > > > > Alan > > Perhaps I am not understanding the problem, but boot order for _devices_ > (not kernels or operating systems) is controlled by > the computer BIOS. When you turn on the computer, there is usually some > sort of message that says what key to press to > access the BIOS setup routines. If there is not, the usual suspects are > Del, or F2, or perhaps Esc. If you have the manual > for your machine (or the MOBO in it) it should tell you. Some computers > are a bit fussy about exactly _when_ you press > the key, so if it doesn't seem to work, try again. And however much the keyboard you have lights up, try another keyboard or two or there, preferably of different types, if at all possible including a PS2 one. Lisi
Re: Changing Boot Order
Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-25 19:21 (UTC-0400): When I turn on the computer, the keyboard lights up just fine. And everything else works fine. It is just that I can't boot from anything but my /boot, with its functioning grub. In other words, the computer works fine, except that it can boot only from the SW I have in my /boot and /boot/grub directories. So apparently what you need to do is get into BIOS setup, and change the boot device priority order to make DVD and/or USB higher priority than HD. In my MSI military class motherboard BIOS it can be done with mouse on the "boot device priority bar", which starts just a little bit below the great big digital clock top center. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Changing Boot Order
On 03/25/2016 07:16 PM, Alan McConnell wrote: On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 06:04:12PM -0400, songbird wrote: i just tried this to make sure it worked as described and it worked so i'm not sure what you didn't do correctly. when your grub boot screen flashes there will be a list of entries to select. the default if you haven't changed anything is 0. i.e. the first item on that list. OK, I must apologize. Massive confusion here. You are telling me which of the several kernels I have that I can boot. But when I wrote "Boot Order" I was referring to being able to boot first from the flash drive, then from the DVD drive, and then, if there isn't a bootable flash drive inserted, then the BIOS will check if there is a bootable DVD inserted . . . Only if there is no bootable USB thumb drive inserted, or a bootable DVD, will the OS move on to boot one of the kernels you have. I have a DVD, containing the first DVD of the Debian jessie, and a USB stick, which I believe contains the rest of jessie , and I wish to install jessie using these purchases. But I can't if I can't get anything to boot except the old wheezy kernels that have been on my system for ever. Sorry for the confusion. Alan Perhaps I am not understanding the problem, but boot order for _devices_ (not kernels or operating systems) is controlled by the computer BIOS. When you turn on the computer, there is usually some sort of message that says what key to press to access the BIOS setup routines. If there is not, the usual suspects are Del, or F2, or perhaps Esc. If you have the manual for your machine (or the MOBO in it) it should tell you. Some computers are a bit fussy about exactly _when_ you press the key, so if it doesn't seem to work, try again. --doug
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 05:44:52PM -0430, Jhon Prada wrote: > > HI don't waste your time with Debian explanations. Plug the keyboard and > see if the lights are lighting. If don't, it's the keyboard that is not > activating in the boot. Look for another keyboard or plug into another > port and turns on the computer. If the light is on, press f11 some some > times until appear a menú with your boot drives When I turn on the computer, the keyboard lights up just fine. And everything else works fine. It is just that I can't boot from anything but my /boot, with its functioning grub. In other words, the computer works fine, except that it can boot only from the SW I have in my /boot and /boot/grub directories. Alan -- Alan McConnell : http://globaltap.com/~alan/ "Women run for office to do something, and men run for office to be somebody." (Debbie Walsh)
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 06:04:12PM -0400, songbird wrote: > > i just tried this to make sure it worked as described > and it worked so i'm not sure what you didn't do correctly. > > when your grub boot screen flashes there will be a list > of entries to select. the default if you haven't changed > anything is 0. i.e. the first item on that list. OK, I must apologize. Massive confusion here. You are telling me which of the several kernels I have that I can boot. But when I wrote "Boot Order" I was referring to being able to boot first from the flash drive, then from the DVD drive, and then, if there isn't a bootable flash drive inserted, then the BIOS will check if there is a bootable DVD inserted . . . Only if there is no bootable USB thumb drive inserted, or a bootable DVD, will the OS move on to boot one of the kernels you have. I have a DVD, containing the first DVD of the Debian jessie, and a USB stick, which I believe contains the rest of jessie , and I wish to install jessie using these purchases. But I can't if I can't get anything to boot except the old wheezy kernels that have been on my system for ever. Sorry for the confusion. Alan -- Alan McConnell : http://globaltap.com/~alan/ "Women run for office to do something, and men run for office to be somebody." (Debbie Walsh)
Re: Changing Boot Order
