Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Tim McConnell]

Hi Kan, we shall try !!

Kan Ogawa wrote:

Tim,

Tim McConnell wrote:

Start of discussion thread.

 >
The GERONIMODEVTOOLS-107 issue that was already closed is not fully 
fixed yet in 2.0.0 RC2.

( Now, I don't reopen this issue yet. )

I forward here my reply to question that Ted Kirby posted from WAS-CE 
forum. For more detail, please see it.
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/forums/dw_thread.jsp?message=13991399&cat=51&thread=171097&treeDisplayType=threadmode1&forum=541#13991399 



Can you fix it immediately?



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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Shiva Kumar H R]

Thanks for catching this Kan Ogawa. I will re-open GERONIMODEVTOOLS-107.

- Shiva

On 9/14/07, Kan Ogawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> Tim McConnell wrote:
> > Start of discussion thread.
> >
> The GERONIMODEVTOOLS-107 issue that was already closed is not
> fully fixed yet in 2.0.0 RC2.
> ( Now, I don't reopen this issue yet. )
>
> I forward here my reply to question that Ted Kirby posted from
> WAS-CE forum. For more detail, please see it.
>
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/forums/dw_thread.jsp?message=13991399&cat=51&thread=171097&treeDisplayType=threadmode1&forum=541#13991399
>
> Can you fix it immediately?
>
> --
> Kan Ogawa
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Shiva Kumar H R]

On 9/14/07, Lin Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Tim, thanks for your nice instruction.  I am able to do scenario 2 fine
> without any prob!
>
> I have noticed 2 things:
>
> 1) one other recommended scenario (may be the most recommended scenario)
> used to be not download anything, but start at define a server then
> choose the link called "download additional server adapters" when a user
> doesn't see the adapter he wants there.   From the resulting page, he
> can just download the geronimo eclipse plugin.   I don't know if you or
> anyone has worked with WTP team to get our geronimo server to be on the
> list?
>
> 2) I tried to deploy a hello war project and able to deploy fine.   But
> right click the project and do a run as, run on server doesn't bring up
> the eclipse internal web browser automatically.   I wonder if someone
> else has noticed this?


Yes! there seems to be a problem. I tried these:
a) Created a dynamic web project and then added an index.jsp. Right click on
the index.jsp file and select "Run As -> Run on Server". Everything worked
fine including the internal web browser getting opened with the URL of
index.jsp!

An important thing to note here is that the "geronimo-web.xml" that got
created was using 1.1 version of Geronimo schemas as shown below:
http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/j2ee/web-1.1"; xmlns:nam="
http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.1"; xmlns:sec="
http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/security-1.1"; xmlns:sys="
http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/deployment-1.1";>

b) I now changed the schema versions in "geronimo-web.xml" as below:
http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/j2ee/web-2.0"; xmlns:nam="
http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/naming-1.2"; xmlns:sec="
http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/security-2.0"; xmlns:sys="
http://geronimo.apache.org/xml/ns/deployment-1.2";>

When I now right click on the same "index.jsp" and select "Run As -> Run on
Server" I see that the internal web browser is *not* getting opened.

I see the same behaviour (as described in a) & b) above) with both WTP 2.0 &
WTP 2.0.1RC1.

- Shiva

Lin
>
>
> Tim McConnell wrote:
> > Start of discussion thread.
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Kan Ogawa]

Tim,

Tim McConnell wrote:

Start of discussion thread.

>
The GERONIMODEVTOOLS-107 issue that was already closed is not 
fully fixed yet in 2.0.0 RC2.

( Now, I don't reopen this issue yet. )

I forward here my reply to question that Ted Kirby posted from 
WAS-CE forum. For more detail, please see it.

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/forums/dw_thread.jsp?message=13991399&cat=51&thread=171097&treeDisplayType=threadmode1&forum=541#13991399

Can you fix it immediately?

--
Kan Ogawa
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Lin Sun]

Things don't automatically happen in WTP 1.5.1.   We had to register our 
features with WTP to get it shown up on the list.  I hope they are doing 
this automatically for 2.0.1 RC too, but if not, we probably should 
raise a WTP bugzilla as soon as possible to get it into 2.0.1.


Lin

Ted Kirby wrote:


Cool!  I just tried this.  It looks like it interrogates known sites
for supported servers.  It appears that once we add our plugins/server
adapters to our "production" site, they will be picked up.
Interestingly, when clicking this button, I was offered one Apache
Geronimo server: 1.2.0!  (from
http://www.apache.org/dist/geronimo/eclipse/updates/.)  So yeah, I
think we need to fix this.

Ted Kirby


2) I tried to deploy a hello war project and able to deploy fine.   But
right click the project and do a run as, run on server doesn't bring up
the eclipse internal web browser automatically.   I wonder if someone
else has noticed this?

Lin


Tim McConnell wrote:

Start of discussion thread.

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Tim McConnell]

Hi Lin,

1) yes that is actually the last step in our "Release Eclipse Plugin Process" 
(i.e., to ensure that the server and/or plugin can be downloaded from Eclipse 
without having to add a new "Remote Site" from the Eclipse Help panels). 
Unfortunately, this is not a scenario that can be emulated with our "Staging 
site" so I didn't bother to list it.


2) I haven't noticed this but I don't know that I've actually deployed and run a 
"Hello World" project. I'll investigate though.


Thanks

Lin Sun wrote:
Tim, thanks for your nice instruction.  I am able to do scenario 2 fine 
without any prob!


