Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
1) as we know everyone can scan for viruses and for spam locally on their pc 2) so we tell them that when they do it on the server they save bandwidth and cost plus they don't have to waste time on setting it up locally and maintain it 3) so we charge a (small) per user fee per month for virus & spam protection 4) we move all spam to a special "spam" pop account so the customer sees how much gets filtered plus he has a change to review spam mail 4) we offer a 14 day trial for the service - after this everyone subscribes to it... The small fee should at least cover the cost of av/spam software involved, so when prices go up we look for other products that can do the same thing, or if we are satisfied with how it works (with spam) we don't renew the service agreement and stay at the current version But generally hosting business was more fun 5-6 years ago... Andrew Dave Beckstrom schrieb: Email only makes money for spammers. Declude and the other mail tools are an expense not a revenue generator. Adding CommTouch just adds to overhead without generating any revenue. I'm glad its an option and doesn't affect the rest of Declude. Declude is already at the upper limit of what we're willing to spend on a tool. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:51 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Gary, 1. Server Providers who use CommTouch as an add-in to Declude will be in violation of CommTouch's Terms of service. 2. Some of the benefits of CommTouch are Zero Hour virus protection and additional spam identifying technology such as Recurrent Pattern Detection Technology (RPD) recognized by key industry analysts as a leading technology in email outbreak detection. 3. We are in the process of defining the revenue share program and will provide the details to this when it is ready. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:09 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 So, that being said, under what conditions can a legacy customer use Commtouch? Since it would seem that Commtouch is being offered as an add-on, what are the benefits of having Commtouch? What does it do that Declude alone does not? And of course it would be nice if this "revenue share program" was spelled out somewhere. Original Message From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:57 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) understand the licensing restrictions. Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess someone
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Exactly. I'm still running Declude Version 1.81. *Every* time I've almost gone for an update/upgrade, there comes a surge of "issues" reported on this list. I simply DO NOT have time to deal with trying to figure out which reported bugs may or may not affect me, watching for / SEARCHING for the fixes. There's also the issue of sheer confusion on what Version IS the latest one with the FEWEST bugs, what ARE those bugs, and how an upgrade will impact (read: break) my working configuration with Imail 7.15 (I can't upgrade Imail because that's one of the items for which I no longer can afford support/maintenance). -- Original Message -- From: "Dave Beckstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:23:01 -0500 > > >What irks me more is not having things fixed in the existing Declude, such >as the broken image spam problem. I'd like to see Declude fix their base >product before spending time enhancing it. I'm not griping -- just making >an observation. > > > > > > > >--- >This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To >unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and >type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found >at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > Sent via the WebMail system at wcnet.net --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
> > With that said, as an add-on in the same regard as things like Sniffer, > CommTouch might be a good solution (if it performs well) for those that > can pay the $195/year, however it still irks me that after two years and > lots of promises, these things are being added at an extra expense and > not available to people like me under reasonable terms. > > Matt > What irks me more is not having things fixed in the existing Declude, such as the broken image spam problem. I'd like to see Declude fix their base product before spending time enhancing it. I'm not griping -- just making an observation. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I agree with this. I was also once a hosting provider which was ancillary to a business that I used to operate which required me to offer hosting. I added E-mail because I was sick of dealing with my customer's ISP's for their E-mail problems (lost passwords, poorly performing services, bad technical support, etc.). Then after several years of doing E-mail I ran into a problem where my customers were frequently getting infected by viruses and their virus infections were preventing them from exploiting the benefits of their Web presence...so I purchased Declude. Spam wasn't much of an issue then. Then a year later spam started becoming more of an issue and I started tweaking my Declude configs to try to block more, and I started running into the issues of false positives, plus although I was blocking more, the increase in volume was causing more to leak so my customers were complaining more and more. I bared down and eventually became an expert, and I decided then that instead of this being a cost to me (no one paid me for E-mail, just Web hosting and other services), I decided to turn it into a business. My largest source of revenue from this business just so happens to be from another Declude user who operates a Web hosting company. He was in the same place as I was, but he didn't have the patience or understanding to fix all of his issues, and I showed him how we could both profit from upselling the service and I fixed his false positive issues and made his server more manageable to boot. He still uses Declude and it is still free for his customers (who generally don't even know it is there), but many customers do want more and are willing to pay. Without offering this alternative, he would lose not just the revenue from MailPure that he shares, but also some of the customers that were unsatisfied with his standard Declude protection. I have four hosting providers that I work with now that resell my service, and two of those are current Declude customers. One tells me that he picks up customers because other customers tell their friends to come to his service because they have MailPure. Many of these guys are technically capable of doing better on their own, but they got into the business to host and or design Web sites and not to deal with spam and viruses just like me, and it is not easy to turn a profit from an expensive ancillary service offering without making a major change in focus (or skipping all of that and partnering with someone like me). CommTouch has zero possibility of generating revenue for businesses like my own even though I profit from offering the service unlike most service providers. This is why a revenue share with Declude is out of the question. The suggestions are that CommTouch will make experts out of novices in this game and allow some to become spam blocking businesses by simply adding better detection, but spam blocking businesses don't come packaged for people to plug-n-play. For most, spam and virus blocking will remain a cost center. Approaching this market with a revenue share licensing for a software add-on is overwhelming evidence of not understanding the market. With that said, as an add-on in the same regard as things like Sniffer, CommTouch might be a good solution (if it performs well) for those that can pay the $195/year, however it still irks me that after two years and lots of promises, these things are being added at an extra expense and not available to people like me under reasonable terms. Matt Paul Navarre wrote: *** Question to thoes that are saying that spam/virus protestion is a lost leader/not a revenue builder. If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus protection? *** Is this a serious question? If you don't offer spam and virus filtering, you won't have any customers. In most markets the local competition offers it for free. The national competition certainly does (yahoo, google, earthlink etc). Many of us are fighting against low-priced inferior competition. The problem is that the average customer doesn't know that they are inferior. They *do* know how much they charge, and if they offer spam/virus protection and you don't it doesn't matter how poor the other guy's service is. They will leave. Sure, they will find out later how much the other guys suck, but how much time/effort/money will it cost to get them back? Chances are they'll try the next cut rate place instead of coming back to us anyway. Paul Navarre --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://w
