[l10n-dev] Re: IMPORTANT: pls fix double names

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Rafaella,

looking at the results for Slovenian (sl) I see 1 error, but do not
understand it (besides that some tests report: "failed", so are there
additional errors not explained?).

Here is a snippet from the Slovenian part of the report, please explain the
error to me as I do not understand it:

ooo/l10ntools/scripts/doublecheck.sh
10 strings found in sl/localize.sdf for -m sw -f source.ui.utlui.poolfmt.src
-g STR_POOLNUMRULE_.* -l .*
Entry double for LANG=sl in file sl/localize.sdf
swsource\ui\utlui\poolfmt.src0string
STR_POOLCOLL_HEADLINE_BASE0slNaslov
20110324 13:31:50
swsource\ui\utlui\poolfmt.src0string
STR_POOLCOLL_DOC_TITEL0slNaslov
20110324 13:31:50
122 strings found in sl/localize.sdf for -m sw -f
source.ui.utlui.poolfmt.src -g STR_POOLCOLL_.* -l .*
failed

It would help if the test would also list the original English entry. In
this case the problem is because both strings are the same? What if in a
given language two different English terms use same word? What is the
original English text (I should probably check the Slovenian sdf).

Thanks,
m.
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[l10n-dev] Re: AutoText not localizable

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

this is a known bug:
http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=66304

The 3.x is a moving target and it seems the bug will not be fixed in OOo,
but thankfully this bug has been fixed in LibreOffice.

Lp, m.
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[l10n-dev] New strings

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,
m101 introduced these four strings that I do not know what they correspond
to. Can someone explain them to me?

1/2) Start with center / End with center

3) Files Found
(is it used with a numeral before it, like 10 Files Found, or is it just a
brief that some files have been found?)

4) Global View

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m.
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Re: [l10n-dev] OpenOffice.org 3.3 - PLS approve and request language versions

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi *,

I have a small problem with the concept of automatic testing and approving
as well. The automatic testing after the time for manual testing has passed
presumes that all L10N teams want to release their language version.

However there could be a situation where the localization would be subpar
for the lang team translation quality criteria to release - but in your
scenario the team loses the possibility to stop the release in their
language (in the old system the lang team simply did not start testing the
release).

So the change is this: instead of
you test and release all builds you can
you are proposing
we will test and release all if you do not have resources or time

Of course the benefit to OOo is that it is released in many more languages.
But what good are these numbers if the localizations are not tested by
native speakers?

The automatic testing doesn't seem to go well with languages that do not
have tests localized - will now even languages without localized tests be
released as QAed?

I know many of these thoughts are speculations on my part, but I just want
to open discussion about questions that really matter
translation-quality-wise - the testing of which cannot be left to the
Hamburg team or computers - as they do not understand/speak ... Slovenian :)

Lp, m.

[l10n-dev] m100

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

the m100 brings several updates of strings in help, where I am puzzled if
this is a true change:
hid=\"sw:CheckBox:TP_OPTPRINT_PAGE:CB_BLACK_FONT\"
gets changed into
hid=\"SW:CHECKBOX:TP_OPTPRINT_PAGE:CB_BLACK_FONT\"

Is this not a consequence of the OOo help editor? Is this change really
necessary (i.e. if this is not necessary you are making 100 l10n teams
translate/edit/ review these strings for no reason at all).

Just want to know before I start working (in vain?).

Thanks,
m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Dictionaries in OOo 3.3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2011/2/1 Stephan Bergmann 

> See the dev@ooo branch of this mail thread for an analysis of the problem.
>
>
What? Where is that mailing list? Can't you post just a summary of the
resolution of this bug here? Or do we have to subscribe to 7 mailing lists
to read about a single issue and understand what is going on? Can you make
it more user-unfriendly?

Lp, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Slovenian lang at extensions site

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2011/1/26 Clio 

> See this message
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=website&msgNo=1031
>
>
Thanks for the info.

m.

[l10n-dev] Slovenian lang at extensions site

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

why was Slovenian language removed from the Extensions site? We completely
localized the site and now it is gone.

What is happening?

LP, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Releasing OOo 3.3 via issues

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

2011/1/21 Marcus Lange 

>
> If not, we can do the release via issues only. Open a new one to let us
> know which files you have tested + approved and would like to see with
> release status. Assign the issue directly to "issues@qa".
>

Done for Slovenian:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=116619

Lp, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Stopper?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

I need to do it? Ok, I will join the list, propose this as a stopper and the
unjoin the list. Hopefully tomorrow evening I will have time.

Lp, m.

2010/12/13 Alexandro Colorado 

> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Martin Srebotnjak 
> wrote:
> > Rafaella,
> > I am not a member of that list, could you or someone who is do it?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > m.
>
> hi you have to do it yourself. Go to http://l10n.openoffice.org then
> go to Mailing Lists and follow the instructions.
>
> >
> > 2010/12/13 Rafaella Braconi 
> >
> >> Hi Martin,
> >>
> >> we could reproduce it. Please go ahead and nomitate it as stopper in the
> >> relea...@openoffice.org list.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Rafaella
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/13/10 11:12 AM, Rafaella Braconi wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Martin,
> >>>
> >>> thank you for reporting. I've forwarded the issue to the QA for
> >>> evaluation.
> >>>
> >>> Rafaella
> >>>
> >>> On 12/13/10 10:41 AM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> 2010/12/13 Goran Rakic 
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> У пон, 13. 12 2010. у 09:30 +0100, Martin Srebotnjak пише:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Just asking for your opinion.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yesterday I found this bug:
> >>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=116085
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do you think this is a stopper for 3.3?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Lp, m.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Is this a regression from 3.2.1?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not sure, but at least on 3.2 I do not remember this happened and
> I
> >>>> did
> >>>> use this procedure then already.
> >>>>
> >>>> If someone still has 3.2 or 3.2.1 installed maybe they can try.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lp, m.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] Stopper?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Rafaella,
I am not a member of that list, could you or someone who is do it?

Thanks,
m.

2010/12/13 Rafaella Braconi 

> Hi Martin,
>
> we could reproduce it. Please go ahead and nomitate it as stopper in the
> relea...@openoffice.org list.
>
> Thanks,
> Rafaella
>
>
> On 12/13/10 11:12 AM, Rafaella Braconi wrote:
>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> thank you for reporting. I've forwarded the issue to the QA for
>> evaluation.
>>
>> Rafaella
>>
>> On 12/13/10 10:41 AM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>>
>>> 2010/12/13 Goran Rakic 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> У пон, 13. 12 2010. у 09:30 +0100, Martin Srebotnjak пише:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Just asking for your opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday I found this bug:
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=116085
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think this is a stopper for 3.3?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lp, m.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Is this a regression from 3.2.1?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure, but at least on 3.2 I do not remember this happened and I
>>> did
>>> use this procedure then already.
>>>
>>> If someone still has 3.2 or 3.2.1 installed maybe they can try.
>>>
>>> Lp, m.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] Stopper?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/12/13 Goran Rakic 

> У пон, 13. 12 2010. у 09:30 +0100, Martin Srebotnjak пише:
> > Just asking for your opinion.
> >
> > Yesterday I found this bug:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=116085
> >
> > Do you think this is a stopper for 3.3?
> >
> > Lp, m.
>
> Is this a regression from 3.2.1?
>

I am not sure, but at least on 3.2 I do not remember this happened and I did
use this procedure then already.

If someone still has 3.2 or 3.2.1 installed maybe they can try.

Lp, m.

[l10n-dev] Stopper?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Just asking for your opinion.

Yesterday I found this bug:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=116085

Do you think this is a stopper for 3.3?

Lp, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] The localization process will be changed into a continuous process soon

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/12/9 Pavel Janík :
> Do you support "static" ie. non-Pootle URLs?
>
>> *Non-Pootle users should upload translated sdf files to
>> ftp://qa-upload.services.openoffice.org/l10n/upload
>
> Anonymous upload? Ups. isn't it better to fetch defined URLs?

It is easier to use fixed URLs, I guess, just as Pavel is using them
now, it makes our life easier.

Lp, m.

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Re: [l10n-dev] Updated the list of contributors on OOo Credits webpage

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

I do not know who this is, but the output seems garbled - it must be
some encoding issue:
Tom� Balc�k

Lp, m.

2010/11/15 Marcus Lange :
> Hi all,
>
> thanks to all how have pointed to wrongly written names or new ones.
> I've fixed this (via copy & paste) on the known webpage
> "http://www.openoffice.org/welcome/credits.html";. Please verify that it's
> now OK. Further fixes/additions please tell me via issue.
>
> @Goran:
> I'm happy to add everybody who has done something for the project, for the
> product.
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Marcus
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Re: [l10n-dev] Japanese translation of the text on "Help - about dialog"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/11/13 Andrea Pescetti :
> I assumed the "Credits" page was the same as the list appearing with the
> CTRL+s,d,t hidden shortcut in the About box and that only people who had
> signed JAC/SCA were listed there (since this was a precondition to
> "contribution"). At least, my name appeared there after I had signed the
> JCA, regardless of my actual contributions.

I signed JCA years ago but my name did not appear there.

Lp, m.

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Re: [l10n-dev] Japanese translation of the text on "Help - about dialog"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Also, I would ask to properly display Urška's name: "Urska Colner" ->
"Urška Colner" (s with caron).

Lp, m.

2010/11/13 Martin Srebotnjak :
> 2010/11/12 Rafaella Braconi :
>> Yes, all the ones who have contributed to the OpenOffice.org project. So you
>> are perfectly entitled to be added there.
>
> Rafaella, that would be really nice.
>
> LP, m.
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Re: [l10n-dev] Japanese translation of the text on "Help - about dialog"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/11/12 Rafaella Braconi :
> Yes, all the ones who have contributed to the OpenOffice.org project. So you
> are perfectly entitled to be added there.

Rafaella, that would be really nice.

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Re: [l10n-dev] Japanese translation of the text on "Help - about dialog"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

So, Marcus, I must ask to see my share of work to be recognized as a
valuable contribution to OOo?

Lp, m.

2010/11/11 Marcus Lange 

> Hi Martin,
>
> I can see names from developers, QA people, release engineers, localizers,
> documentation writer, marketing, tooling.
>
> IMHO everybody who has contributed to the project (and knew the webpage and
> wanted to be listed here ;-) ).
>
> Best regards
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
> Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>
>> Who are those people listed there?
>> Programmers and supporters or even localizers?
>>
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] Japanese translation of the text on "Help - about dialog"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Who are those people listed there?
Programmers and supporters or even localizers?

lp, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] -- New Pootle server available --

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Obviously in the 6 milestones from m84 to m92 some code changes happened,
those files had each a small number of similar strings, they must have been
removed or joined or something.

You can look into EIS what happened within those milestones and even find a
CWS that did that change.

LP, m.