I have noticed 2 things:

1) one other recommended scenario (may be the most recommended scenario) 
used to be not download anything, but start at define a server then 
choose the link called "download additional server adapters" when a user 
doesn't see the adapter he wants there.   From the resulting page, he 
can just download the geronimo eclipse plugin.   I don't know if you or 
anyone has worked with WTP team to get our geronimo server to be on the 
list?


2) I tried to deploy a hello war project and able to deploy fine.   But 
right click the project and do a run as, run on server doesn't bring up 
the eclipse internal web browser automatically.   I wonder if someone 
else has noticed this?


Lin


Tim McConnell wrote:

Start of discussion thread.





--
Thanks,
Tim McConnell

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Ted Kirby]

On 9/13/07, Lin Sun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tim, thanks for your nice instruction.  I am able to do scenario 2 fine
> without any prob!
>
> I have noticed 2 things:
>
> 1) one other recommended scenario (may be the most recommended scenario)
> used to be not download anything, but start at define a server then
> choose the link called "download additional server adapters" when a user
> doesn't see the adapter he wants there.   From the resulting page, he
> can just download the geronimo eclipse plugin.   I don't know if you or
> anyone has worked with WTP team to get our geronimo server to be on the
> list?

Cool!  I just tried this.  It looks like it interrogates known sites
for supported servers.  It appears that once we add our plugins/server
adapters to our "production" site, they will be picked up.
Interestingly, when clicking this button, I was offered one Apache
Geronimo server: 1.2.0!  (from
http://www.apache.org/dist/geronimo/eclipse/updates/.)  So yeah, I
think we need to fix this.

Ted Kirby

> 2) I tried to deploy a hello war project and able to deploy fine.   But
> right click the project and do a run as, run on server doesn't bring up
> the eclipse internal web browser automatically.   I wonder if someone
> else has noticed this?
>
> Lin
>
>
> Tim McConnell wrote:
> > Start of discussion thread.
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Lin Sun]

Tim, thanks for your nice instruction.  I am able to do scenario 2 fine 
without any prob!


I have noticed 2 things:

1) one other recommended scenario (may be the most recommended scenario) 
used to be not download anything, but start at define a server then 
choose the link called "download additional server adapters" when a user 
doesn't see the adapter he wants there.   From the resulting page, he 
can just download the geronimo eclipse plugin.   I don't know if you or 
anyone has worked with WTP team to get our geronimo server to be on the 
list?


2) I tried to deploy a hello war project and able to deploy fine.   But 
right click the project and do a run as, run on server doesn't bring up 
the eclipse internal web browser automatically.   I wonder if someone 
else has noticed this?


Lin


Tim McConnell wrote:

Start of discussion thread.

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Ted Kirby]

As to my frustrations, I was asked! :-)

Yes, that is a good point you raise about the distinction between
build level and user run level.  I view it, however, as a beneficial
short-term tactic, until WTP.2.0.1 GAs, but not a beneficial long term
strategy or approach.

I think Tim provided great service and innovation by giving us
build.xml to download all the required eclipse bits.  I think it makes
great sense to allow the user to use it to download eclipse at the
same level as the build, so users could easily get the supported
level.  This is also well documented in the instructions at
http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/Geronimo_Eclipse_Plugin_2.0.0_Instructions-RC2.txt.

All things considered, I think it's a good thing to build and have
users run with the same level of eclipse.

Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Donald Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Understand your frustrations, but the Eclipse levels in build.xml have nothing
> to do with the user runtime levels and don't need to be updated unless we want
> to use newer features/APIs in future Eclipse 3.3.x or WTP 2.0.x releases
>
> I think we all have learned now not to depend on the major train releases of
> Eclipse, but to wait for the first maintenance release for any expected plugin
> releases
>
> We also need to continue supporting the prior Eclipse level in future plugin
> updates, for any of our ISV and production users, who can't always upgrade to
> the latest Eclipse levels due to other project requirements or tool
> dependencies
>
>
> -Donald
>
> Ted Kirby wrote:
> > Tim and I have been working hard on getting the "Download and Install"
> > function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
> > install it your machine.  The stablest level on which we have found
> > this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1.  Other minor issues/problems occur at
> > lower WTP levels.  Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
> > been tedious and buggy.  I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
> > any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1.  I have been frustrated to not be
> > able to work on other things because of these issues.  You may well
> > judge that I am unduly focused on these issues.  I am glad that you
> > and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements.  I
> > am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point.  What level of
> > WTP are you using?  The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
> > 9/28 GA.  I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
> > with WTP2.0.1RC1.  Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
> > when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
> > build.xml to move to that level.  It unfortunately seems prudent for
> > us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we use
> > work.
> >
> > Ted Kirby
> >
> > On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Ted,
> >> I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to 2.0.1 
> >> from
> >> 2.0. However on
> >> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
> >> 2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?
> >>
> >> - Shiva
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >>> Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
> >>> Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
> >>>
> >>> On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Start of discussion thread.
>  --
>  Thanks,
>  Tim McConnell
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Tim McConnell]

Huge sigh of relief !! Thanks Anita

Anita Kulshreshtha wrote:

FWIW, I followed the "Use Staging Site" instructions and used update
manager's staging_site to download tomcat version on windows. The
server and the admin console started fine. I got download urls for
various parts from ant build file at
http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/build.xml
   


Thanks
Anita
 
--- Ted Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Tim and I have been working hard on getting the "Download and
Install"
function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
install it your machine.  The stablest level on which we have found
this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1.  Other minor issues/problems occur at
lower WTP levels.  Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
been tedious and buggy.  I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1.  I have been frustrated to not be
able to work on other things because of these issues.  You may well
judge that I am unduly focused on these issues.  I am glad that you
and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements.  I
am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point.  What level of
WTP are you using?  The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
9/28 GA.  I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
with WTP2.0.1RC1.  Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
build.xml to move to that level.  It unfortunately seems prudent for
us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we
use
work.

Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ted,
I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to

2.0.1 from

2.0. However on
http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?

- Shiva


On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Start of discussion thread.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Tim McConnell]

Hi Jacek, yes that's a very good idea. To be honest, I'm not sure why Sachin 
called it "g-eclipse-plugin". But as Shiva has suggested I've opened a JIRA to 
include it in the next release


https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/GERONIMODEVTOOLS-205


Jacek Laskowski wrote:

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Start of discussion thread.


Hi Tim,

I'm pretty sure I asked about it (or was about to have asked, but
failed), but why is the plugin called g-eclipse-plugin? Wouldn't it be
better off if it called geronimo-eclipse-plugin? It doesn't say much
when I have g-eclipse-plugin in my eclipse plugin repository and in
discussions people tend to use geronimo-eclipse-plugin even though it
may seem to be easier to say g-eclipse-plugin and following the
plugin's name. It can be confusing.

I think I should've noted it sooner and I do appologize to talk about
it now right before the plugin is to be released and am leaning
towards -1 because of the name (I don't want to be disruptive to the
process, so just a friendly reminder I should not do that do the trick
just fine ;-))

Jacek



--
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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Tim McConnell]

Thanks for the reminder Anita, The project site and the accompanying release 
notes will be updated as soon as the release candidate is approved. I've also 
updated the Release Process steps (URL below) to include this step just so we 
don't forget. Thanks


http://cwiki.apache.org/GMOxPMGT/release-eclipse-plugin-process.html)


Anita Kulshreshtha wrote:

   I would like to see download links to the following items on the
project site at http://geronimo.apache.org/development-tools.html under
prerequisites section.


1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1
3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3


   
Thanks

Anita


On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Start of discussion thread.
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===  Step #1 -- Install prerequisites
   ===





The Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 has a number of prerequisites that
must be 
installed prior to the installation of the plugin itself. These are
necessary 
to establish the proper Eclipse installation. They are:


1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1
3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3

You can manually download the latest versions of these artifacts but
it is 
somewhat cumbersome. Instead I've created an ant script (that is
based on 
the one used to build the plugin) that you can use that will download
and unzip 
everything for you. You can get it from here:


http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/build.xml

After you download it somewhere (preferably in a temp subdirectory)
you can just 
invoke it for your specific platform using one of these three

commands:


ant win32
ant linux
ant macos
It will create an /org/EUROPA/eclipse/3.3 subdirectory with all the 
downloaded artifacts and an /EUROPA/eclipse subdirectory where
everything has 
been unzipped. This is now the Eclipse installation directly you
should use to 
test the Geronimo Eclipse 2.0.0 plugin. 


If you don't wish to use the ant script it's very important to ensure
you have
the latest versions of each -- otherwise the plugin will not function
correctly. 
For example, the WTP 2.0.0 release is fairly old and buggy, and our

plugin will
not function correctly. That is why this ant script downloads and
installs the 
WTP 2.0.1 RC1 artifacts. 



Now that you have all the prerequisites you can do either of the two
scenarios
below since each must work and both should emulate how it will be
installed and 
used in the real world.  Scenarios #1 and #2 are mutually exclusive
though -- 
do one or the other but not both unless you first delete and recreate

your
Eclipse installation directory (preferably with the ant script
above). 





===  Scenario #1 -- Upzip everything 
   ===





You can just download the plugin itself and unzip it into the same
directory
where all the prereqs were installed (e.g., EUROPA/eclipse). If you
choose 
this option you must have an installed version of the Geronimo 2.0.1
server 
somewhere on your system so that you can define an Geronimo Server 
configuration. If you've never done this before the steps are fairly 
straightforward:


1 -- Download the plugin and unzip into your EUROPA/eclipse
directory.
 You can download the plugin from here: 




http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/g-eclipse-plugin-2.0.0-deployable-RC2.zip

2 -- Invoke the eclipse executable from your EUROPA/eclipse
directory. Select or
 accept the default workspace. 


3 -- Open the Java EE perspective. From within Eclipse:

 a. Close the Welcome tab

 b. Select Window --> Open Perspective --> Other --> Java EE
You should now be in the Java EE perspective. You can see the
open 
perspective tabs in the upper right-hand corner of your
Eclipse  
workspace.


4 -- Define a new server. From Eclipse select:

 a. File --> New --> Other --> Server --> Server --> Next -->
Apache. 
At this point you must see the Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server

selection
or the plugin was not installed/unzipped correctly. 


 b. Select "Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server" --> Next --> then enter
the root 
directory of your Geronimo server installation --> Next -->
Next --> 
Next --> Finish


 c. Now in the Java EE perspective you should see the Apache
Geronimo v2.0 
server (bottom pane, middle tab usually) that you can now
start in 
 

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Shiva Kumar H R]

Oh! wasn't aware of those problems. Hadn't tried "Download and Install",
rather was directly unzipping the *deployable.zip. And everything worked
fine even with WTP 2.0 (wtp-all-in-one-sdk-win32).

Good that we have discovered "Download and Install" doesn't work with WTP
2.0 and only works with WTP 2.0.1RC1.

Thanks Donald for hinting that we don't need to update build.xml and rebuild
GEP.

I will re-test
http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/g-eclipse-plugin-2.0.0-deployable-RC2.zipusing
WTP
2.0.1RC1 and post my results.