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
1. Honestly, I don't know. 1b. The mail server would literally be overwhelmed and crash without it. 1c. Perhaps that's not a bad idea. That'd be one less target for the spammers to hit. 2. A significant number of our users don't use our mail. Many of those that don't aren't even aware they HAVE mail service, they use Yahoo or Hotmail or whatever. That's the only e-mail service they know. 2b. Those that do use the mail, a significant number of them aren't aware we have spam/virus protection. 2c. Many of those who use the mail, and either are or are not aware of the spam protection, are completely oblivious to how much spam there really is. They may get a handful of spams during a storm and call fussing about it. If they only knew ... 2d. Those who are aware of the protection, certainly wouldn't pay extra for it. They bitch already about the monthly rate, which is significantly higher than the $9.95 competition. Internet access nowadays is a commodity, not something for which one seeks out a quality service ... -- Original Message -- From: "Kevin Bilbee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:22:00 -0700 >Question to thoes that are saying that spam/virus protestion is a lost >leader/not a revenue builder. > >If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus >protection? > > > >Kevin Bilbee > > >--- >This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To >unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and >type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found >at http://www.mail-archive.com. > Sent via the WebMail system at wcnet.net --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
*** Question to thoes that are saying that spam/virus protestion is a lost leader/not a revenue builder. If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus protection? *** Is this a serious question? If you don't offer spam and virus filtering, you won't have any customers. In most markets the local competition offers it for free. The national competition certainly does (yahoo, google, earthlink etc). Many of us are fighting against low-priced inferior competition. The problem is that the average customer doesn't know that they are inferior. They *do* know how much they charge, and if they offer spam/virus protection and you don't it doesn't matter how poor the other guy's service is. They will leave. Sure, they will find out later how much the other guys suck, but how much time/effort/money will it cost to get them back? Chances are they'll try the next cut rate place instead of coming back to us anyway. Paul Navarre --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Email only makes money for spammers. Declude and the other mail tools are an expense not a revenue generator. Adding CommTouch just adds to overhead without generating any revenue. I'm glad its an option and doesn't affect the rest of Declude. Declude is already at the upper limit of what we're willing to spend on a tool. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David > Barker > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:51 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > Gary, > > 1. Server Providers who use CommTouch as an add-in to Declude will be in > violation of CommTouch's Terms of service. > > 2. Some of the benefits of CommTouch are Zero Hour virus protection and > additional spam identifying technology such as Recurrent Pattern Detection > Technology (RPD) recognized by key industry analysts as a leading technology > in email outbreak detection. > > 3. We are in the process of defining the revenue share program and will > provide the details to this when it is ready. > > David B > www.declude.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary > Steiner > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:09 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > So, that being said, under what conditions can a legacy customer use > Commtouch? > > Since it would seem that Commtouch is being offered as an add-on, what are > the benefits of having Commtouch? What does it do that Declude alone does > not? > > And of course it would be nice if this "revenue share program" was spelled > out somewhere. > > > > Original Message > > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:57 PM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we > > had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June > > 06) understand the licensing restrictions. > > > > Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no > > restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. > > > > However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to > > enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) > > to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this > > program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an > > opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by > > providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be > > independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. > > > > David B > > www.declude.com > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > John T > > (Lists) > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: > > > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise > > transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User > > License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, > > Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed > > Program into another application and then distribute such to third > > parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). > > As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not > > permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to > > customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established > with Declude. > > > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software > > and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > > > John T > > eServices For You > > > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > Gary Steiner > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today > > > about > > Declude 4.3? > > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to > > > know > > what I'm > > > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. > > > > > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are > > > especially > > confusing. > > > > > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > > > > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? > > Based on my > > > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be > > > able to > > use > > > Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please ex
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Title: Message What exactly is protestion. let me see I think it shuld be protection!! Yea that is it, protection. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin BilbeeSent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:22 PMTo: declude.junkmail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Question to thoes that are saying that spam/virus protestion is a lost leader/not a revenue builder. If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus protection? Kevin Bilbee---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
> If there is anyone subscribed to this mailing list who is not a > service provider, please raise your hand. Mine's up. We implement and support in-house mail systems for our clients and don't provide hosted services. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange or IMail mailboxes into IMail Aliases! http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ http://www.imprimia.com/products/software/freeutils/ldap2aliases/download/release/ --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Title: Message Question to thoes that are saying that spam/virus protestion is a lost leader/not a revenue builder. If it does not generate revenue then why don't you stop offering spam/virus protection? Kevin Bilbee ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
If E-mail with spam and virus protection is offered to our customers as a loss leader for an unrelated business, does this mean that CommTouch would pay us to use their product? (Negative revenue). - Original Message - What makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe that there is any revenue to share? ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 - Commtouch trial ?