2010/11/6 Jordi Serratosa 

> Hi
> On the topic of different files in old and new Pootle, for Catalan it says
> (for UI):
> Old Pootle: 230 files
> New Pootle: 226 files
>
> I ran a file comparison and these are the differences:
>
> This 1 file is *new* (it did not exist in the old Pootle server):
> \sd\source\ui\slidesorter\view.po
>
> These files have been removed in the new Pootle server:
> \filter\source\graphicfilter\egif.po
> \filter\source\graphicfilter\eos2met.po
> \filter\source\graphicfilter\epbm.po
> \filter\source\graphicfilter\epgm.po
> \filter\source\graphicfilter\epict.po
> \filter\source\graphicfilter\eppm.po
>
> Is that intentional and correct?
>
> salut
> jordi s
>
>
> El 06/11/2010 12:10, en/na Lior Kaplan ha escrit:
>
>  On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Frank Mau  wrote:
>>
>>   New Pootle server available, pls. use
>>> http://pootle.services.openoffice.org and have happy translating on it!
>>>
>>> The server is the replacement for the old two zones we had used over
>>> years.
>>> The complete content was migrated to the new one, but is also available
>>> in
>>> read-only mode under the known old URLs.
>>>
>>>  Thanks for the upgrade... it now easier to work with Pootlle.
>>
>> And a question about the move:
>> On the old server Hebrew had "249 files, 89815/97711 words (91%)
>> translated [28339/30014
>> strings]"
>> On the new server Hebrew have "225 files 83524/90526 words (92%)
>> translated [25527/27157
>> strings]"
>>
>> Seems like not all files/strings were moved to the new server... Or was
>> this
>> some intentional work done here to merge strings ?
>>
>> Kaplan
>>
>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] Fwd: Re: [l10n-tools] -- New Pootle server available --

[Martin Srebotnjak]

OOO330 was branched from DEVm84 or so, the new Pootle includes DEV300 m92,
which leads to OOO340 and beyond.

Lp, m.

2010/11/6 Jordi Serratosa 

> Forwarding to dev list for visibility...
>
>  Missatge original 
> Assumpte:   Re: [l10n-tools] -- New Pootle server available --
> Data:   Sat, 06 Nov 2010 12:05:01 +0100
> De: Jordi Serratosa 
> A:  to...@l10n.openoffice.org
>
>
>
> Hi
> Thanks for your work Frank.
> For Catalan I'm seeing some word to translate. Is that normal? I thought
> there would be no more translation until 3.3 is released... If there is,
> does that mean that for next RC strings will be pulled from pootle again?
> --
> salut
> jordi s
>
>
> "Frank Mau"  wrote:
>
>  New Pootle server available, pls. use
>> http://pootle.services.openoffice.org and have happy translating on it!
>>
>> The server is the replacement for the old two zones we had used over
>> years. The complete content was migrated to the new one, but is also
>> available in read-only mode under the known old URLs.
>>
>> *Need to know*
>>
>> We switch the productive environment NOW, so use the above named URL.
>> Latest milestone DEV300 m92 uploaded.
>>
>> *What has changed?*
>> Well beside the performance-boost, we have all languages under one hat,
>>
>> this allows to use the complete set of capabilities of the new Pootle
>> 2.1.x software (e.g. showing beside the source and target language a
>> third language, team administration for language-leads, ...) which will
>>
>> increase the translation process. Big thank you in the direction of
>> South Africa and the complete Pootle team there, great support!!!
>>
>> The maintenance of the server is much easier as before so we will
>> introduce some continuous processes for updating milestones on the
>> server and have generic exports to allow l10n-builds with increasing
>> frequency. These topics will be addressed in the near future so we can
>> fulfill the major l10n-wish: _short turnarounds_. Stay tuned here!!!
>>
>> *Participation*
>> We have some new languages on the server. If you are interested to help
>>
>> in some of the l10n projects of OpenOffice.org have a look at
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages and ask the
>> responsible language-leads. /You are always welcome/!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Frank
>> --
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] -- New Pootle server available --

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

please for Slovenian add also the "OO.o L10n TCM" po file to the translation
project in the new Pootle.

Thanks,
m.

2010/11/6 Frank Mau 

>  New Pootle server available, pls. use
> http://pootle.services.openoffice.org and have happy translating on it!
>
> The server is the replacement for the old two zones we had used over years.
> The complete content was migrated to the new one, but is also available in
> read-only mode under the known old URLs.
>
> *Need to know*
> We switch the productive environment NOW, so use the above named URL.
> Latest milestone DEV300 m92 uploaded.
>
> *What has changed?*
> Well beside the performance-boost, we have all languages under one hat,
> this allows to use the complete set of capabilities of the new Pootle 2.1.x
> software (e.g. showing beside the source and target language a third
> language, team administration for language-leads, ...) which will increase
> the translation process. Big thank you in the direction of South Africa and
> the complete Pootle team there, great support!!!
>
> The maintenance of the server is much easier as before so we will introduce
> some continuous processes for updating milestones on the server and have
> generic exports to allow l10n-builds with increasing frequency. These topics
> will be addressed in the near future so we can fulfill the major l10n-wish:
> *short turnarounds*. Stay tuned here!!!
>
> *Participation*
> We have some new languages on the server. If you are interested to help in
> some of the l10n projects of OpenOffice.org have a look at
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages and ask the responsible
> language-leads. *You are always welcome*!
>
> Cheers,
> Frank
> --
>
> 
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> Phone: +49 40 23646894
> Oracle Oracle Open Office Operations
>
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>
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Re: [l10n-dev] [Fwd: [l10n-tools] Test hour for Pootle now under way]

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Thanks.

Can you also add L10 tests po files to the Slovenian translation project in
the new Pootle?

Lp,
m.

2010/10/4 Rafaella Braconi 

>  Forwarding to the d...@l10n list
>
> Rafaella
> 
>
> Hi everybody
>
> Welcome to the Pootle test day!  Please head over to the new Pootle
> server:http://stage1.services.openoffice.org/
>
> All the data there is test data, so you can do whatever you want! Try to
> download, upload, and translate.  Look at the quality checks, do some
> text searches, change your account settings - anything you can think of.
>
> Several people from the Pootle community is in #pootle onirc.freenode.net 
> ready to help if there are any questions, and we are
> currently monitoring the server for performance or other issues.
>
> Let us know how the performance is for you, or if you see any serious
> features misbehaving.  To see some of the newest features like rights
> assignment and terminology creation, you will need to be administrator
> for your language.  Join us in IRC to ask for any permissions you might
> still need.
>
> Keep well
> Friedel
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: last translation / l10n fixes deadline for OpenOffice.org 3.3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Dear Rafaella,

I just entered an issue for final Slovenian 3.3 sdf:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=114778

It includes the translation of new strings introduced with OOO330-m9.

Lp, m.

2010/9/27 Rafaella Braconi 

> Dear All,
>
> this is to remind you that the very last deadline to provide fixes and
> latest translations is approaching.
> Please make sure to provide SDF files via issue as usual by September 30th.
> Pootle users: please make sure to update the Pootle content (new and fuzzy
> strings) by September 30th.
>
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation_for_3.3#Localization_Schedule
>
> If any questions, just let me know.
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Re: [l10n-dev] On translating product names (Was: About string change in latest trasnsation drop: @MINIMIZEREXTENSIONPRODUCTNAME@)

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Goran,

although this does not directly reply to your post (I agree with what you
wrote) I believe this extension just doesn't get build for languages, not
officially supported by Oracle (was Sun - the Star Office supported
languages, now Oracle Open Office).

Which is a shame. I asked about this on this list a few months ago but did
not get even a single reply.

Might we just stop wasting our time translating these extensions?

Lp, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] About string change in latest trasnsation drop: @MINIMIZEREXTENSIONPRODUCTNAME@

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Plus OpenOffice.org does not provide localized builds, only Oracle does so
most teams should not even localize it (unless Oracle pays us). Thank God
Pavel does make builds, although not Windows ones, so our Slovenian
translation can at least be seen and used!

The OOOVENDOR string, I guess, is set in the build scripts.

m.

2010/9/22 Ivo Hinkelmann 

> Hi,
>
>
> On 22.09.2010 21:17, Jordi Serratosa wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> I see the latest translation drop basically was changing file:
>> \sdext\source\minimizer\registry\data\org\openoffice\Office\extension.po
>>
>> Particularly, %EXTENSIONNAME and "Oracle Presentation Minimizer" was
>> changed into:
>> @MINIMIZEREXTENSIONPRODUCTNAME@
>>
>> In previous version of the file, there was the following string:
>>
>> #:
>>
>> SunPresentationMinimizer.xcu#.SunPresentationMinimizer.Strings.STR_SUN_OPTIMIZATION_WIZARD2.value.text
>>
>> msgctxt
>>
>> "SunPresentationMinimizer.xcu#.SunPresentationMinimizer.Strings.STR_SUN_OPTIMIZATION_WIZARD2.value.text"
>>
>> msgid "Oracle Presentation Minimizer"
>> msgstr "Minimitzador de presentacions d'Oracle"
>>
>
> a) it is a product name and should stay in English
> b) there should not be a hardcoded Oracle within the string
>
>
>
>> which was now changed into:
>>
>> #:
>>
>> SunPresentationMinimizer.xcu#.SunPresentationMinimizer.Strings.STR_SUN_OPTIMIZATION_WIZARD2.value.text
>>
>> msgid "@MINIMIZEREXTENSIONPRODUCTNAME@"
>> msgstr "@MINIMIZEREXTENSIONPRODUCTNAME@"
>>
>> Question is: What will @MINIMIZEREXTENSIONPRODUCTNAME@ resolve to?
>> If it is actually "Oracle Presentation Minimizer", is this string
>>
>
> it will resolve to " Presentation Minimizer" e.g "Oracle
> Presentation Minimizer". Thus the vendorname can change and the product name
> will stay in English!
>
>
>  provided for translation somewhere else or will remain in English?
>> We need to know because it affects the article to be used whenever
>> @MINIMIZEREXTENSIONPRODUCTNAME@ appears
>>
>> salut
>> jordi s
>> Catalan l10n team
>>
>
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> Ivo
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Re: [l10n-dev] Pootle update for OpenOffice.org 3.3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Was there another m8 after the second sdf? I mean, I have my own translation
server and when I updated Slovenian m7 to second m8 sdf, I got about 7
untranslated and 10 fuzzy strings in sdext. Have new strings landed in sdext
in the last day or so?

Lp, m.

2010/9/19 Frank Mau 

> Ok, the servers are back online. The latest milestone OOO330m8 is
> installed. FYI: we have 127 fuzzy and 30 new strings in "sdext", so in total
> 157 string to translate. No other updates, pls. verify your language pls.
> Thank you,
> Frank
>
> Frank Mau schrieb:
>
>> Hi,
>> we will update the two Pootle server COB today (2010-09-17), so the server
>> will be back online for production use on Monday (2010-09-20). I'll send an
>> explicit mail after the update on milestone m8, pls. stay tuned...
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Frank
>>
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] Latest l10n builds from cws ooo330l10n3 are ready

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Ivo,

can you answer a bit more directly? We have time till 30th to open issues
and attach latest gsi?

Lp, m.

2010/9/16 Ivo Hinkelmann 

> Hi Martin,
>
> see Rafaellas respose:
>
>
> "The next l10n CWS will be the one with the September 30th l10n fixes."
>
> Cheers,
> Ivo
>
>
> On 15.09.2010 10:34, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>
>> Hi, Ivo,
>>
>> 2010/9/13 Ivo Hinkelmann
>>
>>  Since end of September is the deadline, can I send a link to the latest
>>> sdf
>>>
>>>> file in an issue? I don't know how to make a diff file and I do not have
>>>> the
>>>> latest gsi file used - the one you edited now by copy-pasting some
>>>> translation from other parts of sdf.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> those strings will come into the next milestone as soon as the cws
>>> ooo330l10n3 is integrated. Maybe Rafaella can give some hints when there
>>> is
>>> another l10n cws planed.
>>>
>>>
>> I checked m7, it does not contain the new strings. And what you wrote
>> seems
>> like a contradiction to me.
>>
>> ooo330l10n3 is the last integration CWS for localizations, and only when
>> this CWS is introduced, the new strings will get into OOo.
>>
>> So how can we localize them (if we changed our sdf's in the last month, we
>> must update strings to latest po's) - if the CWS that should already
>> include
>> our latest translations is the one that introduces them.
>>
>> So, is it possible to add the new strings to a CWS that will be included
>> at
>> least one milestone before the milestone where ooo330l10n3 will be
>> included?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> m.
>>
>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] [Fwd: [lingu-dev] Call for OOo 3.3 dictionary updates]

[Martin Srebotnjak]

I just clarified the Slovenian patterns in the issue itself. In our view
they have the necessary LPPL license, as can be seen in the TeX repository.
The page linked to in the readme file is obsolete and we will change that
link if requested.

