Re: When will Debian book Authors be publishing Debian 11 Bullseye System Administrator's Handbook?
Respected IL Ka, Thank you very much for your reply. I will right away buy Debian 10 System Administration Handbook. Regards Adrian On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 11:50 AM IL Ka wrote: > Debian 10 handbook (https://debian-handbook.info/) still can be used to > study Debian because lots of things are the same. > After this book you can read Debian 11 release notes: > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html > >>
Re: When will Debian book Authors be publishing Debian 11 Bullseye System Administrator's Handbook?
Debian 10 handbook (https://debian-handbook.info/) still can be used to study Debian because lots of things are the same. After this book you can read Debian 11 release notes: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/index.en.html >
When will Debian book Authors be publishing Debian 11 Bullseye System Administrator's Handbook?
Respected Debian Book Authors, When will you be going to publish Debian 11 Bullseye System Administrator's Handbook? I cannot wait to buy it from Amazon. I really need it. Please publish it as soon as possible. Is there any website or video site from where I can learn to be a Complete Debian 11 Bullseye Administrator? Can you point me in the right direction? Please let me know. Cheers Adrian
Feedback wanted: funding service for free Debian book
Hello, if you don't follow Planet Debian, you're probably not aware that Roland Mas and myself are planning to translate our French Debian book into English. If we manage to get the work funded, we'll publish the translation under a DFSG-compliant license. That said we need your feedback to pick the funding service that will satisfy the largest number of users interested in this book, see details in my blog post (you can check the table of contents of the book): http://raphaelhertzog.com/2010/07/28/do-you-want-a-free-debian-book/ It points to a questionnaire that I'd like you to answer: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dG4yZ3lqTjdsbG83c0F3Sm5kLU1HaWc6MQ I'd appreciate if you could spend a few minutes reading the blog post and answering the above form. Thanks for your support! -- Raphaël Hertzog ◈ Debian Developer ◈ [Flattr=20693] Follow my Debian News ▶ http://RaphaelHertzog.com (English) ▶ http://RaphaelHertzog.fr (Français) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100802185513.gb10...@rivendell
Re: Recommended Debian book?
Could someone tell me which of these books is similar in type to the Linux by Carla? I mean Q/A type. I knew one more was there but don't know which one Regards, Deboo On 7/22/05, Hans-Peter Sulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 19 July 2005 Glenn English wrote: http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian Everything I've seen from No Starch is paperback. My European DebianYes you're right, nearly all books from US seems to be paperback, evensuch excellent books like Stroustrups Programming in C++ (at least when I bought the German version of it, more than 10 years ago – whichis hardback from a German publisher). book is a hardback, and it has a very interesting characteristic: from the first page, it lies flat on the desk when open. None of my other computer books can claim that. Not even the hardbacks from Cisco Press.I have bought it now in a German book shop myself – really great.Another nice feature, there is a thread bound into it, which serves as a bookmark which can't go lost :-) I was very impressed when I saw that. To me, not having to use a brick to keep a book open is worth the struggle with a German website and the exorbitant shipping. For one I foresee using a lot, anyway. Agree.Peter--peter_sulzer doesn't like spam and this is my domain:t-online.de-- Please don't Cc: me, I'm subscribed to the list.
Debian Book
Hi... i new at this list i want to buy a Debian Book, Someone can recommends a good Debian book? Thanks a lot.- Michael.- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Book
On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 17:11 -0300, Michael Fernández M. wrote: i want to buy a Debian Book, Someone can recommends a good Debian book? I've gotten a lot of useful info out of Martin Kraftt's The Debian System. It covers the current stable (Sarge). Get the European printing if you can, from open source press (amazon.de has it). -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Book
On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 14:17 -0700, Glenn English wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 17:11 -0300, Michael Fernández M. wrote: i want to buy a Debian Book, Someone can recommends a good Debian book? Accidentally responded only to poster. Here is a free book online that you can also buy: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/ GL... I've gotten a lot of useful info out of Martin Kraftt's The Debian System. It covers the current stable (Sarge). Get the European printing if you can, from open source press (amazon.de has it). -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is the property of R/GA and contains information which may be privileged or confidential. It is meant only for the intended recipients and/or their authorized agents. If you believe you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and destroy any printed or electronic copies of the message. Any unauthorized use, dissemination, disclosure, or copying of this message or the information contained in it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Debian Book
Thanks a lot! i´will take a loot at it. Michael.- El mar, 17-01-2006 a las 16:27 -0500, Keith O'Brien escribió: On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 14:17 -0700, Glenn English wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 17:11 -0300, Michael Fernández M. wrote: i want to buy a Debian Book, Someone can recommends a good Debian book? Accidentally responded only to poster. Here is a free book online that you can also buy: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/ GL... I've gotten a lot of useful info out of Martin Kraftt's The Debian System. It covers the current stable (Sarge). Get the European printing if you can, from open source press (amazon.de has it). -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is the property of R/GA and contains information which may be privileged or confidential. It is meant only for the intended recipients and/or their authorized agents. If you believe you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and destroy any printed or electronic copies of the message. Any unauthorized use, dissemination, disclosure, or copying of this message or the information contained in it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Book
also sprach Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006.01.17.2217 +0100]: i want to buy a Debian Book, Someone can recommends a good Debian book? I've gotten a lot of useful info out of Martin Kraftt's The Debian System. It covers the current stable (Sarge). Get the European printing if you can, from open source press (amazon.de has it). http://debiansystem.info/about and http://debiansystem.info/order Thanks for the recommendation. -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP (sub)keys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! if there's anything more important than my ego, i want it caught and shot now. -- zaphod beeblebrox signature.asc Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP)
Re: Debian Book
Glenn English wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 17:11 -0300, Michael Fernández M. wrote: i want to buy a Debian Book, Someone can recommends a good Debian book? I've gotten a lot of useful info out of Martin Kraftt's The Debian System. It covers the current stable (Sarge). Get the European printing if you can, from open source press (amazon.de has it). I have just bought this book and am impressed so far. Regards, Dave Whelan. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Book
Thanks!! i will buy The Debian System. by amazon. Michael.- El mar, 17-01-2006 a las 18:08 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Glenn English wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 17:11 -0300, Michael Fernández M. wrote: i want to buy a Debian Book, Someone can recommends a good Debian book? I've gotten a lot of useful info out of Martin Kraftt's The Debian System. It covers the current stable (Sarge). Get the European printing if you can, from open source press (amazon.de has it). I have just bought this book and am impressed so far. Regards, Dave Whelan. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Book
On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 16:27 -0500, Keith O'Brien wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 14:17 -0700, Glenn English wrote: On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 17:11 -0300, Michael Fernández M. wrote: i want to buy a Debian Book, Someone can recommends a good Debian book? Accidentally responded only to poster. Here is a free book online that you can also buy: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/ GL... I've gotten a lot of useful info out of Martin Kraftt's The Debian System. It covers the current stable (Sarge). Get the European printing if you can, from open source press (amazon.de has it). -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is the property of R/GA and contains information which may be privileged or confidential. It is meant only for the intended recipients and/or their authorized agents. If you believe you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by return e-mail or by forwarding this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and destroy any printed or electronic copies of the message. Any unauthorized use, dissemination, disclosure, or copying of this message or the information contained in it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. I would like to reccommend The Debian System: Concepts and Techniques by Martin F. Krafft ISBN: 1-59327-069-0 Thanks, Martin OConnor signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On 7/17/05, Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 15:15 +0530, Deboo ^ wrote: Has anyone got an read the Debian Linux Bible? Yes. And the one I got a few months ago is way old (2.2). The new book by Martin Krafft -- The Debian System is exactly the one I'd been looking for. It's an excellent discussion of sarge (3.1), and it's full of useful information: theory, philosophy, HOWTO, and why. [snip] And the best thing about it is that when it's lying open by the keyboard, the book doesn't try to close itself -- the pages lie flat. If possible, could you take a picture and post it somewhere about this, or just send it to me? I'm interested to see this. Regards, Deboo -- Please don't Cc: me, I'm subscribed to the list.
