Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
On 02.07.24 02:57, George at Clug wrote: I wanted to know "how to configure and use Wine to run a Windows program". And that's why you should try out Bottles, because it's not just plain Wine. If you succeed with it, you can check the source code, what exactly they are doing that enables better success rates. E.g. they offer some sort of a desktop to run programs inside. In a few cases this helps solve some issues. No specific programs in mind, but MS Office could be an example. Afaik, this can only be possible with Crossover, my guess is they use some closed source components that allow to run even MS Office or Adobes Suite. But for everyone else, if you don't use dirt old versions of these programs, it's just impossible to run them as they are very stubborn about not to run on anything but Windows and macOS, no matter how hard you try. There are YouTube videos of people showing off that they succeed with this, but of course they never share how. So either these are just fake or they found a way to tell which dlls the programs are missing and just copied them from an existing Windows installation. Who knows. So you are better of trying apps that have an actual chance of ever being able to run on Linux. Maybe a good starting point is KeePass. Officially only supports Windows, but with explicit support for Mono, and Debian even has a package that sets up the Wine environment to run it inside. As Mario pointed, one example would be to have a modern web browser with DRM. DRM is already present in various browsers, just not necessarily the highest level. But question is if that can even be emulated. Because if it was that easy, there would be guides for that. Many games are only released as Windows programs. Fortunately Steam has achieved amazing results for running Windows games in Linux. True. That's what Proton is for, with a mix of DXVK and the sorts. At this stage I am only testing the concept, to see what is possible, what works, and what does not work. That's what Wine's AppDB is for: https://appdb.winehq.org/ To see what I need to understand so I can configure Wine for any given Windows application. That's just a naive dream, and it's highly questionable if that will ever be possible, most likely not. There are just too many programs depending on bad design decisions of Windows, like allowing just any terribly written Kernel level driver to do whatever the hell it wants. Valve is only this successful with Proton because they e.g. hired Collabora to develop and upstream APIs for the Linux Kernel to handle system calls Linux doesn't and will never support. Better stick to what's known to be supported, unless you want to develop for Wine itself. If you want to run a program with it, most likely others have tried that already, so you don't need to start from scratch. And you don't need to waste your time with things that will never work.
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
Thanks for your reply Jeff, On Tuesday, 02-07-2024 at 10:16 Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 6:33 PM George at Clug wrote: > > > > To all who replied, Thanks. > > > > Sadly after further testing I still have very little success with Wine. > > > > When I installed WineHQ's Wine Installation, Gecko and Mono were able to be > > installed. I noticed a rpcss.exe (from memory) in Taskmgr. This at least > > allowed me to display the initial web page in Wine's Iexplore. But sadly it > > did not help me in successfully installing the current Windows versions of > > Firefox or Chrome, or other programs I was having challenges with. > > > > I also tried PlayOnLinux [for installing Firefox or Chrome] without any > > success. > > > > The "Time vs ROI" for this endeavour suggests to me, that for now, I should > > just use Linux native programs. > > I think this is probably wandering off-topic, but I'll toss it out there... > > When in Rome, do as the Romans do. That means you run Windows programs > on WIndows VMs, and Linux programs on Linux VMs. Don't try to use Wine > to run Windows programs on Linux; and don't try to use a POSIX > subsystem to run Linux programs on WIndows. Mixing and matching is not > worth the aggravation. I had hopes using Wine was easier than I have found it to be. Your comment above has merit. There has been so many versions of Windows over the years, so many different programs with specific DLL and API needs. In part, I understand the challenge of having a system emulate another OS. I ran dual boot for a time, and I still have one Windows 10 PC for running games but have not used it for some time now, like you suggested, I only run programs that can run on Linux, if they don't run in Linux, I do not use them. Others I know would still like to run some particular Windows program. > > You never stated what problem you are trying to solve. I wanted to know "how to configure and use Wine to run a Windows program". No specific programs in mind, but MS Office could be an example. I also used Windows versions of Scite, Putty, WinSCP as test examples, only because they are smaller programs and I am familiar with using the programs in a Windows environment. As Mario pointed, one example would be to have a modern web browser with DRM. Many games are only released as Windows programs. Fortunately Steam has achieved amazing results for running Windows games in Linux. At this stage I am only testing the concept, to see what is possible, what works, and what does not work. To see what I need to understand so I can configure Wine for any given Windows application. > I'm guessing > there's a native Linux replacement for it so you don't need to wine > and iexplore. Iexplore I was referring to, is a program that comes with Wine, for the purposes of testing that your Wine installation has some level of basic working configuration for running Windows programs. > > Jeff >
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
On Mon, Jul 1, 2024 at 6:33 PM George at Clug wrote: > > To all who replied, Thanks. > > Sadly after further testing I still have very little success with Wine. > > When I installed WineHQ's Wine Installation, Gecko and Mono were able to be > installed. I noticed a rpcss.exe (from memory) in Taskmgr. This at least > allowed me to display the initial web page in Wine's Iexplore. But sadly it > did not help me in successfully installing the current Windows versions of > Firefox or Chrome, or other programs I was having challenges with. > > I also tried PlayOnLinux without any success. > > The "Time vs ROI" for this endeavour suggests to me, that for now, I should > just use Linux native programs. I think this is probably wandering off-topic, but I'll toss it out there... When in Rome, do as the Romans do. That means you run Windows programs on WIndows VMs, and Linux programs on Linux VMs. Don't try to use Wine to run Windows programs on Linux; and don't try to use a POSIX subsystem to run Linux programs on WIndows. Mixing and matching is not worth the aggravation. You never stated what problem you are trying to solve. I'm guessing there's a native Linux replacement for it so you don't need to wine and iexplore. Jeff
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
To all who replied, Thanks. Sadly after further testing I still have very little success with Wine. When I installed WineHQ's Wine Installation, Gecko and Mono were able to be installed. I noticed a rpcss.exe (from memory) in Taskmgr. This at least allowed me to display the initial web page in Wine's Iexplore. But sadly it did not help me in successfully installing the current Windows versions of Firefox or Chrome, or other programs I was having challenges with. I also tried PlayOnLinux without any success. The "Time vs ROI" for this endeavour suggests to me, that for now, I should just use Linux native programs. Regards, George. On Monday, 01-07-2024 at 15:48 didier gaumet wrote: > Le 01/07/2024 à 01:24, George at Clug a écrit : > [...] > > I have not found useful documentation that can get me over the "Could not > > find Wine Gecko", "Failed to init Gecko" error messages. > [...] > > Hello, > > disclaimer: I have not used Wine in ages, so I cannot be of real help > > Note, you could tell what Debian distro you are using (12 Bookworm?) and > if you have enabled multiarch support in it. > > the Debian wiki page about Wine is here: > https://wiki.debian.org/Wine > it states that for whatever reason "Windows software may require Mono > for .NET, and Gecko for any HTML rendering. Debian has disabled these by > default and do not provide packages.": > Windows software may require Mono for .NET, and Gecko for any HTML > rendering. Debian has disabled these by default and do not provide > packages. > > The WineHQ page about Gecko is here: > https://wiki.winehq.org/Gecko > > Two posts about solving Wine/Gecko problems on Debian Bookworm: > https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=154513 > https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=38245 > >
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
On Mon, Jul 01, 2024 at 10:45:39AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > As a general rule I am willing to accept RPMs, pacman ?? packages, and > > .debs, when they are from the Distribution's own package libraries, or > > hardware vendor supported, as otherwise I don't know the people providing > > the package. I have this strange belief that when a developer supplies > > a package to the Distribution owner for inclusion in their libraries, the > > Distribution owner does some level of verification/validation that the > > package plays nicely with the distribution and other applications. Maybe > > even some security checking? > > I'm with you, here. AFAIK Debian packaging does not in and of itself > come with any sort of "security checking", tho. So, if there are > security benefits (personally, I do believe there are) they are mostly > indirect result of the packaging process, e.g. in the presence of extra > eyes, or in the need to investigate the details of the licensing, or the > need to follow the rules about where files are placed, or in the > avoidance of vendoring, or in the "slow" pace of stable releases, ... I think there is a bit more to it. Imagine now you have 30 flatpaks, everyone bringing in its own snowflake version of... uh... libxz [1], say, and suddenly there is a backdoor. Sixteen of the startups providing the flatpaks have gone bust or were bought up by $BIGCORP. Now, what. > For that same reason, I try to stay away from things like Snap/Flatpak > which seem to be a way to skip all that "process" and run effectively > black-boxes, thereby preventing you access to the usual transparency > benefits of Free Software. That would be my approach too. Of course, $VENDOR offering the thing as a .deb is no guarantee either. I know of one which comes with two complete copies of PostgreSQL server, because... why not. So I try to stick to distro-native packages as far as possible. But hey. Everyone's entitled to ruin their health howewer they like :) Cheers [1] Just a random example, of course. And the person who discovered that backdoor happens to be Debian maintainer, but hey. -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
> As a general rule I am willing to accept RPMs, pacman ?? packages, and > .debs, when they are from the Distribution's own package libraries, or > hardware vendor supported, as otherwise I don't know the people providing > the package. I have this strange belief that when a developer supplies > a package to the Distribution owner for inclusion in their libraries, the > Distribution owner does some level of verification/validation that the > package plays nicely with the distribution and other applications. Maybe > even some security checking? I'm with you, here. AFAIK Debian packaging does not in and of itself come with any sort of "security checking", tho. So, if there are security benefits (personally, I do believe there are) they are mostly indirect result of the packaging process, e.g. in the presence of extra eyes, or in the need to investigate the details of the licensing, or the need to follow the rules about where files are placed, or in the avoidance of vendoring, or in the "slow" pace of stable releases, ... For that same reason, I try to stay away from things like Snap/Flatpak which seem to be a way to skip all that "process" and run effectively black-boxes, thereby preventing you access to the usual transparency benefits of Free Software. It's been a long time since I last used Wine (FWIW, it was to run the Windows version of Emacs, to try and reproduce a bug locally 🙂), but IIUC the software you intend to run via Wine will probably be what I'd usually describe as "proprietary crap" a.k.a black boxes, so it seems to be one of the cases where the use of Snap/Flatpak should not make things much worse. Stefan
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
On 01.07.24 11:13, George at Clug wrote: As a general rule I am willing to accept RPMs, pacman ?? packages, and .debs, when they are from the Distribution's own package libraries, or hardware vendor supported, Hardware vendor distributed installation files usually should not be used, especially not over the distributions packages and especially not when it comes to GPUs. Nvidias own drivers are infamous for having terrible installers. If you need them, install them the way your distro recommends. So if you'd install hardware vendor packages but not other third party packages, you should really think about your decisions, as they don't make any sense. I have this strange belief that when a developer supplies a package to the Distribution owner for inclusion in their libraries At least not how Debian works. As the package's developer, nobody would stop you from being the maintainer of the Debian package in the official repo, but in general everybody can step up for that job. So a package being in Debian's repos is no guarantee for anything, especially not if not maintained by the core developers. But of course, maintainers need to stick to a rule book too, if they don't, their maintainer status will be revoked and their packages removed. Also, that's why to use Flatpaks and not just some random .debs - including the ones from hardware vendors not really giving a fuck. With Flatpaks, you can easily see if it's maintained by the developer or not. Also, they are isolated and have quite user-friendly permission management. Of course no software is bug-free, but it's better than nothing. Especially when you compare Flatpaks with Debian contrib or non-free packages. , the Distribution owner does some level of verification/validation that the package plays nicely with the distribution and other applications. Maybe even some security checking? I wonder if anyone agrees with me, or not? Good question, how far Debian goes here. The automated testing will most likely catch the biggest issues, but then that's irrelevant with universal formats like AppImage, Snap and Flatpak, as they don't really interact with other packages. And especially during the 6 months of feature freezes before a release, users on testing can very well tell how well all the packages work together and report bugs so worst case a package causing issues can be replaced by an older version that works better. Then again, that's irrelevant with universal packages too. Now the security part is a good question. It's well known that Debian developers try to fix any security issues as fast as possible, especially in Stable, even doing backports themselves if needed. But I have no idea how far Debian goes with preliminary security checks, before packages reach stable. Also, due to Debian enforcing some sanity on packages, everything that should be a dependency in its own package will be made into one, no matter what the developer wants. And only having to patch one package to fix a security issue in many - think issues in OpenSSL and the likes - is always better than having to patch every single package using it. That's the great benefit of Debian over e.g. Flatpak, though Flatpak does move the most common dependencies into runtimes to achieve something similar. But it won't enforce this. But on the other hand, being containerized does decrease the need for some patches as the security issue may just be much more difficult to abuse, as an attacker would not only have to exploit it but also have to break out of the container. So it's all quite relative. There seems to be way too many methods of packaging these days. That's why AppImages, Snaps and Flatpaks where invented, it's just way too difficult to support them all. And with sane default behavior and containerization, Flatpak is by far the best of the universal formats. I also think there are way too many distributions of Linux too, but if people have the time, I should not rail against them. I prefer to stay with as close to the original source distribution as possible, though I have yet to apply this to compiling from Gentoo Linux. That's freedom - especially of choice - for you. But beyond the big distros, you should only touch the myriad of distros when you know what you are doing.