Lp, m.

2010/9/15 Mechtilde 

> Hello Sophie,
>
> hello at all
>
> please be also awared about some license issue in hyphenation by some
> languages
>
> you can find the issues if you queried for "LPPL". all such Issues are
> taggt with this "word"
>
> thanks to Sophoe forwarding this message.
>
> kind regards
>
>
>
> Mechtilde
>
> Am 15.09.2010 11:51, schrieb Sophie:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm forwarding the mail from Thomas here because some of you working on
> > dictionaries are not subscribe to li...@. Be aware that the deadline is
> > Tuesday next week.
> >
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Re: [l10n-dev] Latest l10n builds from cws ooo330l10n3 are ready

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Ivo,

I have now the latest updated Slovenian sdf file ready for 3.3 (with many
changes from the previous one).
Am I in time for ooo330l10n3?

Lp, m.

2010/9/15 Martin Srebotnjak 

> Hi, Ivo,
>
> 2010/9/13 Ivo Hinkelmann 
>
>  Since end of September is the deadline, can I send a link to the latest
>>> sdf
>>> file in an issue? I don't know how to make a diff file and I do not have
>>> the
>>> latest gsi file used - the one you edited now by copy-pasting some
>>> translation from other parts of sdf.
>>>
>>
>> those strings will come into the next milestone as soon as the cws
>> ooo330l10n3 is integrated. Maybe Rafaella can give some hints when there is
>> another l10n cws planed.
>>
>
> I checked m7, it does not contain the new strings. And what you wrote seems
> like a contradiction to me.
>
> ooo330l10n3 is the last integration CWS for localizations, and only when
> this CWS is introduced, the new strings will get into OOo.
>
> So how can we localize them (if we changed our sdf's in the last month, we
> must update strings to latest po's) - if the CWS that should already include
> our latest translations is the one that introduces them.
>
> So, is it possible to add the new strings to a CWS that will be included at
> least one milestone before the milestone where ooo330l10n3 will be included?
>
> Thanks,
> m.
>

Re: [l10n-dev] Latest l10n builds from cws ooo330l10n3 are ready

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Ivo,

2010/9/13 Ivo Hinkelmann 

> Since end of September is the deadline, can I send a link to the latest sdf
>> file in an issue? I don't know how to make a diff file and I do not have
>> the
>> latest gsi file used - the one you edited now by copy-pasting some
>> translation from other parts of sdf.
>>
>
> those strings will come into the next milestone as soon as the cws
> ooo330l10n3 is integrated. Maybe Rafaella can give some hints when there is
> another l10n cws planed.
>

I checked m7, it does not contain the new strings. And what you wrote seems
like a contradiction to me.

ooo330l10n3 is the last integration CWS for localizations, and only when
this CWS is introduced, the new strings will get into OOo.

So how can we localize them (if we changed our sdf's in the last month, we
must update strings to latest po's) - if the CWS that should already include
our latest translations is the one that introduces them.

So, is it possible to add the new strings to a CWS that will be included at
least one milestone before the milestone where ooo330l10n3 will be included?

Thanks,
m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Latest l10n builds from cws ooo330l10n3 are ready

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Ivo,

your manoevre solves things for current stuff in the OOO330 for languages
that do not plan updates anymore.

For Slovenian, I have made several edits since m5 so I will need to resend
the gsi/sdf file which probably means I will have to translate this new
strings (well, I will get fuzzy matches by the translation process, I
guess), right?

Since end of September is the deadline, can I send a link to the latest sdf
file in an issue? I don't know how to make a diff file and I do not have the
latest gsi file used - the one you edited now by copy-pasting some
translation from other parts of sdf.

Lp, m.

2010/9/10 Ivo Hinkelmann 

> Hi folks,
>
> the latest OOO330 m7 based l10n cws is ready. The upload is still in
> progress so if your favorite plattform (Windows, Linux , Solaris) is not yet
> there stay tuned!
>
> You will find:
>
> All keyid related things including generated keyid files for all languages
> & en-US kid builds:
>
> http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localization/ooo330l10n3/kid/
>
> The l10n builds can be found here:
>
> http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localization/ooo330l10n3
>
> The bad news are that due to issue i113535 "Find & Replace attributes -
> Options list is non-localisable" this cws will introduce a bunch of new
> strings in svx ( 110 words in 59 strings to be exact ). The good news are
> that I was able to match/move the translation I found in OOO320 by a script
> thus this issue is fixed for all more or less up-to-date languages. See the
> attachment in the issue for further details.
>
> Happy testing,
> Ivo
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Re: [l10n-dev] List of attributes in Writer not localized?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Yes, it does affect all languages. Definitely a showstopper for 3.3.

Will a new round of localizations delivery be necessary for this.

Lp, m.

2010/8/26 André Schnabel 

> Hi,
>
> can someone please have a look at issue 114129
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=114129
>
> .. if this affects all languages? If yes, I'd consider this as stopper for
> OOo 3.3.
>
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>
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Re: [l10n-dev] 'Find' text in new Find toolbar

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

I just tried Slovenian build of 000330l10n2 and immediately tried the "Find"
text and the "Find & Replace" text.

The "Find" text now appears localized (in Slovenian).

Traslators on this list also reported that "Find & Replace" was not
localizable and were told that was not a new string but that it will only
get reused from the available translations.

Well, Slovenian is 100% translated in GUI an Help, but in OOO330l10n2 this
text still appears in English, so this bug has not been squashed yet!

See for yourself in the attached jpg.

Lp, m.
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[l10n-dev] Re: Can we localize Professional Template Pack I/II?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

.

2010/8/23 Martin Srebotnjak 

> Hello,
>
> reading the licenses I do not see any problems, but just to make it
> straight:
> can localization teams localize the Professional Template Pack I/II
> (editing the including templates and files manually) into their own language
> and then publish the extension on the extensions site?
>
> Thanks,
> m.
>

[l10n-dev] Can we localize Professional Template Pack I/II?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

reading the licenses I do not see any problems, but just to make it
straight:
can localization teams localize the Professional Template Pack I/II (editing
the including templates and files manually) into their own language and then
publish the extension on the extensions site?

Thanks,
m.

Re: [l10n-dev] how many strings for 3.3 ?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

One thing is true, though: the "equal" strings sometimes have accelerators
on different spots or some appearances of the equal strings don't have an
accelerator while others do.

Lp, m.

2010/8/19 Lior Kaplan 

> Lets ignore the casing issue, saving the translation of 24,000 (!) is
> something I believe oo.org should consider important for translator and
> should save a lot of work and time.
>
> Is this a thread to continue of the tool list ?
>
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Martin Srebotnjak  >wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am using my own translation web-site based system, not Pootle, for
> > Slovenian (sl). It is based on Translate Toolkit as well.
> >
> > The latest stats for the OOO330m4 including the 21 stings previously not
> > recognized by oo2po.py are as follows:
> > 72716 strings
> > 48934 different strings (with match case)
> > 47801 different strings (without match case)
> >
> > Lp, m.
> >
> > 2010/8/19 Lior Kaplan 
> >
> > > I tried to find out what is the status of the Hebrew UI translation
> > > comparing to other languages on the pootle servers.
> > >
> > > I found out that each language has different number in the total
> strings
> > in
> > > the pootle server.
> > >
> > > chinise has 105835 strings, Hungarian 91812, Arabic 91430, Portuguese
> > > 91408...
> > > 21 other languages have 90654 strings while Assamese has 193710 (!)
> > > strings.
> > >
> > > and my question is WTF ?! Doesn't the UI have a fixed number of strings
> ?
> > >
> > > p.s.
> > > While translating I also found a lot of similar strings with difference
> > > only
> > > in the location of ~ in the string.
> > > I think I translated automatic at least 10 times (~automatic,
> a~utomatic,
> > > aut~omatic ...).
> > > I don't believe it's relevant for all languages.
> > >
> > > Kaplan
> > >
> >
>

Re: [l10n-dev] how many strings for 3.3 ?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

I am using my own translation web-site based system, not Pootle, for
Slovenian (sl). It is based on Translate Toolkit as well.

The latest stats for the OOO330m4 including the 21 stings previously not
recognized by oo2po.py are as follows:
72716 strings
48934 different strings (with match case)
47801 different strings (without match case)

Lp, m.

2010/8/19 Lior Kaplan 

> I tried to find out what is the status of the Hebrew UI translation
> comparing to other languages on the pootle servers.
>
> I found out that each language has different number in the total strings in
> the pootle server.
>
> chinise has 105835 strings, Hungarian 91812, Arabic 91430, Portuguese
> 91408...
> 21 other languages have 90654 strings while Assamese has 193710 (!)
> strings.
>
> and my question is WTF ?! Doesn't the UI have a fixed number of strings ?
>
> p.s.
> While translating I also found a lot of similar strings with difference
> only
> in the location of ~ in the string.
> I think I translated automatic at least 10 times (~automatic, a~utomatic,
> aut~omatic ...).
> I don't believe it's relevant for all languages.
>
> Kaplan
>

Re: [l10n-dev] Tooltips not localizable?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

OK, I have now an updated sdf file, what should I do with my issue?
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113945

I will upload the new file to the link the issue links to, but maybe it will
be too late. Brrr.

Lp, m.