Re: Recommended Debian book?
also sprach Deboo ^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.21.1814 +0200]: And the best thing about it is that when it's lying open by the keyboard, the book doesn't try to close itself -- the pages lie flat. If possible, could you take a picture and post it somewhere about this, or just send it to me? I'm interested to see this. Please allow me to present my non-folding study: http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/a.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/b.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/c.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/d.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/e.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/f.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/g.jpg I am going to have to ask the publisher whether this is an intentional feature! :) -- Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! there are only 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary and those who don't. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On Thu, 2005-07-21 at 18:45 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: If possible, could you take a picture and post it somewhere about this, or just send it to me? I'm interested to see this. Please allow me to present my non-folding study: http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/a.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/b.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/c.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/d.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/e.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/f.jpg http://madduck.net/~madduck/scratch/g.jpg I am going to have to ask the publisher whether this is an intentional feature! :) Thank you, Martin. I haven't used my digital camera in so long, I'd have to read the dox again. -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG ID: D0D7FF20 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Recommended Debian book?
19 July 2005 Glenn English wrote: http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian Everything I've seen from No Starch is paperback. My European Debian Yes you're right, nearly all books from US seems to be paperback, even such excellent books like Stroustrups Programming in C++ (at least when I bought the German version of it, more than 10 years ago which is hardback from a German publisher). book is a hardback, and it has a very interesting characteristic: from the first page, it lies flat on the desk when open. None of my other computer books can claim that. Not even the hardbacks from Cisco Press. I have bought it now in a German book shop myself really great. Another nice feature, there is a thread bound into it, which serves as a bookmark which can't go lost :-) I was very impressed when I saw that. To me, not having to use a brick to keep a book open is worth the struggle with a German website and the exorbitant shipping. For one I foresee using a lot, anyway. Agree. Peter -- peter_sulzer doesn't like spam and this is my domain: t-online.de
Another Debian book
Wiley Technology Publishing, noted for for its various bible titles, is releasing another such title in August 2005: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 Bible by Benjamin Mako Hill, David B. Harris and Jaldhar Vyas, ISBN: 0-7645-7644-5, Paperback, 672 pages. It will be available in Toronto soon at a price of CAD 49.39. Ken Heard Toronto, Canada Museologist, specializing in technology and transport -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
17 July 2005 Glenn English wrote: The new book by Martin Krafft -- The Debian System is exactly the one I'd been looking for. It's an excellent discussion of sarge (3.1), and it's full of useful information: theory, philosophy, HOWTO, and why. Downsides: there are typos; it's expensive (~$45); and (AFAIK) the only way to get it is to order it from Europe -- 15 Euros and a couple weeks shipping. Easily worth it all, though, to me. A very good hint! It is possible to download chapter 4 from http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian And the best thing about it is that when it's lying open by the keyboard, the book doesn't try to close itself -- the pages lie flat. I wonder how you can already have a copy of it, as the website states, that it will be released in September. Peter -- peter_sulzer doesn't like spam and this is my domain: t-online.de
Re: Recommended Debian book?
Hi Hans Peter, The book is originally Made in germany ;-) http://www.opensourcepress.de/136.html That may explain somethings to you. Best regards Nils Valentin Tokyo / Japan http://www.be-known-online.com 17 July 2005 Glenn English wrote: The new book by Martin Krafft -- The Debian System is exactly the one I'd been looking for. It's an excellent discussion of sarge (3.1), and it's full of useful information: theory, philosophy, HOWTO, and why. Downsides: there are typos; it's expensive (~$45); and (AFAIK) the only way to get it is to order it from Europe -- 15 Euros and a couple weeks shipping. Easily worth it all, though, to me. A very good hint! It is possible to download chapter 4 from http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian And the best thing about it is that when it's lying open by the keyboard, the book doesn't try to close itself -- the pages lie flat. I wonder how you can already have a copy of it, as the website states, that it will be released in September. Peter -- peter_sulzer doesn't like spam and this is my domain: t-online.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 21:04 +, Hans-Peter Sulzer wrote: It is possible to download chapter 4 from http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian Everything I've seen from No Starch is paperback. My European Debian book is a hardback, and it has a very interesting characteristic: from the first page, it lies flat on the desk when open. None of my other computer books can claim that. Not even the hardbacks from Cisco Press. I was very impressed when I saw that. To me, not having to use a brick to keep a book open is worth the struggle with a German website and the exorbitant shipping. For one I foresee using a lot, anyway. I wonder how you can already have a copy of it, as the website states, that it will be released in September. I ordered it from www.amazon.de -- Germany. Their site is pretty much just a translation of the American one. The layout and icons are the same; just the words are different. -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG ID: D0D7FF20 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On 5/23/05, Geoff Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 12:57:28PM -0600, Glenn English wrote: On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 23:17 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: wget -O - http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2 | \ tar -xvvjf - I hunted for rute for ages and gave up until someone on a newsgroup kindly posted the above link. That's somewhat more than just a link. Very thoughtful. Thanks. It's a bit late to tell you this (sorry), but there's actually a .deb. $ sudo apt-cache show rutebook Package: rutebook Priority: optional Section: non-free/doc Installed-Size: 8264 Maintainer: Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: all Version: 1.0-1 Suggests: www-browser, xpdf, gs Filename: pool/non-free/r/rutebook/rutebook_1.0-1_all.deb Size: 5599562 MD5sum: c0797b33a2c46976c385fe9a0500a4b7 Description: Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, an online book Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition is a book written by Paul Sheer and published by Prentice Hall. It covers the use of GNU/Linux for a novice to intermediate user. System administration is covered as well. . Included are both HTML and PDF versions of this document. [On the other hand, if the book gets revised from time to time (does it?) your version might be more up to date anyway.] Cheers, Geoff Has anyone got an read the Debian Linux Bible? It's too pricey at m y place and I do not know if getting it at all would be the best thing. I already have Unix Power Tools suggested by someone above and I love it reading it daily, and using the tools. Regards, Deboo -- Please don't Cc: me, I'm subscribed to the list.
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 15:15 +0530, Deboo ^ wrote: Has anyone got an read the Debian Linux Bible? Yes. And the one I got a few months ago is way old (2.2). The new book by Martin Krafft -- The Debian System is exactly the one I'd been looking for. It's an excellent discussion of sarge (3.1), and it's full of useful information: theory, philosophy, HOWTO, and why. Downsides: there are typos; it's expensive (~$45); and (AFAIK) the only way to get it is to order it from Europe -- 15 Euros and a couple weeks shipping. Easily worth it all, though, to me. And the best thing about it is that when it's lying open by the keyboard, the book doesn't try to close itself -- the pages lie flat. -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG ID: D0D7FF20 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Recommended Debian book?