-David, Just curious is there a free one-month test drive option for CommTouch or something similiar? As one of those pesky non-ISP's the $195 a year is pretty reasonable, but I'd really like to test drive it before I buy it. Not to be offensive, but I have no belief of the "100% no false positive" pitch and the "99.99+% spam catch rate" pitch. Trust me I get many a phone call hyping those terms. And I'll have to make that jump to Declude 4.x too. - Original Message - From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) understand the licensing restrictions. Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about Declude 4.3? I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to know what I'm getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are especially confusing. https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? Based on my reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be able to use Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it to me? Gary --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Another hand raised. End User (business) here. Apparantly I missed the Exchange memo. - Original Message - From: "Gary Steiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 6:20 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Basically you are telling me to ignore the Add Commtouch part of your web page that shows up when I log in to my account. What I find particularly amusing is the line "Restrictions apply to service providers." If there is anyone subscribed to this mailing list who is not a service provider, please raise your hand. Isn't it generally a good idea to have your product's pricing defined before you introduce the product? I'm sure that everyone here reading the list is extremely curious as to what the revenue share program really is, and when it does come out, unless you hear exclamations of "What a Bargain" coming off this list there won't be many of us joining that program. Other than the Commtouch add-on, are there any other features or reasons to upgrade to 4.3? Original Message From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:03 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Gary, 1. Server Providers who use CommTouch as an add-in to Declude will be in violation of CommTouch's Terms of service. 2. Some of the benefits of CommTouch are Zero Hour virus protection and additional spam identifying technology such as Recurrent Pattern Detection Technology (RPD) recognized by key industry analysts as a leading technology in email outbreak detection. 3. We are in the process of defining the revenue share program and will provide the details to this when it is ready. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:09 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 So, that being said, under what conditions can a legacy customer use Commtouch? Since it would seem that Commtouch is being offered as an add-on, what are the benefits of having Commtouch? What does it do that Declude alone does not? And of course it would be nice if this "revenue share program" was spelled out somewhere. Original Message > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:57 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we > had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June > 06) understand the licensing restrictions. > > Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no > restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. > > However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to > enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) > to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this > program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an > opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by > providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be > independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. > > David B > www.declude.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > John T > (Lists) > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise > transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User > License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, > Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed > Program into another application and then distribute such to third > parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). > As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not > permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to > customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software > and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > John T > eServices For You > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Gary Steiner > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today > > about > Declude 4.3? > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to > > know > what I'm > > getting before I install it, esp
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
A friend of mine was one of the original founders of Bridge Data. They were the first folks to take the Wall Street Ticker and resell it using DEC PDP 1170, 1134, 1144, etc., to ADP, Traders, Brokerages and others. Bridge owned SAVVIS and some other related entities and they were a publicly traded company. During that time, not many years ago, I saw a long article in a St. Louis business journal, where the CEO quoted similar numbers which were also projected by some 3rd Party consultancy Group. He added his own forecast about increases in head count and revenue. He was a well educated and bright individual and he wasn't a pup, when it came to running a company. He had tenure and a track record. Less than a year after the date of the article, Bridge filed for Bankruptcy. You'll note I didn't say "bankruptcy protection." In contrast, no amount of protection could saved the enterprise. There is a moral to this story. Whenever a company doesn't listen to the customer, or in this case tells its most active customers that they should effectively refrain from discussing a subject, which the company itself made most topical, then I can point to the foregoing and many other examples of what to expect in the future. Personally, I am disappointed in where I see Declude now and where I see it going. The lack of good flowing communications to/from the customer base about new releases, bug fixes, etc. and, particularly, the lack of a properly orchestrated roll-out of this new product enhancement/add-on, says that the organization is disjointed, disorganized and that major changes are not well thought out and prepared for in advance, nor well managed as brush fire on the back side. The people expressing concerns, asking questions and wanting an audience are your active customers. Keep telling them to go away and they will. How many times is Declude going to kick itself in the chins with steel toed combat boots before someone there gets it? Thanks, Tuesday, July 18, 2006, 4:19:51 PM, David Barker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DB> Just as a side note. I have provided the contact information if you have any DB> further questions about the upcoming program, please be reminded that the DB> board is designed for comments on performance, function, features of our DB> software, not Declude's strategy of marketing & sales programs. DB> Thanks DB> David B DB> www.declude.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David DB> Barker DB> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:09 PM DB> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com DB> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 DB> Matt, DB> Managed services is the fastest growing segment of this industry, CAGR DB> forecasted at 25% per year through 2009. While the industry may seem DB> commoditized, you have pointed out that businesses like Postini offer a DB> poor product but are projecting $100,000,000 in revenues. So I'd say there DB> is plenty of revenue to cannibalize if Declude works with Service Providers DB> to empower them to offer premium services and help market and promote those DB> services. This is the idea behind our Service Provider Program. I don't DB> think we're being greedy, but rather trying to get creative and help the DB> small guys compete against the big guys. DB> If you have any questions or would like to speak to someone about the DB> program please call or email: DB> Arik[EMAIL PROTECTED] DB> Kristina[EMAIL PROTECTED] DB> David B DB> www.declude.com DB> DB> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt DB> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM DB> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com DB> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 DB> David, DB> What makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe that there is any DB> revenue to share? For the majority of service providers that are Declude DB> customers, spam blocking is a 100% cost center, and for the few that offer a DB> gateway service, none of us are getting rich, in fact the astounding greed DB> that software companies have presented us with in the last 5 years combined DB> with competitive pressures of cheap or even free services has commoditized DB> much of what we are doing. DB> I have absolutely no revenue to share with Declude or CommTouch outside of DB> reasonable software licensing fees. The only revenue that I share is with DB> those that generate business for my company. If I get rich off of doing DB> what I am doing, it will be primarily the result of my blood, sweat and DB> tears, otherwise there would be 10,000 others just like me. DB> Matt DB> David Barker wrote: DB> There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers DB> we had DB> to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) DB> understand the licensing restrictions. DB> DB> Current Service Pro
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
