Re: New Website Work

[Avi Kessner]

Hi,
Its been a while since I used flex for mobile, and I'm trying to make
some changes to an old project. Anyway, I noticed that one of the
links on the main website no longer works.  Its for an old 2011 Adobe
MAX video named "Practical Mobile Development with Flex and Adobe AIR"

I'm also having trouble finding recent information about AIR 20 and
how to get it work with IntelliJ and Apache Flex or AIR SDK.
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On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 4:14 PM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski
 wrote:
> The process of generating a .AIR (or .AIRI) is actually generating a .SWF
> with the AIR internals linked, then passing it to the AIR packager (which
> takes that SWF and puts its packaging around it.
>
> If you've ever broken apart a .apk, you will see a bunch of runtimes and a
> huge chunk of code that is a straight SWF.
>
> I'm playing with semantics on that a bit -- because the end user won't ever
> really see the SWF file as the intermediate.  Do you have a better way to
> word that?
>
> I'll fix the project history page.  That was imported straight from our
> existing site (it was one page that had some pretty inconstant MDTEXT that
> I was testing my import script on).
>
> -Nick
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> > You can see a preview of it here :  http://flex.suroot.com
>>
>> Looking good.
>>
>> A couple suggestions:
>> - list the dates in reverse order on the project history page
>> - I thought the facebook, twitter and linked in buttons were for Apache
>> (given there proximity to the Apache logo) rather than Flex. Perhaps put
>> them under the text below them?
>>
>> While I like this:
>> "The Open-Source ActionScript Framework that creates web, mobile, desktop
>> applications from a single code-base as either JavaScript or SWF.”
>>
>> id “or SWF” actually correct when referring to AIR applications?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>>
>>

Re: International English

[Avi Kessner]

I don't have an opinion on this general topic one way or another (I prefer
using British English spelling, but I was raised on American English)

However regarding class names...  Class names are class names.  If Adobe
for the past 10-15 years had a class named BakgroundColorz, BakgroundImagez
and BakspaceControllerz,  I would not advocate changing the class name just
so its is spelled correctly after so many years of it being another way.  I
don't see the point in that.  Class names are class names, they are not
words which require correct spelling.  Though they do require consistent
spelling and usage.

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On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:



 On 11/21/14, 11:53 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
  IMO, we should not be trying to decide between US and Int’l English.
 
 And nor should we be using US English for an international audience given
 who are the majority of our users.

 If you agree that we should use backgroundColor, color, and ColorPicker,
 doesn’t that count as US English?

 IMO, we should not be changing US English words to Int’l English words.
 Let’s just find words that work for both, and if we can’t, maybe use both
 terms.  But I think “color” should stay as “color”.

 So far nobody has stepped up to support your idea of changing US English
 words to Intl English so until that happens I’m not sure it is worth
 continuing the debate.  I’d say that the community’s energy is better
 spent on localizing.

 
  For example, I don’t know if our documentation actually contains the
  phrase “your email address is missing a period”,
 
 It's doesn't but our resource files did, and that was handled by the
 locales, I don't think we need to go than the path of making different
 versions of the release notes / readme however. The differences are
 reasonable minor.

 Hold on a second. Are we debating a theoretical?  Can you supply 3
 examples of words that you want changed?

 
  Before we go off spending energy rewriting the doc, I would like to see
  evidence that folks are finding it confusing and that some change is
 going
  to make a difference.  I don’t recall very many JIRA issues about
  confusing documentation or threads on the mailing list.
 
 Over the years I've had numerous people complained to me about this, but
 them I'm based outside the US and the issue is a lot more visible there.

 Get them to complain on the list or in JIRA so we can try to find words
 that are “neutral”.

 
   And thus, I would not be in favor of our default documentation saying
 things like “Use
  the ColorPicker to select a colour”.
 
 I don't see any problem with that, it's actually correct.

 It’s not correct in the US.  Again, let’s find a way to localize our
 documentation so we don’t have to choose one over the other.  In the
 bigger picture we want to localize to non-English languages as well.

 
  We’ve localized the Installer
 
 Well some of it. The ant for air component isn't localise, so you get a
 mix of local language and US english in the install log.

 Actually, it looks to me that ant_on_air does support locales.  You
 checked in the en_AU file into Git.   I hadn’t realized it until now, but
 the Installer isn’t linking in those files.

 
  Do we know if any other Apache projects localize all of their content?
 
 A lot do - Open Office be probably the best example, but it's audience is
 different to ours.

 Are you willing to do the homework on how these other projects do their
 localization and whether we can leverage that somehow?

 -Alex

Re: Why I love Maven

[Avi Kessner]

I agree on all points :)
On Nov 14, 2014 11:50 AM, Christofer Dutz christofer.d...@c-ware.de
wrote:

 Hi,


 I just thought I would write down the reasons for me putting that much
 effort in adding Maven support to Flex. I know that currently most people
 will be using Ant builds or FlashBuilder builds. Nevertheless I think Maven
 is essential.


 1. For the last 4 years I have been working as a consultant for helping
 big companies transition from Ant to Maven. No new project being setup (at
 least none I have come across) is setup using Ant nowdays in the Enterprise
 sector. Not being able to build with Maven would be a showstopper for many
 customers. I know that currently I'm doing no flex at all, but I am hoping
 on a second renaissance of flex as we provide FlexJS for the masses.


 2. In Ant you describe step by step how you want to do things. This
 results in a large chain of commands which greatly differs form project to
 project. I have to admit I have not come across two projects in the Flex
 ecosystem built with Ant, which handle the downloading of dependencies the
 same way. If I wanted to add the flex-tool-api.jar for example I had to
 reverse-engineer every projects build in order to find out where to put
 stuff (and I have to admit I'm not 100% sure if I did it right ... it just
 works now). This is one major disadvantage of Ant for me. If you enter a
 project you have to dig hard to understand each build.


 3. Cause Ant is so flexible, you start doing messy things: When trying to
 create a Maven build for Falcon for example I noticed some classes have to
 be compiled in order to be run a few steps later in order to generate code
 that is then used in a second compile run which then compiles all. Mabe
 it's just my esthetic mindset that is sort of disgusted by stuff like that.
 In maven you would have split up the project into 2 separate modules ...
 the generator and the project and all would be clean.


 4. Being able to do everything makes people start doing everything. If
 it's good or bad. Ant is a great tool in the hands of an experienced
 software engineer, but is a weapon of mass destruction in the hands of a
 sloppy one. Unfortunately the world is full of sloppy ones ;-)


 5. In an Ant build you usually download resources from remote servers.
 Assuming the possibility for a server to be offline with 5% chance (not
 only the server inavalability is a threat but changes to the server or new
 versions can cause failures) ... if you have 10 different servers you rely
 on the chance of a successful build sinks to about 60%. Actually we can see
 one example nicely with our installer. Adobe changes something on their
 servers and BAM! our installer stops working and has to be adjusted.


 Enough about the problems I see with Ant let's come to why Maven is great
 ;-)


 1. When creating Maven a lot of people with a lot of experience came
 together and sort of developed a recipe for building projects. They came up
 with a list of phases every project goes through (or can go through). In
 maven you select a packaging in your pom.xml for your project and this
 loads a sort of template that tells maven: when doing a jar build, in
 phase compile run the plugin goal compile of the maven-compile-plugin
 with the sources in src/main/java ... in phase test-compile, run
 compile of the maven-compile-plugin with the sources in
 src/test/java. So you could build a jar with only 6 lines of pom.xml if
 you want to use the default, but you can add other plugins to your build,
 re-configure the default ones and adjust the build to your needs. The only
 thing you can't change are the phases the build runs through. Things you
 have to do in every project and over and over again are usually already
 part of Maven (dependency resolution for example) or are available in
 default plugins. If you need something that doesn't exist, simply write
 your own plugin and use that.


 2. The inflexibility of the build itself forces the developers to build
 each build according to the maven rules. Even if this might sound as a bad
 thing, it's actually a good thing. As anyone can enter an existing problem
 and understand how things work, because they all follow the same rules. For
 me working on BlazeDS was easy for example, cause I could concentrate on
 getting the Testsuite running and could ignore having to learn how the
 build works.


 3. Maven solves the problem of having to communicate with other servers by
 the concept of repositories with a fixed and standardized structure. There
 is one big central repository serving most of the artifacts you will need,
 so the chance of a successful build is far greater than by communicating
 with different servers of different projects. As companies would never rely
 with their life on the availability of one system that's not managed by
 themselves Maven allows running own Maven repositories which are usually
 configured to cache and act as a proxy to the other systems. 

Re: Flash freeze for 60 seconds in Chrome

[Avi Kessner]

For my day to day browsing, I try to use the debug player in chrome,
because I find it's performance is much better.  There seems to be some
restrictions with the Pepper Flash api on what resources it can access vs
NPAPI.  It's worth the time to isolate if it's a flash player version
problem or a code problem on your side.

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On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:50 AM, piotrz piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Guys,

 I am working on some Adobe Flex (v. 4.5.0) application (it using a lot of
 javascript also through ExternalInterface) and from some time we are
 noticing freeze of these application for 60 seconds in Google Chrome with
 default Flash Player plugin.

 I spend some time to optimize some logic in the application, but it didn't
 help.

 I'm wondering whether this could be problem with default Chrome flash
 player.

 If you guys had any similar problems - some information on that would be
 precious.

 Piotr






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Re: Flash freeze for 60 seconds in Chrome

[Avi Kessner]

If it happens in one player but not the other it's a player problem :)
On Sep 10, 2014 1:11 PM, piotrz piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com wrote:

 @João you mean just use regular flash player ? - This doesn't occur so far
 in
 the regular flash player.

 @Avi that's why I wrote on the dev list, because from that point where I'm
 now I'm still not sure whether this is Flash Player problem.

 Piotr



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Re: OSMF bugs

[Avi Kessner]

I've always wanted to see OSMF tied more directly into flex as a component.

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On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Peter Ginneberge p.ginnebe...@gmail.com
wrote:

 +1


 On 27/08/2014 6:40, aYo ~ wrote:

 Oh I definitely think it's something to have

 aYo
 www.ayobinitie.com
 mrbinitie.blogspot.com
 On Aug 27, 2014 5:01 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:

  Don't know anything about OSMF.  Would we want it, or would it be a
 separate Apache project.  Seems like it has its own community already?

 I'll try to figure out who is in charge at Adobe.

 -Alex

 On 8/26/14 7:42 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:

  Hi,

 I notice that recent bugs in Adobe bug base on OSMF have been closed
 with
 NotEnoughTime as the reason. Does any one know if Adobe has considered
 donating the framework to Apache and f not could we make that happen?

 Thanks,
 Justin

Re: [POLL] Accept Radii8 Code Donation

[Avi Kessner]

Sounds like something we could really use.
On Jul 17, 2014 7:49 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:

 Hi Folks,

 Judah Frangipane (a long time Flex user) has been busy helping Harbs with
 TLF Tables, but has also developed a Flex=oriented IDE called Radii8.  The
 GitHub project is here: https://github.com/monkeypunch3/Radii8


 Judah is proposing to donate Radii8 to Apache Flex.

 Here's a quote from Judah about Radii8:

 What my main focus has been is to be able to design something that
 then generates a web site or an application with a lot of hooks and tools
 to do our job (web, mobile and desktop). Why not use Photoshop or Ai to
 accomplish that? I could! That will work for some projects but I'm trying
 to support the full Flex framework. And there's projects I'd like to do
 that would require it's own environment. Also, code editing or text editing
 might better be handled in things like FDT, FB, or IntelliJ.

 Please reply with objections (or affirmations).  We'll close the poll
 after 72 hours or so.

 Thanks,
 -Alex

Re: [Rumor]Adobe will announce something big about Flash Pro on 2014-06-18

[Avi Kessner]

Well they surprised me. I thought they were going to announce that they
were canceling Flash pro all together. They don't even have a session on
anything flash related at Adobe Max.

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On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Tom Chiverton t...@extravision.com wrote:

 On 11/06/14 09:25, Martin Miko wrote:

 et al. environment. And of course, Adobe will dump all flash stuff or at
 least make it niche in the process; no more ways to milk the
 devs/consumers
 - does not make business sense to them. These are my pessimistic two
 cents.

 This should come as no surprise. Adobe has been moving to JS and away from
 Flash for years.
 You've been able to convert simple .fla to JS on canvas for a few years
 now.

 Tom

Re: How to pronounce?

[Avi Kessner]

If you pronounce it any other way, I will cry bitter tears.

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On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Christofer Dutz
christofer.d...@c-ware.dewrote:

 Hi,



 I had a demo rehersal of my speach back here at my current company.



 Here there were some quesions on pronounciation of SWC and SWF ...

 I used to pronounce them SWIK and SWIF ... is that the officially correct
 form?



 Chris

Re: ApacheCon Slides

[Avi Kessner]

I would like to see FlexJS advertised more as a way to expand Flex, rather
than to replace ActionScript or Flash.

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On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:

 Ok, I will remove the Flash-based solutions no longer desirable

 Anybody besides Maurice think I need to change or remove the Flex without
 Flash?

 -Alex

 On 3/24/14 11:52 PM, Deepak MS megharajdee...@gmail.com wrote:

 I looked into this slide:
 Why FlexJS?
 
 Adobe Flash Player used to be in every browser
 Adobe AIR used to run on most computers
 Executives no longer carry Flash-capable devices
 AIR apps require installation and upgrades
 AIR apps have some fidelity issues
 Flash-based solutions no longer desirable
 Large MXML and ActionScript code bases
 
 I honestly felt that it's depicting flex\flash in a negative way.
 
 Subject says 'Why FlexJS?', but instead it talks 'Why we shouldn't use
 flex\flash'. Flex is so popular because the way it is(running on flash
 player with super rich UI). Only problem is it cannot run on mobile
 devices
 on browser because of flash player limitation. And this is where FlexJS
 comes into picture. And I feel we need to portray FlexJS as a powerful
 alternative for running flex based apps on mobile browsers.
 
 I don't think FlexJS would give exact same output as flash player. And
 hence I would strongly encourage my customers to use our flex applications
 on desktops\laptops and I would give a alternative app(compiled with
 FlexJS) for their mobile browsers, which would be light weight.
 
 I am assuming that FlexJS would be used to convert MXML\ActionScript code.
 And if we say 'Flash based solutions no longer desirable' and if people
 stop creating flex applications, then the whole purpose of FlexJS would
 get
 defeated, I reckon.
 
 That was my perspective. I don't know, all those pointers may sound
 correct
 for some too. May be it all depends on how each individual would take it
 :)
 
 Agree with Om regarding a mention of new features\enhancements\skinning.
 
 
 
 
 
 On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:57 AM, Justin Mclean
 jus...@classsoftware.comwrote:
 
  Hi,
 
   2.  The numbers on slide 32 is a outdated. We have more than 40,000
   installs of the Flex SDK since we started keeping track.
 
  BTW where do you get the 40,000 number from. I can only see 30,000 in
 the
  google stats. That only include 4.9 and up are you including 4.8 in that
  and if so how did we measure that it got 10,000 downloads?
 
  Thanks,
  Justin

Re: Flex on Windows 8

[Avi Kessner]

I bought an acer windows tablet, specifically because I'm able to play
facebook flash games on it.

However, the windows mobile phone, can not run AIR or Flash.

It's not really accurate to say that the Windows Tablet is running Flash,
but more that the windows Tablets are able to run Dekstop.

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On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Christofer Dutz
christofer.d...@c-ware.dewrote:

 So would you say it's safe to Claim that Flex runs on Windows Platforms
 (Desktop, Tablet  Mobile) or could some smart-ass-listeners rip me to
 pieces at the ApacheCon?

 Chris

 
 Von: f...@dfguy.us f...@dfguy.us
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. März 2014 12:58
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: Flex on Windows 8

 So windows 8 tablets that have desktop mode can essentially run the full
 flash player and AIR. No wimpy mobile OS and junk mobile browser. So full
 hardware acceleration in flash player and no strange mobile version of
 Flash player etc.

 The devices are also getting fast enough now that I don't think
 performance is a problem. My daughter was playing a flex based math game
 full of animations on a lenovo think pad tablet the other day without
 issues at all.

 David



 -Original Message-
 From: Christofer Dutz christofer.d...@c-ware.de
 To: dev@flex.apache.org dev@flex.apache.org
 Sent: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 6:08 AM
 Subject: Flex on Windows 8

 Hi,



 I have to admit that currently I'm a Little confused about Flash and
 Windows 8 ... what is the current Status here?

 As far as I could Google, a Flashplayer is available for Windows 8. Is
 this still correct? Then also the Captive Runtime should be available ...

 I thought (sperdupercool) thing with Windows 8 is that you have the same
 platform from Mobile to Desktop ... so is is possible to use Flash on
 Windows 8 Mobile Phones and Tablets?



 Chris

Re: Flex on Windows 8

[Avi Kessner]

That's my understanding. Yes.

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On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Christofer Dutz
christofer.d...@c-ware.dewrote:

 Ok so it doesn't seem to be a Thing of the Operating System itself, but if
 it Comes with a full Desktop or if it's the small, stripped off Version.
 Desktop can do Flash, stripped off (Some Tablets and all Mobile Phones)
 Version can't?

 Chris
 
 Von: Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. März 2014 13:29
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: Flex on Windows 8

 I bought an acer windows tablet, specifically because I'm able to play
 facebook flash games on it.

 However, the windows mobile phone, can not run AIR or Flash.

 It's not really accurate to say that the Windows Tablet is running Flash,
 but more that the windows Tablets are able to run Dekstop.

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 On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Christofer Dutz
 christofer.d...@c-ware.dewrote:

  So would you say it's safe to Claim that Flex runs on Windows Platforms
  (Desktop, Tablet  Mobile) or could some smart-ass-listeners rip me to
  pieces at the ApacheCon?
 
  Chris
 
  
  Von: f...@dfguy.us f...@dfguy.us
  Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. März 2014 12:58
  An: dev@flex.apache.org
  Betreff: Re: Flex on Windows 8
 
  So windows 8 tablets that have desktop mode can essentially run the full
  flash player and AIR. No wimpy mobile OS and junk mobile browser. So full
  hardware acceleration in flash player and no strange mobile version of
  Flash player etc.
 
  The devices are also getting fast enough now that I don't think
  performance is a problem. My daughter was playing a flex based math game
  full of animations on a lenovo think pad tablet the other day without
  issues at all.
 
  David
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Christofer Dutz christofer.d...@c-ware.de
  To: dev@flex.apache.org dev@flex.apache.org
  Sent: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 6:08 AM
  Subject: Flex on Windows 8
 
  Hi,
 
 
 
  I have to admit that currently I'm a Little confused about Flash and
  Windows 8 ... what is the current Status here?
 
  As far as I could Google, a Flashplayer is available for Windows 8. Is
  this still correct? Then also the Captive Runtime should be available ...
 
  I thought (sperdupercool) thing with Windows 8 is that you have the same
  platform from Mobile to Desktop ... so is is possible to use Flash on
  Windows 8 Mobile Phones and Tablets?
 
 
 
  Chris
 
 
 

Re: Flex on Windows 8

[Avi Kessner]

Correction, there are two OSes.  Windows 8 pro, and Windows 8 RT.  RT is
the mobile version only And has no desktop mode.  Pro can do desktop.

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On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's my understanding. Yes.

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 On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Christofer Dutz 
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:

 Ok so it doesn't seem to be a Thing of the Operating System itself, but
 if it Comes with a full Desktop or if it's the small, stripped off
 Version. Desktop can do Flash, stripped off (Some Tablets and all Mobile
 Phones) Version can't?

 Chris
 
 Von: Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. März 2014 13:29
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: Flex on Windows 8

 I bought an acer windows tablet, specifically because I'm able to play
 facebook flash games on it.

 However, the windows mobile phone, can not run AIR or Flash.

 It's not really accurate to say that the Windows Tablet is running
 Flash,
 but more that the windows Tablets are able to run Dekstop.

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 and the number 47


 On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Christofer Dutz
 christofer.d...@c-ware.dewrote:

  So would you say it's safe to Claim that Flex runs on Windows Platforms
  (Desktop, Tablet  Mobile) or could some smart-ass-listeners rip me to
  pieces at the ApacheCon?
 
  Chris
 
  
  Von: f...@dfguy.us f...@dfguy.us
  Gesendet: Dienstag, 25. März 2014 12:58
  An: dev@flex.apache.org
  Betreff: Re: Flex on Windows 8
 
  So windows 8 tablets that have desktop mode can essentially run the full
  flash player and AIR. No wimpy mobile OS and junk mobile browser. So
 full
  hardware acceleration in flash player and no strange mobile version of
  Flash player etc.
 
  The devices are also getting fast enough now that I don't think
  performance is a problem. My daughter was playing a flex based math game
  full of animations on a lenovo think pad tablet the other day without
  issues at all.
 
  David
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Christofer Dutz christofer.d...@c-ware.de
  To: dev@flex.apache.org dev@flex.apache.org
  Sent: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 6:08 AM
  Subject: Flex on Windows 8
 
  Hi,
 
 
 
  I have to admit that currently I'm a Little confused about Flash and
  Windows 8 ... what is the current Status here?
 
  As far as I could Google, a Flashplayer is available for Windows 8. Is
  this still correct? Then also the Captive Runtime should be available
 ...
 
  I thought (sperdupercool) thing with Windows 8 is that you have the same
  platform from Mobile to Desktop ... so is is possible to use Flash on
  Windows 8 Mobile Phones and Tablets?
 
 
 
  Chris
 
 
 

Re: Add CONTRIBUTING file to projects

[Avi Kessner]

Is editing the wiki really part of the work flow already?  Seems to me like
developers would be more likely to keep the file up to date by having it in
git. But I could be mistaken about that.

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On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Kessler CTR Mark J 
mark.kessler@usmc.mil wrote:

 It sounds like a good idea.  We could probably keep ours shorter and have
 a link to our wiki.  Might be easier to keep it up to date.

 -Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: Justin Mclean [mailto:jus...@classsoftware.com]
 Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:25 PM
 To: flex-...@apache.org
 Subject: Add CONTRIBUTING file to projects

 Hi,

 I was looking at another Apache project and notice that had a
 CONTRIBUTING file [1] in there source tree/release on how to contribute
 to the project.

 Sounds like a good idea to me.

 Justin

 1.
 https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/git/ci/asf_release_1.1.0/tree/CONTRIBUTING

Re: Add CONTRIBUTING file to projects

[Avi Kessner]

Apache Flex please open a JIRA ticket and attach the code to it.
An example JIRA where this has been done would be helpful.

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On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.comwrote:

 Hi,

 Work in progress, feedback welcome and will check in soon so people can
 update.


 Apache Flex (Flex)
 ==

 Apache Flex is an application framework for easily building Flash-based
 applications for mobile devices, the browser and desktop.

 For detailed information about Apache Flex please visit:
 http://flex.apache.org/


 Contributing
 

 Apache Flex is for the community and we would like to see more
 community involvement.

 The community can help the Apache Flex project by helping out on the
 mailing list, reporting and fixing bugs, testing, providing code
 and new components and other ways. All contributions are welcome.

 Once involved in the project for a while you may be invited to become a
 committer by the Apache Flex PMC.

 For more details information please visit:
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Helping+Out

 Mailing Lists
 =

 The two main mailing list are the user list for discussing how to
 code in
 Flex and any issues you run into and the dev list for discussing
 ongoing
 development of the SDK.

 You can subscribe to the mailing lists by sending an email to:
 users-subscr...@flex.apache.org
 dev-subscr...@flex.apache.org

 Note that both mailing lists have are mid-high volume lists.

 For those who prefer forums:
 http://s.apache.org/flex-users-forum
 http://s.apache.org/flex-dev-forum

 Reporting Bugs
 ==

 The bug base for Apache Flex can be found here:
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX

 You need to set up a JIRA account to submit a bug report but can browse
 and search the bug base without an account.

 When reporting an issue the follow information is helpful:
 - OS, browser and Flash Player version or AIR version
 - Screen shots
 - Small sample application showing the issue
 - Steps on how to reproduce the issue

 It may be you bug you've found has already been reported, please
 try searching JIRA for the same bug before reporting a new bug.

 Getting the code
 

 The Apache FLex SDK code is stored in a git repository.

 To check out:
 git clone https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/flex-sdk.git sdk
 cd sdk
 git checkout develop

 You will also need:
 git clone https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/flex-tlf.git tlf

 See the RELEASE_NOTE for how to set up and build the SDK.

