Re: [e-smith-devinfo] procmail ofr dummies

2001-10-11 Thread Charlie Brady


On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Graeme Robinson wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Charlie Brady wrote:
> > Indeed, this seems quite reasonable behaviour. As Stephen said, "uses the
> > user-panel add-on". Hence, you should first install e-smith-userpanel.
>
> well yes, but what is it and where do I install it? There's no instruction
> in readme-procmail.html and no evidence of an rpm in Stephens' contrib
> area. If only grep worked over ftp :-)

Daniel's I believe. It's our fault really, we should keep the contrib
index up to date, but we don't (yet). Just not enough hours in the day
(yet) :-)

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] procmail ofr dummies

2001-10-11 Thread Graeme Robinson

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Charlie Brady wrote:
> Indeed, this seems quite reasonable behaviour. As Stephen said, "uses the
> user-panel add-on". Hence, you should first install e-smith-userpanel.

well yes, but what is it and where do I install it? There's no instruction
in readme-procmail.html and no evidence of an rpm in Stephens' contrib
area. If only grep worked over ftp :-)

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] procmail ofr dummies

2001-10-11 Thread Charlie Brady


On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Graeme Robinson wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, stephen noble wrote:
>
> > ftp://ftp.e-smith.org/pub/e-smith/contrib/StephenNoble/RPMS/noarch/
> > readme-procmail.html
> >
> >
> > uses the user-panel addon to help ordinary users to configure
> > procmail and make rules via a web form
>
> Stephen - I get a dependency error:
> bash-2.04$ sudo rpm -Uvh \
> /home/e-smith/files/ibays/applications/files/\
> installs/contribs/procmail/e-smith-procmail-0.1-5.noarch.rpm
> error: failed dependencies: e-smith-userpanel is needed by e-smith-procmail-0.1-5

Indeed, this seems quite reasonable behaviour. As Stephen said, "uses the
user-panel add-on". Hence, you should first install e-smith-userpanel.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] procmail ofr dummies

2001-10-11 Thread Graeme Robinson

On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, stephen noble wrote:

> ftp://ftp.e-smith.org/pub/e-smith/contrib/StephenNoble/RPMS/noarch/
> readme-procmail.html
>
>
> uses the user-panel addon to help ordinary users to configure
> procmail and make rules via a web form

Stephen - I get a dependency error:
bash-2.04$ sudo rpm -Uvh 
/home/e-smith/files/ibays/applications/files/installs/contribs/procmail/e-smith-procmail-0.1-5.noarch.rpm
error: failed dependencies: e-smith-userpanel is needed by e-smith-procmail-0.1-5



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[e-smith-devinfo] procmail ofr dummies

2001-10-11 Thread stephen noble

ftp://ftp.e-smith.org/pub/e-smith/contrib/StephenNoble/RPMS/noarch/
readme-procmail.html


uses the user-panel addon to help ordinary users to configure
procmail and make rules via a web form

suggestions for more rules in can include are welcome
such as auto-responder / vacation as per d.may howto

thanks charlie / greg for the perl lesson

regards
stephen


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[e-smith-devinfo] custom iso/cdrom [was Re: [e-smith-devinfo] blades and SMEServer updates]

2001-10-11 Thread Darrell May


Lionel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Would you care to pass on any tips on how to build SME 5.0 + updates
> onto a CDROM? Having a definitive CDROM would be very useful to me.

Thanks for the interest however for various reasons I will not be 
releasing this information or releasing updated iso images public.

This is a service I offer.  If you are interested in having a custom 
iso/cd built, please e-mail your requirements to me directly.  I've yet 
to receive a request for SME 5.0 + updates only.  Requests I do receive 
typically start with SME 5.0 + updates and then a much larger additional 
wish list follows.  I'm happy to build a custom iso/cd to meet your exact 
needs.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] blades and SMEServer updates

2001-10-11 Thread Lionel

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:04:38 -, Darrell May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>10) The above blades may be added and a custom iso built (difficult but
>I've done this) that installs an up to date, ready to go SME Server
>at install.

I've been too busy to follow any list traffic for a little while, so I'm
not up to date on the SME version of the E-Smith server. So I apologise
in advance if I'm asking any dumb questions.