2010/8/19 Andras Timar 

> Martin,
>
> I have these, too. You can ignore them, these are just empty strings
> and are unrelated to our current issue.
>
> Best regards,
> Andras
>
> 2010/8/19 Martin Srebotnjak :
> > Andras,
> >
> > when I finally found way to manually make pot files from sdf with that
> > script correction, I got two additional pot files, that did not exist
> > before:
> > officecfg/registry/schema/org/openoffice/Office.po
> > sdext/source/minimizer/registry/schema/org/openoffice/Office/extension.po
> >
> > Both seem empty.
> >
> > Lp, m.
> >
> > 2010/8/19 Sveinn í Felli 
> >
> >> Şann miğ 18.ágú 2010 21:31, skrifaği Martin Srebotnjak:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Maybe here is a simple solution for the OOo team - create a special pot
> >>> file
> >>> just for these 21 strings so all lang teams can translate them and send
> in
> >>> the po files. Then you OOo devs can write a special script that will
> >>> replace
> >>> those 21 strings in the final delivered SDF files?
> >>>
> >>>  +1 if possible.
> >> Many of us have a PO-based workflow.
> >> And translation teams with limited resources may not afford much
> >> complications in their workflow.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Sveinn í Felli
> >>
> >>  For the DEV300 the patch should be used to move this strings in such
> >>> format/location so that they can be localized via Translate
> Toolkit/Pootle
> >>> the normal way. Of course the ultimate solution would be to update
> >>> Translate
> >>> Toolkit but we do not have time now (in 1 hour there is the deadline
> for
> >>> localization SDF delivery).
> >>>
> >>> Just my 2 cents,
> >>> Martin
> >>>
> >>> 2010/8/18 Andras Timar
> >>>
> >>>  Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> There are 21 strings. See: http://pastebin.com/XeAQzVjT. All of them
> >>>> are in the vcl module in source\src\print.src. These strings are
> >>>> localisable, because they are extracted into the SDF file. Every team
> >>>> can localize them, although not through the Translate Toolkit and
> >>>> Pootle, because oo2po ignores the helptext field in the SDF file. I
> >>>> think we cannot blame the OOo devs, they had the right to use this
> >>>> feature. L10n tooling failed here. IMHO it's easier to fix the
> >>>> Translate Toolkit than to make helptext field deprecated. For the time
> >>>> being probably all teams should translate these strings separately and
> >>>> submit via Issue Tracker. Let me know what you think.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Andras
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/8/18 Martin Srebotnjak:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> today I saw this bug reported:
> >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113961
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This obviously means that there are several undocumented tool-tips
> >>>>> unlocalizable in 3.3 and that that is a known fact to some people at
> >>>>> OOo.
> >>>>> Please someone make an assessment about the seriousness (the amount
> of
> >>>>>
> >>>> these
> >>>>
> >>>>> unlocalizable strings) and I hope that this bug and all other
> >>>>>
> >>>> unlocalizable
> >>>>
> >>>>> strings become a stopper bug for 3.3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Every programmer touching the OOo code should be aware how to deal
> with
> >>>>> l10n, it should not be an error that every programmer gets by without
> >>>>> any
> >>>>> repercussions. At least the authors of these tool-tips will learn
> >>>>>
> >>>> something,
> >>>>
> >>>>> if this becomes a stopper. Otherwise they will not even know they did
> >>>>> something wrong.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lp, m.
> >>>>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] Tooltips not localizable?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Andras,

when I finally found way to manually make pot files from sdf with that
script correction, I got two additional pot files, that did not exist
before:
officecfg/registry/schema/org/openoffice/Office.po
sdext/source/minimizer/registry/schema/org/openoffice/Office/extension.po

Both seem empty.

Lp, m.

2010/8/19 Sveinn í Felli 

> Şann miğ 18.ágú 2010 21:31, skrifaği Martin Srebotnjak:
>
>
>> Maybe here is a simple solution for the OOo team - create a special pot
>> file
>> just for these 21 strings so all lang teams can translate them and send in
>> the po files. Then you OOo devs can write a special script that will
>> replace
>> those 21 strings in the final delivered SDF files?
>>
>>  +1 if possible.
> Many of us have a PO-based workflow.
> And translation teams with limited resources may not afford much
> complications in their workflow.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sveinn í Felli
>
>  For the DEV300 the patch should be used to move this strings in such
>> format/location so that they can be localized via Translate Toolkit/Pootle
>> the normal way. Of course the ultimate solution would be to update
>> Translate
>> Toolkit but we do not have time now (in 1 hour there is the deadline for
>> localization SDF delivery).
>>
>> Just my 2 cents,
>> Martin
>>
>> 2010/8/18 Andras Timar
>>
>>  Hello,
>>>
>>> There are 21 strings. See: http://pastebin.com/XeAQzVjT. All of them
>>> are in the vcl module in source\src\print.src. These strings are
>>> localisable, because they are extracted into the SDF file. Every team
>>> can localize them, although not through the Translate Toolkit and
>>> Pootle, because oo2po ignores the helptext field in the SDF file. I
>>> think we cannot blame the OOo devs, they had the right to use this
>>> feature. L10n tooling failed here. IMHO it's easier to fix the
>>> Translate Toolkit than to make helptext field deprecated. For the time
>>> being probably all teams should translate these strings separately and
>>> submit via Issue Tracker. Let me know what you think.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andras
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/8/18 Martin Srebotnjak:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> today I saw this bug reported:
>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113961
>>>>
>>>> This obviously means that there are several undocumented tool-tips
>>>> unlocalizable in 3.3 and that that is a known fact to some people at
>>>> OOo.
>>>> Please someone make an assessment about the seriousness (the amount of
>>>>
>>> these
>>>
>>>> unlocalizable strings) and I hope that this bug and all other
>>>>
>>> unlocalizable
>>>
>>>> strings become a stopper bug for 3.3.
>>>>
>>>> Every programmer touching the OOo code should be aware how to deal with
>>>> l10n, it should not be an error that every programmer gets by without
>>>> any
>>>> repercussions. At least the authors of these tool-tips will learn
>>>>
>>> something,
>>>
>>>> if this becomes a stopper. Otherwise they will not even know they did
>>>> something wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Lp, m.
>>>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] Tooltips not localizable?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Andras, I use TT for Windows, there is only oo2po.exe, no python script. I
added it, but it does not seem to work although I do have python installed.

So that won't work for me for now.

Lp, m.

2010/8/19 Andras Timar 

> Hello,
>
> You can fix your Translate Toolkit easily.
> --- translate/convert/oo2po.py.orig 2010-08-19 00:54:15.62500 +0200
> +++ translate/convert/oo2po.py  2010-08-19 00:54:38.015625000 +0200
> @@ -77,7 +77,7 @@
> translators_comment = oo.ooline()
> key = oo.makekey(part1.getkey(), self.long_keys)
> unitlist = []
> -for subkey in ("text", "quickhelptext", "title"):
> +for subkey in ("text", "helptext", "quickhelptext", "title"):
> unit = self.maketargetunit(part1, part2,
> translators_comment, key,subkey)
> if unit is not None:
> unitlist.append(unit)
> That's all, works for me.
>
> Regards,
> Andras
>
> 2010/8/18 Martin Srebotnjak :
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have my own Pootle-like translation system I developed (it downloads
> > chosen sdf from OOo mirror servers and creates pot files from them, then
> > update/migrate it from previous milestone po translations of my choice).
> > For those commands I use Translate Toolkit and gsicheck. Does that mean
> that
> > I have those strings translated?
> >
> > Well I checked my final SDF I reported in in the IZ yesterday as final
> > Slovenian SDF for 3.3 and it is not localized! What now? Should I
> localize
> > it manually and then for every SDF the same way, manually localizing 21
> > strings? I don't think that is an option.
> >
> > Maybe here is a simple solution for the OOo team - create a special pot
> file
> > just for these 21 strings so all lang teams can translate them and send
> in
> > the po files. Then you OOo devs can write a special script that will
> replace
> > those 21 strings in the final delivered SDF files?
> >
> > For the DEV300 the patch should be used to move this strings in such
> > format/location so that they can be localized via Translate
> Toolkit/Pootle
> > the normal way. Of course the ultimate solution would be to update
> Translate
> > Toolkit but we do not have time now (in 1 hour there is the deadline for
> > localization SDF delivery).
> >
> > Just my 2 cents,
> > Martin
> >
> > 2010/8/18 Andras Timar 
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> There are 21 strings. See: http://pastebin.com/XeAQzVjT. All of them
> >> are in the vcl module in source\src\print.src. These strings are
> >> localisable, because they are extracted into the SDF file. Every team
> >> can localize them, although not through the Translate Toolkit and
> >> Pootle, because oo2po ignores the helptext field in the SDF file. I
> >> think we cannot blame the OOo devs, they had the right to use this
> >> feature. L10n tooling failed here. IMHO it's easier to fix the
> >> Translate Toolkit than to make helptext field deprecated. For the time
> >> being probably all teams should translate these strings separately and
> >> submit via Issue Tracker. Let me know what you think.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andras
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/8/18 Martin Srebotnjak :
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > today I saw this bug reported:
> >> > http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113961
> >> >
> >> > This obviously means that there are several undocumented tool-tips
> >> > unlocalizable in 3.3 and that that is a known fact to some people at
> OOo.
> >> > Please someone make an assessment about the seriousness (the amount of
> >> these
> >> > unlocalizable strings) and I hope that this bug and all other
> >> unlocalizable
> >> > strings become a stopper bug for 3.3.
> >> >
> >> > Every programmer touching the OOo code should be aware how to deal
> with
> >> > l10n, it should not be an error that every programmer gets by without
> any
> >> > repercussions. At least the authors of these tool-tips will learn
> >> something,
> >> > if this becomes a stopper. Otherwise they will not even know they did
> >> > something wrong.
> >> >
> >> > Lp, m.
> >> >
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Re: [l10n-dev] Tooltips not localizable?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

I have my own Pootle-like translation system I developed (it downloads
chosen sdf from OOo mirror servers and creates pot files from them, then
update/migrate it from previous milestone po translations of my choice).
For those commands I use Translate Toolkit and gsicheck. Does that mean that
I have those strings translated?

Well I checked my final SDF I reported in in the IZ yesterday as final
Slovenian SDF for 3.3 and it is not localized! What now? Should I localize
it manually and then for every SDF the same way, manually localizing 21
strings? I don't think that is an option.

Maybe here is a simple solution for the OOo team - create a special pot file
just for these 21 strings so all lang teams can translate them and send in
the po files. Then you OOo devs can write a special script that will replace
those 21 strings in the final delivered SDF files?

For the DEV300 the patch should be used to move this strings in such
format/location so that they can be localized via Translate Toolkit/Pootle
the normal way. Of course the ultimate solution would be to update Translate
Toolkit but we do not have time now (in 1 hour there is the deadline for
localization SDF delivery).

Just my 2 cents,
Martin

2010/8/18 Andras Timar 

> Hello,
>
> There are 21 strings. See: http://pastebin.com/XeAQzVjT. All of them
> are in the vcl module in source\src\print.src. These strings are
> localisable, because they are extracted into the SDF file. Every team
> can localize them, although not through the Translate Toolkit and
> Pootle, because oo2po ignores the helptext field in the SDF file. I
> think we cannot blame the OOo devs, they had the right to use this
> feature. L10n tooling failed here. IMHO it's easier to fix the
> Translate Toolkit than to make helptext field deprecated. For the time
> being probably all teams should translate these strings separately and
> submit via Issue Tracker. Let me know what you think.
>
> Regards,
> Andras
>
>
> 2010/8/18 Martin Srebotnjak :
> > Hello,
> >
> > today I saw this bug reported:
> > http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113961
> >
> > This obviously means that there are several undocumented tool-tips
> > unlocalizable in 3.3 and that that is a known fact to some people at OOo.
> > Please someone make an assessment about the seriousness (the amount of
> these
> > unlocalizable strings) and I hope that this bug and all other
> unlocalizable
> > strings become a stopper bug for 3.3.
> >
> > Every programmer touching the OOo code should be aware how to deal with
> > l10n, it should not be an error that every programmer gets by without any
> > repercussions. At least the authors of these tool-tips will learn
> something,
> > if this becomes a stopper. Otherwise they will not even know they did
> > something wrong.
> >
> > Lp, m.
> >
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[l10n-dev] Tooltips not localizable?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

today I saw this bug reported:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113961

This obviously means that there are several undocumented tool-tips
unlocalizable in 3.3 and that that is a known fact to some people at OOo.
Please someone make an assessment about the seriousness (the amount of these
unlocalizable strings) and I hope that this bug and all other unlocalizable
strings become a stopper bug for 3.3.

Every programmer touching the OOo code should be aware how to deal with
l10n, it should not be an error that every programmer gets by without any
repercussions. At least the authors of these tool-tips will learn something,
if this becomes a stopper. Otherwise they will not even know they did
something wrong.