also sprach Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005.07.17.1529 +0300]: The new book by Martin Krafft -- The Debian System is exactly the one I'd been looking for. It's an excellent discussion of sarge (3.1), and it's full of useful information: theory, philosophy, HOWTO, and why. May I quote this on debiansystem.info ? Downsides: there are typos; I'd appreciate if you pointed them out to me. And if you could show me a book without typos. :) Also, there is http://debiansystem.info/readers/errata, even though I chose not to list every single typo found. it's expensive (~$45); and (AFAIK) the only way to get it is to order it from Europe -- 15 Euros and a couple weeks shipping. Easily worth it all, though, to me. We have an international publisher now and the book should be available internationally in September at the earliest. Please see http://debiansystem.info/order And the best thing about it is that when it's lying open by the keyboard, the book doesn't try to close itself -- the pages lie flat. :) -- .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' :proud Debian developer and author: http://debiansystem.info `. `'` `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing a system Invalid/expired PGP subkeys? Use subkeys.pgp.net as keyserver! http://www.transnationalrepublic.org/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On Sun, May 22, 2005 at 12:57:28PM -0600, Glenn English wrote: On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 23:17 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: wget -O - http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2 | \ tar -xvvjf - I hunted for rute for ages and gave up until someone on a newsgroup kindly posted the above link. That's somewhat more than just a link. Very thoughtful. Thanks. It's a bit late to tell you this (sorry), but there's actually a .deb. $ sudo apt-cache show rutebook Package: rutebook Priority: optional Section: non-free/doc Installed-Size: 8264 Maintainer: Simon Law [EMAIL PROTECTED] Architecture: all Version: 1.0-1 Suggests: www-browser, xpdf, gs Filename: pool/non-free/r/rutebook/rutebook_1.0-1_all.deb Size: 5599562 MD5sum: c0797b33a2c46976c385fe9a0500a4b7 Description: Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, an online book Linux: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition is a book written by Paul Sheer and published by Prentice Hall. It covers the use of GNU/Linux for a novice to intermediate user. System administration is covered as well. . Included are both HTML and PDF versions of this document. [On the other hand, if the book gets revised from time to time (does it?) your version might be more up to date anyway.] Cheers, Geoff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 09:29:26AM +0100, Clive Menzies wrote: On (16/05/05 22:54), Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? I would endorse Linux Administration Handbook mentioned by someone else and Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition by Paul Sheer which you can download. Regards Clive wget -O - http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2 | \ tar -xvvjf - I hunted for rute for ages and gave up until someone on a newsgroup kindly posted the above link. apt-get install wget first though :-) Are you just wanting to know about debian specifically, or linux in general. Some people get a bit irked when linux general questions are posted to d.u. Also if you have a problem with a particular package then there is normally lots of support on a mailing list pertaining to that particular package. hth -- Chris. == -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 23:17 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: wget -O - http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2 | \ tar -xvvjf - I hunted for rute for ages and gave up until someone on a newsgroup kindly posted the above link. That's somewhat more than just a link. Very thoughtful. Thanks. first though :-) Hey. If you want people to see it first, put it first. I didn't notice this until after I'd downloaded rute, read some of it, installed it with my dox, and bookmarked its index.html :-) -- Glenn English [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG ID: D0D7FF20 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On 5/17/05, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 11:29:32PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: On 5/16/05, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incoming from Deboo ^: On 5/16/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? Intermediate in what sense? Intermediate software developer? Intermediate kernel hacker? Intermediate DB guru? Both, an intermediate linux user as well as for server administration http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html Wow! A very nice reference guide, is it not available as a single file, Can it be printed? Deboo Do an 'aptitude install debian-reference' and then you can print /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/reference.en.pdf.gz Hi, when I first started getting into Debian, I got this printed and spiral-bound at my local Kinko's (us copy shop) as they can print pdf files for about 15 USD, YMMV. It was worth it to have a printed reference whenever I needed it. Cheers, Kev Thanks everyone. I now have a very nice collection of debian books and documents and have printed out some. I'll wait for the next edition of debian linux bible. A friend told me to chekout aboutdebian.com in the books section and there are some good references there I saw. Debian linux bible is mentioned there too. Regards, Deboo -- Please don't Cc: me, I'm subscribed to the list.
Re: Recommended Debian book?
Deboo ^ wrote: Both, an intermediate linux user as well as for server administration For server administration I recommend the Linux Administration Handbook by Nemeth, Snyder, and Hein, this book covers intermediate and advanced administration with examples for Debian and two other distros. I also highly recommend, for both administration and casual use, O'Reilly's UNIX Power Tools. This is a very fun book, with lots of informative posts from Usenet in its old days when it was still useful, and neat hyper-links from part of the book to another. (It's not meant to read cover to cover except the first part.) UNIX Power Tools alone takes you from an ordinary user to a wizard, it's well worth the price. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On (16/05/05 22:54), Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? I would endorse Linux Administration Handbook mentioned by someone else and Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition by Paul Sheer which you can download. Regards Clive -- www.clivemenzies.co.uk ... ...strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
Clive Menzies wrote: On (16/05/05 22:54), Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? I would endorse Linux Administration Handbook mentioned by someone else and Rute Users Tutorial and Exposition by Paul Sheer which you can download. Regards Clive Could you please point me to where I can download this book? Thank you. -yvind -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 11:50:19AM +0200, Øyvind Lode wrote: Could you please point me to where I can download this book? http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html you can also apt-get install rutebook and point your browser at file:///usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html pdf format is also available on the website. -- Angelina Carlton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Deboo ^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? Deboo --=20 Please don't Cc: me, I'm subscribed to the list. I'm new to Debian and find _Linux Cookbook_ by Schroder (O'Rielly) very Deb-friendly, and very good in general. ORA has another Linux Admin book that's copyright 2005 that I'm going to look at when I get a chance. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 11:29:32PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: On 5/16/05, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incoming from Deboo ^: On 5/16/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? Intermediate in what sense? Intermediate software developer? Intermediate kernel hacker? Intermediate DB guru? Both, an intermediate linux user as well as for server administration http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html Wow! A very nice reference guide, is it not available as a single file, Can it be printed? Deboo Do an 'aptitude install debian-reference' and then you can print /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/reference.en.pdf.gz Hi, when I first started getting into Debian, I got this printed and spiral-bound at my local Kinko's (us copy shop) as they can print pdf files for about 15 USD, YMMV. It was worth it to have a printed reference whenever I needed it. Cheers, Kev -- counter.li.org #238656 -- goto counter.li.org and be counted! `$' $' $ $ _ ,d$$$g$ ,d$$$b. $,d$$$b`$' g$b $,d$$b ,$P' `$ ,$P' `Y$ $$' `$ $ ' `$ $$' `$ $$ $ $$g$ $ $ $ ,$P $ $$ `$g. ,$$ `$$._ _. $ _,g$P $ `$b. ,$$ $$ `Y$$P'$. `YP $$$P' ,$. `Y$$P'$ $. ,$. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Recommended Debian book?
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Re: Recommended Debian book?
Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? Deboo Intermediate in what sense? Intermediate software developer? Intermediate kernel hacker? Intermediate DB guru? -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On 5/16/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? Deboo Intermediate in what sense? Intermediate software developer? Intermediate kernel hacker? Intermediate DB guru? -Roberto Both, an intermediate linux user as well as for server administration Deboo -- Please don't Cc: me, I'm subscribed to the list.
Re: Recommended Debian book?
Incoming from Deboo ^: On 5/16/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? Intermediate in what sense? Intermediate software developer? Intermediate kernel hacker? Intermediate DB guru? Both, an intermediate linux user as well as for server administration http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://www.spots.ab.ca/~keeling Please don't Cc: me. - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On 5/16/05, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incoming from Deboo ^: On 5/16/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? Intermediate in what sense? Intermediate software developer? Intermediate kernel hacker? Intermediate DB guru? Both, an intermediate linux user as well as for server administration http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html Wow! A very nice reference guide, is it not available as a single file, Can it be printed? Deboo -- Please don't Cc: me, I'm subscribed to the list.
Re: Recommended Debian book?
Deboo ^ wrote: On 5/16/05, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incoming from Deboo ^: On 5/16/05, Roberto C. Sanchez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? Intermediate in what sense? Intermediate software developer? Intermediate kernel hacker? Intermediate DB guru? Both, an intermediate linux user as well as for server administration http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html Wow! A very nice reference guide, is it not available as a single file, Can it be printed? Deboo Do an 'aptitude install debian-reference' and then you can print /usr/share/doc/Debian/reference/reference.en.pdf.gz -Roberto -- Roberto C. Sanchez http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Recommended Debian book?
