Re: Remembering Ian Lynch in 4.1.2 announcement

[Ian Lynch]

Dear Andrea,

I am Ian's wife Rosemary, I monitor his emails regularly so I have just
seen your message.
It is nice for me to know that people remember Ian and appreciate the
contribution he made over the many years he was committed to the OpenOffice
Project. It is only through individuals from around the world each making
their own small contribution to the community that makes it all work.

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On 27 October 2015 at 22:52, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> I was wondering whether we should remember Ian Lynch at the end of the
> 4.1.2 Release announcement, with a sentence like
>
> "The OpenOffice community dedicates version 4.1.2 to the memory of Ian
> Lynch, a member of the OpenOffice Project Management Committee and a key
> contributor to marketing and education efforts, who passed away earlier
> this year" [of course please adjust and fix in case]
>
> I have no idea on whether this is appropriate or not. I'm rather neutral
> on the issue. Feedback welcome. Our memorial for Ian is at
> http://www.apache.org/memorials/ian_lynch.html
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: Please join me in congratulating Marcus.

[Ian Lynch]

+1

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On 31 March 2015 at 12:50, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> jan i wrote:
>
>> Marcus is now member of Apache Software Foundation.
>> Marcus was invited after the yearly membership meeting and accepted.
>>
>
> Congratulations, Marcus!
>
> And I hope we can soon admit more people "from OpenOffice" (this means
> nothing, but I'll use it to mean "people whose primary activity at Apache
> is within the OpenOffice project") into the Apache membership.
>
> As recent discussions (CMS, to name just one) show, it is important that
> OpenOffice feels part of the Apache Foundation, not to receive orders from
> it, but on the contrary, to do its part in improving it.
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
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Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Ian Lynch]

My view is more positive. Louis has at least one thing in his favour - long
term experience. Also I think he has a clear track record of commitment to
the project in difficult times. I have had differences with him in the
past, but I think that is just part of any pluralist system. I don't
particularly want to be in a situation where everyone has to agree with
everyone. What matters is matching experience and expertise to the job and
the evidence is he knows this job is different from the previous community
manager job he had with Sun. For a start he isn't getting paid to do it
now.

On 20 January 2015 at 09:32, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:

> On 20/01/15 00:29, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> >
> >> On 19 Jan 2015, at 13:32, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> >>
> >> I am probably seeming very disagreeable here.
> > Nope. You'll have to try harder :-)
> >
> > More seriously, you point to a flaw that was not evident on an abstract
> level but was in practice. I had an IM conversation with Andrea over the
> weekend, where I proposed that I withdraw my nomination, as having several
> -1 obviously damaged the ideal of consensus. An objection to my doing that
> now is that it's not clear what would be gained. Andrea and others believe
> that the election process has proceeded as it ought to have, with enough
> time allowed for discussion and then vote. But you argue the contrary, and
> it seems that a couple of others share your views.
> >
> > I have no problems withdrawing my candidacy and asking for new round.
> But I do want to point out a couple of things. 1. The chair role is not at
> all like that of OpenOffice.org, itself a kind of blur. This role is far
> more precisely defined and is an admin role. It actually rather resembles
> some of what I did while at CollabNet, and that included a lot of issue
> cleaning, tracking, infra stuff, permissions management, and so on. That I
> see some value beyond this is my take on it; as you know, Jan, for
> instance, has another. 2. I thought that the PMC could be reevaluated,
> though I'm by no means sure in what way, exactly. But I don't need to be;
> others have good ideas, I believe, or at least ideas that could be aired. I
> thought, and I think I was not alone in in this, that any re-doing of the
> PMC, however, should logically proceed *after* the election, as the
> candidate is elected by the binding votes of those making up the existing
> PMC. The sequence I envisioned was: A. Election; B. P
>  M
> C re-evaluation; C. New election if need be or is desired. There is no
> absolute set term for the chair.
> >
> > Finally, I also felt that Andrea wanted to step down and do it before
> February. But as he's recently underscored, he's not working on a deadline,
> just a desire.
> >
> > All that said, if we do want to go with a new round, starting from
> scratch, then suggest a sequence and timing. Personally, it might be
> cleaner—and also save time, in the end, to wait out this round, and if it
> failed as an election, *then* start afresh. In this event, then we'd start
> with the new process next week, I'd guess.
> >
>
> sorry for not answering earlier but I was on vacation and missed the
> whole discussion ...
>
> I will not vote right now because I believe the currently ongoing vote
> shows already a clear signal. Well it is up to Louis to interpret the -1
> votes on his own but I personally believe that Louis with his long
> history as community manager (how it was called) is somewhat negative
> contaminated and I believe he won't be the right PMC chair for the moment.
>
> I propose a second round with hopefully more nominated candidates and it
> is not necessary to have a long history in AOO. Just keep in mind the
> role of the PMC and think if you can manage it. If you are motivated to
> do it and help the project to move forward.
>
> This is my personal opinion only
>
> Juergen
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] New Apache OpenOffice PMC Chair

[Ian Lynch]

+1

On 19 January 2015 at 00:27, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:

> On 17/01/2015 Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> It's true the two last nominees -- Jan and Louis -- did discuss their
>> views at length, but there was not really much discussion on the
>> selections from this list. Contrast this from the discussions that
>> preceded the nominations for the initial PMC chair --
>> http://markmail.org/message/fj3ih654amdw4fmg
>>
>
> The issue was more lack of discussion than lack of time. We allocated much
> more time than we did in 2012 to each one of the phases (nominations,
> discussion, vote). Nobody can say that we didn't encourage participation.
> We didn't have a lot of participation, but there were no obstacles
> whatsoever to it.
>
>  Finally, I do hope Andrea might stay on for a bit
>> longer while we come to a consensus.
>>
>
> I gave my availability to resign "as soon as a successor can be elected",
> so I'm here in the meantime. Of course, I expected and still expect this to
> happen within a reasonable time!
>
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
>
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Re: Nominations for a new PMC Chair

[Ian Lynch]

Sounds a bit like the Marcons for marketing in the original OO.o project.

On 13 January 2015 at 09:45, RA Stehmann 
wrote:

> On 12.01.2015 23:22, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>
> > Of course, the community could create such roles—Marketing Leads, say.
> Done that before, and it works fine. But I’m also keen—and I think others
> are, too—in keeping to a minimum bureaucratic structures. (Not because I
> dislike bureaucracy—I don’t, in theory, as a means of resolving
> differences—but because titles and roles tend to calcify, and that I don’t
> think anyone likes.)
>
> In the "historic" germanophone community we have roles called
> "Ansprechpartner". That means a person, to whom topics can be addressed.
> We have "Ansprechpartner" (contact persons) for marketing, QA; Mac-port,
> website, translation etc..
>
> So it was clear, that these persons had adopted a special responsbility,
> but there was no special power given to them.
>
> I think, it might be a first step, if some of the PMC members would
> tell, for what topic they can be a contact person. Maybe we can add this
> in the list of the PMC members on the website, improving transparency,
> like we do it for mailinglists, blog, svn, bugzilla, wiki and social media.
>
> Kind regards
> Michael
>
>
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Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[Ian Lynch]

It would be better for the projects to merge, but the details (license,
community)  clearly matter a lot to some people. If there was a better
spirit of cooperation most of the effort could go into AOO with just some
minor things for the GPL version derived from it in an agreed way so that
that could satisfy the needs of that particular market. But to do that we
would have to get a lot more trust and "friendliness" between the two
projects. It doesn't seem too likely at present.

On 2 October 2014 12:55, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:

> On 02/10/14 01:44, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Alexandro Colorado 
> wrote:
> >> On G+ I have hold a conversation with Bruce Byfield and Jos from KDE
> >> about the continuation of the Apache OpenOffice community and how the
> >> way that the community has enter lately into a dormant stage with very
> >> little traffic.
> >>
> >> Althought I do seem that is an exageration, I feel that is true that
> >> traffic has reach its lowest in several months. I wonder what is going
> >> on with the community as well as overal adoption and concern of a lack
> >> of marketing strategy.
> >>
> >> I would love to hear from the community managers to have an evaluation.
> >>
> >
> > Community mangers?  Come on, you know that is not how we roll at Apache!
> >
> > What is amazing to be is how much LO sees a merger of the projects as
> > a threat to them.
> >
> > Here's the background.  At the LO conference one of the presenters
> > spoke in favor of merging LO with AOO, of combining the efforts.  This
> > was the IT Head from the Swiss Supreme Court IT office, who also said
> > that they preferred to use AOO for its superior stability compared to
> > LO.
> >
> >
> https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/open-and-libre-office-projects-should-reunite
> >
> > As you can imagine, having a speaker at a LO conference say nice
> > things about AOO and to suggest cooperation with AOO was an insult
> > that could not be permitted.   So LO marketing went into over-drive to
> > try to kill that message.  That's why we see articles like this, and
> > recent related blog posts by Simon and Charles.
> >
> > But it does make me wonder:  What are they so afraid of?  Why do they
> > think the idea of cooperation so dangerous?   Why do they think that
> > users are so wrong to value stability and to think that the two
> > projects would work better together?
>
> This is indeed a good question. I believe the TDF and LO community did a
> really good job to setup the foundation, the community and the project.
> But it is also a fact that LO benefits a lot of the things we have done
> and do in AOO.
>
> It's still a valid question why both projects doesn't cooperate better
> and focus together on important improvements. From my perspective it
> simply doesn't make sense and together we could reach much more.
>
> Juergen
>
> >
> >
> > -Rob
> >
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Re: Concerns about the AOO community

[Ian Lynch]

As a moderator of the dev list, I can't say I have noticed any reduction in
traffic. If anything its increasing.