- Shiva

On 9/13/07, Donald Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Understand your frustrations, but the Eclipse levels in build.xml have
> nothing
> to do with the user runtime levels and don't need to be updated unless we
> want
> to use newer features/APIs in future Eclipse 3.3.x or WTP 2.0.xreleases
>
> I think we all have learned now not to depend on the major train releases
> of
> Eclipse, but to wait for the first maintenance release for any expected
> plugin
> releases
>
> We also need to continue supporting the prior Eclipse level in future
> plugin
> updates, for any of our ISV and production users, who can't always upgrade
> to
> the latest Eclipse levels due to other project requirements or tool
> dependencies
>
>
> -Donald
>
> Ted Kirby wrote:
> > Tim and I have been working hard on getting the "Download and Install"
> > function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
> > install it your machine.  The stablest level on which we have found
> > this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1.  Other minor issues/problems occur at
> > lower WTP levels.  Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
> > been tedious and buggy.  I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
> > any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1.  I have been frustrated to not be
> > able to work on other things because of these issues.  You may well
> > judge that I am unduly focused on these issues.  I am glad that you
> > and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements.  I
> > am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point.  What level of
> > WTP are you using?  The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
> > http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
> > 9/28 GA.  I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
> > with WTP2.0.1RC1.  Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
> > when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
> > build.xml to move to that level.  It unfortunately seems prudent for
> > us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we use
> > work.
> >
> > Ted Kirby
> >
> > On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Ted,
> >> I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to 2.0.1from
> >> 2.0. However on
> >> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
> >> 2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?
> >>
> >> - Shiva
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >>> Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
> >>> Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
> >>>
> >>> On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Start of discussion thread.
>  --
>  Thanks,
>  Tim McConnell
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Tim McConnell]

Great, thanks Ted

Ted Kirby wrote:

Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Start of discussion thread.
--
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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Donald Woods]

Or use the WTP 2.0.1 All-in-one bundle when its released, as it should include 
the Eclipse SDK "Classic" bundle as the WTP 2.0 all-in-one bundle included.


-Donald

Donald Woods wrote:
Thanks for the clarification.  Guess if users only wanted Geronimo 2.0 
server support, then they could use the intended "for Java EE 
Developers" package, as that has been working for me, but I've only been 
testing against a 2.0.1 server


-Donald

Shiva Kumar H R wrote:


On 9/13/07, *Donald Woods* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Need to be more specific on the Eclipse package that users need, now
that
there are 5 different distros -

 > 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform 
specific

1 -- Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (Europa v3.3 or later)


Oh! there seems to be a confusion here. Please see 
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php


1) So "Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers" (125MB) is actually Eclipse 
Platform + WTP & it's pre-reqs. Ideally this should have been 'the 
only' pre-requisite for Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP). However we are 
currently running into a problem using this (Geronimo v1.0 & v1.2 
servers are not appearing in the list of available servers). Hence we 
have deferred using this until next GEP release i.e. 2.1. Please see 
GERONIMODEVTOOLS-180. I guess not having another JIRA opened for this 
problem, is the source of confusion. I will open a JIRA soon after this.


2) "Eclipse Classic" (140MB) is the one to be listed as the correct 
pre-requisite here for GEP 2.0.


- Shiva

Also, by prereqing WTP 2.0.1, I think it requires newer levels of
the all the
packages, based on the current prereq levels listed for WTP 2.0.1
RC1 at the
top of the following download page -


http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/M-2.0.1RC1-20070907070540/ 



Which means its targeted to Eclipse 3.3.1 which is supposed to ship
by end of
Sept.


-Donald

Ted Kirby wrote:
 > Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
 > Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
 >
 > On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
 >> Start of discussion thread.
 >> --
 >> Thanks,
 >> Tim McConnell
 >>




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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Donald Woods]

Thanks for the clarification.  Guess if users only wanted Geronimo 2.0 server 
support, then they could use the intended "for Java EE Developers" package, as 
that has been working for me, but I've only been testing against a 2.0.1 
server


-Donald

Shiva Kumar H R wrote:


On 9/13/07, *Donald Woods* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Need to be more specific on the Eclipse package that users need, now
that
there are 5 different distros -

 > 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
1 -- Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (Europa v3.3 or later)


Oh! there seems to be a confusion here. Please see 
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php


1) So "Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers" (125MB) is actually Eclipse 
Platform + WTP & it's pre-reqs. Ideally this should have been 'the only' 
pre-requisite for Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP). However we are 
currently running into a problem using this (Geronimo v1.0 & v1.2 
servers are not appearing in the list of available servers). Hence we 
have deferred using this until next GEP release i.e. 2.1. Please see 
GERONIMODEVTOOLS-180. I guess not having another JIRA opened for this 
problem, is the source of confusion. I will open a JIRA soon after this.


2) "Eclipse Classic" (140MB) is the one to be listed as the correct 
pre-requisite here for GEP 2.0.


- Shiva

Also, by prereqing WTP 2.0.1, I think it requires newer levels of
the all the
packages, based on the current prereq levels listed for WTP 2.0.1
RC1 at the
top of the following download page -


http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/M-2.0.1RC1-20070907070540/

Which means its targeted to Eclipse 3.3.1 which is supposed to ship
by end of
Sept.


-Donald

Ted Kirby wrote:
 > Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
 > Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
 >
 > On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
 >> Start of discussion thread.
 >> --
 >> Thanks,
 >> Tim McConnell
 >>




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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Shiva Kumar H R]

On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On 9/13/07, Donald Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Need to be more specific on the Eclipse package that users need, now
> > that
> > there are 5 different distros -
> >
> > > 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
> > 1 -- Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (Europa v3.3 or later)
>
>
> Oh! there seems to be a confusion here. Please see
> http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php
>
> 1) So "Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers" (125MB) is actually Eclipse
> Platform + WTP & it's pre-reqs. Ideally this should have been 'the only'
> pre-requisite for Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP). However we are currently
> running into a problem using this (Geronimo v1.0 & v1.2 servers are not
> appearing in the list of available servers). Hence we have deferred using
> this until next GEP release i.e. 2.1. Please see GERONIMODEVTOOLS-180. I
> guess not having another JIRA opened for this problem, is the source of
> confusion. I will open a JIRA soon after this.
>

GERONIMODEVTOOLS-204 opened for this.