Would you care to pass on any tips on how to build SME 5.0 + updates
onto a CDROM? Having a definitive CDROM would be very useful to me.

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Comments in generated config

2001-10-11 Thread Graeme Robinson

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Smith, Jeffery S (Scott) wrote:

> Perhaps another "feature" needed is a template editor. Rather than having to
> create the path in templates-custom, copy over the template, etc, it would
> be a relatively simple matter to create a perl script to automate this.

I'm guessing you envisage this editor as a 'create a custom
template/fragment' web-manager plugin as there are lots of unix editors
capable of being programmed with macros in the ways you suggest already I
believe - emacs, vi ...

My instinct is that anyone capable of understanding clearly what needs to
be done in template customisation would find it easier and faster to
direct edit.  And there is the potential to create a mess if such an
editor is accessable by someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

But that's not really an excuse not to develop it - the real test is how
useful it would be and it seems to me your idea at least has the potential
to make life easier for the e-smith developer/integrator, making the
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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Comments in generated config

2001-10-11 Thread Smith, Jeffery S \(Scott\)

> -Original Message-
> From: Darrell May [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 1:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Comments in generated config


> > /sbin/e-smith/modify-template templatepath
> 
> Just so I understand, templatepath would be the actual file 
> name right?

Yes, as in your example:

./modify-template /etc/smb.conf

So the path is the final location of the configuration file, or relative to
/etc/e-smith/templates if you prefer to think of it that way.

The fragmentname would be just that. For example:

./modify-template -f 10globals /etc/smb.conf

Or, and I somewhat prefer this syntax:

./modify-template /etc/smb.conf:10globals

Or to make the perlites fall in love:

./modify-template /etc/smb.conf::10globals

:-)


> I think this is a great idea Scott.

thanks

> The perl script could even start with a menu.
> 
> Modify Template Options:
> 
> V - View template output
> D - Display with comments and fragment names visable
> E - Edit fragment
> A - Add fragment
> S - Search template
> L - Load changes

I think if you want to make a fully menu driven mode, the first task should
be to select a template (configuration file), and then provide the options
above which are relative to a specific template. Also, the selection of
templates might include the search option as well, in order to present a
list of templates containing specified string in any fragment.

Since we're dreaming here, another useful option might be tacked onto the
"Load changes" option you suggest. I'm assuming load changes would perform
an expand-template. Sometimes that is enough, but often what is really
needed is a signal-event. If there were a database that listed templates and
the events (or actions?) that should be executed whenever the template is
updated, then load changes would be truly effective. Otherwise, I think
expand-template is not enough.

> So who's the perl wizard that will create this?

Not my forte yet, unfortunately. I'm groping my way through perl, but am
nowhere near being able to do such a thing in any kind of reasonable
timeframe. Though it would be a good learning project ;-)

I'm sure the good folks at Mitel are quite capable, but I think they have
their hands full with other tasks at the moment.

Volunteers?


Scott

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Comments in generated config

2001-10-11 Thread Darrell May


"Smith, Jeffery S (Scott)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> /sbin/e-smith/modify-template templatepath

Just so I understand, templatepath would be the actual file name right?

/sbin/e-smith/modify-template /etc/smb.conf

I think this is a great idea Scott.  The perl script could even start 
with a menu.

Modify Template Options:

V - View template output
D - Display with comments and fragment names visable
E - Edit fragment
A - Add fragment
S - Search template
L - Load changes

So who's the perl wizard that will create this?

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] blades and SMEServer updates

2001-10-11 Thread Dan York

Darrell,

> Also, is a 'How To Build a Blade' document coming?

Yep... we're working on it.  Soon...

Dan

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RE: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Comments in generated config

2001-10-11 Thread Smith, Jeffery S \(Scott\)

Perhaps another "feature" needed is a template editor. Rather than having to
create the path in templates-custom, copy over the template, etc, it would
be a relatively simple matter to create a perl script to automate this.

/sbin/e-smith/modify-template templatepath

This script could present a list of the available template fragments, from
which the user would select one, and then load the fragment into vi or pico.
After editing, if the saved file is different than the original, the
fragment would automatically be placed into templates-custom. Exit logic
could either return to the prompt, or return to the fragment list.