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
On Monday, 01-07-2024 at 18:37 Richard wrote: > This has nothing to do with maturity. Thanks for picking that point up. I was not sure how to explain my reasoning. I will try to give a better explanation. As a general rule I am willing to accept RPMs, pacman ?? packages, and .debs, when they are from the Distribution's own package libraries, or hardware vendor supported, as otherwise I don't know the people providing the package. I have this strange belief that when a developer supplies a package to the Distribution owner for inclusion in their libraries, the Distribution owner does some level of verification/validation that the package plays nicely with the distribution and other applications. Maybe even some security checking? I wonder if anyone agrees with me, or not? > Only with the existence of someone > willing to maintain it - and its dependencies if needed. They don't publish > it as anything else than a Flatpak as that's by far the easiest way to make > sure it works for everyone, and thus they don't officially support any > other packaging frameworks. And since they don't just support Wine but also > Proton, and games benefit a lot from the latest drivers and libraries, so > packaging it for more conservative distros would entirely defeat at least > half of its purpose. And I guess Flatpaks isolation from the rest of the > system can be helpful in other ways too. There seems to be way too many methods of packaging these days. I also think there are way too many distributions of Linux too, but if people have the time, I should not rail against them. I prefer to stay with as close to the original source distribution as possible, though I have yet to apply this to compiling from Gentoo Linux. At one time in my IT career I was involved with package management and installation of software in a corporate environment and still suffer some level of PTSD over a few applications that were problematic. There are times when I definitely would have to agree with you "I guess Flatpaks isolation from the rest of the system can be helpful in other ways too", both in terms of security and stability. > > So either learn to accept other packaging formats or learn to live with the > fact that you may miss out on a lot if you don't invest a lot of time > figuring out how to compile the software by hand. You are correct, my choice does cause me to live without software that does not supported in Debian's package library. Though I do make a few exceptions. I base my decision on a strange notion that Debian packaged software gives a better level of Security, which is likely misguided, but that has been my choice so far. I reserve the right to change my decision whenever it suites me, as I am about to try WineHQ's version of Wine. ; ) Thanks for your reply and for making me explain my current reasoning in a (hopefully) better way. George. > > Am Mo., 1. Juli 2024 um 06:13 Uhr schrieb George at Clug < > c...@goproject.info>: > > > Mostly I only install software that is available in the Debian or Arch > > repositories, and I cannot find Bottles in the Debian Repository. I do not > > use snaps or flatpacks. Maybe I should but I don't. > > Hopefully one day, Bottles will mature to the point it can go through the > > Debian packaging system. I appreciate Debian's packaging systems. > > >
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
This has nothing to do with maturity. Only with the existence of someone willing to maintain it - and its dependencies if needed. They don't publish it as anything else than a Flatpak as that's by far the easiest way to make sure it works for everyone, and thus they don't officially support any other packaging frameworks. And since they don't just support Wine but also Proton, and games benefit a lot from the latest drivers and libraries, so packaging it for more conservative distros would entirely defeat at least half of its purpose. And I guess Flatpaks isolation from the rest of the system can be helpful in other ways too. So either learn to accept other packaging formats or learn to live with the fact that you may miss out on a lot if you don't invest a lot of time figuring out how to compile the software by hand. Am Mo., 1. Juli 2024 um 06:13 Uhr schrieb George at Clug < c...@goproject.info>: > Mostly I only install software that is available in the Debian or Arch > repositories, and I cannot find Bottles in the Debian Repository. I do not > use snaps or flatpacks. Maybe I should but I don't. > Hopefully one day, Bottles will mature to the point it can go through the > Debian packaging system. I appreciate Debian's packaging systems. >
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
Hello, Absolutely no idea if it will help you solve your problem but the Archwiki has an potentially interesting tip for reverting the Debian default behavior: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Wine#Prevent_installing_Mono/Gecko so, perhaps setting the WINEDLLOVERRIDES environment variable to something other than "mscoree=d;mshtml=d" (=e ?) could permit Wine to download/install internet explorer
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
On Monday, 01-07-2024 at 15:48 didier gaumet wrote: > Le 01/07/2024 à 01:24, George at Clug a écrit : > [...] > > I have not found useful documentation that can get me over the "Could not > > find Wine Gecko", "Failed to init Gecko" error messages. > [...] > > Hello, > > disclaimer: I have not used Wine in ages, so I cannot be of real help > > Note, you could tell what Debian distro you are using (12 Bookworm?) and Yes, Debian 12, Bookworm. (current stable) > if you have enabled multiarch support in it. yes. # dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt update > > the Debian wiki page about Wine is here: > https://wiki.debian.org/Wine > it states that for whatever reason "Windows software may require Mono > for .NET, and Gecko for any HTML rendering. Debian has disabled these by > default and do not provide packages.": > Windows software may require Mono for .NET, and Gecko for any HTML > rendering. Debian has disabled these by default and do not provide > packages. I am now wondering what "is intentionally disabled" might actually mean. I am hoping that it means that Debian's wine will not automatically install Gecko/Mono, and not mean that even if you go ahead and manually install these packages they will not be used. But the effect seems to be the later. > > The WineHQ page about Gecko is here: > https://wiki.winehq.org/Gecko > > Two posts about solving Wine/Gecko problems on Debian Bookworm: > https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=154513 > https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=38245 "...this year, running debian 12.2 "bookworm" on the same laptop and using the wine 8.0 delivered with "bookworm" I have been unable to get a working iexplore..." "Consider using a sandboxer such as firejail to sandbox wine, such a configuration is outside the scope of this guide. " "https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/firejail"; - "Firejail is a SUID security sandbox program that reduces the risk of security breaches by restricting the running environment of untrusted applications using Linux namespaces and seccomp-bpf. It allows a process and all its descendants to have their own private view of the globally shared kernel resources, such as the network stack, process table, mount table. " Implementing Firejail sounds like a good project for later on. "You may wish to keep all your games in the same wine prefix, or have each game in its separate wine prefix. If you are using a traditional desktop environment, Wine will create .desktop files that remember the wineprefix for you. " Interesting links. And the same issue as I am having. I think I found these while searching for solutions. Sadly "$winetricks ie8" left me with a non=working iexplore. As far as I know, I have: "I created ~/.cache/wine and put the wine-gecko 2.47.3 msi there: " And added mono too. "apt install fonts-wine ttf-mscorefonts-installer" At one time I believe I also installed directly from WineHQ repository too, but after not much success, relating to 'no idea what I am doing' as far as setting up an environment for Windows programs, I reverted back to just using Debian's packages. https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian Well I might as well keep testing and trying... if I have any success, I will post back. Thanks for your comments, it gives me hope to keep working on this. George. > >
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
Le 01/07/2024 à 01:24, George at Clug a écrit : [...] I have not found useful documentation that can get me over the "Could not find Wine Gecko", "Failed to init Gecko" error messages. [...] Hello, disclaimer: I have not used Wine in ages, so I cannot be of real help Note, you could tell what Debian distro you are using (12 Bookworm?) and if you have enabled multiarch support in it. the Debian wiki page about Wine is here: https://wiki.debian.org/Wine it states that for whatever reason "Windows software may require Mono for .NET, and Gecko for any HTML rendering. Debian has disabled these by default and do not provide packages.": Windows software may require Mono for .NET, and Gecko for any HTML rendering. Debian has disabled these by default and do not provide packages. The WineHQ page about Gecko is here: https://wiki.winehq.org/Gecko Two posts about solving Wine/Gecko problems on Debian Bookworm: https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=154513 https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?t=38245
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
Richard,
Thanks for your reply.
On Sunday, 30-06-2024 at 17:11 Richard wrote:
> Depends on what you are trying to do.
I am trying to understand how to use Wine so that I can install various Windows
programs and have them work.
With the knowledge I would like to help others who are even less technical than
myself, as some people have their favourite Windows program they still want to
run.
For example, I understand that you can test your Wine installation by using
iexplore, but this fails to display the page. I see it useful to resolve this
issue at this point before trying to install two other actual programs which I
would like to install but also have blank pages where there is supposed to be
text.
I have not found useful documentation that can get me over the "Could not find
Wine Gecko", "Failed to init Gecko" error messages.
$ wine iexplore
Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
010c:err:mshtml:create_document_object Failed to init Gecko, returning
CLASS_E_CLASSNOTAVAILABLE
Another issue I would like to resolve, is it possible to get a rpc service
running?. This service is not showing in Task Manager. I assume it is actually
possible, but I do know know how and have not succeeded.
err:ole:start_rpcss Failed to open RpcSs service
https://www.coretechnologies.com/blog/windows-services/rpcss/
Maybe some of these OLE messages are related to the RPC service?
074c:err:mscoree:CLRRuntimeInfo_GetRuntimeDirectory error reading registry key
for installroot
074c:err:ole:apartment_getclassobject DllGetClassObject returned error
0x80040111 for dll L"C:\\windows\\system32\\msimtf.dll"
074c:err:ole:com_get_class_object no class object
{c1ee01f2-b3b6-4a6a-9ddd-e988c088ec82} could be created for context 0x401
074c:err:ole:apartment_getclassobject DllGetClassObject returned error
0x80040111 for dll L"C:\\windows\\system32\\msimtf.dll"
074c:err:ole:com_get_class_object no class object
{c1ee01f2-b3b6-4a6a-9ddd-e988c088ec82} could be created for context 0x401
0330:err:rpc:I_RpcReceive we got fault packet with status 0xc004f012
0330:err:rpc:I_RpcReceive we got fault packet with status 0xc004f012
0330:err:rpc:I_RpcReceive we got fault packet with status 0xc004f012
> But in my experience, if you don't
> need to do some heavy work to maybe get something to work,
Now you have a point there. To be honest, there was only one Windows program I
personally wanted to run, and it is non-essential anyway (and it works in Wine
without changing the Wine installation).
PlayOnLinux is running one of the programs I have been testing with, but my
thoughts is that if PlayOnLinux can, then so should Wine. I just want to know
how to use Wine.
> take a look at
> Bottles [1].
Mostly I only install software that is available in the Debian or Arch
repositories, and I cannot find Bottles in the Debian Repository. I do not use
snaps or flatpacks. Maybe I should but I don't.
Hopefully one day, Bottles will mature to the point it can go through the
Debian packaging system. I appreciate Debian's packaging systems.
> It's kinda a GUI for Wine and Proton and seems to have some
> tricks up its sleeves. So take a look at it, maybe it can do everything you
> are trying to do.
>
> Best
> Richard
>
> [1]: https://usebottles.com/
>
> On Sun, Jun 30, 2024, 06:33 George at Clug wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone know of really simple but comprehensive instructions on how to
> > use and configure Wine, that you can send me links to?
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >
> > George.
> >
> >
>
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
You can try this tool : https://github.com/winegui/WineGUI On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 1:58 PM Richard wrote: > Depends on what you are trying to do. But in my experience, if you don't > need to do some heavy work to maybe get something to work, take a look at > Bottles [1]. It's kinda a GUI for Wine and Proton and seems to have some > tricks up its sleeves. So take a look at it, maybe it can do everything you > are trying to do. > > Best > Richard > > [1]: https://usebottles.com/ > > On Sun, Jun 30, 2024, 06:33 George at Clug wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone know of really simple but comprehensive instructions on how >> to use and configure Wine, that you can send me links to? >> >> [...] >> >> >> George. >> >> -- Mario.
Re: How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
Depends on what you are trying to do. But in my experience, if you don't need to do some heavy work to maybe get something to work, take a look at Bottles [1]. It's kinda a GUI for Wine and Proton and seems to have some tricks up its sleeves. So take a look at it, maybe it can do everything you are trying to do. Best Richard [1]: https://usebottles.com/ On Sun, Jun 30, 2024, 06:33 George at Clug wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of really simple but comprehensive instructions on how to > use and configure Wine, that you can send me links to? > > [...] > > > George. > >
How to use Wine, How to get Gecko to install and work
Hi,
Does anyone know of really simple but comprehensive instructions on
how to use and configure Wine, that you can send me links to?
Does anyone know how to solve the below issue:
$ wine iexplore
Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
010c:err:mshtml:create_document_object Failed to init Gecko, returning
CLASS_E_CLASSNOTAVAILABLE
(Of course in iexplore the web page "https://www.winehq.org/"; is
blank)
This is just one of many examples of how really don't know how to
configure Wine once it has been installed, and I have run "wine
winecfg".
I have found many people reporting this issue on the Internet, but
never an answer that resolves the issue for me.
$ wget
https://dl.winehq.org/wine/wine-mono/8.0.0/wine-mono-8.0.0-x86.msi
$ wget
https://dl.winehq.org/wine/wine-gecko/2.47.4/wine-gecko-2.47.4-x86.msi
$ wget
https://dl.winehq.org/wine/wine-gecko/2.47.4/wine-gecko-2.47.4-x86_64.msi
$ wine msiexec /i wine-mono-8.0.0-x86.msi
$ wine msiexec /i wine-gecko-2.47.4-x86.msi
$ wine msiexec /i wine-gecko-2.47.4-x864.msi
$ wine uninstaller --list
{F220C345-2975-4A47-8686-3F2C41F773B7}|||Wine Gecko (32-bit)
{AA28AA7D-CA50-44EB-AF34-7F99E4662CF1}|||Wine Gecko (64-bit)
{55B609D4-ABF3-52AF-8723-C81E75B86D50}|||Wine Mono Runtime
{9F22663D-4E4B-5B49-A04C-22EDFD519AC5}|||Wine Mono Windows Support
$ wine iexplore
Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
010c:err:mshtml:create_document_object Failed to init Gecko, returning
CLASS_E_CLASSNOTAVAILABLE
George.
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
Am 02.02.2024 um 15:10:32 Uhr schrieb Greg Wooledge: > It's dying, I would say. Not all the way dead just yet. That's why I think it's time to change to amd64 before it is completely dead. > The next release will not offer an *installer* for i386, but upgrades > from Debian 12 i386 to Debian 13 i386 might continue to work. IIRC those packages will still exist for backwards compatibility for certain application, but I read the rumor that no current i386 kernel will be available. -- Gruß Marco Spam und Werbung bitte an ichschickerekl...@cartoonies.org
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
On 2/2/24 9:10 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote: I am not sure what do you mean by "install that architecture". I have been using i386 versions of Debian, and I do not plan to reinstall it now just because the CPU may allow that. At some point, you will have to make a decision. i386 is going to stop being supported sooner or later. Yeah, I know that. Until then I will try to get the most out of this i386 installation as-is. In any case, I managed to get rid of some 250+ amd64 packages that came with pretty useless wine (5.0.3-3) installation from the bullseye repo. After deinstalling wine & related software (in Synaptic), I ran apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, and apt autoremove. It freed cca 1GB. After reboot, all was clean, so I decided to go with wine via WineHQ. I followed their published procedure for bullseye installation, and after a while it ended up with wine version 9, which for now seems functional. Will update the list in days to come ... Misko
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:59 PM Marco Moock wrote: > Am 01.02.2024 um 18:03:47 Uhr schrieb sko...@uns.ac.rs: > > > I am not sure what do you mean by "install that architecture". I have > > been using i386 versions of Debian, and I do not plan to reinstall it > > now just because the CPU may allow that. So instead, I ask whether it > > was expected and properly when Synaptic installed lots of 64-bit > > stuff during Wine installation from repo. Was it ok or not? Or shall > > I remove it and follow instructions from WineHQ website? > > According to documentation I found in the internet, it is possible to > upgrade a Debian system to the amd64 architecture. > Maybe do that, but do a full backup before. > > i386 is dead for Debian, the next release won't be available for i386. > It is about time i386 is killed off. 64bit processors have been in production for over 20 years now. I am all for getting the most out of hardware but considering you can get a Intel Core2 Laptop with 4GB of RAM for less that $100 refurbished there is no real reason to keep i386 around. As long as you have a i386 kernel, you can't use amd64 software on it. > > -- > Gruß > Marco > > Spam und Werbung bitte an ichschickerekl...@cartoonies.org > > -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 08:59:18PM +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > According to documentation I found in the internet, it is possible to > upgrade a Debian system to the amd64 architecture. That isn't an upgrade, and it isn't a supported operation. Some people have *done* it, but it's very much at-your-own-risk. > Maybe do that, but do a full backup before. I wouldn't recommend it, certainly not for someone who's operating with less than a full understanding of the situation. > i386 is dead for Debian, the next release won't be available for i386. It's dying, I would say. Not all the way dead just yet. The next release will not offer an *installer* for i386, but upgrades from Debian 12 i386 to Debian 13 i386 might continue to work. That bears its own risks. Support for i386 is likely to be less than full. Things will probably start breaking and not getting fixed, more and more often as the years roll on, until it's officially declared dead. > As long as you have a i386 kernel, you can't use amd64 software on it. This is true. > Am 01.02.2024 um 18:03:47 Uhr schrieb sko...@uns.ac.rs: > > > I am not sure what do you mean by "install that architecture". I have > > been using i386 versions of Debian, and I do not plan to reinstall it > > now just because the CPU may allow that. At some point, you will have to make a decision. i386 is going to stop being supported sooner or later.
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
Am 01.02.2024 um 18:03:47 Uhr schrieb sko...@uns.ac.rs: > I am not sure what do you mean by "install that architecture". I have > been using i386 versions of Debian, and I do not plan to reinstall it > now just because the CPU may allow that. So instead, I ask whether it > was expected and properly when Synaptic installed lots of 64-bit > stuff during Wine installation from repo. Was it ok or not? Or shall > I remove it and follow instructions from WineHQ website? According to documentation I found in the internet, it is possible to upgrade a Debian system to the amd64 architecture. Maybe do that, but do a full backup before. i386 is dead for Debian, the next release won't be available for i386. As long as you have a i386 kernel, you can't use amd64 software on it. -- Gruß Marco Spam und Werbung bitte an ichschickerekl...@cartoonies.org
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
> Am 01.02.2024 schrieb sko...@uns.ac.rs: > >> CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit > Model name: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4500 > > That processor can run amd64 Debian, so install that architecture. > > I am not sure what do you mean by "install that architecture". I have been using i386 versions of Debian, and I do not plan to reinstall it now just because the CPU may allow that. So instead, I ask whether it was expected and properly when Synaptic installed lots of 64-bit stuff during Wine installation from repo. Was it ok or not? Or shall I remove it and follow instructions from WineHQ website?
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
Am 01.02.2024 schrieb sko...@uns.ac.rs: > CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Model name: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4500 That processor can run amd64 Debian, so install that architecture.
