Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Rich Bowen]

> On Apr 19, 2024, at 12:36 PM, sebb  wrote:
> 
> Before diving into any changes to how the calendar is defined and
> maintained, I think it is vital to establish what is wanted from the
> calendar, both from the maintenance point of view and the user PoV.
> 
> The existing calendar allows views by week, month and agenda (serial).
> One can move back and forth in the listings easily, and they can be
> downloaded and printed.
> Individual entries can be copied to one's personal calendar.
> Selecting an entry shows more information, with links to further details.
> There are probably more functions I have not considered.

Yes, that seems adequate.

FWIW, my minimum feature set is:

* Manage entries without having to edit ics files directly. (Details not 
terribly important, If I could interact with it via gui, that would be nice, 
but a simple text data format would be ok too.)
* Display events as a list (we already have this)
* Display events in a table-form calendar, so that overlaps/conflicts can be 
clearly seen. Bonus for displaying major world holidays.
* Ability to subscribe via standard calendar application.
* Entries can indicate a location and a URL for more detail

It sounds like you have all of that covered in your list.
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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[sebb]

Before diving into any changes to how the calendar is defined and
maintained, I think it is vital to establish what is wanted from the
calendar, both from the maintenance point of view and the user PoV.

The existing calendar allows views by week, month and agenda (serial).
One can move back and forth in the listings easily, and they can be
downloaded and printed.
Individual entries can be copied to one's personal calendar.
Selecting an entry shows more information, with links to further details.
There are probably more functions I have not considered.

Are all these needed?

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 15:08, Bertrand Delacretaz
 wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 2:13 PM Rich Bowen  wrote:
> > ...I would *really* like to not have to edit ics files directly. That way 
> > lies madness...
>
> Indeed. If someone wants to take a look, Hugo (which is used for both
> the comdev and events websites) does support the generation of iCal
> files directly from markdown files representing events.
>
> https://github.com/raoulb/hugo-ical-templates-demo looks like a good
> example of that, except that it's using a complicated date format in
> the Markdown event files. But that can certainly be fixed.
>
> -Bertrand (really in "someone should" mode here, won't probably have
> time to help right now)
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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 2:13 PM Rich Bowen  wrote:
> ...I would *really* like to not have to edit ics files directly. That way 
> lies madness...

Indeed. If someone wants to take a look, Hugo (which is used for both
the comdev and events websites) does support the generation of iCal
files directly from markdown files representing events.

https://github.com/raoulb/hugo-ical-templates-demo looks like a good
example of that, except that it's using a complicated date format in
the Markdown event files. But that can certainly be fixed.

-Bertrand (really in "someone should" mode here, won't probably have
time to help right now)

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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[sebb]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 12:08, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 11:38 AM sebb  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 10:21, Raphael Bircher 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sebb
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:49 AM sebb  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > To put the data in a (JavaScript) generated Calendar like the one who was
> > > included via IFrame.
> >
> > But which data exactly? Where would the data be kept?
> >
> > The ICal file from google. We could fetch it directly from google or fetch
> it regularly on our server and include it from there into the JavaScript.

It would be trivial to fetch, but parsing it is non-trivial compared
with the JSON output.

> And would the page have the same functionality as the existing Google
> > calendar?
> >
>
> Not exactly the same I think

It does not have to look the same, but it should provide most of the
same functionality, otherwise why bother?

> >
> > If not, what would be different?
> >
> The main benefit would be, that we are able to move away from Google
> Calendar like Rich recommended earlier in the discussion

If we are to move away from Google Calendar, then the data should be
stored in a format that is easier to maintain and use.
ICS is not such a format.

> The JavaScript Calendar will only need a .ics files

Not an easy job, parsing ICS files.

> Regards, Raphael

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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Rich Bowen]

> On Apr 19, 2024, at 7:08 AM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
> 
> The JavaScript Calendar will only need a .ics files

I would *really* like to not have to edit ics files directly. That way lies 
madness.

Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Sebb

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 11:38 AM sebb  wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 10:21, Raphael Bircher 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:49 AM sebb  wrote:
> >
> >
> > To put the data in a (JavaScript) generated Calendar like the one who was
> > included via IFrame.
>
> But which data exactly? Where would the data be kept?
>
> The ICal file from google. We could fetch it directly from google or fetch
it regularly on our server and include it from there into the JavaScript.

And would the page have the same functionality as the existing Google
> calendar?
>

Not exactly the same I think

>
> If not, what would be different?
>
The main benefit would be, that we are able to move away from Google
Calendar like Rich recommended earlier in the discussion
The JavaScript Calendar will only need a .ics files

Regards, Raphael

Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[sebb]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 10:21, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:49 AM sebb  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 09:23, Raphael Bircher 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:10 AM sebb  wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 05:58, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Sebb,
> > > > >
> > > > > That is a a good approach! Can a similar approach be used with
> > > >
> > https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=nerseigospses068jd57bk5...@group.calendar.google.com=UTC=1
> > > >
> > > > If you are referring to the reference on the event/calendar.html page,
> > > > then no.
> > > >
> > > > As already noted, that is a dynamic page, whereas the front page only
> > > > shows the first 20 entries.
> > > >
> > > > Should we, (Vefko) now work on a JavaScript solution or not?
> >
> > Solution to what exactly?
> >
>
> To put the data in a (JavaScript) generated Calendar like the one who was
> included via IFrame.

But which data exactly? Where would the data be kept?

And would the page have the same functionality as the existing Google calendar?

If not, what would be different?

> Regards, Raphael

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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Sebb

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:49 AM sebb  wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 09:23, Raphael Bircher 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:10 AM sebb  wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 05:58, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Sebb,
> > > >
> > > > That is a a good approach! Can a similar approach be used with
> > >
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=nerseigospses068jd57bk5...@group.calendar.google.com=UTC=1
> > >
> > > If you are referring to the reference on the event/calendar.html page,
> > > then no.
> > >
> > > As already noted, that is a dynamic page, whereas the front page only
> > > shows the first 20 entries.
> > >
> > > Should we, (Vefko) now work on a JavaScript solution or not?
>
> Solution to what exactly?
>

To put the data in a (JavaScript) generated Calendar like the one who was
included via IFrame.

Regards, Raphael

Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[sebb]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 09:23, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:10 AM sebb  wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 05:58, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Sebb,
> > >
> > > That is a a good approach! Can a similar approach be used with
> > https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=nerseigospses068jd57bk5...@group.calendar.google.com=UTC=1
> >
> > If you are referring to the reference on the event/calendar.html page,
> > then no.
> >
> > As already noted, that is a dynamic page, whereas the front page only
> > shows the first 20 entries.
> >
> > Should we, (Vefko) now work on a JavaScript solution or not?

Solution to what exactly?

> Regards, Raphael

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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi all

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 10:10 AM sebb  wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 05:58, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sebb,
> >
> > That is a a good approach! Can a similar approach be used with
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=nerseigospses068jd57bk5...@group.calendar.google.com=UTC=1
>
> If you are referring to the reference on the event/calendar.html page,
> then no.
>
> As already noted, that is a dynamic page, whereas the front page only
> shows the first 20 entries.
>
> Should we, (Vefko) now work on a JavaScript solution or not?