 You can also see a GitHub mirror here:
 https://github.com/apache/flex-sdk

 Contributing Code
 =

 If you have a bug fix, new componont or other code you which to give to
 Apache Flex please open a JIRA ticket and attach the code to it.

 A committer will take a look, review and test it and help you get the
 code
 into the SDK.

 If the code is a significant size we may ask you to sign an license
 agreement (ICLA) or software grant.


 Thanks for using Apache Flex.  Enjoy!

 The Apache Flex Project
 http://flex.apache.org

 Thanks,
 Justin

Re: Draft email to committers

[Avi Kessner]

Good question,  I'm not sure exactly.
Part of it is getting the right version, part of it is knowing how to make
sure you didn't embarrass yourself with the fix. Knowing what counts as a
fix. Other vague uncertainties.

If there was a way to pull, and then just commit with a message about which
jira it was connected to,and then the jira created a link to the code with
a status to review,  I would feel much more comfortable.
On Mar 16, 2014 10:18 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:

 Hi,

  As a lurker, I will just say that it's still rather scary to make an
  official JIRA, or patch, or whatever the process is.
 What's scary about it you just need to attach a fix to a JIRA. Hopefully
 it will be reviewed and added to the SKD by a committer will and if all
 test pass it will show up in teh next release.

  The bureaucracy itself is rather scary to be honest.
 For submitting patches or other processes?

 Thanks,
 Justin

Re: Draft email to committers

[Avi Kessner]

Is a 'fix' an attached file or a change in git?

If those git hooks are up and running that would be great to know.  This
should probably be continued in another thread.
On Mar 17, 2014 9:02 AM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:

 Hi,

  Part of it is getting the right version, part of it is knowing how to
 make
  sure you didn't embarrass yourself with the fix.
 Any fix is just a revert away - that's the great thing about version.
  I've made plenty of mistakes so I wouldn't be concerned  about breaking
 stuff :-)

  Knowing what counts as a fix. Other vague uncertainties.
 If you supply a fix that isn;t perfect that's also good and other people
 get to see it and hopefully improve on it. I noticed Maurice correct some
 spelling issues and Americanised my spelling  on a patch I added a while
 back today.

  If there was a way to pull
 We can match patches from pull requests easily enough. There is some new
 github integration released by infra a few months back but I've not had a
 chance to look at it and we've had very few pull requests.

  and then just commit with a message about which jira it was connected to
 JIRA smart and will pick up if you mention a bug number in a git check in.
 I think with the new integration it can do the same with pull requests.

 Thanks,
 Justin

Re: Draft email to committers

[Avi Kessner]

As a lurker, I will just say that it's still rather scary to make an
official JIRA, or patch, or whatever the process is. The bureaucracy itself
is rather scary to be honest.

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On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.comwrote:

 On 3/15/2014 9:13 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:

 What changes do you think are required for it to sent from the PMC?
 Thanks, Justin


  I do not think the PMC--as a group--should be sending out emails like the
 one you posted.


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Re: Some 4.12 stats

[Avi Kessner]

Nice to see Tel Aviv in the top 10 list :)

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On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 8:50 AM, piotr.zarzycki
piotrzarzyck...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi

 Nice DarkStone! It's working! :)

 I did same. I wrote on couple of polish forums. It looks like we are having
 bigger Flex community than I thought in Poland.:)

 Piotr



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 Flex/Air developer.
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Flex 4 features that were lost in Spark.

[Avi Kessner]

I've been meaning to ask this question for a long time, but I didn't have
any concrete examples.
Do we have a sub project devoted to features that existed in flex 4 mx but
were lost in Spark?

For example, a simple feature here, with editable List item renderers.

http://dgrigg.com/blog/2010/06/25/editable-itemrenderer-for-flex-4-spark-list/

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Re: Flex 4 features that were lost in Spark.

[Avi Kessner]

So it's just a case by case basis?  If we wanted to advertise the retro
improvements, somebody would have to do their own compilation?

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On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.comwrote:

 Hi,

  Do we have a sub project devoted to features that existed in flex 4 mx
 but
  were lost in Spark?
 If you need it add a patch :-) But yes there have been a couple of things
 added that were in mx but missing in spark.

 Thanks,
 Justin

AutoComplete Grid Item Editor

[Avi Kessner]

Does Apache Flex already have an grid item editor with autocomplete
functionality in spark, or does one need to be created?

I'm asking because there are some sites online, that make it sound like it
should be in the framework, but I can't find it.  Thanks.

i.e this:
https://code.google.com/p/sparkextensions/source/browse/trunk/extensions/components/AutoComplete.as?r=3


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Re: AutoComplete Grid Item Editor

[Avi Kessner]

Thanks, I just finished watching your kick starter podcast, it's a shame it
didn't work out.
Trying to get them to work in a spark datagrid has turned out to be more
effort than I would have thought.

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On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.comwrote:


  I'm not aware of any AutoComplete component donations to Apache Flex.  I
 selfishly like the one I built ( http://www.flextras.com/?
 event=ProductHomeproductID=19 ) and I've heard a lot of good things
 about Hillel Coren's AutoComplete ( hillelcoren.com/flex-autocomplete/).


 On 2/18/2014 3:31 AM, Avi Kessner wrote:

 Does Apache Flex already have an grid item editor with autocomplete
 functionality in spark, or does one need to be created?

 I'm asking because there are some sites online, that make it sound like it
 should be in the framework, but I can't find it.  Thanks.

 i.e this:
 https://code.google.com/p/sparkextensions/source/browse/
 trunk/extensions/components/AutoComplete.as?r=3


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Re: Made In Flex Community comes back renewed!

[Avi Kessner]

If you have the man power,  multiple language sections would be great,  but
don't spread yourself thin.
On Feb 17, 2014 5:57 PM, Carlos Rovira carlosrov...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi all!,

 I'd want to announce the rebirth of Made In Flex hispanic community
 focused on Apache Flex:

 http://www.madeinflex.com

 Made In Flex is a community created in 2006 (Flex 2 times) and has near
 1000 users on the mailing list and over 200 on the old website. During the
 past year the community has been dormant.

 In recent weeks, some folks have been busy renovating the website,
 providing it with options of community and social network. So that we can
 share code, swf, and anything else needed. I encourage you to register in
 the web.

 We also reactivated the Twitter account ( http://twitter.com/madeinflex )
 and created the Google+ page ( http://plus.google.com/+MadeinflexCom).

 I wanted to expose it here to inform all Flex developers who wants a place
 to find spanish resources and people on the Apache Flex ecosystem and may
 also contribute.

 Also I want to invite anyone here in this list who wants to support this
 effort to register on the web and share.

 One of the tasks I want to develop in this community is provide spanish
 info about FlexJS to promote the technology in this language, as I think it
 has great potential.

 My first contribution in this line is an spanish intro to FlexJS based on
 different info in our wiki and other resources : http://bit.ly/N0kE0p

 Hope you find it interesting and hope you share your opinion about this
 effort.

 regards,

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 http://about.me/carlosrovira

Re: [jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33994) Need a way to distinguish phone and tablet target devices through css

[Avi Kessner]

Screen Size

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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:

 Is there a common practice in the non-Flash world?  How do web-sites tell
 the difference?

 On 2/4/14 2:40 PM, Maurice Amsellem (old) (JIRA) j...@apache.org
 wrote:

 
 [
 
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33994?page=com.atlassian.jira.p
 lugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13891330#com
 ment-13891330 ]
 
 Maurice Amsellem (old) commented on FLEX-33994:
 ---
 
 Justin, if you don't want to use physical units, what would you propose?
 
  Need a way to distinguish phone and tablet target devices through css
  -
 
  Key: FLEX-33994
  URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33994
  Project: Apache Flex
   Issue Type: New Feature
   Components: .Unspecified - Mobile
 Affects Versions: Apache Flex 4.11.0
 Reporter: Maurice Amsellem
 Assignee: Maurice Amsellem
 
  Some components should have different layout on phone and tablet
 devices.
  For example, DropDownList should display as a centered popup list on
 phones, and display the drop down list below its popup button on
 tablets, supposedly having move screen space.
 
 
 
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Re: Flex CI integration

[Avi Kessner]

I am not building an air application, however we have a basic pom.xml which
we use for all our libraries that I can share with you.  This pom is just a
basic one. We then have later poms which use the parent and override some
properties or add new ones.  I've attached them in this email.

The base pom is stored in our artifactory repo, and then
some_library_pom.xml is stored in the project of the library.
For an air application you will need to remove the exclusion from the
compiler I believe and change the package type.

Hope this helps.


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On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Christofer Dutz christofer.d...@c-ware.de
 wrote:

 Well let me post some Links:

 - the latest source is at GitHub: https://github.com/chrisdutz/flexmojos
 - the bug  issue tracker is at Atlassian:
 https://flexmojos.atlassian.net/secure/Dashboard.jspa
 - same as the confluence System:
 https://flexmojos.atlassian.net/wiki/display/FLEXMOJOS/Home
 - A Good entry Point should be:
 https://flexmojos.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=622636

 I know it's a Little confusing, but when Velo (the original creator and
 maintainer of Flexmojos) left sonatype and passed on Flexmojos to me, I
 started Setting up the Atlassian site and move the Content there, but Velo
 never made Sonatype delete the old Content :-( Unfortunately I have no
 means of making Sonatype remove the old Content.

 I also deploy Flexmojos Releases to the sonatype oss repo, which usually
 has the artifacts synced to Maven central within a few days.
 The most recent release Version is 6.0.1 and the current development
 Version is 7.0.0-SNAPSHOT which is available on Sonatypes OSS snapshot
 repository.

 You have to Keep in mind that with FM 6 and 7 you Need to convert your FDK
 to a mavenized form using our Mavenizer tool:
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Apache+Flex+SDK+Mavenizer

 I would recommend to have a look at the tutorials on the Flexmojos
 confluence System.

 If you have any Problems, don't hesitate to post questions here. There are
 quite a lot of very skilled people here that will deffinitely be able to
 help you.

 Chris

 
 Von: Daniel Tiefenauer daniel.tiefena...@crealogix.com
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Januar 2014 09:17
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: AW: Flex CI integration

 Avi,
 I already tried to make this work, but without success. I don't know where
 to get the most current Mojos. Seems the ones at sonatype.org are all
 outdated. Are you building a Mobile Project with Maven? Do you think it
 would be possible if you sent me your pom.xml for reference?

 Many thanks in advance
 Daniel

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: Avi Kessner [mailto:akess...@gmail.com]
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2014 12:49
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: Flex CI integration

 We use Maven for our Teamcity integration.  I wouldn't recommend any other
 solution :)

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 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Christofer Dutz
 christofer.d...@c-ware.dewrote:

  Hi Daniel,
 
  Well If you are not stuck to Ant, but would think about using Maven,
  Flexmojos already offers the following out of the box:
  - Unit-Testing and logging the results
  - Running ASDoc Generation
  - Executing Integration tests
 
  Chris
 
  
  Von: Daniel Tiefenauer daniel.tiefena...@crealogix.com
  Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2014 11:53
  An: dev@flex.apache.org
  Betreff: Flex CI integration
 
  Hello there
  I'm desperately trying to build a Flex mobile project in Jenkins. I
  managed to write ANT-Tasks to compile and package the Code.
  What I have been trying to do during the past days is :
 
  -  Execute my FlexUnit4 Tests and write the results in a log
 
  -  Generate ASDOC for my sources
 
  But this seems to be insanely difficult. I have studied all the
  information I could find on the ASDOC tool and also stumbled upon the
  Wiki at
  https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/FlexUnit+Digging+Deep
  er. However, I can't clone the FlexUnitSample CI Project from the
 Repository ( https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=flex-flexunit.git).
 
  My goal is something like the job found on
  https://builds.apache.org/job/flex-sdk_release/. Does ANYBODY have a
  guide or documentation about the steps needed to achieve this??
 
  Any help would be greatly appreciated
 
 
  Daniel
 
 

project xmlns=http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0;
 xmlns:xsi=http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance;
 xsi:schemaLocation=http://maven.apache.org/POM/4.0.0 http://maven.apache.org/maven-v4_0_0.xsd;
modelVersion4.0.0/modelVersion
 
groupIdcom.my.company/groupId
artifactIdbase-parent/artifactId
namebase-parent/name
version2.0.0/version
packagingpom/packaging
 
properties
flexmojos.version6.0.1

Re: Flex CI integration

[Avi Kessner]

We use Maven for our Teamcity integration.  I wouldn't recommend any other
solution :)

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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Christofer Dutz
christofer.d...@c-ware.dewrote:

 Hi Daniel,

 Well If you are not stuck to Ant, but would think about using Maven,
 Flexmojos already offers the following out of the box:
 - Unit-Testing and logging the results
 - Running ASDoc Generation
 - Executing Integration tests

 Chris

 
 Von: Daniel Tiefenauer daniel.tiefena...@crealogix.com
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2014 11:53
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Flex CI integration

 Hello there
 I'm desperately trying to build a Flex mobile project in Jenkins. I
 managed to write ANT-Tasks to compile and package the Code.
 What I have been trying to do during the past days is :

 -  Execute my FlexUnit4 Tests and write the results in a log

 -  Generate ASDOC for my sources

 But this seems to be insanely difficult. I have studied all the
 information I could find on the ASDOC tool and also stumbled upon the Wiki
 at
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/FlexUnit+Digging+Deeper. 
 However, I can't clone the FlexUnitSample CI Project from the Repository (
 https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=flex-flexunit.git).

 My goal is something like the job found on
 https://builds.apache.org/job/flex-sdk_release/. Does ANYBODY have a
 guide or documentation about the steps needed to achieve this??

 Any help would be greatly appreciated


 Daniel

Re: Flex CI integration

[Avi Kessner]

Well that is embarrassing, the link did not get pasted:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18505129/how-do-i-get-flexunit-flexmojos-and-mockolate-to-work-together

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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:

 We use Maven for our Teamcity integration.  I wouldn't recommend any other
 solution :)

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 On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Christofer Dutz 
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:

 Hi Daniel,

 Well If you are not stuck to Ant, but would think about using Maven,
 Flexmojos already offers the following out of the box:
 - Unit-Testing and logging the results
 - Running ASDoc Generation
 - Executing Integration tests

 Chris

 
 Von: Daniel Tiefenauer daniel.tiefena...@crealogix.com
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. Januar 2014 11:53
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Flex CI integration

 Hello there
 I'm desperately trying to build a Flex mobile project in Jenkins. I
 managed to write ANT-Tasks to compile and package the Code.
 What I have been trying to do during the past days is :

 -  Execute my FlexUnit4 Tests and write the results in a log

 -  Generate ASDOC for my sources

 But this seems to be insanely difficult. I have studied all the
 information I could find on the ASDOC tool and also stumbled upon the Wiki
 at
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/FlexUnit+Digging+Deeper. 
 However, I can't clone the FlexUnitSample CI Project from the Repository (
 https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf?p=flex-flexunit.git).

 My goal is something like the job found on
 https://builds.apache.org/job/flex-sdk_release/. Does ANYBODY have a
 guide or documentation about the steps needed to achieve this??

 Any help would be greatly appreciated


 Daniel

Re: AW: Flex at ApacheCon

[Avi Kessner]

Christopher,  I think that is a topic that needs much more coverage. Great
idea!
On Jan 21, 2014 1:06 PM, Christofer Dutz christofer.d...@c-ware.de
wrote:

 Reconcidering my last Statement ...

 As Maven, Flex, BlazeDS, FlexUnit are all Flex and Apache Technologies (or
 BlazeDS will be pretty soon) ... eventually a talk on bringing that all
 together wouldn't be that a bad idea ... what do you Think?

 - How to Setup the maven build for a Flex / Hybrid (Java+Flex) Application?
 - How to Mavenize an SDK and deploy that to your Company Maven Repo?
 - How to automatically generate the AS3 model from your Java model classes?
 - How to Setup an enterprise application using BlazeDS to communicate with
 the Flex Client?
 - How to Setup FlexUnit to run Unit/Integration Tests for your Flex
 Frontend integrated into your Companies CI build?
 - How to Setup Integration-Tests to auto-deploy your application to a
 Server of choice and run (Selenium) frontend-tests against that?
 (Last Topic would deffinitely exceed any time-Limit though)

 Don't quite know what Format would be best for this though.

 For most of that stuff I already have quite some Content available ...

 What do you think?

 Chris

 
 Von: Christofer Dutz christofer.d...@c-ware.de
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Januar 2014 11:12
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: AW: Flex at ApacheCon

 Hi,

 I'm currently planning on going to the ApacheCon too ... who else from the
 Flex Team will be attending and what Hotels are you planning on staying?

 The call for papers is still open and I was thinking about submitting
 something, but as I always work on stuff between the Technologies (Flex +
 Java + Spring + Maven + ...) There would probably not be much interest in
 any technology-hybrid talk (Especially with Flexmojos not being Apache).
 Perhaps I should persuade Velo to donate Flexmojos but I think I remember
 that there was quite a lot of code from other People that he would not be
 allowed to donate without asking each contributor.

 Chris

 
 Von: Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com
 Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Januar 2014 22:13
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: Flex at ApacheCon

 Hi,

  Do you know if speakerss get their entry fee comp'd?
 Yes but travel and hotel are not covered. [1] Well that what I assume as
 the call for paper link on [2] takes you to that page. At previously
 ApacheCons that wasn't always the case.

 For me it travel + hotel is the larger cost. Apache does have a travel
 assistance program [3] but places are limited.

 Thanks,
 Justin

 1.
 http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program/cfp
 2. http://www.apachecon.com
 3. http://www.apache.org/travel

RE: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

[Avi Kessner]

Does function overloading require changes to the runtime?
On Jan 22, 2014 9:30 PM, Gordon Smith gosm...@adobe.com wrote:

 I looked over the spec to refresh my memory. In addition to user-defined
 namespaces, other things that were dropped were E4X, undefined, prototypes,
 and dynamic classes. Basically, AS4 became more like Java and less like
 Javascript. Dropping any of these things would have a large impact on Flex.
 But none of them have to be dropped. You could cherry-pick the additions
 (as long as they are implementable on the existing runtime) rather than the
 removals.

 - Gordon

 -Original Message-
 From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gosm...@adobe.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:20 AM
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Subject: RE: ActionScript 4? What the hell?

  the main thrust of the language was a totally new language geared for
 functional programming, and then some backward compatibility stuff to make
 it seem more like ActionScript.

 I wouldn't characterize it that way. To me it felt like incremental change
 to AS3. There were still classes and interfaces so I'm not sure what you
 mean by geared for functional programming; to me it was still definitely
 an object-oriented language. It did add strong function types'; for
 example

 var f:(int, int)=String;

 declared a variable that could only contain a reference to a function that
 took two ints and returned a String. It also added array types like

 var a:[]int;

 - Gordon


 -Original Message-
 From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:06 AM
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Subject: Re: ActionScript 4? What the hell?



 On 1/22/14 10:55 AM, Gordon Smith gosm...@adobe.com wrote:

 Adobe designed AS4 to be the language for a new Flash runtime (V12)
 that it was working on but dropped. (I was working on the AS4 compiler
 then.) Not all features of AS4 can be implemented -- at least not
 easily and efficiently -- on the existing Flash runtime. However, some
 features can be.
 
 Alex, I suggest that you try to arrange for the donation of the
 incomplete AS4 compiler to Apache for cherry-picking.
 Well, donations take a lot of time and energy.  I would rather we know
 there is something we want and doesn't require runtime implementation
 before expending that energy.

 I haven't looked at the AS4 docs, and Gordon certainly knows better, but
 my takeaway from past discussions about AS4 was that it had dual
 personalities: the main thrust of the language was a totally new language
 geared for functional programming, and then some backward compatibility
 stuff to make it seem more like ActionScript.  Sure you could call that an
 improvement, but I'm not clear it would be an incremental improvement.  It
 would be like rewriting the framework in Lisp.

 
 - Gordon
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kessler CTR Mark J [mailto:mark.kessler@usmc.mil]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 10:32 AM
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Subject: RE: ActionScript 4? What the hell?
 
Well using the assumption that AS 4 would be an improvement in some
 area's from AS3 even if it was an incomplete work.   While I haven't
 looked at it yet, I would be interested in just seeing the differences
 and bring over small pieces that could be an improvement for us.
 Assuming it wasn't in the same direction as ASC 2 which started getting
 rid of things we use.
 
 -Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:20 PM
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Subject: Re: ActionScript 4? What the hell?
 
 I'm not sure what the rules are.  The language reference is under
 Apache license.  The specifications are under CC-NC which is not good.
 I suppose I could try to get that changed.
 
 But first, come up with something you do want to cherry pick that
 doesn't require implementation in the runtime.
 
 -Alex
 
 On 1/22/14 8:39 AM, Kessler CTR Mark J mark.kessler@usmc.mil
 wrote:
 
 Since this is hosted publicly but not donated, I assume we cannot
 cherry pick any good changes from as4...
 
 -Mark
 
 -Original Message-
 From: bkelley [mailto:brady.kel...@cleantelligent.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 11:15 AM
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Subject: Re: ActionScript 4? What the hell?
 
 DarkStone wrote
  I believe Adobe said in the flash runtime roadmap that AS4 was dropped:
  http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html
 
  Now they reopen AS4 on GitHub, what does it mean?
 
 From the read me on the github project: Adobe is publishing the
 ActionScript 4 specifications in the hope that they may be useful to
 the programming language and managed runtime communities. The
 specifications are as they existed when the project with which they
 were associated was discontinued and therefore may be considered
 incomplete. Source code for the compiler and runtime is not available.
 Adobe has no plans to resume development of ActionScript 4.
 
 

Re: FW: FlexUnit.org

[Avi Kessner]

Maybe set up a redirect to here?
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/FlexUnit

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On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Michael A. Labriola 
labri...@digitalprimates.net wrote:


 Does apache have any interest in taking over FlexUnit.org? I brought it up
 a while back and I don't think I heard a response.

 I get pinged a few times a week on people still looking for the docs at
 this URL?

 Mike

Re: TLF Tables

[Avi Kessner]

I would vote for table/cells
I think it more accurately describes a table.
This way you could also more easily set the borders of cells like excell
does.
IMO rows and columns don't actually exist,  they are just a coordinate
system to locate a cell.
On Dec 4, 2013 2:42 PM, Harbs harbs.li...@gmail.com wrote:

 There's one more issue I'm struggling with:

 The way the elements were implemented is that rows are nested inside
 tables and cells are inside rows. Table columns are not directly connected
 to cells -- they are really just there to compute the position.

 This makes sense in the way that the tables would normally be composed
 (i.e. row by row).

 The only issue I can see with this, would be joined cells. If cells are
 joined horizontally, it would not be to complicated since the row would be
 composed across.

 Vertically joined cells would be much more complicated. Once cells are
 joined vertically, a single cell would actually reside inside two different
 rows. This does not jive very well with the concept of cells belonging to a
 specific row. A better fit might be to make cells children of the table and
 to have cells contain row and column info.

 It might be possible to compose joined cells even if they are children of
 rows and use placeholder objects to indicate the joined cell location
 within the row -- or maybe skip that area.

 I think I'm leaning towards sticking with tables/rows/cells rather than
 tables/cells because I think it's neater for the classic tables, but I'm
 not completely set on it.

 I'd like to hear if anyone has input on the subject…

 On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:08 PM, Alex Harui wrote:

  OK, good luck.
 
  On 12/2/13 1:16 AM, Harbs harbs.li...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The way it was implemented is like this:
 
  1) Tables and table columns have fixed widths. (I might add a default
  width if none was set to prevent runtime errors. What's a reasonable
  number?)
  2) Table cell parcels are created with a maximum height of 8000. I'm not
  sure why they picked that number, but it's probably high enough that
 it's
  fine. After the cell is composed, the height of the parcel is adjusted.
 
  This simplifies the calculations tremendously because tables can be
  safely composed on a row-by-row basis. I think both of these limitations
  are reasonable ones and it's pretty consistent with how tables work in
  DTP apps. The only thing I'm probably going to change is to add the
  option of a fixed height to the cell parcel where the contents would
 just
  become overset if it does not fit.
 
  One thing I'm planning on changing is related to table widths.
 Currently,
  the width of a table is constrained by the with of the containing
 parcel.
  I think it's reasonable that tables can extend beyond the bounds of the
  parent parcel. This is the way InDesign works and I think it's necessary
  for tables that flow across multiple containers since the width of the
  containers are not necessarily constant.
 