On 1 October 2014 21:34, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

> On G+ I have hold a conversation with Bruce Byfield and Jos from KDE
> about the continuation of the Apache OpenOffice community and how the
> way that the community has enter lately into a dormant stage with very
> little traffic.
>
> Althought I do seem that is an exageration, I feel that is true that
> traffic has reach its lowest in several months. I wonder what is going
> on with the community as well as overal adoption and concern of a lack
> of marketing strategy.
>
> I would love to hear from the community managers to have an evaluation.
>
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Re: UK government preparing to switch to AOO?

[Ian Lynch]

Depends on how much is rhetoric and how much gets translated into practice.
I'll try and find out more and give nudges in the right direction. Two
things are in our favour. Microsoft has waning importance with the rise of
Google and Apple in particular and this makes people a bit less averse to
the risk of change. The government is desperate to demonstrate strategies
to save money to reduce the budget deficit in ways other than cutting
public services.


On 29 January 2014 12:53, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> >
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite
> > --
>
> Nice.  It sounds like the Cabinet Office Minister was talking about
> open standards, but that got conflated in the article with open
> source.  I cringe a little when I see phrases like "open-source files
> ".  But where open standards are adopted then open source programs
> like OpenOffice compete on a more level playing field, so this is all
> good.
>
> -Rob
>
> >
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http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jan/29/uk-government-plans-switch-to-open-source-from-microsoft-office-suite
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Re: Fw: Email Capable?

[Ian Lynch]

I have a Google mail account Gmail using Pop3. 3. In settings there is
Configure your email client (e.g. Outlook, Eudora, Netscape Mail) Configuration
instructions

so there is no need to make your e-mail dependent on either MS Office or
Open Office. You can use Gmail and probably other web based mail systems by
themselves or configured to link with a desk based client. The advantage
over a web based mail client is that you can get your e-mail at any time
from any device, not just one specific machine. Also the provider backs
everything up for you so no worries about any of that stuff. Google apps
are free so there is no need to buy Office 365 or indeed any office
software at all. Gmail and Google apps provide an integrated web based
system that can handle most tasks. Apache OpenOffice provides an additional
range of tools for more complex needs. we run our entire business using
this combination so it is perfectly possible to do.


On 22 January 2014 16:21,  wrote:

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> - Original Message -
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> To: contac...@openoffice.us.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:33 AM
> Subject: Email Capable?
>
>
> My Laptop 's OS is Windows 8.
> I migrated my email address from the UK, it is a pop3 account that has
> been configured to a one months trial  of Microsoft office 365,I am told
> that I need to purchase this product to be able to continue to use my
> email.(george.zu...@btconnect.com) would Open Office enable me to use my
> email?
> Kind Regards
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Re: 80 million downloads

[Ian Lynch]

Has anyone offered to put AOO into the Ubuntu software centre as a trusted
package automatically available? If not and there was no refusal to
cooperate I don;t see how you can say Ubuntu truncates the freedom of the
user. Anyone is free to do with Ubuntu the same things as with any other
distro, as with all distros, somethings are easier to implement for
non-geeks than others. I should think Ubuntu scores pretty highly on that
score as it probably has more non-geek users than any other.


On 2 December 2013 03:20, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:

> Hi Glenn,
>
> On 01-Dec-2013, at 19:45, Glenn Harvey Liwanag <
> glennharveyliwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Pardon for not reading the whole thread, but is Ubuntu not shipped with
> > AOO? Last time I installed Ubuntu, it had AOO. Or was it LibreOffice?
>
> LibreOffice.
> The issue here, and this is by no means within the proper scope of the
> subject line (sigh), is that Ubuntu (or should I say, Canonical) makes it
> hard for naive users (that is, those who are not inclined to use command
> line interfaces) to replace the LibreOffice default offering with Apache
> OpenOffice.
>
> It is by no means impossible and we've replied on several occasions with
> instructions how to do this, but these, afaik, are not posted to the
> download page, nor is the information about what is delivered with Ubuntu
> there.
>
> I have no real—well, okay, I do, a little—problem with LibreOffice being
> the default. I have a problem with any OS that so truncates the freedom of
> the user as Ubuntu does, and yet claims to work with and for a community
> that supposedly contributes to instituting freedom, not something more
> ironic.
>
> louis
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:22 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> >
> >> We use Ubuntu throughout the company and don't have any problems with
> it -
> >> well certainly no more than Windows and Apple Users seem to have. I
> suggest
> >> if AOO is difficult to install in Ubuntu for a non-developer its really
> up
> >> to those that have the skills and knowledge to change that..well that
> >> assumes that the project isn't just giving up on Ubuntu and leaving it
> to
> >> LO. I have to say AOO is one of the most difficult to install
> applications
> >> on Ubuntu. We can blame Ubuntu or Canonical or we can fix it. Depends on
> >> whether the Ubuntu market is seen as important because companies like
> ours
> >> are not going to switch platforms just to run AOO.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1 December 2013 23:25, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 01-Dec-2013, at 18:03, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Some distros make it very difficult for the typical Linux end user to
> >>>> install  anything NOT in the distro's repository. This is NOT why I
> >>>> switched to Linux, I can assure you.
> >>>
> >>> It's only—only—been my experience with Ubuntu. With *all* other
> LInuxes,
> >> I
> >>> get joy. (I've not used all there are, I refer just to those I've used;
> >> and
> >>> at that, via my virtualized environment. Ubuntu pretends to the ease of
> >> OS
> >>> X but is actually more—!!—tight with proprietary constraints, if you
> can
> >>> imagine that: if it don't come from Canonical, it ain't canonical.)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> (At any rate, that's what I would mean. Given the choice of OSs, for
> a
> >>> lot
> >>>>> of stuff I tend toward Linux. It's easier. But I tend then toward
> >>>>> non-Canonical Linuxes. Even easier.)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And try installing OOo in the latest Ubuntu *as a non-developer.*
> Tell
> >>> us
> >>>>> about it :-).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I have only used one Linux distro since I started. I do not use Ubuntu
> >>> and
> >>>> likely never will. I got away from MS because of all kinds of
> >>> restrictions
> >>>> and I don't need to trade one environment like that for another.
> >>>
> >>> Quite. And I love Linux (and also, for that matter, OS X) because it's
> >>> logical in its layout and thus easy to navigate, work with, use.
> Whereas
> >> I
> >>> dislike MSFT's Windows because it is seemingly arbitrary in layout and
> >>> operation; and though one can finally *get* that its logic is about
> >

Re: 80 million downloads

[Ian Lynch]

We use Ubuntu throughout the company and don't have any problems with it -
well certainly no more than Windows and Apple Users seem to have. I suggest
if AOO is difficult to install in Ubuntu for a non-developer its really up
to those that have the skills and knowledge to change that..well that
assumes that the project isn't just giving up on Ubuntu and leaving it to
LO. I have to say AOO is one of the most difficult to install applications
on Ubuntu. We can blame Ubuntu or Canonical or we can fix it. Depends on
whether the Ubuntu market is seen as important because companies like ours
are not going to switch platforms just to run AOO.


On 1 December 2013 23:25, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:

>
> On 01-Dec-2013, at 18:03, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>
> > Some distros make it very difficult for the typical Linux end user to
> > install  anything NOT in the distro's repository. This is NOT why I
> > switched to Linux, I can assure you.
>
> It's only—only—been my experience with Ubuntu. With *all* other LInuxes, I
> get joy. (I've not used all there are, I refer just to those I've used; and
> at that, via my virtualized environment. Ubuntu pretends to the ease of OS
> X but is actually more—!!—tight with proprietary constraints, if you can
> imagine that: if it don't come from Canonical, it ain't canonical.)
> >
> >
> >> (At any rate, that's what I would mean. Given the choice of OSs, for a
> lot
> >> of stuff I tend toward Linux. It's easier. But I tend then toward
> >> non-Canonical Linuxes. Even easier.)
> >>
> >> And try installing OOo in the latest Ubuntu *as a non-developer.* Tell
> us
> >> about it :-).
> >>
> >
> > I have only used one Linux distro since I started. I do not use Ubuntu
> and
> > likely never will. I got away from MS because of all kinds of
> restrictions
> > and I don't need to trade one environment like that for another.
>
> Quite. And I love Linux (and also, for that matter, OS X) because it's
> logical in its layout and thus easy to navigate, work with, use. Whereas I
> dislike MSFT's Windows because it is seemingly arbitrary in layout and
> operation; and though one can finally *get* that its logic is about
> property (MY MY MY things), still, one must then deal with mairzy doats and
> dozy doats and liddle lazy divey and not mares and does and lambs scarfing
> oats & ivy.)
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Re: Lost my way

[Ian Lynch]

Hi,

I think you are confusing us with Wikipedia. Apache OpenOffice has no
specific relationship to Wikipedia. If yo made an entry in Wikipedia you
should be able to find it with Wikipedia search if you can remember any key
words or phrases in the article.


On 26 November 2013 15:34, G and M Archambeau <
marion.archamb...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> Dear Sir or Madam,
>
> I tried to make a submission to Wikipedia, and was able to open an account
> on Mar 11th 2013. I did use- the User Name-winona3, and was given a account
> No. 95081 & password. However I could never re connect with my account
> after that date. Would you be kind enough to help me find it. The subject
> matter was about my grandfather’s contribution to Jamaica, as he was a
> Jamaican-born  Police Inspector in British Colonial times. I await your
> reply, thank you. Gerald A. Archambeau-author.