Regards, Raphael

Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[sebb]

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 05:58, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> Hi Sebb,
>
> That is a a good approach! Can a similar approach be used with 
> https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=nerseigospses068jd57bk5...@group.calendar.google.com=UTC=1

If you are referring to the reference on the event/calendar.html page, then no.

As already noted, that is a dynamic page, whereas the front page only
shows the first 20 entries.

> Best,
> Dave
>
> > On Apr 18, 2024, at 4:47 PM, sebb  wrote:
> >
> > OK, done.
> >
> > https://community-calendar.staged.apache.org/ shows the calendar from
> > a local copy of the calendar data.
> > It should look exactly the same as the main site.
> >
> > The plan is to fetch the calendar regularly using a GHA cron job
> > (daily should be sufficient; it can always be triggered manually if
> > necessary).
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 15:44, sebb  wrote:
> >>
> >> Note that we don't have a DPA with Google, and it is extremely
> >> unlikely that we ever will, so the calendar on the main page also
> >> falls foul of the ASF privacy policy.
> >>
> >> Given that the data is static, it should not be too difficult to
> >> extract the data when the site is built.
> >>
> >> I'll try and look at that later.
> >>
> >> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 15:27, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> >>>
>  On Apr 18, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Raphael Bircher  
>  wrote:
> 
>  Hi all
> 
>  Just a notice: before we install an other tool only to have a Ical
>  function... confluence already has a calendar.
> >>>
> >>> Can you possibly say more about this, or perhaps provide a link?
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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Dave Fisher]

Hi Sebb,

That is a a good approach! Can a similar approach be used with 
https://calendar.google.com/calendar/u/0/embed?src=nerseigospses068jd57bk5...@group.calendar.google.com=UTC=1

Best,
Dave

> On Apr 18, 2024, at 4:47 PM, sebb  wrote:
> 
> OK, done.
> 
> https://community-calendar.staged.apache.org/ shows the calendar from
> a local copy of the calendar data.
> It should look exactly the same as the main site.
> 
> The plan is to fetch the calendar regularly using a GHA cron job
> (daily should be sufficient; it can always be triggered manually if
> necessary).
> 
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 15:44, sebb  wrote:
>> 
>> Note that we don't have a DPA with Google, and it is extremely
>> unlikely that we ever will, so the calendar on the main page also
>> falls foul of the ASF privacy policy.
>> 
>> Given that the data is static, it should not be too difficult to
>> extract the data when the site is built.
>> 
>> I'll try and look at that later.
>> 
>> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 15:27, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>>> 
 On Apr 18, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Raphael Bircher  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all
 
 Just a notice: before we install an other tool only to have a Ical
 function... confluence already has a calendar.
>>> 
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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[sebb]

OK, done.

https://community-calendar.staged.apache.org/ shows the calendar from
a local copy of the calendar data.
It should look exactly the same as the main site.

The plan is to fetch the calendar regularly using a GHA cron job
(daily should be sufficient; it can always be triggered manually if
necessary).

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 15:44, sebb  wrote:
>
> Note that we don't have a DPA with Google, and it is extremely
> unlikely that we ever will, so the calendar on the main page also
> falls foul of the ASF privacy policy.
>
> Given that the data is static, it should not be too difficult to
> extract the data when the site is built.
>
> I'll try and look at that later.
>
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 15:27, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 18, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Raphael Bircher  
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > Just a notice: before we install an other tool only to have a Ical
> > > function... confluence already has a calendar.
> >
> > Can you possibly say more about this, or perhaps provide a link?
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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[sebb]

Note that we don't have a DPA with Google, and it is extremely
unlikely that we ever will, so the calendar on the main page also
falls foul of the ASF privacy policy.

Given that the data is static, it should not be too difficult to
extract the data when the site is built.

I'll try and look at that later.

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 at 15:27, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>
> > On Apr 18, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Raphael Bircher  
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Just a notice: before we install an other tool only to have a Ical
> > function... confluence already has a calendar.
>
> Can you possibly say more about this, or perhaps provide a link?
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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Rich


On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 4:27 PM Rich Bowen  wrote:

> > On Apr 18, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Raphael Bircher 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Just a notice: before we install an other tool only to have a Ical
> > function... confluence already has a calendar.
>
>
 Ok, we need to install an extension for it.

Can you possibly say more about this, or perhaps provide a link?
>

https://confluence.atlassian.com/teamcal/create-add-and-edit-calendars-654213559.html


Regards, Raphael

Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Rich Bowen]

> On Apr 18, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Raphael Bircher  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Just a notice: before we install an other tool only to have a Ical
> function... confluence already has a calendar.

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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi all

Just a notice: before we install an other tool only to have a Ical
function... confluence already has a calendar.

Regards, Raphael

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 7:40 PM Raphael Bircher 
wrote:

> I don't promise this yet. but I vound an interesting tool for this
> https://github.com/barryvan/discal/tree/master
>
> Maybe a Task for my trainee ;-)
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 6:40 PM Rich Bowen  wrote:
>
>> On Apr 17, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Raphael Bircher 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Rich
>> >
>> > The ICal from Google seems to work, so we could use a JavaScript
>> wrapper to
>> > display it on the page. And if we want, we could replace the iCal Feed
>> from
>> > Google to our own Doc food ;-)
>>
>> To be clear, are you volunteering to do this work?
>>
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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Raphael Bircher]

I don't promise this yet. but I vound an interesting tool for this
https://github.com/barryvan/discal/tree/master

Maybe a Task for my trainee ;-)

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 6:40 PM Rich Bowen  wrote:

> On Apr 17, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Raphael Bircher 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rich
> >
> > The ICal from Google seems to work, so we could use a JavaScript wrapper
> to
> > display it on the page. And if we want, we could replace the iCal Feed
> from
> > Google to our own Doc food ;-)
>
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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[sebb]

As a work-round, I have replaced the embedded calendar with a clickable link.
I agree it is not ideal, but at least it works.

Note that there is a fundamental difference between the summary
calendar on the main page and the full calendar, now no longer
embedded.

The former is a fixed list, with no user interaction, the latter
allows for scrolling by month etc.
I am not an expert, but I suspect it would be difficult to wrap that
in Javascript.

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 at 17:39, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>
> On Apr 17, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Raphael Bircher  
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rich
> >
> > The ICal from Google seems to work, so we could use a JavaScript wrapper to
> > display it on the page. And if we want, we could replace the iCal Feed from
> > Google to our own Doc food ;-)
>
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>
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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Rich Bowen]

On Apr 17, 2024, at 12:33 PM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
> 
> Hi Rich
> 
> The ICal from Google seems to work, so we could use a JavaScript wrapper to
> display it on the page. And if we want, we could replace the iCal Feed from
> Google to our own Doc food ;-)

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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Rich

The ICal from Google seems to work, so we could use a JavaScript wrapper to
display it on the page. And if we want, we could replace the iCal Feed from
Google to our own Doc food ;-)

Regards Raphael

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 6:00 PM Rich Bowen  wrote:

>
> > On Apr 17, 2024, at 11:46 AM, sebb  wrote:
> >
> > An obvious work-round is to provide a link to the calendar, rather
> > than embedding it.
> >
> > A link requires action by the user, so presumably counts as giving
> > consent, (as long as the destination of the link is clear).
>
>
> Sure. This also feels like a much worse user experience than having the
> calendar displayed on our own site.
>
> Either way, someone needs to do this work.
>
>

Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[sebb]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 at 17:01, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>
>
> > On Apr 17, 2024, at 11:46 AM, sebb  wrote:
> >
> > An obvious work-round is to provide a link to the calendar, rather
> > than embedding it.
> >
> > A link requires action by the user, so presumably counts as giving
> > consent, (as long as the destination of the link is clear).
>
>
> Sure. This also feels like a much worse user experience than having the 
> calendar displayed on our own site.