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
> Am 01.02.2024 schrieb Miroslav Skoric : > >> This time I was puzzled when noticed that Synaptic installed lots of >> amd64 packages even though my system is i386. > > Run > uname -a > lscpu > > and post it here. > > If your system is i386 only, amd64 software can't run on it. > Remove that architecture from dpkg. > > uname -a Linux localhost 5.10.0-27-686 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.205-2 (2023-12-31) i686 GNU/Linux lscpu Architecture: i686 CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit Byte Order: Little Endian Address sizes: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual CPU(s): 2 On-line CPU(s) list:0,1 Thread(s) per core: 1 Core(s) per socket: 2 Socket(s): 1 Vendor ID: GenuineIntel CPU family: 6 Model: 23 Model name: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30 GHz Stepping: 10 CPU MHz:1316.130 CPU max MHz:2300. CPU min MHz:1200. BogoMIPS: 4588.77 L1d cache: 64 KiB L1i cache: 64 KiB L2 cache: 1 MiB Vulnerability Gather data sampling: Not affected Vulnerability Itlb multihit:KVM: Mitigation: VMX unsupported Vulnerability L1tf: Vulnerable Vulnerability Mds: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT disabled Vulnerability Meltdown: Vulnerable Vulnerability Mmio stale data: Unknown: No mitigations Vulnerability Retbleed: Not affected Vulnerability Spec rstack overflow: Not affected Vulnerability Spec store bypass:Vulnerable Vulnerability Spectre v1: Mitigation; usercopy/swapgs barriers and __u ser pointer sanitization Vulnerability Spectre v2: Mitigation; Retpolines, STIBP disabled, RSB filling, PBRSB-eIBRS Not affected Vulnerability Srbds:Not affected Vulnerability Tsx async abort: Not affected Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht tm pbe nx lm constant_ tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts cpuid aperfmperf p ni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm xsave lahf_lm dtherm
Re: Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
Am 01.02.2024 schrieb Miroslav Skoric : > This time I was puzzled when noticed that Synaptic installed lots of > amd64 packages even though my system is i386. Run uname -a lscpu and post it here. If your system is i386 only, amd64 software can't run on it. Remove that architecture from dpkg.
Wine in bullseye, which way to go?
Hi! As I have some Windows software (for ham radio) that does not have adequate Linux versions, I wanted to install Wine and some related packages from the bullseye repository (wine, q4wine, winetricks, playonlinux, etc). By the way, I had Wine with buster earlier, and most Windows software worked more or less flawlessly, but I deinstalled all that software and Wine before I upgraded buster to bullseye. This time I was puzzled when noticed that Synaptic installed lots of amd64 packages even though my system is i386. Also, it removed some packages, and also reported few errors or like. Finally, no Windows software wanted to run, instead q4wine returned "Exit -1" or like. See bellow some details for particular packages installation: (Wine) Removing portaudio19-dev:i386 (19.6.0-1.1) ... Removing libjack-dev (1:0.125.0-3+b1) ... dpkg: libjack0:i386: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested: mpv depends on libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.10+20150825) | libjack-0.125; however: Package libjack-jackd2-0 is not installed. Package libjack-0.125 is not installed. Package libjack0:i386 which provides libjack-0.125 is to be removed. mplayer depends on libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.10+20150825) | libjack-0.125; however: Package libjack-jackd2-0 is not installed. Package libjack-0.125 is not installed. Package libjack0:i386 which provides libjack-0.125 is to be removed. libportaudio2:i386 depends on libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.10+20150825) | libjack-0.125; however: Package libjack-jackd2-0 is not installed. Package libjack-0.125 is not installed. Package libjack0:i386 which provides libjack-0.125 is to be removed. libfluidsynth2:i386 depends on libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.10+20150825) | libjack-0.125; however: Package libjack-jackd2-0 is not installed. Package libjack-0.125 is not installed. Package libjack0:i386 which provides libjack-0.125 is to be removed. libavdevice58:i386 depends on libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.10+20150825) | libjack-0.125; however: Package libjack-jackd2-0 is not installed. Package libjack-0.125 is not installed. Package libjack0:i386 which provides libjack-0.125 is to be removed. libasound2-plugins:i386 depends on libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.10+20150825) | libjack-0.125; however: Package libjack-jackd2-0 is not installed. Package libjack-0.125 is not installed. Package libjack0:i386 which provides libjack-0.125 is to be removed. gstreamer1.0-plugins-good:i386 depends on libjack-jackd2-0 (>= 1.9.10+20150825) | libjack-0.125; however: Package libjack-jackd2-0 is not installed. Package libjack-0.125 is not installed. Package libjack0:i386 which provides libjack-0.125 is to be removed. Removing libjack0:i386 (1:0.125.0-3+b1) ... Setting up gcc-10-base:amd64 (10.2.1-6) ... Setting up libgcc-s1:amd64 (10.2.1-6) ... Setting up libcrypt1:amd64 (1:4.4.18-4) ... Setting up libc6:amd64 (2.31-13+deb11u7) ... Setting up libgpg-error0:amd64 (1.38-2) ... Setting up libgcrypt20:amd64 (1.8.7-6) ... Setting up liblz4-1:amd64 (1.9.3-2) ... Setting up liblzma5:amd64 (5.2.5-2.1~deb11u1) ... Setting up libzstd1:amd64 (1.4.8+dfsg-2.1) ... Setting up libexpat1:amd64 (2.2.10-2+deb11u5) ... Setting up libgraphite2-3:amd64 (1.3.14-1) ... Setting up liblcms2-2:amd64 (2.12~rc1-2) ... Setting up libpixman-1-0:amd64 (0.40.0-1.1~deb11u1) ... Setting up libcdparanoia0:amd64 (3.10.2+debian-13.1) ... Setting up ipp-usb (0.9.17-3+b4) ... ipp-usb.service is a disabled or a static unit, not starting it. Setting up libvo-amrwbenc0:amd64 (0.1.3-2) ... Setting up libxau6:amd64 (1:1.0.9-1) ... Setting up libraw1394-11:amd64 (2.1.2-2) ... Setting up libkeyutils1:amd64 (1.6.1-2) ... Setting up libgpm2:amd64 (1.20.7-8) ... Setting up libmpg123-0:amd64 (1.26.4-1) ... Setting up libogg0:amd64 (1.3.4-0.1) ... Setting up libspeex1:amd64 (1.2~rc1.2-1.1) ... Setting up libshine3:amd64 (3.1.1-2) ... Setting up libtwolame0:amd64 (0.4.0-2) ... Setting up libdatrie1:amd64 (0.2.13-1) ... Setting up libgsm1:amd64 (1.0.18-2) ... Setting up libvisual-0.4-0:amd64 (0.4.0-17) ... Setting up libcapi20-3:amd64 (1:3.27-3+b1) ... Setting up libglvnd0:amd64 (1.3.2-1) ... Setting up libssl1.1:amd64 (1.1.1w-0+deb11u1) ... Setting up libaom0:amd64 (1.0.0.errata1-3+deb11u1) ... Setting up libbrotli1:amd64 (1.0.9-2+b2) ... Setting up libsqlite3-0:amd64 (3.34.1-3) ... Setting up libsasl2-modules:amd64 (2.1.27+dfsg-2.1+deb11u1) ... Setting up libffi7:amd64 (3.3-6) ... Setting up libvkd3d1:i386 (1.1-5) ... Setting up libnghttp2-14:amd64 (1.43.0-1+deb11u1) ... Setting up libunistring2:amd64 (0.9.10-4) ... Setting up libdeflate0:amd64 (1.7-1) ... Setting up zlib1g:amd64 (1:1.2.11.dfsg-2+deb11u2) ... Setting up libidn2-0:amd64 (2.3.0-5) ... Setting up libcom-err2:amd64 (1.46.2-2) ... Setting up libgomp1:amd64 (10.2.1-6) ... Setting up libxvidcore4:amd64 (2:1.3.7-1) ... Setting up libunwind8:amd64 (1.3.2-2) ... Setting up libx264-160:amd64 (2:0.160.3011+gitcde9a93-2.1
Re: Odd Wine issue with nvidia-tesla-470-driver
Disregard. I made a mistake and found the error in my ways.
Odd Wine issue with nvidia-tesla-470-driver
I found an odd issue on Debian Bookworm with nvidia-tesla-470-driver installed and the i386 arch installed as a secondary arch (dpkg --add-architecture i386). When installing wine it tries to pull in nvidia-390 packages and breaks. Has anyone seen this before or is there a workaround? I suspect nvidia-tesla-470-driver doesn't have as many packages in i386 as amd64 does -or- there is a dependency in wine that doesn't expects the normal nvidia-driver and not nvidia-tesla.
Re: [SOLVED] Re: crash with wine and nvidia-driver
Am Samstag, 15. Oktober 2022, 20:37:41 CEST schrieb piorunz: Hi Piotr, tried before as you suggested: deleting all configs of wine without success. I also tried wine7.0 from winehq, but this did not work and wanted to deinstall many of my applications, like digicam or similar. Hope, that debian will update wine soon to version 7, but maybe they will never do on debian/stable. Maybe in the next release Happy gaming and best regards Hans > On 15/10/2022 18:18, Hans wrote: > > Am Samstag, 15. Oktober 2022, 15:08:40 CEST schrieb piorunz: > > Hi Piotr, > > > > sadly this did not work. However, I got a solution: > > > > I purged all wine packages from debian, then reinstalled wine, but only > > minimalistic, say, all necessary packages. > > > > I spared all suggested packages - and it worked now. No crash any more and > > "primusrun glxgears -info" is now running. > > Great! But maybe it was wine configuration files, you seem to be using > only default profile ~/.wine, and maybe files there (Windows > installation so to speak) got corrupted. So not reinstallation necessary. > I suggest to delete/move/manipulate default profile ~/.wine next time, > to save time. And ultimately, you can start using Lutris to manage your > Wine profiles or do it manually by using shortcut for example: > WINEPREFIX=/home/path... wine something.exe > > And lastly if you serious about gaming then latest Wine is good option, > not using Wine 5 from Debian stable but latest and greatest Wine 7. > I am gaming on wine-staging (v7.18 at the moment) and it's great. > https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian > > -- > With kindest regards, Piotr. > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ > ⠈⠳⣄
Re: [SOLVED] Re: crash with wine and nvidia-driver
On 15/10/2022 18:18, Hans wrote: Am Samstag, 15. Oktober 2022, 15:08:40 CEST schrieb piorunz: Hi Piotr, sadly this did not work. However, I got a solution: I purged all wine packages from debian, then reinstalled wine, but only minimalistic, say, all necessary packages. I spared all suggested packages - and it worked now. No crash any more and "primusrun glxgears -info" is now running. Great! But maybe it was wine configuration files, you seem to be using only default profile ~/.wine, and maybe files there (Windows installation so to speak) got corrupted. So not reinstallation necessary. I suggest to delete/move/manipulate default profile ~/.wine next time, to save time. And ultimately, you can start using Lutris to manage your Wine profiles or do it manually by using shortcut for example: WINEPREFIX=/home/path... wine something.exe And lastly if you serious about gaming then latest Wine is good option, not using Wine 5 from Debian stable but latest and greatest Wine 7. I am gaming on wine-staging (v7.18 at the moment) and it's great. https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
[SOLVED] Re: crash with wine and nvidia-driver
Am Samstag, 15. Oktober 2022, 15:08:40 CEST schrieb piorunz: Hi Piotr, sadly this did not work. However, I got a solution: I purged all wine packages from debian, then reinstalled wine, but only minimalistic, say, all necessary packages. I spared all suggested packages - and it worked now. No crash any more and "primusrun glxgears -info" is now running. Additionally also the games prior not working with nvidia legacy driver are working now, too. It looks for me, some additional package forced the crash, but I can nor say, which one. It is no need, to look at, because wine in debian/stable is rather old (it is version 5, whilst the actual version is now version 7). I suppose, debian will update this package soon, as even for debian/stable version 5 is too old IMHO. Thank you all for any help. Best regards Hans > On 13/10/2022 17:43, Hans wrote: > > As I am not believing, this is related to the game (as ALL games are > > crashing), I believe, it is related to a systematical error in the > > relationship between wine and nvidia-driver. > > To verify this hypothesis, run for example: > primusrun wine notepad.exe > primusrun winecfg > > See if that opens. > > -- > With kindest regards, Piotr. > > ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ > ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system > ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ > ⠈⠳⣄
Re: crash with wine and nvidia-driver
On 13/10/2022 17:43, Hans wrote: As I am not believing, this is related to the game (as ALL games are crashing), I believe, it is related to a systematical error in the relationship between wine and nvidia-driver. To verify this hypothesis, run for example: primusrun wine notepad.exe primusrun winecfg See if that opens. -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org/ ⠈⠳⣄
running outdated software (was: crash with wine and nvidia-driver)
Am 13.10.2022 um 18:43 schrieb Hans: > Hi folks, > > maybe someone got into the same problem as me and can help. Well, i cannot help. Sorry But i am very used to running outdated software, as i am living the old recipe to "never change a working system". The only thing, that i am doing is to separate different configurations into virtual machines, where i still am able to run Windows XP (as an example). Intentionally i am accepting to fall back in time, if the alternatove is to deal with buggy software or combinations thereof. Only recently, i discovered, that one of my long-living problems that had me stay with a 6 year old software combination is no longer present in a more recent software stack. In order to find out such changes, i HAVE TO check the functionality of more recent releases from time to time, which - in order to ensure proper isolation from my main system - requires a second bootable copy of the main OS. Long story short: I suggest you create alternatives in order to check more recent software. Because not only your situation tennds to evolve into a more and more unique corner case, but also you lose touch to the cutting edge of developers, who would not be interested to fix past problems, as there is practically no merit in doing so. Another example of mine: I did stay with firefox-esr from 2 years ago, in order of being able to use plugins, that had not yet been transformed to the new mozilla doctrine. But after some time, i found another combination of plugins fulfilling my needs just as well as the old ones did, so i decided to jump to a more recent version of the fox. It is not such a bright idea to be stubborn and sticking to the older versions, among ther reasons: because i would have turned onto the only one (world-wide) using that specific software stack, thus having a unique fingerprint and killing anonymity... I suggest not clinging to your specific software combo too frenetically. But i am sharing your sort of trouble more or less regularly and thus feel with you. best of luck, DdB > As I am not believing, this is related to the game (as ALL games are > crashing), I believe, it is related to a systematical error in the > relationship between wine and nvidia-driver. My own experiences with wine were not all that pleasant. Nowadays, i try to avoid it as best as i can, nuked all the places, where i had integrated it into my regular system usage. > (...) > So, I hope, someone might got into the same issue, too, and could fix it. > > Any help is welcome. > > Thank you very much! > > Best regards > > Hans
crash with wine and nvidia-driver
Hi folks, maybe someone got into the same problem as me and can help. I am using a laptop with a graphic chip in the intel-cpu and an extern graphic card from NVidia. The nvidia chip is an NVS4200M and running with kernel module *legacy-340xx* Yes, I know, NVidia and also Debian says, it shall be *-legacy-390xx-*, but 390xx will not run. 340xx is well running, and "primusrun glxgears -info" is telling, the kernel is loaded and it is the nvidia kernel/module. But that should not be our problem. My issue is, that starting ANY wine application (like a game or something else) using "primusrun wine bla.exe" is turning ito a segfault. As I am not believing, this is related to the game (as ALL games are crashing), I believe, it is related to a systematical error in the relationship between wine and nvidia-driver. Please note: Running all these applications without primusrun or optirun, so using the internal graphic chip, everything is running, but slow. I read in many forums, but whenever thisissue appears, the writers are always pointing to a special game or application, but (maybe) did not recognize, this is a general issue. The system running here is debian/stable and I know, the wine version is rather old (version 5, the actual one is version 7.x), but I personally believe, this should not amtter, as the nvidia driver 340xx is old, too. Note beside: 390xx and 340xx can not be build any more, as the kernel-header- files or the compiler had changed since 5.10.12, some files are missing. There is already a bugreport related to this by me. (Luckily I have a package as backup available). I do not know, where to look any more and how to discover, what is happening. Tried starting using strace, but this did not show me any usefull output. So, I hope, someone might got into the same issue, too, and could fix it. Any help is welcome. Thank you very much! Best regards Hans
[SOLVED] Re: Can not get wine-repo authenticated
Am Sonntag, 21. August 2022, 10:23:38 CEST schrieb Hans: I am answering myself: The problem was caused by the following entry: > > - added the repo > echo deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/winehq-archive-keyring.gpg] > http://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ bullseye main | tee > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ winehq.list > The term "[signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/winehq-archive-keyring.gpg]" is somehow not been used by debian and makes this problem. After deleting this entry, it worked perfectly. So the correct entry in /etc/apt/sourceslist.d/ winehq.list should be just this: deb http://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ bullseye main Hope this helps others, too. Best regards Hans
Can not get wine-repo authenticated
Dear list, I tried to add wine-repo to the sources list, but debian will not recognize its key. Since apt-key is deprecated I did as recommended: Logged in as root (I never use sudo) - Then did the command curl https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key | gpg --dearmor > /usr/share/keyrings/winehq- archive-keyring.gpg % Total% Received % Xferd Average Speed TimeTime Time Current Dload Upload Total SpentLeft Speed 100 3220 100 32200 0 18192 0 --:--:-- --:--:-- --:--:-- 18089 - Verified the key is in /usr/share/keyrings/ - added the repo echo deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/winehq-archive-keyring.gpg] http://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ bullseye main | tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ winehq.list - checked the entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq.list deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/winehq-archive-keyring.gpg] http://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ bullseye main - as it looks all good, doing: LANG=C apt update Hit:11 https://linux.teamviewer.com/deb stable InRelease Hit:12 https://deb.opera.com/opera-stable stable InRelease Hit:13 http://inverse.ca/downloads/PacketFence/debian/11.3 bullseye InRelease Err:4 http://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian bullseye InRelease The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 76F1A20FF987672F Hit:14 https://www.kismetwireless.net/repos/apt/release/bullseye bullseye InRelease Reading package lists... Done *W: *GPG error: http://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian bullseye InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 76F1A20FF987672F *E: *The repository 'http://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian bullseye InRelease' is not signed. N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. I rechecked several times, but can not find, why the key is not recognized. The only reason I could imagine, that the key is orphaned. But then the doku of wine on its site is also orphaned. What did I miss? Any ideas? Best regards Hans
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
Hello! Opened a bug report against Wine, because I was not sure about what package was the culprit. #1006725 It was reasigned to libz-mingw-w64 and a few moments ago I downloaded the updated package from the repository. Everything works fine now. Thanks to everyone who made this possible.