2) "Eclipse Classic" (140MB) is the one to be listed as the correct
> pre-requisite here for GEP 2.0.
>
> - Shiva
>
> Also, by prereqing WTP 2.0.1, I think it requires newer levels of the all
> > the
> > packages, based on the current prereq levels listed for WTP 2.0.1 RC1 at
> > the
> > top of the following download page -
> >
> >
> > http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/M-2.0.1RC1-20070907070540/
> >
> > Which means its targeted to Eclipse 3.3.1 which is supposed to ship by
> > end of
> > Sept.
> >
> >
> > -Donald
> >
> > Ted Kirby wrote:
> > > Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
> > > Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
> > >
> > > On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Start of discussion thread.
> > >> --
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Tim McConnell
> > >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Shiva Kumar H R]

On 9/13/07, Donald Woods <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Need to be more specific on the Eclipse package that users need, now that
> there are 5 different distros -
>
> > 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
> 1 -- Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (Europa v3.3 or later)


Oh! there seems to be a confusion here. Please see
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/moreinfo/compare.php

1) So "Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers" (125MB) is actually Eclipse
Platform + WTP & it's pre-reqs. Ideally this should have been 'the only'
pre-requisite for Geronimo Eclipse Plug-in (GEP). However we are currently
running into a problem using this (Geronimo v1.0 & v1.2 servers are not
appearing in the list of available servers). Hence we have deferred using
this until next GEP release i.e. 2.1. Please see GERONIMODEVTOOLS-180. I
guess not having another JIRA opened for this problem, is the source of
confusion. I will open a JIRA soon after this.

2) "Eclipse Classic" (140MB) is the one to be listed as the correct
pre-requisite here for GEP 2.0.

- Shiva

Also, by prereqing WTP 2.0.1, I think it requires newer levels of the all
> the
> packages, based on the current prereq levels listed for WTP 2.0.1 RC1 at
> the
> top of the following download page -
>
>
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/M-2.0.1RC1-20070907070540/
>
> Which means its targeted to Eclipse 3.3.1 which is supposed to ship by end
> of
> Sept.
>
>
> -Donald
>
> Ted Kirby wrote:
> > Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
> > Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
> >
> > On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Start of discussion thread.
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >> Tim McConnell
> >>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Donald Woods]

Understand your frustrations, but the Eclipse levels in build.xml have nothing 
to do with the user runtime levels and don't need to be updated unless we want 
to use newer features/APIs in future Eclipse 3.3.x or WTP 2.0.x releases


I think we all have learned now not to depend on the major train releases of 
Eclipse, but to wait for the first maintenance release for any expected plugin 
releases


We also need to continue supporting the prior Eclipse level in future plugin 
updates, for any of our ISV and production users, who can't always upgrade to 
the latest Eclipse levels due to other project requirements or tool 
dependencies



-Donald

Ted Kirby wrote:

Tim and I have been working hard on getting the "Download and Install"
function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
install it your machine.  The stablest level on which we have found
this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1.  Other minor issues/problems occur at
lower WTP levels.  Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
been tedious and buggy.  I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1.  I have been frustrated to not be
able to work on other things because of these issues.  You may well
judge that I am unduly focused on these issues.  I am glad that you
and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements.  I
am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point.  What level of
WTP are you using?  The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
9/28 GA.  I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
with WTP2.0.1RC1.  Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
build.xml to move to that level.  It unfortunately seems prudent for
us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we use
work.

Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ted,
I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to 2.0.1 from
2.0. However on
http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?

- Shiva


On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Start of discussion thread.
--
Thanks,
Tim McConnell










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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Anita Kulshreshtha]

FWIW, I followed the "Use Staging Site" instructions and used update
manager's staging_site to download tomcat version on windows. The
server and the admin console started fine. I got download urls for
various parts from ant build file at
http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/build.xml
   

Thanks
Anita
 
--- Ted Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Tim and I have been working hard on getting the "Download and
> Install"
> function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
> install it your machine.  The stablest level on which we have found
> this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1.  Other minor issues/problems occur at
> lower WTP levels.  Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
> been tedious and buggy.  I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
> any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1.  I have been frustrated to not be
> able to work on other things because of these issues.  You may well
> judge that I am unduly focused on these issues.  I am glad that you
> and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements.  I
> am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point.  What level of
> WTP are you using?  The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
> 9/28 GA.  I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
> with WTP2.0.1RC1.  Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
> when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
> build.xml to move to that level.  It unfortunately seems prudent for
> us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we
> use
> work.
> 
> Ted Kirby
> 
> On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ted,
> > I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to
> 2.0.1 from
> > 2.0. However on
> > http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
> > 2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?
> >
> > - Shiva
> >
> >
> > On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
> > > Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
> > >
> > > On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Start of discussion thread.
> > > > --
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Tim McConnell
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 



  

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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Ted Kirby]

Tim and I have been working hard on getting the "Download and Install"
function to work to download a server for the eclipse update site and
install it your machine.  The stablest level on which we have found
this to work is WTP2.0.1RC1.  Other minor issues/problems occur at
lower WTP levels.  Running and debugging the plugin in eclipse has
been tedious and buggy.  I would vote -99 for releasing the plugin on
any level less than WTP2.0.1RC1.  I have been frustrated to not be
able to work on other things because of these issues.  You may well
judge that I am unduly focused on these issues.  I am glad that you
and others have success with the plugin and various enhancements.  I
am certainly disappointed in WTP2.0.x at this point.  What level of
WTP are you using?  The WTP 2.0.1 release schedule is here:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Release_2.0.1_Schedule, and calls for a
9/28 GA.  I am good with an Apache Geronimo Eclipse plugin GA running
with WTP2.0.1RC1.  Assuming WTP2.0.1 GA works as well as this one,
when it comes out, I think we should upgrade our levels and Tim's
build.xml to move to that level.  It unfortunately seems prudent for
us to dig into the eclipse WTP community to make sure the parts we use
work.