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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Ian Lynch]

Apache Open Office is not Microsoft Office. We make it as compatible as we
possibly can but since MS does not tell us exactly how it organises its
data that is not always easy. I don't think anyone has ever claimed
OpenOffice to be able to provide complex MS documents with 100% fidelity.
If you draw your diagrams in a drawing program as opposed to a word
processor you will find it more efficient. Then you can put the diagrams
into the WP document as .pngs without much risk of things going astray.


On 10 November 2013 21:30, Marouf Ahmed  wrote:

> I finished my coursework on Open Office with great difficulty. I have
> outrageously angry with the software it took me half an hour to sort out
> images in my coursework. When I opened the document in Microsoft word
> viewer (as my school uses Microsoft office) all my coursework had messed up
> I was furious to find that the call outs that I used in open office did not
> appear on Microsoft office and that some images had got out of place, it
> had also rearranged my diagram.
>
>
>
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Re: Open Office

[Ian Lynch]

   - The word *criteria* is often treated as singular or even uncountable,
   but these uses are usually still considered incorrect; the standard
   singular form is *criterion *.
   The standard and most common plural form is *criteria*; less common
is *criterions
   
*.[1]
   [2] 

Wiktionary

Criteria as a word is not slang, it is the correct plural. Neither
criterion nor criteria should show up as an incorrect spelling. Criterions
does but then again it does in Google too. So I think criterions is arguable

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/58188/is-criterions-a-valid-plural-for-criterion



On 6 November 2013 09:39, URL J. von Palokangas  wrote:

> I have been using Apache Open Office Writer for about a month, and I have
> a gripe and
> a suggestion:
>
> GRIPE:
> Open Office uses the incorrect slang term "Criteria" in its spell check
> and in a couple of places in the
> program itself.   Look in the dictionary:  The correct word is CRITERION
> for a single requirement,
> and the correct word for more than one requirement is CRITERIONS.  It
> really irritates me when
> I'm writing a report or letter, and I use the correct word Criterion or
> Criterions, and the spellcheck
> marks it as an error.  If you can't repair this, then I'm moving to a
> different word processor.
>
> SUGGESTION:
> Whenever I close a document, the program takes me back to the Open Office
> program selection
> menu. Why not do what MS Word does - just close the file and keep the
> program running so I
> can open a new file immediately instead of going out of the program and
> then selecting it again
> to continue working with another file.
>
>
> Earl J. Kangas
>  from the
> People's Socialist Republic of California
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Re: Big mistake

[Ian Lynch]

Just to expand a little on Rob's reply. We do take complaints seriously but
you will appreciate that as a volunteer organisation we don't always have
the resources to respond immediately to every individual problem. Our aim
is to provide useful free office software to as many people who can benefit
as possible. The variations in your load times make me think that you could
be short of RAM in your computer or that there is some other similar set up
issue. If all things are the same the load times should be too, even if
they are slower than you would like. Try unloading any applications that is
not essential before attempting to open the document. 5.3 MB is not that
unusually large -  just opened a 142 MB odt document in about 15 seconds.
If you are saving in Microsoft formats it will take longer because the
software will have to do a conversion from one format to the other but it
should not be taking that long. If you want to e-mail me your document I'll
try opening it and see if the result is the same on my computer. If it
isn't it suggests something related to the way your system is set up. If it
is very slow it is probably something to do with the file and we can then
look at that to see what is causing the problem and if it is a bug put it
in the queue to fix it.


On 25 October 2013 14:45, rjtoday  wrote:

> The big mistake is mine.  I made a big mistake "upgrading" from an earlier
> version of Writer to the one in your version 3.4.
>
> I have a doc file that's 5300 KB.  I could load it in the older version
> (now wiped out by the "upgrade") in 15 or 20 seconds.  With the "improved"
> 3.4 version?  The first time I tried, it took 8 minutes to load.  (Oh,
> pardon me, I mean "import."  I guess you people aren't into mere "loading"
> anymore.)  The second time I tried to load the file -- sorry, I mean
> "import" -- it took 23 minutes.  Yes, that's right -- 23 MINUTES!!
>  What's next, 70 minutes??
>
> You know how long it took Microsoft Word to load the same file?  7
> seconds.  Yes, that's right -- 7 SECONDS!
>
> Guess who's never using OpenOffice ever again?  I'll give you a hint:
>  someone who thinks it's complete garbage.
>
> Why didn't I used your forums to seek a solution?  Because looking through
> 26,000 topics would have taken almost as long as loading -- sorry, I mean
> "importing" -- a file into your garbage Writer.
>
> You can ignore this complaint if you want.  It's the same thing I'll be
> doing to OpenOffice.




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Re: AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

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One consideration is power consumption, cost is another, multi-vendor is
another. We can also learn from history that volumes determine markets and
the Android/Arm combo is sweeping the planet. It's not in our power to stop
that any more than is would be to ignore Windows on desktops. If Intel
can't stop it I doubt we have any chance of doing so. If "AOO/odf" editing
wants to get out there as far as possible it needs to go to any large
volume platform and Android/ARM already looks set to be the biggest. Looks
like its easier for ARM to scale up and keep costs and power consumption
down than it is for x86 to scale down without melting your device or a hole
in your pocket ;-).


On 22 October 2013 03:22, Fernando Cassia  wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>
> > Given the number of Android devices out there and growing I can see a
> time
> > where if its not editable there it won't be worth considering.
> >
>
> I think it's worth educationg consumers that "tablet form factor" does not
> necessarily mean "Android OS on a ARM CPU."
>
> I'm using a MSI Windpad 110W with 10" screen and AMD Fusion CPU/GPU (APU).
> I can run any darn x86 OS I want on it, Win7, Ubuntu Linux, Fedora Linux,
> FreeBSD.
>
> There are many other x86 tablets with CPUs from AMD and Intel.
> Why people continue restricting themselves to ARM/Android devices (besides
> 50%+ lower cost) when they could have the power of a full laptop on a
> tablet form factor is beyond me...
>
> FC
>
>
> --
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> act
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Re: AOO on Nexus 7 and the Kim Komando Show

[Ian Lynch]

Given the number of Android devices out there and growing I can see a time
where if its not editable there it won't be worth considering.


On 21 October 2013 23:18, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:

> Drew,
> I've not tested this on my Chrome set up (VM install. of Chrome OS). But
> I'm fairly curious about the technology, and just wrote to the email alias
> provided by the quite anonymous developer(s).
>
> There's a *large* market for a usable Android ODF editor. Usable for a
> mobile does not equate to AOO cramming AOO's UI down to size. :-/
>
> Cheers
> Louis
>
> On 2013-10-21, at 15:40 , Drew Jensen  wrote:
>
> > Thanks, I did not think AOO ran directly on the Nexus.
> >
> > hmm - well, I checked the show site and they already posted the other
> items
> > I heard mentioned form the weekend show, but nothing regarding this
> callers
> > question.
> >
> > I suppose it is worth an email to the show producer. Unfortunately I'm
> > running short on time for today already, but I'll get that done and sent
> > tomorrow and will cc the list.
> >
> > //drew
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:06:31 -0400
> >> Drew Jensen  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Howdy,
> >>>
> >>> For those who do not know who Kim Komando is, she hosts a rather
> >> successful
> >>> radio talk show dealing with digital consumer products.
> >>>
> >>> This last weekend's show included a call in about speech recognition
> and
> >>> OpenOffice, and the Nexus 7.
> >>>
> >>> The host explained that they would be putting up a quick tutorial on
> >> their
> >>> website, www.komando.com/ , showing hot to hook this up on the Nexus
> 7.
> >>>
> >>> So - does AOO actually run on a Nexus 7, I really don't know and if
> their
> >>> is any known problems does anyone happen to have a contact with the
> show
> >> so
> >>> that we could help them put this together.
> >>>
> >> There is a version at
> >> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andropenoffice
> >>
> >> I installed this on my Nexus 7 some weeks ago; as far as I have  tried,
> it
> >> works. But as my interest is writing I prefer to write/edit on a real
> >> laptop/desktop, so haven't progressed very far with this version.
> >>
> >> --
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Re: Version 4.1

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Hi Michael,

We have tested the file you sent and we can't replicate the problem. The
sheet is very simple and if there was a bug in the software it would
certainly be affecting many other people. So all I can think is that it is
something in the way your system is set up. We know that a partial download
can result in these symptoms. Did you check that the downloaded file was
the full size it should be before installing it? It should be around 150
MB. If you have checked that and are sure it is not that, can you get a
friend with a similar computer to download and install AOO and try it. If
it works on their computer you can look for any differences between the two
systems.


On 20 October 2013 20:03, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Michael Cleary 
> wrote:
> > Good morning,
> >
> > As I was invited to upgrade to version 4.1, I did so. I am not a
> computer expert and struggle with the formulae on my homemade banking
> spread sheets but as they were functioning perfectly well before and now
> every cell shows an error 509.
> >
> > I have spent 2 hours this morning which I really can't afford, and I
> know I should try harder but frustration (and bad temper) is setting in, so
> can you please advise me as to what has caused (and the remedy please)
> these very simple formulae to now be incorrect as they were previously
> fine. They are very basic arithmetic formulae, nothing complex at all.
> >
> > Sorry to be a pain,
> >
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thanks for letting us know.  Would it be possible to get a simplified
> spreadsheet document that demonstrates the bug?  (I assume you don't
> want to share your banking data).  I'd be interested in trying this
> with an older version of OpenOffice and see if I can reproduce what
> you are seeing.  Or, 9if you are not able to share a spreadsheet, can
> you narrow down exactly what part of the calculation changed?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > Very frustrated,
> >
> > Mike Cleary
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Re: Version 4.1

[Ian Lynch]

Have you tried uninstalling AOO, downloadong it again from
http://www.openoffice.org/download/ and reinstalling? Chances are that if
this error was a bug, other people would have reported it. So be sure you
have the complete downlaod and installation running first. Back up any
files first just to be sure they are safe and secure, uninstall AOO,
download 4.01 from the AOO web site and install it. Open the files and see
if the problem is still there. If it is send me a copy of a file and I can
check it works here. If it does it is definitely something peculiar about
your system set up if not you found a bug that needs to be fixed.