Lp, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] l10n and nlc wiki pages

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Goran, great!

Sorry, had no time to reply to your previous post. But great work,
this will hopefully clear many unsaid things clear.

Thanks,
m.

2010/8/12 Goran Rakic :
> Hi all,
>
> I made few small updates to our wiki in an effort to separate UI/Help
> translation documentation from docs on other localization tasks,
> localized release QA and NLC topics like managing a native language web
> site or documentation.
>
> This will leave space to add more info and make links to other pages
> describing extras localization (autocorrect data, dictionaries,
> hyphenation patterns, templates and other non-messages resources).
>
> It will also help to remove duplicate and obsolete content.
>
>
> For a start, I made changes to Translation:General Information page:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation:General_Information
> separating pootle and non-pootle workflow and refreshing documentation
> on SDF/POT/PO handling.
>
> There are still some info on release testing I would like to move into
> some other page.
>
> Then I removed duplicate info from NLC:New Translators Start here page:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NLC:New_Translators_Start_here
>
> I believe this wiki page can be a gateway to all other content together
> with a famous NLC:ReleaseChecklist wiki page:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NLC:ReleaseChecklist
>
> As a next step I will move some info from
> http://l10n.openoffice.org/localization/ to the mentioned wiki pages.
>
> Can someone with write permissions add HTTP meta redirection from
> http://l10n.openoffice.org/languages.html to
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Languages killing deprecated
> table on the web site? The notice is already there but I believe that 3
> years after the notice obsolete content should be deleted now.
>
> Kind regards,
> Goran
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] SDF-Files from Key ID builds urgently needed

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Great, thanks.

Lp, m.

2010/8/10 Andre Schnabel :
> Hi,
>
>> Von: Martin Srebotnjak 
>> An: dev@l10n.openoffice.org
>> Betreff: Re: [l10n-dev] SDF-Files from Key ID builds urgently needed
>
>> Hi, Andre,
>>
>> what do these builds do? Do they show id-s of the used strings in the
>> GUI and help?
>
> Yes, that's what they do.
>
> Each string gets a 6 characters unique ID displayed (like v+q5p2).
> You then can use the sdf file to locate the exact string location.
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] SDF-Files from Key ID builds urgently needed

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Andre,

what do these builds do? Do they show id-s of the used strings in the
GUI and help?

Lp, m.

2010/8/10 Andre Schnabel :
> Hi Vladimir,
>
>  Original-Nachricht 
>> Von: Vladimir Glazounov 
>> An: dev@l10n.openoffice.org
>
>> Done,
>>
>> hope that is what you need.
>
> yes, thanks.
>
> just to get fast access to the file, it is located at
> http://ooo.services.openoffice.org/pub/OpenOffice.org/cws/upload/localization/ooo330l10n/kid/
>
> :)
>
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>
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Re: [l10n-dev] New string in OOO330 m3 . Pootle servers will be updated tonight to m3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Santiago,

there were around 20 changes from m0 to m1 and there are, to my
experience (not using Pootle) around 5 changes required from m2 to m3.

Lp, m.

2010/8/5 Santiago Bosio :
> Ivo Hinkelmann escribió:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> both pootle servers are updated to OOO330m3 . Please wait for at least one
>> or two hours as the indexing is still running.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ivo
>
> Ivo:
>
> This update introduced / changed ~20 strings in Spanish UI. There were other
> new strings besides the mentioned "Find".
>
> Some strings were marked as fuzzy, and there were new strings in
> reportbuilder, instset_ooo, etc.
>
> Is this ok? There were other CWS integrated on m3 that introduced
> new/changed strings?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Santiago
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Re: [l10n-dev] New string in OOO330 m3 . Pootle servers will be updated tonight to m3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Carsten,

2010/8/5 Carsten Driesner :
> The fix for the problem related to "Find & Replace" doesn't need a new
> string (see CWS l10nfixer01,
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113441).

thanks for the explanation!

Regards,
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Re: [l10n-dev] New string in OOO330 m3 . Pootle servers will be updated tonight to m3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Sorry, Ivo, for the confusion, I used the wrong flag updating the po files.

However there is no new string for Find & Replace string, hopefully
that is solved in some other upcoming CWS.

Lp, m.

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Re: [l10n-dev] New string in OOO330 m3 . Pootle servers will be updated tonight to m3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Ivo,

I downloaded the m3 sdf and updated my Slovenian translation but m3
does not show any new strings for me.

I checked if there are any more appearances of strings "Find" and
"Find & Replace" than in m1 (those are the two strings missing for
this toolbar, not just one string as you wrote - Find is in the text
box and "Find & Replace" is missing from the dropdown menu on the
right, from the Visible buttons submenu), but I could not find any.

Could it be that the GUI is using already available translations (in
m1/2) of these strings, meaning m3 does not require additional work
from us translators?

Thanks,
m.

2010/8/4 Thorsten Ziehm :
> Hi Martin,
>
> Martin Srebotnjak schrieb:
>>
>> Well, sooner or later it needs to be translated, so why not sooner.
>
> Because nobody knows if the full feature will be changed (and also the
> strings) until OOo 3.4.
>
> Thorsten
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Re: [l10n-dev] New string in OOO330 m3 . Pootle servers will be updated tonight to m3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Well, sooner or later it needs to be translated, so why not sooner.

Also, extensions are translated for years now, but Sun/Oracle does not
provide localized builds of them, so the translations cannot be seen
anywhere ...

Lp, m.

2010/8/4 Ivo Hinkelmann :
> Hi,
>
> Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I guess the issue of the other untranslatable string will be resolved
>> in 3.4 as it will not appear in 3.3 at all?
>
> right! I thought it doesn't make sense to translate it if the UI will not be
> visible.
>
> Cheers,
> Ivo
>
>>
>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113440
>>
>> Lp, m.
>>
>> 2010/8/4 Ivo Hinkelmann :
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> the OOO330 m3 will contain one new string comming from issue i113047 /
>>> cws
>>> fwk150. The m1 already contain ~30 words.
>>>
>>> Please update your translation to the latest m3! I will update the pootle
>>> servers to m3 tonight!
>>>
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>>> Ivo
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Re: [l10n-dev] New string in OOO330 m3 . Pootle servers will be updated tonight to m3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi,

I guess the issue of the other untranslatable string will be resolved
in 3.4 as it will not appear in 3.3 at all?

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113440

Lp, m.

2010/8/4 Ivo Hinkelmann :
> Hi,
>
> the OOO330 m3 will contain one new string comming from issue i113047 / cws
> fwk150. The m1 already contain ~30 words.
>
> Please update your translation to the latest m3! I will update the pootle
> servers to m3 tonight!
>
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[l10n-dev] Language Packs and dictionaries

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

as far as I know, lang packs do not contain dictionaries for the
language of the GUI to be installed.

Yet OOo is saying for beta version there will be only langpacks to
test with the English full build. So obviously OOo developers think:
 English full build + langpack for language XY = full build build for
XY language.
That would be logical, every user downloading a lang pack expects just
that. But ...

That is not so. Testers/users need to add the dictionary. Where do
they get it from? Does the lang-pack install program warn user about
it, does it offer any links? And that is not even mentioned clearly in
the official installation guide for 3.x.

I know there was some issue in IZ asking for inclusion of dictionaries
into the lang packs but obviously this has not been done. Can't find
it now.

Until then for testing languages only full builds for those languages
are appropriate. After installing the lang pack you still have a not
fully functional non-English OOo.

Lp, m.

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[l10n-dev] templates etc.

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

I remember we localized templates and other files (palettes or
something like that, several kinds of files) for OpenOffice.org back
in the days of upcoming 3.0 or something like that (when the format
changed, I believe).

Since changes to these kind of files (most of them are with strange
endings, like xcu or something like that, some are zipped with xml
files inside) are not announced anywhere - do we have to update any of
the localized files? Have there been new files that have still not
been localized since 3.0?

It would be nice to have a list of these non-Pootle files somewhere
with a date of last change notes, so that each team can check if
updates were made after last update of the original.

To cut it short - do I need to update or translate from scratch any
other files for 3.3?

Thanks,
m.

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Re: [l10n-dev] Issues in ooo330l10n

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/7/27 Andre Schnabel :
> Just for information for the other teams - issues with "not enough space"
> we filed so far are:
>
> 113442 - new html import in calc

It is OK for Slovenian.

> 113446 - Custom Pages per sheet in new print dialog on calc

Slovenian version has problems with not enough space for strings
"Orientation", "Distance" and "Order" in Calc. Same applies to Writer
only that "Distance" has enough space there, and probably to other
modules. I can't make these strings shorter than they already are.
The one that will repair this code must check all modules for enough space.

> 113469 - enhanced data pilot popup (Cancel button)

It is OK for Slovenian, but I can understand that many languages will
have problems.

I would call these new/updated dialogs "claustrophobic". :)

Lp, m.

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Re: [l10n-dev] Issues in ooo330l10n

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/7/27 Andre Schnabel :
> Hi,
>
> can some other l10n teams check, if the new option
> "Limit decimals for general number format" displays correctly?
>

Slovenian looks fine.

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Re: [l10n-dev] problems in ooo330ln10 (was: 'Find' text in new Find toolbar)

[Martin Srebotnjak]

OK, André, here is another "problem", that I need confirmation of (as
well as from other l10n testers):

I downloaded and installed the l10n Slovenian build on Win XP. The
install wizard uninstalled the old (vanilla Slovenian 3.2.1) and
installed the pre330l10n test build. It starts OK, we all found
several bugs just a few hours, but OK.

Then it puzzled me as my icon for Writer in the quickstart section of
WinXP toolbar became an empty icon. I clicked on its properties and it
turned out that the uninstallation cleared the "C:\Program
Files\OpenOffice.org 3" (sub)folders except for some files and it did
not install the new version in the same folder.

OK, I said, it's a testing version, probably it is installed in
something like "OpenOffice 3 l10n" or something like that. I searched
the "Program Files" folder but could not find anything starting with
"OpenOffice.org" or "Oracle" or anything similar. Then I checked the
new shortcut on the desktop, the OOo icon. And then I got scared:

Target: C:\Program Files\program\soffice.exe
Start in: C:\Program Files\Basis\program

This is not normal, right? Does this happen only with this l10n build?
I used default installer values, did not change a thing. The release
notes are in the "C:\Program Files\readmes" etc.

What a mess in my Program Files folder. Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks,
Martin

2010/7/26 André Schnabel :
> Next Issue
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113446
>
> not enough space in Print - Page Layout, "custom" Pages per Sheet.
> Even not enough space for some english string.
>
> And yes - these are imho stopper issues (that could have been found months
> before, if we had a more "smooth" l10n process :( )
>
> regards,
>
> André
>
>
> Am 26.07.2010 21:14, schrieb Martin Srebotnjak:
>>
>> Can confirm, Slovenian builds have the same problem - not enough space
>> for the two "reenter password" strings on that same Security tab.
>>
>> Could we ask developers to offer more space if several languages have
>> the same problem? Could that be done in time for 3.3?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> m.
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Re: [l10n-dev] 'Find' text in new Find toolbar

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Can confirm, Slovenian builds have the same problem - not enough space
for the two "reenter password" strings on that same Security tab.

Could we ask developers to offer more space if several languages have
the same problem? Could that be done in time for 3.3?

Thanks,
m.