My hand is raised. Kevin Bilbee Standard Abrasives > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Gary Steiner > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:21 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > Basically you are telling me to ignore the Add Commtouch part of your > web page that shows up when I log in to my account. > > What I find particularly amusing is the line "Restrictions apply to > service providers." If there is anyone subscribed to this mailing list > who is not a service provider, please raise your hand. > > Isn't it generally a good idea to have your product's pricing defined > before you introduce the product? I'm sure that everyone here reading > the list is extremely curious as to what the revenue share program > really is, and when it does come out, unless you hear exclamations of > "What a Bargain" coming off this list there won't be many of us joining > that program. > > Other than the Commtouch add-on, are there any other features or > reasons to upgrade to 4.3? > > > > Original Message > > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:03 PM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > Gary, > > > > 1. Server Providers who use CommTouch as an add-in to Declude will be > > in violation of CommTouch's Terms of service. > > > > 2. Some of the benefits of CommTouch are Zero Hour virus protection > > and additional spam identifying technology such as Recurrent Pattern > > Detection Technology (RPD) recognized by key industry analysts as a > > leading technology in email outbreak detection. > > > > 3. We are in the process of defining the revenue share program and > > will provide the details to this when it is ready. > > > > David B > > www.declude.com > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Gary Steiner > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:09 PM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > So, that being said, under what conditions can a legacy customer use > > Commtouch? > > > > Since it would seem that Commtouch is being offered as an add-on, > what > > are the benefits of having Commtouch? What does it do that Declude > > alone does not? > > > > And of course it would be nice if this "revenue share program" was > > spelled out somewhere. > > > > > > > > Original Message > > > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:57 PM > > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > > > There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers > > > we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 > > > June > > > 06) understand the licensing restrictions. > > > > > > Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no > > > restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in > component. > > > > > > However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to > > > enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June > 06) > > > to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this > > > program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an > > > opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, > > > by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which > > > would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include > CommTouch. > > > > > > David B > > > www.declude.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > John T > > > (Lists) > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license > agreement: > > > > > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise > > > transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User > > > License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from > Declude, > > > Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed > > > Program into another application and then distribute such to third > > > parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, > Inc.). > > > As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not > > > permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to > > > customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been > > > established > > with Declude. > > > > > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > > > > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the > software > > > and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > > > > > John T > > > eServices For You > > > > > > "Seek, and ye shall fin
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Basically you are telling me to ignore the Add Commtouch part of your web page that shows up when I log in to my account. What I find particularly amusing is the line "Restrictions apply to service providers." If there is anyone subscribed to this mailing list who is not a service provider, please raise your hand. Isn't it generally a good idea to have your product's pricing defined before you introduce the product? I'm sure that everyone here reading the list is extremely curious as to what the revenue share program really is, and when it does come out, unless you hear exclamations of "What a Bargain" coming off this list there won't be many of us joining that program. Other than the Commtouch add-on, are there any other features or reasons to upgrade to 4.3? Original Message > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:03 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > Gary, > > 1. Server Providers who use CommTouch as an add-in to Declude will be in > violation of CommTouch's Terms of service. > > 2. Some of the benefits of CommTouch are Zero Hour virus protection and > additional spam identifying technology such as Recurrent Pattern Detection > Technology (RPD) recognized by key industry analysts as a leading technology > in email outbreak detection. > > 3. We are in the process of defining the revenue share program and will > provide the details to this when it is ready. > > David B > www.declude.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary > Steiner > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:09 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > So, that being said, under what conditions can a legacy customer use > Commtouch? > > Since it would seem that Commtouch is being offered as an add-on, what are > the benefits of having Commtouch? What does it do that Declude alone does > not? > > And of course it would be nice if this "revenue share program" was spelled > out somewhere. > > > > Original Message > > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:57 PM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we > > had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June > > 06) understand the licensing restrictions. > > > > Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no > > restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. > > > > However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to > > enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) > > to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this > > program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an > > opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by > > providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be > > independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. > > > > David B > > www.declude.com > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > John T > > (Lists) > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: > > > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise > > transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User > > License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, > > Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed > > Program into another application and then distribute such to third > > parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). > > As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not > > permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to > > customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established > with Declude. > > > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software > > and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > > > John T > > eServices For You > > > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > > Gary Steiner > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today > > > about > > Declude 4.3? > > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to > > > know > > what I'm > > > getting before I ins
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
David, There are only a handful of us that offer spam and virus blocking as an itemized service, the others that are service providers offer these things as expected services, and do so at great cost and labor. Most service providers generate no direct revenue from spam and virus blocking. For the few of us that do, none of us are projecting $100 million in revenues from the services, or even 1 million, much less that much in terms of profits. Declude doesn't generate my income. It is just one of many tools that I use. Adding CommTouch would not generate even $1 more in extra revenue for me either, so except for the possibility of saving my labor, there is no financial benefit to me adding it on. I would trial it if I thought that it could provide some benefit to what I already have (which is tough), but I would never share revenue with anyone that doesn't themselves help me generate revenue. Please note that I am trying to be nice here. This would really piss me off if I thought that it has any chance for success as a model going forward and it affected me, but it doesn't. The only thing it serves to do is reinforce the continuation of strange and unfortunate choices that have been made. There are plenty of software companies offering similar products that have much more normal licensing and pricing arrangements, and they clearly work. I would suggest that Declude innovate the product instead of innovating the licensing and pricing. Declude is not big enough of a company to defeat the lingua franca of the industries it operates within. Matt David Barker wrote: Matt, Managed services is the fastest growing segment of this industry, CAGR forecasted at 25% per year through 2009. While the industry may seem commoditized, you have pointed out that businesses like Postini offer a poor product but are projecting $100,000,000 in revenues. So I'd say there is plenty of revenue to cannibalize if Declude works with Service Providers to empower them to offer premium services and help market and promote those services. This is the idea behind our Service Provider Program. I don't think we're being greedy, but rather trying to get creative and help the small guys compete against the big guys. If you have any questions or would like to speak to someone about the program please call or email: Arik[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kristina[EMAIL PROTECTED] David B www.declude.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 David, What makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe that there is any revenue to share? For the majority of service providers that are Declude customers, spam blocking is a 100% cost center, and for the few that offer a gateway service, none of us are getting rich, in fact the astounding greed that software companies have presented us with in the last 5 years combined with competitive pressures of cheap or even free services has commoditized much of what we are doing. I have absolutely no revenue to share with Declude or CommTouch outside of reasonable software licensing fees. The only revenue that I share is with those that generate business for my company. If I get rich off of doing what I am doing, it will be primarily the result of my blood, sweat and tears, otherwise there would be 10,000 others just like me. Matt David Barker wrote: There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) understand the licensing restrictions. Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Glenn, We do understand - which is exactly why we recognize that you cannot continue on the current path you are on today :) and as a Declude community we need to get creative. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn \ WCNet Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:32 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 To give you guys over at Declude an idea of what is going on out here in the real world of small ISPs, there may be some small bit of revenue (meaning funds from paying customers) coming in here, but the operating costs have outweighed that for the last couple years. The owner has sunk over $100,000 of his personal funds into the business to keep it afloat. I've already eliminated software and hardware maintenance contracts on several things. Two employees have been eliminated and one cut to part-time (two days per week), on a staff that originally was an impressive grand total of six people. I have not had pay raise in four years. - Original Message - From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Matt, Managed services is the fastest growing segment of this industry, CAGR forecasted at 25% per year through 2009. While the industry may seem commoditized, you have pointed out that businesses like Postini offer a poor product but are projecting $100,000,000 in revenues. So I'd say there is plenty of revenue to cannibalize if Declude works with Service Providers to empower them to offer premium services and help market and promote those services. This is the idea behind our Service Provider Program. I don't think we're being greedy, but rather trying to get creative and help the small guys compete against the big guys. If you have any questions or would like to speak to someone about the program please call or email: Arik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] David B www.declude.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 David, What makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe that there is any revenue to share? For the majority of service providers that are Declude customers, spam blocking is a 100% cost center, and for the few that offer a gateway service, none of us are getting rich, in fact the astounding greed that software companies have presented us with in the last 5 years combined with competitive pressures of cheap or even free services has commoditized much of what we are doing. I have absolutely no revenue to share with Declude or CommTouch outside of reasonable software licensing fees. The only revenue that I share is with those that generate business for my company. If I get rich off of doing what I am doing, it will be primarily the result of my blood, sweat and tears, otherwise there would be 10,000 others just like me. Matt David Barker wrote: There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) understand the licensing restrictions. Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
To give you guys over at Declude an idea of what is going on out here in the real world of small ISPs, there may be some small bit of revenue (meaning funds from paying customers) coming in here, but the operating costs have outweighed that for the last couple years. The owner has sunk over $100,000 of his personal funds into the business to keep it afloat. I've already eliminated software and hardware maintenance contracts on several things. Two employees have been eliminated and one cut to part-time (two days per week), on a staff that originally was an impressive grand total of six people. I have not had pay raise in four years. - Original Message - From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Matt, Managed services is the fastest growing segment of this industry, CAGR forecasted at 25% per year through 2009. While the industry may seem commoditized, you have pointed out that businesses like Postini offer a poor product but are projecting $100,000,000 in revenues. So I'd say there is plenty of revenue to cannibalize if Declude works with Service Providers to empower them to offer premium services and help market and promote those services. This is the idea behind our Service Provider Program. I don't think we're being greedy, but rather trying to get creative and help the small guys compete against the big guys. If you have any questions or would like to speak to someone about the program please call or email: Arik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kristina [EMAIL PROTECTED] David B www.declude.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 David, What makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe that there is any revenue to share? For the majority of service providers that are Declude customers, spam blocking is a 100% cost center, and for the few that offer a gateway service, none of us are getting rich, in fact the astounding greed that software companies have presented us with in the last 5 years combined with competitive pressures of cheap or even free services has commoditized much of what we are doing. I have absolutely no revenue to share with Declude or CommTouch outside of reasonable software licensing fees. The only revenue that I share is with those that generate business for my company. If I get rich off of doing what I am doing, it will be primarily the result of my blood, sweat and tears, otherwise there would be 10,000 others just like me. Matt David Barker wrote: There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) understand the licensing restrictions. Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about Declude 4.3? I see that its downloadable in my account, b
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Just as a side note. I have provided the contact information if you have any further questions about the upcoming program, please be reminded that the board is designed for comments on performance, function, features of our software, not Declude's strategy of marketing & sales programs. Thanks David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:09 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 Matt, Managed services is the fastest growing segment of this industry, CAGR forecasted at 25% per year through 2009. While the industry may seem commoditized, you have pointed out that businesses like Postini offer a poor product but are projecting $100,000,000 in revenues. So I'd say there is plenty of revenue to cannibalize if Declude works with Service Providers to empower them to offer premium services and help market and promote those services. This is the idea behind our Service Provider Program. I don't think we're being greedy, but rather trying to get creative and help the small guys compete against the big guys. If you have any questions or would like to speak to someone about the program please call or email: Arik[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kristina[EMAIL PROTECTED] David B www.declude.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 David, What makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe that there is any revenue to share? For the majority of service providers that are Declude customers, spam blocking is a 100% cost center, and for the few that offer a gateway service, none of us are getting rich, in fact the astounding greed that software companies have presented us with in the last 5 years combined with competitive pressures of cheap or even free services has commoditized much of what we are doing. I have absolutely no revenue to share with Declude or CommTouch outside of reasonable software licensing fees. The only revenue that I share is with those that generate business for my company. If I get rich off of doing what I am doing, it will be primarily the result of my blood, sweat and tears, otherwise there would be 10,000 others just like me. Matt David Barker wrote: There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) understand the licensing restrictions. Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Se
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Matt, Managed services is the fastest growing segment of this industry, CAGR forecasted at 25% per year through 2009. While the industry may seem commoditized, you have pointed out that businesses like Postini offer a poor product but are projecting $100,000,000 in revenues. So I'd say there is plenty of revenue to cannibalize if Declude works with Service Providers to empower them to offer premium services and help market and promote those services. This is the idea behind our Service Provider Program. I don't think we're being greedy, but rather trying to get creative and help the small guys compete against the big guys. If you have any questions or would like to speak to someone about the program please call or email: Arik[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kristina[EMAIL PROTECTED] David B www.declude.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 David, What makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe that there is any revenue to share? For the majority of service providers that are Declude customers, spam blocking is a 100% cost center, and for the few that offer a gateway service, none of us are getting rich, in fact the astounding greed that software companies have presented us with in the last 5 years combined with competitive pressures of cheap or even free services has commoditized much of what we are doing. I have absolutely no revenue to share with Declude or CommTouch outside of reasonable software licensing fees. The only revenue that I share is with those that generate business for my company. If I get rich off of doing what I am doing, it will be primarily the result of my blood, sweat and tears, otherwise there would be 10,000 others just like me. Matt David Barker wrote: There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) understand the licensing restrictions. Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about Declude 4.3? I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to know what I'm getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
John, These are all very important questions which we will answer with the revenue share program. Please understand we are not forcing any existing customers to change, but rather are offering an alternative, this is why CommTouch is an add-on so that we do not place you in a position that will effect your current business model negatively. You will still have the choice of taking us up on our offer or not. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:40 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 David, lets say for the sake of discussion I wanted to use/purchase/license the Declude Gateway product with CommTouch as a "legacy" customer. Who and how is the revenue projected or actual derived from use of the CommTouch software/feature? Is Declude going to pay some one to audit my accounting? Do I have to pay some one to audit my accounting? Who or how is revenue going to be defined? If you ask my clients, it will depend. If their wife/husband/friend/associate at another company is getting lots and spam and he/she is not, they will say the service is valuable. But in the next second, if that important e-mail telling them about a change to the proposition they have been working on for 2 months is delayed, they will say the service is worthless. Are we going to have to keep a diary of when the service is valuable and when it is worthless to determine the percentage of revenue? And exactly how is that percentage going to be determined? Without spam filtering, our service is meaningless, yet it is by far not the only cost associated with our service. Or I am going to have to purchase some kind of software that will create a report showing by percentage how much spam was caught by the CommTouch software/feature compared to other tests? But what about spam that gets caught by a lot of different tests? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > David Barker > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:42 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we > had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June > 06) understand the licensing restrictions. > > Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no > restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. > > However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to > enable our > legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage > of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced > onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase > revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the > Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and > will include CommTouch. > > David B > www.declude.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > John T > (Lists) > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise > transfer the > Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License > Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for > such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program > into another application and then distribute such to third parties > unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of > June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to > use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a > separate revenue share agreement has > been established with Declude. > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software > and now > have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > John T > eServices For You > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Gary Steiner > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today > > about > Declude 4.3? > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to > > know > what I'm > > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. > > > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are > > especially > confusing. > > > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > > > W