On 20 October 2013 13:21, Michael Cleary  wrote:

> Hiya,
> Have looked at the link and I'm sorry but just not able to sort this out.
> As I said, I'm not an expert and do not follow most of the terminology.
> That said, I'm most grateful to you guys for taking the time to help,
> thanks. Guess I'd better just get the pencil sharpener out.
> Thanks once again,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 20 October 2013, 13:09, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:03:07 +0100 (BST)
>
> Michael Cleary  wrote:
>
> > Good morning,
> >
> > As I was invited to upgrade to version 4.1, I did so. I am not a
> computer expert and struggle with the formulae on my homemade banking
> spread sheets but as they were functioning perfectly well before and now
> every cell shows an error 509.
> >
> > I have spent 2 hours this morning which I really can't afford, and I
> know I should try harder but frustration (and bad temper) is setting in, so
> can you please advise me as to what has caused (and the remedy please)
> these very simple formulae to now be incorrect as they were previously
> fine. They are very basic arithmetic formulae, nothing complex at all.
> >
> > Sorry to be a pain,
> >
> > Very frustrated,
> >
> > Mike Cleary
>
> If this is happening with all formulae it is worth trying the universal
> (first case) OpenOffice cure for oddities, namely to delete or rename the
> User Profile
> http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426
>
> --
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>



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Re: Version 4.1

[Ian Lynch]

Take a look at
http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=45671

Someone here had a similar problem due to an incomplete download. Try
reinstalling to be sure you have the full software.
 You are not subscribed to the list so I have ccd the message to you as you
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On 20 October 2013 11:03, Michael Cleary  wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> As I was invited to upgrade to version 4.1, I did so. I am not a computer
> expert and struggle with the formulae on my homemade banking spread sheets
> but as they were functioning perfectly well before and now every cell shows
> an error 509.
>
> I have spent 2 hours this morning which I really can't afford, and I know
> I should try harder but frustration (and bad temper) is setting in, so can
> you please advise me as to what has caused (and the remedy please) these
> very simple formulae to now be incorrect as they were previously fine. They
> are very basic arithmetic formulae, nothing complex at all.
>
> Sorry to be a pain,
>
> Very frustrated,
>
> Mike Cleary




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Re: Crowdfunding for Apache OpenOffice

[Ian Lynch]

Probably best to choose a specific feature or aspect of AOO that would be a
popular benefit to a lot of people. That is the difficult bit. What is
likely to be possible? Maybe further improvements to Word import/export or
something? Abilty to fully edit pdf files? Whatever is chosen needs wide
appeal but is not such a big job as to be impossible to achieve. I'd like a
multi-user AOO to use instead of GoogleDocs but I suspect this would be too
big a project.


On 7 October 2013 08:51, janI  wrote:

> On 7 October 2013 01:28, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > Am 05.10.13 13:30, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> >
> >  Jörg Schmidt wrote:
> >>
> >>> Apache could for example give hints/weblinks how to encrypt emails
> (that
> >>> would
> >>> help people in dictatorships), but that is not the real object of
> Apache
> >>>
> >>
> >> That would not be relevant to the project. But if someone has a budget
> to
> >> spend in improving Apache OpenOffice, this would be relevant to the
> >> project: it would be useful to him to learn that he cannot pay a
> developer
> >> through Apache, but that (with no involvement and no responsibilities
> for
> >> Apache) he can post his request on a third-party website.
> >>
> > Yes, it's not a topic for the ASF, but for the OpenOffice Community. The
> > special thing about OpenOffice is the large userbase. If only one of 500
> > users invest 10 dollars, there would be a investment about 1 million
> > dollars. Luckely this doesn't happend. I simply want to show how big the
> > potential is. To get me right, I talk about investments, and not about
> > donnations.
> >
> > I plane to start small, with small projects of same 1000 dollars. You can
> > see the results faster and good results generate new funds. It is not a
> > easy part, and I understand everyone who stay away from this business.
> But
> > it is also a big chance for OpenOffice and of course for developers.
>
>
> I think you are on a correct track in my experience AOO is very well suited
> for crowdfunding, we have a very large known user base. I see it as a
> chance to get things done we otherwise would not have the capacity to do.
>
> The key to success is however a lot of preparation, you have one shot with
> your campain, so it needs to be eye catching and understandable (the user
> must see the personal benefit). Choosing the right website seems less
> important, trix is to use the social media.
>
> One of my good friends ran a very succesfull campain, raising funding to
> build a small footprint controller with embedded linux, it actually paid
> for 5 people a small year.
>
> If you need/want help with preparing the campain or afterwards, just mail
> me.
>
> rgds
> jan I.
>
>
> >
> >> Then, like all patches, this contribution may or may not be included in
> >> OpenOffice depending on licensing and technical merit. But at least we
> give
> >> some more visibility to the OpenOffice "ecosystem", quite similarly to
> what
> >> we do with consultants.
> >>
> >> That said, I have very little experience with crowdfunding sites and I
> >> don't know what the best one would be to find OpenOffice developers.
> >>
> > I will talk next week to a person who has probabily experiance with this.
> > I know this person from may sporttime. He has a company that helps in
> > startups. Sametimes it's good to have a load of connections ;-)
> >
> > Greetings Raphael
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: I'm ready to give up on Open Office

[Ian Lynch]

Don't think he is subscribed to the list so he won't see your message.


On 5 October 2013 23:29, Vladislav Stevanovic  wrote:

> Hello Bob,
>
> I am just another user of Oo like you. Your letter shows me that you really
> love Oo but, problems push you in that way that your are now disappointed.
> And I had some bad experiences in my one business with Oo in the past, but
> I learned one rule: If there is some bug and makes me problems, I just
> install previous version. I now how that is frustrating to using an old
> version of Oo! But, we both now that this is open source, there is no
> enough developers, and bug fixes are not so fast as we want. Maybe for you
> is solution to switch on other office package, but here is also an
> alternative for you: go to Bugzilla, reported your problem, and see what
> will be happens. I reported several bugs, and in reasonably period they are
> fixed. So, if you want to help us and yourself, please feel you freely to
> report issue, attached your example and describe in detail what is the
> problem. That bug we cannot solve without you.
>
> Best regards,
> Wlada ( also one of users who really want to see  Oo  as much better,
> faster, without bugs office software)
>
>
> 2013/10/5 Bob Lee 
>
> > I've been using Open Office for my personal use for years.  Ever since
> > "upgrading" to 4.0, I've been having more problems with the program
> > randomly crashing than all of the years before.  And each time it
> crashes,
> > I have to rebuild half the data and all of the formatting because the
> > recovery function is an absolute joke.
> >
> > I've tried using Libre Office, but I don't like how they handled certain
> > functions.  I've just upgraded to OO 4.01, but the next time this damn
> > thing crashed I'm uninstalling it and I'll find something else to use,
> even
> > if that means having to shell out money for MSOffice.
> >
> > Its just so sad to see what this once great open source product has
> become.
> >
> > Bob Lee
> > Merrimack, NH
> >
>



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Re: I'm ready to give up on Open Office

[Ian Lynch]

...and of course keep a backup history. Save regularly under different
version names so that if something goes wrong you can find out where and
revert to a version that is not too far from the current version. This is
really a sensible strategy whatever software you are using if the work is
critically important. Ok, it takes up some more disc space but in these
days of 100s of gigs that shouldn't really be an issue for office docs.


On 5 October 2013 15:56, Bob Lee  wrote:

> I've been using Open Office for my personal use for years.  Ever since
> "upgrading" to 4.0, I've been having more problems with the program
> randomly crashing than all of the years before.  And each time it crashes,
> I have to rebuild half the data and all of the formatting because the
> recovery function is an absolute joke.
>
> I've tried using Libre Office, but I don't like how they handled certain
> functions.  I've just upgraded to OO 4.01, but the next time this damn
> thing crashed I'm uninstalling it and I'll find something else to use, even
> if that means having to shell out money for MSOffice.
>
> Its just so sad to see what this once great open source product has become.
>
> Bob Lee
> Merrimack, NH
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Re: Reporting a problem with the OpenOffice website

[Ian Lynch]

First, you need to be subscribed to the mailing list to see replies. I cc'd
you e-mail address for this one. This is an English language list.

Apache OpenOffice is a volunteer community. It is entirely made up from
volunteers and we need more in different countries to support different
languages.

It is difficult to understand from your e-mail exactly what is impossible
to understand - do you mean because you can only find it in English? We are
providing free and open source code, we can not guarantee all languages
will be supported equally, it depends on how much volunteer effort can be
established in particular localities.

Först måste du att prenumerera på sändlistan för att se svaren. Jag cc'd du
e-postadressen för detta. Detta är en engelskspråkig lista.

Apache OpenOffice är en volontär gemenskap. Det är helt består av
volontärer och vi behöver fler i olika länder för att stödja olika språk.