  Another limitation that I think is reasonable is no nested tables.
  InDesign for example allows unlimited levels of nesting tables inside
  table cells. This adds a lot of complexity to the composition, and it
  seems to me that this is an edge case. Does TLF currently support nested
  text containers? (i.e. text containers as inline graphics)
 
  I think I'm also going to not allow cells to split across containers as
  this also adds complexity (and I personally have no need for this
  support).
 
  Harbs
 
  On Dec 2, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Avi Kessner wrote:
 
  Just a random thought here, but what if you set the parcels at the end
  of
  table creation?   Something like, populateParcels() which gets called
  after
  all cell sizes and positions are known, and then get placed into those
  rectangles?
  On Dec 2, 2013 7:02 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
 
  Harbs,
 
  I haven't looked at the Table code at all.  I don't remember exactly
  how
  Parcels work for the standard case, either.
 
  IMO, HTML Tables are really hard.  In some cases, I think you have to
  compose cells multiple times in order to decide the cell widths and
 row
  heights.  If your use case can constrain the problem space it might be
  easier to get something to work.
 
  FWIW, I agree that it doesn't make sense for the main container's
  ParcelList to know about parcels in the table.
 
  Good luck,
  -Alex
 
  On 12/1/13 6:14 AM, Gavriel Harbater gavha...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Some more rambling:
 
  The more I'm working through this, the more I'm convinced that the
  current implementation is fundamentally broken. The cell Parcels
  really
  can't be in the same ParcelList as the Containers. I'm pretty sure
  that
  not only multi-container text threads are broken, but multi-column
  containers are broken as well.
 
  It seems to me that there needs to be a separate ParcelList for table
  cells that are separate from the container parcel list. Table parcels
  don't exactly fit into the concept of container

Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Flex chair

[Avi Kessner]

I didn't care, and thought the rational to give more people the experience
is a good one.  However, the logic in following argument might be sound and
a bit scary.

There's the additional rationale keeping Alex in the position as I think
it would be less likely for folks at Adobe to assign him to some non-Flex
position if he's the Flex PMC chair.


Hearing from Alex on that would be good. Because I don't think we are ready
to miss out on Adobe support just yet.

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On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.com wrote:


  I don't care myself.  My impression is that many of the folks on this
 list are US based; and you started the conversation at the start of a major
 US Holiday [Thanksgiving].  That may have contributed to the lack of a
 response.  I, myself, have been running non-stop for 6 days [and I have two
 more before I can look up].

  You may consider waiting until mid-week and giving the thread another
 poke.


 On 12/1/2013 1:04 AM, Justin Mclean wrote:

 Hi,

 Not exactly a huge response of this so I'd assume most people don't care
 one way or another. Anyone else have something to say?

 Justin



 --
 Jeffry Houser
 Technical Entrepreneur
 http://www.jeffryhouser.com
 203-379-0773

Re: TLF Tables

[Avi Kessner]

Just a random thought here, but what if you set the parcels at the end of
table creation?   Something like, populateParcels() which gets called after
all cell sizes and positions are known, and then get placed into those
rectangles?
On Dec 2, 2013 7:02 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:

 Harbs,

 I haven't looked at the Table code at all.  I don't remember exactly how
 Parcels work for the standard case, either.

 IMO, HTML Tables are really hard.  In some cases, I think you have to
 compose cells multiple times in order to decide the cell widths and row
 heights.  If your use case can constrain the problem space it might be
 easier to get something to work.

 FWIW, I agree that it doesn't make sense for the main container's
 ParcelList to know about parcels in the table.

 Good luck,
 -Alex

 On 12/1/13 6:14 AM, Gavriel Harbater gavha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Some more rambling:
 
 The more I'm working through this, the more I'm convinced that the
 current implementation is fundamentally broken. The cell Parcels really
 can't be in the same ParcelList as the Containers. I'm pretty sure that
 not only multi-container text threads are broken, but multi-column
 containers are broken as well.
 
 It seems to me that there needs to be a separate ParcelList for table
 cells that are separate from the container parcel list. Table parcels
 don't exactly fit into the concept of container parcels either because
 they should be nested inside other parcels (which normal parcels are
 not). I think I should subclass Parcel as TableCellParcel which would
 have a parcel as a parent. I'm also going to have to either modify
 ParcelList to track the cell parcels or subclass it for dealing with cell
 parcels.
 
 Harbs
 
 On Dec 1, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Harbs wrote:
 
  This is really difficult, because I'm not sure what is supposed to work
 in the current implementation. I'm trying to reverse engineer how tables
 work when they don't really work. Trying to sift out what I don't
 understand from what simply doesn't work from what is poorly implemented
 is a huge pain.
 
  I'm going to ramble a bit. I hope that things will become clearer to me
 as I ramble on... ;-)
 
  If someone who understands how text flow in TLF is supposed to work
 would either confirm or correct me, I'd appreciate it.
 
  Here's how I understand the way TLF works with parcels:
 
  Each composition has a ParcelList which contains one or more parcels.
 Each ContainerController has one or more parcels in the ParcelList.
 Generally, there is one parcel per column. (If a ContainerController has
 more than one column, the composition of each column is done separately
 as a separate parcel.)
 
  For normal text frames, this is all pretty straight-forward.
 
  With tables things get a bit more muddled. Each table cell is in effect
 a separate composition area. If every composition area gets its own
 parcel, I guess this would mean that every cell in the table would get
 its own parcel. If I'm reading the code correctly, it's supposed to be
 doing this. I think another way to look at it, would be to look at each
 column of each table within a specific Container as a separate
 composition area (parcel) and position the text within that. I'm not
 sure this makes any sense, though. The more I'm looking at how parcels
 work (i.e. vj, etc.), the less this makes sense.
 
  So, basically, every cell in the table would be a separate parcel, and
 these parcels need to be organized into rows and columns. Keeping track
 of the columns and the placement of the rows has some level of
 complexity. Adding header and footer rows to the mix should make it more
 interesting.
 
  Here's what I'm not (yet) totally clear on (or even if it works right):
  1) The logic of placing the table parcels relative to the container
 parcels. The way I see it, the table parcels should be arranged within
 the bounds of the column parcels of the containing container(s).
  2) How the calculations of the parcel placement goes. This is
 especially true for tables that might span more than one parent parcel.
  3) The placement of the table parcels relative to the container parcels
 they are contained within. (Should there be a separate ParcelList for
 table parcels, or should it be part of the main ParcelList?)
  4) What I'm not clear on... ;-)
 
  On Nov 28, 2013, at 3:20 PM, Harbs wrote:
 
  I'm back on this, and starting to make some (slow) progress.
 
  I've started a Google Docs document to try to make some order out of
 the chaos that is the current state of TLF Tables. This is just a place
 where I'm jotting down my findings as I go and my thoughts on direction
 as I work on this. I made the document publicly editable and would love
 input. If there's anyone out there that has answers to the questions
 I'm posing, it would be very helpful!
 
 
 
 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sT0IAiMfIOBVgmo8wwF6ZZviuNFcW2bUfQoj
 0zDmSog/edit?usp=sharing
 
  Harb
 
  On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Harbs 

Re: Action Script Code Validator tool

[Avi Kessner]

The analysis tools in IDEA work really well, but you can tell they were
created for Java and just happen to work for AS3 as well :)
I haven't tried them for Flex yet.

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Maurice Amsellem 
maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote:

 I am working with IDEA, but didn't have time yet to try the analysis tools.
 Will give them a try.
 Thanks for the hint.

 Maurice

 -Message d'origine-
 De : piotr.zarzycki [mailto:piotrzarzyck...@gmail.com]
 Envoyé : mardi 26 novembre 2013 13:30
 À : dev@flex.apache.org
 Objet : RE: Action Script Code Validator tool

 Hi,

 Small off top..
 I think Maurice similar functionality to FlexPMD we have got native in
 Intellij IDEA, too bad there is not in Flash Builder.

 Piotr



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Re: Action Script Code Validator tool

[Avi Kessner]

Except for the fact, that you have to write rules in Java and not AS3 I'd
say that it's pretty much feature complete and worth donating.
Do you think we could build rules writing into Falcon?

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On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:

 I'm about to submit a bunch of stuff to legal for donation to Apache.
 I've never used FlexPMD or looked at its code.  Is it worth donating as a
 starting point or should we just build this capability into Falcon?

 -Alex

 On 11/26/13 2:52 AM, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com
 wrote:

 The last time I used FlexPMD was several years ago, and I don't know if
 it still working, but it's the only quality code tool for Flex I know
 about.
 
 Maurice
 
 -Message d'origine-
 De : Tom Chiverton [mailto:t...@extravision.com]
 Envoyé : mardi 26 novembre 2013 11:41
 À : dev@flex.apache.org
 Objet : Re: Action Script Code Validator tool
 
 On 26/11/2013 10:31, Maurice Amsellem wrote:
  You can try FlexPMD
 
 http://sourceforge.net/adobe/flexpmd/ ?
 
 Issues were last updated a year ago... and the when I looked then it
 doesn't actually work very well in Eclipse.
 
 Tom

Re: Problem in converting ArrayCollection to Array

[Avi Kessner]

This sounds like a classic example of the source being changed/not changed,
and forgetting to call update on the item renderers.

How exactly do you know that items from the array are missing?

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On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Miguel Ferreira 
miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com wrote:

 you are setting the reference so try to clone it.
 the source have always all the correct elements. Even when you sort or you
 have a filter.

 So must be another action that is removing your items.

  From: seema.mak...@aricent.com
  To: dev@flex.apache.org
  Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:22:51 +0530
  Subject: RE: Problem in converting ArrayCollection to Array
 
  I have used ArrayCollection.source but it remove some elements
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Miguel Ferreira [mailto:miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 3:21 PM
  To: dev@flex.apache.org
  Subject: RE: Problem in converting ArrayCollection to Array
 
  there is no need to make a conversation on the array collection use the
 property source
 
   From: seema.mak...@aricent.com
   To: dev@flex.apache.org
   Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:17:45 +0530
   Subject: Problem in converting ArrayCollection to Array
  
   Hello All,
  
   I have created PagableArraycollection Class.
   For make it pagable I need to convert ArrayCollection to array.
   After conversion some elements are removed.
   How to resolve this issue.
  
  
   Thanks,
   Seema
  
  
  
  
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Re: AW: Questions about current mavenizer status

[Avi Kessner]

It's not really an edge case. In my company we just copy pasted the
repository onto local drives :)

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On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Cosma Colanicchia cosma...@gmail.comwrote:

 I’m now trying to deploy the artifacts to a shared repository with the
 in-vm deployer.

 Our repository is not exposed via HTTP, instead is accessed as a network
 share using a file://... repository URL. The new deployer fail instantly
 with an ArtifactTransferException.

 Probably this is an edge case, with the previous deployer I was able to
 successful deploy the artifacts (probably because it relies on standard mvm
 commands).


 This is the exception stack trace:

 Installing Artifact: com.adobe.air:compiler:3.9
  - File with extension pom
 org.eclipse.aether.deployment.DeploymentException: Failed to deploy
 artifacts: Could not transfer artifact com.adobe.air:compiler:pom:3.9
 from/to repo (file:///Volumes/Area\ Sviluppatori/m2-repository):
 /Volumes/Area\
 Sviluppatori/m2-repository/com/adobe/air/compiler/3.9/compiler-3.9.pom (No
 such file or directory)
  at

 org.eclipse.aether.internal.impl.DefaultDeployer.deploy(DefaultDeployer.java:341)
 at

 org.eclipse.aether.internal.impl.DefaultDeployer.deploy(DefaultDeployer.java:269)
  at

 org.eclipse.aether.internal.impl.DefaultRepositorySystem.deploy(DefaultRepositorySystem.java:413)
 at SDKInVMDeployer.processArtifact(SDKInVMDeployer.java:214)
  at SDKInVMDeployer.processDir(SDKInVMDeployer.java:152)
 at SDKInVMDeployer.processDir(SDKInVMDeployer.java:161)
  at SDKInVMDeployer.processDir(SDKInVMDeployer.java:161)
 at SDKInVMDeployer.processDir(SDKInVMDeployer.java:161)
  at SDKInVMDeployer.processDir(SDKInVMDeployer.java:161)
 at SDKInVMDeployer.processDir(SDKInVMDeployer.java:161)
  at SDKInVMDeployer.start(SDKInVMDeployer.java:137)
 at SDKInVMDeployer.main(SDKInVMDeployer.java:89)
 Caused by: org.eclipse.aether.transfer.ArtifactTransferException: Could not
 transfer artifact com.adobe.air:compiler:pom:3.9 from/to repo
 (file:///Volumes/Area\ Sviluppatori/m2-repository): /Volumes/Area\
 Sviluppatori/m2-repository/com/adobe/air/compiler/3.9/compiler-3.9.pom (No
 such file or directory)
  at

 org.eclipse.aether.connector.basic.ArtifactTransportListener.transferFailed(ArtifactTransportListener.java:43)
 at

 org.eclipse.aether.connector.basic.BasicRepositoryConnector$TaskRunner.run(BasicRepositoryConnector.java:342)
  at

 org.eclipse.aether.connector.basic.BasicRepositoryConnector.put(BasicRepositoryConnector.java:271)
 at

 org.eclipse.aether.internal.impl.DefaultDeployer.deploy(DefaultDeployer.java:335)
  ... 11 more
 Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /Volumes/Area\
 Sviluppatori/m2-repository/com/adobe/air/compiler/3.9/compiler-3.9.pom (No
 such file or directory)
  at java.io.FileOutputStream.open(Native Method)
 at java.io.FileOutputStream.init(FileOutputStream.java:194)
  at java.io.FileOutputStream.init(FileOutputStream.java:145)
 at

 org.eclipse.aether.transport.file.FileTransporter.implPut(FileTransporter.java:85)
  at

 org.eclipse.aether.spi.connector.transport.AbstractTransporter.put(AbstractTransporter.java:117)
 at

 org.eclipse.aether.connector.basic.BasicRepositoryConnector$PutTaskRunner.runTask(BasicRepositoryConnector.java:578)
  at

 org.eclipse.aether.connector.basic.BasicRepositoryConnector$TaskRunner.run(BasicRepositoryConnector.java:337)
 ... 13 more




 2013/11/20 Cosma Colanicchia cosma...@gmail.com

  I have created the FDKs for 4.11 (with the latest AIR and FP versions,
 and
  all options checked) from Windows and from Mac, and tried to diff out the
  two folders.
 
  I see that there are a lot of changes, some of which are expected:
   - /bin (adl vs adl.exe, adt vs adt.exe)
   - /android/lib binaries (aapt vs aapt.exe, additional dlls for win)
   - /lib/aot binaries
   - /lib/nai binaries
   - /runtimes
   - a lot of differences in text files (xml, xsd and some sources), maybe
  due to line breaks?
   - many differences in swc and jar binary files (maybe the installer is
  downloading different binary packages created with different build run?)
 
  Then I run the mavenizer, and compared the output: the swc and jar
  differences are clearly still there, but the file set is identical (no
  additional file or artifacts are generated).
 
  So, it seems that the mavenized version is actually the same when
  generated from a mac/win FDK. Probably, many of the differences will
 emerge
  once mobile packaging will be supported by flexmojos?
 
  I can provide the output of the diff runs, if required..
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  2013/11/20 christofer.d...@c-ware.de christofer.d...@c-ware.de
 
  Ok ... so I fixed the two mistakes :-)
  Thanks for reporting.
 
  Chris
 
  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von: Cosma Colanicchia [mailto:cosma...@gmail.com]
  Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. November 2013 23:03
  An: Apache Flex Developers ML
  Betreff: Re: AW: Questions about current mavenizer 

Re: How can I check if an swf has advanced-telemetry enabled?

[Avi Kessner]

Run scout?
On Nov 17, 2013 7:01 PM, Darrell Loverin darrell.love...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I believe there was a new tag added to the swf to enable telemetry. I don't
 see this tag supported in Apache Flex.


 -Darrell Loverin



 On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:30 AM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de 
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:

  Hi,
 
  I have recently extedned Flexmojos to support the advanced telemetry
  compiler flag. Also I have created unit-tests that sort of test that
  functionality. Unfortunately I can simply see that below flex 4.10 that
  flag is simply not supported by the compiler. I can't however check if
 the
  file is actually enabled. So my question is, what is changed in a SWF in
  order to enable it so I can check this in a unit-test.
 
  Chris
 

RE: [ANNOUNCE] Welcome Maurice as the newest PMC member

[Avi Kessner]

At the risk of making this thread too long, Congrats !
On 14 Nov 2013 11:16, Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com
wrote:

 Thanks Tom

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Tom Chiverton [mailto:t...@extravision.com]
 Envoyé : jeudi 14 novembre 2013 10:08
 À : dev@flex.apache.org
 Objet : Re: [ANNOUNCE] Welcome Maurice as the newest PMC member

 On 14/11/2013 04:11, Justin Mclean wrote:
  For all his hard work the Apache Flex PMC has voted Maurice in as a PMC
 member.  Congratulations Maurice.
 
 Nice choice.

 Tom

Re: Mozilla takes on Flash

[Avi Kessner]

Saying that people can live without flash is silly.  People can live
without smartphones in general
On 31 Oct 2013 19:44, f...@dfguy.us wrote:

 I think that Flex has abhuge number of benefits for data driven
 applications. Project organization via packages and extending components,
 the strengths of AS over javascript and control over objects rendered by
 the runtime. Also the ability to create complex animations in Flash
 professional and import tgem in and access via AS. Then there are all of
 the features you get out of AIR with native extensions and stage3d and etc.

 The main things I see as hurdles are the rendering issues between the
 display list and the hardware accelerated content, issues with native text
 inputs and slight lag on large lists. Also the webview can't be interacted
 with so you have to just watch the url. There is just general fear about
 Adobe supporting AIR going forward but I think that will be ok. If there
 was a way to make a starling lile list for mobile and some softening of the
 rougness around the native controls I don't know any other comparible cross
 platform.



 -Original Message-
 From: Tom Chiverton t...@extravision.com
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Sent: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Mozilla takes on Flash

 On 31/10/2013 16:58, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote:
  I'm guessing outside of this controlled environment, having the general
 public access to an application would be the uphill battle you have laid
 out.
 It depends on the audience though.
 We're deploying to people who, generally, have multi-megabit ADSL-class
 connections as a minimum.
 Even the first time hit of ~3meg isn't much off a slow down, and we use
 local RSL for the SDK classes, so at least when we do a release it's
 only a ~800k download until we update it again.

 Tom

Re: Mozilla takes on Flash

[Avi Kessner]

Maybe I should explain myself better (now that I'm not on a mobile device)

Because of Adobe's actions, I have ill-will towards Adobe.
On the other hand, because of Adobe's actions, I have more job
opportunities, and since I have switched over to JetBrain's tools, I also
have a much more productive and impressive Coding environment.
Except for the fact that I rely on the flashplayer, and read up on what it
can and can not do, I no longer use any Adobe products to program.
So while I still benefit from Adobe's work, I'm resentful about it in
general.  I can't label that anything but being stupid.  It's likely
going to be a few years until I'm completely not using Adobe products at
all, but I imagine that day will come.  (Purely for emotional reasons)

As for Shumway, I don't understand how they plan on using pure Javascript
to handle things like multiple audio channels, or video recording, or .SOLs
without a browser plugin.  I'm sure they will get it to work on firefox,
but I don't see how it's going to work on any other browsers.  I'm also
curious what they are going to do with crossdomain.xml stuff.

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On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:36 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:



 On 10/28/13 6:14 PM, f...@dfguy.us f...@dfguy.us wrote:
 
 My deal is I've always preferred the programming model in the flash
 runtimes. The way you control graphics and objects and the organization
 of flex project code is superior. Also the use of components and
 extensibility of classes with flex and oo actionscript since version 3 is
 so much better tgan javascript. I just wish there was more of an
 enterprise focus from adobe with the runtimes since it makes it a hard
 sell for professionals trying to promote the use of the runtimes and
 framework to business given all of the focus on graphic design, gaming
 and entertainment by Adobe now. Flex is great at eating data and
 integrating with enterprise architectures ...

 Not sure what your favorite parts are, but unless you are doing lots of
 graphics in Flex, the FlexJS effort is trying to keep the things you like
 about AS3 and get it to work without Flash.

Re: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

[Avi Kessner]

If I knew how/what, I would contact Sonotype.

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On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de 
christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:

 Well I doubt it would be possible to Setup protected Areas as this is in
 contrast to the public-repo idea. But I would still prefer to have the
 fdk deployed somewhere reliable. I know in our Business things Change quite
 fast I wouldn't have immagined giving up my Consultant life and having a
 full employment doing GWT stuff one year ago. But things have changed,
 dramatically reducing the amount of time I have to develop the next Flex
 Maven plugin (Sorry for that). I just want to prevent that one day a
 posting Comes to this list, that the repo is offline because of whatsoever
 reasons. As Sonatype is running Maven Central I doubt that they will go out
 of Business soon, so for me it's currently the most reliable place in
 Addition to the fact that it should work with any Maven Installation out of
 the box.

 Chris

 
 Von: Frédéric THOMAS [webdoubl...@hotmail.com]
 Gesendet: Montag, 28. Oktober 2013 19:48
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: RE: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

  Well at sonatype they do distinguish between SNAPSHOT and Release
 Versions. So the process of updating SNAPSHOTS is far less complicated than
 that of deploying Releases

 Indeed but can I upload a zip instead of doing a deploy at sonatype? I
 never
 tried but actually, I wouldn't use the Deployer to do it, too consuming,
 especially for nightly builds.
 Can they / will create a single reader role for ApacheFlex to match the
 license policy requirement we have ? You've probably got more experiences
 with Sonatype and can probably surprise me.

 All in all, I prefer to keep control on the non-maven standard deploy
 process instead of being under the umbrella of Sonatype, I can revise my
 POV
 if the answer to those 2 question is YES though :-)

  But I still think that your process of creating individual users will
 introduce some Problems (Settings.xml sharing)

 I can't see any other situations than the ones we have now, as explained
 before, today a user from the Adobe site, once accepted the license and
 downloaded an artifact can easily share it with no problems, idem from what
 the installer download, the same if I authorize a user (or a company) to
 download the SDK artifacts to its local/company repo after he accepted the
 licenses from the Installer (with the advantage here that a same artifact
 will be downloaded only once).

 Note: The actual license agreement is not nominative, so, I wasn't thinking
 about 1 credential per user but 1 credential for the accepted license
 agreement to match the same idea.

 Maybe there are situations I didn't considerate yet ?

  Nevertheless ... I think I should make Flexmojos use the Apache GID ... I
 doubt I will find the time to work much on the new plugin in the near
 future
 and I would like to have promote the Apachiness of Flex ;-)

 I would wait for FM-Next, I wouldn't like to waste my time to re-mavenize
 and re-deploy all the Flex/Air SDKs even if in case you do it, I will ;-)

 Thanks,
 -Fred

 -Message d'origine-
 De : christofer.d...@c-ware.de [mailto:christofer.d...@c-ware.de]
 Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 16:22
 À : dev@flex.apache.org
 Objet : AW: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

 Well at sonatype they do distinguish between SNAPSHOT and Release Versions.
 So the process of updating SNAPSHOTS is far less complicated than that of
 deploying Releases. But I still think that your process of creating
 individual users will introduce some Problems (Settings.xml sharing)

 Nevertheless ... I think I should make Flexmojos use the Apache GID ... I
 doubt I will find the time to work much on the new plugin in the near
 future
 and I would like to have promote the Apachiness of Flex ;-)

 Chris

 
 Von: Frédéric THOMAS [webdoubl...@hotmail.com]
 Gesendet: Montag, 28. Oktober 2013 16:07
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: RE: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

 Chris,

 Do you think Sonatype would allows the creation of specific user granted to
 download the SDK ? It would be nice but I'm not sure, plus I would need to
 deal with their heavy process to deal with snapshot and release on
 non-maven
 built projects, I don't today, I just upload a zip and tomorrow, I will
 just
 tell jenkins to deploy the build (mavenized SDK) to Artifactory, not sure
 it
 is as easy as that with sonatype, at least from what I remember.

 What do you think ?