But better than no calendar, and better than exposing PII without permission.

> Either way, someone needs to do this work.
>

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Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[Rich Bowen]

> On Apr 17, 2024, at 11:46 AM, sebb  wrote:
> 
> An obvious work-round is to provide a link to the calendar, rather
> than embedding it.
> 
> A link requires action by the user, so presumably counts as giving
> consent, (as long as the destination of the link is clear).


Sure. This also feels like a much worse user experience than having the 
calendar displayed on our own site.

Either way, someone needs to do this work.

Re: Events calendar: help wanted

[sebb]

An obvious work-round is to provide a link to the calendar, rather
than embedding it.

A link requires action by the user, so presumably counts as giving
consent, (as long as the destination of the link is clear).

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 at 14:14, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>
> events.apache.org  is where we list upcoming 
> events - both primary ASF events (Community Over Code) and project events 
> (Pulsar Summit, eg) that have been approved by Trademarks and ComDev.
>
> This site is backed by a Google Calendar, which is maintained by myself, Mark 
> Thomas, and a handful of other people.
>
> Due to changes in policy (I’m honestly completely unclear whether this is ASF 
> policy, Google policy, or something else) the calendar page - 
> https://events.apache.org/event/calendar.html - no longer works. There is a 
> thread discussing this, and possible remediation, over on the 
> plann...@apachecon.com  list - 
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/14v10tfbrjb50m21skl2mn1bgf6tj6go - but I’m 
> really not sure how to proceed from here.
>
> I see two possible solutions here:
>
> 1) We move the calendar to something that doesn’t involve a third-party 
> provider. This strikes me as the best option - we own the data, and have some 
> method of displaying that data that doesn’t rely on anyone else. There used 
> to be a *ton* of open source calendaring solutions that we could host on our 
> site. (I, myself, used to maintain a Perl CGI calendar called WebCal, way 
> back in the late 1900s.) I would appreciate someone stepping up to find, 
> evaluate, and recommend an option here that we can put into the events site.
>
> 2) Try to jump through the various hoops to get Google Cal working again. 
> This does *not* feel like the right approach, to me, since it seems that we’d 
> just be kicking the can down the road a while longer until yet another 
> privacy policy bites us.
>
> The events site is in Git here: https://github.com/apache/comdev-events-site
>
> Is anyone available/willing to help with this work?
>
> —
> Rich Bowen
> rbo...@rcbowen.com
>
>
>
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Events calendar: help wanted

[Rich Bowen]

events.apache.org  is where we list upcoming events 
- both primary ASF events (Community Over Code) and project events (Pulsar 
Summit, eg) that have been approved by Trademarks and ComDev.

This site is backed by a Google Calendar, which is maintained by myself, Mark 
Thomas, and a handful of other people.

Due to changes in policy (I’m honestly completely unclear whether this is ASF 
policy, Google policy, or something else) the calendar page - 
https://events.apache.org/event/calendar.html - no longer works. There is a 
thread discussing this, and possible remediation, over on the 
plann...@apachecon.com  list - 
https://lists.apache.org/thread/14v10tfbrjb50m21skl2mn1bgf6tj6go - but I’m 
really not sure how to proceed from here.

I see two possible solutions here:

1) We move the calendar to something that doesn’t involve a third-party 
provider. This strikes me as the best option - we own the data, and have some 
method of displaying that data that doesn’t rely on anyone else. There used to 
be a *ton* of open source calendaring solutions that we could host on our site. 
(I, myself, used to maintain a Perl CGI calendar called WebCal, way back in the 
late 1900s.) I would appreciate someone stepping up to find, evaluate, and 
recommend an option here that we can put into the events site.

2) Try to jump through the various hoops to get Google Cal working again. This 
does *not* feel like the right approach, to me, since it seems that we’d just 
be kicking the can down the road a while longer until yet another privacy 
policy bites us.

The events site is in Git here: https://github.com/apache/comdev-events-site

Is anyone available/willing to help with this work?

— 
Rich Bowen
rbo...@rcbowen.com

Re: Please add Pulsar Summit to the Events calendar

[tison]

Thank you!

I saw the thread[1]. So far, the preparation of APAC hasn't been started
and IIUC the date hasn't been determined (the date of NA changed also). We
(the Pulsar PMC) will send a new request when the date is confirmed.

Best,
tison.

[1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/hwyy82xbrv6qm6dnssc5dmy1f8n4o7dt

Mark Thomas  于2023年8月30日周三 23:46写道：

> It was requested by mme...@apache.org on the trademarks@ list
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 30/08/2023 16:44, rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 2023-08-30 at 22:30 +0800, tison wrote:
> >> Thank you!
> >>
> >> I saw an entry for Pulsar Summit APAC at 2023-11-17 to 2023-11-18.
> >> But it
> >> isn't planned on the pulsar-summit site and I don't hear of it. Do
> >> you know
> >> when and who add this entry?
> >
> > I don't, although it was either me or Mark Thomas. I've removed it.
> > Please let me know if we need to add anything back.
> >
> > --Rich
> >
> >>  于2023年8月30日周三 21:55写道：
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 2023-08-30 at 09:25 +0800, tison wrote:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> Please add Pulsar Summit to the Apache Events calendar[1]. It has
> >>>> trademarks approval[2].
> >>>>
> >>>> Pulsar Summit – October 25-27, 2023
> >>>> https://pulsar-summit.org/event/north-america-2023
> >>>> San Francisco
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> tison.
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] https://events.apache.org/event/calendar.html
> >>>> [2]
> >>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/hwyy82xbrv6qm6dnssc5dmy1f8n4o7dt
> >>>
> >>> Done.
> >>>
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: Please add Pulsar Summit to the Events calendar

[Mark Thomas]

It was requested by mme...@apache.org on the trademarks@ list

Mark


On 30/08/2023 16:44, rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:

On Wed, 2023-08-30 at 22:30 +0800, tison wrote:

Thank you!

I saw an entry for Pulsar Summit APAC at 2023-11-17 to 2023-11-18.
But it
isn't planned on the pulsar-summit site and I don't hear of it. Do
you know
when and who add this entry?


I don't, although it was either me or Mark Thomas. I've removed it.
Please let me know if we need to add anything back.

--Rich


 于2023年8月30日周三 21:55写道：


On Wed, 2023-08-30 at 09:25 +0800, tison wrote:

Hi,

Please add Pulsar Summit to the Apache Events calendar[1]. It has
trademarks approval[2].

Pulsar Summit – October 25-27, 2023
https://pulsar-summit.org/event/north-america-2023
San Francisco

Best,
tison.