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
On Donnerstag, 3. März 2022 12:17:37 -03 Miguel A. Vallejo wrote: > Thank you! > > I filled a bug report. Let's see what happens now. Just because I mentioned installing DLLs by means of winetricks: beware of using winetricks in this situation. Obviously it installs DLLs which are not compatible with the current wine packages. After trying this I had some Win-programs coming up nicely, or even better than before the Debian Sid updates but went haywire when they started their own update routines of data. Trying to resolve this and by using wintricks for some DLLs I now managed to have the programs start and appear as running applications but they are not showing any windows in X11 - duh ... -- Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
Thank you! I filled a bug report. Let's see what happens now.
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
> I'm looking for the exact package that contains zlib1.dll but I can't > find it. Libwine depends on libz-mingw-w64 but the zlib1.dll there is > not the same as the one wine puts in the drive_c directory. The one in > drive_c directory is a PE32 DLL and the one provided with > libz-mingw-w64 is a 64 bit one. On Stable: apt-file search zlib1.dll libterralib-doc: /usr/share/doc/libterralib-dev/examples/Debug/zlib1.dll libz-mingw-w64: /usr/i686-w64-mingw32/lib/zlib1.dll libz-mingw-w64: /usr/x86_64-w64-mingw32/lib/zlib1.dll Seems both 32 and 64 bit dll are included in the package. Regards, Christian -- http://www.cb-fraggle.de
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
> > I'm pretty sure the problem is the Wine DLL files were built without > > the -static-libgcc flag > > > > Time to file a bug? > > > > I think it is I'm looking for the exact package that contains zlib1.dll but I can't find it. Libwine depends on libz-mingw-w64 but the zlib1.dll there is not the same as the one wine puts in the drive_c directory. The one in drive_c directory is a PE32 DLL and the one provided with libz-mingw-w64 is a 64 bit one. I confirmed zlib1.dll needs libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll and this one needs libwinpthread-1.dll and... I can see a DLL hell in advance. Where does this zlib1.dll come from? It appears everytime wine creates a drive_c directory, even for a new user.
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
On donderdag 03 maart 2022 14:38:32 (+01:00), Miguel A. Vallejo wrote: > > Not entirely sure, but I think this is the issue: > > More and more Wine DLL files are built with mingw. > > The libwine package already depends on libz-mingw. > > Probably the 'gcc-mingw-w64-i686-win32-runtime' package should now be > > installed as well. > > > > Does the program work when you install this package? > > Installed gcc-mingw-w64-i686-win32-runtime (and gcc-mingw-w64-base > because of dependencies) but still not working. > > These packages install some DLLs in /usr/lib/gcc/i686-w64-mingw32 so > win32 programs can't load them there. Also note libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is > not provided with these packages. > Strange, I get: $ dpkg -L gcc-mingw-w64-i686-win32-runtime | grep libgcc_s /usr/lib/gcc/i686-w64-mingw32/10-win32/libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll I had hoped that the Wine packages would refer to that, but unfortunately that is not the case. > I'm pretty sure the problem is the Wine DLL files were built without > the -static-libgcc flag > > Time to file a bug? > I think it is
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
> Not entirely sure, but I think this is the issue: > More and more Wine DLL files are built with mingw. > The libwine package already depends on libz-mingw. > Probably the 'gcc-mingw-w64-i686-win32-runtime' package should now be > installed as well. > > Does the program work when you install this package? Installed gcc-mingw-w64-i686-win32-runtime (and gcc-mingw-w64-base because of dependencies) but still not working. These packages install some DLLs in /usr/lib/gcc/i686-w64-mingw32 so win32 programs can't load them there. Also note libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is not provided with these packages. I'm pretty sure the problem is the Wine DLL files were built without the -static-libgcc flag Time to file a bug?
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
On woensdag 02 maart 2022 20:01:09 (+01:00), Miguel A. Vallejo wrote: > Hello > > After the recent update of Wine packages in Sid, some programs do not > run because of a missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll. They all worked just fine > with the previous version. > > ~$ wine SpaceEngine.exe > 014c:err:module:import_dll Library libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll (which is needed > by L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\zlib1.dll") not > found > 014c:err:module:import_dll Loading library zlib1.dll (which is needed > by L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\libtiff3.dll") > failed ( > error c07b). > 014c:err:module:import_dll Library libtiff3.dll (which is needed by > L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\SpaceEngine.exe") not > found > 014c:err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Importing dlls for > L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\SpaceEngine.exe" > failed, status c135 > > I looked in my backups and I never had any libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll > installed in my system, but now it seems to be needed. > > Any ideas? Thanks in advance > > Not entirely sure, but I think this is the issue: More and more Wine DLL files are built with mingw. The libwine package already depends on libz-mingw. Probably the 'gcc-mingw-w64-i686-win32-runtime' package should now be installed as well. Does the program work when you install this package?
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
On Mittwoch, 2. März 2022 18:34:22 -03 Miguel A. Vallejo wrote:
> Hello!
>
> Finding and placing missing DLLs into the Windows directory of Wine is
> easy.
>
> I think the problem is the windows executables in wine have not been
> compiled with the -static-libgcc option of MinGW, so not including all
> these libgcc DDLs can be considered a bug itself.
>
> But compiling it without -static-libgcc can be considered a bug also.
>
> This is why I'm asking.
We are talking about closed source here, don't we? I don't see any
straight forward way to know how the programs have been compiled except
reverse engineering. Not going to do that. Contacting the provider of
the Windows-Programs IMHO would not help either because "it works on xxx
version of MS-Windows".
If the problem is a bug or changes in Wine (6.0.2 is a development
version - no?) Wine-HQ would be the right place to ask, I think.
Either way debian-users does not seem to be the right mailing list for
this kind of problems.
Unless this is a packaging problem ("...repack..."?) but I don't know.
I can't help I'm afraid.
..._ _.__ __... ...__
._._.
--
Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
Hello! Finding and placing missing DLLs into the Windows directory of Wine is easy. I think the problem is the windows executables in wine have not been compiled with the -static-libgcc option of MinGW, so not including all these libgcc DDLs can be considered a bug itself. But compiling it without -static-libgcc can be considered a bug also. This is why I'm asking.
Re: Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
On Mittwoch, 2. März 2022 16:01:09 -03 Miguel A. Vallejo wrote: > Hello > > After the recent update of Wine packages in Sid, some programs do not > run because of a missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll. They all worked just fine > with the previous version. > > ~$ wine SpaceEngine.exe > 014c:err:module:import_dll Library libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll (which is needed > by L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\zlib1.dll") not > found > 014c:err:module:import_dll Loading library zlib1.dll (which is needed > by L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\libtiff3.dll") > failed ( > error c07b). > 014c:err:module:import_dll Library libtiff3.dll (which is needed by > L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\SpaceEngine.exe") not > found > 014c:err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Importing dlls for > L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\SpaceEngine.exe" > failed, status c135 > > I looked in my backups and I never had any libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll > installed in my system, but now it seems to be needed. > > Any ideas? Thanks in advance Hi Hello! When I didn't find libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll at first, installing the other missing libraries by using winetricks I was able to start my applications at least. Start with zlib1.dll - that is in winetricks. Then copy the other libraries into the pertinent folders of your windows folder of your wine installation. libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll can be found here https://www.sts-tutorial.com/download/start/Mjc2NA==[1] and libtiff3.dll can be faound herehttps://everydll.com/gnuwin32/libtiff3-dll/#download-dll[2] Google is your friend - this time - ..._ _.__ __... ...__ -- Eike Lantzsch ZP6CGE [1] https://www.sts-tutorial.com/download/start/Mjc2NA== [2] https://everydll.com/gnuwin32/libtiff3-dll/#download-dll
Wine fails because of missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll
Hello After the recent update of Wine packages in Sid, some programs do not run because of a missing libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll. They all worked just fine with the previous version. ~$ wine SpaceEngine.exe 014c:err:module:import_dll Library libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\zlib1.dll") not found 014c:err:module:import_dll Loading library zlib1.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\libtiff3.dll") failed ( error c07b). 014c:err:module:import_dll Library libtiff3.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\SpaceEngine.exe") not found 014c:err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Importing dlls for L"Z:\\home\\eoz\\Programs\\SpaceEngine\\system\\SpaceEngine.exe" failed, status c135 I looked in my backups and I never had any libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll installed in my system, but now it seems to be needed. Any ideas? Thanks in advance
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On 10/10/2021 05:47 PM, Tom Dial wrote: On 10/10/21 04:14, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/09/2021 10:24 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: (Omitted) Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games or Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. For context, I've been providing informal support to a local couple for decades. He is a retired pastor, now a missionary. They need a new computer and as part of my support, I'll be purchasing a replacement. As I've not used Windows since WinXP and they are pure Windows users I planned to dual boot Windows and Debian. Debian primarily for its maintenance tools. I hope WINE will run enough of their "must have" apps that I can use that as a selling point to move from Windows to Linux. In those cases, just run Windows in a virtual machine which is what I do for ALL Windows apps I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! On my personal machines I would have no motivation to install a VM. However, I'll investigate the pros/cons of having their machine run a VM in which I would run Debian as a demo. Full disclosure: I have not run WINE for 20 years or more, and assume without argument that it is much improved over what it was then. I run VMs regularly under Linux (using KVM), but the current ones are either Linux or FreeBSD; I haven't done a Windows VM for years. That said, it is not the right solution for the problem you describe. And with due respect to Patrick, I do not think running windows in a (presumably) Linux VM is a good solution either. Description tangled as well being in flux. I will supply them with a Windows machine. For my convenience it will have a VM running Debian. The only use being considered now for WINE is my personal home machines. I have supported my wife's various computers for about 25 years under an oral service agreement providing that I will install software as requested, maintain the OS and installed software regularly, analyze and correct software and hardware problems as necessary, and replace the hardware as appropriate. That, and no more, under threat of Serious Issues. That has brought the suffering of Windows 95, now long in the past, and over time reinforced the validity of the first rule I was given as a novice mainframe system programmer 30 years ago: "We install vanilla." Running an emulator like WINE, or Windows in a Linux (?) VM, would likely lead to operational issues arising from interfaces that are not overly well documented and therefore hard to analyze. Resolution often would have to based on web search results of uncertain accuracy and reliability, and consequent false starts and customer dissatisfaction. Either would cause you excessive work and likely enough bring unhappiness to both you and those you aim to assist. Agreed. I recommend you select, with your users' concurrence, a suitable factory refurbished business-grade laptop[1] from a major manufacturer. I have used HP, but Dell, Lenovo, and maybe others probably have similar programs. Refurbished business laptops are a bit costlier than new consumer laptops with comparable performance, but they also are built to a higher standard of reliability and come with significantly less preloaded crapware. They also (HP experience here) may have useful built in diagnostic tools and support software/firmware maintenance support, and they come with a full new unit warranty; in my experience, any defects are minor and cosmetic. I've already talking to such a local vendor. I've bought several Lenovos from them and have observed how they interact with non-tech customers. Also, IIUC they can provide on customer site service. For the use case you describe, I also recommend a service agreement, if available, that provides pick up and delivery service. The HP ones (presently $137 for three year coverage) are fairly inexpensive. While they are unlikely to be used, I consider them worthwhile unless there is a serious cost constraint). Such equipment will come with preinstalled and configured Windows, and current Microsoft maintenance support is quite good and relatively trouble free. And when problems do arise, Microsoft or manufacturer support is likely to be usable to resolve it; they certainly will be as good as random WWW support for a home-brew OS and software setup. Linux tools are undeniable useful in some cases, but will rarely be necessary for a vanilla or nearly vanilla Windows setup. For those instances where they are, it always is nice to have a bootable CD, DVD, or USB key with Linux and a set of common tools on it. I generally use a recent Debian DVD #1 for this and install any missing tools as necessary once it is booted and running. Having Debian in a VM would be nice, but not a deal breaker. Regards Tom Dial [1] Manufacturers
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On 10/10/2021 11:03 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 05:14:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/09/2021 10:24 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games or Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. For context, I've been providing informal support to a local couple for decades. He is a retired pastor, now a missionary. They need a new computer and as part of my support, I'll be purchasing a replacement. As I've not used Windows since WinXP and they are pure Windows users I planned to dual boot Windows and Debian. Debian primarily for its maintenance tools. I hope WINE will run enough of their "must have" apps that I can use that as a selling point to move from Windows to Linux. In all honesty, I wouldn't do that: don't force a dual boot on anyone that isn't an expert computer user. They could readily get confused / boot into the wrong OS. That was one of my concerns having done that to myself on my own machines. If I decide to have Debian on their machine it *will be* by using a VM. Better, in this instance, to buy a new computer with Windows and whatever office software they might need and for you to learn enough to use Windows 10 or 11. I can use Windows, I just want Debian tools available to me. If you get Windows Pro, you could readily use Debian over WSL2 if you had to. Reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Subsystem_for_Linux raises all sorts of "red flags". Reminds me of why I abandoned M$ in days of WinXP. On a new computer, don't take the risk of making it dual boot, perhaps having to reinstall Windows, "voiding warranty" and creating a further rod for your back in support. Agreed! This is, perhaps, an unusual viewpoint to take - but I have been involved in trying to set up a special purpose machine for someone who didn't appreciate the help that I was endeavouring to provide, queried costs and so on. > I ended up paying money out of my own pocket to fix items because I was guilt-tripped into it. I'm fortunately in a different situation. I've given better support for free than what they got from the big box store where they bought their current machine. As part of my support the missions agency I'm supplying the machine and its upkeep. In those cases, just run Windows in a virtual machine which is what I do for ALL Windows apps I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! As a Linux user, on your own machine, absolutely. Again, you do need to know what you're doing this for and the limitations of Windows - it's something I have considered for folk who are predominantly Linux users but have to use Windows occasionally for work. On my personal machines I would have no motivation to install a VM. However, I'll investigate the pros/cons of having their machine run a VM in which I would run Debian as a demo. Are there good FOSS or low cost VMs for Windows machines? Microsoft's WSL2 is the closest you'll get. That and Debian are no cost options - but in that instance, you have to get your Debian instance from the Microsoft store. That requirement eliminates WSL2 from consideration. I'm investigating Virtualbox and VM Ware. Thanks All best, as ever, Andy Cater