On 25 March 2016 at 21:01, Alan McConnell wrote: > First, thanks for all the responses. They fell into two classes: > those who advised repeating tapping/pressing on either the F!! > key or the Delete key. I've done that dozens of times, and > received no responses. And I can't change the screen which > asks me which kernel I want to boot. I get the top entry, and > that's that. > > Others have suggested changing /etc/default/grub. I've tried > that too, and have run 'update-grub' afterward. It doesn't seem > to have done anything. Perhaps someone can post an example of > an /etc/default/grub where the boot order is explicitly described? > > I have found the paper manual for this, aftee some searching. > It is labeled like the picture that appears on the boot., except > that it has Z97 and H97 on the bottom, and is labeled User Guide > It doesn't assume any kind of problem with accessing the boot > menu. But it does give a URL for Tech Support: register.msi.com . > There you have to sign up. I've tried to sign up, but without > success. > > There you have it. I'm stymied on all fronts. Again I plea > for help! > Try this: http://www.easyuefi.com/index-us.html It says it can be installed on linux machines. Regds Michael > > TIA, > > Alan > > -- > Alan McConnell : http://globaltap.com/~alan/ >"Women run for office to do something, and men run for >office to be somebody." (Debbie Walsh) > > -- Climostat Ltd Rm 5169 The Heath Business & Technical Park The Heath Runcorn Cheshire WA7 4QX Tel. 01 928 515 015
Re: Changing Boot Order
El 25 mar. 2016 5:36 PM, "songbird" escribió: > > Alan McConnell wrote: > ... > > Others have suggested changing /etc/default/grub. I've tried > > that too, and have run 'update-grub' afterward. It doesn't seem > > to have done anything. Perhaps someone can post an example of > > an /etc/default/grub where the boot order is explicitly described? > > i just tried this to make sure it worked as described > and it worked so i'm not sure what you didn't do correctly. > > when your grub boot screen flashes there will be a list > of entries to select. the default if you haven't changed > anything is 0. i.e. the first item on that list. > > so to boot a different selection you edit /etc/default/grub > the line that mentions GRUB_DEFAULT and change the 0 to some > other number. > > in my case i have four entries. so to test another i > picked the entry 2 (which is really 3 on the list on the > screen). then did update-grub (as root). worked. > > > songbird > HI don't waste your time with Debian explanations. Plug the keyboard and see if the lights are lighting. If don't, it's the keyboard that is not activating in the boot. Look for another keyboard or plug into another port and turns on the computer. If the light is on, press f11 some some times until appear a menú with your boot drives
Re: Changing Boot Order
Alan McConnell wrote: ... > Others have suggested changing /etc/default/grub. I've tried > that too, and have run 'update-grub' afterward. It doesn't seem > to have done anything. Perhaps someone can post an example of > an /etc/default/grub where the boot order is explicitly described? i just tried this to make sure it worked as described and it worked so i'm not sure what you didn't do correctly. when your grub boot screen flashes there will be a list of entries to select. the default if you haven't changed anything is 0. i.e. the first item on that list. so to boot a different selection you edit /etc/default/grub the line that mentions GRUB_DEFAULT and change the 0 to some other number. in my case i have four entries. so to test another i picked the entry 2 (which is really 3 on the list on the screen). then did update-grub (as root). worked. songbird
Re: Changing Boot Order
First, thanks for all the responses. They fell into two classes: those who advised repeating tapping/pressing on either the F!! key or the Delete key. I've done that dozens of times, and received no responses. And I can't change the screen which asks me which kernel I want to boot. I get the top entry, and that's that. Others have suggested changing /etc/default/grub. I've tried that too, and have run 'update-grub' afterward. It doesn't seem to have done anything. Perhaps someone can post an example of an /etc/default/grub where the boot order is explicitly described? I have found the paper manual for this, aftee some searching. It is labeled like the picture that appears on the boot., except that it has Z97 and H97 on the bottom, and is labeled User Guide It doesn't assume any kind of problem with accessing the boot menu. But it does give a URL for Tech Support: register.msi.com . There you have to sign up. I've tried to sign up, but without success. There you have it. I'm stymied on all fronts. Again I plea for help! TIA, Alan -- Alan McConnell : http://globaltap.com/~alan/ "Women run for office to do something, and men run for office to be somebody." (Debbie Walsh)
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Thu 24 Mar 2016 at 16:44:54 (-0400), Alan McConnell wrote: > Assembled Wisdom! > > I am running wheezy, and would like to upgrade to jessie. To > that end I've bought a CD and a USB stick from LinuxCollections. > My problem: when booting I can't get into my bios to change the > boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues > on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. > > Details: my motherboard is a "Military Class Motherboard", which > I believe is also called MSI. When the image flashed on the screen, > only for a few seconds, I see at the bottom instructions to press > either the F11 key, or the Delete key. But when I press either of > these, nothing happens. So my question is: can I change the boot > order from withing wheezy, after I have booted and wheezy is already > in use? On a Dell, by the time you see the message, it's a bit late for pressing F12 (as it happens) to get a one-time boot menu. You really need to start tapping the key repeatedly as soon as the screen displays anything. Ditto for F2 (your DEL) to get to the BIOS. Cheers, David.