[1] https://events.apache.org/event/calendar.html
[2]
https://lists.apache.org/thread/hwyy82xbrv6qm6dnssc5dmy1f8n4o7dt


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Re: Please add Pulsar Summit to the Events calendar

[rbowen]

On Wed, 2023-08-30 at 22:30 +0800, tison wrote:
> Thank you!
> 
> I saw an entry for Pulsar Summit APAC at 2023-11-17 to 2023-11-18.
> But it
> isn't planned on the pulsar-summit site and I don't hear of it. Do
> you know
> when and who add this entry?

I don't, although it was either me or Mark Thomas. I've removed it.
Please let me know if we need to add anything back.

--Rich

>  于2023年8月30日周三 21:55写道：
> 
> > On Wed, 2023-08-30 at 09:25 +0800, tison wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Please add Pulsar Summit to the Apache Events calendar[1]. It has
> > > trademarks approval[2].
> > > 
> > > Pulsar Summit – October 25-27, 2023
> > > https://pulsar-summit.org/event/north-america-2023
> > > San Francisco
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > tison.
> > > 
> > > [1] https://events.apache.org/event/calendar.html
> > > [2]
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/hwyy82xbrv6qm6dnssc5dmy1f8n4o7dt
> > 
> > Done.
> > 


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Re: Please add Pulsar Summit to the Events calendar

[tison]

Thank you!

I saw an entry for Pulsar Summit APAC at 2023-11-17 to 2023-11-18. But it
isn't planned on the pulsar-summit site and I don't hear of it. Do you know
when and who add this entry?

Best,
tison.


 于2023年8月30日周三 21:55写道：

> On Wed, 2023-08-30 at 09:25 +0800, tison wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Please add Pulsar Summit to the Apache Events calendar[1]. It has
> > trademarks approval[2].
> >
> > Pulsar Summit – October 25-27, 2023
> > https://pulsar-summit.org/event/north-america-2023
> > San Francisco
> >
> > Best,
> > tison.
> >
> > [1] https://events.apache.org/event/calendar.html
> > [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/hwyy82xbrv6qm6dnssc5dmy1f8n4o7dt
>
> Done.
>

Re: Please add Pulsar Summit to the Events calendar

[rbowen]

On Wed, 2023-08-30 at 09:25 +0800, tison wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Please add Pulsar Summit to the Apache Events calendar[1]. It has
> trademarks approval[2].
> 
> Pulsar Summit – October 25-27, 2023
> https://pulsar-summit.org/event/north-america-2023
> San Francisco
> 
> Best,
> tison.
> 
> [1] https://events.apache.org/event/calendar.html
> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/hwyy82xbrv6qm6dnssc5dmy1f8n4o7dt

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Please add Pulsar Summit to the Events calendar

[tison]

Hi,

Please add Pulsar Summit to the Apache Events calendar[1]. It has
trademarks approval[2].

Pulsar Summit – October 25-27, 2023
https://pulsar-summit.org/event/north-america-2023
San Francisco

Best,
tison.

[1] https://events.apache.org/event/calendar.html
[2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/hwyy82xbrv6qm6dnssc5dmy1f8n4o7dt

Re: Please add Cassandra Summit to the Events calendar

[rbowen]

On Tue, 2023-08-29 at 20:37 +0200, Mick Semb Wever wrote:
> Please add Cassandra Summit to the Apache Events calendar¹. It has
> trademarks approval².  This might be an update, as the dates got
> changed.
> 
> Cassandra Summit – December 12-13, 2023
> https://events.linuxfoundation.org/cassandra-summit/
> San Jose McEnery Convention Center, California

Done. And hoping to be there!

--Rich

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Please add Cassandra Summit to the Events calendar

[Mick Semb Wever]

Please add Cassandra Summit to the Apache Events calendar¹. It has
trademarks approval².  This might be an update, as the dates got
changed.

Cassandra Summit – December 12-13, 2023
https://events.linuxfoundation.org/cassandra-summit/
San Jose McEnery Convention Center, California

¹) https://events.apache.org/event/calendar.html
²) https://lists.apache.org/thread/mhcl2ywc7n1lwq2w01tmfod2tz07lvps

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Re: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and complete

[Rich Bowen]

I've documented the procedure here:  http://www.apache.org/events/README.txt
and would welcome help doing this each week.

On Apr 8, 2017 09:52, "Josef Doppler"  wrote:

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>

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RE: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and complete

[Ross Gardler]

Hi Ricardo,

Please take a look at the document at 
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/tools/help-wanted.md, this will show you 
how to get started. We look forward to your contributions.

Ross

> -Original Message-
> From: Ricardo [mailto:r.jime...@live.com]
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 8:38 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and
> complete
> 
> I would like to help out with the task listed at
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> ed.apache.org%2ftask.html%3f9af91c8b=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> My name is Ricardo. I'm interested in helping out anyway I can. Can I get more
> information about the calendar tasks and management.

RE: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and complete

[Ross Gardler]

Thanks Melissa, Adding April explicitly as her email came from the Help Wanted 
app and I suspect she is not yet subscribed to the mailing list.

April, see Melissa's response below. 

Ross

> -Original Message-
> From: Melissa Warnkin [mailto:missywarn...@yahoo.com.INVALID]
> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 9:32 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and
> complete
> 
> Hi April,
> Thank you for your email.  Please see below and let us know if you have any
> questions.
> Helping out here is easy and is a task that can be dipped into periodically.
> 
> Take a look at
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcomdev1-
> us-
> west.apache.org%2fevents%2f=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.
> com%7cf6f8fd62f8014e01052f08d372a74ad0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7c
> d011db47%7c1=z1KVkJgxH0emaDK7DKptNpe%2fn80a0LuVPOc%2bzbE
> M0bY%3d, this is an application we use to gather information for
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.apac
> he.org%2fevents%2fmeetups.html=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40micros
> oft.com%7cf6f8fd62f8014e01052f08d372a74ad0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2
> d7cd011db47%7c1=wsoRqpgsFVbMBt3CSJWne8EqIUUCItSypohXmvwu
> Dto%3d
> 
> It's an automated process that will result in false positives at times. To 
> remove
> the false positives we can do two things:
> 
> 1) Mark a specific event as "not applicable" - which removes this one event
> 2) Mark an organizing group as "not applicable" - which prevents any future
> events organized by the same group appearing
> 
> To help with this process all we need is people to visit the page 
> periodically and
> click the appropriate link on the right hand side.  The more people we have
> doing this the easier it is for all of us.
> 
> Moving forwards we need to improve the code driving this application. If you'd
> like to work with the code see
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fsvn.apach
> e.org%2frepos%2fasf%2fcomdev%2ftools=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40
> microsoft.com%7cf6f8fd62f8014e01052f08d372a74ad0%7c72f988bf86f141af
> 91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=ctsu%2feOn0BFg73DxfBADvnOMVbUSln5hd
> mipsUWG5i4%3d (hopefully what you need to get started is in readme.md)
> 
> ~Melissa
> 
>   From: April Lane <iamthelightnfi...@gmail.com>
>  To: dev@community.apache.org
>  Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 11:42 AM
>  Subject: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and
> complete
> 
> I would like to help out with the task listed at
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> ed.apache.org%2ftask.html%3f9af91c8b%250A%250A=01%7c01%7cRos
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> 
> 
> 

RE: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and complete

[Ross Gardler]

Thanks Melissa, Adding April explicitly as her email came from the Help Wanted 
app and I suspect she is not yet subscribed to the mailing list.