Ted Kirby

On 9/13/07, Shiva Kumar H R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ted,
> I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to 2.0.1 from
> 2.0. However on
> http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
> 2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?
>
> - Shiva
>
>
> On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
> > Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
> >
> > On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Start of discussion thread.
> > > --
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tim McConnell
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Donald Woods]

Need to be more specific on the Eclipse package that users need, now that 
there are 5 different distros -


> 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
1 -- Eclipse IDE for Java EE Developers (Europa v3.3 or later)

Also, by prereqing WTP 2.0.1, I think it requires newer levels of the all the 
packages, based on the current prereq levels listed for WTP 2.0.1 RC1 at the 
top of the following download page -


http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/drops/R2.0/M-2.0.1RC1-20070907070540/

Which means its targeted to Eclipse 3.3.1 which is supposed to ship by end of 
Sept.



-Donald

Ted Kirby wrote:

Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Start of discussion thread.
--
Thanks,
Tim McConnell



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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Donald Woods]

You'd have to ask Sachin why he named the assemblies that way.


-Donald

Jacek Laskowski wrote:

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Start of discussion thread.


Hi Tim,

I'm pretty sure I asked about it (or was about to have asked, but
failed), but why is the plugin called g-eclipse-plugin? Wouldn't it be
better off if it called geronimo-eclipse-plugin? It doesn't say much
when I have g-eclipse-plugin in my eclipse plugin repository and in
discussions people tend to use geronimo-eclipse-plugin even though it
may seem to be easier to say g-eclipse-plugin and following the
plugin's name. It can be confusing.

I think I should've noted it sooner and I do appologize to talk about
it now right before the plugin is to be released and am leaning
towards -1 because of the name (I don't want to be disruptive to the
process, so just a friendly reminder I should not do that do the trick
just fine ;-))

Jacek



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Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Shiva Kumar H R]

On 9/13/07, Jacek Laskowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Start of discussion thread.
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> I'm pretty sure I asked about it (or was about to have asked, but
> failed), but why is the plugin called g-eclipse-plugin? Wouldn't it be
> better off if it called geronimo-eclipse-plugin? It doesn't say much
> when I have g-eclipse-plugin in my eclipse plugin repository and in
> discussions people tend to use geronimo-eclipse-plugin even though it
> may seem to be easier to say g-eclipse-plugin and following the
> plugin's name. It can be confusing.
>
> I think I should've noted it sooner and I do appologize to talk about
> it now right before the plugin is to be released and am leaning
> towards -1 because of the name (I don't want to be disruptive to the
> process, so just a friendly reminder I should not do that do the trick
> just fine ;-))


Agree with Jacek about changing the name from "g-eclipse-plugin-*" to
"geronimo-eclipse-plugin-*". There will then be consistency in what we have
and what we speak.

Jacek,
Will it be fine if we do this in the next release 2.1? We probably can have
a JIRA opened for this so that we don't loose track of this. Getting 2.0 out
will allow us to focus back on trunk, in which we want to propose some major
changes to Geronimo deployment plan editors.

- Shiva

Jacek
>
> --
> Jacek Laskowski
> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Shiva Kumar H R]

On 9/13/07, Anita Kulshreshtha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I would like to see download links to the following items on the
> project site at http://geronimo.apache.org/development-tools.html under
> prerequisites section.


Thanks for capturing this Anita. Also
http://geronimo.apache.org/development-tools.htm currently mentions the
pre-requisite as "WebTools Platform Runtime 1.5.1 driver", version should be
updated to "2.0".

> 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
> > 2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1


2.0.1 again! Am I missing something?? Shouldn't this be 2.0?