Det är svårt att förstå från din e-post precis det som är omöjligt att
förstå - menar du att du kan bara hitta det på engelska? Vi tillhandahåller
fri och öppen källkod, kan vi inte garantera att alla språk kommer att
stödjas lika, det beror på hur mycket frivilliga insatser kan fastställas
på vissa platser.






On 16 September 2013 10:44, Birgitta Pettersson  wrote:

> It is impossible to understand, it is impossible to get, your are cheating
> the customers. I hade in my former computer open office, free, where do I
> find it now, and are you to lazy to write in swedish.




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Re: The Names of OpenOffice (How users are finding our website)

[Ian Lynch]

Yes 26 seems to be Japanese. Difficult to know if Chinese are just more
ready to use English - my limited experience seemed to suggest otherwise
since few spoke English at the recent international university education
conference I was speaking at. Had an interpreter, line by line. No-one
seemed to know much about FOSS. Perhaps we just have a very big potential
but untapped market in China ;-).


On 16 August 2013 14:45, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 9:34 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> > Surprised there is no 开放式办公 (Open Office in Chinese) given the
> population.
> >
>
> Looking further down the list, after the top 10, I see the following
> non-English searches:
>
>
> 11.  openoffice ダウンロード
>
> 14. open office gratuit
>
> 15. опен офис
>
> 20. 오픈오피스
>
> 24. telecharger open office
>
> 26. オープンオフィス無料ダウンロード
>
> 27. openoffice 日本語
>
> 33. open office pobierz
>
> I can look at the results per search engine, and the most common
> queries for Baidu users are still openoffice, open office and
> openoffice.org.  So maybe these versions are more familiar than with
> Chinese characters?  Or, if that is the preferred term, our website
> doesn't use it enough so users don't end up finding our website.   I
> only get stats for users who actually visit the website.  If they
> search for something and don't find us, then we don't have a record of
> that.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > Though on a recent trip to China I was surprised at how low the awareness
> > was of AOO.
> >
> >
> > On 16 August 2013 13:21, sebb  wrote:
> >
> >> On 16 August 2013 12:56, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> > And update of data gathered from website visitors.  Of the ones who
> >> > come to our website from a search engine results list (and that is 48%
> >> > of our total visitors), the top ten search queries, along with a count
> >> > of recent visitors, are:
> >> >
> >> > 1. open office (326,369)
> >> > 2. openoffice (213,374)
> >> > 3. openoffice download (32,188)
> >> > 4. openoffice.org (21,786)
> >> > 5. オープンオフィス (13,476)
> >> > 6. open office mac (11,307)
> >> > 7. apache openoffice (10,576)
> >> > 8. open office download (8,964)
> >> > 9. openoffice for mac (7,395)
> >> > 10. download open office (7,006)
> >> >
> >> > Note the strong drop after the first two queries.
> >> >
> >> > (And what is #5?  Japanese?  What does it say?)
> >>
> >> Google Translate says it is Japanese for "open Office" (sic)
> >>
> >> > So what does this all mean?
> >> >
> >> > A. Users are not consistent about whether the name is one word or two.
> >> >  Maybe they hear about the name by ear?  Or maybe this is just the
> >> > pull of standard language rules.  The noun is "office" and "open" is
> >> > an adjective.  It is hard to overcome years of schooling to think of
> >> > an artificial name like "OpenOffice".
> >> >
> >> > B.  The core name in their mind is "OpenOffice"/"Open Office" without
> >> > the ".org" or the "Apache".  This is what they are searching for when
> >> > they look for us.
> >> >
> >> > Now, one might have a theory that uses searching for "open office" end
> >> > up on our website by mistake.  Maybe they were searching for something
> >> > else.  For example, this term is also used to refer to an office
> >> > seating plan without walls, where everything is open in a big room.
> >> > This is also an "open office".  However, if I look at only
> >> > search-directed traffic that actually leads to a download of AOO, the
> >> > query "open office" and "openoffice" are also at the very top of the
> >> > list.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > -Rob
> >> >
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Re: The Names of OpenOffice (How users are finding our website)

[Ian Lynch]

Surprised there is no 开放式办公 (Open Office in Chinese) given the population.

Though on a recent trip to China I was surprised at how low the awareness
was of AOO.


On 16 August 2013 13:21, sebb  wrote:

> On 16 August 2013 12:56, Rob Weir  wrote:
> > And update of data gathered from website visitors.  Of the ones who
> > come to our website from a search engine results list (and that is 48%
> > of our total visitors), the top ten search queries, along with a count
> > of recent visitors, are:
> >
> > 1. open office (326,369)
> > 2. openoffice (213,374)
> > 3. openoffice download (32,188)
> > 4. openoffice.org (21,786)
> > 5. オープンオフィス (13,476)
> > 6. open office mac (11,307)
> > 7. apache openoffice (10,576)
> > 8. open office download (8,964)
> > 9. openoffice for mac (7,395)
> > 10. download open office (7,006)
> >
> > Note the strong drop after the first two queries.
> >
> > (And what is #5?  Japanese?  What does it say?)
>
> Google Translate says it is Japanese for "open Office" (sic)
>
> > So what does this all mean?
> >
> > A. Users are not consistent about whether the name is one word or two.
> >  Maybe they hear about the name by ear?  Or maybe this is just the
> > pull of standard language rules.  The noun is "office" and "open" is
> > an adjective.  It is hard to overcome years of schooling to think of
> > an artificial name like "OpenOffice".
> >
> > B.  The core name in their mind is "OpenOffice"/"Open Office" without
> > the ".org" or the "Apache".  This is what they are searching for when
> > they look for us.
> >
> > Now, one might have a theory that uses searching for "open office" end
> > up on our website by mistake.  Maybe they were searching for something
> > else.  For example, this term is also used to refer to an office
> > seating plan without walls, where everything is open in a big room.
> > This is also an "open office".  However, if I look at only
> > search-directed traffic that actually leads to a download of AOO, the
> > query "open office" and "openoffice" are also at the very top of the
> > list.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
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Re: [IDEA] "Back to School with AOO" blog post

[Ian Lynch]

On 6 August 2013 15:40, Rob Weir  wrote:

> It is that time of year now:  back to school.
>
> I wonder if this could make a good blog post.   Of course, AOO being
> free is core part of the story.  But even better would be if we had a
> "top 10" list of ways in which AOO is great for school.
>


1. Use the same software at home and at school without worrying about
licensing
2. Participate in the AOO community and provide useful things for others
while you learn
3. Fix broken Word documents
4. Provide choice and promote transferrable skills by using more than one
type of tool
5. Get a qualification referenced to the European Qualifications Framework




>
> Maybe specific templates or extensions that are especially useful for
> school?
>
> Good for students as well as for teachers?
>
> Any special tips or techniques about using AOO for school work?
>
> If we can come up with 10 nice ideas, I can write it up in a blog post.
>
> Pleas share any ideas you might have.
>
> -Rob
>
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Re: Certified DEVs

[Ian Lynch]

On 9 June 2013 22:18, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>> As I said, let's not worry about the certification thing. I doubt it
>> is really worth the effort developing a formal certification program
>> for so few. It really has to be thousands of possible candidates to
>> make these things work and end users would be the only way of getting
>> those numbers. It is only to answer the simple question "How many
>> people are making or are likely to make significant coding
>> contributions to the project?"  (I don't think TDF has the first clue
>> about certification in general, it's just that happens to be where
>> they are identifying their main coders.) Perhaps Dave's svn authors
>> list would do it. Maybe its just not an issue. Just occurred to me
>> that if someone asked me how many people work on AOO code I wouldn't
>> be able to give any sort of answer.
>>
>
> Sorry, I was responding to the topic of the thread that you started.
> I'm not really interesting in rehashing the "whose is longer" debate
> with LibreOffice.

Seems I'm a bad communicator ;-) It's nothing to do with whose is
longer. I was simply saying if someone asked me how many developers
were making significant contributions at AOO I wouldn't be able to
answer the question. Maybe everyone else can so its just my problem.


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Re: Certified DEVs

[Ian Lynch]

As I said, let's not worry about the certification thing. I doubt it
is really worth the effort developing a formal certification program
for so few. It really has to be thousands of possible candidates to
make these things work and end users would be the only way of getting
those numbers. It is only to answer the simple question "How many
people are making or are likely to make significant coding
contributions to the project?"  (I don't think TDF has the first clue
about certification in general, it's just that happens to be where
they are identifying their main coders.) Perhaps Dave's svn authors
list would do it. Maybe its just not an issue. Just occurred to me
that if someone asked me how many people work on AOO code I wouldn't
be able to give any sort of answer.