April, see Melissa's response below. 

Ross

> -Original Message-
> From: Melissa Warnkin [mailto:missywarn...@yahoo.com.INVALID]
> Sent: Monday, May 2, 2016 9:32 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and
> complete
> 
> Hi April,
> Thank you for your email.  Please see below and let us know if you have any
> questions.
> Helping out here is easy and is a task that can be dipped into periodically.
> 
> Take a look at
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcomdev1-
> us-
> west.apache.org%2fevents%2f=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.
> com%7cf6f8fd62f8014e01052f08d372a74ad0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7c
> d011db47%7c1=z1KVkJgxH0emaDK7DKptNpe%2fn80a0LuVPOc%2bzbE
> M0bY%3d, this is an application we use to gather information for
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.apac
> he.org%2fevents%2fmeetups.html=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40micros
> oft.com%7cf6f8fd62f8014e01052f08d372a74ad0%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2
> d7cd011db47%7c1=wsoRqpgsFVbMBt3CSJWne8EqIUUCItSypohXmvwu
> Dto%3d
> 
> It's an automated process that will result in false positives at times. To 
> remove
> the false positives we can do two things:
> 
> 1) Mark a specific event as "not applicable" - which removes this one event
> 2) Mark an organizing group as "not applicable" - which prevents any future
> events organized by the same group appearing
> 
> To help with this process all we need is people to visit the page 
> periodically and
> click the appropriate link on the right hand side.  The more people we have
> doing this the easier it is for all of us.
> 
> Moving forwards we need to improve the code driving this application. If you'd
> like to work with the code see
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fsvn.apach
> e.org%2frepos%2fasf%2fcomdev%2ftools=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40
> microsoft.com%7cf6f8fd62f8014e01052f08d372a74ad0%7c72f988bf86f141af
> 91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=ctsu%2feOn0BFg73DxfBADvnOMVbUSln5hd
> mipsUWG5i4%3d (hopefully what you need to get started is in readme.md)
> 
> ~Melissa
> 
>   From: April Lane <iamthelightnfi...@gmail.com>
>  To: dev@community.apache.org
>  Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 11:42 AM
>  Subject: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and
> complete
> 
> I would like to help out with the task listed at
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fhelpwant
> ed.apache.org%2ftask.html%3f9af91c8b%250A%250A=01%7c01%7cRos
> s.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7cf6f8fd62f8014e01052f08d372a74ad0%7c72f9
> 88bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=5sMgI1YEfayVOwnf8IHBVS4Qv
> vxt4k8dSDsvwXBfffw%3d
> 
> 
> 

Re: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and complete

[Melissa Warnkin]

Hi April,
Thank you for your email.  Please see below and let us know if you have any 
questions.
Helping out here is easy and is a task that can be dipped into periodically.

Take a look at http://comdev1-us-west.apache.org/events/, this is an 
application we use to gather information for 
http://www.apache.org/events/meetups.html

It's an automated process that will result in false positives at times. To 
remove the false positives we can do two things:

1) Mark a specific event as "not applicable" - which removes this one event
2) Mark an organizing group as "not applicable" - which prevents any future 
events organized by the same group appearing

To help with this process all we need is people to visit the page periodically 
and click the appropriate link on the right hand side.  The more people we have 
doing this the easier it is for all of us.

Moving forwards we need to improve the code driving this application. If you'd 
like to work with the code see http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/tools 
(hopefully what you need to get started is in readme.md)

~Melissa

  From: April Lane <iamthelightnfi...@gmail.com>
 To: dev@community.apache.org 
 Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 11:42 AM
 Subject: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and 
complete
   
I would like to help out with the task listed at
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Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and complete

[April Lane]

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RE: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and complete

[Ross Gardler]

Hi Bob,

Helping out here is easy and is a task that can be dipped into periodically.

Take a look at http://comdev1-us-west.apache.org/events/, this is an 
application we use to gather information for 
http://www.apache.org/events/meetups.html

It's an automated process that will result in false positives at times. To 
remove the false positives we can do two things:

1) Mark a specific event as "not applicable" - which removes this one event
2) Mark an organizing group as "not applicable" - which prevents any future 
events organized by the same group appearing

To help with this process all we need is people to visit the page periodically 
and click the appropriate link on the right hand side.  The more people we have 
doing this the easier it is for all of us.

Moving forwards we need to improve the code driving this application. If you'd 
like to work with the code see http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/tools 
(hopefully what you need to get started is in readme.md)

-Original Message-
From: Bob Clingan [mailto:b...@bobclingan.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 11:12 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and 
complete

I would like to help out with the task listed at 
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fhelpwanted.apache.org%2ftask.html%3f9af91c8b=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.com%7c7ca96f4556ba4562d9b908d35fdd2fbd%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1=xVfDvaQ0z6stsAVQLq7RaJaYuLibKjaFLLCbLqiI9Fc%3d


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Help with task: Help ensure our events calendar is up to date and complete

[Bob Clingan]

I would like to help out with the task listed at
https://helpwanted.apache.org/task.html?9af91c8b


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Events Calendar - SCALE

[Ilan Rabinovitch]

Hello,


I am contacting you on behalf of the Southern California Linux Expo.  We
would like to submit our upcoming events for inclusion in your event
calendar (https://community.apache.org/calendars/conferences.html). A 
number of Apache groups will have a presence this year, including BigTop 
who will be hosting a workshop:

https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/14x/apache-bigtop-workshop


Event:  SCaLE 14x - 2016 Southern California Linux Expo
Date:  Jan 21 - 24, 2016
Location: Pasadena Convention Center
URL:  http://www.socallinuxexpo.org
Phone: 877-831-2569x110

Description:
Now celebrating its 14th year, the Southern California Linux Expo SCALE 
14X is the largest Linux and Open Source Software show in North America. 
The four-day event -- from Jan 21-24, 2016, at the Pasadena Convention 
Center -- attracts top speakers and exhibitors from all over North 
America. Sessions and workshops range from beginner tutorials to 
seminars for experienced system administrators or software developers. 
In addition, specialty seminars prior to the weekend are conducted by 
various groups in the Free and Open Source Software community. For more 
information, or to register, visit https://www.socallinuxexpo.org





Best regards,
Ilan Rabinovitch
Conference Chair
Southern California Linux Expo
818-442-1865 Phone
i...@socallinuxexpo.org E-MAIL

Re: Events calendar

[sebb]

On 14 April 2015 at 23:44, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:
 Can we progress with the calendar issue.

 Preferable I would like to get the calendar in people.a.o nuked, and
 secondly tell projects (and them how, with a filter for their project) that
 they can have their events in the google calendar.

It would be easy enough to drop the calendar in people.a.o, but I
think it ought to be replaced with a link to the proper calendar.

 To make things easy, let the projects mail this list, and one with karma
 updates the calendar, using the you must crawl, before you walk
 philosophy

 rgds
 jan I.


 On 10 April 2015 at 23:53, Pierre Smits pierre.sm...@gmail.com wrote:

 Excuse me for contributing...