> 3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
> > 4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
> > 5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3
>
>
> Thanks
> Anita
>
> > On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Start of discussion thread.
> > > --
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tim McConnell
> > >
> > >
>
> 
> > ===  Step #1 -- Install prerequisites
> >===
> >
>
> 
> > The Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 has a number of prerequisites that
> > must be
> > installed prior to the installation of the plugin itself. These are
> > necessary
> > to establish the proper Eclipse installation. They are:
> >
> > 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
> > 2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1
> > 3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
> > 4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
> > 5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3
> >
> > You can manually download the latest versions of these artifacts but
> > it is
> > somewhat cumbersome. Instead I've created an ant script (that is
> > based on
> > the one used to build the plugin) that you can use that will download
> > and unzip
> > everything for you. You can get it from here:
> >
> > http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/build.xml
> >
> > After you download it somewhere (preferably in a temp subdirectory)
> > you can just
> > invoke it for your specific platform using one of these three
> > commands:
> >
> > > ant win32
> > > ant linux
> > > ant macos
> >
> > It will create an /org/EUROPA/eclipse/3.3 subdirectory with all the
> > downloaded artifacts and an /EUROPA/eclipse subdirectory where
> > everything has
> > been unzipped. This is now the Eclipse installation directly you
> > should use to
> > test the Geronimo Eclipse 2.0.0 plugin.
> >
> > If you don't wish to use the ant script it's very important to ensure
> > you have
> > the latest versions of each -- otherwise the plugin will not function
> > correctly.
> > For example, the WTP 2.0.0 release is fairly old and buggy, and our
> > plugin will
> > not function correctly. That is why this ant script downloads and
> > installs the
> > WTP 2.0.1 RC1 artifacts.
> >
> >
> > Now that you have all the prerequisites you can do either of the two
> > scenarios
> > below since each must work and both should emulate how it will be
> > installed and
> > used in the real world.  Scenarios #1 and #2 are mutually exclusive
> > though --
> > do one or the other but not both unless you first delete and recreate
> > your
> > Eclipse installation directory (preferably with the ant script
> > above).
> >
> >
>
> 
> > ===  Scenario #1 -- Upzip everything
> >===
> >
>
> 
> > You can just download the plugin itself and unzip it into the same
> > directory
> > where all the prereqs were installed (e.g., EUROPA/eclipse). If you
> > choose
> > this option you must have an installed version of the Geronimo 2.0.1
> > server
> > somewhere on your system so that you can define an Geronimo Server
> > configuration. If you've never done this before the steps are fairly
> > straightforward:
> >
> > 1 -- Download the plugin and unzip into your EUROPA/eclipse
> > directory.
> >  You can download the plugin from here:
> >
> >
>
> http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/g-eclipse-plugin-2.0.0-deployable-RC2.zip
> >
> > 2 -- Invoke the eclipse executable from your EUROPA/eclipse
> > directory. Select or
> >  accept the default workspace.
> >
> > 3 -- Open the Java EE perspective. From within Eclipse:
> >
> >  a. Close the Welcome tab
> >
> >  b. Select Window --> Open Perspective --> Other --> Java EE
> > You should now be in the Java EE perspective. You can see the
> > open
> > perspective tabs in the upper right-hand corner of your
> > Eclipse
> > workspace.
> >
> > 4 -- Define a new server. From Eclipse select:
> >
> >  a. File --> New --> Other --> Server --> Server --> Next -->
> > Apache.
> > At this point you must see the Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server
> > selection
> > or the plugin was not installed/unzipped correctly.

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Shiva Kumar H R]

Ted,
I see you have updated the version of Web Tools Platform (WTP) to 2.0.1 from
2.0. However on http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ I see that
2.0.1 is not yet released (only RC1 is available). Was it a typo?

- Shiva

On 9/13/07, Ted Kirby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
> Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.
>
> On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Start of discussion thread.
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Tim McConnell
> >
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Jacek Laskowski]

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Start of discussion thread.

Hi Tim,

I'm pretty sure I asked about it (or was about to have asked, but
failed), but why is the plugin called g-eclipse-plugin? Wouldn't it be
better off if it called geronimo-eclipse-plugin? It doesn't say much
when I have g-eclipse-plugin in my eclipse plugin repository and in
discussions people tend to use geronimo-eclipse-plugin even though it
may seem to be easier to say g-eclipse-plugin and following the
plugin's name. It can be confusing.

I think I should've noted it sooner and I do appologize to talk about
it now right before the plugin is to be released and am leaning
towards -1 because of the name (I don't want to be disruptive to the
process, so just a friendly reminder I should not do that do the trick
just fine ;-))

Jacek

-- 
Jacek Laskowski
http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Anita Kulshreshtha]

   I would like to see download links to the following items on the
project site at http://geronimo.apache.org/development-tools.html under
prerequisites section.

> 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
> 2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1
> 3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
> 4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
> 5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3

   
Thanks
Anita

> On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Start of discussion thread.
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Tim McConnell
> >
> >

> ===  Step #1 -- Install prerequisites
>===
>

> The Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 has a number of prerequisites that
> must be 
> installed prior to the installation of the plugin itself. These are
> necessary 
> to establish the proper Eclipse installation. They are:
> 
> 1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
> 2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1
> 3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
> 4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
> 5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3
> 
> You can manually download the latest versions of these artifacts but
> it is 
> somewhat cumbersome. Instead I've created an ant script (that is
> based on 
> the one used to build the plugin) that you can use that will download
> and unzip 
> everything for you. You can get it from here:
> 
> http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/build.xml
> 
> After you download it somewhere (preferably in a temp subdirectory)
> you can just 
> invoke it for your specific platform using one of these three
> commands:
> 
> > ant win32
> > ant linux
> > ant macos
> 
> It will create an /org/EUROPA/eclipse/3.3 subdirectory with all the 
> downloaded artifacts and an /EUROPA/eclipse subdirectory where
> everything has 
> been unzipped. This is now the Eclipse installation directly you
> should use to 
> test the Geronimo Eclipse 2.0.0 plugin. 
> 
> If you don't wish to use the ant script it's very important to ensure
> you have
> the latest versions of each -- otherwise the plugin will not function
> correctly. 
> For example, the WTP 2.0.0 release is fairly old and buggy, and our
> plugin will
> not function correctly. That is why this ant script downloads and
> installs the 
> WTP 2.0.1 RC1 artifacts. 
> 
> 
> Now that you have all the prerequisites you can do either of the two
> scenarios
> below since each must work and both should emulate how it will be
> installed and 
> used in the real world.  Scenarios #1 and #2 are mutually exclusive
> though -- 
> do one or the other but not both unless you first delete and recreate
> your
> Eclipse installation directory (preferably with the ant script
> above). 
> 
>