On Monday 16 May 2005 10:56 pm, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: Deboo ^ wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? Deboo Intermediate in what sense? Intermediate software developer? Intermediate kernel hacker? Intermediate DB guru? -Roberto the new wiley published debian bible will be coming out in 3 weeks timed to come out with sarge. i liked the last edition when i read it from the public library. it seems to be the best published (dead trees) book. mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recommended Debian book?
Deboo ^ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is a good book on debian for and intermediate users? I'm a newbie to Linux, but I have found several titles useful (you should definitely get used to using 'man' pages, 'info', listservs, wikis, etc., though!): 1. Debian GNU/Linux Bible (new version soon to be released, maybe in June) 2. Essential System Administration (by Frisch) [Thanks Laurabelle!] 3. any number of books published by O'Reilly -- you can search by publisher at places like amazon.com, or just head over to the O'Reilly website. If you're interested in learning some low-level programming, Linux Programming by Example (by Robbins) is excellent. Dave W.
Re: OT linux/debian book (?) for beginners
On (27/03/04 07:06), Tom Allison wrote: Rodney D. Myers wrote: I have a friend, who I've installed debian for, who is waffling between whining about windos XP, and it's mysterious hard disk activity and crashes, and his whining about no linux docs/books. Where can I find/buy/print/generally get ahold of some kind of documentation for my friend to read, and understand. A complete linux newbie. Thanks I've never had much luck with finding debian books. However, the amount of online documentation for Debian meets expectations. If books are required you might argue he print them out and have a local copy center bind them for him. But the amount of documentation available for Debian has always been a big plus for me. Quite frankly I have also found the debian-user list to be populated with a much higher IQ then the other lists. I have been using SuSE and Debian together for a while here and was apalled at the ignorant cattle-mooing that came from the SuSE user list and the complete lack of any support. The only way to fix some of the problems I ran into where either reinstall and pray (sounds like Windows) or pay (sounds like Microsoft). I'm in the process of slowing putting Debian at the top of the food chain, where it belongs. It's not the easiest distro to work with for a newbie, but after that first 3-6 months of exposure, it becomes the best. Assuming I can get the multimedia stuff working correctly, which has always been tough. Having been using Debian/Linux for something over a year from scratch I recently got hold of Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition by Paul Sheer. I just wish I'd had it a year ago. It is not exactly a Linux for Dummies type book but gives a comprehensive guide to Linux from the foundations up. Other books I found useful are: Linux Desk Reference by Scott Hawkins (saves you diving into manpages every few minutes to workout what syntax to use in commands) Linux Administratos Handbook by Evi Nemeth and others. HTH Clive -- http://www.clivemenzies.co.uk strategies for business -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT linux/debian book (?) for beginners
Rodney D. Myers wrote: I have a friend, who I've installed debian for, who is waffling between whining about windos XP, and it's mysterious hard disk activity and crashes, and his whining about no linux docs/books. Where can I find/buy/print/generally get ahold of some kind of documentation for my friend to read, and understand. A complete linux newbie. Thanks I've never had much luck with finding debian books. However, the amount of online documentation for Debian meets expectations. If books are required you might argue he print them out and have a local copy center bind them for him. But the amount of documentation available for Debian has always been a big plus for me. Quite frankly I have also found the debian-user list to be populated with a much higher IQ then the other lists. I have been using SuSE and Debian together for a while here and was apalled at the ignorant cattle-mooing that came from the SuSE user list and the complete lack of any support. The only way to fix some of the problems I ran into where either reinstall and pray (sounds like Windows) or pay (sounds like Microsoft). I'm in the process of slowing putting Debian at the top of the food chain, where it belongs. It's not the easiest distro to work with for a newbie, but after that first 3-6 months of exposure, it becomes the best. Assuming I can get the multimedia stuff working correctly, which has always been tough. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT linux/debian book (?) for beginners
I have a friend, who I've installed debian for, who is waffling between whining about windos XP, and it's mysterious hard disk activity and crashes, and his whining about no linux docs/books. Where can I find/buy/print/generally get ahold of some kind of documentation for my friend to read, and understand. A complete linux newbie. Thanks -- Rodney D. Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #96112 ICQ#: AIM#: YAHOO: 18002350 mailman452 mailman42_5 They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin - 1759 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT linux/debian book (?) for beginners
Rodney D. Myers wrote: I have a friend, who I've installed debian for, who is waffling between whining about windos XP, and it's mysterious hard disk activity and crashes, and his whining about no linux docs/books. Where can I find/buy/print/generally get ahold of some kind of documentation for my friend to read, and understand. A complete linux newbie. Thanks I'd recommend the O'reilly book Running Linux. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/runux4/ jaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Has Anyone Used This Debian Book?
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 01:22:49PM -0500, Hal Vaughan wrote: I just found this book for almost nothing at a local book discount shop: Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed by Mario Camou and Aaron Von Cowenberghe *2.1*? That's slink and rather old. ~1998 or so. If I understand apt, upgrading from 2.1 to Woody should be that simple -- is it? Kinda...There's a good 4 years of development between slink and woody though, so I'd say you'd be much better off going via potato. And, when I was trying to install Woody, I booted from disc 5 instead of disc 1 to go with the later kernel. Yes. But why? If your hardware is supported by the 2.2 kernels, just use that to install. See below. Is it simple to upgrade the kernel later? Extremely. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-arch', where arch is 386. k7, etc...Follow the instructions carefully, and you'll be all set. The other option -- I don't know how much has changed since 2.1. I know the install has changed, but, other than that, would most everything else be the same (other than later versions of some packages)? Off the top of my head (Colin will probably have replied with a full list by the time you get this though :): * most everything uses debconf now it supports 2.4 kernels glibc2, which was a big deal at the time, but is probably unnoticeable now... * runs on far more architectures * Policy has changed a fair bit, from what I can gather, but I wouldn't know the details... * Debian's size has expanded enormously. Potato was 3 CDs worth of binaries, Woody was 7. No idea how many slink was, but the software selection will be rather limited. * non-Free software was far more important. For instance, about the only 'decent' (for some values of decent, anyhow) X-based browser was Netscape Navigator. Yes, it's slow, clunky and buggy, but it was all there was. Nowadays, it's easy to run a full Debian system with not a single piece of non-Free software on there, and not miss it a bit. IF you're curious, try installing vrms :) -rob msg26393/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Has Anyone Used This Debian Book?
I just found this book for almost nothing at a local book discount shop: Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed by Mario Camou and Aaron Von Cowenberghe Has anyone read or used this book? Several years ago I bought a sister book (same cover, same style, almost same title) for Redhat and it was the book that got me going on Linux and setting up my own lan (and everything else). I figured, since I was having trouble with some hardware and a few things here and there, that I might start with this book and 2.1, take the time to go through the book and learn all the Debian specific stuff (the section on package management, including dselect, apt, and dpkg is 30 pages, for example), then change my apt sources to include Woody and upgrade the system. If I understand apt, upgrading from 2.1 to Woody should be that simple -- is it? And, when I was trying to install Woody, I booted from disc 5 instead of disc 1 to go with the later kernel. Is it simple to upgrade the kernel later? The other option -- I don't know how much has changed since 2.1. I know the install has changed, but, other than that, would most everything else be the same (other than later versions of some packages)? Thanks for any comments and opinions. (I'm also looking at installing Knoppix on my HD and altering it, but that's another post...) Hal -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Has Anyone Used This Debian Book?
I just found this book for almost nothing at a local book discount shop: Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed by Mario Camou and Aaron Von Cowenberghe Got it sitting right here next to me. Love it. Highly recommended. Especially for a guy like me. Not the smartest guy in the world but I really want to learn the fundamentals of Linux and Debian in particular. This book is just for me. Read it, learn it, love it! It won't go out of style. Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Has Anyone Used This Debian Book?