 Pierre Smits

 *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
 Services  Solutions for Cloud-
 Based Manufacturing, Professional
 Services and Retail  Trade
 http://www.orrtiz.com

 On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
 ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:

  ApacheCon is not owned by the ASF (other than the brand that is). We are
  not talking about ApacheCon, we are talking about a calendar of events.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Pierre Smits [mailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 2:27 PM
  To: dev@community.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Events calendar
 
  The question is surely important, and can't be circumvented for a
  organisation that spends a load of money on furthering the projects and
  their works.
 
  Not only do we need mid and long term plans from every office, but we
 also
  need the supporting and governing processes and procedures written down
 and
  made available to the ASF community. That way we al can see what needs to
  be done when it needs to be done.
 
  For example, recent mails regarding the various activities executed for
  the ACNA 15 event pointed out that things got forgotten (like
 presentation
  templates). For such events we need scripts, and such scripts need to
  evaluated and improved after the event. That way we don't make the
 mistakes
  when doing a new event like we did in the past.
 
  Most importantly, Offices need to take ownership.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Pierre Smits
 
  *ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
  Services  Solutions for Cloud-
  Based Manufacturing, Professional
  Services and Retail  Trade
  http://www.orrtiz.com
 
  On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
  ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
 
   To get people involved we need to provide value. Today, we offer no
  value.
   So, if I may, I would like to answer a slightly different question.
   The one I want to answer is how can we provide value so that PMCs
   will proactively maintain a central events calendar? Here's my
   starting answer, more ideas very welcome...
  
   VP Brand has added a clause to the events policy that requires
   avoidance of event date clashes.
  
   Marketing is ramping up on a quarterly report that, once we are in the
   swing of things, will be broadly distributed (and thus provide
   visibility for events listed in the calendar).
  
   We have a budget for stickers and other such giveaways at community
   events, we won't ship those unless it's on the calendar.
  
   More?
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com]
   Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 2:01 PM
   To: dev
   Subject: Events calendar
  
   Today I found out about yet another Apache event that is almost here
   and I hadn't heard about before.
  
   I also noticed that http://www.apache.org/events/ is ... kinda
   embarrassing.
  
   This, in conjunction with Jan's question a week ago about who managed
   the calendar on people.a.o, which is completely a separate thing from
   the calendar I thought he was talking about - the Google calendar, at
   http://community.apache.org/calendars/conferences.html - makes me
   wonder why this is so hard for us.
  
   So, two questions:
  
   1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to
   consolidate them?
  
   2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated
   calendar, once it exists, so that we don't have all of these
   last-minute event surprises, and, also, so that we can help in
 promoting
  our communities'
   events?
  
   Suggestions welcome.
  
   I, for one, am a fan of nuking every calendar we come across, and
   publishing the above Google Calendar all over the place, and then
   making a google form for people to submit events.
  
   --Rich
  
   --
   Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ -
   @apachecon
  
 

Re: Events calendar

[Rich Bowen]

On 04/10/2015 04:26 PM, jan i wrote:

On 10 April 2015 at 23:09, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:


To get people involved we need to provide value. Today, we offer no value.
So, if I may, I would like to answer a slightly different question. The one
I want to answer is how can we provide value so that PMCs will proactively
maintain a central events calendar? Here's my starting answer, more ideas
very welcome...

VP Brand has added a clause to the events policy that requires avoidance
of event date clashes.

Marketing is ramping up on a quarterly report that, once we are in the
swing of things, will be broadly distributed (and thus provide visibility
for events listed in the calendar).

We have a budget for stickers and other such giveaways at community
events, we won't ship those unless it's on the calendar.



Marketing can announce the events on twitter etc, when they are in the
common calendar, and not only in quarterly reports.



My impression has always been that Marketing isn't going to do messaging 
around project-specific events like this. But we, as individuals, can do 
that. I've been doing some project-specific promotion lately, as folks 
may have noticed. As an individual member.






THE calendar get a link from www.apache.org and thus gets a lot more hits..

It must be easy to add events, no long mail discussions, but a simple web
page and e.g. the acceptance from comDev (similar to moderating a mailing
list).


It is also not just about value, but also about knowingI started in one
calendar where I saw ACEU was missing, then I searched for another event
and came across the other calendar. Our events should not be found by
accident. I believe having ONE calendar that is been given links from top
pages and being actively promoted, is good value for all PMCs, whereas n
calendars are of no value.

rgds
jan I.







More?

-Original Message-
From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 2:01 PM
To: dev
Subject: Events calendar

Today I found out about yet another Apache event that is almost here and I
hadn't heard about before.

I also noticed that http://www.apache.org/events/ is ... kinda
embarrassing.

This, in conjunction with Jan's question a week ago about who managed the
calendar on people.a.o, which is completely a separate thing from the
calendar I thought he was talking about - the Google calendar, at
http://community.apache.org/calendars/conferences.html - makes me wonder
why this is so hard for us.

So, two questions:

1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to consolidate
them?

2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated calendar,
once it exists, so that we don't have all of these last-minute event
surprises, and, also, so that we can help in promoting our communities'
events?

Suggestions welcome.

I, for one, am a fan of nuking every calendar we come across, and
publishing the above Google Calendar all over the place, and then making a
google form for people to submit events.

--Rich

--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ -
@apachecon






--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: Events calendar

[Rich Bowen]

On 04/10/2015 04:09 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:

To get people involved we need to provide value. Today, we offer no value. So, if I may, 
I would like to answer a slightly different question. The one I want to answer is 
how can we provide value so that PMCs will proactively maintain a central events 
calendar? Here's my starting answer, more ideas very welcome...



The obvious thing, to me, is that if you put your events into a calendar 
that I can easily find, I will tweet about those events.




VP Brand has added a clause to the events policy that requires avoidance of 
event date clashes.



Yeah, if we don't know about your event, it's hard to schedule ApacheCon 
to avoid them. And vice versa.




Marketing is ramping up on a quarterly report that, once we are in the swing of 
things, will be broadly distributed (and thus provide visibility for events 
listed in the calendar).

We have a budget for stickers and other such giveaways at community events, we 
won't ship those unless it's on the calendar.

More?

-Original Message-
From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com]
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 2:01 PM
To: dev
Subject: Events calendar

Today I found out about yet another Apache event that is almost here and I 
hadn't heard about before.

I also noticed that http://www.apache.org/events/ is ... kinda embarrassing.

This, in conjunction with Jan's question a week ago about who managed the 
calendar on people.a.o, which is completely a separate thing from the calendar 
I thought he was talking about - the Google calendar, at 
http://community.apache.org/calendars/conferences.html - makes me wonder why 
this is so hard for us.

So, two questions:

1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to consolidate them?

2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated calendar, once 
it exists, so that we don't have all of these last-minute event surprises, and, 
also, so that we can help in promoting our communities' events?

Suggestions welcome.

I, for one, am a fan of nuking every calendar we come across, and publishing 
the above Google Calendar all over the place, and then making a google form for 
people to submit events.

--Rich

--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon




--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Events calendar

[Rich Bowen]

Today I found out about yet another Apache event that is almost here and 
I hadn't heard about before.


I also noticed that http://www.apache.org/events/ is ... kinda embarrassing.