2010/7/26 André Schnabel :
> Hi Sophie,
>
>
> Am 26.07.2010 20:29, schrieb Sophie:
>>
>> Will try :) Could you be so kind to give me the bug number of this
>> issue?
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113440
>
>
>> Need to open another one because of truncated strings in French
>> for all the fields.
>
> Same for German (Screenshot is attched to issue 113440).
> I was not yet sure, if I should change German translation or request better
> UI.
>
> regards,
>
> André
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Re: [l10n-dev] "Find" text in new Find toolbar

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Goran, I found that bug a few weeks ago and it will be fixed for 3.3:

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113047

Lp, m.

2010/7/26 Goran Rakic :
> Where can I find a message with default "Find" text in the new Find
> toolbar from OOo 3.3? I have just tested CWS ooo330l10n and can see this
> is not translated.
>
> Thanks,
> Goran
>
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[l10n-dev] Schedule for 3.3

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

the 3.3 roadmap at:

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease33

does not define deadline for final translation delivery although this
could happen in a month or so. Any news on this?

Thanks,
m.

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[l10n-dev] Changed UI string in m1 compared to m0

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

I saw that for Windows installer the UI string for installation type,
"Full" was changed to "Typical" in m1 (compared to OOO330m0).

Isn't there a string freeze on?

Lp, m.

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[l10n-dev] The grayed-out text "Find" in the new findbar is unlocalizable

[Martin Srebotnjak]

And I reported this bug:

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=113047

Lp, m.

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Re: [l10n-dev] m84

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/6/28 Ivo Hinkelmann :
> Hi ,
>
> ETA of the m84 is tuesday

Great, hopefully tonight.

Lp, m.

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Re: [l10n-dev] m84

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/6/26 Mechtilde :
> As I understood this time frame is not only for the translation with
> poottle.
>
> This time frame means also that all new strings are integrated for
> translation.
>
> So we have to wait till DEV300_m84 (aka OOO330_m0) is ready to use

OK, thanks.

Lp, m.

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Re: [l10n-dev] m84

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/6/26 Mechtilde :
> Next week we start the translation round for version 3.3
>

I know, but I do not use Pootle and have my own system and update
Slovenian translation regularly to released sdf's.

Lp, m.

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Re: [l10n-dev] m84

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, I just need sdf to update my translation.

Thanks, m.

2010/6/26 Marcus Lange :
> Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
>> Hello, I see sdf for m84 is (almost) there, but it isn't available on
>> the mirrors yet. Any ETA?
>
> the install sets are not yet ready but next week.
>
> Best regards
>
> Marcus
>
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[l10n-dev] m84

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, I see sdf for m84 is (almost) there, but it isn't available on
the mirrors yet. Any ETA?

Thanks, m.

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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Haha, OK, great!

Lp, m.

2010/6/23 Rafaella Braconi 

> Hi Martin
>
> Martin Srebotnjak ha scritto:
>
>  Now I am furious, I have a fully localized m83 and now I will have to -
>> what?
>>
>>
> sorry I was not clear. This refers to the ones translating with Pootle.
> Glad to be far away from furious translators ;-) .
>
> Rafaella
>
>  Lp, m.
>>
>> 2010/6/23 Rafaella Braconi 
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Paolo, All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> There is no need to provide them for italian, I created by myself using
>>>> 3.2.1 translations and made it available to translators.
>>>> Of course having them in an official repository would be better, but it
>>>> not a big issue..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Frank just told me that he will be providing the OOo 3.2.1 tmx files.
>>> Also,
>>> he is restoring the status of the CUI module by using the previous
>>> translations.
>>>
>>> So please stay tuned and wait till the status of the
>>> http://pootle.sunvirtuallab.com/xx/openoffice_org/cui folder is
>>> restored.
>>> This applies to all languages.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rafaella
>>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Now I am furious, I have a fully localized m83 and now I will have to -
what?

Lp, m.

2010/6/23 Rafaella Braconi 

> Hi Paolo, All,
>
>
>> There is no need to provide them for italian, I created by myself using
>> 3.2.1 translations and made it available to translators.
>> Of course having them in an official repository would be better, but it
>> not a big issue..
>>
>>
> Frank just told me that he will be providing the OOo 3.2.1 tmx files. Also,
> he is restoring the status of the CUI module by using the previous
> translations.
>
> So please stay tuned and wait till the status of the
> http://pootle.sunvirtuallab.com/xx/openoffice_org/cui folder is restored.
> This applies to all languages.
>
> Thanks,
> Rafaella
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.3 - translation schedule

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Rafaella,

I am singlehandedly working on the Slovenian translation and have my own
localization server. I have regularly updated my files so yesterday I had
just one fuzzy string left with the updated m83.

If I understand you correctly, even if I am not working via Pootle, I have
to send the sdf to you (or add it to an issue) before July 1, so that you
get a almost-fully-translated stuff for all languages into the tree and then
update my files after July 1? Or do I keep updating to new m84, m85 etc.
until OOO330m1 and finish my full translation and open an issue and attach
the sdf file till July 15?

The latter was the case until now.

Thanks, m.

2010/6/21 Rafaella Braconi 

> Dear Translators/Localizers,
>
> I've created a wiki page gathering information on how to proceed with the
> translation work for 3.3.
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation_for_3.3
>
> Milestone 83 can be used to start translation. However, please disregard 2
> modules that erroneously have been integrated: testautomation and
> migrationanalysis.
>
> Please note that there is a Beta release scheduled for 3.3. The focus of
> the Beta release is primarily UI, that means, that it's not a requirement to
> provide translated Help files. Delivery deadline for the Beta is July 15th.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Rafaella
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Re: [l10n-dev] Migration Analysis

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/6/21 Rafaella Braconi 

> Hi Martin,
>
> I understand what you are saying but IMHO having engineers working in
> creating a build for something which is not used would result in having more
> people doing something for the trash...


Well, obviously I was translating for the trash.

Lp, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Migration Analysis

[Martin Srebotnjak]

I have translated it fully into Slovenian before it was said not to
translate.

Could I at least get a build with Slovenian translation as a token of
gratitude (I don't know from who :) )?

Thanks,
m.

2010/6/21 Rafaella Braconi 

> Hi Ivo,
>
> Ivo Hinkelmann ha scritto:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> the Migration Analysis have been removed from the OOo source tree, if
>> there are any strings left in Pootle then they have to be removed.
>>
> thanks, but I still see the folder (even if without strings). Can the
> Migration Analysis folder be removed as well?
>
> Thanks,
> Rafaella
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] Panel Deck Tab Bar

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Sophie,

welcome to the club.

I don't know the answer ;)

Lp, m.

2010/6/20 Sophie 

> Hi all,
>
> In UI/accessibility/source/helper.po, it's about a Panel Deck Tab Bar. Do
> you know what it is ?
> Thanks in advance
> Kind regards
> Sophie
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Re: [l10n-dev] New string in starmath-source

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Thanks, Sophie. Yes, other math strings of this sort aren't even
localizable, so that is why I wondered ...

Lp, m.

2010/6/20 Sophie 

> Hi Martin,
>
> Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I wonder what the new Math UI string "nospace {...}" represents and how it
>> is supposed to be localized - translated? literally?
>>
>
> The function is described here :
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=109020
> This is an instruction to remove space between to elements of the formula.
>
>
>> How did or will others localize it?
>>
>
> I didn't translate it, as there is no tilde in it, I consider it is what
> you write in the formula window (see the screen shots on the issue).
> BTW, I reopened the issue because the icon is missing in the toolbar in my
> case.
>
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[l10n-dev] New string in starmath-source

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

I wonder what the new Math UI string "nospace {...}" represents and how it
is supposed to be localized - translated? literally?

How did or will others localize it?

Thanks, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Pootle upgrade for m82, 2010-06-17 start 12:00 MEST

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Is the file now renamed, I see several m83 files at ooomisc that have some
strange prefix (full)?
http://194.71.11.70/pub/Office/OpenOffice.org/extended/ooomisc/sdf/full_DEV300_m83_2010-06-17_14-20-26.sdf.bz2

Why are there 3 with different dates? Is this the new terminology of sdf
files?

Thanks for explanation.

Lp, m.

2010/6/18 Martin Srebotnjak 

> Sorry, I need sdf link for m83, I can't see it on the mirrors yet. Do you
> have it?
>
> Lp, m.
>
> 2010/6/18 Frank Mau 
>
> An update for Pootle:
>> Upgrade is in progress for m83, languages Hebrew, Danish, Galician and
>> Catalan (web-site extension and templates) were added.
>>
>> Stay tuned,
>> Frank
>>
>> Frank Mau schrieb:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> we want to upgrade the Pootle server for m82 and add some languages too,
>>> so pls. make your changes before 12:00 MEST 2010-06-17.
>>>
>>> -Frank
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Re: [l10n-dev] Pootle upgrade for m82, 2010-06-17 start 12:00 MEST

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Sorry, I need sdf link for m83, I can't see it on the mirrors yet. Do you
have it?

Lp, m.

2010/6/18 Frank Mau 

> An update for Pootle:
> Upgrade is in progress for m83, languages Hebrew, Danish, Galician and
> Catalan (web-site extension and templates) were added.
>
> Stay tuned,
> Frank
>
> Frank Mau schrieb:
>
>> Hi,
>> we want to upgrade the Pootle server for m82 and add some languages too,
>> so pls. make your changes before 12:00 MEST 2010-06-17.
>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] TCM test cases for OpenOffice.org 3.3 need translation

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

should new strings like
-- cid_110078:Comments placeholder --
be translated at all?

Lp, m.

2010/6/17 Rafaella Braconi 

> Thank you, Goran!
>
> Rafaella
>
>
> On 17.06.10 17:02, Goran Rakic wrote:
>
>> У чет, 17. 06 2010. у 10:29 +0200, Rafaella Braconi пише:
>>
>>
>>> Goran, if your offer to create po files out of TCM translated test cases,
>>> I'll make sure that a TCM project is set up in Pootle. Please let me know if
>>> you can help here.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Rafaella
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Hi Rafaella, all.
>>
>> Updated POT files are available at http://goranrakic.com/tmp/tcmpot/
>>
>> It is also possible to merge existing translations using included merge
>> script. Italian tests as merged PO files are available from
>> http://goranrakic.com/tmp/tcmpot/it/ There are 1079 untranslated and 104
>> words marked fuzzy in Italian translation out of about 28000 words in
>> all TCM tests.
>>
>> I would like to provide merges for other languages on request as soon as
>> time permits me or it would be even better if we can integrate this into
>> our l10n process.
>>
>> The Python script I used to create them can be downloaded from
>> http://goranrakic.com/tmp/tcm2po.tar.gz and PDF manual is included.
>>
>> I have added some modifications recently:
>>  1) PO context field is used to tag test parts instead of source field
>>  2) If translated test has "ENGLISH IS UPDATED" string the message will
>> be marked as fuzzy in the merged PO file.
>>
>>
>> On TCM tests for 3.3, I have a small bug report about test #110128, it
>> looks like it is in Russian while other tests are in English. Can you
>> check what went wrong here? http://dodaj.rs/f/w/mx/43dtaHc0/testsh.png
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Goran
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [l10n-dev] TCM test cases for OpenOffice.org 3.3 need translation

[Martin Srebotnjak]

What is the deadline?

Are these tests already partly translated somewhere or must these files be
translated from scratch? I am asking for Slovenian (sl).
I remember translating some tests some time back, but maybe I did not send
back the translations.

Thanks,
m.