The editor would of course need to check for existing custom templates --
basically the same logic that goes into selecting files for template
expansion. Edit the custom template if it exists, else load the default and
save to custom. Also display any new fragments from custom.

For editing a specific fragment, a special syntax for templatepath:

templatepath:fragmentname

Or an alternate syntax:

/modify-template -f fragmentname templatepath

Another option would be to provide a grep filter in the editor:

./modify-template -s "searchstring" templatepath

This would present a list of only those fragments containing the specified
searchstring. Note that the -f option would not apply here.

Lastly, some options to check what type a template (or fragment) is, and to
restore a template (or fragment) to the default state.

Display all fragments (or the specified fragment) and indicate if it is the
default or custom:

./modify-template -t [-f fragmentname] templatepath

Delete the specified template or fragment:

./modify-template -d [-f fragmentname] templatepath

Some more search options. A -a to search all fragments in a directory, and a
-r to search recusively:

./modify-template -a -r -s "searchstring" pathname

Note that pathname in this case would be interpreted relative to
/etc/e-smith/templates.

Oh, and I suppose an option to create a new template:

./modify-template -n fragmentname templatepath

And one to "copy" one from an existing fragment:

./modify-template -c sourcepath:fragment targetpath:fragment

This modify-template editor interface would eliminate the primary need for
comments in the output (ie, finding the fragment that generates the output)
and would simplify the process of editing fragments (not really necessary to
understand the templates / templates-custom structure.)

Comments?

Scott

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Comments in generated config

2001-10-11 Thread Darrell May


Dan Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> You might be right on this, Darrell, but I don't think a user who 
> doesn't grok grep is very likely to go tinkering with templates
> either.  

Point taken.  I agree templates are best left for the experts.  But in my 
example, if comments are not found in the templated files the user is 
more likely to change smb.conf directly following the 'expert' advice of 
their database software support tech.

We all know where that will lead.

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[e-smith-devinfo] blades and SMEServer updates

2001-10-11 Thread Darrell May


I'd like to relate my experience with blades and see if I am missing 
anything.  Ok, here goes:

1) blades get downloaded into /var/cache/e-smith/blades/packages
2) blades are rpms that checks for depencies
3) blades are installed like any other rpm
4) blades are identified as being installed just like rpms
5) blades do not have to be downloaded via the server-manager Blades
   panel.  You can get them via ftp to e-smith.org directly. 
6) blades may be copied and installed to servers just like you are
   installing a standard rpm.
7) blades once installed do not have to be saved or placed in
   /var/cache/e-smith/blades/packages
8) blades installed manually correctly show up in the server-manager
   Blades panel as being installed.
9) blades do not have to be installed release 1 then release 2.

For instance, here are the current update blades:

SMEServer-5.0_Update1-04.noarch.rpm
SMEServer-5.0_Update2-07.noarch.rpm
e-smith-base-4.6.1-09.noarch.rpm
e-smith-base-4.6.1-17.noarch.rpm
e-smith-blades-1.0.0-19.noarch.rpm
e-smith-email-4.6.1-05.noarch.rpm
e-smith-lib-1.6.0-11.noarch.rpm
e-smith-mod_ssl-1.8.0-05.noarch.rpm
e-smith-release-5.0-03.noarch.rpm
e-smith-release-5.0-04.noarch.rpm
imap-4.7-1mdir8es.i386.rpm
obtuse-smtpd-2.0-29.i386.rpm

Yet you do not have to install all of these.  Just like standard rpms you 
only need to install the most current releases to bring yourself up to 
date:

e-smith-base-4.6.1-17.noarch.rpm
e-smith-blades-1.0.0-19.noarch.rpm
e-smith-email-4.6.1-05.noarch.rpm
e-smith-lib-1.6.0-11.noarch.rpm
e-smith-mod_ssl-1.8.0-05.noarch.rpm
e-smith-release-5.0-04.noarch.rpm
imap-4.7-1mdir8es.i386.rpm
obtuse-smtpd-2.0-29.i386.rpm
SMEServer-5.0_Update2-07.noarch.rpm

10) The above blades may be added and a custom iso built (difficult but
I've done this) that installs an up to date, ready to go SME Server
at install.