 Frédéric THOMAS

  From: christofer.d...@c-ware.de
  To: dev@flex.apache.org
  Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 14:18:50 +0100
  Subject: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer
 
  Well in that case, I would opt for creating an Apache Flex account at
 sonatype and to Stage and Deploy stuff there ... (The 

Re: AW: AW: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

[Avi Kessner]

Premature to 'woot! '?
On 29 Oct 2013 13:35, christofer.d...@c-ware.de christofer.d...@c-ware.de
wrote:

 Just got a Response:

 Hi Chris, I will double check, but I am almost positive we signed this
 back when Marvin was actively maintaining flexmojos.

 So this Looks extremely positive :-) *amreallyexitedaboutthis*

 
 Von: Miguel Ferreira [miguel.cd.ferre...@hotmail.com]
 Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2013 10:42
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: RE: AW: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

 That will be perfect and really really useful.
 Miguel

  From: christofer.d...@c-ware.de
  To: dev@flex.apache.org
  Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 10:17:26 +0100
  Subject: AW: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer
 
  I just signed up to the Mailinglist and sent an inquiry ... let's see
 what they answer. After all ... eventually they allready have signed an
 Agreement as Velo used to deploy stuff there ...
 
  Chris
 
  
  Von: Avi Kessner [akess...@gmail.com]
  Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Oktober 2013 10:01
  An: dev@flex.apache.org
  Betreff: Re: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer
 
  If I knew how/what, I would contact Sonotype.
 
  brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
  and the number 47
 
 
  On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:29 AM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de 
  christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
 
   Well I doubt it would be possible to Setup protected Areas as this is
 in
   contrast to the public-repo idea. But I would still prefer to have
 the
   fdk deployed somewhere reliable. I know in our Business things Change
 quite
   fast I wouldn't have immagined giving up my Consultant life and having
 a
   full employment doing GWT stuff one year ago. But things have changed,
   dramatically reducing the amount of time I have to develop the next
 Flex
   Maven plugin (Sorry for that). I just want to prevent that one day a
   posting Comes to this list, that the repo is offline because of
 whatsoever
   reasons. As Sonatype is running Maven Central I doubt that they will
 go out
   of Business soon, so for me it's currently the most reliable place in
   Addition to the fact that it should work with any Maven Installation
 out of
   the box.
  
   Chris
  
   
   Von: Frédéric THOMAS [webdoubl...@hotmail.com]
   Gesendet: Montag, 28. Oktober 2013 19:48
   An: dev@flex.apache.org
   Betreff: RE: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer
  
Well at sonatype they do distinguish between SNAPSHOT and Release
   Versions. So the process of updating SNAPSHOTS is far less complicated
 than
   that of deploying Releases
  
   Indeed but can I upload a zip instead of doing a deploy at sonatype? I
   never
   tried but actually, I wouldn't use the Deployer to do it, too
 consuming,
   especially for nightly builds.
   Can they / will create a single reader role for ApacheFlex to match the
   license policy requirement we have ? You've probably got more
 experiences
   with Sonatype and can probably surprise me.
  
   All in all, I prefer to keep control on the non-maven standard deploy
   process instead of being under the umbrella of Sonatype, I can revise
 my
   POV
   if the answer to those 2 question is YES though :-)
  
But I still think that your process of creating individual users will
   introduce some Problems (Settings.xml sharing)
  
   I can't see any other situations than the ones we have now, as
 explained
   before, today a user from the Adobe site, once accepted the license and
   downloaded an artifact can easily share it with no problems, idem from
 what
   the installer download, the same if I authorize a user (or a company)
 to
   download the SDK artifacts to its local/company repo after he accepted
 the
   licenses from the Installer (with the advantage here that a same
 artifact
   will be downloaded only once).
  
   Note: The actual license agreement is not nominative, so, I wasn't
 thinking
   about 1 credential per user but 1 credential for the accepted license
   agreement to match the same idea.
  
   Maybe there are situations I didn't considerate yet ?
  
Nevertheless ... I think I should make Flexmojos use the Apache GID
 ... I
   doubt I will find the time to work much on the new plugin in the near
   future
   and I would like to have promote the Apachiness of Flex ;-)
  
   I would wait for FM-Next, I wouldn't like to waste my time to
 re-mavenize
   and re-deploy all the Flex/Air SDKs even if in case you do it, I will
 ;-)
  
   Thanks,
   -Fred
  
   -Message d'origine-
   De : christofer.d...@c-ware.de [mailto:christofer.d...@c-ware.de]
   Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 16:22
   À : dev@flex.apache.org
   Objet : AW: AW: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer
  
   Well at sonatype they do distinguish between SNAPSHOT and Release
 Versions.
   So the process of updating SNAPSHOTS is far less complicated

Re: AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

[Avi Kessner]

Yes, that is why I would still want the mavenizer available.   However with
continuous deployment being more popular,  and the availability of free
jenkin servers,  I would not assume that everyone who needs maven has a
team to deal with it.
On 28 Oct 2013 13:21, christofer.d...@c-ware.de christofer.d...@c-ware.de
wrote:

 But from my experiance it is usually more difficult to convince the
 Company-Repo admins to add a no-name repo as source. At least most of the
 companies I've worked for. And deploying of a new Flex Version would
 probably not be done by any ordinary developer, but by one Special Person
 that is permitted to do so.

 Chris

 
 Von: Frédéric THOMAS [webdoubl...@hotmail.com]
 Gesendet: Montag, 28. Oktober 2013 10:53
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: RE: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

 1- I'm short of time at the moment and that's a long run even without
 thinking to integrate with the actual code
 2- Anyway, before I integrate anything in the actual code of the installer,
 its code needs to be refactored
 3- There's no jar produced at the moment for the converter, that something
 to be considered too.
 4- It's not allowed in every company the user can manage the repo he wants
 to access, in big ones, he has to go by the company one which in return,
 proxied the repo they choose.

 -Fred

 -Message d'origine-
 De : christofer.d...@c-ware.de [mailto:christofer.d...@c-ware.de]
 Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 10:43
 À : dev@flex.apache.org
 Objet : AW: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

 Still I can't really see what would be the Problem to add the mavenizer to
 the Installer? I guess this would resolve any legal Problems. I do see some
 Major Speed improvement Option to Switch the Deployer to use Mavens wagon
 instead of making hundreds of mvn-calls, but adding the mavenizer to the
 installer still seems to be the best Option from my Point of view.

 Chris

 
 Von: Frédéric THOMAS [webdoubl...@hotmail.com]
 Gesendet: Montag, 28. Oktober 2013 10:17
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: RE: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

 Hi Justin,

 What to stop users sharing that URL and/or user credentials around?

 I thought about it too and ended to think I don't want to add more
 restrictions than what exists today, I mean today, once you accepted a
 license and downloaded an Adobe Artifact, you can share it as you like,
 that's not even nominative.
 I just want to replicate the actual security, so, yes, if an user wants to
 share the credentials, it can do it, as it can do it with the artifact
 itself.

  As long as you make it clear that these are not official releases and
  for
 development use only as per Apache policy.

 Np, it will be suffixed with -SNAPSHOT  with means in Maven, non-released

  Could it cope with it load and the costs that is likely to incur
  (assume
 100 or 200 installs a day)? Who owns and maintains the server? Could the
 apache Flex PMC be given access to it?

 From what I understand, I'm not charged or should be very low rate, I will
 verify anyway, can't do it now, windowsazure has a 401.
 I own and maintain the server, it is the same kind than the Erik ones, it
 will serve me for some of my devs too (probably) or / and to test the SDK
 RCs and I can give access to PMCs who ask me.

 Thanks,
 -Fred

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Justin Mclean [mailto:jus...@classsoftware.com] Envoyé : lundi 28
 octobre 2013 10:03 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: Add Mavenizer
 functionality to Installer

 Hi,

  From the Installer, users already have to accept licenses for the
  third party artifacts, for those users I can grant access to a online
  maven repo which serves the Mavenized SDKs
 What to stop users sharing that URL and/or user credentials around?

  I can even add the lasts nightly mavenized build versions.
 As long as you make it clear that these are not official releases and for
 development use only as per Apache policy.

  The server exist today as it serves me, it serves up to the 4.11
  version
 Could it cope with it load and the costs that is likely to incur (assume
 100
 or 200 installs a day)? Who owns and maintains the server? Could the apache
 Flex PMC be given access to it?

 Thanks,
 Justin

Re: Mozilla takes on Flash

[Avi Kessner]

Why is adobe being so stupid?  That's all I have to wonder...

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Maurice Amsellem 
maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote:

 Look at the source code of this page.


 http://www.areweflashyet.com/shumway/examples/inspector/inspector.html?rfile=../Box2DFlashAS3/demo.swf

 Interesting...

 Maurice

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsel...@systar.com]
 Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 14:36
 À : dev@flex.apache.org
 Objet : RE: Mozilla takes on Flash

 Hi Sebastian,

 Thanks for sharing the link.

 I believe this is more of a competitor to FlexJS, although Shumway seems
 more aimed at Flash SWFs.

 It would be interesting to make comparisons between the two, in terms of
 performance , even if they are not at the same level of completion.

 Maurice

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Sebastian Mohr [mailto:flex.masul...@gmail.com] Envoyé : lundi 28
 octobre 2013 14:17 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Mozilla takes on Flash

 Does anyone have an idea what this [1] means to us?

 [1]

 http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2013/10/mozilla-takes-on-flash/?goback=%2Egde_4296888_member_5797420905202204675#%21


 --
 Sebastian (PMC)
 Interaction Designer

 Looking for a Login
 Examplehttp://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExamplewith
 Apache Flex? This guy loves ... Flash Catalyst CS5.5, the
 DesignerDeveloper Workflow and Design Tools for Apache Flex ... What do
 you love?

Re: Mozilla takes on Flash

[Avi Kessner]

Shumway is a plugin.  It's a plugin that only runs on firefox.  Apple is
not going to adopt it, as the reason they didn't adopt flash had nothing to
do with performance (HTML5 also runs slow on iphones), and everything to do
with competing with apps.  It's not going to cause adoption.  Though maybe
it will remind Adobe to find a way to make the flash player a W3 standard.

The irrationality bugs me to no end.

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:09 PM, f...@dfguy.us wrote:

 This would be great in my mind for Flex and Flash in terms of reach. I
 think Adobe will continue to improve the runtimes, which is great and
 getting better. However, if this open source project could allow swf
 content to be played on platforms (Apple) that purposefully block the
 runtimes then that's even better! Then you could produce your content as an
 swf etc and the browser would just take care of it however it needs to.

 Also, if this doesn't work out then maybe some of these hardware vendors
 will just allow the runtime since the specs are finally fast enough to run
 the full desktop version and the runtimes have been optimized.



 -Original Message-
 From: Maurice Amsellem maurice.amsel...@systar.com
 To: dev@flex.apache.org dev@flex.apache.org
 Sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 8:43 AM
 Subject: RE: Mozilla takes on Flash

 Look at the source code of this page.


 http://www.areweflashyet.com/shumway/examples/inspector/inspector.html?rfile=../Box2DFlashAS3/demo.swf

 Interesting...

 Maurice

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsel...@systar.com]
 Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 14:36
 À : dev@flex.apache.org
 Objet : RE: Mozilla takes on Flash

 Hi Sebastian,

 Thanks for sharing the link.

 I believe this is more of a competitor to FlexJS, although Shumway seems
 more aimed at Flash SWFs.

 It would be interesting to make comparisons between the two, in terms of
 performance , even if they are not at the same level of completion.

 Maurice

 -Message d'origine-
 De : Sebastian Mohr [mailto:flex.masul...@gmail.com] Envoyé : lundi 28
 octobre 2013 14:17 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Mozilla takes on Flash

 Does anyone have an idea what this [1] means to us?

 [1]

 http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2013/10/mozilla-takes-on-flash/?goback=%2Egde_4296888_member_5797420905202204675#%21


 --
 Sebastian (PMC)
 Interaction Designer

 Looking for a Login
 Examplehttp://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExamplewith
 Apache Flex? This guy loves ... Flash Catalyst CS5.5, the
 DesignerDeveloper Workflow and Design Tools for Apache Flex ... What do
 you love?

Re: Mozilla takes on Flash

[Avi Kessner]

About this whole Flash/Actionscript/Flex debacle.  They destroyed customer
relations, while continuing to build up the flash player. They make things
open source, while making the ability to consume it proprietary, and yet
make no profit from that proprietary technology. (yes I'm aware about the
licensing issues, but that seems like something that could be worked around
in one way or another)   They buy great web technologies, but then make it
impossible to integrate them into Flash.  They build developer tools, but
then advertise to artists instead of developers.  Their actions have
caused me to want to abandon them as quickly as possible, and that can't be
smart.  I went from regularly talking to 20-30 people about Adobe products,
to maybe 5.

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:

 OK, I'll bite.  Stupid about what?

 On 10/28/13 7:04 AM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why is adobe being so stupid?  That's all I have to wonder...
 
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Maurice Amsellem 
 maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote:
 
  Look at the source code of this page.
 
 
 
 
 http://www.areweflashyet.com/shumway/examples/inspector/inspector.html?rf
 ile=../Box2DFlashAS3/demo.swf
 
  Interesting...
 
  Maurice
 
  -Message d'origine-
  De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsel...@systar.com]
  Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 14:36
  À : dev@flex.apache.org
  Objet : RE: Mozilla takes on Flash
 
  Hi Sebastian,
 
  Thanks for sharing the link.
 
  I believe this is more of a competitor to FlexJS, although Shumway seems
  more aimed at Flash SWFs.
 
  It would be interesting to make comparisons between the two, in terms of
  performance , even if they are not at the same level of completion.
 
  Maurice
 
  -Message d'origine-
  De : Sebastian Mohr [mailto:flex.masul...@gmail.com] Envoyé : lundi 28
  octobre 2013 14:17 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Mozilla takes on
 Flash
 
  Does anyone have an idea what this [1] means to us?
 
  [1]
 
 
 
 http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2013/10/mozilla-takes-on-flash/?goback=%2
 Egde_4296888_member_5797420905202204675#%21
 
 
  --
  Sebastian (PMC)
  Interaction Designer
 
  Looking for a Login
  Examplehttp://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExamplewith
  Apache Flex? This guy loves ... Flash Catalyst CS5.5, the
  DesignerDeveloper Workflow and Design Tools for Apache Flex ... What do
  you love?
 

Re: Mozilla takes on Flash

[Avi Kessner]

1. Interesting to hear that. Never got that impression before.
2. I was thinking of scout, the gaming sdk,  FB, brackets,  webfonts, and
phonegap.
3. Yeah, I don't understand it :-)
On 28 Oct 2013 20:34, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:

 Well, I'm an Adobe employee, but not an official spokesperson, so the
 following is just my personal opinion.

 1) I'm not sure your claims of making no profit is accurate
 2) I'm not sure what developer tools you are referring to, but Adobe is
 definitely all about creatives these days.
 3) FlexJS still uses FB and FP at development time, but otherwise, I'm
 trying to get you off of the Adobe stack too ;-)

 -Alex

 On 10/28/13 10:29 AM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:

 About this whole Flash/Actionscript/Flex debacle.  They destroyed customer
 relations, while continuing to build up the flash player. They make things
 open source, while making the ability to consume it proprietary, and yet
 make no profit from that proprietary technology. (yes I'm aware about the
 licensing issues, but that seems like something that could be worked
 around
 in one way or another)   They buy great web technologies, but then make it
 impossible to integrate them into Flash.  They build developer tools, but
 then advertise to artists instead of developers.  Their actions have
 caused me to want to abandon them as quickly as possible, and that can't
 be
 smart.  I went from regularly talking to 20-30 people about Adobe
 products,
 to maybe 5.
 
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
 
  OK, I'll bite.  Stupid about what?
 
  On 10/28/13 7:04 AM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Why is adobe being so stupid?  That's all I have to wonder...
  
  brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
  and the number 47
  
  
  On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Maurice Amsellem 
  maurice.amsel...@systar.com wrote:
  
   Look at the source code of this page.
  
  
  
  
 
 
 http://www.areweflashyet.com/shumway/examples/inspector/inspector.html?rf
  ile=../Box2DFlashAS3/demo.swf
  
   Interesting...
  
   Maurice
  
   -Message d'origine-
   De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsel...@systar.com]
   Envoyé : lundi 28 octobre 2013 14:36
   À : dev@flex.apache.org
   Objet : RE: Mozilla takes on Flash
  
   Hi Sebastian,
  
   Thanks for sharing the link.
  
   I believe this is more of a competitor to FlexJS, although Shumway
 seems
   more aimed at Flash SWFs.
  
   It would be interesting to make comparisons between the two, in
 terms of
   performance , even if they are not at the same level of completion.
  
   Maurice
  
   -Message d'origine-
   De : Sebastian Mohr [mailto:flex.masul...@gmail.com] Envoyé : lundi
 28
   octobre 2013 14:17 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Mozilla takes on
  Flash
  
   Does anyone have an idea what this [1] means to us?
  
   [1]
  
  
  
 
 
 http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2013/10/mozilla-takes-on-flash/?goback=%2
  Egde_4296888_member_5797420905202204675#%21
  
  
   --
   Sebastian (PMC)
   Interaction Designer
  
   Looking for a Login
   Examplehttp://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExamplewith
   Apache Flex? This guy loves ... Flash Catalyst CS5.5, the
   DesignerDeveloper Workflow and Design Tools for Apache Flex ...
 What do
   you love?
  
 
 

Re: Apache Flex depends on Adobe Flex SDK 4.6.0 to make SDK for IDE

[Avi Kessner]

It wasn't official marketing or buggy code.  The problem was the
non-official marketing.  I.e. , Adobe's CEO and other decision makers
deciding to abandon Flash and to give mixed messages to companies as to
whether or not it would continue to be supported and how.

They would rather people buy their products for a solution that doesn't
always work, rather than support a working system that they believe will no
longer be needed once their new products become popular enough.

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 2:15 PM, bryan hunt sentimental.br...@gmail.comwrote:

 Release notes == plain text

 Reason for loss of Flash/Flex market share, not marketing, because
 there was plenty of that - messy, inconsistent, amateur platform,
 tools, and buggy runtime.

 Has anyone in Adobe middle management every actually worked as a
 developer, or is that something they look down on?

RE: Migration from Adobe Flex 4.0 to Apache Flex 4.10

[Avi Kessner]

I think flex 3
On 23 Oct 2013 09:07, Seema Makkar seema.mak...@aricent.com wrote:

 Hello,

 What is the base version of Adobe Flex from which we migrate to Apache
 Flex latest version.

 Thanks,
 Seema

 -Original Message-
 From: Justin Mclean [mailto:jus...@classsoftware.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 10:44 AM
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Migration from Adobe Flex 4.0 to Apache Flex 4.10

 Hi,

 Also:
 http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-builder/release-note/flex-4-6-sdk-release.html

 Justin





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Re: Flex is doing good!

[Avi Kessner]

I'm a bit perplexed by the notion that inkscape can help someone correct
CSS percentages, or x,y values for flex components when the border gets
drawn on the outside of the boundaries or on the center of it, or when a
half pixel gets rounded up vs rounded down.

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Nick Collins ndcoll...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would be interested to know what you are doing that you can't accomplish
 with Gimp and Inkscape (since free seems to be high on your priority list).

 Personally, from my perspective if this is something you are doing
 professionally, you need to invest in your tools. Same as does a carpenter,
 a mechanic, etc.

 The base tool can be a FOSS application, but then invest in writing your
 own plugins and extensions to enhance your workflow and meet your needs.

 - Nick


 On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Eric eh.fx...@gmail.com wrote:

  I've already beaten this horse before, but I have to wonder if the lack
 of
  a first class + free design view tool is also a significant factor. I
 know
  that for us, it's a primary factor.  We don't want to risk losing the
  capability for doing major UI redesigns or tweaks for our production
 stuff,
  and don't want to be in the business of having to change component
  sizes/coords in code and then navigate the application to see how it
 looks.
 
  Maybe I should build a demo interface which illustrates why this is so
  important to us, and to see if we just have rare requirements.
 
  A poll (preferably one using multi-select checkboxes, not radiobutton)
  asking why devs haven't switched yet would be interesting if it can reach
  enough of the right people.  I'd suspect the main reason is no need,
 and
  possibly custom component support (a factor for us too with some Flextras
  stuff), but other than that I'm not sure.
 
  -Eric
 
 
  On 10/4/2013 10:09 AM, Rushme Nayak wrote:
 
  really good news :)
 
 
  http://blog.jetbrains.com/**idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-**
  doing-quick-start-guides-and-**tutorials/
 http://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2013/10/how-is-flex-doing-quick-start-guides-and-tutorials/
 
 
 
 

Re: Flex Mobile DataGrid donation submission

[Avi Kessner]

I remember a vote for swiz cause of the nature of swiz, (being a sort of
framework)  but i don't remember a vote for flexunit.
On 24 Sep 2013 20:19, Jeffry Houser jef...@dot-com-it.com wrote:

 On 9/24/2013 12:14 PM, Frédéric THOMAS wrote:

 Yes, indeed, not all components are accepted.

 Do you know if it needs a lazy or a formal vote ?


  I thought we just needed a vote for releases; not for donations?


 --
 Jeffry Houser
 Technical Entrepreneur
 http://www.jeffryhouser.com
 203-379-0773

Re: [OT] Future of plugins on Chrome

[Avi Kessner]

Does this mean we can't debug in chrome?
On 25 Sep 2013 02:52, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:

 Hi,

  one of the sub articles had some people asking questions about the
 debugger.
 Yep that still an issue.

 Justin

Re: FlexUnit License

[Avi Kessner]

He may be also able to provide a more recent version of Mockolate.

Wow, awesome!
These should definitely go in the release notes when we have a chance.

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.comwrote:

 Hi,

  Hamcrest looks like BSD, Mockolate looks like MIT.

 I spoke to Drew (developer of said libraries) and he confirmed:
 Hamcrest-AS3 is BSD, same as Hamcrest for Java. Mockolate is MIT license.
 

 He may be also able to provide a more recent version of Mockolate.

 Thanks,
 Justin

Re: Scale-9 Design Tools for FXG files in Apache Flex

[Avi Kessner]

We used to use scale 9 on vector graphics all the time, especially with
rounded rectangles
On 16 Sep 2013 22:42, Sebastian Mohr flex.masul...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Om  Alex ... I'll consider your advices when working on the issue
 tomorrow :)


 On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:51 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala
 bigosma...@gmail.comwrote:

  Here is a very good set of instructions on how to build and use FXG skins
  [1].  Apparently you can edit FXG using the design view of Flash Builder
  (not sure which version you tried)
 
  From the article, here are the restrictions when using scalegrids in FXG.
  Do you have any of these in your skins?
 
  =
  Scale grid
 
  Scale grids have some limitations that must be considered when designing
  graphics using FXG.
 
  Scale grid values must be inside the boundaries of the graphic and must
 not
  overlap (that is, left boundary  scaleGridLeft  scaleGridRight  right
  boundary).
 
  Scale grids will not work if the graphic contains any Group elements.
 
  Scale grids will not work if elements have alpha applied. Instead, apply
  alpha to the stroke and fill elements.
  =
 
 
  [1] http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flex/articles/mobile-skinning-part1.html
 
 
  On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:43 AM, OmPrakash Muppirala
  bigosma...@gmail.comwrote:
 
   On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:
  
   I don't know much about the rules for scaleGrid and skins.  I haven't
   spent any time in that area.
  
   But again, Path and Text are still vectors.  You shouldn't need
  scaleGrid
   to scale them.
  
   -Alex
  
  
   Even though they are vectors, they are built for a particular form
   factor.  When using it the user might want to use it in a different
 form
   factor but still expect it to scale correctly. We do that a lot in the
  Flex
   Mobile skins, ex. [1]
  
   Thanks,
   Om
  
   [1]
  
 
 https://fisheye6.atlassian.com/browse/~br=develop/flex-sdk/frameworks/projects/mobiletheme/src/spark/skins/mobile160/assets/Button_down.fxg?hb=true
  
  
  
  
   On 9/16/13 10:17 AM, Sebastian Mohr flex.masul...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   Thanks for your reply ... I wanted to use these attributes for a
 bunch
  of
   vector s:Button / skins like ...
   
   s:SparkSkin scaleGridLeft=22 scaleGridRight=48 scaleGridTop=0
   scaleGridBottom=47 /
   
   Inside are a number of s:Path / and s:Richtext / that I have
  created
   with Flash Catalyst CS5.5.
   
   for the moment I get this error:
   Error: ScaleGrid properties can not be set on this Group since at
 least
   one
   child element is a DisplayObject.
   