On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 12:22, Hal Vaughan wrote: I just found this book for almost nothing at a local book discount shop: Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Unleashed by Mario Camou and Aaron Von Cowenberghe Has anyone read or used this book? Several years ago I bought a sister book (same cover, same style, almost same title) for Redhat and it was the book that got me going on Linux and setting up my own lan (and everything else). I figured, since I was having trouble with some hardware and a few things here and there, that I might start with this book and 2.1, take the time to go through the book and learn all the Debian specific stuff (the section on package management, including dselect, apt, and dpkg is 30 pages, for example), then change my apt sources to include Woody and upgrade the system. If I understand apt, upgrading from 2.1 to Woody should be that simple -- is it? And, when I was trying to install Woody, I booted from disc 5 instead of disc 1 to go with the later kernel. Is it simple to upgrade the kernel later? The other option -- I don't know how much has changed since 2.1. I know the install has changed, but, other than that, would most everything else be the same (other than later versions of some packages)? Thanks for any comments and opinions. (I'm also looking at installing Knoppix on my HD and altering it, but that's another post...) There was a recent thread discussing the errors when attempting to upgrade from slink (2.1) to Woody. Look for slink in the Subject line. The consensus was: 1. You can't go directly from 2.1 to 3.0. You must go through 2.2 first. 2. Doing a fresh 3.0 install is good for cleaning out all the old cruft. Apparently, some config files have moved around since then. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA http://members.cox.net/ron.l.johnson | | | | Fear the Penguin!! | +---+ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
on Wed, Jun 12, 2002, Michael D. Crawford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Running Linux looks pretty good. The edition available at http://www.chapters.ca/ is from 1999. The website seems to say there is an upcoming 2002 edition, but when I click the link on chapters' website it takes me to the wrong page. I couldn't find anything about a 2002 edition at O'Reilly's website. Does anyone know anything about it? I guess it's not comin out real soon or else they'd have advance notice of it, but it would be nice to have the update. There's been a lot happened to Linux since 1999. O'Reilly also lists a book called Learning Debian GNU/Linux by Bill McCarty, but it is out of print. One can read it online though: http://safari.oreilly.com/main.asp?bookname=debian It's one of the more spectacularly worthless O'Reilly books. A friend (Peter, you hangin' here?) just pointed out the LINUX: Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition -- 660 pages covering a broad range of topics, with pretty good organization. Skimming a couple of chapters I found two mistakes (128 MiB is no longer the single swap partition limit, 'dd' comes from the MVS JCL 'data definition' command, from which it borrows syntax), and some points I'd quibble (the partitioning is a bit lean). But for the price, it's not bad: http://rute.sourceforge.net/ Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? TWiki: documentation for the GNU millennium. http://twiki.org/ pgpxSciLTWjIN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 06:33:09AM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote: You might try the Linux Cookbook by Michael Stutz (ISBN 1-886411-48-4). The author provides something of a Debian based solution to lots of common situations. apt-get install linuxcookbook Johann -- Johann Spies Telefoon: 021-808 4036 Informasietegnologie, Universiteit van Stellenbosch Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. I Corinthians 10:31 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:01:36 +0200 Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 06:33:09AM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote: You might try the Linux Cookbook by Michael Stutz (ISBN 1-886411-48-4). The author provides something of a Debian based solution to lots of common situations. apt-get install linuxcookbook Yea, but the OP requested a printed book. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi I remember Dale (aka Dwarf) Sheetz's the Debian Linux User's Guide. ISBN 0-9659575-1-9. published by Linux Press in 1998. It was distributed with a CD of Debian 2.1. It was available as html for free electronic redistribution, That was one of the better Newbie Debian books. Does anyone know whether Dale updated this Debian book? It still might be useful to a newbie if anyone sitll has it. There is a web site (and I'll have to ask someone for the URL) that is dedecated to the Newbie and their questions. David Teague On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Jamin W. Collins wrote: Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:59:47 -0500 From: Jamin W. Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Debian book for complete newbie? Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:54:17 -0400 Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:01:36 +0200 Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 06:33:09AM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote: You might try the Linux Cookbook by Michael Stutz (ISBN 1-886411-48-4). The author provides something of a Debian based solution to lots of common situations. apt-get install linuxcookbook Yea, but the OP requested a printed book. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Debian Doc page lags behind] Re: Newbie Resources Was -- Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:16:33PM -0400, David Teague wrote: Hi I remember Dale (aka Dwarf) Sheetz's the Debian Linux User's Guide. ISBN 0-9659575-1-9. published by Linux Press in 1998. Hi- Yes, it's updated. Look at the previous posts. By the way, why is the www.debian.org/doc/ page so bad? The Dwarf's guide isn't there, the Debian Quick Reference ain't in there... And all the other URL that came up in these last posts...Why? Why not even a pointer? Henry _ Micro$oft-Free Human 100% Debian GNU/Linux KMFMS Bring the genome to the people! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.debian.org - www.debian-br.cipsga.org.br - www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie Resources Was -- Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On 6/13/02 1:16 PM, David Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember Dale (aka Dwarf) Sheetz's the Debian Linux User's Guide. ISBN 0-9659575-1-9. published by Linux Press in 1998. It was distributed with a CD of Debian 2.1. It was available as html for free electronic redistribution, That was one of the better Newbie Debian books. Does anyone know whether Dale updated this Debian book? There is a web site (and I'll have to ask someone for the URL) that is dedecated to the Newbie and their questions. David Teague It's at http://people.debian.org/~psg/ddg/dwarfs-debian-guide.html The site is copyrighted 2001, so it's at least somewhat maintained. I don't think it covers much, if any, of Woody yet, but Dale is still active and I expect it will be updated again soon. Have fun, Bill -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian book for complete newbie?