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Gary, 1. Server Providers who use CommTouch as an add-in to Declude will be in violation of CommTouch's Terms of service. 2. Some of the benefits of CommTouch are Zero Hour virus protection and additional spam identifying technology such as Recurrent Pattern Detection Technology (RPD) recognized by key industry analysts as a leading technology in email outbreak detection. 3. We are in the process of defining the revenue share program and will provide the details to this when it is ready. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:09 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 So, that being said, under what conditions can a legacy customer use Commtouch? Since it would seem that Commtouch is being offered as an add-on, what are the benefits of having Commtouch? What does it do that Declude alone does not? And of course it would be nice if this "revenue share program" was spelled out somewhere. Original Message > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:57 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we > had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June > 06) understand the licensing restrictions. > > Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no > restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. > > However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to > enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) > to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this > program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an > opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by > providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be > independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. > > David B > www.declude.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > John T > (Lists) > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise > transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User > License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, > Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed > Program into another application and then distribute such to third > parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). > As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not > permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to > customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software > and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > John T > eServices For You > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Gary Steiner > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today > > about > Declude 4.3? > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to > > know > what I'm > > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. > > > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are > > especially > confusing. > > > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? > Based on my > > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be > > able to > use > > Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it > > to > me? > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > > http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
David, lets say for the sake of discussion I wanted to use/purchase/license the Declude Gateway product with CommTouch as a "legacy" customer. Who and how is the revenue projected or actual derived from use of the CommTouch software/feature? Is Declude going to pay some one to audit my accounting? Do I have to pay some one to audit my accounting? Who or how is revenue going to be defined? If you ask my clients, it will depend. If their wife/husband/friend/associate at another company is getting lots and spam and he/she is not, they will say the service is valuable. But in the next second, if that important e-mail telling them about a change to the proposition they have been working on for 2 months is delayed, they will say the service is worthless. Are we going to have to keep a diary of when the service is valuable and when it is worthless to determine the percentage of revenue? And exactly how is that percentage going to be determined? Without spam filtering, our service is meaningless, yet it is by far not the only cost associated with our service. Or I am going to have to purchase some kind of software that will create a report showing by percentage how much spam was caught by the CommTouch software/feature compared to other tests? But what about spam that gets caught by a lot of different tests? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David > Barker > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:42 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had > to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) > understand the licensing restrictions. > > Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions > for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. > > However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our > legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage > of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced > onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase > revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the > Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will > include CommTouch. > > David B > www.declude.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T > (Lists) > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the > Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement > unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes > (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another > application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first > acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and > other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean > and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has > been established with Declude. > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now > have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > John T > eServices For You > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Gary Steiner > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about > Declude 4.3? > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to > > know > what I'm > > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. > > > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are > > especially > confusing. > > > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? > Based on my > > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be able > > to > use > > Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it > > to > me? > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > > http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, > just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe > D
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Andy, Yes I agree with you. Since I have a perpetual license I have the right to use the last version that I acquire under a current service agreement FOREVER. Just like I can still continue to use Word 95 if I had purchased it and it would run on the hardware/os etc etc I was using "OWN" and "RIGHT TO USE FOREVER" interchangeably Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy > Schmidt > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:44 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > Goran, > > Actually, you do NOT own the software. The software vendor does (unless > they > wrote it "for hire"). > > With a paid-up, perpetual license you own the RIGHT to use the software > version you purchased without time restriction and without making > additional > payments - but that's all. > > An annual (or whatever term) licensee, will have to pay for each term. > > In either case, you will need to acquire a service agreement to obtain > more > current versions that what you originally pre-paid for. > > Best Regards > Andy Schmidt > > Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) > Fax:+1 201 934-9206 > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran > Jovanovic > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 03:24 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > John, > > That applies to the Version 4 product for the people who are renting it on > an annual basis. Check out section 2 on that page > > 2. Copyright and ownership > > Once you have acquired the Product, You own only the Media on which the > Software is recorded. You do not own the Software itself. The Software is > the exclusive property of Declude, Inc. The Software and the Documentation > are proprietary products of Declude, Inc. and are protected by copyright > and > other intellectual property rights. Declude, Inc. reserves the right to > maintain records of your installation. This may include the electronic > notification of your installation from your mail server, appliance or > gateway server to Declude, Inc. > > Us who have a perpetual license do not fall in this category. We own the > software and not just the media. So there must be another version of this > document for us perpetual users as this one dows not apply to us. > > Goran Jovanovic > Omega Network Solutions > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > John T > > (Lists) > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license > agreement: > > > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise > transfer > > the > > Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License > Agreement > > unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such > purposes > > (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another > > application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first > > acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's > and > > other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to > clean > > and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share > agreement > > has > > been established with Declude. > > > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software > and > > now > > have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > > > John T > > eServices For You > > > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Gary > > > Steiner > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today > about > > Declude 4.3? > > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to > know > > what I'm > > > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. > > > > > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are > > especially > > confusing. > > > > > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > > > > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the > restrictions? > > Based on my > > > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be > able > > to > > use > > > Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it > to > > me? > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > > > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > > > http:/