   Wouldn't this be possible? Thanks.
   
   --
   Sebastian (PPMC)
   Interaction Designer
   
   Looking for a Login Example with Apache Flex? Please check out this
  code:
   http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExample
   
   
   
   On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com
 wrote:
   
Why do you want to scale vector graphics via scale9?
   
On 9/16/13 5:09 AM, Sebastian Mohr flex.masul...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   
Just wanted to know if you have a recommendation what would be the
quickest
way to add scale-9 information to FXG files. For PNG files I
 usually
   use
Flex Builder 3 which has a Edit Scale Grid Button in the CSS
 file
Design
View [1], but, for FXG files there seems to be no quick solution.
   Thanks
in advance.

[1]

   
   
  
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Designer++Developer+Too
   l
s#Designer%26DeveloperTools-AdobeFlexBuilder3

--
Sebastian (PPMC)
Interaction Designer

Looking for a Login Example with Apache Flex? Please check out
 this
   code:
http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExample
   
   
  
  
  
 



 --
 Sebastian (PPMC)
 Interaction Designer

 Looking for a Login Example with Apache Flex? Please check out this code:
 http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/LoginExample

Re: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and getAdvancedTelemetry()

[Avi Kessner]

I started getting this error out of the blue.  Any ideas what might be
causing it?

[ERROR] Failed to execute goal
net.flexmojos.oss:flexmojos-maven-plugin:6.0.1:test-run (default-test-run)
on project slots_client_common:* Invalid state: the flashplayer is closed,
but the sockets still running... - *[Help 1]
org.apache.maven.lifecycle.LifecycleExecutionException: Failed to execute
goal net.flexmojos.oss:flexmojos-maven-plugin:6.0.1:test-run
(default-test-run) on project slots_client_common: Invalid state: the
flashplayer is closed, but the sockets still running...
at
org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.MojoExecutor.execute(MojoExecutor.java:217)

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:

 I forgot to mention that from what I can see everything looks correct,
 so I'm guessing there is some small typo or something.
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:
  I would try doing a text comparison between your pom and the one
  posted here, and see if it catches anything.
  I'd do it for you, but outside my git commitsI don't have a good text
  comparison tool.
 
  http://stackoverflow.com/a/18713810/787202
  brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
  and the number 47
 
 
  On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:57 PM, mscharp michael.sch...@fmr.com wrote:
  Thanks Avi, here is what I have defined for the dependencies in my
 build tag, are there more/different dependencies I need to set?
 
  dependencies
  dependency
  groupId${flex.groupId}/groupId
  artifactIdcompiler/artifactId
  version${flex.sdk.version}/version
  typepom/type
  /dependency
  /dependencies
 
  Thanks
 
  From: Avi Kessner [via Apache Flex Development] [mailto:
 ml-node+s247n29608...@n4.nabble.com]
  Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:32 AM
  To: Scharp, Michael
  Subject: RE: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and
 getAdvancedTelemetry()
 
  You need to overide /set the dependencies in the plugin inside the build
  tags
  On 13 Sep 2013 08:35, mscharp [hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29608i=0 wrote:
 
  I've updated my projects to start building with your 6.0.1 version of
 FM.
   I haven't had a chance to really get into it yet, but the first
 things I'm
  seeing are these warnings.  Any idea why, as I'm building against
  4.10.0.20130801?
 
  [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex:compiler:pom:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing,
  no dependency information available
  Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0.
 CENSORED
  /com/adobe/flex/compiler/mxmlc/4.6.0.23201/mxmlc-4.6.0.23201.pom
  [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:mxmlc:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
  missing, no dependency information available
  Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0.
 CENSORED
  /com/adobe/flex/compiler/digest/4.6.0.23201/digest-4.6.0.23201.pom
  [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:digest:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
  missing, no dependency information available
  Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0.
 CENSORED
 
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/optimizer/4.6.0.23201/optimizer-4.6.0.23201.pom
  [WARNING] The POM for
 com.adobe.flex.compiler:optimizer:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
  missing, no dependency information available
  Downloading: https://repo.CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
  /com/adobe/flex/compiler/asdoc/4.6.0.23201/asdoc-4.6.0.23201.pom
  [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:asdoc:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
  missing, no dependency information available
  Downloading:
 
 https://repo.CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0.CENSORED/com/adobe/flex/compiler/swcdepends/4.6.0.23201/swcdepends-4.6.0.23201.pom
  [WARNING] The POM for
 com.adobe.flex.compiler:swcdepends:jar:4.6.0.23201
  is missing, no dependency information available
 
  I can post poms if it helps.
 
  On a the issue of the RSLs, I have them working and I will post what I
  have online so that anyone else wondering will have something to help
 them
  if needed.
 
  Michael
 
  From: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29608i=1
 [via Apache Flex Development] [mailto:
  [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29608i=2]
  Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:32 AM
  To: Scharp, Michael
  Subject: AW: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and
  getAdvancedTelemetry()
 
  I would expect the thing to blow up in my face ... yes :-)
 
  Cause you would be mixing different Versions of libs ... I don't think
  that would be a good idea.
  If you however want to use a library (swc/rsl) however that should be
  possible as Long as the rsl/swc doesn't rely on changed API. But if
 you are
  talking about modules in the same maven build, I would stronly suggest

Re: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and getAdvancedTelemetry()

[Avi Kessner]

I would try doing a text comparison between your pom and the one
posted here, and see if it catches anything.
I'd do it for you, but outside my git commitsI don't have a good text
comparison tool.

http://stackoverflow.com/a/18713810/787202
brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:57 PM, mscharp michael.sch...@fmr.com wrote:
 Thanks Avi, here is what I have defined for the dependencies in my build tag, 
 are there more/different dependencies I need to set?

 dependencies
 dependency
 groupId${flex.groupId}/groupId
 artifactIdcompiler/artifactId
 version${flex.sdk.version}/version
 typepom/type
 /dependency
 /dependencies

 Thanks

 From: Avi Kessner [via Apache Flex Development] 
 [mailto:ml-node+s247n29608...@n4.nabble.com]
 Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:32 AM
 To: Scharp, Michael
 Subject: RE: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and 
 getAdvancedTelemetry()

 You need to overide /set the dependencies in the plugin inside the build
 tags
 On 13 Sep 2013 08:35, mscharp [hidden 
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29608i=0 wrote:

 I've updated my projects to start building with your 6.0.1 version of FM.
  I haven't had a chance to really get into it yet, but the first things I'm
 seeing are these warnings.  Any idea why, as I'm building against
 4.10.0.20130801?

 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex:compiler:pom:4.6.0.23201 is missing,
 no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/mxmlc/4.6.0.23201/mxmlc-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:mxmlc:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/digest/4.6.0.23201/digest-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:digest:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/optimizer/4.6.0.23201/optimizer-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:optimizer:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo.CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/asdoc/4.6.0.23201/asdoc-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:asdoc:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading:
 https://repo.CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0.CENSORED/com/adobe/flex/compiler/swcdepends/4.6.0.23201/swcdepends-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:swcdepends:jar:4.6.0.23201
 is missing, no dependency information available

 I can post poms if it helps.

 On a the issue of the RSLs, I have them working and I will post what I
 have online so that anyone else wondering will have something to help them
 if needed.

 Michael

 From: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29608i=1 [via 
 Apache Flex Development] [mailto:
 [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29608i=2]
 Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:32 AM
 To: Scharp, Michael
 Subject: AW: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and
 getAdvancedTelemetry()

 I would expect the thing to blow up in my face ... yes :-)

 Cause you would be mixing different Versions of libs ... I don't think
 that would be a good idea.
 If you however want to use a library (swc/rsl) however that should be
 possible as Long as the rsl/swc doesn't rely on changed API. But if you are
 talking about modules in the same maven build, I would stronly suggest not
 to try that.

 Chris

 
 Von: Avi Kessner [[hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=0]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. September 2013 18:24
 An: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=1
 Betreff: Re: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and
 getAdvancedTelemetry()

 If one pom file in a project uses FM 6 and another uses 3 would you expect
 that to cause conflicts?
 On 12 Sep 2013 19:19, [hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=2 [hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=3
 wrote:

  Well actually FM should build your application with any mavenized FDK you
  throw at it. Unless something has changed in more recent Versions of
 Apache
  Flex. FM automatically uses the Compiler Version it was compiled agains,
 if
  you don't explicitly fix a Version by using the plugin dependency.
  Otherwise you're free to use whatever Version you like.
 
  The benefit of signed RSLs was even bigger (in my oppinion). As the Flex
  RSLs for an application were only loaded once no matter what URL you
  visited and it usually even survived a Cache cleanup

Re: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and getAdvancedTelemetry()

[Avi Kessner]

I forgot to mention that from what I can see everything looks correct,
so I'm guessing there is some small typo or something.
brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:
 I would try doing a text comparison between your pom and the one
 posted here, and see if it catches anything.
 I'd do it for you, but outside my git commitsI don't have a good text
 comparison tool.

 http://stackoverflow.com/a/18713810/787202
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:57 PM, mscharp michael.sch...@fmr.com wrote:
 Thanks Avi, here is what I have defined for the dependencies in my build 
 tag, are there more/different dependencies I need to set?

 dependencies
 dependency
 groupId${flex.groupId}/groupId
 artifactIdcompiler/artifactId
 version${flex.sdk.version}/version
 typepom/type
 /dependency
 /dependencies

 Thanks

 From: Avi Kessner [via Apache Flex Development] 
 [mailto:ml-node+s247n29608...@n4.nabble.com]
 Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:32 AM
 To: Scharp, Michael
 Subject: RE: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and 
 getAdvancedTelemetry()

 You need to overide /set the dependencies in the plugin inside the build
 tags
 On 13 Sep 2013 08:35, mscharp [hidden 
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29608i=0 wrote:

 I've updated my projects to start building with your 6.0.1 version of FM.
  I haven't had a chance to really get into it yet, but the first things I'm
 seeing are these warnings.  Any idea why, as I'm building against
 4.10.0.20130801?

 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex:compiler:pom:4.6.0.23201 is missing,
 no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/mxmlc/4.6.0.23201/mxmlc-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:mxmlc:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/digest/4.6.0.23201/digest-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:digest:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/optimizer/4.6.0.23201/optimizer-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:optimizer:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo.CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/asdoc/4.6.0.23201/asdoc-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:asdoc:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading:
 https://repo.CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0.CENSORED/com/adobe/flex/compiler/swcdepends/4.6.0.23201/swcdepends-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:swcdepends:jar:4.6.0.23201
 is missing, no dependency information available

 I can post poms if it helps.

 On a the issue of the RSLs, I have them working and I will post what I
 have online so that anyone else wondering will have something to help them
 if needed.

 Michael

 From: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29608i=1 [via 
 Apache Flex Development] [mailto:
 [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29608i=2]
 Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:32 AM
 To: Scharp, Michael
 Subject: AW: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and
 getAdvancedTelemetry()

 I would expect the thing to blow up in my face ... yes :-)

 Cause you would be mixing different Versions of libs ... I don't think
 that would be a good idea.
 If you however want to use a library (swc/rsl) however that should be
 possible as Long as the rsl/swc doesn't rely on changed API. But if you are
 talking about modules in the same maven build, I would stronly suggest not
 to try that.

 Chris

 
 Von: Avi Kessner [[hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=0]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. September 2013 18:24
 An: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=1
 Betreff: Re: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and
 getAdvancedTelemetry()

 If one pom file in a project uses FM 6 and another uses 3 would you expect
 that to cause conflicts?
 On 12 Sep 2013 19:19, [hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=2 [hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=3
 wrote:

  Well actually FM should build your application with any mavenized FDK you
  throw at it. Unless something has changed in more recent Versions of
 Apache
  Flex. FM automatically uses the Compiler Version it was compiled agains,
 if
  you don't explicitly fix a Version by using the plugin dependency

Re: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and getAdvancedTelemetry()

[Avi Kessner]

If one pom file in a project uses FM 6 and another uses 3 would you expect
that to cause conflicts?
On 12 Sep 2013 19:19, christofer.d...@c-ware.de christofer.d...@c-ware.de
wrote:

 Well actually FM should build your application with any mavenized FDK you
 throw at it. Unless something has changed in more recent Versions of Apache
 Flex. FM automatically uses the Compiler Version it was compiled agains, if
 you don't explicitly fix a Version by using the plugin dependency.
 Otherwise you're free to use whatever Version you like.

 The benefit of signed RSLs was even bigger (in my oppinion). As the Flex
 RSLs for an application were only loaded once no matter what URL you
 visited and it usually even survived a Cache cleanup. As soon as a SWZ was
 loaded, the Flashplayer sort of installed it locally and as soon as an
 application needed it again, it simply loaded it without having to download
 it again.

 The reason for you having to explicitly list every dependency that Needs a
 non-Default scope, is mavens inability to overload scopes. So the framworks
 master pom has normal dependencies to it's libs and if you simply reference
 that, you wouldn't utilize the shared-lib concept of RSLs but use normal
 SWCs for compilation, resulting in a way bigger Output file. So if you want
 to migrate your Project to Apache Flex you have to replace every Caching
 scope with rsl.

 Chris


 
 Von: mscharp [michael.sch...@fmr.com]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. September 2013 18:03
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: RE: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and
 getAdvancedTelemetry()

 Thanks for the responses Chris.  Yeah, FM is a beast to build.  I can't
 say enough Thank Yous for taking over the project.

 So, my understanding was that FM had to be built against the version of
 the FDK you wanted to use.  I'm assuming this is incorrect.  Has anyone
 tried using FM 6.0.1 with the 4.10 FDK?  My only question with it having to
 do with the getAdvancedTelemetry() function that I had to add to the FM
 source code.

 As far as the RSLs, I read in the release notes that they aren't signed,
 and that it only make sense to use RSLs if you are serving multiple flex
 applications from the same domain... which we are.  So, previously in our
 pom files we had:

  dependency

 groupIdcom.adobe.flex.framework/groupId

 artifactIdframework/artifactId

 version${flex.sdk.version}/version
 typeswc/type
 scopecaching/scope
 /dependency
 dependency

 groupIdcom.adobe.flex.framework/groupId

 artifactIdtextLayout/artifactId

 version${flex.sdk.version}/version
 typeswc/type
 scopecaching/scope
 /dependency
 dependency

 groupIdcom.adobe.flex.framework/groupId

 artifactIdcharts/artifactId

 version${flex.sdk.version}/version
 typeswc/type
 scopecaching/scope
 /dependency
 dependency

 groupIdcom.adobe.flex.framework/groupId

 artifactIdrpc/artifactId

 version${flex.sdk.version}/version
 typeswc/type
 scopecaching/scope
 /dependency
 dependency

 groupIdcom.adobe.flex.framework/groupId
 artifactIdmx/artifactId

 version${flex.sdk.version}/version
 typeswc/type
 scopecaching/scope
 /dependency
 dependency

 groupIdcom.adobe.flex.framework/groupId

 artifactIdadvancedgrids/artifactId

 version${flex.sdk.version}/version
 typeswc/type
 scopecaching/scope
 /dependency
 dependency

 groupIdcom.adobe.flex.framework/groupId

 artifactIdspark/artifactId

 version${flex.sdk.version}/version
 typeswc/type
 scopecaching/scope
 /dependency
 dependency

 groupIdcom.adobe.flex.framework/groupId

 artifactIdsparkskins/artifactId

 version${flex.sdk.version}/version
 typeswc/type
 scopecaching/scope
 /dependency
 

RE: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and getAdvancedTelemetry()

[Avi Kessner]

You need to overide /set the dependencies in the plugin inside the build
tags
On 13 Sep 2013 08:35, mscharp michael.sch...@fmr.com wrote:

 I've updated my projects to start building with your 6.0.1 version of FM.
  I haven't had a chance to really get into it yet, but the first things I'm
 seeing are these warnings.  Any idea why, as I'm building against
 4.10.0.20130801?

 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex:compiler:pom:4.6.0.23201 is missing,
 no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/mxmlc/4.6.0.23201/mxmlc-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:mxmlc:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/digest/4.6.0.23201/digest-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:digest:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo. CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/optimizer/4.6.0.23201/optimizer-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:optimizer:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading: https://repo.CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0. CENSORED
 /com/adobe/flex/compiler/asdoc/4.6.0.23201/asdoc-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:asdoc:jar:4.6.0.23201 is
 missing, no dependency information available
 Downloading:
 https://repo.CENSORED.com/content/groups/level0.CENSORED/com/adobe/flex/compiler/swcdepends/4.6.0.23201/swcdepends-4.6.0.23201.pom
 [WARNING] The POM for com.adobe.flex.compiler:swcdepends:jar:4.6.0.23201
 is missing, no dependency information available

 I can post poms if it helps.

 On a the issue of the RSLs, I have them working and I will post what I
 have online so that anyone else wondering will have something to help them
 if needed.

 Michael

 From: christofer.d...@c-ware.de [via Apache Flex Development] [mailto:
 ml-node+s247n29598...@n4.nabble.com]
 Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 10:32 AM
 To: Scharp, Michael
 Subject: AW: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and
 getAdvancedTelemetry()

 I would expect the thing to blow up in my face ... yes :-)

 Cause you would be mixing different Versions of libs ... I don't think
 that would be a good idea.
 If you however want to use a library (swc/rsl) however that should be
 possible as Long as the rsl/swc doesn't rely on changed API. But if you are
 talking about modules in the same maven build, I would stronly suggest not
 to try that.

 Chris

 
 Von: Avi Kessner [[hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=0]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. September 2013 18:24
 An: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=1
 Betreff: Re: AW: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and
 getAdvancedTelemetry()

 If one pom file in a project uses FM 6 and another uses 3 would you expect
 that to cause conflicts?
 On 12 Sep 2013 19:19, [hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=2 [hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=3
 wrote:

  Well actually FM should build your application with any mavenized FDK you
  throw at it. Unless something has changed in more recent Versions of
 Apache
  Flex. FM automatically uses the Compiler Version it was compiled agains,
 if
  you don't explicitly fix a Version by using the plugin dependency.
  Otherwise you're free to use whatever Version you like.
 
  The benefit of signed RSLs was even bigger (in my oppinion). As the Flex
  RSLs for an application were only loaded once no matter what URL you
  visited and it usually even survived a Cache cleanup. As soon as a SWZ
 was
  loaded, the Flashplayer sort of installed it locally and as soon as an
  application needed it again, it simply loaded it without having to
 download
  it again.
 
  The reason for you having to explicitly list every dependency that Needs
 a
  non-Default scope, is mavens inability to overload scopes. So the
 framworks
  master pom has normal dependencies to it's libs and if you simply
 reference
  that, you wouldn't utilize the shared-lib concept of RSLs but use normal
  SWCs for compilation, resulting in a way bigger Output file. So if you
 want
  to migrate your Project to Apache Flex you have to replace every Caching
  scope with rsl.
 
  Chris
 
 
  
  Von: mscharp [[hidden
 email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=4]
  Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. September 2013 18:03
  An: [hidden email]/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=29598i=5
  Betreff: RE: FlexMojos 6, Flex sdk 4.10.0.20130801, and
  getAdvancedTelemetry()
 
  Thanks for the responses Chris.  Yeah, FM is a beast to build.  I can't
  say enough Thank Yous for taking over the project.
 
  So, my understanding was that FM had to be built against

Re: multi threaded for datagrid component rendering

[Avi Kessner]

Shouldn't we be able to send layout calculations to the workers and have
them return the final data for the renderer?
On 11 Sep 2013 22:11, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:



 On 9/11/13 11:51 AM, Jack Yu j...@appcomputing.com wrote:

 possible we can have 2 or more thread inside the main rendering? so that
 it
 doesn't share with other workers, but has multiple workers inside the
 datagrid rendering
 AFAIK, there is only one rendering thread.

 Often, the best thing to do is optimize your item renderers.

 -Alex

Re: UI Designer (Design View replacement)

[Avi Kessner]

Sounds like a conversation from 15 years ago about code completion in ides
On 4 Sep 2013 13:21, Swen van Zanten f...@hdsign.nl wrote:

 I think design view is a nice feature for the starting developers. For
 those who know what there doing design view is not needed.
 A design view would be a nice step 1 and for those hello worlds, but
 really learning all the code is much better and efficient.

 Before FB 4.7 was released I used the design view in 4.6 quite a lot, I
 did some things in code. When 4.7 released I switched and I haven't used
 design view in ages.
 Also the learning process increased after then.

 Regards,

 SWEN VAN ZANTEN
 Hoofdstraat 160
 2171 BL, Sassenheim

 Op 4 sep. 2013, om 10:31 heeft aYo ~ a...@binitie.com het volgende
 geschreven:

  I think the design view does have its place. True I moved on to projects
  where the design view was never used but there were times it was
  indispensable for rapid prototyping
 
  aYo
  www.ayobinitie.com
  mrbinitie.blogspot.com

RE: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

[Avi Kessner]

Why does it need maven 3.4? Currently intellij doesn't work nicely with
flex and maven greater than 3.05 and flashbuilder doesn't work well with
maven  at all :-)
On 4 Sep 2013 14:16, Frédéric THOMAS webdoubl...@hotmail.com wrote:

 @Om, would you be ok to work on implementing the graphic part ?

 I already did a mockup [1] and can give you karma to change it.

 I've still got 3 main phases to implement on my side:
 - Maven detection
 - Process user choice
 - Error detection

 -Fred

 [1] https://moqups.com/DoubleFx/X9DUamMP/

Re: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

[Avi Kessner]

Are you certain about this?  In my local repository I have the following:

com/adobe/flex/framework/spark/4.1.0.16248/spark-4.1.0.16248-en_US.rb.swc

and

com/adobe/flex/framework/spark/4.6.0.23201/spark-4.6.0.23201-en_US.rb.swc

Maybe it's because I mavenzided them and then copied the directories
over manually?
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and the number 47


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Frédéric THOMAS webdoubl...@hotmail.com wrote:
 At the moment, I see one limitation: Only one FDK_VERSION .BUILD_DATE can 
 be uploaded to the Maven repository (remote or local).

 Example: 4.10.0.20130801 or 4.10.0-SNAPSHOT for the nightly builds

 What does it mean ?
 If the user run the installer several times to have local system installs of 
 the SDK with different FP version / AIR version, that's not a problem as 
 today but at mavenization time, if it choose LOCAL or REMOTE, if he has a 
 previous version with other FP version / AIR version, this one will be 
 overrided.

 I can't use the Maven qualifiers to bypass that limitation because the 
 qualifiers are already used for some other artifacts (theme and localized 
 artifacts).

 Any suggestions ?

 -Fred

 -Message d'origine-
 De : OmPrakash Muppirala (JIRA) [mailto:j...@apache.org]
 Envoyé : mardi 3 septembre 2013 01:13
 À : iss...@flex.apache.org
 Objet : [jira] [Assigned] (FLEX-33695) Add Mavenizer functionality to 
 Installer


  [ 
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33695?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel
  ]

 OmPrakash Muppirala reassigned FLEX-33695:
 --

 Assignee: Frédéric THOMAS  (was: OmPrakash Muppirala)

 Assigning to Fred as per his request.

 Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer
 

 Key: FLEX-33695
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33695
 Project: Apache Flex
  Issue Type: Improvement
  Components: Installer
Reporter: OmPrakash Muppirala
Assignee: Frédéric THOMAS



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Re: Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer

[Avi Kessner]

Also I have

com/adobe/flex/framework/spark/4.1.0.16076/spark-4.1.0.16076-en_US.rb.swc
brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are you certain about this?  In my local repository I have the following:

 com/adobe/flex/framework/spark/4.1.0.16248/spark-4.1.0.16248-en_US.rb.swc

 and

 com/adobe/flex/framework/spark/4.6.0.23201/spark-4.6.0.23201-en_US.rb.swc

 Maybe it's because I mavenzided them and then copied the directories
 over manually?
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Frédéric THOMAS webdoubl...@hotmail.com 
 wrote:
 At the moment, I see one limitation: Only one FDK_VERSION .BUILD_DATE 
 can be uploaded to the Maven repository (remote or local).

 Example: 4.10.0.20130801 or 4.10.0-SNAPSHOT for the nightly builds

 What does it mean ?
 If the user run the installer several times to have local system installs of 
 the SDK with different FP version / AIR version, that's not a problem as 
 today but at mavenization time, if it choose LOCAL or REMOTE, if he has a 
 previous version with other FP version / AIR version, this one will be 
 overrided.