I may have my first opportunity in a long time to turn someone on to Free Software. I showed my brother in law my Slackware laptop, and he thought it was pretty cool. I suggested I install Linux on his PC for him, and he wants me to do that. I've decided to install Woody. I use both Slackware and Debian, but I think Bruce would get better support from the Debian community than the Slackware one. I think once its installed, Debian's much easier to keep maintained. Slackware never came up with any way to handle upgrading either - Patrick Volkerding's recommendation is to wipe your partition and reinstall from scratch! I'm only going to be here for a month, and while I can do the installation and teach Bruce the basics, I think it would be very helpful to get Bruce a printed book. The online doc only works if you know enough about Linux to find it and use the whatever tool is required to read it. Bruce knows nothing about Linux or Unix. He's not a programmer. He's an intelligent and curious fellow, and he can run a Windows machine. Is there a book you would recommend I get him? It would be helpful if it covered Woody and kernel 2.4. But mostly I want something that will help him feel comfortable operating his machine, help him do basic administration, learn to edit text files and help him find more advanced documentation installed on his disk or on the Internet. It would be OK if I had to get more than one book, but I don't want to overwhelm him. Maybe I could get a book on Linux basics and another on Debian administration, but I think he would find it least intimidating if I could give him just one book to refer to. Thanks, Michael D. Crawford GoingWare Inc. - Expert Software Development and Consulting http://www.goingware.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tilting at Windmills for a Better Tomorrow. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
on Wed, Jun 12, 2002, Michael D. Crawford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I may have my first opportunity in a long time to turn someone on to Free Software. I showed my brother in law my Slackware laptop, and he thought it was pretty cool. I suggested I install Linux on his PC for him, and he wants me to do that. I've decided to install Woody. I use both Slackware and Debian, but I think Bruce would get better support from the Debian community than the Slackware one. I think once its installed, Debian's much easier to keep maintained. Slackware never came up with any way to handle upgrading either - Patrick Volkerding's recommendation is to wipe your partition and reinstall from scratch! I'm only going to be here for a month, and while I can do the installation and teach Bruce the basics, I think it would be very helpful to get Bruce a printed book. The online doc only works if you know enough about Linux to find it and use the whatever tool is required to read it. Bruce knows nothing about Linux or Unix. He's not a programmer. He's an intelligent and curious fellow, and he can run a Windows machine. Is there a book you would recommend I get him? Depends on how deeply he wants to get involved. I catalog several useful texts here: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/linux-books.html It would be helpful if it covered Woody and kernel 2.4. Largely irrelevant. If you're looking for Debian docs, the Debian.org website, particularly the installation manual, and Debian Policy (likely installed on your system) are good sources. Roaming the /usr/share/doc (or with dwww: http://localhost/doc/) is also highly rewarding. But mostly I want something that will help him feel comfortable operating his machine, help him do basic administration, learn to edit text files and help him find more advanced documentation installed on his disk or on the Internet. It would be OK if I had to get more than one book, but I don't want to overwhelm him. Maybe I could get a book on Linux basics and another on Debian administration, but I think he would find it least intimidating if I could give him just one book to refer to. _Running Linux_ (at the link above) is still probably the single best book covering the topic. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.comhttp://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 Cabal: http://www.kuro5hin.org/ pgpZ5qP97ohhI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 12:22:23AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: _Running Linux_ (at the link above) is still probably the single best book covering the topic. I agree. Although it's not about Debian, if I were to buy one book, this would be it. There's an outdated book specifically about Debian at O'Reilley, but I can't remember the name. Also, read the APT-Howto And teach him to read newsgroups (I'm assuming this guy *likes* this stuff ;-)) Cheers, Henry _ Micro$oft-Free Human 100% Debian GNU/Linux KMFMS Bring the genome to the people! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.debian.org - www.debian-br.cipsga.org.br - www.debian-rs.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
Running Linux looks pretty good. The edition available at http://www.chapters.ca/ is from 1999. The website seems to say there is an upcoming 2002 edition, but when I click the link on chapters' website it takes me to the wrong page. I couldn't find anything about a 2002 edition at O'Reilly's website. Does anyone know anything about it? I guess it's not comin out real soon or else they'd have advance notice of it, but it would be nice to have the update. There's been a lot happened to Linux since 1999. O'Reilly also lists a book called Learning Debian GNU/Linux by Bill McCarty, but it is out of print. One can read it online though: http://safari.oreilly.com/main.asp?bookname=debian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
Search google for rute.pdf It is a book by Paul Sheer of about 700 pages referring frequently to the debian way of doing things. Johann -- Johann Spies Telefoon: 021-808 4036 Informasietegnologie, Universiteit van Stellenbosch And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luke 23:42,43 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 04:42:45 -0230 Michael D. Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm only going to be here for a month, and while I can do the installation and teach Bruce the basics, I think it would be very helpful to get Bruce a printed book. The online doc only works if you know enough about Linux to find it and use the whatever tool is required to read it. Bruce knows nothing about Linux or Unix. He's not a programmer. He's an intelligent and curious fellow, and he can run a Windows machine. Is there a book you would recommend I get him? You might try the Linux Cookbook by Michael Stutz (ISBN 1-886411-48-4). The author provides something of a Debian based solution to lots of common situations. -- Jamin W. Collins -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Johann Spies wrote: Search google for rute.pdf It is a book by Paul Sheer of about 700 pages referring frequently to the debian way of doing things. The website is http://rute.sourceforge.net. It looks nice. Qian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 14:14, Q. Gong wrote: On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Johann Spies wrote: The website is http://rute.sourceforge.net. It looks nice. Qian Gee, that seems to be a real piece of work. A link on my desktop...:-) Cheers, Helgi Örn -- ~ This message is digitally signed - GPG key at: ~~ http://www.sacred-eagle.com/gnupg_public_key.html ~~ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Debian book for complete newbie?
On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 04:42:45AM -0230, Michael D. Crawford wrote: I'm only going to be here for a month, and while I can do the installation and teach Bruce the basics, I think it would be very helpful to get Bruce a printed book. The online doc only works if you know enough about Linux to find it and use the whatever tool is required to read it. May I suggest you download and install some online documentation for your friend after you have set up Debian for him. That way he will not have to search for it. Much online documentation is in html format so only a browser is necessary to read it locally. gv would suitable if he prefers to view or print the pdf versions often provided. Some Debian specific links: http://edm.act.cmis.csiro.au/debian/debtopics/ http://qref.sourceforge.net/ http://teleport.medri.hr/~docelic/debguide/hands-on-debian-guide.html http://www.polaris.net/~dwarf/ There is Debian package of the last one. Though not specifically directed towards Debian The Linux Newbie Administrator Guide and The Linux Cookbook both have a lot of basic material explained in them and are good reads. http://sunsite.dk/linux-newbie/index.htm http://www.dsl.org/cookbook/ The second book is packaged for Debian. Brian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 08:02:54PM +0100, Ted Wager ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi. Could anyone tell me if there is a definitive Debain book or recommend any book specific to Debian ?? I'd generally go with a few general GNU/Linux references (e.g.: _Runnining Linux_ and _Linux in a Nutshell_ from O'Reilly), and the Debian docs both online and at http://www.debian.org/. There is an O'Reilly _Learning Debian GNU/Linux_ book, but I don't particularly recommend it. Surprisingly, Sams (a MacMillan imprint) has a rather good, slim, red-spined volume on Debian which covers basic installation and configuration. It ships with Slink (dated), but is otherwise quite good. I make a habit of avoiding Sams imprints at all costs, it's a revlation that they can actually produce a book worth the paper it's printed on -- and then some: http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=0672317451 Thomas Down, _Installing Debian Gnu/GNU/Linux_, Sams, (c) 11/1999, 197 Pages, ISBN: 0672317451 List Price: $24.99 Hi.. Thanks for the info...I have d/loaded some of the Debian docs. I have also read Dummies do a Debian issue so Will go to my bookstore tomorrow and make a request... Thanks for your time.. Regards Ted Packetmail :- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email :- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian book
Hi. Could anyone tell me if there is a definitive Debain book or recommend any book specific to Debian ?? -- Regards Ted Packetmail :- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email :- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian book
On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 08:02:54PM +0100, Ted Wager ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hi. Could anyone tell me if there is a definitive Debain book or recommend any book specific to Debian ?? I'd generally go with a few general GNU/Linux references (e.g.: _Runnining Linux_ and _Linux in a Nutshell_ from O'Reilly), and the Debian docs both online and at http://www.debian.org/. There is an O'Reilly _Learning Debian GNU/Linux_ book, but I don't particularly recommend it. Surprisingly, Sams (a MacMillan imprint) has a rather good, slim, red-spined volume on Debian which covers basic installation and configuration. It ships with Slink (dated), but is otherwise quite good. I make a habit of avoiding Sams imprints at all costs, it's a revlation that they can actually produce a book worth the paper it's printed on -- and then some: http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/bookinfo/bookinfo.asp?theisbn=0672317451 Thomas Down, _Installing Debian Gnu/GNU/Linux_, Sams, (c) 11/1999, 197 Pages, ISBN: 0672317451 List Price: $24.99 -- Karsten M. Self kmself@ix.netcom.com http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org What part of Gestalt don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org GPG fingerprint: F932 8B25 5FDD 2528 D595 DC61 3847 889F 55F2 B9B0 pgpBI6TxAB6cc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian book
kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: There is an O'Reilly _Learning Debian GNU/Linux_ book, but I don't particularly recommend it. Considering that the whole thing is online for free, it's at least worth a browse! http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/index.html Matthew
Re: Q: Purchasing the Learning Gnu/Debian Book
On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 08:20:39AM +0200, Jonathan Gift wrote: Hi, I'm going to move from my present distribution to Debian and know you have an upcoming 2.2 release coming out soon. Will the book Learning GN/Debian Linux still be applicable? Thanks, Jonathan AFAIK, the book is a published copy of a Debian package. You can install this on your Debian system or read it somewhere at Debian's website. I would bet that most if not all of the book is the same for the latest dist. However, I have heard of many problems with the CD that comes in the back of this book (?), but I never used one. YMMV. -- Pat Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hobbes: Do you have an idea for your story yet? Calvin: No, I'm waiting for inspiration. You can't just turn on creativity like a faucet. You have to be in the right mood. Hobbes: What mood is that? Calvin: Last-minute panic. -- From Calvin and Hobbes by Bill Watterson
Q: Purchasing the Learning Gnu/Debian Book
Hi, I'm going to move from my present distribution to Debian and know you have an upcoming 2.2 release coming out soon. Will the book Learning GN/Debian Linux still be applicable? Thanks, Jonathan
Re: OReileys Debian Book?