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. Excellent! Thanks for the reply - -Nick --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
So, that being said, under what conditions can a legacy customer use Commtouch? Since it would seem that Commtouch is being offered as an add-on, what are the benefits of having Commtouch? What does it do that Declude alone does not? And of course it would be nice if this "revenue share program" was spelled out somewhere. Original Message > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:57 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had > to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) > understand the licensing restrictions. > > Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions > for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. > > However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our > legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage > of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced > onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase > revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the > Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will > include CommTouch. > > David B > www.declude.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T > (Lists) > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the > Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement > unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes > (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another > application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first > acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and > other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean > and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has > been established with Declude. > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now > have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > John T > eServices For You > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Gary Steiner > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about > Declude 4.3? > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to > > know > what I'm > > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. > > > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are > > especially > confusing. > > > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? > Based on my > > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be able > > to > use > > Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it > > to > me? > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > > http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, > just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe > Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
David, What makes the good folk at Declude and CommTouch believe that there is any revenue to share? For the majority of service providers that are Declude customers, spam blocking is a 100% cost center, and for the few that offer a gateway service, none of us are getting rich, in fact the astounding greed that software companies have presented us with in the last 5 years combined with competitive pressures of cheap or even free services has commoditized much of what we are doing. I have absolutely no revenue to share with Declude or CommTouch outside of reasonable software licensing fees. The only revenue that I share is with those that generate business for my company. If I get rich off of doing what I am doing, it will be primarily the result of my blood, sweat and tears, otherwise there would be 10,000 others just like me. Matt David Barker wrote: There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) understand the licensing restrictions. Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about Declude 4.3? I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to know what I'm getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are especially confusing. https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? Based on my reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be able to use Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it to me? Gary --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Goran, Actually, you do NOT own the software. The software vendor does (unless they wrote it "for hire"). With a paid-up, perpetual license you own the RIGHT to use the software version you purchased without time restriction and without making additional payments - but that's all. An annual (or whatever term) licensee, will have to pay for each term. In either case, you will need to acquire a service agreement to obtain more current versions that what you originally pre-paid for. Best Regards Andy Schmidt Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 03:24 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 John, That applies to the Version 4 product for the people who are renting it on an annual basis. Check out section 2 on that page 2. Copyright and ownership Once you have acquired the Product, You own only the Media on which the Software is recorded. You do not own the Software itself. The Software is the exclusive property of Declude, Inc. The Software and the Documentation are proprietary products of Declude, Inc. and are protected by copyright and other intellectual property rights. Declude, Inc. reserves the right to maintain records of your installation. This may include the electronic notification of your installation from your mail server, appliance or gateway server to Declude, Inc. Us who have a perpetual license do not fall in this category. We own the software and not just the media. So there must be another version of this document for us perpetual users as this one dows not apply to us. Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T > (Lists) > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer > the > Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement > unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes > (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another > application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first > acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and > other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean > and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement > has > been established with Declude. > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and > now > have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > John T > eServices For You > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary > > Steiner > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about > Declude 4.3? > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to know > what I'm > > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. > > > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are > especially > confusing. > > > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? > Based on my > > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be able > to > use > > Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it to > me? > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > > http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 06) understand the licensing restrictions. Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component. However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T (Lists) Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Gary Steiner > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about Declude 4.3? > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to > know what I'm > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are > especially confusing. > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? Based on my > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be able > to use > Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it > to me? > > Gary > > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type > "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
David - at Declude - Would you kindly comment on this? Also on what is Declude 4.3? -Nick John T (Lists) wrote: I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gary Steiner Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about Declude 4.3? I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to know what I'm getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are especially confusing. https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? Based on my reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be able to use Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it to me? Gary --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. ---This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. Tounsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], andtype "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be foundat http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