On 9 June 2013 21:37, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>> On 9 June 2013 20:35, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Ian Lynch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My main thought was market confidence. If LO can say they have 26
>>>>> developers working on code it would be interesting to have a
>>>>> comparison on a similar "like for like" basis.
>>>>
>>>> Before we can make a like for like comparison we need to understand the 
>>>> TDF process:
>>>>
>>>> From the page you cite:
>>>>> Certified Developers are present TDF members, were nominated by the 
>>>>> Certification Committee, and subsequently peer-reviewed by the 
>>>>> Engineering Steering Committee.
>>>>
>>>> But there is also a disclaimer (with a grammatical error of translation):
>>>>> Notes on the aforementioned entries: our list of certified developers is 
>>>>> for your information, alphabetically sorted, and not necessarily complete 
>>>>> nor up-to-date. Specifically does TDF not recommend nor endorse any of 
>>>>> the listed companies. Interested parties are asked to individually assess 
>>>>> if the listed companies are suitable for their respective requirements. 
>>>>> If you notice mistakes or inaccuracies, please inform us 
>>>>> ati...@documentfoundation.org.
>>>>
>>>> Unless we can replicate this process I am afraid that any "like for like" 
>>>> comparison may be fodder for press FUD.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For the same credentials (and 100 pounds) one can become a Knight of
>>> the Sovereign Military Order of Sealand:
>>>
>>> http://www.sealandgov.org/title-pack/knight
>>>
>>>> We would need to use a publicly measurable approach like "more than X 
>>>> commits to the code base". It is likely that X would need to be supported 
>>>> by examining the commit logs of LO and comparing with their list finding 
>>>> the person with the least commits who is on their list.
>>>>
>>>> If someone can provide this comparison then I would support a blog post. 
>>>> This could also point to our full committer count to show that the project 
>>>> values all contributions.
>>>>
>>>> We can also emphasize that at the ASF it is individuals and not companies 
>>>> that are contributing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The other part is this:  what the market really needs is an easy way
>>> for any competent developer to learn AOO programming, whether macros,
>>> extensions or core, and be productive.   This is a need for good,
>>> up-to-date documentation, sample apps, etc.  When that is in place
>>> then we might be lucky enough to have a large number of developers who
>>> are not also committers.  But until we've more fully enabled this
>>> larger developer ecosystem, then any certification program would
>>> merely be self-dealing, as it appears to be with LibreOffice.  And
>>> that doesn't really accomplish anything.  It is just heaping titles on
>>> the same core rather than extending the reach.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>
>> It wasn't so much the certification part that seems important. More
>> that there are 26 people who are judged to be capable of (and probably
>> willing) to make a significant contribution to LO code. How many AOO
>> people can similarly be identified? Its just a simple thing if its
>> easy to present. I'm not suggesting anyone spend a lot of time on it.
>>
>
> 

Re: Certified DEVs

[Ian Lynch]

On 9 June 2013 20:35, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Ian Lynch wrote:
>>
>>> My main thought was market confidence. If LO can say they have 26
>>> developers working on code it would be interesting to have a
>>> comparison on a similar "like for like" basis.
>>
>> Before we can make a like for like comparison we need to understand the TDF 
>> process:
>>
>> From the page you cite:
>>> Certified Developers are present TDF members, were nominated by the 
>>> Certification Committee, and subsequently peer-reviewed by the Engineering 
>>> Steering Committee.
>>
>> But there is also a disclaimer (with a grammatical error of translation):
>>> Notes on the aforementioned entries: our list of certified developers is 
>>> for your information, alphabetically sorted, and not necessarily complete 
>>> nor up-to-date. Specifically does TDF not recommend nor endorse any of the 
>>> listed companies. Interested parties are asked to individually assess if 
>>> the listed companies are suitable for their respective requirements. If you 
>>> notice mistakes or inaccuracies, please inform us 
>>> ati...@documentfoundation.org.
>>
>> Unless we can replicate this process I am afraid that any "like for like" 
>> comparison may be fodder for press FUD.
>>
>
> For the same credentials (and 100 pounds) one can become a Knight of
> the Sovereign Military Order of Sealand:
>
> http://www.sealandgov.org/title-pack/knight
>
>> We would need to use a publicly measurable approach like "more than X 
>> commits to the code base". It is likely that X would need to be supported by 
>> examining the commit logs of LO and comparing with their list finding the 
>> person with the least commits who is on their list.
>>
>> If someone can provide this comparison then I would support a blog post. 
>> This could also point to our full committer count to show that the project 
>> values all contributions.
>>
>> We can also emphasize that at the ASF it is individuals and not companies 
>> that are contributing.
>>
>
> The other part is this:  what the market really needs is an easy way
> for any competent developer to learn AOO programming, whether macros,
> extensions or core, and be productive.   This is a need for good,
> up-to-date documentation, sample apps, etc.  When that is in place
> then we might be lucky enough to have a large number of developers who
> are not also committers.  But until we've more fully enabled this
> larger developer ecosystem, then any certification program would
> merely be self-dealing, as it appears to be with LibreOffice.  And
> that doesn't really accomplish anything.  It is just heaping titles on
> the same core rather than extending the reach.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob

It wasn't so much the certification part that seems important. More
that there are 26 people who are judged to be capable of (and probably
willing) to make a significant contribution to LO code. How many AOO
people can similarly be identified? Its just a simple thing if its
easy to present. I'm not suggesting anyone spend a lot of time on it.

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Re: Certified DEVs

[Ian Lynch]

My main thought was market confidence. If LO can say they have 26
developers working on code it would be interesting to have a
comparison on a similar "like for like" basis.

On 9 June 2013 17:24, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> On Jun 9, 2013, at 7:36 AM, janI wrote:
>
>> On 9 June 2013 16:04, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that LibreO has 26 Certified Developers.
>>>
>>> http://www.documentfoundation.org/certification/developers/
>>>
>>> While we have the concept of a committer here at AOO is there
>>> something specific for active code developers? Would it be worth
>>> considering such a thing?
>>>
>
> The LO page is more about the people who are "certified" coders. This is a 
> functional equivalent to an svn auth list on the codebase - those AOO 
> committers who work on the codebase as opposed to QA, Infra, Marketing and 
> most importantly Translation.
>
> Apache is a flat organization. We don't make this distinction. Do we want to 
> start playing a marketing game of numbers, or do we want to put our energy 
> into writing the best code? [4]
>
>>
>> I think the committer status, covers much of the "certification", if we do
>> such a thing for developers, we should also do it for
>> QA, documenters etc.
>
> Exactly. If anything we should highlight our differences. We are an 
> organization where active contribution and engagement of all kinds is 
> important. It is community over code. [1]
> .
>> I do like the lo page, as such, because it clearly shows who (and from
>> where) are paid, and who are volunteers. Such a list would be nice to have
>> for newcommers, especially if it included a line or two about the interest
>> of each.
>
> We have built similar information. Committers just need to maintain it.
>
> It is currently in the CWiki here [2]
>
> Originally it was here [3]
>
> We could add more here, or we could describe that the project is a community 
> of volunteers, etc. We could remind committers to update their details on the 
> wiki or request help with doing so.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> [1] http://communityovercode.com/
> [2] 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers
> [3] http://openoffice.apache.org/people.html
>
> [4] I don't want to restart this discussion, but this is one reason why I am 
> against having a different svn auth list for the codebase unless there is a 
> demonstrated problem. This may be done in private. If I have inexplicably 
> changed my mind later then it will be because a real security threat to the 
> AOO codebase is manifest.
>
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
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Certified DEVs

[Ian Lynch]

I noticed that LibreO has 26 Certified Developers.

http://www.documentfoundation.org/certification/developers/

While we have the concept of a committer here at AOO is there
something specific for active code developers? Would it be worth
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Re: OpenOffice

[Ian Lynch]

On 11 May 2013 17:37, Richard Keever  wrote:

> I was reading on your website that you say openoffice is easy and that you
> will take to it if you are using another program.
>
> Will, I do not like openoffice. I don't think it is that easy to use and I
> have not taken to it. I like my Word 2003 much better.
> I only have openoffice installed on my computer because my instructor
> suggested it for class.
>
> I do not want to uninstall it in case I have another class I need it for,
> but how do I disable it?
>
> Thanks,
> Rich
> kee...@yahoo.com
>

If you have not subscribed to the mailing list you will not see replies - I
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OpenOffice there is no obligation to use it. I'm guessing that your default
computer action is to open documents with OpenOffice and you want them to
open in Word and that is what you mean by disable Open Office? You need to
set the default program to open documents to be Word in your operating
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Re: HTML5 animation module for impress

[Ian Lynch]

On 23 April 2013 01:23, Galileo Teco Juárez  wrote:

> ohhh i understand
> the idea is export, an presentation impress to html5... is good idea ..
> Interesting :D -
>

Guess it also increases the focus on good SVG interoperability for Draw.

2013/4/22 Dave Fisher 
>
> >
> > On Apr 22, 2013, at 2:13 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:
> >
> > > On 22.04.2013 09:03, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> > >> Idea is pretty simple, with impress you can generate swf files with
> > >> the slides from Impress. The animation code was broken for several
> > >> ages. However, swf format has been somewhat fall on obsolecense.
> > >> However HTML5 fileformat is gaining popularity.
> > >
> > > I think HTML5 to use for showing Impress animations is a good idea.
> > Animations are encoded in SMIL (the animation part of SVG) anyway. The
> > biggest problem is probably to get a good representation of the shapes
> (ie
> > not bitmaps).  If done right the result could be better then what Impress
> > does today.
> >
> > I agree SVG is a nice subset of HTML5. Rendering to SVG is the path
> > towards ODF on any browser.
> >
> > I think that the combination of Apache Flex, OpenOffice, POI, and PDFBox
> > would be incredible. Any document on any device.
> >
> > The Apache Flex project is working on compiling Flex / ActionScript to
> > HTML5 / Javascript.
> >
> > Regards,
> > DAve
> >
> > >
> > > -Andre
> > >
> > >>
> > >> JS has some vectorial dominance on Canvas and SVG, having a JS engine
> > >> that can interprete the OpenOffice animation instruction into an JS
> > >> animation.
> > >>
> > >> Here is a Canvas animation stress test example:
> > >>
> >
> http://www.html5canvastutorials.com/labs/html5-canvas-kineticjs-animation-stress-test/
> > >>
> > >> On 4/22/13, Galileo Teco Juárez  wrote:
> > >>> how? a module, functioning in Impress, developed in HTML5?
> > >>> i did not understand the  idea  :D
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> 2013/4/21 Alexandro Colorado 
> > >>>
> >  Hi I wonder if an animation module for impress on HTML5 would be a
> >  good idea for GSoC. Something similar to Prezi, but on a more
> >  traditional Impress style. There is the CSS2 'screen' or
> presentation
> >  style which can get regular presentations and slide from one to the
> >  next. However a JS powered animation would be powerful enough to
> >  rebind the most standard animations like the typing, floating text,
> >  and even 3D transitioning.
> > 
> > 
> >  --
> >  Alexandro Colorado
> >  Apache OpenOffice Contributor
> >  http://es.openoffice.org
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > >>>
> > >>> --
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> > >>> *Web:* http://80bits.wordpress.com
> > >>> *Twitter:* @genitalico 
> > >>> *Linkedin:*
> > http://mx.linkedin.com/pub/galileo-teco-ju%C3%A1rez/30/690/797
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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Re: OpenOffice Community Survey