> ===  Scenario #1 -- Upzip everything 
>===
>

> You can just download the plugin itself and unzip it into the same
> directory
> where all the prereqs were installed (e.g., EUROPA/eclipse). If you
> choose 
> this option you must have an installed version of the Geronimo 2.0.1
> server 
> somewhere on your system so that you can define an Geronimo Server 
> configuration. If you've never done this before the steps are fairly 
> straightforward:
> 
> 1 -- Download the plugin and unzip into your EUROPA/eclipse
> directory.
>  You can download the plugin from here: 
> 
>
http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/g-eclipse-plugin-2.0.0-deployable-RC2.zip
> 
> 2 -- Invoke the eclipse executable from your EUROPA/eclipse
> directory. Select or
>  accept the default workspace. 
> 
> 3 -- Open the Java EE perspective. From within Eclipse:
> 
>  a. Close the Welcome tab
> 
>  b. Select Window --> Open Perspective --> Other --> Java EE
> You should now be in the Java EE perspective. You can see the
> open 
> perspective tabs in the upper right-hand corner of your
> Eclipse  
> workspace.
> 
> 4 -- Define a new server. From Eclipse select:
> 
>  a. File --> New --> Other --> Server --> Server --> Next -->
> Apache. 
> At this point you must see the Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server
> selection
> or the plugin was not installed/unzipped correctly. 
> 
>  b. Select "Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server" --> Next --> then enter
> the root 
> directory of your Geronimo server installation --> Next -->
> Next --> 
> Next --> Finish
> 
>  c. Now in the Java EE perspective you should see the Apache
> Geronimo v2.0 
> server (bottom pane, middle tab usually) that you can now
> start in 
> Eclipse (either right-click on it and select start or select
> the little
> green and white arrow on t

Re: [DISCUSS] Release Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 (RC2)

[Ted Kirby]

Looks good.  Thanks Tim.
Attached are some minor updates/feedback on your instructions.

On 9/12/07, Tim McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Start of discussion thread.
> --
> Thanks,
> Tim McConnell
>

===  Step #1 -- Install prerequisites===

The Geronimo Eclipse Plugin 2.0.0 has a number of prerequisites that must be 
installed prior to the installation of the plugin itself. These are necessary 
to establish the proper Eclipse installation. They are:

1 -- Europa (also known as Eclipse 3.3), which is platform specific
2 -- Web Tools Platform (WTP) 2.0.1
3 -- Data Tools Platform (DTP) 1.5
4 -- Eclipse Modeling Framework (EMF) 2.3
5 -- Graphical Editing Framework (GEF) 3.3

You can manually download the latest versions of these artifacts but it is 
somewhat cumbersome. Instead I've created an ant script (that is based on 
the one used to build the plugin) that you can use that will download and unzip 
everything for you. You can get it from here:

http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/build.xml

After you download it somewhere (preferably in a temp subdirectory) you can 
just 
invoke it for your specific platform using one of these three commands:

> ant win32
> ant linux
> ant macos

It will create an /org/EUROPA/eclipse/3.3 subdirectory with all the 
downloaded artifacts and an /EUROPA/eclipse subdirectory where everything has 
been unzipped. This is now the Eclipse installation directly you should use to 
test the Geronimo Eclipse 2.0.0 plugin. 

If you don't wish to use the ant script it's very important to ensure you have
the latest versions of each -- otherwise the plugin will not function 
correctly. 
For example, the WTP 2.0.0 release is fairly old and buggy, and our plugin will
not function correctly. That is why this ant script downloads and installs the 
WTP 2.0.1 RC1 artifacts. 


Now that you have all the prerequisites you can do either of the two scenarios
below since each must work and both should emulate how it will be installed and 
used in the real world.  Scenarios #1 and #2 are mutually exclusive though -- 
do one or the other but not both unless you first delete and recreate your
Eclipse installation directory (preferably with the ant script above). 


===  Scenario #1 -- Upzip everything ===

You can just download the plugin itself and unzip it into the same directory
where all the prereqs were installed (e.g., EUROPA/eclipse). If you choose 
this option you must have an installed version of the Geronimo 2.0.1 server 
somewhere on your system so that you can define an Geronimo Server 
configuration. If you've never done this before the steps are fairly 
straightforward:

1 -- Download the plugin and unzip into your EUROPA/eclipse directory.
 You can download the plugin from here: 

http://people.apache.org/~mcconne/releases/RC2/g-eclipse-plugin-2.0.0-deployable-RC2.zip

2 -- Invoke the eclipse executable from your EUROPA/eclipse directory. Select or
 accept the default workspace. 

3 -- Open the Java EE perspective. From within Eclipse:

 a. Close the Welcome tab

 b. Select Window --> Open Perspective --> Other --> Java EE
You should now be in the Java EE perspective. You can see the open 
perspective tabs in the upper right-hand corner of your Eclipse  
workspace.

4 -- Define a new server. From Eclipse select:

 a. File --> New --> Other --> Server --> Server --> Next --> Apache. 
At this point you must see the Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server selection
or the plugin was not installed/unzipped correctly. 

 b. Select "Apache Geronimo v2.0 Server" --> Next --> then enter the root 
directory of your Geronimo server installation --> Next --> Next --> 
Next --> Finish

 c. Now in the Java EE perspective you should see the Apache Geronimo v2.0 
server (bottom pane, middle tab usually) that you can now start in 
Eclipse (either right-click on it and select start or select the little
green and white arrow on the far right of the server pane). You should 
then see the console and the familiar server startup messages.

 d. Right-click on the server and select "Launch Geronimo Console" to bring
up an admin console browser window in eclipse.


===  Scenario #2 -- Use Staging Site ===

Alternatively, you can download both the Eclipse Plugin and the Geronimo 
s