 I can't use the Maven qualifiers to bypass that limitation because the 
 qualifiers are already used for some other artifacts (theme and localized 
 artifacts).

 Any suggestions ?

 -Fred

 -Message d'origine-
 De : OmPrakash Muppirala (JIRA) [mailto:j...@apache.org]
 Envoyé : mardi 3 septembre 2013 01:13
 À : iss...@flex.apache.org
 Objet : [jira] [Assigned] (FLEX-33695) Add Mavenizer functionality to 
 Installer


  [ 
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33695?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel
  ]

 OmPrakash Muppirala reassigned FLEX-33695:
 --

 Assignee: Frédéric THOMAS  (was: OmPrakash Muppirala)

 Assigning to Fred as per his request.

 Add Mavenizer functionality to Installer
 

 Key: FLEX-33695
 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33695
 Project: Apache Flex
  Issue Type: Improvement
  Components: Installer
Reporter: OmPrakash Muppirala
Assignee: Frédéric THOMAS



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Re: UI Designer (Design View replacement)

[Avi Kessner]

Not every project is large. Some projects don't even require dynamic
data.   This is what used to be compelling about flex/flash.   It used to
be 'quick' for any sized project.

It saddens me that I have to keep 4.6 around just for that one feature.
On 4 Sep 2013 05:31, Nick Collins ndcoll...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would respectfully disagree. Every Flex engineer worth their salt that I
 have ever worked with dumped the design view after about week 3 of learning
 Flex.

 Typically after that point when you start integrating your code with real
 live data sources that are driving your UI the design view rapidly becomes
 worthless. You start drawing your UI dynamically based on the data that is
 provided, learn that the demos they do with data binding will never be used
 in the real world because of the performance hits you get by just putting a
 [Bindable] on everything without custom events tied to them, etc. and the
 design view would just fall apart with those real world scenarios.


 On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Eric eh.fx...@gmail.com wrote:

  I wasn't able to find anything recent about a UI design tool for Apache
  Flex.  There seemed to be some discussion of this awhile back, but how
 far
  did it get?  Are there any links to a project or source?  Sorry if this
 has
  been brought up 100 times already.  I think a tool like this will be
  crucial (in the enterprise space) to help power the widespread adoption
  that Falcon will hopefully bring.
 

Re: Problems running Mavenizer

[Avi Kessner]

When I ran it I had problems with the / or \ I had to play with them for it
to actually run and not quit to prompt.
On 2 Sep 2013 10:58, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am following the README from here:

 https://fisheye6.atlassian.com/browse/flex-utilities/mavenizer/README.txt?hb=true

 A couple of problems:

 1.  The README needs to be updated to reflect the fact that a third
 parameter is required: use-apache-gid
 2.  When I run it in this format:


 C:\p\flex_os\workspace\flexroot\git\flex-utilities\mavenizerjava -cp
 target\flex-sdk-converter-1.0.jar SDKGenerator C:\Program Files
 (x86)\Adobe\Adobe Flash Builder 4.6\sdks\ApacheFlex4.10.0
 C:\temp\mavenized true
 or

 C:\p\flex_os\workspace\flexroot\git\flex-utilities\mavenizerjava -cp
 target\flex-sdk-converter-1.0.jar SDKGenerator C:\Program Files
 (x86)\Adobe\Adobe Flash Builder 4.6\sdks\ApacheFlex4.10.0
 C:\temp\mavenized false

 nothing seems to happen.  No error message, no mavenized SDK, it just quits
 silently.

 I even tried copying the Apache Flex SDK to a directory with no spaces,
 still no luck.

 Before I dig in too much, any idea what could be going on here?

 Thanks,
 Om

RE: FlexUnit

[Avi Kessner]

Are any of the mocking frameworks being donated to apache then?  The save
work great, it's just documentation and getting the stack working together
that I feel could be improved.
On 2 Sep 2013 17:45, Michael A. Labriola labri...@digitalprimates.net
wrote:

 Does flexUnit plan on making a mocking framework built in? The
 documentation on Mockolate and other frameworks seems to have just died mid
 devleopment, and the code doesn't match the docs or the forums anymore. :(
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47

 FlexUnit belongs to Apache. You are the plan.

 If you feel like writing a mocking framework, feel free. FlexUnit was
 designed to be agnostic to mocking framework. It works well with any of the
 major choices. I personally do not plan on writing another mocking
 framework at this point.

 Mike

RE: FlexUnit

[Avi Kessner]

Save = swcs.  Stupid autocorrect
On 2 Sep 2013 19:51, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are any of the mocking frameworks being donated to apache then?  The save
 work great, it's just documentation and getting the stack working together
 that I feel could be improved.
 On 2 Sep 2013 17:45, Michael A. Labriola labri...@digitalprimates.net
 wrote:

 Does flexUnit plan on making a mocking framework built in? The
 documentation on Mockolate and other frameworks seems to have just died mid
 devleopment, and the code doesn't match the docs or the forums anymore. :(
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47

 FlexUnit belongs to Apache. You are the plan.

 If you feel like writing a mocking framework, feel free. FlexUnit was
 designed to be agnostic to mocking framework. It works well with any of the
 major choices. I personally do not plan on writing another mocking
 framework at this point.

 Mike

Re: FlexUnit

[Avi Kessner]

Does flexUnit plan on making a mocking framework built in? The
documentation on Mockolate and other frameworks seems to have just
died mid devleopment, and the code doesn't match the docs or the
forums anymore. :(
brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Michael A. Labriola
labri...@digitalprimates.net wrote:
It was 6 now it's 7 still failing :-(

 Okay, the only thing that makes sense though is a mismatch. Possible there 
 are two JDKs on the box, one that is in your JAVA_HOME but another being used 
 for the compilation? I ask because this error is fairly well documented in 
 the Java community for other projects as a version mismatch.

 Mike

Re: AW: AW: FlexUnit

[Avi Kessner]

Just incase it isn't clear, the command line tool requires some user
specific arguments,  so the installer needs to handle that as well
On 30 Aug 2013 10:28, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.com wrote:

On Aug 29, 2013 11:44 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de 
christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:

 Well the poms themselves don't help with the libs. I will probably be
adding functionality to download Adobe stuff after asking for confirmation
by the user as we discussed some months ago as soon as I am picking up on
the new maven plugin. Guess it would be possible to have binary Apache Flex
Releases in public repos. But for now I really like the idea of integrating
the Mavenizer and Deployer into the Installer (You Need that anyway in
order to get a new FDK)

 Chris


I am up for it.  Although I need to admit that most of what you just said
is beyond my understanding.  Let me  propose a route.  Tell me if I am in
the right track.

1.  User accepts all the licenses in the Installer.
2.  Installation completes and SDK (FDK in your terminology) is ready to be
used with an IDE.
3. We show the user an option to Mavenize the SDK.
4. If the user accepts, then we invoke the Mavenizer command-line script.
5.  We show another prompt asking if the user wants to deploy it.
6.  If the user accepts, then we invoke the Deployer command-line script.

Is this acceptable/doable?  This is doable from the Installer point if view.

Thanks,
Om

 
 Von: Alex Harui [aha...@adobe.com]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. August 2013 23:27
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: AW: FlexUnit

 On 8/29/13 8:08 AM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:

 Well the Problem are the Adobe libs ... playerglobal and some others,
 that we are not allowed to publish. There wouldn't be any trouble with
 deploying the rest of the FDK to public repos beyond that, I guess. But
 unfortunately these FDKs would be completeley useless without the missing
 Adobe libs :-(

 Yeah, but I thought we were going to try to put POMs on the Adobe download
 server?  What happened to that plan?

 -Alex

Re: AW: AW: AW: FlexUnit

[Avi Kessner]

I was thinking about the deploy script actually,  sorry I wasn't clear
On 30 Aug 2013 12:44, christofer.d...@c-ware.de christofer.d...@c-ware.de
wrote:

 Well the arguments should be source-directory and target Directory.
 I made the target-directory a Parameter because I didn't want the
 mavenizer to mess with my local repo while developing it. But it should be
 a valid Approach to use the FDK Directory as source and have a look at the
 mavens ~userhome\.m2\settings.xml for the local repo path and if that's not
 available to use the Default of ~userhome\.m2\repository.

 Chris

 
 Von: Avi Kessner [akess...@gmail.com]
 Gesendet: Freitag, 30. August 2013 11:31
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: AW: AW: FlexUnit

 Just incase it isn't clear, the command line tool requires some user
 specific arguments,  so the installer needs to handle that as well
 On 30 Aug 2013 10:28, OmPrakash Muppirala bigosma...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Aug 29, 2013 11:44 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de 
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
 
  Well the poms themselves don't help with the libs. I will probably be
 adding functionality to download Adobe stuff after asking for confirmation
 by the user as we discussed some months ago as soon as I am picking up on
 the new maven plugin. Guess it would be possible to have binary Apache Flex
 Releases in public repos. But for now I really like the idea of integrating
 the Mavenizer and Deployer into the Installer (You Need that anyway in
 order to get a new FDK)
 
  Chris
 

 I am up for it.  Although I need to admit that most of what you just said
 is beyond my understanding.  Let me  propose a route.  Tell me if I am in
 the right track.

 1.  User accepts all the licenses in the Installer.
 2.  Installation completes and SDK (FDK in your terminology) is ready to be
 used with an IDE.
 3. We show the user an option to Mavenize the SDK.
 4. If the user accepts, then we invoke the Mavenizer command-line script.
 5.  We show another prompt asking if the user wants to deploy it.
 6.  If the user accepts, then we invoke the Deployer command-line script.

 Is this acceptable/doable?  This is doable from the Installer point if
 view.

 Thanks,
 Om

  
  Von: Alex Harui [aha...@adobe.com]
  Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. August 2013 23:27
  An: dev@flex.apache.org
  Betreff: Re: AW: FlexUnit
 
  On 8/29/13 8:08 AM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
  christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
 
  Well the Problem are the Adobe libs ... playerglobal and some others,
  that we are not allowed to publish. There wouldn't be any trouble with
  deploying the rest of the FDK to public repos beyond that, I guess. But
  unfortunately these FDKs would be completeley useless without the
 missing
  Adobe libs :-(
 
  Yeah, but I thought we were going to try to put POMs on the Adobe
 download
  server?  What happened to that plan?
 
  -Alex

Re: FlexUnit

[Avi Kessner]

I'm sorry to go off topic, but this is really starting to fustrate me.
 If anyone is able to help me out over at stackOverflow I really
appreciate it!

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18505129/how-do-i-get-flexunit-flexmojos-and-mockolate-to-work-together
brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Cyrill Zadra cyrill.za...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great! .. I pushed my changes always to makeFlexUnitApacheReady. Shall I
 merge those changes also to develop branch and continue to work on this one?

 Cyrill


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Michael A. Labriola 
 labri...@digitalprimates.net wrote:


 In the FlexUnit repo right now there is only a master.

 I am creating a develop branch presently and pushing some changes we made
 to the flexunit tasks to support a URL instead of just a local file when
 executing tests.

 We should just make sure this gets integrated into master before the next
 release.

 Mike

Re: FlexUnit

[Avi Kessner]

Thanks.
I hate that word.. manually.
Is there a more recent version or alternative to mockolate as well?
And is this a multi day or multi hour process to mavenize the FDK?
brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
 Hi,

 Unit testing is a pretty tricky thing in Flexmojos. That's one of the things 
 I am intending on performing the largest changes the the new plugin. But from 
 your question I can see you are using an about 100 year old Version of 
 Flexmojos and Flex. I know I did quite a lot of tweaks and updates in the 
 flexunit Support when we were working on releasing flexunit 4.x. So I would 
 like to ask you to update so a somewhat reasonably new Version of flexmojos 
 ... 6.0.1 would be best ... but Keep in mind that you Need to manually 
 mavenize the FDK you want to use.

 Chris

 
 Von: Avi Kessner [akess...@gmail.com]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. August 2013 09:52
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: FlexUnit

 I'm sorry to go off topic, but this is really starting to fustrate me.
  If anyone is able to help me out over at stackOverflow I really
 appreciate it!

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18505129/how-do-i-get-flexunit-flexmojos-and-mockolate-to-work-together
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Cyrill Zadra cyrill.za...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great! .. I pushed my changes always to makeFlexUnitApacheReady. Shall I
 merge those changes also to develop branch and continue to work on this one?

 Cyrill


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Michael A. Labriola 
 labri...@digitalprimates.net wrote:


 In the FlexUnit repo right now there is only a master.

 I am creating a develop branch presently and pushing some changes we made
 to the flexunit tasks to support a URL instead of just a local file when
 executing tests.

 We should just make sure this gets integrated into master before the next
 release.

 Mike

Re: FlexUnit

[Avi Kessner]

So legally we can't store these sdks for maven publicly?  I see 4.1 is
112MB, yech.
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and the number 47


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
 And I hate lawyers more than manually ;-)

 It's actually a Multi Minute process to Mavenize an FDK as I created the 
 Apache Flex Mavenizer for that (It actually also mavenizes Adobe Flex FDKs) 
 together with the Auto deployer you should have any Flex FDK mavenized and 
 deployed in minutes.

 https://flexmojos.atlassian.net/wiki/display/FLEXMOJOS/Migrating+to+6.x?src=search

 Chris

 
 Von: Avi Kessner [akess...@gmail.com]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. August 2013 12:33
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: FlexUnit

 Thanks.
 I hate that word.. manually.
 Is there a more recent version or alternative to mockolate as well?
 And is this a multi day or multi hour process to mavenize the FDK?
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
 Hi,

 Unit testing is a pretty tricky thing in Flexmojos. That's one of the things 
 I am intending on performing the largest changes the the new plugin. But 
 from your question I can see you are using an about 100 year old Version of 
 Flexmojos and Flex. I know I did quite a lot of tweaks and updates in the 
 flexunit Support when we were working on releasing flexunit 4.x. So I would 
 like to ask you to update so a somewhat reasonably new Version of flexmojos 
 ... 6.0.1 would be best ... but Keep in mind that you Need to manually 
 mavenize the FDK you want to use.

 Chris

 
 Von: Avi Kessner [akess...@gmail.com]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. August 2013 09:52
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: FlexUnit

 I'm sorry to go off topic, but this is really starting to fustrate me.
  If anyone is able to help me out over at stackOverflow I really
 appreciate it!

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18505129/how-do-i-get-flexunit-flexmojos-and-mockolate-to-work-together
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Cyrill Zadra cyrill.za...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great! .. I pushed my changes always to makeFlexUnitApacheReady. Shall I
 merge those changes also to develop branch and continue to work on this one?

 Cyrill


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Michael A. Labriola 
 labri...@digitalprimates.net wrote:


 In the FlexUnit repo right now there is only a master.

 I am creating a develop branch presently and pushing some changes we made
 to the flexunit tasks to support a URL instead of just a local file when
 executing tests.

 We should just make sure this gets integrated into master before the next
 release.

 Mike

Re: FlexUnit

[Avi Kessner]

Oh, and thank you.  mavenizing was very quick and easy , deploying on
the other hand.. (atleast I don't have to do it manually)

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:
 So legally we can't store these sdks for maven publicly?  I see 4.1 is
 112MB, yech.
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
 And I hate lawyers more than manually ;-)

 It's actually a Multi Minute process to Mavenize an FDK as I created the 
 Apache Flex Mavenizer for that (It actually also mavenizes Adobe Flex FDKs) 
 together with the Auto deployer you should have any Flex FDK mavenized and 
 deployed in minutes.

 https://flexmojos.atlassian.net/wiki/display/FLEXMOJOS/Migrating+to+6.x?src=search

 Chris

 
 Von: Avi Kessner [akess...@gmail.com]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. August 2013 12:33
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: FlexUnit

 Thanks.
 I hate that word.. manually.
 Is there a more recent version or alternative to mockolate as well?
 And is this a multi day or multi hour process to mavenize the FDK?
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
 Hi,

 Unit testing is a pretty tricky thing in Flexmojos. That's one of the 
 things I am intending on performing the largest changes the the new plugin. 
 But from your question I can see you are using an about 100 year old 
 Version of Flexmojos and Flex. I know I did quite a lot of tweaks and 
 updates in the flexunit Support when we were working on releasing flexunit 
 4.x. So I would like to ask you to update so a somewhat reasonably new 
 Version of flexmojos ... 6.0.1 would be best ... but Keep in mind that you 
 Need to manually mavenize the FDK you want to use.

 Chris

 
 Von: Avi Kessner [akess...@gmail.com]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. August 2013 09:52
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: FlexUnit

 I'm sorry to go off topic, but this is really starting to fustrate me.
  If anyone is able to help me out over at stackOverflow I really
 appreciate it!

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18505129/how-do-i-get-flexunit-flexmojos-and-mockolate-to-work-together
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Cyrill Zadra cyrill.za...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Great! .. I pushed my changes always to makeFlexUnitApacheReady. Shall I
 merge those changes also to develop branch and continue to work on this 
 one?

 Cyrill


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Michael A. Labriola 
 labri...@digitalprimates.net wrote:


 In the FlexUnit repo right now there is only a master.

 I am creating a develop branch presently and pushing some changes we made
 to the flexunit tasks to support a URL instead of just a local file when
 executing tests.

 We should just make sure this gets integrated into master before the next
 release.

 Mike

Re: AW: FlexUnit

[Avi Kessner]

How large are the adobe libs?   I'd much rather have to manually add a
dependency to a swc or two than have to upload 100MB each time I decide to
switch sdks or set up a project at a new company.
These lawyers certainly are a pain, unless we can convince adobe to have
those on a repo somewhere?
On 29 Aug 2013 18:19, christofer.d...@c-ware.de christofer.d...@c-ware.de
wrote:

 Well the Problem are the Adobe libs ... playerglobal and some others, that
 we are not allowed to publish. There wouldn't be any trouble with deploying
 the rest of the FDK to public repos beyond that, I guess. But unfortunately
 these FDKs would be completeley useless without the missing Adobe libs :-(

 
 Von: Avi Kessner [akess...@gmail.com]
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. August 2013 16:06
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: FlexUnit

 So legally we can't store these sdks for maven publicly?  I see 4.1 is
 112MB, yech.
 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
  And I hate lawyers more than manually ;-)
 
  It's actually a Multi Minute process to Mavenize an FDK as I created the
 Apache Flex Mavenizer for that (It actually also mavenizes Adobe Flex FDKs)
 together with the Auto deployer you should have any Flex FDK mavenized and
 deployed in minutes.
 
 
 https://flexmojos.atlassian.net/wiki/display/FLEXMOJOS/Migrating+to+6.x?src=search
 
  Chris
 
  
  Von: Avi Kessner [akess...@gmail.com]
  Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. August 2013 12:33
  An: dev@flex.apache.org
  Betreff: Re: FlexUnit
 
  Thanks.
  I hate that word.. manually.
  Is there a more recent version or alternative to mockolate as well?
  And is this a multi day or multi hour process to mavenize the FDK?
  brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
  and the number 47
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 1:11 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
  christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
  Hi,
 
  Unit testing is a pretty tricky thing in Flexmojos. That's one of the
 things I am intending on performing the largest changes the the new plugin.
 But from your question I can see you are using an about 100 year old
 Version of Flexmojos and Flex. I know I did quite a lot of tweaks and
 updates in the flexunit Support when we were working on releasing flexunit
 4.x. So I would like to ask you to update so a somewhat reasonably new
 Version of flexmojos ... 6.0.1 would be best ... but Keep in mind that you
 Need to manually mavenize the FDK you want to use.
 
  Chris
 
  
  Von: Avi Kessner [akess...@gmail.com]
  Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. August 2013 09:52
  An: dev@flex.apache.org
  Betreff: Re: FlexUnit
 
  I'm sorry to go off topic, but this is really starting to fustrate me.
   If anyone is able to help me out over at stackOverflow I really
  appreciate it!
 
 
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18505129/how-do-i-get-flexunit-flexmojos-and-mockolate-to-work-together
  brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
  and the number 47
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Cyrill Zadra cyrill.za...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Great! .. I pushed my changes always to makeFlexUnitApacheReady.
 Shall I
  merge those changes also to develop branch and continue to work on
 this one?
 
  Cyrill
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Michael A. Labriola 
  labri...@digitalprimates.net wrote:
 
 
  In the FlexUnit repo right now there is only a master.
 
  I am creating a develop branch presently and pushing some changes we
 made
  to the flexunit tasks to support a URL instead of just a local file
 when
  executing tests.
 
  We should just make sure this gets integrated into master before the
 next
  release.
 
  Mike
 

Re: Flex 4.10.0 Release Status

[Avi Kessner]

I thought I was alone in finding 4.10 confusing.   I think it might be a
good idea to call this 4.9.5 or 5.0
On 27 Jul 2013 07:20, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:



 On 7/26/13 5:51 PM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
  1. Folks using ResourceModules via flashvars will get exceptions.  The
  population affected is small, but enough folks use them that already two
  folks on our dev list have said they are affected.
 But your fix fixes this right?
 Yes
 
  2. The default template for new projects in Flash Builder is incorrect.
  This gives a bad first impression on new users.
 Possible the more serious issue from a perception view anyway. Although
 it the code could be easily fixed in FB (just the number parsing right?)
 it may be difficult for Adobe to do so and release in a timely manner.
 
 Changing the version to 4.9.5 or similar just seems a bit silly. If we
 change flex-description but leave the version number at 4.10 we may run
 into other issues with version compatibility checks in the sdk. While I
 don;t think any for 4.9 or 4.10 have been added there are potential
 issues if we do that.
 
  3. LCDS customers will receive verify errors when using mx.data.DataItem
  and users with custom IList implementations will need to upgrade their
  implementations.
 Do you read the bottom of
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33631? There is a workaround.
 I delete the service from flash builder with all the as files and added
 the service again through the wizard with the same php file.
 Compiled the project and it worked like a charm.
 Yeah, and so I asked for more information because that just doesn't make
 sense to me, plus even if it does work, we need to find out why so we can
 instruct folks who don't have FB.  And then there's all of the other pain
 folks have already warned us with their custom Ilists.  I think the better
 move is to revert.
 
  For #2: The FB code is assuming that versions in
 flex-sdk-description.xml
  are single digits
 
 The parsing reg exp pasted in another thread doesn't look to be the issue.
 
  It contains \\d+ which match for more than one digit. and would parse
 4.10.0 with that expression as 4.10.0, .10.0 and .0.
 OK, I'll keep looking then.  I haven't tried it myself.  Are folks who are
 hitting this using FB 4.7 or FB 4.6?

 -Alex

Re: About Statege3D in Flex

[Avi Kessner]

Other devs at my company who were tasked with looking at playscript
said it wasn't so good.
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and the number 47


On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Arnoud Bos
arn...@artim-interactive.nl wrote:
 Hi,

 Maybe it's also interesting to know that Zynga is creating a new language: 
 Playscript.
 It's based on actionscript3 and C# and could be regarded as Actionscript 4 
 feature wise.
 The compiler is open source and based on mono.

 They also support compiling plain actionscript3 projects to run on mono with 
 their
 compiler modifications.  Or you can compile AOT it via Xamarin plugins to run 
 native. So in effect this is
 removing the dependency on Air for mobile and desktop actionscript projects.

 Now the reason i mention it here is that they plan to support 
 Stage3D/Starling/Away3D/Feathers
 but not the displaylist. So in theory flex, if using stage3d for rendering, 
 could run on mono
 or native without adobe compilers involved if i understand correctly.

 To make this work there's a few things needed:
 * falcon should output actionscript3 / playscript (for mxml support)
 * flex should replace the displaylist with stage3d (maybe starling)
 * the zynga compiler needs to mature

 Seems like a really big effort is needed to pull this off, but i thought i'd 
 mention it for completeness of the discussion.

 Anyway for people interested here's the link:
 http://playscript.github.io

 best, Arnoud




 On 10-07-2013, at 18:38, Carlos Rovira carlosrov...@apache.org wrote:

 Hi,

 from time to time people comes with the desire to see Flex running on
 Stage3D. I would want to recopile all the state of the art info about this
 topic and see if is possible and how much work it would require.

 I know people like J.Campos did two attempts and get valious research from
 that experience. There's things to get into account like accessibility.