This, in conjunction with Jan's question a week ago about who managed 
the calendar on people.a.o, which is completely a separate thing from 
the calendar I thought he was talking about - the Google calendar, at 
http://community.apache.org/calendars/conferences.html - makes me wonder 
why this is so hard for us.


So, two questions:

1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to consolidate 
them?


2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated 
calendar, once it exists, so that we don't have all of these last-minute 
event surprises, and, also, so that we can help in promoting our 
communities' events?


Suggestions welcome.

I, for one, am a fan of nuking every calendar we come across, and 
publishing the above Google Calendar all over the place, and then making 
a google form for people to submit events.


--Rich

--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

RE: Events calendar

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

To get people involved we need to provide value. Today, we offer no value. So, 
if I may, I would like to answer a slightly different question. The one I want 
to answer is how can we provide value so that PMCs will proactively maintain a 
central events calendar? Here's my starting answer, more ideas very welcome...

VP Brand has added a clause to the events policy that requires avoidance of 
event date clashes.

Marketing is ramping up on a quarterly report that, once we are in the swing of 
things, will be broadly distributed (and thus provide visibility for events 
listed in the calendar).

We have a budget for stickers and other such giveaways at community events, we 
won't ship those unless it's on the calendar.

More?

-Original Message-
From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 2:01 PM
To: dev
Subject: Events calendar

Today I found out about yet another Apache event that is almost here and I 
hadn't heard about before.

I also noticed that http://www.apache.org/events/ is ... kinda embarrassing.

This, in conjunction with Jan's question a week ago about who managed the 
calendar on people.a.o, which is completely a separate thing from the calendar 
I thought he was talking about - the Google calendar, at 
http://community.apache.org/calendars/conferences.html - makes me wonder why 
this is so hard for us.

So, two questions:

1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to consolidate them?

2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated calendar, once 
it exists, so that we don't have all of these last-minute event surprises, and, 
also, so that we can help in promoting our communities' events?

Suggestions welcome.

I, for one, am a fan of nuking every calendar we come across, and publishing 
the above Google Calendar all over the place, and then making a google form for 
people to submit events.

--Rich

--
Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon

Re: Events calendar

[jan i]

On 10 April 2015 at 23:09, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:

 To get people involved we need to provide value. Today, we offer no value.
 So, if I may, I would like to answer a slightly different question. The one
 I want to answer is how can we provide value so that PMCs will proactively
 maintain a central events calendar? Here's my starting answer, more ideas
 very welcome...

 VP Brand has added a clause to the events policy that requires avoidance
 of event date clashes.

 Marketing is ramping up on a quarterly report that, once we are in the
 swing of things, will be broadly distributed (and thus provide visibility
 for events listed in the calendar).

 We have a budget for stickers and other such giveaways at community
 events, we won't ship those unless it's on the calendar.


Marketing can announce the events on twitter etc, when they are in the
common calendar, and not only in quarterly reports.

THE calendar get a link from www.apache.org and thus gets a lot more hits..

It must be easy to add events, no long mail discussions, but a simple web
page and e.g. the acceptance from comDev (similar to moderating a mailing
list).


It is also not just about value, but also about knowingI started in one
calendar where I saw ACEU was missing, then I searched for another event
and came across the other calendar. Our events should not be found by
accident. I believe having ONE calendar that is been given links from top
pages and being actively promoted, is good value for all PMCs, whereas n
calendars are of no value.

rgds
jan I.






 More?

 -Original Message-
 From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com]
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 2:01 PM
 To: dev
 Subject: Events calendar

 Today I found out about yet another Apache event that is almost here and I
 hadn't heard about before.

 I also noticed that http://www.apache.org/events/ is ... kinda
 embarrassing.

 This, in conjunction with Jan's question a week ago about who managed the
 calendar on people.a.o, which is completely a separate thing from the
 calendar I thought he was talking about - the Google calendar, at
 http://community.apache.org/calendars/conferences.html - makes me wonder
 why this is so hard for us.

 So, two questions:

 1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to consolidate
 them?

 2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated calendar,
 once it exists, so that we don't have all of these last-minute event
 surprises, and, also, so that we can help in promoting our communities'
 events?

 Suggestions welcome.

 I, for one, am a fan of nuking every calendar we come across, and
 publishing the above Google Calendar all over the place, and then making a
 google form for people to submit events.

 --Rich

 --
 Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ -
 @apachecon

Re: Events calendar

[Pierre Smits]

The question is surely important, and can't be circumvented for a
organisation that spends a load of money on furthering the projects and
their works.

Not only do we need mid and long term plans from every office, but we also
need the supporting and governing processes and procedures written down and
made available to the ASF community. That way we al can see what needs to
be done when it needs to be done.

For example, recent mails regarding the various activities executed for the
ACNA 15 event pointed out that things got forgotten (like presentation
templates). For such events we need scripts, and such scripts need to
evaluated and improved after the event. That way we don't make the mistakes
when doing a new event like we did in the past.

Most importantly, Offices need to take ownership.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services  Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail  Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) 
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:

 To get people involved we need to provide value. Today, we offer no value.
 So, if I may, I would like to answer a slightly different question. The one
 I want to answer is how can we provide value so that PMCs will proactively
 maintain a central events calendar? Here's my starting answer, more ideas
 very welcome...

 VP Brand has added a clause to the events policy that requires avoidance
 of event date clashes.

 Marketing is ramping up on a quarterly report that, once we are in the
 swing of things, will be broadly distributed (and thus provide visibility
 for events listed in the calendar).

 We have a budget for stickers and other such giveaways at community
 events, we won't ship those unless it's on the calendar.

 More?

 -Original Message-
 From: Rich Bowen [mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com]
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 2:01 PM
 To: dev
 Subject: Events calendar

 Today I found out about yet another Apache event that is almost here and I
 hadn't heard about before.

 I also noticed that http://www.apache.org/events/ is ... kinda
 embarrassing.

 This, in conjunction with Jan's question a week ago about who managed the
 calendar on people.a.o, which is completely a separate thing from the
 calendar I thought he was talking about - the Google calendar, at
 http://community.apache.org/calendars/conferences.html - makes me wonder
 why this is so hard for us.

 So, two questions:

 1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to consolidate
 them?

 2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated calendar,
 once it exists, so that we don't have all of these last-minute event
 surprises, and, also, so that we can help in promoting our communities'
 events?

 Suggestions welcome.

 I, for one, am a fan of nuking every calendar we come across, and
 publishing the above Google Calendar all over the place, and then making a
 google form for people to submit events.

 --Rich

 --
 Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen http://apachecon.com/ -
 @apachecon

Re: Events calendar

[Nick Burch]

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015, Rich Bowen wrote:
1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to consolidate 
them?


I tried to consolodate everything to the official Apache Events calendar 
as maintained in google docs + displayed on the comdev site, and a Lanyrd 
conferene guide which was for wider Apache related events which anyone 
could add to:

http://lanyrd.com/guides/apache-software-and-technologies/

The Lanyrd group did well for a bit, but hasn't seen that much traction 
lately, possibly because it isn't that well advertised. Concom was axed 
before we finished consolodating onto the google calendar + events site, 
which is probably why there are so many odd/other ones still around


2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated calendar, 
once it exists, so that we don't have all of these last-minute event 
surprises, and, also, so that we can help in promoting our communities' 
events?