2010/6/16 Joost Andrae 

> Hi,
>
> I've added some new test cases to TCM for the product category
> "OpenOffice.org - Office Suites(3.3)". All test cases are stored within the
> categories Calc-6, Framework-6 and Writer-6. Corresponding test cases are
> attached to this email.
>
> Would you please translate these test cases ?
>
> I expect some more features that need a TCM test case within the upcoming
> two DEV300 builds. I'll inform you then if there is more to translate.
>
> Kind regards, Joost
>
> 
> [cid]
> [sequence]
> 1
> [creator]
> admin
> [creation_date]
> 2010-06-10
> [reviewer]
> admin
> [product]
> OpenOffice.org - Office Suites(3.3)
> [category]
> Calc-6
> [type]
> l10n
> [priority]
> 1
> [language_ids]
> 0
> [platform_ids]
> 0
> [keyword_ids]
> 0
> [objective]
> new features in data pilot
>
> [description]
> This test needs to be executed on OOo 3.3 or higher.
> 
> 1. open a new calc document and insert some content from eg. a database
> (eg. bibliography database)
> 2. select menu item /data/datapilot/start and create a data pilot table
> 3. click on one of the arrow buttons within the data pilot table
> 4.
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
> 10.
>
> [expected]
> 3. a dialog pops up containing a listbox. Check the localized strings
> for "Sort Ascending", "Sort Descending",  "Custom Sort" and "All"
> 4.
> 7.
> 10.
>
> [coments]
> [externallinks]
> 
>
> 
> [cid]
> [sequence]
> 1
> [creator]
> admin
> [creation_date]
> 2010-06-10
> [reviewer]
> admin
> [product]
> OpenOffice.org - Office Suites(3.3)
> [category]
> Calc-6
> [type]
> l10n
> [priority]
> 1
> [language_ids]
> 0
> [platform_ids]
> 0
> [keyword_ids]
> 0
> [objective]
> HTML import options
>
> [description]
> This test needs to be executed on OOo 3.3 or higher.
> 
> 1. open a HTML document by selecting the "HTML Document (OpenOffice.org
> Calc)" document filter
> 2. check if the strings within that dialog are localized
> 3.
> 4. check translation of "Quoted field as text" and "Detect special
> characters"
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
> 10.
>
> [expected]
> 2. strings are localized
> 3.
> 4. strings are translated
> 7.
> 10.
>
> [coments]
> [externallinks]
> 
>
> 
> [cid]
> [sequence]
> 1
> [creator]
> admin
> [creation_date]
> 2010-06-10
> [reviewer]
> admin
> [product]
> OpenOffice.org - Office Suites(3.3)
> [category]
> Calc-6
> [type]
> l10n
> [priority]
> 1
> [language_ids]
> 0
> [platform_ids]
> 0
> [keyword_ids]
> 0
> [objective]
> Renamed "Notes" to "Comments" in two Calc dialogs
>
> [description]
> This test needs to be executed on OOo 3.3 or higher.
> 
> 1. open a new spreadsheet document
> 2. select menu item /insert/comment and fill the comment with some
> content
> 3. select the cell range containing the comment and copy the cell range
> to clipboard (Ctrl+C)
> 4. select menu item /edit/paste special...
> 5.
> 6. select the cell range containing the comment
> 7. select menu item /edit/delete contents...
> 8.
> 9.
> 10.
>
> [expected]
> 3.
> 4. check if the paste special dialog contains the string "Comment"
> 7. check if the "delete contents..." dialog contains the string
> "Comment"
> 10.
>
> [coments]
> [externallinks]
> 
>
> 
> [cid]
> [sequence]
> 1
> [creator]
> admin
> [creation_date]
> 2010-06-10
> [reviewer]
> admin
> [product]
> OpenOffice.org - Office Suites(3.3)
> [category]
> Calc-6
> [type]
> l10n
> [priority]
> 1
> [language_ids]
> 0
> [platform_ids]
> 0
> [keyword_ids]
> 0
> [objective]
> Changed UI string when deleting sheets
>
> [description]
> This test needs to be executed on OOo 3.3 or higher.
> 
> 1. open a new spreadsheet document
> 2. select menu item /edit/sheet/delete
> 3. check the text within the message box
> 4.
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
> 10.
>
> [expected]
> 3. the message box should contain the string "Are you sure you want to
> delete the selected sheet(s)?"
> 4.
> 7.
> 10.
>
> [coments]
> [externallinks]
> 
>
> 
> [cid]
> [sequence]
> 1
> [creator]
> admin
> [creation_date]
> 2010-06-10
> [reviewer]
> admin
> [product]
> OpenOffice.org - Office Suites(3.3)
> [category]
> Calc-6
> [type]
> l10n
> [priority]
> 1
> [language_ids]
> 0
> [platform_ids]
> 0
> [keyword_ids]
> 0
> [objective]
> CSV import options
>
> [description]
> This test needs to be executed on OOo 3.3 or higher.
> 
> 1. open a CSV (comma separated text" document by selecting the "Text
> CSV" document filter
> 2. check the language listbox
> 3.
> 4. check translation of "Quoted field as text" and "Detect special
> characters"
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
> 10.
>
> [expec

Re: [l10n-dev] Translation of the new Thank YOU page

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Here is the Slovenian ThankYou issue:
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=112312

And now - to the user survey? :)

Thanks, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Translation of the new Thank YOU page

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/6/11 Rafaella Braconi 

> Martin Srebotnjak ha scritto:
>
>  Thanks, Rafaella.
>> I know you or someone else pointed me to an old thank-you page in
>> Slovenian, so it would be nice to add possible links to obsolete thank-you
>> pages in existing languages, from where translators can update translation
>> to the current version?
>>
> here the link:
> http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/204_sl.html
>
>
Thanks, Rafaella,
and I found the link to more current obsolete pages for some languages in
the form of:
http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/index_xy.html?cid=920899
where xy is the language code, like de, it etc.

Hope this helps translators to be faster,
m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Translation of the new Thank YOU page

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Thanks, Rafaella.
I know you or someone else pointed me to an old thank-you page in Slovenian,
so it would be nice to add possible links to obsolete thank-you pages in
existing languages, from where translators can update translation to the
current version?

Thanks,
m.

2010/6/11 Rafaella Braconi 

> Dear All,
>
> the new Thank YOU page <
> http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/index.html> is now online and
> ready to be translated - for all the ones who would like to see it in their
> language.
> The *Thank YOU page* is displayed by the the OpenOffice.org update
> notifications. When an OpenOffice.org user gets notified that there is a new
> version available, during the product download, the browser opens and
> displays the Thank YOU page.
> I've created a wiki page with a few instructions on how to proceed to
> translate this page at:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Translation_for_ThankYou_Page
>
> Kind Regards,
> Rafaella
>
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[l10n-dev] Soylent Blue?

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

I updated Slovenian po files to m81 that came out today and found five new
strings, obviously describing colors:
"Soylent Blue", "Soylent Yellow", "Soylent Orange", "Soylent Green" and
"Soylent Red".

They are located in sfx2-workben-custompanel.

Now, I expect the "Soylent Green" is a reference to a cult movie of the same
name, but how do you expect localizers to translate this? Are you sure all
the nations of OOo had this movie in distribution and the title was
translated literally? Or does it have some other meaning?

I mean, I have my own ideas and will make a translation that has no
connection to this movie and anything else, I will just make something up.
And have fun with it. But is this really the way to go?

Lp, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] m81

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/6/7 Ivo Hinkelmann 

> Hi Martin,
>
> m81 is work in progress!
>
>
Ah - great! Then I will just wait till it gets finished :)

Lp, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] m81

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hallo, Mechtilde,

EIS2 has m81 in the "Child workspaces-Browse-per milestone" section for one
or two days now, and it contains the following cws':
changeannouncemail
cmcfixes74
dba33f
l10ntooling17
narrow01
renaissance2
rt38
slidecopy
dev300m81masterfix

I guess its sdf is not ready or available yet.

Lp, m.

2010/6/6 Mechtilde 

> Hallo Martin,
>
> As I know the latest DEV version is DEV300_m80 and the corresponding SDF
> file is also available
>
> Kind regards
>
>
> Mechtilde
>
> Am 06.06.2010 10:23, schrieb Martin Srebotnjak:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I cannot find sdf for m81 on the extended mirrors, is there another
> location
> > available?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > m.
> >
>
> --
> Dipl. Ing. Mechtilde Stehmann
> ## http://de.openoffice.org
> ## Ansprechpartnerin für die deutschsprachige QA
> ## Freie Office-Suite für Linux, Mac, Windows, Solaris
> ## Meine Seite http://www.mechtilde.de
> ## PGP encryption welcome! Key-ID: 0x53B3892B
>
>
>

[l10n-dev] m81

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

I cannot find sdf for m81 on the extended mirrors, is there another location
available?

Thanks,
m.

Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 Release Candidate 2 - Sanity Check

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

GO for Slovenian (sl).

2010/5/30 helen 

> Hello!
>
> GO for Russian.
>
> 28.05.2010 19:24, Rafaella Braconi пишет:
> > A short GO / NO-GO mail to this list is really welcome. Testing
> > results will be discussed during the release meeting next Monday.
> >
>
> --
> Regards,
> Helen
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] IMPORTANT: L10n Testing Schedule for 3.2.1

[Martin Srebotnjak]

So, where is RC2? :)

Lp, m.

2010/4/29 Rafaella Braconi 

> Dear All,
>
> all translations received so far have been integrated into the CWS
> OOO321|l10n4 . Ivo is creating the l10n CWS builds which should be available
> by today (a separate announcement will be posted to the lists as soon as the
> CWS l10n builds are available).
>
> All N-L teams, who have contributed back translations - via Pootle or via
> Issue - are invited to perform a sanity check on the l10n CWS builds to
> verify if their translations have been merged correctly and if the builds
> run as expected. This is really important especially to minimize the risk to
> introduce show stoppers into the master.
>
> If you use TCM <
> http://www.sunvirtuallab.com:8001/tcm2/opensource/tcm_login.cgi?tcm_config=newooo>
> to perform testing, please perform the test cases included in the Release
> Sanity Check scenario
> If you don't use TCM, you can find a description of the steps to follow to
> perform Sanity check at:
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Sanity_Check_Of_L10n_Builds#What_is_a_sanity_check
>
> Once you have performed the Sanity Check, all we need from you is a GO or a
> NOGO indicating the major issues found (in the latter case the sooner the
> better)
> We need the GO/NOGO from you by Monday, May 3rd COB.
>
> If any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Rafaella
>
>

[l10n-dev] m78 sdf

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

can someone post a link to the DEV300 m78 en-US sdf file?

Thanks,
m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Danish language on Pootle - please

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Can I get a link to the m78 en-US sdf, please.

Thanks,
m.

2010/5/13 leif 

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi,
> As soon as you get the branch off, we can give you translated
> sdf-files for DEV300_m77.
>
> Best regards,
> Leif Lodahl
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] Re: [releases] New: OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 Release Candidate 1 (build OOO320m17) available

[Martin Srebotnjak]

I am having problem entering any Slovenian 321rc1 build into QATrack, for
example:
ftp://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.2.1rc1/OOo_3.2.1rc1_20100506_Win_x86_install-wJRE_sl.exe
or
http://ftp.rz.tu-bs.de/pub/mirror/OpenOffice.org/extended/3.2.1rc1/OOo_3.2.1rc1_20100506_Win_x86_install_sl.exe

The system analyses the file and reports the name is not properly formed.
Same is for OSX builds. Other builds names get analysed OK but they are not
added to the QATrack in the end.

