Re: [SailfishDevel] Debug issue from inside the QtCreator IDE
On 10 July 2014 15:17, Iosif Hamlatzis wrote: > So no for me Linux isn't going to be my main OS. Yes, it's not perfect. I suggested multiboot because I don't have 100% Linux install either. For certain defined tasks booting into other environment is a good option. Also, when you eventually upgrade from XP to something else you need to learn new a OS in any case. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Debug issue from inside the QtCreator IDE
Have thought it, either on a different partition or even using a different disk (I've already done it once for Mac OS X. I bought the OS and created a Hackintosh on an external USB disk, the cheapest semi-legal method for developing for the iOS), even considered having a live disk and my source files and applications on a different disk. I'll resolve to this solution the moment I can no longer use WinXP. I'll have to learn the new OS and find and install applications similar to the ones I now use and have bought. --- Linux is not panacea. Unfortunately not all hardware is 100% compatible with Linux. For instance my USB camera which is skype compatible under Linux the built-in microphone doesn't work. There are days I work from home so skype is a must for me, for my day job. An HP scanner that I have, has buttons that automatically scan and send to the printer or to a pdf file under Linux don't work and even my USB printer doesn't work 100%. The auto feeder doesn't work under Linux or Mac OS X, if I want to print on both sides, I have το send first the odd pages, then manually turn them over and then send the even numbered pages. --- So no for me Linux isn't going to be my main OS. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Debug issue from inside the QtCreator IDE
Iosif Hamlatzis kirjoitti Thu Jul 10 2014 09:03:33 GMT+0300 (EEST): > Let's see: Win7 home: 90euro, Win8: 90euro, a new PC running either of > these >500euro. BlackBerry Q10: 330euro, Z10: 215euro, Z30: 450euro, Did I miss something, but why don't you (dual) boot to Linux? Free and no new pc needed. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Debug issue from inside the QtCreator IDE
Iosif, although you have clearly stated not to advice to move to Linux, this is the first thing that comes to my mind when talking about developing with limited resources. Any modern Linux distribution consumes hardly as much resources as good old Windows XP and is fully supported by SailfishOS and Android SDK. Moreover, you can't develop iOS application legally without owing a copy of MacOS (I can be wrong). A little of the topic, FYI Microsoft has ended its support for Windows XP for Embedded Systems in April, that is the version that runs on ATMs, at least NCR ATMs. This version differs from Windows XP Embedded. All new NCR ATMs produced in the last few months are already equipped with Windows 7. Afaik if you continue to run Windows XP FES on your ATM you automatically fail PCI DSS certification, unless you have supplementary software products like SolidCore. Cheers Dmitriy Purgin 2014-07-10 12:03 GMT+06:00 Iosif Hamlatzis : > Just to clarify things and close the matter there. > > In my day job I work for a small family owned company, so I know what it > means to work with limited resources and tight budget. > > The only way I see developers (especially independent or hobbies) having the > latest versions is if they don't buy them and download them illegally from > torrents add to the cost the different devices you want to support the cost > hits the ceiling. > > Let's see: Win7 home: 90euro, Win8: 90euro, a new PC running either of these >>500euro. BlackBerry Q10: 330euro, Z10: 215euro, Z30: 450euro, PlayBook: > 240euro (a year a go when I bought it 500euro), iPad2: 383euro, iPhone4: > 320euro, Jolla: 350euro > > Besides the new PC and the Windows versions which I don't have, it's how > much I've spend and believe me it's not enough for a game to run on the > simulator. Recently I received an email that one of my games didn't run on > the Z10 even though there was no problem with the tablet and the Q10 or even > on the simulator and another situation that there was a problem under the > Z30. I had to go and buy these two. Similarly with iPad mini, thankfully I > borrowed from a friend. > > No the simulator is not enough. > > Finally Microsoft has only ended WinXP support for the masses. At work > because we use dedicated hardware we use WinXP embedded and like banks' ATMs > we have support from Microsoft not only for our systems, but also we have > support for our development machines running plain WinXP. > > > Anyway as I said I am only porting the company's games to various mobile > platforms and not creating dedicated apps/games for each platform, so they > are fully debugged on the PC and I only have to consider differences for the > various platforms. So far I've managed to keep the games source compatible > with the differences of each platform separated inside #ifdef/#endif blocks. > > Thank you and I won't bother you with this again. Have a good day > > ___ > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Debug issue from inside the QtCreator IDE