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On 10/10/21 04:14, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/09/2021 10:24 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 >> Richard Owlett wrote: (Omitted) > > >> >> Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running >> Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games or >> Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. > > For context, I've been providing informal support to a local couple for > decades. He is a retired pastor, now a missionary. They need a new > computer and as part of my support, I'll be purchasing a replacement. As > I've not used Windows since WinXP and they are pure Windows users I > planned to dual boot Windows and Debian. Debian primarily for its > maintenance tools. I hope WINE will run enough of their "must have" apps > that I can use that as a selling point to move from Windows to Linux. > >> In those cases, just run Windows in a virtual machine which is what I do >> for ALL Windows apps I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! > > On my personal machines I would have no motivation to install a VM. > However, I'll investigate the pros/cons of having their machine run a VM > in which I would run Debian as a demo. > Full disclosure: I have not run WINE for 20 years or more, and assume without argument that it is much improved over what it was then. I run VMs regularly under Linux (using KVM), but the current ones are either Linux or FreeBSD; I haven't done a Windows VM for years. That said, it is not the right solution for the problem you describe. And with due respect to Patrick, I do not think running windows in a (presumably) Linux VM is a good solution either. I have supported my wife's various computers for about 25 years under an oral service agreement providing that I will install software as requested, maintain the OS and installed software regularly, analyze and correct software and hardware problems as necessary, and replace the hardware as appropriate. That, and no more, under threat of Serious Issues. That has brought the suffering of Windows 95, now long in the past, and over time reinforced the validity of the first rule I was given as a novice mainframe system programmer 30 years ago: "We install vanilla." Running an emulator like WINE, or Windows in a Linux (?) VM, would likely lead to operational issues arising from interfaces that are not overly well documented and therefore hard to analyze. Resolution often would have to based on web search results of uncertain accuracy and reliability, and consequent false starts and customer dissatisfaction. Either would cause you excessive work and likely enough bring unhappiness to both you and those you aim to assist. I recommend you select, with your users' concurrence, a suitable factory refurbished business-grade laptop[1] from a major manufacturer. I have used HP, but Dell, Lenovo, and maybe others probably have similar programs. Refurbished business laptops are a bit costlier than new consumer laptops with comparable performance, but they also are built to a higher standard of reliability and come with significantly less preloaded crapware. They also (HP experience here) may have useful built in diagnostic tools and support software/firmware maintenance support, and they come with a full new unit warranty; in my experience, any defects are minor and cosmetic. For the use case you describe, I also recommend a service agreement, if available, that provides pick up and delivery service. The HP ones (presently $137 for three year coverage) are fairly inexpensive. While they are unlikely to be used, I consider them worthwhile unless there is a serious cost constraint). Such equipment will come with preinstalled and configured Windows, and current Microsoft maintenance support is quite good and relatively trouble free. And when problems do arise, Microsoft or manufacturer support is likely to be usable to resolve it; they certainly will be as good as random WWW support for a home-brew OS and software setup. Linux tools are undeniable useful in some cases, but will rarely be necessary for a vanilla or nearly vanilla Windows setup. For those instances where they are, it always is nice to have a bootable CD, DVD, or USB key with Linux and a set of common tools on it. I generally use a recent Debian DVD #1 for this and install any missing tools as necessary once it is booted and running. Regards Tom Dial [1] Manufacturers also will offer refurbished business desktop or workstation equipment. I like laptops not only for their portability, but because, having only one piece, they simpler to deal with. > Are there good FOSS or low cost VMs for Windows machines? > > Thanks
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 02:05:20PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: I use VirtualBox for my VM needs, but why would you need to: Google Earth has versions that run natively on Windows, OSX and Linux or you can run it in most any web browsers -- https://earth.google.com/ -- regardless of OS. It has been several years since I had need for Earth. Thanks for the update. RLH
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 05:14:36 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/09/2021 10:24 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > >> [snip] > > > > > Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running > > Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games > > or Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. > > For context, I've been providing informal support to a local couple > for decades. He is a retired pastor, now a missionary. They need a > new computer and as part of my support, I'll be purchasing a > replacement. As I've not used Windows since WinXP and they are pure > Windows users I planned to dual boot Windows and Debian. Debian > primarily for its maintenance tools. I hope WINE will run enough of > their "must have" apps that I can use that as a selling point to move > from Windows to Linux. If all they've ever used is Windows, leave it at that. Don't attempt to switch them to Linux. It will be more trouble than it's worth. Get them a laptop with Windows, clean the preinstalled and CPU cycles eating background crap off of it, bring it up-to-date, and you're done. > > In those cases, just run Windows in a virtual machine which is what > > I do for ALL Windows apps I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! > > On my personal machines I would have no motivation to install a VM. > However, I'll investigate the pros/cons of having their machine run a > VM in which I would run Debian as a demo. Unless they really NEED Debian or Linux, don't bother. If you want to demo Linux just get one of the many "live" versions to boot the system. Then they can play with it without installing. And it won't do anything to their existing Windows install. > Are there good FOSS or low cost VMs for Windows machines? Windows has it's own VM. Can't remember its name, but I'd recommend VirtualBox instead -- https://www.virtualbox.org/ . It's free and has versions that run on Linux or Windows, among others. B
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On Sun, 10 Oct 2021 03:28:42 + "Russell L. Harris" wrote: > On Sat, Oct 09, 2021 at 08:24:38AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 > >Richard Owlett wrote: > > >Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running > >Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games or > >Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. In those cases, just run > >Windows in a virtual machine which is what I do for ALL Windows apps > >I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! > > Richard, Can you recommend a virtual machine for Debian which can run > Google Earth? > > Richard didn't write that, I did -- Patrick. I use VirtualBox for my VM needs, but why would you need to: Google Earth has versions that run natively on Windows, OSX and Linux or you can run it in most any web browsers -- https://earth.google.com/ -- regardless of OS. B
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 05:14:36AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/09/2021 10:24 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running > > Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games or > > Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. > > For context, I've been providing informal support to a local couple for > decades. He is a retired pastor, now a missionary. They need a new computer > and as part of my support, I'll be purchasing a replacement. As I've not > used Windows since WinXP and they are pure Windows users I planned to dual > boot Windows and Debian. Debian primarily for its maintenance tools. I hope > WINE will run enough of their "must have" apps that I can use that as a > selling point to move from Windows to Linux. > In all honesty, I wouldn't do that: don't force a dual boot on anyone that isn't an expert computer user. They could readily get confused / boot into the wrong OS. Better, in this instance, to buy a new computer with Windows and whatever office software they might need and for you to learn enough to use Windows 10 or 11. If you get Windows Pro, you could readily use Debian over WSL2 if you had to. On a new computer, don't take the risk of making it dual boot, perhaps having to reinstall Windows, "voiding warranty" and creating a further rod for your back in support. This is, perhaps, an unusual viewpoint to take - but I have been involved in trying to set up a special purpose machine for someone who didn't appreciate the help that I was endeavouring to provide, queried costs and so on. I ended up paying money out of my own pocket to fix items because I was guilt-tripped into it. > > In those cases, just run Windows in a virtual machine which is what I do > > for ALL Windows apps I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! > As a Linux user, on your own machine, absolutely. Again, you do need to know what you're doing this for and the limitations of Windows - it's something I have considered for folk who are predominantly Linux users but have to use Windows occasionally for work. > On my personal machines I would have no motivation to install a VM. However, > I'll investigate the pros/cons of having their machine run a VM in which I > would run Debian as a demo. > > Are there good FOSS or low cost VMs for Windows machines? Microsoft's WSL2 is the closest you'll get. That and Debian are no cost options - but in that instance, you have to get your Debian instance from the Microsoft store. > > Thanks > > > All best, as ever, Andy Cater > > > >
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On 10/09/2021 10:28 PM, Russell L. Harris wrote: On Sat, Oct 09, 2021 at 08:24:38AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games or Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. In those cases, just run Windows in a virtual machine which is what I do for ALL Windows apps I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! Richard, Can you recommend a virtual machine for Debian which can run Google Earth? I have never used a VM. See my reply to Patrick.
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On 10/09/2021 10:24 AM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: I just installed WINE64 on a Bullseye system. I'm looking for a basic tutorial. Got no promising hits from DuckDuckGo or Google. I did some unproductive roaming of https://www.winehq.org/ . Really? "No promising hits?" I did an "install set up wine" DuckDuckGo search and got numerous useful hits. Of course, if you're looking for a Bullseye specific tutorial, I doubt if you' find one -- too new. Your search terms were better than mine ;/ I included "+tutorial" as a keyword and top hits were how to use git to submit patches. Maybe, these will help: https://itsfoss.com/use-windows-applications-linux/ https://linuxhint.com/install-use-wine-linux/ They gave me what I hoped for in posting -- additional search terms that relate some of my goals. In addition to both being the type of tutorial I was looking for, the second does not have the string "tutorial" in any context. Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games or Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. For context, I've been providing informal support to a local couple for decades. He is a retired pastor, now a missionary. They need a new computer and as part of my support, I'll be purchasing a replacement. As I've not used Windows since WinXP and they are pure Windows users I planned to dual boot Windows and Debian. Debian primarily for its maintenance tools. I hope WINE will run enough of their "must have" apps that I can use that as a selling point to move from Windows to Linux. In those cases, just run Windows in a virtual machine which is what I do for ALL Windows apps I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! On my personal machines I would have no motivation to install a VM. However, I'll investigate the pros/cons of having their machine run a VM in which I would run Debian as a demo. Are there good FOSS or low cost VMs for Windows machines? Thanks
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On Sat, Oct 09, 2021 at 08:24:38AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games or Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. In those cases, just run Windows in a virtual machine which is what I do for ALL Windows apps I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! Richard, Can you recommend a virtual machine for Debian which can run Google Earth? -- How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up? - Deuteronomy 32:30
Re: First time WINE user looking for tutorial
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 09:40:21 -0500 Richard Owlett wrote: > I just installed WINE64 on a Bullseye system. I'm looking for a basic > tutorial. Got no promising hits from DuckDuckGo or Google. I did some > unproductive roaming of https://www.winehq.org/ . Really? "No promising hits?" I did an "install set up wine" DuckDuckGo search and got numerous useful hits. Of course, if you're looking for a Bullseye specific tutorial, I doubt if you' find one -- too new. Maybe, these will help: https://itsfoss.com/use-windows-applications-linux/ https://linuxhint.com/install-use-wine-linux/ Just be forewarned, WINE is not the catchall solution to running Windows apps: The more involved codewise the program is like games or Photoshop, the more problems you'll have. In those cases, just run Windows in a virtual machine which is what I do for ALL Windows apps I need. Less or virtually no gotchas! B
First time WINE user looking for tutorial
I just installed WINE64 on a Bullseye system. I'm looking for a basic tutorial. Got no promising hits from DuckDuckGo or Google. I did some unproductive roaming of https://www.winehq.org/ . I haven't used Windows since days of WinXP and I want to introduce a Windows using friend to Debian. Blind leading blind ;/ Suggestions? TIA
Re: iTunesSetup.exe in wine?
From: Floris Renaud
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 07:50:37 +
> You can read the WineHQ wiki for more information about prefixes:
> https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Wineprefixes
Thanks Floris.
> Do you have the same error if you try:
> WINEPREFIX=~/itunes wine iTunesSetup.exe
Transcript follows. (Apology for questionable use of data.) During
that output, notifications about Mono and Gecko appeared. The Mono
notification is at http://easthope.ca/WineNotification.png . Appears
that Mono and Gecko are needed to use iTunes successfully whereas
Debian packages are not available. Ref.
https://wiki.debian.org/Wine#Mono_and_Gecko There might be a good
reason for absence from the Debian package archive. =8~)
For zero or a few dollars, someone in the city will unbrick the
iPhone. Wine is interesting but making it work for a small task is a
stretch.
Thanks for the help, ... P.
peter@joule:~$ WINEPREFIX=~/itunes wine iTunesSetup.exe
wine: created the configuration directory '/home/peter/itunes'
0050:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub, hr
0x80004002
0050:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
{6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, hr 0x80004002
0050:err:ole:apartment_get_local_server_stream Failed: 0x80004002
0048:err:ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub, hr
0x80004002
0048:err:ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface
{6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, hr 0x80004002
0048:err:ole:apartment_get_local_server_stream Failed: 0x80004002
0048:err:ole:start_rpcss Failed to open RpcSs service
0040:err:setupapi:SetupDefaultQueueCallbackW copy error 1812 L"@wineusb.sys,-1"
-> L"C:\\windows\\inf\\wineusb.inf"
Could not find Wine Gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
wine: configuration in L"/home/peter/itunes" has been updated.
0114:fixme:file:NtLockFile I/O completion on lock not implemented yet
0114:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class
SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
0114:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0114:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0114:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0114:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0138:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_SetBlanket 62EA17A8, 0013B220, 10, 0,
(null), 3, 3, , 0x
0138:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_Release 62EA17A8
0138:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class
SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
0154:fixme:exec:SHELL_execute flags ignored: 0x0100
0160:fixme:file:NtLockFile I/O completion on lock not implemented yet
0160:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class
SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
0160:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0160:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0160:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0160:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0184:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_SetBlanket 62EA17A8, 00137568, 10, 0,
(null), 3, 3, , 0x
0184:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_Release 62EA17A8
0184:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class
SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
01d8:fixme:hnetcfg:netfw_rules_Item 00142C38, L"Apple Push Service", 0172FB9C
01cc:fixme:msi:internal_ui_handler internal UI not implemented for message
0x0b00 (UI level = 5)
01d0:fixme:msi:internal_ui_handler internal UI not implemented for message
0x0b00 (UI level = 5)
0160:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0160:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0160:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0160:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
023c:fixme:hnetcfg:fw_app_put_Enabled 001393D0, -1
024c:fixme:winsock:WSCUnInstallNameSpace
({b600e6e9-553b-4a19-8696-335e5c896153}) Stub!
024c:fixme:winsock:WSCInstallNameSpace (L"mdnsNSP" L"C:\\Program
Files\\Bonjour\\mdnsNSP.dll" 0x000c 0x0001
{b600e6e9-553b-4a19-8696-335e5c896153}) Stub!
025c:fixme:heap:RtlSetHeapInformation 1 0 stub
025c:fixme:heap:RtlSetHeapInformation 1 0 stub
0268:fixme:advapi:RegisterEventSourceW ((null),L"Bonjour Service"): stub
0268:fixme:advapi:ReportEventA
(CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,0119FA8C,):
stub
0268:fixme:advapi:ReportEventW
(CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,00121380,):
stub
0268:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
0268:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
0268:fixme:winsock:WS_setsockopt Unknown IPPROTO_IPV6 optname 0x0013
0268:err:win
Re: iTunesSetup.exe in wine?