 Please could people share in this thread the things they know in order to
 recopile all info? Is there some things to take into account that could
 make Stage3D not possible for Flex? Could we overpass it and make it
 possible? If it would be possible...it will brings real benefits?

 If some work is done in this topic, I'd propose to make focused in this
 particular thing and unlike FlexJS, here I will not try to break
 UIComponent in small parts, or  break compatibility. Even if it could be
 possible to have a global flag like enableStage3D to make our apps run on
 Stage3D if is true or remain in normal display layer, it could be great.

 Thanks in advance for any insight regarding this topic.

 Best

 Carlos

Re: Apache Flex 4.10 test release

[Avi Kessner]

drop air 2.6 support for linux? is that a possibliity for now?
brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Justin Mclean
jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:
 Hi,

 But I think the project would get a lot of positive vibes from the (vocal 
 :-) ) Linux crowd for shipping a Linux installer, even if it's marked as 
 'beta' or 'experimental'
 Couldn't agree more - but we don't have many people who can/are working on 
 it, and that's despite most of the hard work being done.

 Thanks,
 Justin

Re: About Statege3D in Flex

[Avi Kessner]

One thing you need to worry about when using starling is that the
eventdispatcher api is different.   Starling does not allow 'weakl
isteners'  or more accurately,  only allows them. Meaning the method
signature is different.
On 11 Jul 2013 18:27, Carlos Rovira carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com wrote:

 Hi,

 many thanks to all responses. Very useful info, thoughts and discussion.

 As we learn and think about new enhancements and evolutions of the actual
 flex sdk, more difficult is to get viable solutions that make it backwards
 compatible with the existing codebase of flex projects. I'd like the idea
 of actual SDK going Stage3D but I think we would end with a frankenstein
 that breaks compatibility and that will defeat the effort.

 For what you guys sugest here, it seems that the best place to try to get
 Stage3D support is in FlexJS. So we could try to introduce Starling here
 and setup the initial bricks and see how far we reach, due to the fact that
 FlexJS SWF version is already very basic, and hope that the projects that
 Om mentioned would come by the way at some time in the future.

 This will make FlexJS even more desirable since we well get HTML output and
 SWF GPU.

 I'll make more research about this topic in the following weeks as time
 permits and will report if I get something valuable.



 2013/7/10 jude flexcapaci...@gmail.com

  Hi Carlos,
 
  On first and second and third glance there seems to be a couple of ways
 to
  go about this.
 
  1. Replace Flash Display List with Starling Display List at compile time.
  We would create an alternative set of classes that had the same method
 and
  property signature as DisplayObjects and DisplayObjectContainers. Any
  instances where flash.display.DisplayObject was declared would have to be
  replaced by starling.display.DisplayObject. This could be done in the
  compiler and set with a flag.
 
  This may be a lot of work or a 80 / 20 type of thing. Where 80% is free
 off
  the bat and we spend much more time getting the remaining 20%. It depends
  on how much Starling matches API wise. A simple DisplayTree test such as
 Om
  suggested would give an initial idea of the amount of work.
 
  The cons are that it would require compiler work and the classes to match
  1:1. Although, we may be able to do a search and replace of the SWF after
  the fact rather than at compile time. Jangeroo may be doing something
 like
  this for replicating drawing calls on the JavaScript side.
 
  2. Create an abstraction layer for rendering. At startup register the
 class
  you want to use for rendering in the SingletonManager. All visual calls
  would go through that at their last step. The pros are a hot swappable
  rendering layer and possibly little to no compiler work. This would
 require
  tens of thousands of lines of code changes and may introduce complexity
 in
  testing and debugging.
 
  3. Add in a flag at native display list junction points to proxy drawing
 to
  the Starling DisplayList. All display objects are added by addChild call.
  So in the root base class right before native call we check for a
 preferred
  rendering target.
 
  /**
   *  @private
   *  This method allows access to the Player's native implementation
   *  of addChild(), which can be useful since components
   *  can override addChild() and thereby hide the native
 implementation.
   *  Note that this base method is final and cannot be overridden,
   *  so you can count on it to reflect what is happening at the player
  level.
   */
  mx_internal final function
 $addChild(child:DisplayObject):DisplayObject
  {
  return FlexGlobals.toStarling ?
 FlexGlobals.starling.addChild(this,
  child) : super.addChild(child);
  }
 
  The cons to this are many including possibly duplicate display list,
  dispatching events, etc. The graphics calls would also have to be patched
  and have to be done in skins and it's unclear how to handle FXG etc. This
  would be more of a test than a long term solution but would have smaller
  bite size steps and immediate results. I also bring up this option
 because,
  for me, in big projects like this the ability to see small incremental
  results usually inspires me to continue it to the next step.
 
  My two cents
 
  On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Carlos Rovira carlosrov...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
   Hi,
  
   from time to time people comes with the desire to see Flex running on
   Stage3D. I would want to recopile all the state of the art info about
  this
   topic and see if is possible and how much work it would require.
  
   I know people like J.Campos did two attempts and get valious research
  from
   that experience. There's things to get into account like accessibility.
  
   Please could people share in this thread the things they know in order
 to
   recopile all info? Is there some things to take into account that could
   make Stage3D not possible for Flex? Could we overpass it and make it

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

[Avi Kessner]

That's a frustrating  issue, however Adobe just removed tlf and as2 from
CC.   I think we can follow suite and  safely ignore backward
compatibility.   We need the player to be backwards compatible,  not the
codebase.

If a team needs more performance they are not going to be concerned with
backwards compatability in the code IMO.  But the lack of performance
options will cause them to choose another language or framework all
together.
On 2 Jul 2013 16:34, Gary Young flashflex...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it possible to make the backward compatible a branch which only fixes
 bugs, and break UIComponent in another new branch which alway cutting edge?

 Flex Spark is the one architecture, maintaining back compatibility makes it
 not perfect.


 On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote:

 
 
  On 7/1/13 10:15 AM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Why can't we get rid of those 13k line base classes?
  On 1 Jul 2013 20:03, Jonathan Campos jonbcam...@gmail.com wrote:
  We can, but not without breaking backward compatibility or slower
  performance.  In the two attempts I made, you can break UIComponent into
  some 20 sub-components but unless you break backward compatibility, many
  of those sub-components have to be instantiated during the startup phase
  and the extra overhead of calling in and out of the subcomponents slowed
  things down.
 
  That's why FlexJS isn't guaranteeing backward compatibility.  We can take
  those sub-components and load them on-demand at different times.
 
  -Alex
 
 

Re: Are we nerd driven or business realistic driven?

[Avi Kessner]

Why can't we get rid of those 13k line base classes?
On 1 Jul 2013 20:03, Jonathan Campos jonbcam...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:43 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala
 bigosma...@gmail.comwrote:

  So, when folks are saying that Flex does not perform well on mobile, can
  you please post some examples, etc so we can try to figure out what the
  real problems?  As opposed to sweeping statements like Flex mobile sucks,
  etc.
 

 Just as a quick note. I've spent quite a bit of time over the last 2 years
 talking to teams that have had issues with their Flex Mobile apps and they
 all blame Flex for some really bad framerates and they know their code is
 correct.

 The biggest issue I've found is item renderers. Wouldn't you know when I
 switch out their item renderers things seem to move very smoothly and
 almost all their complaints go away. Yes there is still that half-second
 lag for the new View to come in but other than that all the performance
 issues are gone.

 J


 --
 Jonathan Campos

Re: Flex - I’m having an AWFUL time getting this website to work in IE10.

[Avi Kessner]

If swfobject doesn't work, I highly suggest a ie10 user group to help solve
your problem. It sounds like it a ie standards issue and not a flex issue.
On 11 Jun 2013 07:55, Nick Collins ndcoll...@gmail.com wrote:

 My advice, if it's an issue of the SWF not loading, it make sure you're
 using SWFObject to do the embed. Since you're admittedly a novice when it
 comes to Flash-based technologies and embedding them into an HTML page,
 that's the route I would go. If you look on the SWFObject Google code site
 there is even an app you can run that will generate the JavaScript code for
 you so you can just copy and paste it over.

 Nick


 On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:10 PM, aar...@ldm.com wrote:

  Yeah I am a little bit confused I guess it could just be old school flash
  with object tag... But I'm pretty sure that the boss said it used flex a
  few months back..
 
  Would love to learn more about flex.. Is there a flex for dummies
 tutorial
  where I can learn the ropes??
 
  I use dreamweaver for other projects and I really don't know much about
  flash or flex.. But I'm interested in submitting a couple of screenshots
  tomorrow.
 
  Basically there are rumors that we have to run our app in ie8 mode.. But
 I
  just get confused about quirks mode vs comparability mode.
 
  Basically I try to use this ie ten machine today.. we are looking twards
  rolling out ie ten but im having hard time understanding what I need to
 do
  to get it working in ten.
 
  Can't u just run websites in ie8 comparability mode??
 
  It works in ie nine but not ie ten. I don't understand that.. I mean to
  say I don't like it.
 
  So in ten i go to sign into my website via IP address and it just returns
  a simple xsl file and no content.. It's basically just a blank page. But
 it
  works great from another machine.. I've tried fiddling with the request
  headers .. Sorry if I'm using the wrong adjective.
 
  I just can't for the life of me get Internet explorer ten to run this app
  and I put a couple two hours into testing to today..
 
  In the big picture I'm interested in writing some sort of test harness
  that can download reports from our erp automagically and save them to a
 unc
  path... I would be a hero if I could do that.
 
  Technically I'm already a hero .
 
  But we have small IT dept. in Pittsburgh that calls all the shots.. And
  we're probably going to purchase another company in a few months so I'm
  rapidly losing my window of opportunity.
 
  The erp system runs on progress database and we have about twenty percent
  of the data coming out to a data warehouse that is where I come in..
  Long
  term we add more data to dw but short term we need to come up with some
  sort of automation solution to keep this app in scope.
 
  I see a fair amount of web service calls and of course getting any sort
 of
  visibility to the web services would really open a ton of doors for us.
 
  Can someone give me a thirty second over lview of how web services and
  flex and flash interoperate??
 
  Anything I could do sign in programmatically and either download data or
  screen scrape or jam data into web services it would just be crazy how
 many
  doors that would open for us.
 
  We basically have a hosted data silo and it's frustrating as heck that we
  cannot get to our data in some sort of open and honorable ways.
 
  I'm sorry if I'm rambling.. Would be glad to send some screenshots
  tomorrow but it will take a couple of hours before I could generate the
  errors I've been getting that make me think it is using flex...
 
  My bosses boss is way too busy to talk to me about this app... I'm just
  dying to find a wsdl or something along those lines..
 
  I know that about half of the complex data entry forms use flash..
  Sometimes I get error messages and I can't really follow what technology
 it
  is using .. But it looks chock full of flash and web services .. And
 every
  where I turn we have new users with ie comparability problems.. And now
 we
  can't push out windows eight or even server 2012 without being able to
 use
  our erp system from those machines .
 
  I just wish I could somehow look behind the curtains to find out more
  about this app.
 
  We have three proper environments production, day old copy and test.. And
  I'm just dying to get to understand more about this app.
 
  Again sorry for being vague..
 
  My company got purchased in December the parent company that bought us
 had
  only fifteen employees on their corporate office while we had more like
  300.. And the parent company had bought a new company like every twelve
 to
  eighteen months ..
 
  And we're laying off all of our programmers but me so I've just got to
  make some progress to help save our users from mindless data entry.
 
  I think that I'm the only one in our company than really does any webdev
  other than my bosses boss.. But I am sorely out of date myself..
 
  Ideally.. I'd consider using the web browser control in vb in order 

Re: [PROPOSAL] Swiz Framework Donation to Apache Flex

[Avi Kessner]

I don't use swiz but it seems silly to reject a donation because of a fear
of what might happen.  It's easy enough to keep it separate,  and if it's
not supported anywhere projects using it will likely ditch the flex
framework completely
On 28 May 2013 18:49, Carlos Velasco carlos.velasco.bla...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Adding a top level applicaction framework to the APACHE FLEX project
 suitcase will somehow set is as the facto standard accepted framework to
 build applications using the FLEX SDK, or at least will create that
 understanding between developers.

 So I think top level application frameworks must not be hosted by the
 Apache FLEX letting each developer to choose the framework that best suits
 his necessities at every moment. It is a matter of hosting none or hosting
 all to avoid discrimination...




 2013/5/28 Carlos Rovira carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com

  Hi Greg,
 
  other people behind the project are Ben and Brian (maybe more other
  contributions), but all files are behind Apache License 2.0 and seems
  there's no authors specifications so maybe they already agreed with the
  Apache License 2.0, but I'll ask them on the swiz list to get it clear
 
  2013/5/28 Greg Reddin gred...@gmail.com
 
   On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Carlos Rovira 
 carlosrov...@apache.org
   wrote:
  
Hi,
   
I want to propose the donation of Swiz Framework to Apache Flex.
   
  
   This would be awesome in my opinion :-)  Just remember that the
 donation
   process could get complicated if Chris doesn't hold the copyright to
 all
   the code to be donated.
  
   Greg
  
 
 
 
  --
  Carlos Rovira
  Director de Tecnología
  M: +34 607 22 60 05
  F:  +34 912 94 80 80
  http://www.codeoscopic.com
  http://www.directwriter.es
  http://www.avant2.es
 

Re: Flash finally dead?

[Avi Kessner]

Perhaps if it was his own free will causing him to praise Javascript
rather than his new job description.

My friend likes to encourage other people that flash is dying, because
then he gets more business for his studio when there are fewer
developers to compete with.
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and the number 47


On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com wrote:
 It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then you
 know that Flash is in trouble.


 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com

 Hi,

 Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control
 over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the
 ASF works.

 Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on
 the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things
 into perspective?

 http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/

 http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp

 Thanks,
 Justin

Re: Flash finally dead?

[Avi Kessner]

I don't  see it. He has been given the job of getting flash users to use
muse and for him to contribute to web standards. He is still giving a talk
on scout.
On Mar 6, 2013 7:55 AM, Federico Jakimowicz polacof...@outlook.com
wrote:

 After reading Thibault's statements on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197 I
 don't have any other thing to think that he is stating the death hour of
 the FlashPlayer. This is really sad.

Re: Mustella on Amazon EC2

[Avi Kessner]

The point of my link wasn't the ci system but rather the slave builders
which can just be random Pcs in the idle process. (I think)
On Feb 19, 2013 8:18 PM, Christofer Dutz christofer.d...@c-ware.de
wrote:

 Well I guess no matter what ci system, we would need a server for that.
 Apache uses Jenkins. It was just an assumption, that eventually Jetbrains
 could eventually provide us with one, just fit the sake of
 pre-tested-commits and pre-tested-pull-requests. If it was just for the
 nightly build, Jenkins does just fine.

 Chris


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 Am 19. Februar 2013 17:47:01 schrieb Frédéric THOMAS 
 webdoubl...@hotmail.com:

 It doesn't sound to be worthy guys but as soon as will move on git, as
 stated Chris, getting teamcity can maybe do the trick.

 -Fred

 -Message d'origine-
 From: Nicholas Kwiatkowski
 Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:39 PM
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Mustella on Amazon EC2

 Other costs you need to be aware of are S3/EBS storage and bandwidth.
 These could equal the amount of the per-hour charge (or more, in some of
 my cases).  It all depends on how much traffic you are sending, and how
 much you are storing...  If you are pulling full builds each night, that
 could be quite a bit..

 -Nick

 On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl
 wrote:

  From [1]:
 
  Heavy Utilization Reserved Instance (medium size) on a 3 year contract
  would mean something like $600 up front and $0.066 per hour. If we run
  once a day, and it takes 12 hours to run (guessing here), that would
  mean 3*365*12*0.066 = ~ $870. So running the thing for 3 years would
  take something like $1500.
 
  Are there any other costs that this page is neatly hiding (data
  transfer, access)?
 
  If we do a Wikipedia style drive for funds, we should be able to get
  that kind of money together, couldn't we?
 
  EdB
 
  1: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/**pricing/http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/
 
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl
 wrote:
   Anyone with experience care to make a guess what a sufficiently
   powerful instance would cost per month? I for one would be willing to
   donate a couple of dollars (at least) per month to see this happen,
   and I'm sure more people will feel the same way...
  
   EdB
  
  
  
   On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
   christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
   Well I spoke with
   Toan Nguyen
   Enterprise Sales Manager
  
   I have no idea if there is anyone we should better contact.
   All I did was fill out the form on the AWS Sales site. He was the one
  responding to this and this morning we spoke a few minutes.
  
   To me it looked as if Amazon wasn't really willing to provide Medium
  Windows instances free of charge. He claimed that Amazon couldn't go
  around
  giveing away free nodes to everyone (At least this was the essence of
 what
  he told me).
   Eventaully someone else might think differently.
  
   Chris
  
   __**__
   Von: Harbs [gavha...@gmail.com]
   Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Februar 2013 13:47
   An: dev@flex.apache.org
   Betreff: Re: Mustella on Amazon EC2
  
   Did you speak to anyone with authority there, or was it just a canned
  response?
  
   If anyone has a real contact at AWS, the answer might be different. I
  can't imagine it costs them very much to donate some resources to Apache
  Flex… Anyone have a contact there?
  
   I personally use AWS, but not on the scale that I have any real pull…
  
   On Feb 19, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Christofer Dutz wrote:
  
   Well unfortunately I don't have good news :-( just tasked to them
 and
  it seems they don't want to do more than give us their 1 year free
 offer.
  Unfortunately that doesn't cover windows and medium sized instances.
  
   I think a CI nightly build is essential for getting a stable trunk.
  Especially with more and more people contributing and not ruining the
  entire test suite.
  
   Chris
  
  
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   Am 19. Februar 2013 09:04:32 schrieb Om bigosma...@gmail.com:
   Chris,
  
   You are awesome!  I never thought of contacting them and just
 asking
  :-)
  
   Agree with Justin, it needs to be a Windows instance.
  
   Please let me know how I can help.
  
   Thanks,
   Om
   On Feb 18, 2013 11:02 PM, Christofer Dutz 
  christofer.d...@c-ware.de
   wrote:
  
Thanks for that info on the needed platform. The good thing about
  an open
source project is, that anyone could setup a ci-server and build
the
projects trunk. But I'll stick to asking them. We can always
 decide
  on how
we do it a soon as we have something do decide about :-)
   
Chris
   
   
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Am 19. Februar 2013 07:52:15 schrieb Justin Mclean 
jus...@classsoftware.com:
   
Hi,
   

Re: Mustella on Amazon EC2

[Avi Kessner]

Hmm, I have a spare desktop, what is needed to turn it into a ci server? It
has 2gb ram and is about 5 years old.
On Feb 19, 2013 8:25 PM, Om bigosma...@gmail.com wrote:

 The problem with Apache CI is that there are a lot of restrictions.
  Running tests for hours together is not an option.  Moreover, since it is
 a shared environment, the build servers go down a lot and it takes
 weeks/months to get a broken job fixed.

 We need something robust that we can manage ourselves.  It does not have to
 be a hosted VM, it can as well be someone's unused computer somewhere.  One
 could theoretically install Jenkins and set up a job to pull every night
 and run the tests.  I

 In my case, I don't have any spare computers, so I started toying around
 with Amazon EC2.  If someone can set it up anywhere and let the group know
 when things break, that would be a good start.

 Thanks,
 Om

 On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Christofer Dutz 
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de
  wrote:

  Well I guess no matter what ci system, we would need a server for that.
  Apache uses Jenkins. It was just an assumption, that eventually Jetbrains
  could eventually provide us with one, just fit the sake of
  pre-tested-commits and pre-tested-pull-requests. If it was just for the
  nightly build, Jenkins does just fine.
 
 
  Chris
 
 
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  Am 19. Februar 2013 17:47:01 schrieb Frédéric THOMAS 
  webdoubl...@hotmail.com:
 
   It doesn't sound to be worthy guys but as soon as will move on git, as
  stated Chris, getting teamcity can maybe do the trick.
 
  -Fred
 
  -Message d'origine-
  From: Nicholas Kwiatkowski
  Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 5:39 PM
  To: dev@flex.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Mustella on Amazon EC2
 
  Other costs you need to be aware of are S3/EBS storage and bandwidth.
  These could equal the amount of the per-hour charge (or more, in some of
  my cases).  It all depends on how much traffic you are sending, and how
  much you are storing...  If you are pulling full builds each night, that
  could be quite a bit..
 
  -Nick
 
  On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl
  wrote:
 
   From [1]:
  
   Heavy Utilization Reserved Instance (medium size) on a 3 year contract
   would mean something like $600 up front and $0.066 per hour. If we run
   once a day, and it takes 12 hours to run (guessing here), that would
   mean 3*365*12*0.066 = ~ $870. So running the thing for 3 years would
   take something like $1500.
  
   Are there any other costs that this page is neatly hiding (data
   transfer, access)?
  
   If we do a Wikipedia style drive for funds, we should be able to get
   that kind of money together, couldn't we?
  
   EdB
  
   1: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/**pricing/
 http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/
  
  
  
   On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:46 PM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl
  wrote:
Anyone with experience care to make a guess what a sufficiently
powerful instance would cost per month? I for one would be willing
 to
donate a couple of dollars (at least) per month to see this happen,
and I'm sure more people will feel the same way...
   
EdB
   
   
   
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:42 PM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de
christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
Well I spoke with
Toan Nguyen
Enterprise Sales Manager
   
I have no idea if there is anyone we should better contact.
All I did was fill out the form on the AWS Sales site. He was the
 one
   responding to this and this morning we spoke a few minutes.
   
To me it looked as if Amazon wasn't really willing to provide
 Medium
   Windows instances free of charge. He claimed that Amazon couldn't go
   around
   giveing away free nodes to everyone (At least this was the essence of
  what
   he told me).
Eventaully someone else might think differently.
   
Chris
   
__**__
Von: Harbs [gavha...@gmail.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Februar 2013 13:47
An: dev@flex.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Mustella on Amazon EC2
   
Did you speak to anyone with authority there, or was it just a
 canned
   response?
   
If anyone has a real contact at AWS, the answer might be
 different. I
   can't imagine it costs them very much to donate some resources to
 Apache
   Flex… Anyone have a contact there?
   
I personally use AWS, but not on the scale that I have any real
 pull…
   
On Feb 19, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Christofer Dutz wrote:
   
Well unfortunately I don't have good news :-( just tasked to them
  and
   it seems they don't want to do more than give us their 1 year free
  offer.
   Unfortunately that doesn't cover windows and medium sized instances.
   
I think a CI nightly build is essential for getting a stable
 trunk.
   Especially with more and more people contributing and not ruining the
   entire test suite.
   
Chris
   
   
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Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains

[Avi Kessner]

A blog post would be great, I was about to make one myself.

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Alexander Doroshko 
alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote:

 I'm afraid there's not. Looks like I need to make a blog post summarizing
 info for IntelliJ IDEA newcomers.


 On 12.02.2013 19:12, Frédéric THOMAS wrote:

 Hi Alexander,

 Very good set of links, is there a page somewhere where those
 informations are listed, if it's the case I would like to add it to my
 favorites.

 Thanks,
 -Fred

 -Message d'origine- From: Alexander Doroshko
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:19 PM
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains

 Sorry, forgot one more important link. Developers familiar with Eclipse
 and Eclipse-based products should first of all take a look at the page
 'IntelliJ IDEA vs Eclipse Terminology' [1] and keep a link to 'Basic
 Concepts' [2].

 [1]
 http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/**webhelp/intellij-idea-vs-**
 eclipse-terminology.htmlhttp://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/intellij-idea-vs-eclipse-terminology.html
 [2] 
 http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/**webhelp/basic-concepts.htmlhttp://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/basic-concepts.html

 On 12.02.2013 17:38, Alexander Doroshko wrote:

 Hi,
 - ActionScript/Flex support is included in IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate
 Edition only [1]
 - 30-day free fully functional trial period [2]. Afterwards you can ask
 sa...@jetbrains.com to extend trial period.
 - members of open source projects (e.g. Apache Flex committers) can
 apply for a free license [3]
 - IntelliJ IDEA personal license costs $199 whereas Flash Builder is $699

 Some documentation resources:
 - Feature overview [4]
 - Embedded help: Language and Framework-Specific Guidelines |
 ActionScript and Flex, also available online [5]
 - More than 50 short video screencasts by John Lindquist at JetBrains TV
 [6] (start from 'IntelliJ IDEA 11.1 Flex Features')
 - Two articles at JetBrains wiki: quick start with AIR app for Android
 [7], Flexmojos-driven workflow [8]
 - A lot of 3rd party blog posts and tutorials in the Internet

 You can try to start even without looking at docs: either Import Project
 | select Flash Builder workspace or New Project | Flash Module.