Just to clarify things and close the matter there. In my day job I work for a small family owned company, so I know what it means to work with limited resources and tight budget. The only way I see developers (especially independent or hobbies) having the latest versions is if they don't buy them and download them illegally from torrents add to the cost the different devices you want to support the cost hits the ceiling. Let's see: Win7 home: 90euro, Win8: 90euro, a new PC running either of these >500euro. BlackBerry Q10: 330euro, Z10: 215euro, Z30: 450euro, PlayBook: 240euro (a year a go when I bought it 500euro), iPad2: 383euro, iPhone4: 320euro, Jolla: 350euro Besides the new PC and the Windows versions which I don't have, it's how much I've spend and believe me it's not enough for a game to run on the simulator. Recently I received an email that one of my games didn't run on the Z10 even though there was no problem with the tablet and the Q10 or even on the simulator and another situation that there was a problem under the Z30. I had to go and buy these two. Similarly with iPad mini, thankfully I borrowed from a friend. No the simulator is not enough. Finally Microsoft has only ended WinXP support for the masses. At work because we use dedicated hardware we use WinXP embedded and like banks' ATMs we have support from Microsoft not only for our systems, but also we have support for our development machines running plain WinXP. Anyway as I said I am only porting the company's games to various mobile platforms and not creating dedicated apps/games for each platform, so they are fully debugged on the PC and I only have to consider differences for the various platforms. So far I've managed to keep the games source compatible with the differences of each platform separated inside #ifdef/#endif blocks. Thank you and I won't bother you with this again. Have a good day ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Debug issue from inside the QtCreator IDE
El Wednesday 09 July 2014, Iosif Hamlatzis escribió: > I had seen the supported environments but as I cannot afford to buy a new > PC just to run Windows 7 just to be able to develop for SailfishOS a mobile > environment with no market share I just ignored it. There are no words to > express my disappointment though. I understand your situation. I've been a Linux user since too long to rember, and it's not comfortable when your OS or software stack is not properly working well with others. I hope you understand too, thath for any company without a huge amount of resources, adding support for Windows XP right now, unless is easy, is an ineffective use of resources. Its market share isn't insignificant, but is lower amongst developers (who tend to like having latest versions of applications), and is not even officially supported in the standard way by Microsoft. > In my current setup I easily develop and debug on both emulator and device > for webOS (native c/c++), BadaOS and TizenOS, BlackBerry (both PlayBook and > BB10). Some of them probably started a bit before, and had to consider XP more seriously because at that time the support and the market share was good. But yeah, it's quite disturbing seeing others having the level of support you need. -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Debug issue from inside the QtCreator IDE
Thank you very much for the reply. I had seen the supported environments but as I cannot afford to buy a new PC just to run Windows 7 just to be able to develop for SailfishOS a mobile environment with no market share I just ignored it. There are no words to express my disappointment though. In my current setup I easily develop and debug on both emulator and device for webOS (native c/c++), BadaOS and TizenOS, BlackBerry (both PlayBook and BB10). I even managed to install on my HP TouchPad tablet running webOS a second partition and installed CyanogenMod 9 Android which isn't officially supported but I can debug on the device with no problem. For now I'll keep debugging on either the emulator or the device using files, besides I am just porting my games from the pre-mentioned platforms so my games are fully debugged and just have to make them compatible with SailfishOS. Since the store doesn't accept SDL applications and also there are no paid applications yet I think I have plenty of time to port them. iosif http://7cecdab4.blogspot.gr/ ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Debug issue from inside the QtCreator IDE