On Thursday 07 October 2021 05:40:42 (+02:00), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > From: Floris Renaud > Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 21:54:31 + > > What version of Wine do you use? > > peter@joule:/home/peter$ dpkg -l | grep wine > ii wine-stable 6.0.1~bullseye-1 i386 WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS > Windows programs > ii wine-stable-i386 6.0.1~bullseye-1 i386 WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS > Windows programs > ii winehq-stable 6.0.1~bullseye-1 i386 WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS > Windows programs > > peter@joule:/home/peter$ head -n 1 /etc/os-release > PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" > > peter@joule:/home/peter$ uname -a > Linux joule 5.10.0-8-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 5.10.46-5 (2021-09-23) i686 > GNU/Linux > > > ITunes version 12.8.0.150 seems to install and work normally with > > Wine 6.18 ¹ in a clean Wineprefix ². > > What is meant by "clean Wineprefix"? > > Rather than pursue 6.18, I might pay a shop a few dollars to reset the > iPhone. > > Thanks! ... P. > A clean Wineprefix is a virtual Windows installation without other programs installed. You can read the WineHQ wiki for more information about prefixes: https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Wineprefixes Do you have the same error if you try: WINEPREFIX=~/itunes wine iTunesSetup.exe
Re: iTunesSetup.exe in wine?
From: Floris Renaud Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 21:54:31 + > What version of Wine do you use? peter@joule:/home/peter$ dpkg -l | grep wine ii wine-stable 6.0.1~bullseye-1 i386 WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS Windows programs ii wine-stable-i386 6.0.1~bullseye-1 i386 WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS Windows programs ii winehq-stable6.0.1~bullseye-1 i386 WINE Is Not An Emulator - runs MS Windows programs peter@joule:/home/peter$ head -n 1 /etc/os-release PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)" peter@joule:/home/peter$ uname -a Linux joule 5.10.0-8-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 5.10.46-5 (2021-09-23) i686 GNU/Linux > ITunes version 12.8.0.150 seems to install and work normally with > Wine 6.18 ¹ in a clean Wineprefix ². What is meant by "clean Wineprefix"? Rather than pursue 6.18, I might pay a shop a few dollars to reset the iPhone. Thanks! ... P. -- 48.7693 N 123.3053 W mobile: +1 778 951 5147 VoIP: +1 604 670 0140
Re: iTunesSetup.exe in wine?
On Wednesday 06 October 2021 22:13:53 (+02:00), pe...@easthope.ca wrote:
> From: Floris Renaud
> Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 10:27:20 +
> > An older version of iTunes does seem to work.
> > https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47165
>
> Thanks. Version 12.8.x is claimed to work. This is 12.8.0.150.
>
> peter@joule:~$ wine iTunesSetup.exe
> 00d8:fixme:heap:RtlSetHeapInformation 1 0 stub
> 00d8:fixme:heap:RtlSetHeapInformation 1 0 stub
> 00e4:fixme:advapi:RegisterEventSourceW ((null),L"Bonjour Service"): stub
> 00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventA
> (CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,0119FA8C,):
> stub
> 00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventW
> (CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,001213F0,):
> stub
> 00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
> 00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
> 00e4:fixme:winsock:WS_setsockopt Unknown IPPROTO_IPV6 optname 0x0013
> 00e4:err:winsock:WSAIoctl -> ?('', 12, 18) request failed with status 0x2733
> 00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventA
> (CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,0119FA8C,):
> stub
> 00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventW
> (CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,001219C0,):
> stub
> 0098:fixme:service:svcctl_EnumServicesStatusExW resume handle not supported
> 0098:fixme:service:svcctl_EnumServicesStatusExW resume handle not supported
> 0098:fixme:service:svcctl_EnumServicesStatusExW resume handle not supported
> 0098:fixme:service:svcctl_EnumServicesStatusExW resume handle not supported
> 00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventA
> (CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,0119FA8C,):
> stub
> 00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventW
> (CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,001219C0,):
> stub
> 00e4:fixme:netapi32:NetGetJoinInformation Semi-stub (null) 0x119fb44 0x119fb3c
> 00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
> 00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
> 00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
> 00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
> 00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
> 00e4:fixme:winsock:WS_setsockopt Unknown IPPROTO_IPV6 optname 0x0013
> 0118:fixme:file:NtLockFile I/O completion on lock not implemented yet
> 0118:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class
> SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
> 0118:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
> 0118:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
> 0118:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
> 0118:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
> 012c:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_SetBlanket 62EA17A8, 0013B178, 10, 0,
> (null), 3, 3, , 0x
> 012c:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_Release 62EA17A8
> 012c:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class
> SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
>
> Is fixme a serious problem?
>
> How can
> 0118:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
> be fixed? Something needed in the registry?
>
> Thanks! ... P.
>
What version of Wine do you use?
ITunes version 12.8.0.150 seems to install and work normally with Wine 6.18 ¹
in a clean Wineprefix ².
¹) https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian
²) https://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ#Wineprefixes
Re: iTunesSetup.exe in wine?
From: Floris Renaud
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 10:27:20 +
> An older version of iTunes does seem to work.
> https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47165
Thanks. Version 12.8.x is claimed to work. This is 12.8.0.150.
peter@joule:~$ wine iTunesSetup.exe
00d8:fixme:heap:RtlSetHeapInformation 1 0 stub
00d8:fixme:heap:RtlSetHeapInformation 1 0 stub
00e4:fixme:advapi:RegisterEventSourceW ((null),L"Bonjour Service"): stub
00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventA
(CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,0119FA8C,):
stub
00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventW
(CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,001213F0,):
stub
00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
00e4:fixme:winsock:WS_setsockopt Unknown IPPROTO_IPV6 optname 0x0013
00e4:err:winsock:WSAIoctl -> ?('', 12, 18) request failed with status 0x2733
00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventA
(CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,0119FA8C,):
stub
00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventW
(CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,001219C0,):
stub
0098:fixme:service:svcctl_EnumServicesStatusExW resume handle not supported
0098:fixme:service:svcctl_EnumServicesStatusExW resume handle not supported
0098:fixme:service:svcctl_EnumServicesStatusExW resume handle not supported
0098:fixme:service:svcctl_EnumServicesStatusExW resume handle not supported
00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventA
(CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,0119FA8C,):
stub
00e4:fixme:advapi:ReportEventW
(CAFE4242,0x0004,0x,0x0064,,0x0001,0x,001219C0,):
stub
00e4:fixme:netapi32:NetGetJoinInformation Semi-stub (null) 0x119fb44 0x119fb3c
00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
00e4:fixme:winsock:WSAIoctl WS_SIO_UDP_CONNRESET stub
00e4:fixme:winsock:WS_setsockopt Unknown IPPROTO_IPV6 optname 0x0013
0118:fixme:file:NtLockFile I/O completion on lock not implemented yet
0118:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class
SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
0118:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0118:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0118:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
0118:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
012c:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_SetBlanket 62EA17A8, 0013B178, 10, 0,
(null), 3, 3, , 0x
012c:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_Release 62EA17A8
012c:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class
SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION
Is fixme a serious problem?
How can
0118:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot
be fixed? Something needed in the registry?
Thanks! ... P.
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Re: iTunesSetup.exe in wine?
On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 17:02:05 +1100 Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > On 6/10/21 07:48, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > A bricked iPhone directs "connect to iTunes". > > > > Attempting to run iTunesSetup.exe on wine yields the following. > > Ideas? > > > > Thx, ... P. > > > > peter@joule:~$ wine iTunesSetup.exe > > 0104:fixme:file:NtLockFile I/O completion on lock not implemented yet > > 0104:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class > > SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION > > 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot > > 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot > > 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot > > 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot > > 0128:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_SetBlanket 62EA17A8, 0013B3A8, 10, 0, > > (null), 3, 3, , 0x > > 0128:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_Release 62EA17A8 > > 0128:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class > > SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION > > 0104:err:msi:ITERATE_Actions Execution halted, action L"LaunchConditions" > > returned 1603 > > 0024:fixme:kernelbase:AppPolicyGetProcessTerminationMethod FFFA, > > 0031FEAC > > peter@joule:~$ > > > > > > > Option one: play-on-linux > > Option 2: CrossOver a commercial app, based on wine but with > non-open-source and paid for content. Its main claim to fame was that it > would run MSOffice better. There is a trial period. The OP can also consider Lutris: https://lutris.net/games/itunes/ I've used it for other things, not iTunes, but it has worked quite well for me, and it can be simpler and less intimidating than straight Wine. > This link lists a few more options which I'd not heard of until I went > looking for the name of Crossover: > > https://alternativeto.net/software/wine/?platform=linux Celejar
Re: iTunesSetup.exe in wine?
On Tuesday 05 October 2021 22:48:10 (+02:00), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > A bricked iPhone directs "connect to iTunes". > > Attempting to run iTunesSetup.exe on wine yields the following. > Ideas? > > Thx, ... P. > > peter@joule:~$ wine iTunesSetup.exe > 0104:fixme:file:NtLockFile I/O completion on lock not implemented yet > 0104:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION > 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot > 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot > 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot > 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot > 0128:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_SetBlanket 62EA17A8, 0013B3A8, 10, 0, (null), 3, 3, , 0x > 0128:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_Release 62EA17A8 > 0128:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION > 0104:err:msi:ITERATE_Actions Execution halted, action L"LaunchConditions" returned 1603 > 0024:fixme:kernelbase:AppPolicyGetProcessTerminationMethod FFFA, 0031FEAC > peter@joule:~$ > > The latest version of iTunes does not work well with Wine. (Or with wine-staging or wine-ge-custom). An older version of iTunes does seem to work. https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47165 Floris
Re: iTunesSetup.exe in wine?
On 6/10/21 07:48, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: A bricked iPhone directs "connect to iTunes". Attempting to run iTunesSetup.exe on wine yields the following. Ideas? Thx, ... P. peter@joule:~$ wine iTunesSetup.exe 0104:fixme:file:NtLockFile I/O completion on lock not implemented yet 0104:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot 0128:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_SetBlanket 62EA17A8, 0013B3A8, 10, 0, (null), 3, 3, , 0x 0128:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_Release 62EA17A8 0128:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION 0104:err:msi:ITERATE_Actions Execution halted, action L"LaunchConditions" returned 1603 0024:fixme:kernelbase:AppPolicyGetProcessTerminationMethod FFFA, 0031FEAC peter@joule:~$ Option one: play-on-linux Option 2: CrossOver a commercial app, based on wine but with non-open-source and paid for content. Its main claim to fame was that it would run MSOffice better. There is a trial period. This link lists a few more options which I'd not heard of until I went looking for the name of Crossover: https://alternativeto.net/software/wine/?platform=linux -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keithrbaugro...@gmail.com
iTunesSetup.exe in wine?
A bricked iPhone directs "connect to iTunes". Attempting to run iTunesSetup.exe on wine yields the following. Ideas? Thx, ... P. peter@joule:~$ wine iTunesSetup.exe 0104:fixme:file:NtLockFile I/O completion on lock not implemented yet 0104:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot 0104:err:mscoree:LoadLibraryShim error reading registry key for installroot 0128:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_SetBlanket 62EA17A8, 0013B3A8, 10, 0, (null), 3, 3, , 0x 0128:fixme:wbemprox:client_security_Release 62EA17A8 0128:fixme:ntdll:NtQuerySystemInformation info_class SYSTEM_PERFORMANCE_INFORMATION 0104:err:msi:ITERATE_Actions Execution halted, action L"LaunchConditions" returned 1603 0024:fixme:kernelbase:AppPolicyGetProcessTerminationMethod FFFA, 0031FEAC peter@joule:~$ -- 48.7693 N 123.3053 W mobile: +1 778 951 5147 VoIP: +1 604 670 0140
Re: _INTRODUCTION_ to installing/using Wine?
On Mon 27 Sep 2021 at 14:28:37 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 09/26/2021 08:54 AM, piorunz wrote:
> > On 26/09/2021 14:42, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > I have not used any version of Windows since WinXP and have the AMD64
> > > flavor of Debian 10.7 installed on the relevant machine.
> > >
> > > I wish to do two things:
> > > 1. Explore some text manipulation applications I used then
> > > (obviously 32 bit apps).
> > > 2. Explore Bible study tools used by others at church
> > > (32 or 64 bit ???).
> > >
> > > I have found references [1][2] suitable for addressing specific detailed
> > > questions. I'm looking for introductory material -- especially such that
> > > would cause me to think of questions I should consider before proceeding.
> > > Suggestions?
> > > TIA
> > >
> > > References:
> > > 1. https://wiki.debian.org/Wine
> > > 2. https://www.winehq.org/
> > > Goes into much detail but does not have an "overview only" page.
> >
> > After you install Wine (your reference materials covers that), simply
> > execute in terminal "wine name_of_your_exe" from the folder where .exe is.
> >
> > That's all.
>
> I *DOUBT* it as:
> 1. I'm well past "three score and ten" ;}
Of what possible relevance is that? There are other users who use the
same argument, often giving extensive excrutiating biographical details.
A user may doubt the advice given, but I thought piorunz's helpful post
deserved a less ageist response.
> 2. [1] explicitly states:
> > Users on a 64-bit system should make sure that both wine32
> > and wine64 (...) are installed ...
>
> Careful reading of [1] and [2] {w/apologies to J. Caesar} suggests:
> " All .exe are divided into three flavors:
> 1. pure 32 bit
> 2. pure 64 bit
> 3. pure hodgepodge
> "
> >
> > If something doesn't work, install required components using winetricks.
> > Simply install package winetricks, open it, and navigate graphically to
> > install .Net Frameworks, C++ redistributables and whatever else your
> > Windows app needs to operate.
>
> Is not that paragraph sufficient justification for my question?
Without a doubt it is.
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Brian.
Re: _INTRODUCTION_ to installing/using Wine?
On 27/09/2021 20:28, Richard Owlett wrote:
That's all.
I *DOUBT* it as:
1. I'm well past "three score and ten" ;}
2. [1] explicitly states:
> Users on a 64-bit system should make sure that both wine32
> and wine64 (...) are installed ...
Yes, you have problem with that?
Careful reading of [1] and [2] {w/apologies to J. Caesar} suggests:
" All .exe are divided into three flavors:
1. pure 32 bit
2. pure 64 bit
3. pure hodgepodge
Not sure what are you on about here.
If something doesn't work, install required components using winetricks.
Simply install package winetricks, open it, and navigate graphically to
install .Net Frameworks, C++ redistributables and whatever else your
Windows app needs to operate.
Is not that paragraph sufficient justification for my question?
YMMV
ROFL
YMMV, yeah. Works perfectly fine for me though. I use Wine profiles,
Wine devel from WineHQ, Lutris Wine, Steam Proton Wine. Everything
polished and purposely used, no problems whatsoever, I use Forex trading
program 24/7/365 in Wine, among many other things. My "mileage" is great.
Let me know if you have any real questions.
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Re: _INTRODUCTION_ to installing/using Wine?
On 09/26/2021 08:54 AM, piorunz wrote:
On 26/09/2021 14:42, Richard Owlett wrote:
I have not used any version of Windows since WinXP and have the AMD64
flavor of Debian 10.7 installed on the relevant machine.
I wish to do two things:
1. Explore some text manipulation applications I used then
(obviously 32 bit apps).
2. Explore Bible study tools used by others at church
(32 or 64 bit ???).
I have found references [1][2] suitable for addressing specific detailed
questions. I'm looking for introductory material -- especially such that
would cause me to think of questions I should consider before proceeding.
Suggestions?
TIA
References:
1. https://wiki.debian.org/Wine
2. https://www.winehq.org/
Goes into much detail but does not have an "overview only" page.
After you install Wine (your reference materials covers that), simply
execute in terminal "wine name_of_your_exe" from the folder where .exe is.
That's all.