John, That applies to the Version 4 product for the people who are renting it on an annual basis. Check out section 2 on that page 2. Copyright and ownership Once you have acquired the Product, You own only the Media on which the Software is recorded. You do not own the Software itself. The Software is the exclusive property of Declude, Inc. The Software and the Documentation are proprietary products of Declude, Inc. and are protected by copyright and other intellectual property rights. Declude, Inc. reserves the right to maintain records of your installation. This may include the electronic notification of your installation from your mail server, appliance or gateway server to Declude, Inc. Us who have a perpetual license do not fall in this category. We own the software and not just the media. So there must be another version of this document for us perpetual users as this one dows not apply to us. Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John T > (Lists) > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: > > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer > the > Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement > unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes > (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another > application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first > acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and > other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean > and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement > has > been established with Declude. > > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 > > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and > now > have to pay them some of your meager profits? > > John T > eServices For You > > "Seek, and ye shall find!" > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary > > Steiner > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about > Declude 4.3? > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to know > what I'm > > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. > > > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are > especially > confusing. > > > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? > Based on my > > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be able > to > use > > Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it to > me? > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
Well the definition says: "As a service provider (definition: a business which provides their customers with delivery of their Email communications and/or users with access to their own Email)" We are all businesses of one sort or another - Check We all provide our customers (internal or external) with delivery of email - Check So I agree can any one of us use this product? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network Solutions > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary > Steiner > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:24 PM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about > Declude 4.3? I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be > nice to know what I'm getting before I install it, especially the new > Commtouch stuff. > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are especially > confusing. > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? > Based on my reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever > be able to use Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please > explain it to me? > > Gary > > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement: 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed Program into another application and then distribute such to third parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established with Declude. http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121 Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software and now have to pay them some of your meager profits? John T eServices For You "Seek, and ye shall find!" > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary > Steiner > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about Declude 4.3? > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to know what I'm > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are especially confusing. > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? Based on my > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be able to use > Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it to me? > > Gary > > > > > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] CommTouch Questions
(1) Does anyone know exactly how this works? It says its signature less so that seems interesting... (2) Is there a trial? Darrell --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude, Imail, mxGuard, and ORF. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
[Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today about Declude 4.3? I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to know what I'm getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff. The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are especially confusing. https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205 Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions? Based on my reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be able to use Commtouch. If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it to me? Gary --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner
Restart the proc Chris Asaro Technical Support Engineer Declude Your Email Security is our Business 978.499.2933 x 7009 office 978.764.7960 mobile 978.988.1311 efax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Doyle Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:12 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner Nick Good catch, at the bottom of my diags.txt file I see 2 "INVALID KEY" entries. My firewall does not allow domain names to be entered as source or destination addresses, only IP addresses. I had an old entry for 63.246.13.84 entered on march 06, doing an nslookup for keys.declude.com I now get 63.246.31.246. I've added the new address and allow incoming and outgoing traffic, but am not sure what to do next. Not sure if I should restart the decludeproc or what. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nick Hayer Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:59 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner Chris Asaro wrote: > Try opening the diags.txt file in your \mailserver\declude directory. Check > to see if you are receiving an invalid key code error. When I went to 4.20 I had no such error code however the evidently there was a one hence Declude ceased to function without warning. -Nick > --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner
John, Also, there is a directive you can add in your declude.cfg file that says how often the AVG patterns will be updated. By default I think its every 23 hours. The line I have is AVGUPDATEFREQHRS xx where xx is the hours. Remember any chance to this file requires a restart of the decludeproc service. Darrell --- Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude, Imail, mxGuard, and ORF. IMail/Declude Overflow Queue Monitoring, SURBL/URI integration, MRTG Integration, and Log Parsers. John Doyle writes: Chris Thanks for swerving back to the subject at hand. I tried this last night and found yes indeed the firewall was blocking the outgoing request. I added the new IP address and it returned the 1.1.1.1. However I neglected to allow incoming traffic and as of this morning it had not updated the db files. This morning I opened up the firewall to incoming traffic and am waiting for something to happen. I now understand it takes 24 hours for the system to fire up the first time. Not sure why. But I'm waiting for this to happen to see if it all works. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Asaro Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:39 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner John Try opening the diags.txt file in your \mailserver\declude directory. Check to see if you are receiving an invalid key code error. If not try this: http://support.declude.com/Customer/KBArticle.aspx?articleid=57 Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Doyle Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:38 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner None of the db files have ever updated. Does anyone know what ports, protocols, whatever is used to do the update. Either Declude is not requesting the db update, or our firewall is blocking either the request or the subsequent update file. So far I haven't been able to find anything in the firewall logs. thanks for any help John --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner
Nick Good catch, at the bottom of my diags.txt file I see 2 "INVALID KEY" entries. My firewall does not allow domain names to be entered as source or destination addresses, only IP addresses. I had an old entry for 63.246.13.84 entered on march 06, doing an nslookup for keys.declude.com I now get 63.246.31.246. I've added the new address and allow incoming and outgoing traffic, but am not sure what to do next. Not sure if I should restart the decludeproc or what. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nick Hayer Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:59 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner Chris Asaro wrote: > Try opening the diags.txt file in your \mailserver\declude directory. Check > to see if you are receiving an invalid key code error. When I went to 4.20 I had no such error code however the evidently there was a one hence Declude ceased to function without warning. -Nick > --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner
Chris Thanks for swerving back to the subject at hand. I tried this last night and found yes indeed the firewall was blocking the outgoing request. I added the new IP address and it returned the 1.1.1.1. However I neglected to allow incoming traffic and as of this morning it had not updated the db files. This morning I opened up the firewall to incoming traffic and am waiting for something to happen. I now understand it takes 24 hours for the system to fire up the first time. Not sure why. But I'm waiting for this to happen to see if it all works. John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Asaro Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:39 AM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner John Try opening the diags.txt file in your \mailserver\declude directory. Check to see if you are receiving an invalid key code error. If not try this: http://support.declude.com/Customer/KBArticle.aspx?articleid=57 Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Doyle Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:38 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner None of the db files have ever updated. Does anyone know what ports, protocols, whatever is used to do the update. Either Declude is not requesting the db update, or our firewall is blocking either the request or the subsequent update file. So far I haven't been able to find anything in the firewall logs. thanks for any help John --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner
Chris Asaro wrote: Try opening the diags.txt file in your \mailserver\declude directory. Check to see if you are receiving an invalid key code error. When I went to 4.20 I had no such error code however the evidently there was a one hence Declude ceased to function without warning. -Nick --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner
John Try opening the diags.txt file in your \mailserver\declude directory. Check to see if you are receiving an invalid key code error. If not try this: http://support.declude.com/Customer/KBArticle.aspx?articleid=57 Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Doyle Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:38 PM To: declude.junkmail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Speaking of Decludes AVG scanner None of the db files have ever updated. Does anyone know what ports, protocols, whatever is used to do the update. Either Declude is not requesting the db update, or our firewall is blocking either the request or the subsequent update file. So far I haven't been able to find anything in the firewall logs. thanks for any help John --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/390 - Release Date: 7/17/2006 --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