Martin Fluch wrote: On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: At 11:13 AM 3/28/00 +0300, Martin Fluch wrote: short question, in which package was the OReileys Debian Book? - Thanx. It was in the package I got at Barnes Noble, along with a slink CD and a bumper sticker. :) Opss, I meant the online version. There is a .deb, but I don't remember the name anymore :( I didn't think anyone had packaged it. Packages I know of: debian-guide 1.0.0 Text from: Debian GNU/Linux: Guide to Installation and Usage tdlug 2.0-2 [non-free] The Debian Linux User's Guide online book See also the installation instructions on the Debian web site. -- Peter Galbraith, research scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546 6623'rd GNU/Linux user at the Counter - http://counter.li.org/
OReileys Debian Book?
Hey, short question, in which package was the OReileys Debian Book? - Thanx. Martin -- Win2k: It's not so much that it's only 65,000 bugs, it's just that they stopped at 65,535 to prevent an overflow. For public PGP-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OReileys Debian Book?
At 11:13 AM 3/28/00 +0300, Martin Fluch wrote: short question, in which package was the OReileys Debian Book? - Thanx. It was in the package I got at Barnes Noble, along with a slink CD and a bumper sticker. :) -- Jeremy L. Gaddis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OReileys Debian Book?
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000, Jeremy Gaddis wrote: At 11:13 AM 3/28/00 +0300, Martin Fluch wrote: short question, in which package was the OReileys Debian Book? - Thanx. It was in the package I got at Barnes Noble, along with a slink CD and a bumper sticker. :) Opss, I meant the online version. There is a .deb, but I don't remember the name anymore :( Martin -- Win2k: It's not so much that it's only 65,000 bugs, it's just that they stopped at 65,535 to prevent an overflow. For public PGP-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian book
Hi, Is there a published book about debian linux, or online material? Thanks. Zheng Wang, Ph. D Department of Statistics and Applied Probability University of California, Santa Barbara E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; http://www.pstat.ucsb.edu/~zwang
Re: debian book
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Zheng Wang wrote: Hi, Is there a published book about debian linux, or online material? Thanks. http://www.linuxpress.com/ Brandon --+-- Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Testing Group Status PGP Key: finger -l [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://bhmit1.home.ml.org/deb/ Dijkstra probably hates me (Linus Torvalds, in kernel/sched.c)
Re: debian book
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Zheng Wang wrote: Is there a published book about debian linux, or online material? Thanks. There is an unfinished one at http://www.debian.org/~hp/debian-tutorial.html/ Havoc
The Custum CD in the Debian Book
Can you give ma a list of the software and patches on the Custum CD? I can't afford to buy the whole package right now. (I would like a complete list of the contents so I can download the contents) Thankyou- Madeline ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
Is there a postscript version of the book ? And if not, is there an easy way to convert the html file to a nicely formatted postscript file ? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Shaul Karl. wrote: Is there a postscript version of the book ? And if not, is there an easy way to convert the html file to a nicely formatted postscript file ? Try html2latex. Never used it myself, but that's what it's for. Will -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | http://www.cis.udel.edu/~lowe/ | -- | You say Love is a temple. Love the higher law.| | You ask me to enter, but then you make me crawl.| | And I can't be holding on to what you got | | When all you got is hurt. | -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On Sat, 15 Nov 1997, butch wrote: Hello, well i was in JR music worlds computer store and i saw the set- ,and they have a really good price on it. has anyone bought it and what are your opinions of the value for money? I believe that you are asking about my current book on Debian. I asked my publisher how I might reply to your inquiry and here is his response. The list price of book is $37.95. Some stores discount it. As to its value --- yes, you can find Debian cheaper. However, both a useful book and 30 days of technical support are included with the product. We aren't aware of any other companies offering support with their Debian release. I should also point out that he failed to mention the Official 2 CD set, plus a third, custom CD with several extras, like Drop in Debian. As the author, I feel unqualified to speak to the book's quality, or usefulness. For that I must rely on feedback from folks who have actually tried to use its help. There is a freely distributable html version of the book that can be obtained from www.linuxpress.com as well as ordering facilities at the same location for those who want a nice hardcopy. Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On 17-Nov-97 Dale Scheetz wrote: As the author, I feel unqualified to speak to the book's quality, or usefulness. For that I must rely on feedback from folks who have actually tried to use its help. There is a freely distributable html version of the book that can be obtained from www.linuxpress.com as well as ordering facilities at the same location for those who want a nice hardcopy. Luck, Dwarf I bought it but have not read it carefully. I bought it mainly for two reasons: 1) As a show of support for your project and 2) to leave laying around for the curious budding sysadmins at work to have a look at. At least one of the Novices actually bought her own copy and got Debian installed and got ppp working (better be careful what I say, she is likely lurking this list :) I must say that I was most impressed. So, in that respect, your book seems to have been at least somewhat useful. As for hardcopy, I dunno, seems to me that the thing is changing too fast. By the time the book gets broken in it is obsolete since Debian tends to evolve so quickly. What I would like to see is a book in a binder where update pages can be made available at regular intervals. I would like the paper to be tough and the area around the holes to be reinforced. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On 16 Nov, George Bonser let loose with:
As for hardcopy, I dunno, seems to me that the thing is changing too fast. By
the time the book gets broken in it is obsolete since Debian tends to evolve
so quickly. What I would like to see is a book in a binder where update pages
can be made available at regular intervals. I would like the paper to be
tough
and the area around the holes to be reinforced.
Excellent idea... In fact, this is probably my pet peeve with Linux
books in general. I have been using Linux for about a year and have
fallen victim several times to inaccurate information... (I dare say
that nothing is more distressing for a newbie!! ;-) This would be an
excellent idea!
- Tim
{an aside to Dale...} I must say that I for one am very happy to see a
book on Debian... I am in the process of switching from Red Hat (mostly
because of dpkg/dselect's excellent handling of dependencies and
Debian's commitment to be non-commercial) and your book has been quite
helpful. Thank you.