Yes, on win7 professional for me on emulator it works okeysh, As in it is possible to debug, but stopping has issues. tortoisedoc Von meinem iPad gesendet > Am 9.7.2014 um 16.15 schrieb Iosif Hamlatzis : > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/t6wsbj6sohyq8wd/debug.png > > > > My system is WindowsXP SP3 and I am using the QtCreator IDE to deploy my game > and hopefully debug it. > > As you can see from the screenshot (above link) the build and deploy process > succeeds (both for the emulator and the actual device). > > The problem is I cannot debug my code from inside the IDE either inside the > emulator or the actual device. When I select to debug the IDE starts building > the game, then it deploys it and then a pop-up dialogue appears requesting an > executable (executable files for Windows are .exe - .com - .cmd - .vbs - > .bat). BUT the build process doesn't produce any executable file. > > Has anyone managed under Windows (any version) to debug on the emulator or > device his/her app from inside the IDE? > > Any advice? > > thanks > > > PS > Please don't say move to Linux or Mac OS X, also don't say use command line > utilities from inside the built engine using ssh into the image. Since > SailfishOS SDK comes with utilities for Windows then every utility (including > the provided IDE) should work in full and not partially. > > ___ > SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list > To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
Re: [SailfishDevel] Debug issue from inside the QtCreator IDE
On 09.07.2014 16:15, Iosif Hamlatzis wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/t6wsbj6sohyq8wd/debug.png My system is WindowsXP SP3 and I am using the QtCreator IDE to deploy my game and hopefully debug it. As you can see from the screenshot (above link) the build and deploy process succeeds (both for the emulator and the actual device). The problem is I cannot debug my code from inside the IDE either inside the emulator or the actual device. When I select to debug the IDE starts building the game, then it deploys it and then a pop-up dialogue appears requesting an executable (executable files for Windows are .exe - .com - .cmd - .vbs - .bat). BUT the build process doesn't produce any executable file. Has anyone managed under Windows (any version) to debug on the emulator or device his/her app from inside the IDE? Debugging does not work in Windows XP, but not because of this problem. I can try to explain the problem you are seeing below in case you're interested. For Windows XP the ultimate problem is that the gdb binaries which can be found from the installdir/bin/gdb-*-meego-linux-gnu*.exe are incompatible with Windows XP and can not be run. Windows XP is not on the list of supported operating systems, which can be seen in [1]. [1] https://sailfishos.org/alpha_qt5_sdk_release_notes.html I've created a bug about running gdb in Windows XP to our bug tracker, but it's not going to get fixed any time soon. Now to the problem you're experiencing: I've understood from your earlier posts that you are working on an SDL project. This (to me) means that you've had to create a project either from scratch or you have heavily modified the default Sailfish template project. Without seeing sources, I can only guess what might be the cause for this behavior. That dialog shown in your screenshot is Qt Creator telling you that it does not know which binary to run after deployment. The basic requirements for Qt Creator to recognize the application binary are: Project template type is "app" and the executable binary is either the same as the project name or specified by the TARGET variable in the .pro file. If your project's TEMPLATE is other than app and/or you haven't specified TARGET, then Qt Creator does not know which binary it needs to run after it has deployed the project. If you don't have the TEMPLATE specified, it is by default "app". In order to debug anything, Qt Creator would need to know which binary it needs to debug. So that is the first step. Additionally it needs to run the binary on the remote device (or Emulator), so it needs to know what the remote binary will be after deployment. When it knows these, it would be able to start a debugging session, but on Windows XP it would fail at this point when launching gdb. Best regards, Juha ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
[SailfishDevel] Debug issue from inside the QtCreator IDE
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t6wsbj6sohyq8wd/debug.png My system is WindowsXP SP3 and I am using the QtCreator IDE to deploy my game and hopefully debug it. As you can see from the screenshot (above link) the build and deploy process succeeds (both for the emulator and the actual device). The problem is I cannot debug my code from inside the IDE either inside the emulator or the actual device. When I select to debug the IDE starts building the game, then it deploys it and then a pop-up dialogue appears requesting an executable (executable files for Windows are .exe - .com - .cmd - .vbs - .bat). BUT the build process doesn't produce any executable file. Has anyone managed under Windows (any version) to debug on the emulator or device his/her app from inside the IDE? Any advice? thanks PS Please don't say move to Linux or Mac OS X, also don't say use command line utilities from inside the built engine using ssh into the image. Since SailfishOS SDK comes with utilities for Windows then every utility (including the provided IDE) should work in full and not partially. ___ SailfishOS.org Devel mailing list To unsubscribe, please send a mail to devel-unsubscr...@lists.sailfishos.org