[Ian Lynch]

On 11 April 2013 13:21, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:58 AM, Roberto Galoppini <
> roberto.galopp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think we should try to make a survey that would help us to figure
> > out the Net Promoter score, a customer loyalty metric ranging from
> > -100% (everybody is a detractor) to +100% (everybody is a promoter).
> >
> >
> I can add that.  But remember, I was thinking initially of a survey of just
> the core community, e.g., those on the mailing lists.  So I hope we are all
> "promoters".  I'm hoping to use this survey to test out LimeSurvey and make
> sure it is suitable for a broader survey of users.
>
> -Rob
>

Do you want contributions for potential questions?

eg What do you consider to be the greatest threat to AOO?

What do you consider is AOO's strongest feature?

What is your biggest issue when using AOO?

 Do you use other productivity tools as well as AOO?

If so which and why?



>
>
>
> > Roberto
> >
> > 2013/4/11 Stan Helton :
> > >
> > > On 4/10/2013 5:40 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'd like to start moving ahead toward a user survey.   I have an
> > >> installation of LimeSurvey setup on my server and am learning how to
> use
> > >> it.
> > >>
> > >> Before going live with a survey of thousands of users I'd like to do
> an
> > >> end-to-end test by having a simple survey of us, members of the
> > OpenOffice
> > >> project.
> > >>
> > >> I have some ideas for questions, things like:
> > >>
> > >> 1) How long have you been using OpenOffice?
> > >>
> > >> 2) How long have you been involved with the OpenOffice project?
> > >>
> > >> and so on.
> > >>
> > >> But I want to check to see if anyone has some other interesting
> > questions
> > >> you think we should ask?
> > >>
> > >> Remember, this is a community survey, not a survey of users.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> -Rob
> > >>
> > > Rob,
> > >
> > > For the final version it might be well to include a few questions about
> > how
> > > OpenOffice is used:
> > >
> > > 1) Do you used OpenOffice in your home or business or both?
> > > 2) What features do you find most useful?
> > > 3) If you could add one feature what would it be?
> > >
> > > Stan
> > >
> > > --
> > > Courtesy is the grease that keeps the wheels of civilization turning.
> > Robert
> > > Heinlein
> > >
> > > -
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Re: Furious

[Ian Lynch]

On 6 March 2013 16:14, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Joshua Mills
> >  wrote:
> > > Your website is as impossible to navigate as your programme. You've put
> > in
> > > a feature that is INFURIATING and has cost me a working afternoon. Give
> > me
> > > the email address of someone I can speak to as soon as possible
> please. I
> > > am absolutely livid.
> >
>
> This looks like spam.


Yes, could be I wasn't 100% sure when I moderated it so I let it through
just in case. Sorry if it is, just very busy at the moment :-(


> > Hello Joshua,
> >
> > I'm sorry to hear that you have run into difficulties.   If you want
> > to report the details, you have three basic options:
> >
> > 1) Send them to this mailing list, dev@openoffice.apache.org. All of
> > the programmers on the project are here.
> >
> > 2) If you have a specific bug to report you can put it in our Bugzilla
> > issue tracker here: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/
> >
> > 3) If it is more in the nature of a technical support question you can
> > discuss it on our community support forums here;
> > http://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

[Ian Lynch]

On 19 January 2013 11:04, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>> That dies
>> of course rely on having at least a significant minority of drug free
>> competitors!
>>
>> :-)
>
> I think you pasted your reply into the wrong GMail compose window. Or,
> I´m beginning to lose track of where this thread is going. ;)

Just replying to Louis :-). Back on topic. There are two things that
will decide what happens in terms of future development. One is what
the developers decide to put their time to and the other is what the
community as a whole thinks is important rather than individual
preferences. My view is that it is best to drive development in the
light of what most people will need in a few years time because it
will take a few years to get there. Skate to where the puck will be
rather than where it is or has been.
>
> FC
>
>
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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

[Ian Lynch]

On 18 January 2013 22:16, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>
> On 13-01-18, at 15:48 , Ian Lynch  wrote:
>
>> On 18 January 2013 17:41, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It wasnt an edition more like a mode, you did $ soffice -net and you can
>>>> have variou users conenected, there was a pertner that even did some Active
>>>> Directory authentication.
>>>> http://openofficetechnology.com/products/OpenOffice-Enterprise
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm happy this option is being discussed/brought up here. Some older
>>> documentation still references this "-net" option in basically two
>>> different approaches.
>>>
>>> The first one is just using a central server install area to install to
>>> many desktops (multi-user installation):
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup_guide/mu_install.html
>>>
>>> The second bit of information covers what we seem to be discussing here
>>> (network installation, one"runnable" copy, indiviudal user options):
>>>
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/installation/proposals/netinstall.html
>>>
>>> We've had  few queries about OpenOffice for large installations -- like
>>> 1000+ end-users.  A true "network" type approach might be valuable for them.
>>
>> Without easy set up on many clients we can forget the schools market.
>> The easier it is to access without having specialist technical support
>> the more likely mass take up. Here in the UK there are about 3500 high
>> schools with an average of about 800 users each. Similar number but
>> more fragmented in primary schools. There is a big shift taking place
>> to mobile technologies and a great opportunity. However, schools want
>> to support mobile technologies, byod, flipped classrooms etc, the
>> innovator/early adopters are not going to simply substitute one
>> desktop office suite for another. What they want is software that
>> supports their new way of working and things like collaborative
>> spreadsheets where several people can work on the same model
>> concurrently have significant educational advantage. Actually it has
>> business advantage too - I regularly share models like this in Google
>> with colleagues in several other countries. Desktop Excel and Calc are
>> simply not an option.
>
> I'm working on this and others are too. Others include some very good others. 
> I'm the management type and the community coordinator type.
>
> But what Ian says is true. (Unlike everything else he says—no, I mean that 
> about Lance!)

Just to say I have evidence of being genuine on the Lance front :-) I
was a member of the first random out of competition drug testing for
powerlifters in the UK. We got the competitors to test other
competitors so there was no incentive to condone the abuse. That dies
of course rely on having at least a significant minority of drug free
competitors!

:-)


>
> Cheers
> louis
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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

[Ian Lynch]

On 18 January 2013 17:41, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Alexandro Colorado  wrote:
>
>>  It wasnt an edition more like a mode, you did $ soffice -net and you can
>> have variou users conenected, there was a pertner that even did some Active
>> Directory authentication.
>> http://openofficetechnology.com/products/OpenOffice-Enterprise
>>
>>
>>
> I'm happy this option is being discussed/brought up here. Some older
> documentation still references this "-net" option in basically two
> different approaches.
>
> The first one is just using a central server install area to install to
> many desktops (multi-user installation):
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/docs/setup_guide/mu_install.html
>
> The second bit of information covers what we seem to be discussing here
> (network installation, one"runnable" copy, indiviudal user options):
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/installation/proposals/netinstall.html
>
> We've had  few queries about OpenOffice for large installations -- like
> 1000+ end-users.  A true "network" type approach might be valuable for them.

Without easy set up on many clients we can forget the schools market.
The easier it is to access without having specialist technical support
the more likely mass take up. Here in the UK there are about 3500 high
schools with an average of about 800 users each. Similar number but
more fragmented in primary schools. There is a big shift taking place
to mobile technologies and a great opportunity. However, schools want
to support mobile technologies, byod, flipped classrooms etc, the
innovator/early adopters are not going to simply substitute one
desktop office suite for another. What they want is software that
supports their new way of working and things like collaborative
spreadsheets where several people can work on the same model
concurrently have significant educational advantage. Actually it has
business advantage too - I regularly share models like this in Google
with colleagues in several other countries. Desktop Excel and Calc are
simply not an option.
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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

[Ian Lynch]

On 18 January 2013 13:18, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>> What we really need is a cloud version of AOO like Google Docs.
>
> We don´t *need* ONE thing. That´s the beauty of open source, ´we´
> could do *several* things.

Well yes, but it is more efficient to do one thing that covers many
needs rather than try and do many things with not enough resource.

> I for one don´t ´need´ an AJAX / HTML5 version of AOO... GDocs is fine...

A lot of people would say yes but GDocs is not open source.
Some people would say MS Office is fine and others would say Koffice.
Question is whether or not we want a long term sustainable project for
the community or one that will get more and more marginalised.

> I personally think browser based apps are a pig, and doing apps in
> JScript is insane. I had Chrome open the other day just with GMail and
> it was using over 150 MB of RAM...

Not really a big problem with modern multi-gig computers (including
future mobile technologies). Less of a problem than stuff that only
works on one device or needs a lot of effort to port across
multi-devices, operating systems etc. To me open standards are worth
paying a bit of a price for in terms of machine resources since the
latter continue to grow and get less expensive.