Re: Changing Boot Order
Alan McConnell composed on 2016-03-24 16:44 (UTC-0400): I am running wheezy, and would like to upgrade to jessie. To that end I've bought a CD and a USB stick from LinuxCollections. My problem: when booting I can't get into my bios to change the boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. Details: my motherboard is a "Military Class Motherboard", which I believe is also called MSI MSI is a motherboard brand. Military Class is a feature class MSI marketing uses. I have one such: https://us.msi.com/product/motherboard/B85-G41-PC-Mate.html ... [ Yes, I should have saved the material that came with my machine. But I have recently moved, quite hurriedly, and I fear that the paper manuals were lost. ] If indeed yours is a MSI motherboard, which is probably fairly obvious early in POST, then pop the cover, find the model number stenciled largely on it, and find a PDF manual on MSI's web site. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
Re: Changing Boot Order
On Thursday 24 March 2016 20:44:54 Alan McConnell wrote: > Assembled Wisdom! > > I am running wheezy, and would like to upgrade to jessie. To > that end I've bought a CD and a USB stick from LinuxCollections. > My problem: when booting I can't get into my bios to change the > boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues > on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. > > Details: my motherboard is a "Military Class Motherboard", which > I believe is also called MSI. When the image flashed on the screen, > only for a few seconds, I see at the bottom instructions to press > either the F11 key, or the Delete key. But when I press either of > these, nothing happens. So my question is: can I change the boot > order from withing wheezy, after I have booted and wheezy is already > in use? > > [ Yes, I should have saved the material that came with my machine. > But I have recently moved, quite hurriedly, and I fear that the paper > manuals were lost. ] To answer the question you didn't ask, when you press F11 or Del, do you press once and hope? If so, press the start button, and press Del continuously, immediately, until it has either ignored you and booted, or brought up the BIOS. If that doesn't work, try again with F11. Again, as you press the start button start continuously pressing F11 until it has either brought up the boot menu or ignored you. Ideally with a PS2 keyboard. I have had problems even with a USB keyboard, and a wireless one for that purpose is certainly a no-no. The answer to your actual question is that I don't know. :-( Lisi Lisi
Re: Changing Boot Order
Alan McConnell wrote: > Assembled Wisdom! > > I am running wheezy, and would like to upgrade to jessie. To > that end I've bought a CD and a USB stick from LinuxCollections. > My problem: when booting I can't get into my bios to change the > boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues > on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. > > Details: my motherboard is a "Military Class Motherboard", which > I believe is also called MSI. When the image flashed on the screen, > only for a few seconds, I see at the bottom instructions to press > either the F11 key, or the Delete key. But when I press either of > these, nothing happens. So my question is: can I change the boot > order from withing wheezy, after I have booted and wheezy is already > in use? > > [ Yes, I should have saved the material that came with my machine. > But I have recently moved, quite hurriedly, and I fear that the paper > manuals were lost. ] > > Thanks in advance for all help and suggestions! yes, it is in grub you can change which is booted first. the file: /etc/default/grub (make backup copy if you make changes you are unsure about) songbird
Re: Changing Boot Order
On 24 March 2016 at 20:44, Alan McConnell wrote: > Assembled Wisdom! > > I am running wheezy, and would like to upgrade to jessie. To > that end I've bought a CD and a USB stick from LinuxCollections. > My problem: when booting I can't get into my bios to change the > boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues > on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. > > Details: my motherboard is a "Military Class Motherboard", which > I believe is also called MSI. When the image flashed on the screen, > only for a few seconds, I see at the bottom instructions to press > either the F11 key, or the Delete key. But when I press either of > these, nothing happens. Try hitting the F11 key twice and then quickly move to the delete key and hit it twice as well. That works for mine. Regds MF > So my question is: can I change the boot > order from withing wheezy, after I have booted and wheezy is already > in use? > > [ Yes, I should have saved the material that came with my machine. > But I have recently moved, quite hurriedly, and I fear that the paper > manuals were lost. ] > > Thanks in advance for all help and suggestions! > > Alan > > -- > Alan McConnell : http://globaltap.com/~alan/ >"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography."(Bierce) >Know thyself. If you need help, call the C.I.A. > > -- Climostat Ltd Rm 5169 The Heath Business & Technical Park The Heath Runcorn Cheshire WA7 4QX Tel. 01 928 515 015
Re: Changing Boot Order
Greetings, I don't have an answer to your question but maybe sharing a personal experience will help with the problem entering bios setup. I recently had the same issue using a wireless keyboard and discovered the system only responded to a hardwired keyboard at that point in the boot process. By using a USB keyboard instead of the wireless, I was able to enter setup and change the boot order. HTH Tom Ashley On 03/24/2016 04:44 PM, Alan McConnell wrote: Assembled Wisdom! I am running wheezy, and would like to upgrade to jessie. To that end I've bought a CD and a USB stick from LinuxCollections. My problem: when booting I can't get into my bios to change the boot order. No matter what key I press, the system continues on with a re-boot of my old wheezy. Details: my motherboard is a "Military Class Motherboard", which I believe is also called MSI. When the image flashed on the screen, only for a few seconds, I see at the bottom instructions to press either the F11 key, or the Delete key. But when I press either of these, nothing happens. So my question is: can I change the boot order from withing wheezy, after I have booted and wheezy is already in use? [ Yes, I should have saved the material that came with my machine. But I have recently moved, quite hurriedly, and I fear that the paper manuals were lost. ] Thanks in advance for all help and suggestions! Alan