I had no problems in this regard with the 3.2.0 builds. Has anything
changed?

Thanks, m.

2010/5/11 Marcus Lange 

> Hi all,
>
> the Windows langpacks are now available.
>
> Best regards
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Marcus Lange wrote:
>
>> Please note that currently the Windows language packs are not yet signed,
>> so these files need a bit more time to be available.
>>
>> Download website:
>> http://download.openoffice.org/all_rc.html
>>
>> MD5 checksums:
>> http://download.openoffice.org/next/md5sums/3.2.1rc1_md5sums.txt
>>
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] New: OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 Release Candidate 1 (build OOO320m17) available

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Thanks, Marcus,
this clears it up.

Lp, m.

2010/5/11 Marcus Lange 

> Hi Martin,
>
> for Linux 32-bit and Windows we have built also install sets without JRE.
> However, the website is not yet ready to let the choice to the user (you
> know the JRE check box). I hope to implement this very soon.
>
> HTH
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>
> Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>
>> Hi Joost,
>>
>> I followed the official page (http://download.openoffice.org/all_rc.html)
>> from Marcus' announcement and downloaded the only available Slovenian
>> Windows build there, and that build, when unpacked, includes a folder
>> "java"
>> that includes a 16Mb installation of Java, that is not in Slovenian.
>>
>> This is the same install file that you just posted link for in your
>> e-mail.
>> Why does it contain Java installation? Indeed, what am I missing?
>>
>> Lp, m.
>>
>> 2010/5/11 Joost Andrae 
>>
>>  Hi Martin,
>>>
>>> what are you missing ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/extended/3.2.1rc1/OOo_3.2.1rc1_20100506_Win_x86_install_sl.exe
>>>
>>>
>>>  Why does Slovenian 3.2.1 RC1 package include Java? Java is not localized
>>>
>>>> into Slovenian (Sun didn't localize it), so there is no space for it in
>>>> a
>>>> Slovenian package, right?
>>>>
>>>
>
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Re: [l10n-dev] New: OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 Release Candidate 1 (build OOO320m17) available

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi Joost,

I followed the official page (http://download.openoffice.org/all_rc.html)
from Marcus' announcement and downloaded the only available Slovenian
Windows build there, and that build, when unpacked, includes a folder "java"
that includes a 16Mb installation of Java, that is not in Slovenian.

This is the same install file that you just posted link for in your e-mail.
Why does it contain Java installation? Indeed, what am I missing?

Lp, m.

2010/5/11 Joost Andrae 

> Hi Martin,
>
> what are you missing ?
>
>
> http://download.services.openoffice.org/files/extended/3.2.1rc1/OOo_3.2.1rc1_20100506_Win_x86_install_sl.exe
>
>
>  Why does Slovenian 3.2.1 RC1 package include Java? Java is not localized
>> into Slovenian (Sun didn't localize it), so there is no space for it in a
>> Slovenian package, right?
>
>

Re: [l10n-dev] New: OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 Release Candidate 1 (build OOO320m17) available

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Why does Slovenian 3.2.1 RC1 package include Java? Java is not localized
into Slovenian (Sun didn't localize it), so there is no space for it in a
Slovenian package, right?

Didn't we go through this for 3.2 already? The l10n community asked for
vanilla on this list, without-Java builds, as I remember. But now Java is
back in the default non-English packages?

Lp, m.

2010/5/10 Pau Iranzo 

> Hi Rafaella and Marcus,
>
> What's the deadline this time for the Sanity Check?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pau
>
> El dl 10 de 05 de 2010 a les 13:21 +0200, en/na Rafaella Braconi va
> escriure:
>
> > Thank you, Marcus for the update!
> >
> > Dear N-L Teams,
> >
> > based on the below information provided by Marcus, you can start sanity
> > check on the l10n RC builds.
> >
> > If you use TCM
> > <
> http://www.sunvirtuallab.com:8001/tcm2/opensource/tcm_login.cgi?tcm_config=newooo
> >
> > to perform testing, please perform the test cases included in the
> > Release Sanity Check scenario
> > If you don't use TCM, you can find a description of the steps to follow
> > to perform Sanity check at:
> >
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Sanity_Check_Of_L10n_Builds#What_is_a_sanity_check
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Rafaella
> >
> > On 10.05.10 12:37, Marcus Lange wrote:
> > > Hello QA and L10N teams,
> > >
> > > the OpenOffice.org 3.2.1 Release Candidate 1 (build OOO320m17) is now
> > > available on the download website.
> > >
> > > Please note that currently the Windows language packs are not yet
> > > signed, so these files need a bit more time to be available.
> > > Furthermore a few languages are also missing which we expect to
> > > deliver in the next days.
> > >
> > > If you find severe issues within this build please file them to
> > > OpenOffice.org's bug tracking system IssueTracker:
> > > http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/pre_submission.html
> > >
> > > If you feel the issue is a show stopper then please notify the
> > > releases mailing list relea...@ooo.
> > >
> > > Download website:
> > > http://download.openoffice.org/all_rc.html
> > >
> > > Release notes:
> > > http://development.openoffice.org/releases/3.2.1rc1.html
> > >
> > > MD5 checksums:
> > > http://download.openoffice.org/next/md5sums/3.2.1rc1_md5sums.txt
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Marcus
> >
> > -
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@l10n.openoffice.org
> >
>
>
>

Re: [l10n-dev] Using m17

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello, Bernd,

can those links in that older issue be localized?

Anyway, I am just filing the issue. Well, I just filed it :)

Lp, m.

2010/5/10 Bernd Eilers 

>
> Hi Martin!
>
> The page http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/dictionaries
> seems to be some kind of undeterministic in regards to in which language it
> is displaying. I first got russian when I called it and after reloads of the
> page french, german and english. IMHO this link being used in OpenOffice is
> wrong and we need a forwarding page for the dictonaries menu entry like
> those being used for the links to the extension- and template- websites in
> the Start Center. See the following issue for the Start Center Links:
> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=99975
>
> Can you file an issue to get the link in OpenOffice.org changed.
>
> You can assign it to me I will than create the forwarding page for the
> dictonary link and forward that issue to someone who could make the change
> inside OpenOffice.org.
>
> The forwarding pages currently used for the StartCenter by the way to would
> when a language is not know check the Browser Settings for preferred
> language to select a suitable known default before as a least resort
> defaulting to en-US.
>
> Kind regards,
> Bernd Eilers
>
>
>
> Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am using Pavel's m17 (320 to be 3.2.1), the Slovenian version for OSX.
>>
>> When I select the Tools - Language - Download additional dictionaries...
>> (don't know the actual English string for the command itself, so this is a
>> qucik translation from the Slovenian menu item) a page opens in the
>> default
>> browser - and that page is in German! The Extensions site is localized in
>> Slovenian, so the Slovenian page for dictionaries should open; if a
>> language
>> is not supported on the Extensions site UI, then English version of the
>> page
>> should open. But for me - the German one opens.
>>
>> Here is the link that opens:
>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/dictionary?cid=926385
>>
>> Instead this should open:
>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/sl/dictionaries?cid=926385
>>
>> Since there is no "de" parameter in the first link, does that mean that
>> the
>> default language for Extensions pages is German?
>>
>> In that case at least this should be the link:
>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/dictionaries?cid=926385
>>
>> Anyone else can see this?
>>
>> Lp, m.
>>
>>
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[l10n-dev] Using m17

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hello,

I am using Pavel's m17 (320 to be 3.2.1), the Slovenian version for OSX.

When I select the Tools - Language - Download additional dictionaries...
(don't know the actual English string for the command itself, so this is a
qucik translation from the Slovenian menu item) a page opens in the default
browser - and that page is in German! The Extensions site is localized in
Slovenian, so the Slovenian page for dictionaries should open; if a language
is not supported on the Extensions site UI, then English version of the page
should open. But for me - the German one opens.

Here is the link that opens:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/dictionary?cid=926385

Instead this should open:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/sl/dictionaries?cid=926385

Since there is no "de" parameter in the first link, does that mean that the
default language for Extensions pages is German?

In that case at least this should be the link:
http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/dictionaries?cid=926385

Anyone else can see this?

Lp, m.

Re: [l10n-dev] Localization/Translation of OpenOffice.org Environment and Ecosystem

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Ok, it seems this is already localized into Slovenian, probably from the
main SDF file (I remember translating the strings), but as you say, it is
also obsolete regarding the Sun->Oracle transition.

There is a problem to report - it seems that the codepage of entered strings
is wrong - special characters do not render properly. Well, the problem
arises with one single character, a "č" (c with caron), which is displayed
as "�?".

http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/204_sl.html

Although the html page is set to utf-8 the Slovenian strings in it are not
displayed properly. Our SDF uses utf-8 so I do not know how this happened -
when the strings from the SDF were merged into HTML? Do other Slavic
latin-based languages have similar problems?

When does this page display itself? I have never seen it yet.

Lp, m.

2010/5/4 Rafaella Braconi 

> WARNING!! .
>
>
> On 04.05.10 13:07, Kazunari Hirano wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Rafaella Braconi
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Here is the list of the languages and the file:
>>> http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo_banner_thankyou.html
>>>
>>>
>> This is great!
>> Our Japanese community will use "Orginal Photoshop file for
>> translation" and make Japanese one.
>> Then we will file an issue and attach the Japanese banner to it.
>>
>>
> please wait ... it seems that the page content and the banner will be
> changed
> Now we have the information on how to proceed with the translation of the
> page ... but I'd recommend to wait for the English text to be final.
>
> Khirano  your feedback put so many things into motion :-) .
>
> Rafaella
>

Re: [l10n-dev] Localization/Translation of OpenOffice.org Environment and Ecosystem

[Martin Srebotnjak]

We, the Slovenian l10n team, want one! Please advise to localize.

Lp, m.

2010/5/4 Kazunari Hirano 

> Hi Marcus,
>
> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Marcus Lange  wrote:
> > http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/index_ja.html?cid=920899
> I have checked some other localized pages :)
> http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/index_de.html?cid=920899
> http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/index_fr.html?cid=920899
> http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/index_es.html?cid=920899
> http://update.services.openoffice.org/ooo/index_ko.html?cid=920899
> Hey they've got their "Thank you for using OpenOffice.org" banner
> localized!
> :)
> This is not fair :)  We also want Japanese one!
> :)
> How many languages have this kind of page?
> Thanks,
> khirano
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Re: [l10n-dev] Localization/Translation of OpenOffice.org Environment and Ecosystem

[Martin Srebotnjak]

2010/5/3 Sophie 

>  - The surveys are under the UX project umbrella, so if you want to
> translate it, just ask for an account in Lime Survey on the UX project. This
> is what I have done to translate them.
> - If you want to have the Extensions and Template website translated, you
> should ask on the webs...@extension.openoffice.org list.
> - For the registration page at Sun, we use to track it via the QA project.
> I remember I send it to Joost after correcting it. But I don't know if
> Oracle is willing to translate it.
> - For the Start Center icons/links, there is an issue I've opened here :
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=89394
> some of the links should work in your language (for FR only one of them
> work for sure, the template one, the others still point to EN resources).
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> Kind regards
> Sophie


Oh, Sophie, and I thought this is the l10n list and everything regarding
l10n happens here ;)

Thanks for the pointers, the template and extensions sites are already
localized into Slovenian, so is the QATrack, the surveys however aren't.

Lp, m.