> A thin client virtualized version on the other hand would use the PC´s
> CPU and horsepower and deliver great speed to even to lowest powered
> devices.

Assuming you have someone to host it for you. O a global scale that is
not trivial to do which is probably why Google with all its resources
does what it does.

> But of course, that´s going in a different direction from the current fad

Swimming against global trends is not a sensible idea when you have
very limited resources and very little time.

> FC

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Re: OpenOffice thin client edition - why not?

[Ian Lynch]

On 18 January 2013 09:16, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 5:44 AM, Joost Andrae  wrote:
>> Oracle Cloud Office cannot be compared with developments like StarPortal or
>> Sun ONE Webtop that needed office processes to run on client side. Oracle
>> Cloud Office used the ODF file format to render it by using JavaScript. OTOH
>> bulk document conversions were done by an office process on server side.
>> Oracle Cloud Office scaled far better.
>
> Joost,
>
> Very interesting information.
>
> However, I never,ever ever ever mentioned any ORCL product so I don´t
> know why you bring that up :)
>
> Personally, I´d just envisioned a way to put Apache OpenOffice on my
> Linux server and be able to acess it from my Nokia N800 tablet running
> Mer Linux and a VNC client, among other older systems, but in a
> seamless way, not running a full vnc session with Linux windows
> manager etc
>
> I also have a pair of IBM Network Stations (powerpc) that I can use as
> thin clients by booting the FreeBSD port tailored for those.

What we really need is a cloud version of AOO like Google Docs. Even
MS now realises that this is the way to go with 365. It is going to
take time but I see the emphasis shifting to on-line office tools with
an option to work off line. Given that it will take several years of
development to get something on a par with Google, unless this work
starts very soon it could well be too late. It might even be already.
If there is a standards compliant on-line suite it then is less of a
problem worrying about porting to every different mobile and desktop
device.
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Re: License information for Open Office

[Ian Lynch]

On 17 January 2013 11:49, Richard Moore IS Business Officer - SACM
Service Delivery Management  wrote:
> Hello,
> Essex libraries are investigating to install Open Office on the Peoples 
> Network machines in all libraries.
> This cover 750 public facing PC's across the county.
> Please can you inform me of the license implications of doing this?

There are no licensing implications. You are free to put Apache Open
Office (AOO) on as many computers as you want to without paying any
license fees at all. It is good for us to know how many computers are
running AOO but there are no conditions to do so on use.


> Thanks
>
> Richard Moore
> Service Asset and Configuration Management
> Information Services
>
> Essex County Council | telephone:07769 164317 | 
> email:richard.moo...@essex.gov.uk
>
> This email (including any attachments) is intended only for the recipient(s) 
> named above. It may contain confidential or privileged information and should 
> not be read, copied or otherwise used by any other person unless express 
> permission is given. If you are not a named recipient, please contact the 
> sender and delete the email from your system. It is the recipient's 
> responsibility to ensure that appropriate measures are in place to check for 
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Re: [Mwiki] New accounts by invitation only?

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On 20 November 2012 19:01, Rob Weir  wrote:

> Another option is to do a reply to all on the moderation note. This
> white lists the address for posting.


Ok, hadn't realised that.



> This is useful for cases where
> someone posts from multiple addresses but only wants to receive one
> copy of posts.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>
> > On 20 November 2012 17:06, jan iversen  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> I have just received a bit strange e-mail from a
> >> Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com
> >>
> >> with the content:
> >> May I suggest you subscribe to the dev list?
> >> To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
> >>   
> >
> > It's because I am a moderator to the list and I keep getting e-mails for
> > moderation from you. Probably because you are sending them via a
> different
> > e-mail address. It would be easier if you subscribed the e-mail addresses
> > you use regularly for the list to reduce the moderation traffic.
> >
> > When we get e-mails from non-subscribed addresses we are not sure if the
> > sender is going to see replies.
> >
> > --
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
> >> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
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> >> Wales.
> >> 
> >>
> >> Is that a person in here (in which case I will respond to him), or can
> it
> >> be an effect of the spam attacks ?, I have also being receiving a lot of
> >> spam the last 48 hours, which are not caught by gmail ??
> >>
> >> Rob:
> >> What qualification would a Wiki maintainer need ? I used to maintain our
> >> business sites, which were PHP and AJAX based, with MySql behind, it
> that
> >> would fit, it is a job which I would volunteer for.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for info about my mysterious mail.
> >> Jan I
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20 November 2012 16:57, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Dave Fisher 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:21 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:46 AM, tj  wrote:
> >>>>>> Can I get lazy consensus on requiring users to request Mwiki
> accounts
> >>> on a
> >>>>>> ML? Temporarily or permanently, I don't know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How many "real" wiki accounts do we get on a typical (no-spam) day?
> >>>>> Are we sure that the admins can handle that volume of manual account
> >>>>> requests?
> >>>>
> >>>> Managing real requests will certainly be less work than fighting
> >>> spammers.
> >>>>
> >>>> +1 to proceeding now with registration by request.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm actually for it permanently - although we should migrate to a
> >>> wiki@oo.a.o or admin@oo.a.o ML for these types of requests
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't do it permanently.  We're just avoiding the real issue --
> >>> we're not really maintaining our MWiki.  If we don't get some site
> >>> maintainer in there, to deal with upgrades, etc., the wiki will fall
> >>> over for some other reason at a future point.  When we deal with that
> >>> then we'll join the many other MWiki sites that don't require
> >>> extraordinary steps to keep spammers at bay.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe we should do a call for MWiki and phpBB admin types at some
> >>> point?  Our infrastructure needs are complex enough that this is
> >>> project sub-discipline in itself.
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Any Administrator ("sysop") can create a new user account. I will
> >>> research
> >>>>>> what change is required to block other sign-up methods.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Currently, Mwiki is under massive attack by spammers. Thanks to the
> >>> valiant
> >>>>>> efforts of volunteers Adailton, Helen russian, Pitonyak, and Yak, we
> >>> are
> >>>>>> staying even: the lifetime of spam may be a few hours, but is
> usually
> >>> only a
> >>>>>> few minutes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However, the spammers are creating new spam accounts (the pattern in
> >>> the
> >>>>>> names is quite apparent) at a rate of one every minute or two, and
> >>> 24/7. We
> >>>>>> cannot survive that kind of onslaught indefinitely.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To be continued.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> /tj/
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
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Re: [Mwiki] New accounts by invitation only?

[Ian Lynch]

On 20 November 2012 17:06, jan iversen  wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I have just received a bit strange e-mail from a
> Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com
>
> with the content:
> May I suggest you subscribe to the dev list?
> To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
>
>

It's because I am a moderator to the list and I keep getting e-mails for
moderation from you. Probably because you are sending them via a different
e-mail address. It would be easier if you subscribed the e-mail addresses
you use regularly for the list to reduce the moderation traffic.

When we get e-mails from non-subscribed addresses we are not sure if the
sender is going to see replies.

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> Ian
>
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>
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>
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> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
> Wales.
> 
>
> Is that a person in here (in which case I will respond to him), or can it
> be an effect of the spam attacks ?, I have also being receiving a lot of
> spam the last 48 hours, which are not caught by gmail ??
>
> Rob:
> What qualification would a Wiki maintainer need ? I used to maintain our
> business sites, which were PHP and AJAX based, with MySql behind, it that
> would fit, it is a job which I would volunteer for.
>
> Thanks in advance for info about my mysterious mail.
> Jan I
>
>
> On 20 November 2012 16:57, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Dave Fisher 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 6:21 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:46 AM, tj  wrote:
> > >>> Can I get lazy consensus on requiring users to request Mwiki accounts
> > on a
> > >>> ML? Temporarily or permanently, I don't know.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> How many "real" wiki accounts do we get on a typical (no-spam) day?
> > >> Are we sure that the admins can handle that volume of manual account
> > >> requests?
> > >
> > > Managing real requests will certainly be less work than fighting
> > spammers.
> > >
> > > +1 to proceeding now with registration by request.
> > >
> > > I'm actually for it permanently - although we should migrate to a
> > wiki@oo.a.o or admin@oo.a.o ML for these types of requests
> > >
> >
> > I wouldn't do it permanently.  We're just avoiding the real issue --
> > we're not really maintaining our MWiki.  If we don't get some site
> > maintainer in there, to deal with upgrades, etc., the wiki will fall
> > over for some other reason at a future point.  When we deal with that
> > then we'll join the many other MWiki sites that don't require
> > extraordinary steps to keep spammers at bay.
> >
> > Maybe we should do a call for MWiki and phpBB admin types at some
> > point?  Our infrastructure needs are complex enough that this is
> > project sub-discipline in itself.
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Any Administrator ("sysop") can create a new user account. I will
> > research
> > >>> what change is required to block other sign-up methods.
> > >>>
> > >>> Currently, Mwiki is under massive attack by spammers. Thanks to the
> > valiant
> > >>> efforts of volunteers Adailton, Helen russian, Pitonyak, and Yak, we
> > are
> > >>> staying even: the lifetime of spam may be a few hours, but is usually
> > only a
> > >>> few minutes.
> > >>>
> > >>> However, the spammers are creating new spam accounts (the pattern in
> > the
> > >>> names is quite apparent) at a rate of one every minute or two, and
> > 24/7. We
> > >>> cannot survive that kind of onslaught indefinitely.
> > >>>
> > >>> To be continued.
> > >>>
> > >>> /tj/
> > >>>
> > >
> >
>



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