This is from my own testing and experience.  Did I get anything incorrect 
or am I missing any crucial blade issue?

Also, is a 'How To Build a Blade' document coming?

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Comments in generated config

2001-10-11 Thread Dan Brown

Quoting Darrell May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> The key thing to remember is your customers knowledge.  The average
> Mitel  user will not know the grep command exists.

You might be right on this, Darrell, but I don't think a user who 
doesn't grok grep is very likely to go tinkering with templates either.  
I don't have a problem with including the names of the template fragments 
in the fragments themselves, and agree it could save a little bit of 
time, but I don't think it'd make much of a positive impact.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Comments in generated config

2001-10-11 Thread Darrell May


Charlie Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> No. You didn't have to be nasty. You could have dealt with the issues we
> raised.

My apologizes Charlie and Gordon.  Let's deal with the issues raised...

> As Daniel pointed out, there will be some files for which '#'
> prefixed lines are not treated as comments.

So we could then simply 'identify' which files this is an issue with and 
not comment these files or comment in the files acceptable syntax.

> I don't know whether the "proposed standard" was intended to be
> automated, or to be a de facto standard applied by the author of each
> template fragment.

Again, if we identify what files have an issue it could be either way.  
Automated would take some work on Mitel's end.  Maybe you are moving in 
this direction.  Authored would leave the work to the author of course.  

An identified and posted list of files and their appropriate comments 
syntax would solve this issue.

File | Comment Syntax

smb.conf | # ;
httpd.conf | #
file_to_be_named | no comments permitted

The key thing to remember is your customers knowledge.  The average Mitel 
user will not know the grep command exists.  An example issue for your 
clients is they call a software vendor for support.  Their database isn't 
working right.  The software vendors determines they have an incorrect 
setting in smb.conf.  The support tells them to set 'strict locking = 
no'. The client looks at smb.conf and sees the VERY important comment at 
the top that this is a templated file.  (You are not planning on removing 
this comment are you?)  They read through the file and find strict 
locking set to yes.  They see immediately, from the commented fragment 
title that this is set in the [11strictLocking] fragment.  They now know 
what to change, where it is set and with a little more digging on e-
smith.org will figure out how to change a template fragment correctly.

One less support call for us.  One happy customer feeling good that 
he/she has solved their database problem and now has an understanding of 
template fragments.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] When does console content get regenerated?

2001-10-11 Thread Darrell May


Brad Hards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> G'day all,
> 
> I recently got a Winbond 840 based card working with e-smith 4.1.2,

I have a 'somewhat' similar HowTo:

http://myezserver.com/docs/mitel/nic-drivers-howto.html

In addition, I think your steps would be to run the console config and 
manually choose any nic card you want to perform the initial IP setup.  
Then copy the winbond-840.o into /lib/modules/x.x.x-x/net/ via floppy or 
CD.

/sbin/e-smith/config set EthernetDriver1 winbond-840
/sbin/e-smith/signal-event console-save
/sbin/ifconfig eth0 up

If you wanted to go really fancy you could build an rpm that installs the 
driver and issues the above commands.

I'd be interested to know if this works for you.

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] Re: Comments in generated config

2001-10-11 Thread Charlie Brady


On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, Darrell May wrote:

> Sorry for being nasty but I just had to ;->

No. You didn't have to be nasty. You could have dealt with the issues we
raised.

As Daniel pointed out, there will be some files for which '#'
prefixed lines are not treated as comments. In fact, there are some
templated configuration files for which there is no valid comment syntax.
Any automated addition of fragment name would need to be aware of these
issues.

I don't know whether the "proposed standard" was intended to be automated,
or to be a de facto standard applied by the author of each template
fragment. If the latter, I'd advise against it. In my experience,
incorrect comments are usually worse than no comments at all. And I've
seen very few projects where comments are always updated when they should
be.

Charlie Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Network Server Solutions Grouphttp://www.e-smith.com/
Mitel Networks Corporationhttp://www.mitel.com/
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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] root / shell access

2001-10-11 Thread Martin Warnes

Hi Joost_De_Raeymaeker!