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Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
Dale wrote: ... The list price of book is $37.95. Some stores discount it. As to its value --- yes, you can find Debian cheaper. However, both a useful book and 30 days of technical support are included with the product. We aren't aware of any other companies offering support with their Debian release. ... I was not aware of the 30 day tech support offer either and I was aware of the Debian Book (as I presume would be the case for anyone subscribed to debian-announce). BTW, RedHat at least did offer tech support for their version when purchased from RedHat. I purchased my RedHat Linux from RedHat for a couple of hundred dollars (the bulk of the expense was for ApplixWare and other products. At the time I considered the price reasonable (after all the ATT Unix that I have was in the Kilo-Bucks). The usefulness of this RedHat technical support for me however, proved to worthless. Tech support registration and receipt of 'trouble tracking numbers' turned out to be the only part of their system that functioned. NO email response beyond the auto-responders was ever received -- no questions, no suggestions, nada! The users list provided some suggestions, none of which helped but still there was an attempt by other users. Finally, I received the ONE suggestion that worked, from another user experiencing the same sort of problems that I was experiencing Switch to debian!! That worked! best, -bill Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Bill Leach wrote: The usefulness of this RedHat technical support for me however, proved to worthless. Tech support registration and receipt of 'trouble tracking numbers' turned out to be the only part of their system that functioned. NO email response beyond the auto-responders was ever received -- no questions, no suggestions, nada! The users list provided some suggestions, none of which helped but still there was an attempt by other users. Finally, I received the ONE suggestion that worked, from another user experiencing the same sort of problems that I was experiencing Switch to debian!! That worked! About a year ago, when there was much talk about integrating RPM into our packaging system, I signed up on the RedHat User's Mailing List to see what I could learn. While I have always been pleased with the level of technical information traffic on the Debian lists, I was disappointed with what I saw from RedHat. There were a number of user questions posted to the list (while not the volume that debian-user sees) and almost no replies from the actual developers at RedHat. This gave the list the air of a desperate chat room where folks with problems would, as a last resort, come and air their difficulties. Many folks crying on each others shoulders, often with the same exact problems, with no one able to supply any solutions. I can't speak to the state of their lists today, but from what I hear from others things haven't changed much, if at all. You pays your quarter, and you takes your chances ... Luck, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- _-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On 17 Nov, Bill Leach let loose with: The usefulness of this RedHat technical support for me however, proved to worthless. Tech support registration and receipt of 'trouble tracking numbers' turned out to be the only part of their system that functioned. NO email response beyond the auto-responders was ever received -- no questions, no suggestions, nada! Same here... while I usually find myself on my own with most tech support, at least there is a response even if it is not helpful...8-/ I was also dissappointed to learn that after paying for the Red Hat official CD set I voided my right to tech support by recompiling the kernel with sound support. (Gee, why would I want to do THAT...) Not to bash Red Hat or anything - I mean, we are all trying to promote Linux - I just feel that if you are going to offer tech support then you should deliver... The users list provided some suggestions, none of which helped but still there was an attempt by other users. Finally, I received the ONE suggestion that worked, from another user experiencing the same sort of problems that I was experiencing Switch to debian!! That worked! Agreed! - Tim -- Debian GNU LinuxPower to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
Hello, well i was in JR music worlds computer store and i saw the set- ,and they have a really good price on it. has anyone bought it and what are your opinions of the value for money? allan -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Has anyone bought the debian book and cds?
On 15 Nov, butch let loose with: Hello, well i was in JR music worlds computer store and i saw the set- ,and they have a really good price on it. has anyone bought it and what are your opinions of the value for money? I got the book about two weeks ago - I am somewhat new to debain so it was a good primer... A lot of it focuses on installation though, which personally I did not need. I also wish that there had been coverage on actually making packages with debmake, etc. All in all it is a good book to have on the shelf if you like printed documentation. A word of caution, though... I did not have much success with the Custom CD. Dselect choked on certain packages - I don't know the cause right off, but just be warned... C Ya! Tim -- Debian GNU LinuxPower to the people... E-Mail: Tim Ferrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
anyone use cdroms from l debian book
Hi, I saw the book fronm linux press at JR music world today. so has anyone used the set, also what are your impressions? allan bart -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Debian Book Published
Dear Debian Users, You are getting this mail because you subscribed to the debian-announce mailing list. As always, un-subscription information appears at the end of this message. Linux Press has announced the publication of a book about Debian. I downloaded it from http://www.linuxpress.com/debuser.htm. It is a 360K HTML file. How can I convert it to a nicely formated postscript file ? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Secret debian lists? (was: Debian Book list)
On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, J.P.D. Kooij wrote: Still, while the list does exist, it doesn't appear on the list of lists that comes with the subscription failure notification. Which raises the question: what happened to debian-admintool (for rantings and whinings about dselect)? It was mentioned some time ago, but it doesn't appear on the list of debian-lists either? That problem is now fixed. Funny thing is: the only action necessary to fix it was chmod o+r /var/list/listname Go figure. :) Pete -- Pete Templin, Debian List Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Book list
On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: The developers have realized more and better documentation is needed. Did you know there is now a mailing list for discussing this type of thing? ([EMAIL PROTECTED] the subscription address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) This might be a better place to discuss a Debian book. (which is something we desperately need IMO.) This certainly doesn't work for me. I just get a list of all valid debian related lists and debian-doc isn't one of them. And it is still one day before april fools (just checked :-) Cheers, Joost
Re: Debian Book list
On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, J.P.D. Kooij wrote: This certainly doesn't work for me. I just get a list of all valid debian related lists and debian-doc isn't one of them. And it is still one day before april fools (just checked :-) I am terribly sorry, the subscribe address I gave was debian-doc-request (no s) @lists.debian.org. The address to post to was correct. So once again it is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - subscribe/unsubscribe address debian-doc@lists.debian.org - address to send mail to. Sorry for the confusion. -- Jaldhar
Secret debian lists? (was: Debian Book list)
On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: I am terribly sorry, the subscribe address I gave was debian-doc-request (no s) @lists.debian.org. The address to post to was correct. So once again it is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - subscribe/unsubscribe address debian-doc@lists.debian.org - address to send mail to. Yes, it works for me now. Did I really stumble on that s? Hmm, well that's what you get when you do things with the mouse. Still, while the list does exist, it doesn't appear on the list of lists that comes with the subscription failure notification. Which raises the question: what happened to debian-admintool (for rantings and whinings about dselect)? It was mentioned some time ago, but it doesn't appear on the list of debian-lists either? Cheers, Joost
Re: Secret debian lists? (was: Debian Book list)
On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, J.P.D. Kooij wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 1997, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: I am terribly sorry, the subscribe address I gave was debian-doc-request (no s) @lists.debian.org. The address to post to was correct. So once again it is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - subscribe/unsubscribe address debian-doc@lists.debian.org - address to send mail to. Yes, it works for me now. Did I really stumble on that s? Hmm, well that's what you get when you do things with the mouse. Still, while the list does exist, it doesn't appear on the list of lists that comes with the subscription failure notification. Which raises the question: what happened to debian-admintool (for rantings and whinings about dselect)? It was mentioned some time ago, but it doesn't appear on the list of debian-lists either? This list was formed less than a week ago. The debian-doc team leader will officially announce the list some short time in the future. Thanks. Syrus. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept.
Debian Book list
For those that remembered a few weeks ago when I had posted my idea for a Debian Manual/Book. I got such a good response on it. I have started the outline but I don't feel that the current debian lists that are out are the proper place for this. So I have started up a list for the book. You can subscribe to it by sending a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] With a body message of: subscribe debian-book-discussion Then to send messages, send your email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The current outline is located at http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/Debian/Book.outline.html I encurage feedback on what should be included. Also, if you go onto Undernet IRC, I am usually on the channel #Debian with the nick WildOne- Chad D. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/
Re: Debian Book list
The developers have realized more and better documentation is needed. Did you know there is now a mailing list for discussing this type of thing? ([EMAIL PROTECTED] the subscription address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) This might be a better place to discuss a Debian book. (which is something we desperately need IMO.) -- Jaldhar On Sat, 29 Mar 1997, Chad Zimmerman wrote: For those that remembered a few weeks ago when I had posted my idea for a Debian Manual/Book. I got such a good response on it. I have started the outline but I don't feel that the current debian lists that are out are the proper place for this. So I have started up a list for the book. You can subscribe to it by sending a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] With a body message of: subscribe debian-book-discussion Then to send messages, send your email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The current outline is located at http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/Debian/Book.outline.html I encurage feedback on what should be included. Also, if you go onto Undernet IRC, I am usually on the channel #Debian with the nick WildOne- Chad D. Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://dabcc-www.nmsu.edu/~chad/