 Feedback and any questions are welcome at the forum [9], bugs and
 feature requests - in the issue tracker [10]. Or just email me directly.

Re: Adding ToggleSwitch component to Spark Components

[Avi Kessner]

The code needs to be donated by the owner
On Feb 12, 2013 4:36 PM, Ghazi TRIKI ghazi.noctu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Why do not add a ToggleSwitch component to the SDK like this one?
 http://yonaskolb.com/blog/2012/1/18/flex-toggle-switch-spark-skin.html. It
 can be a more advanced one with multiple states.

 Ghazi Triki
 Thanks

Re: Language features

[Avi Kessner]

Our coding convention is to preface all private vars with _ so you have
_myVar as a private class scopes var and myVar as a method argument or temp
var which only exists in the scope of the function.
On Feb 12, 2013 6:27 PM, Kevin Newman capta...@unfocus.com wrote:

 This might seem like a minor thing, but I'd love to see a property
 shortcut similar to coffee script, so instead of this.whateverProp, it'd be
 @whateverProp. I know we can just omit this. in AS3, but I think it's
 actually harder to read that when you come back to a code base after a few
 years (like I'm doing now). Using this. or simply @ to indicate a
 property would more clearly distinguish between property and scope chain
 variable, with a minimum of additional typing overhead.

 Kevin N.

Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains

[Avi Kessner]

Well, bad formatting aside, (it's been a while since I blogged)  I put up a
blog post which can be seen here:

http://inspiredflash.blogspot.co.il/2013/02/finally-some-tools-to-go-from.html

If anyone would like me to alter any of the post, or found I didn't
properly credit someone, please let me know.

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Alexander Doroshko 
alexander.doros...@jetbrains.com wrote:

 I'm afraid there's not. Looks like I need to make a blog post summarizing
 info for IntelliJ IDEA newcomers.


 On 12.02.2013 19:12, Frédéric THOMAS wrote:

 Hi Alexander,

 Very good set of links, is there a page somewhere where those
 informations are listed, if it's the case I would like to add it to my
 favorites.

 Thanks,
 -Fred

 -Message d'origine- From: Alexander Doroshko
 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:19 PM
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Subject: Re: [OT] Interesting stat from JetBrains

 Sorry, forgot one more important link. Developers familiar with Eclipse
 and Eclipse-based products should first of all take a look at the page
 'IntelliJ IDEA vs Eclipse Terminology' [1] and keep a link to 'Basic
 Concepts' [2].

 [1]
 http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/**webhelp/intellij-idea-vs-**
 eclipse-terminology.htmlhttp://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/intellij-idea-vs-eclipse-terminology.html
 [2] 
 http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/**webhelp/basic-concepts.htmlhttp://www.jetbrains.com/idea/webhelp/basic-concepts.html

 On 12.02.2013 17:38, Alexander Doroshko wrote:

 Hi,
 - ActionScript/Flex support is included in IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate
 Edition only [1]
 - 30-day free fully functional trial period [2]. Afterwards you can ask
 sa...@jetbrains.com to extend trial period.
 - members of open source projects (e.g. Apache Flex committers) can
 apply for a free license [3]
 - IntelliJ IDEA personal license costs $199 whereas Flash Builder is $699

 Some documentation resources:
 - Feature overview [4]
 - Embedded help: Language and Framework-Specific Guidelines |
 ActionScript and Flex, also available online [5]
 - More than 50 short video screencasts by John Lindquist at JetBrains TV
 [6] (start from 'IntelliJ IDEA 11.1 Flex Features')
 - Two articles at JetBrains wiki: quick start with AIR app for Android
 [7], Flexmojos-driven workflow [8]
 - A lot of 3rd party blog posts and tutorials in the Internet

 You can try to start even without looking at docs: either Import Project
 | select Flash Builder workspace or New Project | Flash Module.

 Feedback and any questions are welcome at the forum [9], bugs and
 feature requests - in the issue tracker [10]. Or just email me directly.

Re: RSLs and signing

[Avi Kessner]

The benefits seem obvious to me. I remember a few projects where the client
only approved using flex when I explained how the rsl cacheing worked.
On Feb 11, 2013 7:25 AM, Justin Mclean jus...@classsoftware.com wrote:

 Hi,

  Where would we host it?  I'm not sure Apache wants to serve binary RSLs.
  Seems like it needs to be on an Akamai-type network, which I think costs
  money.

 Obviously we'd need to ask Infra etc but I'm sure something would be
 possible. First we need to research what benefit is browser caching of the
 RSLs to a Flex app.

 Justin

Re: Language features

[Avi Kessner]

If you have a bunch of if statements, then that means you are doing
something significant and need multiple functions. And it would be good for
those using the code to know what it's doing.  If however it's just casting
the var and sending it off, then you don't really need a bunch of if
statements.

Personally, I have been confused by overloaded functions more than once,
(reading the wrong api documentation, or trying to pass in the wrong var
types) and I don't think I've ever thought Wow! I'm so glad they
overloaded this function!

It seems to me that it exists in other languages for historical reasons and
not for theoretical reasons like generics.

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and the number 47


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Nick Collins ndcoll...@gmail.com wrote:

 This would also mean having to put in a bunch of if...else statements or a
 switch statement to check the type of var and call the appropriate method.
 To me that is code smell much bigger than method overloading :)


 On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski nicho...@spoon.as
 wrote:

  One quick example -- in my ArduinoANE (an AIR ANE that allows you to send
  data over a serial port), I have to have at least 5 functions that do the
  same thing -- they just accept different variable types.
 
  Ultimately, I'd like my API to be
 
  serial.send(var);
 
  but I have to have :
 
  serial.sendAsInt(int);
  serial.sendAsObject(object);
  serial.sendAsArray(array);
  serial.sendAsString(string);
  serial.sendAsByteArray(ba);
  serial.sendAsByte(int);
  serial.sendAsFloat(float);
  
  
 
  This means that the end-developer needs to know all these different
  function names instead of one.  Sure, a good IDE helps with that, but it
  seems unnecessary.  It also prevents me from allowing better code-reuse,
  etc.
 
  -Nick
 
 
  On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I can not for the life of me understand the desire for overloading
   functions.  If it has different behavior give it a different name.
  
   brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
   and the number 47
  
  
   On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Roland Zwaga rol...@stackandheap.com
   wrote:
  
+100.000 for generics (although I fully understand that this is
  probably
one of the most difficult features to implement)
   
+1 for lamba expressions
   
On 3 February 2013 12:48, christofer.d...@c-ware.de 
christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
   
 +1 for method overloading from me too

 And:

  +1 for private/protected constructors :-)



 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: Frédéric THOMAS [mailto:webdoubl...@hotmail.com]
 Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2013 05:16
 An: dev@flex.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: Language features

 Nick, +1 or even 10

 -Fred

 -Message d'origine-
 From: Nicholas Kwiatkowski
 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:58 PM
 To: dev@flex.apache.org
 Subject: Re: Language features

 I'd be fairly excited to see method overloading. It's one of the
   things I
 miss from Java...

 -Nick

 On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com
   wrote:

  If it was up to me, I would vote against method overloading.  I
  think
  that's a code smell personally.
 
  brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47
 
 
  On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Frédéric THOMAS 
webdoubl...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hi Gordon,
  
  
Adding abstract classes and private constructors to Falcon
  should
   be
  easy
  
  
   That's a good news, at this point protected constructor would
 be
   welcomed
   as well as private constructors are commonly used in classes
 that
   contain
   static members only.
  
   And I voting +1 for the rest :-) you gonna make happy a lot of
   people
   who
   wait for a long time for these features.
  
   -Fred
  
   -Message d'origine- From: Gordon Smith
   Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:38 PM
   To: dev@flex.apache.org
   Subject: RE: Language features
  
  
   Adding abstract classes and private constructors to Falcon
 should
   be
  easy.
   Adding generics and method overloading would be considerably
  harder
but
   probably doable after a lot of design. Two other features worth
  considering
   are strong function types (i.e., a type like (int, int):String
  for
   a
   function that takes two ints and returns a String) and
   strongly-typed
  fixed
   arrays (i.e., int[]).
  
   I'm going to continue to focus on MXML. Until it is finished,
 we
can't
   move from the old compiler to the new one. I don't recommend
  making
any
   modifications to the old compiler.
  
   - Gordon

Re: Language features

[Avi Kessner]

AS3 might have been in the hands of Adobe, but projects were not.
I don't see the conceptual difference between the Adobe compiler and the
Apache compiler, or the Flash Builder vs Flash Professional compilers. (at
least for a brief moment in time, they were different)  Or the project that
targets SDK 4.1 and flash player 9 or the project that uses SDK 4.6 and
flash player 11.1

They had some significant differences, and projects would not compile if
you were targeting the wrong version of either the SDK or the player, yet
it was all AS3.

Perhaps if Flex get's it's own version of the flash player and there is  a
drastic divergence, then I can see the need.

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and the number 47


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Roland Zwaga rol...@stackandheap.comwrote:

 People seem to be missing my point...
 Adobe and Apache Flex now both have a compiler, so both are in a position
 to make changes to the language. If these changes aren't in sync then
 effectively
 two separate languages are evolving. Therefore neither of them is AS3
 anymore. (ot at least one of them...)
 When Vectors were introduced AS3 was still solely in the hands of Adobe.
 This isn't the case anymore.

 On 5 February 2013 12:15, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:

  No need to change the name IMO.  We didn't get AS3.1 when we got Vectors
 or
  native JSON support.
 
  brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
  and the number 47
 
 
  On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   If you have a bunch of if statements, then that means you are doing
   something significant and need multiple functions. And it would be good
  for
   those using the code to know what it's doing.  If however it's just
  casting
   the var and sending it off, then you don't really need a bunch of if
   statements.
  
   Personally, I have been confused by overloaded functions more than
 once,
   (reading the wrong api documentation, or trying to pass in the wrong
 var
   types) and I don't think I've ever thought Wow! I'm so glad they
   overloaded this function!
  
   It seems to me that it exists in other languages for historical reasons
   and not for theoretical reasons like generics.
  
   brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
   and the number 47
  
  
   On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Nick Collins ndcoll...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
   This would also mean having to put in a bunch of if...else statements
  or a
   switch statement to check the type of var and call the appropriate
  method.
   To me that is code smell much bigger than method overloading :)
  
  
   On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski 
 nicho...@spoon.as
   wrote:
  
One quick example -- in my ArduinoANE (an AIR ANE that allows you to
   send
data over a serial port), I have to have at least 5 functions that
 do
   the
same thing -- they just accept different variable types.
   
Ultimately, I'd like my API to be
   
serial.send(var);
   
but I have to have :
   
serial.sendAsInt(int);
serial.sendAsObject(object);
serial.sendAsArray(array);
serial.sendAsString(string);
serial.sendAsByteArray(ba);
serial.sendAsByte(int);
serial.sendAsFloat(float);


   
This means that the end-developer needs to know all these different
function names instead of one.  Sure, a good IDE helps with that,
 but
  it
seems unnecessary.  It also prevents me from allowing better
  code-reuse,
etc.
   
-Nick
   
   
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   
 I can not for the life of me understand the desire for overloading
 functions.  If it has different behavior give it a different name.

 brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
 and the number 47


 On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Roland Zwaga 
  rol...@stackandheap.com
 wrote:

  +100.000 for generics (although I fully understand that this is
probably
  one of the most difficult features to implement)
 
  +1 for lamba expressions
 
  On 3 February 2013 12:48, christofer.d...@c-ware.de 
  christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:
 
   +1 for method overloading from me too
  
   And:
  
+1 for private/protected constructors :-)
  
  
  
   -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
   Von: Frédéric THOMAS [mailto:webdoubl...@hotmail.com]
   Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2013 05:16
   An: dev@flex.apache.org
   Betreff: Re: Language features
  
   Nick, +1 or even 10
  
   -Fred
  
   -Message d'origine-
   From: Nicholas Kwiatkowski
   Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:58 PM
   To: dev@flex.apache.org
   Subject: Re: Language features
  
   I'd be fairly excited to see method overloading. It's one of
 the
 things I
   miss from Java...
  
   -Nick
  
   On Sat, Feb 2

Re: Naming AS3 future versions - was Re: Language features

[Avi Kessner]

My apologies.  It's just such an interesting topic, real or imagined.

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Michael Schmalle apa...@teotigraphix.comwrote:

 Right,

 I don't have a bunch of time for all this water cooler talk but my head
 lives in the NOW. You know how far off generics are?

 Do we have any other compiler developers around to start pushing Falcon
 forward?

 If the answer is NO right now, than AS3 is all you have to worry about.

 I also understand there needs to be a differentiation between feature
 sets, but lets talk about that next year when it happens...

 Mike


 Quoting Lee Burrows subscripti...@leeburrows.com**:

  I assume we'll be calling it Apache ActionScript when Adobe feel that
 HTML5 is ready to front their gaming push.


 On 05/02/2013 10:37, Michael Schmalle wrote:

 There is a simple answer to this.

 Keep AS3, it's a language name, not a product. Flex is a product, if you
 want to do something, change the image of Flex. We have a new name, Falcon
 AS3.

 Evolution just happens. My work with the compiler is meant to empower
 the next generation of devs that want a tried and true OOP language to work
 with JavaScript and HTML5.

 I already have some prototypes of pretty amazing things on this cross
 compiling front. There is no majic or marketing that creates new things,
 people that go to school for advertising are different from those that
 invent the things the advertisers will market.

 You want to know why there is so much crap technology right now? It's
 because there are more advertisers then engineers in the steering the ship.

 Rant over, my work here has nothing to do with Flex, it has to do with
 creating a stable future for a language that has more than 10 years proved
 itself as agile and understandable.

 Mike



 Quoting Frank Pepermans frankp...@hotmail.com:


 Pros :- Actionscript and Flash are the same thing to the outside world,
 Flex goes beyond Flash- Adobe will market AS as a language for games and
 video, not officially for Flex enterprise apps, this is confusing and to be
 honest casts a shadow over Flex which we cannot do anything about...
 Cons :- AS is well known, a new language name needs time to be known in
 the industry, will take more time to get Flex out on the job market- Yet
 another language, never sits well, people will question why no existing
 language is used (even if it's an AS dialect, in years they might both
 evolve differently)




  Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2013 09:45:46 +0100
 Subject: Re: Language features
 From: rol...@stackandheap.com
 To: dev@flex.apache.org

 by the way, with all this type of language features, it'll be
 interesting
 to see
 what Adobe is going to with ASC2.0 on their end.
 They reported here on the list that they'd be developing ASC separately
 since
 it would focus on AS.Next. But with their last announcement they have
 indicated
 that the AVM2 will remain their focus. Which means AS3 as well, I
 suppose.
 So, as we are adding language features, does that mean there is going
 to be
 two versions of AS3? Apache AS3 and Adobe AS3?

 So, when we do add features, should we make an official name change to
 the
 language?

 Any thoughts?

 On 5 February 2013 05:22, Nicholas Kwiatkowski nicho...@spoon.as
 wrote:

  I was under the impression that they updated the AMF protocol to
 support
 Vector...  I'm not remembering /where/ I read that, but I remember
 them
 saying it was coming...

 -Nick

 On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Tianzhen Lin tang...@usa.net wrote:

  Besides strongly-typed dictionary, adding generic support would
 bring the
  language to a more reusable state, so we can say good-bye to
  ArrayCollection, but ListMyType.
 
  Additionally, if the AMF also supports generics, that would
 complete the
  whole picture.  Currently Vector is not supported in AMF, making it
  inconvenient to pass through the wire.
 
  Tangent
 
  http://tangentlin.wordpress.**com/http://tangentlin.wordpress.com/
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Frédéric THOMAS 
  [mailto:webdoublefx@hotmail.**comwebdoubl...@hotmail.com
 ]
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 12:50 PM
  To: dev@flex.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Language features
 
  Btw, maybe strongly-typed Dictionary as well :)
 
  -Fred
 
  -Message d'origine-
  From: Frédéric THOMAS
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:05 PM
  To: dev@flex.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Language features
 
  Hi Gordon,
 
   Adding abstract classes and private constructors to Falcon should
 be
   easy
 
  That's a good news, at this point protected constructor would be
 welcomed
  as well as private constructors are commonly used in classes that
 contain
  static members only.
 
  And I voting +1 for the rest :-) you gonna make happy a lot of
 people who
  wait for a long time for these features.
 
  -Fred
 
  -Message d'origine-
  From: Gordon Smith
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:38 PM
  To: dev@flex.apache.org
  

RE: [jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33377) Focus can be transferred from a modal window to a non-modal window open in the background if clicked on some specific dimension of the non-modal window in the backg

[Avi Kessner]

It has always annoyed me that borders and drop shadows cause as3 to return
the wrong h/w.   Is it possible to fix that underlying problem and still
make it backwards compatible?
On Feb 5, 2013 8:11 AM, Frédéric THOMAS webdoubl...@hotmail.com wrote:


 That's why I whished someone with a better understanding than me to have a
 look :-)
 Lemme know what you'll find please :-)

 Thanks,
 Frédéric THOMAS

  From: aha...@adobe.com
  To: dev@flex.apache.org
  Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:00:49 -0800
  Subject: Re: [jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33377) Focus can be transferred
 from a modal window to a non-modal window open in the background if clicked
 on some specific dimension of the non-modal window in the background i.e.
 by clicking on the extreme left i.e. x=0 di
 
 
 
 
  On 2/4/13 9:49 PM, Frédéric THOMAS webdoubl...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  
   Hi Alex,
  
   Bingo, the dropShadowEnabled of the non modal titleWindow has to be
 set to
   false and it works.
  
   But still, to me, it looks like more a trick than what it is expected
 as a
   modal itself should avoid this behavior, at least, my first trick
 setting the
   x of the modal to -1 cover all these kinds of cases, what do you think
 ?
  IMO, there are trade-offs to be made.  What are the chances someone will
 hit
  this problem and what is the cost of preventing it?  For popups, you
 don't
  want to delay the popup from showing for another 250ms just to get this
  right.  So it depends on how expensive the fix is.  And you could get
 tricky
  and delay the fix until after the popup is up since folks take a while to
  read what is up before poking around.
 
  I want to know more about why we have this problem.  It could be that,
 once
  you have the non-modal draw into negative coordinates that there is a
  half-pixel available at 0,0 to hit, or it could be that the negative
  coordinates stretches the stage bounds beyond stage.stageWidth and
  stage.stageHeight and the modal doesn't get sized and positioned
 correctly.
  Then we'll know if just expanding to -1 is sufficient, but I would also
  spend time considering what stage properties change when you do that and
 how
  that would affect backward compatibility and how stage scalemode works.
 
  If it is a half-pixel issue, the modal window might need to be drawn
  differently to cover the half-pixel without actually drawing to -1.
 
  
   Frédéric THOMAS
  
   From: aha...@adobe.com
   To: dev@flex.apache.org
   Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 20:02:59 -0800
   Subject: Re: [jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33377) Focus can be transferred
 from a
   modal window to a non-modal window open in the background if clicked
 on some
   specific dimension of the non-modal window in the background i.e. by
 clicking
   on the extreme left i.e. x=0 di
  
   I will try to find time to take a look.  Are you sure the display
 object we
   use behind the modal window fully covers the non-modal?  There might
 be
   corner cases around borders, dropshadows and filters in the background
   object and the non-modal that allow for the mouse to pass through.
  
  
   On 2/4/13 4:12 PM, Frédéric THOMAS webdoubl...@hotmail.com wrote:
  
  
   Hi,
  
   Is there someone with a better understanding than me could
 determinate if
   it's
   a player bug or a sdk one ?
  
   I proposed what I think is a quick and dirty monkey patch to the
 reporter
   but
   didn't find anything explaining why that happens.
  
   Thanks,
   Frédéric THOMAS
  
   From: webdoubl...@hotmail.com
   To: dev@flex.apache.org
   Subject: Re: [jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33377) Focus can be
 transferred from
   a
   modal window to a non-modal window open in the background if
 clicked on
   some
   specific dimension of the non-modal window in the background i.e. by
   clicking
   on the extreme left i.e. x=0 dime
   Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2013 17:56:25 +0100
  
   Hi Om,
  
   No, the actual code looks good to me, until the cause of why it
 happens
   like
   that hasn't been clearly identified, I won't do anything, at the
 moment I
   don't at all, maybe someone with better understanding can have look.
  
   -Fred
  
   -Message d'origine-
   From: Om
   Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:51 PM
   To: dev@flex.apache.org
   Subject: Re: [jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33377) Focus can be
 transferred from
   a
   modal window to a non-modal window open in the background if
 clicked on
   some
   specific dimension of the non-modal window in the background i.e. by
   clicking on the extreme left i.e. x=0 dimension of the application.
  
   Frédéric,
  
   Will you be applying the same fix on the develop branch as well?
  
   Thanks,
   Om
  
   On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Frédéric THOMAS (JIRA)
   j...@apache.orgwrote:
  
  
   [
  
 https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33377?page=com.atlassian.jira.p
   lu
  
 gin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13568912#comme
   nt
   -13568912]
  
   Frédéric THOMAS commented on FLEX-33377:
   

Re: Language features

[Avi Kessner]

I can not for the life of me understand the desire for overloading
functions.  If it has different behavior give it a different name.

brought to you by the letters A, V, and I
and the number 47


On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Roland Zwaga rol...@stackandheap.comwrote:

 +100.000 for generics (although I fully understand that this is probably
 one of the most difficult features to implement)

 +1 for lamba expressions

 On 3 February 2013 12:48, christofer.d...@c-ware.de 
 christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote:

  +1 for method overloading from me too
 
  And:
 
   +1 for private/protected constructors :-)
 
 
 
  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von: Frédéric THOMAS [mailto:webdoubl...@hotmail.com]
  Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2013 05:16
  An: dev@flex.apache.org
  Betreff: Re: Language features
 
  Nick, +1 or even 10
 
  -Fred
 
  -Message d'origine-
  From: Nicholas Kwiatkowski
  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2013 6:58 PM
  To: dev@flex.apache.org
  Subject: Re: Language features
 
  I'd be fairly excited to see method overloading. It's one of the things I
  miss from Java...
 
  -Nick
 
  On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   If it was up to me, I would vote against method overloading.  I think
   that's a code smell personally.
  
   brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47
  
  
   On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Frédéric THOMAS 
 webdoubl...@hotmail.com
   wrote:
  
Hi Gordon,
   
   
 Adding abstract classes and private constructors to Falcon should be
   easy
   
   
That's a good news, at this point protected constructor would be
welcomed
as well as private constructors are commonly used in classes that
contain
static members only.
   
And I voting +1 for the rest :-) you gonna make happy a lot of people
who
wait for a long time for these features.
   
-Fred
   
-Message d'origine- From: Gordon Smith
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 7:38 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: RE: Language features
   
   
Adding abstract classes and private constructors to Falcon should be
   easy.
Adding generics and method overloading would be considerably harder
 but
probably doable after a lot of design. Two other features worth
   considering
are strong function types (i.e., a type like (int, int):String for a
function that takes two ints and returns a String) and strongly-typed
   fixed
arrays (i.e., int[]).
   
I'm going to continue to focus on MXML. Until it is finished, we
 can't
move from the old compiler to the new one. I don't recommend making
 any
modifications to the old compiler.
   
- Gordon
   
-Original Message-
From: Frédéric THOMAS [mailto:webdoublefx@hotmail.**com
   webdoubl...@hotmail.com
]
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 3:07 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: Language features
   
+1 Nick
   
May be possible, I don't know, time ago, I looked at adding the
possibility to have the constructor accepting other NS than public to
simulate abstract classes and seen 2 places where it was checked but
   didn't
dare to change it besause I didn't know the impacts, I hope someone
   better
than me here can take care of it, compiler geeks, are you here ?
   
-Fred
   
-Message d'origine-
From: Nick Collins
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 11:24 AM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Language features
   
With the cancellation of AVM next, should we perhaps look at adding
  some
additional language features to our compiler?
   
As I think about some of the features I would like to see, such as
abstract classes, generics, method overloading, etc. it seems to me
  that
   at
least some of them could be implemented into our compiler?
   
Nick
   
   
  
 
 


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