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

PuTTY even has tunneling in the latest development snapshot

> The only reason I use something else besides PUTTY is if I want to do 
> tunneling. Putty is great and doesn't have all the quircks with keys not 
> working the way they usually do.
> 
> Joost
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> Rob Hillis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 11-10-2001 14:18
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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc: 
> Subject:Re: [e-smith-devinfo] root / shell access
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> 
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:09, John Powell wrote:
> 
> 
> Personally, I can't see much reason to go past PuTTY... it's a small, 
> single 
> file (unusual for a Windows program) which does a better terminal 
> emulation 
> job than any other SSH client that I've tried...
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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] root / shell access

2001-10-11 Thread Joost_De_Raeymaeker

The only reason I use something else besides PUTTY is if I want to do 
tunneling. Putty is great and doesn't have all the quircks with keys not 
working the way they usually do.

Joost




Rob Hillis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11-10-2001 14:18

 
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject:Re: [e-smith-devinfo] root / shell access


On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:09, John Powell wrote:


Personally, I can't see much reason to go past PuTTY... it's a small, 
single 
file (unusual for a Windows program) which does a better terminal 
emulation 
job than any other SSH client that I've tried...

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Re: [e-smith-devinfo] root / shell access

2001-10-11 Thread Rob Hillis

On Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:09, John Powell wrote:

> As far as SSH clients.  I use SecureCRT when coming in from a Windows box.
> I love it.  Others have high praise for Putty, haven't used it personally
> though.  I am not sure what super-advanced Telnet clients you are referring
> to, but I find it hard to grasp what they have over SecureCRT and other
> solid SSH clients.

Personally, I can't see much reason to go past PuTTY... it's a small, single 
file (unusual for a Windows program) which does a better terminal emulation 
job than any other SSH client that I've tried...

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[e-smith-devinfo] When does console content get regenerated?

2001-10-11 Thread Brad Hards

G'day all,

I recently got a Winbond 840 based card working with e-smith 4.1.2, and have
made some notes that I would like to turn into a HOWTO eventually. Basically I
added the driver to the modules directory and edited the pcitable file. I
didn't expect to have to reboot twice though. 

Can someone explain when the list of ethernet drivers in the console gets
regenerated, and if there is an easier way to get it updated than rebooting?

Brad

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Introduction
I recently bought a TRENDnet TW100-S4PCI four port switch card. For
those not familiar with the hardware, it is a PCI card with a five
port switch built into it. One of the switch ports is connected to a
Winbond W89C840 10/100Mbps ethernet chip, and the other four ports are
available on the outside of the PCI card. Probably a pretty useful
card for a small office setup.
The outside of the box says "Compatible with Major Network Operating
Systems", so I knew it'd be supported by Linux :-)

Problem Statement
The switch functionality worked fine. Unfortunately the Winbond 
W89C840 PCI ethernet adapter
wasn't recognised by e-smith 4.1.2 (nor with 5.0, but I wanted to
stick with 4.1.2 in any case).

Fix
1. Download the drivers from Trendnet's web site 
(http://www.trendware.com/downloads/_downloads.htm, and work through
the dialogs). Extract the zip file.
2. The file you need is called winbond-840.o. Copy it into
/lib/modules/2.2.16-22/net/ on the e-smith server.
3. Open /usr/share/kudzu/pcitable, and scroll down until you find the
line with vendor ID 0x1050 and product ID 0x0840 (they are the first
two columns). You should see a description of the card on the right
hand side. Change the "unknown" to "winbond-840".
4. Reboot
5. Run through the console configuration, and you should be given the
option of selecting this card. Obviously you need to select it at this
point.
6. You will need to reboot again.
7. You now have network connectivity on that card :)

Caveats and Limitations
A. This probably only works with uP.
B. You would probably need to find another source of the driver to
make it work on e-smith 5.0, although a simple recompile of the source
code (winbond-840.c) provided in the TRENDnet download would be
enough.

Questions or Feedback
Contact Brad Hards ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) with any questions or
suggestions on this HOWTO.

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