I *DOUBT* it as:
1. I'm well past "three score and ten" ;}
2. [1] explicitly states:
> Users on a 64-bit system should make sure that both wine32
> and wine64 (...) are installed ...
Careful reading of [1] and [2] {w/apologies to J. Caesar} suggests:
" All .exe are divided into three flavors:
1. pure 32 bit
2. pure 64 bit
3. pure hodgepodge
"
If something doesn't work, install required components using winetricks.
Simply install package winetricks, open it, and navigate graphically to
install .Net Frameworks, C++ redistributables and whatever else your
Windows app needs to operate.
Is not that paragraph sufficient justification for my question?
YMMV
ROFL
;}
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With kindest regards, Piotr.
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Re: _INTRODUCTION_ to installing/using Wine?
On 26/09/2021 14:42, Richard Owlett wrote: I have not used any version of Windows since WinXP and have the AMD64 flavor of Debian 10.7 installed on the relevant machine. I wish to do two things: 1. Explore some text manipulation applications I used then (obviously 32 bit apps). 2. Explore Bible study tools used by others at church (32 or 64 bit ???). I have found references [1][2] suitable for addressing specific detailed questions. I'm looking for introductory material -- especially such that would cause me to think of questions I should consider before proceeding. Suggestions? TIA References: 1. https://wiki.debian.org/Wine 2. https://www.winehq.org/ Goes into much detail but does not have an "overview only" page. After you install Wine (your reference materials covers that), simply execute in terminal "wine name_of_your_exe" from the folder where .exe is. That's all. If something doesn't work, install required components using winetricks. Simply install package winetricks, open it, and navigate graphically to install .Net Frameworks, C++ redistributables and whatever else your Windows app needs to operate. -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄
_INTRODUCTION_ to installing/using Wine?
I have not used any version of Windows since WinXP and have the AMD64 flavor of Debian 10.7 installed on the relevant machine. I wish to do two things: 1. Explore some text manipulation applications I used then (obviously 32 bit apps). 2. Explore Bible study tools used by others at church (32 or 64 bit ???). I have found references [1][2] suitable for addressing specific detailed questions. I'm looking for introductory material -- especially such that would cause me to think of questions I should consider before proceeding. Suggestions? TIA References: 1. https://wiki.debian.org/Wine 2. https://www.winehq.org/ Goes into much detail but does not have an "overview only" page.
Re: Adding wine64 to wine installation (buster)
On 2021-03-25 11:50 p.m., Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: "wine" command is a 32-bit ELF binary and "wine64" command is a 64-bit ELF binary. In my experience it doesn't matter which one to use, as long as you run programs inside a prefix that supports both 32-bit and 64-bit (WoW64). [1] You can use just one prefix for both 32-bit and 64-bit programs, or you can have as many prefixes as you want, each could be setup with different settings and\or DLLs, tailored specifically for some program. It is up to you how to manage them all. I use "q4wine" program (it could be installed from Debian repo) that helps to make some things easier. There is also commercial software "CrossOver" [2] from the authors of WINE project, but I've never used it. [1] https://wiki.winehq.org/Wine_User%27s_Guide#WINEARCH [2] https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover Everything is working perfectly now. Thanks for the help. Rick
Re: Adding wine64 to wine installation (buster)
On 26.03.2021 08:31, Rick Macdonald wrote: Thanks! I ran the wineboot --init command and it worked, and I was able to install the 64bit program with "wine app64.exe", and it launches. Is there a difference between the commands wine and wine64? Now, do I need to reinstall all my previous 32bit programs, or can I use WINEPREFIX pointing to the old .wine directory that I renamed ".wine32"? Rick "wine" command is a 32-bit ELF binary and "wine64" command is a 64-bit ELF binary. In my experience it doesn't matter which one to use, as long as you run programs inside a prefix that supports both 32-bit and 64-bit (WoW64). [1] You can use just one prefix for both 32-bit and 64-bit programs, or you can have as many prefixes as you want, each could be setup with different settings and\or DLLs, tailored specifically for some program. It is up to you how to manage them all. I use "q4wine" program (it could be installed from Debian repo) that helps to make some things easier. There is also commercial software "CrossOver" [2] from the authors of WINE project, but I've never used it. [1] https://wiki.winehq.org/Wine_User%27s_Guide#WINEARCH [2] https://www.codeweavers.com/crossover -- With kindest regards, Alexander. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄
Re: Adding wine64 to wine installation (buster)
Thanks! I ran the wineboot --init command and it worked, and I was able to install the 64bit program with "wine app64.exe", and it launches. Is there a difference between the commands wine and wine64? Now, do I need to reinstall all my previous 32bit programs, or can I use WINEPREFIX pointing to the old .wine directory that I renamed ".wine32"? Rick On March 25, 2021 12:10:59 p.m. MDT, "Alexander V. Makartsev" wrote: >On 25.03.2021 22:47, Rick Macdonald wrote: >> I've been running a few 32bit Windows programs with wine for many >> years, but now I need to run some 64bit programs. >> >> The Debian wine wiki says "Users on a 64-bit system should make sure >> that both wine32 and wine64 (or wine32-development and >> wine64-development) are installed". >> >> I have "deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main" in > >> sources.lists. I installed "wine64". The package lists before and >> after are below. When I try to install a 64bit program using "wine >> 64bitprogram.exe", I get the message: >> >> "This program can only be installed on versions of Windows designed >> for the following processor architectures: x64". >> >> So then I ran "wine64 64bitprogram.exe" and I get the message: >> >> "wine: '/home/myacct/.wine' is a 32-bit installation, it cannot >> support 64-bit applications." >> >> Installing wine64 didn't create a .wine64 directory. It seems like >I'm >> close, but what am I missing? Something to do with WINEPREFIX? >Correction, command should be: >$ wineboot --init > > >-- >With kindest regards, Alexander. > >⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ >⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system >⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org >⠈⠳⣄
Re: Adding wine64 to wine installation (buster)
On 25.03.2021 22:47, Rick Macdonald wrote: I've been running a few 32bit Windows programs with wine for many years, but now I need to run some 64bit programs. The Debian wine wiki says "Users on a 64-bit system should make sure that both wine32 and wine64 (or wine32-development and wine64-development) are installed". I have "deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main" in sources.lists. I installed "wine64". The package lists before and after are below. When I try to install a 64bit program using "wine 64bitprogram.exe", I get the message: "This program can only be installed on versions of Windows designed for the following processor architectures: x64". So then I ran "wine64 64bitprogram.exe" and I get the message: "wine: '/home/myacct/.wine' is a 32-bit installation, it cannot support 64-bit applications." Installing wine64 didn't create a .wine64 directory. It seems like I'm close, but what am I missing? Something to do with WINEPREFIX? Correction, command should be: $ wineboot --init -- With kindest regards, Alexander. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄
Re: Adding wine64 to wine installation (buster)
On 25.03.2021 22:47, Rick Macdonald wrote: I've been running a few 32bit Windows programs with wine for many years, but now I need to run some 64bit programs. The Debian wine wiki says "Users on a 64-bit system should make sure that both wine32 and wine64 (or wine32-development and wine64-development) are installed". I have "deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main" in sources.lists. I installed "wine64". The package lists before and after are below. When I try to install a 64bit program using "wine 64bitprogram.exe", I get the message: "This program can only be installed on versions of Windows designed for the following processor architectures: x64". So then I ran "wine64 64bitprogram.exe" and I get the message: "wine: '/home/myacct/.wine' is a 32-bit installation, it cannot support 64-bit applications." Installing wine64 didn't create a .wine64 directory. It seems like I'm close, but what am I missing? Something to do with WINEPREFIX? You have to create a fresh prefix, since you have been using only 32-bit one. It could be done by moving or renaming (for backup) existing one ".wine" and running: $ wine --init This command will create a default "$HOME/.wine" prefix that will run both 32-bit and 64-bit applications. -- With kindest regards, Alexander. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄
Adding wine64 to wine installation (buster)
I've been running a few 32bit Windows programs with wine for many years, but now I need to run some 64bit programs. The Debian wine wiki says "Users on a 64-bit system should make sure that both wine32 and wine64 (or wine32-development and wine64-development) are installed". I have "deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main" in sources.lists. I installed "wine64". The package lists before and after are below. When I try to install a 64bit program using "wine 64bitprogram.exe", I get the message: "This program can only be installed on versions of Windows designed for the following processor architectures: x64". So then I ran "wine64 64bitprogram.exe" and I get the message: "wine: '/home/myacct/.wine' is a 32-bit installation, it cannot support 64-bit applications." Installing wine64 didn't create a .wine64 directory. It seems like I'm close, but what am I missing? Something to do with WINEPREFIX? Before installing wine64: # dpkg --get-selections|grep wine fonts-wine install libwine:i386 install libwine-cms:i386 install libwine-gphoto2:i386 install libwine-ldap:i386 install libwine-openal:i386 install libwine-print:i386 install libwine-sane:i386 install wine-stable install wine-stable-amd64 install wine-stable-i386:i386 install winehq-stable install winetricks install After installing wine64: # dpkg --get-selections|grep wine fonts-wine install libwine:i386 install libwine-cms:i386 install libwine-gphoto2:i386 install libwine-ldap:i386 install libwine-openal:i386 install libwine-print:i386 install libwine-sane:i386 install wine-stable install wine-stable-amd64 install wine-stable-i386:i386 install winehq-stable install winetricks install Thanks, Rick
Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster
Thank you Nate. That is quite informative. In my case there is no need to share files over a network, though some data may be required to be stored in the local machine. Trips On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 6:27 PM Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2020 27 Jun 05:48 -0500, manish tripathi wrote: > > Thank you for the responses. I was looking for a general purpose > > solution...I can safely assume that VM soln may mostly work, while the > same > > may not be guaranteed with use of WINE. > > IME, Qemu has various issues with Windows guests, such things as the > mouse cursor not being able to go to certain desktop edges after a time > of running. I found VirtualBox was much better suited for Windows > guests but VB is not a part of Buster or Bullseye in the main > repositories so I had to install the packages made available by Lucas > Nussbaum for Buster: https://people.debian.org/~lucas/virtualbox-buster/ > > > Can one also explain about the malware that may impact my Linux/Buster, > in > > case I use a VM for running my Windows app and what can I do to minimise > > such impact. > > Someone may have better information, but it seems to me that the VM is > rather well sandboxed whether Qemu or VB. If there are shared folders > then malware could have access to those files and the network. > Certainly, anything/everything in the VM could be compromised. > VirtualBox has the feature of snapshots so that a VM could be rolled > back to a known (suspected?) good state. > > - Nate > > -- > > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all > possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." > > Web: https://www.n0nb.us > Projects: https://github.com/N0NB > GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 > >
Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster
* On 2020 27 Jun 05:48 -0500, manish tripathi wrote: > Thank you for the responses. I was looking for a general purpose > solution...I can safely assume that VM soln may mostly work, while the same > may not be guaranteed with use of WINE. IME, Qemu has various issues with Windows guests, such things as the mouse cursor not being able to go to certain desktop edges after a time of running. I found VirtualBox was much better suited for Windows guests but VB is not a part of Buster or Bullseye in the main repositories so I had to install the packages made available by Lucas Nussbaum for Buster: https://people.debian.org/~lucas/virtualbox-buster/ > Can one also explain about the malware that may impact my Linux/Buster, in > case I use a VM for running my Windows app and what can I do to minimise > such impact. Someone may have better information, but it seems to me that the VM is rather well sandboxed whether Qemu or VB. If there are shared folders then malware could have access to those files and the network. Certainly, anything/everything in the VM could be compromised. VirtualBox has the feature of snapshots so that a VM could be rolled back to a known (suspected?) good state. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster
Thank you for the responses. I was looking for a general purpose solution...I can safely assume that VM soln may mostly work, while the same may not be guaranteed with use of WINE. Can one also explain about the malware that may impact my Linux/Buster, in case I use a VM for running my Windows app and what can I do to minimise such impact. Many thanks. Trips On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 3:26 PM wrote: > Hi, > > 27 juin 2020 à 10:58 de manishtr...@gmail.com: > > > Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a > application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions > as well. > > > Nate's already given the gist but I think you should clarify whether your > question is general (any Windows-compatible application) or not (specific > application). > > Clearly, if your question is general there is no definitive answer. You > won't have any guarantee of success because it depends on a lot of factors > and on your expectations/tolerance about your experience. The cost (Windows > guest OS licence) and security (compartmentalization) aspects are not the > same as well! > > If your question is rather specific, so you have an application in mind > and you should tell us about its name at least so investigation/user > feedbacks could be possible. > Here is a good start regarding Wine compatibility: > https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse > Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true > > Best regards, > l0f4r0 > >
Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster
27 juin 2020 à 11:55 de l0f...@tuta.io: > You won't have any guarantee of success because it depends on a lot of > factors and on your expectations/tolerance about your experience. > Of course I was speaking about Wine here ;) I don't think you could possibly have any issue on a VM as most (all?) Windows softwares can run under a virtual environment (the only counter-examples I'm aware of are some malwares that detect they are running inside a VM so they can adapt their behavior)... l0f4r0
Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster
Hi, 27 juin 2020 à 10:58 de manishtr...@gmail.com: > Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a > application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions > as well. > Nate's already given the gist but I think you should clarify whether your question is general (any Windows-compatible application) or not (specific application). Clearly, if your question is general there is no definitive answer. You won't have any guarantee of success because it depends on a lot of factors and on your expectations/tolerance about your experience. The cost (Windows guest OS licence) and security (compartmentalization) aspects are not the same as well! If your question is rather specific, so you have an application in mind and you should tell us about its name at least so investigation/user feedbacks could be possible. Here is a good start regarding Wine compatibility: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&sTitle=Browse Applications&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true Best regards, l0f4r0
Re: WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster
* On 2020 27 Jun 03:59 -0500, manish tripathi wrote: > Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a > application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions > as well. My experience is that it depends on the application and what Windows calls it makes and what libraries it depends on. I try an old Windows program named Morse Runner on occasion in Wine and the sound is generally distorted and broken whereas it works fine on a real Windows OS. I also used another program named N1MM+ that will play .WAV files in Wine and its audio is smooth. N1MM+ is a .Net application and that is troublesome in Wine but it can be made to work. I have tried programs that rely on later versions of .Net and given up. Try Wine and if it's satisfactory, stick with it. All you lose is a bit of time and you can gain some "experience"! - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: https://www.n0nb.us Projects: https://github.com/N0NB GPG fingerprint: 82D6 4F6B 0E67 CD41 F689 BBA6 FB2C 5130 D55A 8819 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
WINE vs Virtual Machine for Windows app on Buster
Can someone advise if a VM is a better option than using WINE, to run a application built on Windows OS on Debian/Buster. Open to other suggestions as well. Thanks Trips
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On Vi, 01 mai 20, 14:05:42, Dale Harris wrote: > > It was pretty much a fresh install from DVD. I did have some issues > remounting the install DVD from the ILO, but otherwise it pretty normal > install. Was the system fully up-to-date before attempting to install wine32? > It's working now. That depends on your definition of "working". Mine includes "all security updates installed" ;) > > Full output would have been better here. Automatically installed > > packages that *may* be removed are not a problem, what apt wants to > > actually remove is. > > > > I could send logs, I suppose, if you want? Otherwise I didn't really keep > track of each problem package. Might not be necessary. Does 'apt update' followed by 'apt upgrade' complete cleanly, without any packages "held back"? While unorthodox[1], the downgrading of packages might have fixed the version skew. Just make sure your system is not in a situation where security updates are not applied. As a general rule, before doing any package operations make sure your system is fully updated. [1] package downgrades are generally not supported. You probably got away with it in this particular case because the difference in versions was minor. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 12:54 PM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Apparently your system has received the security update for amd64, but > not for i386. > > My guess is this the reason for the divergence between the amd64 and > i386 on your system and you should look into it. > It was pretty much a fresh install from DVD. I did have some issues remounting the install DVD from the ILO, but otherwise it pretty normal install. It's working now. > Full output would have been better here. Automatically installed > packages that *may* be removed are not a problem, what apt wants to > actually remove is. > I could send logs, I suppose, if you want? Otherwise I didn't really keep track of each problem package. -- Dale Harris rod...@maybe.org rod...@gmail.com /.-)