How about we create a conference committee, and give them the role? ;-)

Seriously though, we probably need to finalise/review the rules on what 
events go where (eg can an event with lots of Apache Projects at it go on 
the main one, or do they have to go elsewhere eg Lanyrd), then zap the 
old other calendars, then write up some more on how to add to the 
calendar(s) we have + how to add them to your site, then publicise.


Adding events for those with karma is easy for both the google calendar 
and lanyrd, what we're lacking is examples of easy ways for people to 
display them on their PMC / other sites. Without people using them, it's 
hard to get people enthusied in updating them, especially without a 
dedicated committee pushing it...


Nick

Re: Events calendar

[jan i]

On 10 April 2015 at 23:26, Nick Burch n...@apache.org wrote:

 On Fri, 10 Apr 2015, Rich Bowen wrote:

 1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to consolidate
 them?


 I tried to consolodate everything to the official Apache Events calendar
 as maintained in google docs + displayed on the comdev site, and a Lanyrd
 conferene guide which was for wider Apache related events which anyone
 could add to:
 http://lanyrd.com/guides/apache-software-and-technologies/

 The Lanyrd group did well for a bit, but hasn't seen that much traction
 lately, possibly because it isn't that well advertised. Concom was axed
 before we finished consolodating onto the google calendar + events site,
 which is probably why there are so many odd/other ones still around

  2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated calendar,
 once it exists, so that we don't have all of these last-minute event
 surprises, and, also, so that we can help in promoting our communities'
 events?


 How about we create a conference committee, and give them the role? ;-)

 Seriously though, we probably need to finalise/review the rules on what
 events go where (eg can an event with lots of Apache Projects at it go on
 the main one, or do they have to go elsewhere eg Lanyrd), then zap the
 old other calendars, then write up some more on how to add to the
 calendar(s) we have + how to add them to your site, then publicise.

I am all for that ALL apache events small and big go into the calendar,
that way it becomes THE place to see what is happening in the apache world.



 Adding events for those with karma is easy for both the google calendar
 and lanyrd, what we're lacking is examples of easy ways for people to
 display them on their PMC / other sites. Without people using them, it's
 hard to get people enthusied in updating them, especially without a
 dedicated committee pushing it...


Google calendar can be very easy embedded on other pages, even with a
filter showing only the project in question. We could use the category
field as project name.

We do have a dedicated project. This is community development, and that is
comDev.

rgds
jan I.



 Nick

Re: Events calendar

[Pierre Smits]

I am not convinced that communication of events (and a calendar is a
communication mechanism) is part of the tasks of the ComDev office. Yes,
the ComDev office can support projects on the howto. But such a mechanism
should be owned by the MarPub office, and they should push.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM http://www.orrtiz.com*
Services  Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail  Trade
http://www.orrtiz.com

On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:34 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 10 April 2015 at 23:26, Nick Burch n...@apache.org wrote:

  On Fri, 10 Apr 2015, Rich Bowen wrote:
 
  1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to consolidate
  them?
 
 
  I tried to consolodate everything to the official Apache Events
 calendar
  as maintained in google docs + displayed on the comdev site, and a Lanyrd
  conferene guide which was for wider Apache related events which anyone
  could add to:
  http://lanyrd.com/guides/apache-software-and-technologies/
 
  The Lanyrd group did well for a bit, but hasn't seen that much traction
  lately, possibly because it isn't that well advertised. Concom was axed
  before we finished consolodating onto the google calendar + events site,
  which is probably why there are so many odd/other ones still around
 
   2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated
 calendar,
  once it exists, so that we don't have all of these last-minute event
  surprises, and, also, so that we can help in promoting our communities'
  events?
 
 
  How about we create a conference committee, and give them the role? ;-)
 
  Seriously though, we probably need to finalise/review the rules on what
  events go where (eg can an event with lots of Apache Projects at it go on
  the main one, or do they have to go elsewhere eg Lanyrd), then zap the
  old other calendars, then write up some more on how to add to the
  calendar(s) we have + how to add them to your site, then publicise.
 
 I am all for that ALL apache events small and big go into the calendar,
 that way it becomes THE place to see what is happening in the apache world.


 
  Adding events for those with karma is easy for both the google calendar
  and lanyrd, what we're lacking is examples of easy ways for people to
  display them on their PMC / other sites. Without people using them, it's
  hard to get people enthusied in updating them, especially without a
  dedicated committee pushing it...
 

 Google calendar can be very easy embedded on other pages, even with a
 filter showing only the project in question. We could use the category
 field as project name.

 We do have a dedicated project. This is community development, and that is
 comDev.

 rgds
 jan I.


 
  Nick
 

RE: Events calendar

[Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)]

The events calendar *is* owned by ComDev.  How far ComDev volunteers want to go 
in driving its value is potentially up for debate, but who owns the calendar is 
not.

As one volunteer, I want to work with ComDev volunteers to make better use of 
the calendar.

Ross

-Original Message-
From: Pierre Smits [mailto:pierre.sm...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 2:40 PM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Events calendar

I am not convinced that communication of events (and a calendar is a 
communication mechanism) is part of the tasks of the ComDev office. Yes, the 
ComDev office can support projects on the howto. But such a mechanism should be 
owned by the MarPub office, and they should push.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

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On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 11:34 PM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote:

 On 10 April 2015 at 23:26, Nick Burch n...@apache.org wrote:

  On Fri, 10 Apr 2015, Rich Bowen wrote:
 
  1) What other calendars are out there, and what can we do to 
  consolidate them?
 
 
  I tried to consolodate everything to the official Apache Events
 calendar
  as maintained in google docs + displayed on the comdev site, and a 
  Lanyrd conferene guide which was for wider Apache related events 
  which anyone could add to:
  http://lanyrd.com/guides/apache-software-and-technologies/
 
  The Lanyrd group did well for a bit, but hasn't seen that much 
  traction lately, possibly because it isn't that well advertised. 
  Concom was axed before we finished consolodating onto the google 
  calendar + events site, which is probably why there are so many 
  odd/other ones still around
 
   2) How can we get PMCs to put their events in that consolidated
 calendar,
  once it exists, so that we don't have all of these last-minute 
  event surprises, and, also, so that we can help in promoting our 
  communities'
  events?
 
 
  How about we create a conference committee, and give them the role? 
  ;-)
 
  Seriously though, we probably need to finalise/review the rules on 
  what events go where (eg can an event with lots of Apache Projects 
  at it go on the main one, or do they have to go elsewhere eg 
  Lanyrd), then zap the old other calendars, then write up some more 
  on how to add to the
  calendar(s) we have + how to add them to your site, then publicise.
 
 I am all for that ALL apache events small and big go into the 
 calendar, that way it becomes THE place to see what is happening in the 
 apache world.


 
  Adding events for those with karma is easy for both the google 
  calendar and lanyrd, what we're lacking is examples of easy ways for 
  people to display them on their PMC / other sites. Without people 
  using them, it's hard to get people enthusied in updating them, 
  especially without a dedicated committee pushing it...
 

 Google calendar can be very easy embedded on other pages, even with a 
 filter showing only the project in question. We could use the category 
 field as project name.

 We do have a dedicated project. This is community development, and 
 that is comDev.

 rgds
 jan I.


 
  Nick