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On Mi, 29 apr 20, 09:35:12, Dale Harris wrote: > > Okay, did some of that, the one that really blows up is libicu63:i386, when > I try to install that it was to remove most of the amd64 packages. > > # apt-cache policy libicu63:i386 > libicu63:i386: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 63.1-6 > Version table: > 63.1-6 500 > 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages > > Compared to it's amd64 package: > > # apt-cache policy libicu63 > libicu63: > Installed: 63.1-6+deb10u1 > Candidate: 63.1-6+deb10u1 > Version table: > *** 63.1-6+deb10u1 100 > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > 63.1-6 500 > 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages Apparently your system has received the security update for amd64, but not for i386. My guess is this the reason for the divergence between the amd64 and i386 on your system and you should look into it. > if I try to install... > > # apt install libicu63:i386 > > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer > required: > acl alsa-utils ant ant-contrib ant-optional at-spi2-core atril-common > bubblewrap ca-certificates-java > coinor-libcbc3 coinor-libcgl1 coinor-libclp1 coinor-libcoinmp1v5 > coinor-libcoinutils3v5 Full output would have been better here. Automatically installed packages that *may* be removed are not a problem, what apt wants to actually remove is. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On 2020-04-29 at 10:04, Dale Harris wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:35 AM Dale Harris wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:54 AM The Wanderer wrote: >> >>> The basic procedure would be an iteration over adding the "will not be >>> installed" packages (or, in the case of a remove-the-wrong-things >>> explosion, the important packages that would otherwise be removed) >>> explicitly to the command line, and repeating with the ones from the >>> next failure, until it shows you the actual conflict. >>> >> >> Okay, did some of that, the one that really blows up is libicu63:i386, >> when I try to install that it was to remove most of the amd64 packages. >> >> # apt-cache policy libicu63:i386 >> libicu63:i386: >> Installed: (none) >> Candidate: 63.1-6 >> Version table: >> 63.1-6 500 >> 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages > > Okay, so this was the problem, there was several differences in versions > with some of the amd64 packages and the i386 version I wanted to install. > So I had to downgrade some of the amd64 packages and I was finally able to > install wine32. W00t! Yep, that's the usual expected problem here; the trick is figuring out which packages are the ones with the version mismatch. The reason this crops up with the symptom that it does is, as far as I can tell, that apt will basically never consider downgrading one package in order to install or upgrade another. (aptitude might, in the right circumstances, but whether that will ever be the first proposed dependency solution I don't know.) I'm glad I was able to point you in the right direction! -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:35 AM Dale Harris wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:54 AM The Wanderer wrote: > >> The basic procedure would be an iteration over adding the "will not be >> installed" packages (or, in the case of a remove-the-wrong-things >> explosion, the important packages that would otherwise be removed) >> explicitly to the command line, and repeating with the ones from the >> next failure, until it shows you the actual conflict. >> > > Okay, did some of that, the one that really blows up is libicu63:i386, > when I try to install that it was to remove most of the amd64 packages. > > # apt-cache policy libicu63:i386 > libicu63:i386: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 63.1-6 > Version table: > 63.1-6 500 > 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages > > Okay, so this was the problem, there was several differences in versions with some of the amd64 packages and the i386 version I wanted to install. So I had to downgrade some of the amd64 packages and I was finally able to install wine32. W00t! Thanks! -- Dale Harris rod...@maybe.org rod...@gmail.com /.-)
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:54 AM The Wanderer wrote: > > Random stabs in the direction of developing a usable set of steps to > follow: since you suspect the system may have a problem with i386 > packages to begin with, it might be useful to know whether you actually > have any already installed. The first way of finding that out which came > to my mind is: > > dpkg -l '*' | grep ':i386' > I do have a few installed, 8 actually, basically libc6:i386 and gcc-8-base:i386 and a few others. The basic procedure would be an iteration over adding the "will not be > installed" packages (or, in the case of a remove-the-wrong-things > explosion, the important packages that would otherwise be removed) > explicitly to the command line, and repeating with the ones from the > next failure, until it shows you the actual conflict. > Okay, did some of that, the one that really blows up is libicu63:i386, when I try to install that it was to remove most of the amd64 packages. # apt-cache policy libicu63:i386 libicu63:i386: Installed: (none) Candidate: 63.1-6 Version table: 63.1-6 500 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages Compared to it's amd64 package: # apt-cache policy libicu63 libicu63: Installed: 63.1-6+deb10u1 Candidate: 63.1-6+deb10u1 Version table: *** 63.1-6+deb10u1 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status 63.1-6 500 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages if I try to install... # apt install libicu63:i386 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: acl alsa-utils ant ant-contrib ant-optional at-spi2-core atril-common bubblewrap ca-certificates-java coinor-libcbc3 coinor-libcgl1 coinor-libclp1 coinor-libcoinmp1v5 coinor-libcoinutils3v5 etc etc etc -- Dale Harris rod...@maybe.org rod...@gmail.com /.-)
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
Sorry for the delayed response; I was responding in gaps mid-shift on Monday, and then spent Tuesday actually in the office instead of working remotely. On 2020-04-27 at 15:05, Dale Harris wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 2:29 PM The Wanderer wrote: > >> On initial examination, I see no meaningful issues in that output. >> >> Just to check: is the output of that 'apt-cache policy' command any >> different if you replace 'libwine' with 'libwine:i386'? >> >> If so, please pass along the output from the latter version of the >> command. (My bad; I forgot to specify it in the original case. > > Here's that output: > > # apt-cache policy libwine:i386 I'm sorry, I didn't specify clearly enough. By "that 'apt-cache policy' command", I meant the long and complicated one that already referred to libwine. It should have referred to libwine:i386 instead. In other words, at full length: apt-cache policy $(apt-cache show libwine:i386 | grep Depends | sed 's/[:,] /\n/g' | sed 's/\([^ ]*\) .*$/\1/g' | grep -v Depends | sort -u) It'll probably be easier to diff (or otherwise compare) that against the output of the original long-and-complicated command yourself, and just let me know about the differences, but if you want to provide the full output I can work with that too. (It's occurred to me that there's probably a way to simplify this command, using 'apt-cache depends' or similar, but since we already have this version and it works I'm not too concerned about optimizing it at this point.) >> If not, I'll have to think about the next step. I know what I'd do if I >> had the problem, or had shell access to the box with the problem, but >> trying to turn it into steps someone else can follow remotely (without >> realtime supervision) is a bit trickier. > > Yeah, I understand that, aways easier to do something yourself. > Unfortunately, I can't give you shell access. Entirely understandable. Random stabs in the direction of developing a usable set of steps to follow: since you suspect the system may have a problem with i386 packages to begin with, it might be useful to know whether you actually have any already installed. The first way of finding that out which came to my mind is: dpkg -l '*' | grep ':i386' You can pipe that to wc if you want to get a count, or to less if you want to view the results (since, if there are any, there are likely to be quite a few of them; by coincidence, on my system there are exactly 386). The basic procedure would be an iteration over adding the "will not be installed" packages (or, in the case of a remove-the-wrong-things explosion, the important packages that would otherwise be removed) explicitly to the command line, and repeating with the ones from the next failure, until it shows you the actual conflict. After that, it should be possible to upgrade, downgrade, or remove the right packages - usually, just one, or one small set of related ones - to resolve the problem. That's not detailed step-by-step, however, and it probably looks more daunting as you start in on it than it really is. If you want to do the back-and-forth with giving me output, me suggesting a modified install command, you running it, repeat as needed, I can work with that. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 2:29 PM The Wanderer wrote: > > On initial examination, I see no meaningful issues in that output. > > Just to check: is the output of that 'apt-cache policy' command any > different if you replace 'libwine' with 'libwine:i386'? > > If so, please pass along the output from the latter version of the > command. (My bad; I forgot to specify it in the original case. > Here's that output: # apt-cache policy libwine:i386 libwine:i386: Installed: (none) Candidate: 4.0-2 Version table: 4.0-2 500 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages > If not, I'll have to think about the next step. I know what I'd do if I > had the problem, or had shell access to the box with the problem, but > trying to turn it into steps someone else can follow remotely (without > realtime supervision) is a bit trickier. > > Yeah, I understand that, aways easier to do something yourself. Unfortunately, I can't give you shell access. -- Dale Harris rod...@maybe.org rod...@gmail.com /.-)
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On 2020-04-27 at 14:14, Dale Harris wrote: > On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM The Wanderer wrote: > >> What do you get from >> >> $ apt-cache show wine wine32:i386 libwine >> >> $ apt-cache policy libc6 >> >> apt-cache policy $(apt-cache show libwine | grep Depends | sed 's/[:,] >> /\n/g' | sed 's/\([^ ]*\) .*$/\1/g' | grep -v Depends | sort -u ) > > I'll attach the gzip'ed output from those commands. On initial examination, I see no meaningful issues in that output. Just to check: is the output of that 'apt-cache policy' command any different if you replace 'libwine' with 'libwine:i386'? If so, please pass along the output from the latter version of the command. (My bad; I forgot to specify it in the original case.) If not, I'll have to think about the next step. I know what I'd do if I had the problem, or had shell access to the box with the problem, but trying to turn it into steps someone else can follow remotely (without realtime supervision) is a bit trickier. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:21 PM The Wanderer wrote: > > > What do you get from > > $ apt-cache show wine wine32:i386 libwine > $ apt-cache policy libc6 > > apt-cache policy $(apt-cache show libwine | grep Depends | sed 's/[:,] > /\n/g' | sed 's/\([^ ]*\) .*$/\1/g' | grep -v Depends | sort -u ) > > I'll attach the gzip'ed output from those commands. -- Dale Harris rod...@maybe.org rod...@gmail.com /.-) showwine.out.gz Description: GNU Zip compressed data
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On 2020-04-27 at 12:43, Dale Harris wrote: > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:37 PM The Wanderer wrote: > >> >> What do you get if you just try >> >> >> >> # apt-get install wine >> > >> > # apt install wine32 > > The application I need to run requires the 32 bit version of wine, so if I > can't get this installed, this will all become rather academic. But I can > install wine. Really it just seems like the system doesn't like the i386 > foreign arch, for some reason. Yeah, it looks like that's the issue that we need to troubleshoot. Either that, or you've somehow gotten a version mismatch somewhere in the i386 package stack, and we need to track down where and get it brought back into balance. >> What (if anything) do you get from the following commands? >> >> $ apt-mark showhold > > Nothing. That's normal. >> $ grep wine /etc/apt/preferences /etc/apt/preferences.d/* > > grep: /etc/apt/preferences: No such file or directory > grep: /etc/apt/preferences.d/*: No such file or directory That's a touch odd, but far from unheard-of, and not harmful. >> What does the following command report? >> >> $ apt-cache policy wine wine32 wine64 libwine > > wine: > Installed: 4.0-2 > Candidate: 4.0-2 > Version table: > *** 4.0-2 500 > 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages > 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > wine32:i386: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 4.0-2 > Version table: > 4.0-2 500 > 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages > wine64: > Installed: 4.0-2 > Candidate: 4.0-2 > Version table: > *** 4.0-2 500 > 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > libwine: > Installed: 4.0-2 > Candidate: 4.0-2 > Version table: > *** 4.0-2 500 > 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages > 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status And you still get those failures. That's *decidedly* odd. What do you get from $ apt-cache show wine wine32:i386 libwine ? The result is likely to be a bit lengthy; I specifically want to verify the dependencies lines. Based on looking at those dependencies on my own computer, I also want to see what you get from $ apt-cache policy libc6 as a starting point, because that's the only dependency of wine32 except for libwine. If that shows that the version you have installed is compatible with the version listed as required in the wine32 dependencies from the previous command, then I think my next fallback would be to ask for the output of something like apt-cache policy $(apt-cache show libwine | grep Depends | sed 's/[:,] /\n/g' | sed 's/\([^ ]*\) .*$/\1/g' | grep -v Depends | sort -u ) which is kind of ugly and is likely to produce some lengthy output; the idea is to let us check every dependency of libwine to see which one is producing the version mismatch that's leading libwine to not be installed. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:37 PM The Wanderer wrote: > > > > > >> What do you get if you just try > >> > >> # apt-get install wine > > > > # apt install wine32 > The application I need to run requires the 32 bit version of wine, so if I can't get this installed, this will all become rather academic. But I can install wine. Really it just seems like the system doesn't like the i386 foreign arch, for some reason. > What (if anything) do you get from the following commands? > > $ apt-mark showhold > Nothing. > $ grep wine /etc/apt/preferences /etc/apt/preferences.d/* > grep: /etc/apt/preferences: No such file or directory grep: /etc/apt/preferences.d/*: No such file or directory > What does the following command report? > > $ apt-cache policy wine wine32 wine64 libwine > wine: Installed: 4.0-2 Candidate: 4.0-2 Version table: *** 4.0-2 500 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status wine32:i386: Installed: (none) Candidate: 4.0-2 Version table: 4.0-2 500 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main i386 Packages wine64: Installed: 4.0-2 Candidate: 4.0-2 Version table: *** 4.0-2 500 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status libwine: Installed: 4.0-2 Candidate: 4.0-2 Version table: *** 4.0-2 500 500 https://deb.debian.org/debian stable/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status > > > That you don't need newer than what's in stable is good, because the > failure of any such packages to install is something we can probably > troubleshoot and get fixed. It might take a bit of working at, but this > sort of thing is resolved all of the time. > Let's hope. -- Dale Harris rod...@maybe.org rod...@gmail.com /.-)
Re: Trouble installing wine on system with foreign arch
Yes, I did do the apt update, several times. On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:13 PM Klaus Singvogel wrote: > You didn't respond to the Mailinglist... > > Did you do an "apt-get update" etc. (as explained later) after adding it? > > Yesterday, when I did it as written, everything worked fine at my side. > > Regards, > Klaus. > > Dale Harris wrote: > > Yeah, I did that. > > > > I have > > > > deb > > > https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Emulators:/Wine:/Debian/Debian_10 > > ./ > > > > in my sources. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 2:11 PM Klaus Singvogel < > deb-user...@singvogel.net> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > you'll need the libfaudio0 package, which is only avail at > opensuse.org > > > > > > https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian > > > > > > For details about hotwo, look at the second point with an "!" from this > > > site. > > > https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32192 > > > > > > Add the opensuse.org repo as suggested and install all at once again. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Klaus. > > > > > > Dale Harris wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have a system where I have tried to install wine32 and the newer > wine5 > > > > version, It can't resolve dependencies, like so: > > > > > > > > # apt install --install-recommends wine-stable > > > > Reading package lists... Done > > > > Building dependency tree > > > > Reading state information... Done > > > > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > > > > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > > > > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > > > > or been moved out of Incoming. > > > > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > > > > > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > > > wine-stable : Depends: wine-stable-i386 (= 5.0.0~buster) > > > > E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. > > > > > > > > If I try to follow this down the chain of all the dependencies the > aren't > > > > installing and attempt to install that individually, I get to a point > > > where > > > > the system will try to uninstall a bunch of packages, most notably > apt, > > > > which is kind of annoying. So does anyone have any suggestions how > I fix > > > > this? The maddening thing is I have another system, almost > identical, > > > > that all this installed fine on! So I'm a little bit at wit's end > > > > presently. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Dale Harris > > > > rod...@maybe.org > > > > rod...@gmail.com > > > > /.-) > > > > > > > > > -- > > Dale Harris > > rod...@maybe.org > > rod...@gmail.com > > /.-) > > -- > Klaus Singvogel > GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D 1994-06-27 > -- Dale Harris rod...@maybe.org rod...@gmail.com /.-)
