Re: [digitalradio] MultiPSK and ALE141A

2009-01-15 Thread Rick W
Hi John,

Tried the calls plus HFN and QRZ but the band is closed from SW WI at 
0400Z.

73,

Rick, KV9U


John Bradley wrote:
>
> for those of you who may be interested, VE5GPM and VE5MU are currently 
> on 14111.0 USB running 141A found on MultiPSK
>
> Please try and transfer small text files (under 3K) to either of these 
> stations. They are both programmed to respond to either a HFN or QRZ 
> call, so will respond to your sounding.
>
> The idea is to step beyond sending 1 line messages , and into an area 
> that might have practical applications, especially if we could 
> convince Patrick to
>
> add some “store and forward” ability.
>
> Under reasonable conditions a 1K file can transfer in under 3 minutes. 
> Both stations are running TS480SAT transceivers at about 75 watts.
>
> John
>
> VE5MU
>
> 
> 
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1895 - Release Date: 1/15/2009 
> 7:46 AM
>
>   




Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at
http://www.obriensweb.com/sked



Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/

<*> Your email settings:
Individual Email | Traditional

<*> To change settings online go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join
(Yahoo! ID required)

<*> To change settings via email:
mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/



[digitalradio] MultiPSK and ALE141A

2009-01-15 Thread John Bradley
 for those of you who may be interested, VE5GPM and VE5MU are currently on
14111.0  USB running 141A found on MultiPSK

 

Please try and transfer small text files (under 3K) to either of these
stations. They are both programmed to respond to either a HFN or QRZ call,
so will respond to your sounding. 

 

The idea is to step beyond sending 1 line messages , and into an area that
might have practical applications, especially if we could convince Patrick
to

add some "store and forward" ability.

 

Under reasonable conditions a 1K file can transfer in under 3 minutes. Both
stations are running TS480SAT transceivers at about 75 watts. 

 

John

VE5MU



[digitalradio] New to the Group

2009-01-15 Thread clarkmvimi
Good day.  I am new to the group and digital modes.  My name is Steve
Clark V73CS and I am located in the Marshall Islands.  I am wanting to
setup a digital station here.  I have someone sending me an AEA 232
MBX for my station here.  I was wondering about software for it and
what other TNC/interface would be recomended for a beginner to setup a
digital station.  Thanks in advance for the bandwidth and have a great
day.

73
Steve Clark
V73CS/N4TKP
Majuro, Marshall Islands



[digitalradio] MFTTY Path Simulaitons

2009-01-15 Thread Tony
All, 

It's good to see the enthusiasm about MFTTY. It has a nifty GUI and its easy to 
use. A few have mentioned a lack of lack of sensitivity and that does seem to 
be the case. But I think it's safe to say that we don't always need to bring an 
elephant gun to a turkey shoot ;  ). 

For what it's worth, and with all due respect to the author, I've tested MFTTY 
with an HF path simulator and it is less sensitive and less robust than say 
PSK31. On air tests seem to show that the mode performs well with low power 
under quiet conditions. 

Many thanks to Norbert and those like him who give us the opportunity to 
experiment and play with new modes. If it wasn't for them, we'd still be 
lugging those heavy RTTY machines into the shack ;  ). 

Tony -K2MO


Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

2009-01-15 Thread Siegfried Jackstien
100%agree
dg9bfc
sigi
  - Original Message - 
  From: Steinar Aanesland 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145




  Well, I don't see the problem if the "Tower of Babel is getting larger
  and larger". I think diversity is crucial to innovation. 
  I find it satisfactory to play with new modes, and I have to play with
  them to find out " what the
  advantages are (..) over previous modes" .

  My thanks to all of you guys who is working making free software for the
  ham community .

  73 de LA5VNA Steinar

  Rick W wrote:
  > Is it just possible that there is not that much interest in the mode? I 
  > did download the software yesterday and tried setting it up but I was 
  > not able to get the RTS line keying the rig. I was able to listen to the 
  > tones and it does appear to be DTMF tones.
  >
  > The question is ... why have yet another mode, unless it has some new 
  > capabilities over what we already have? I think that some of us are 
  > getting a bit concerned that the Tower of Babel is getting larger and 
  > larger, and the result is not necessarily better digital communications, 
  > but just more separate communications which reduces our interoperability.
  >
  > Would it not be better to use this tremendous energy and knowledge to 
  > further the radio art and develop low cost technologies that work better 
  > and faster and most importantly, adaptable to conditions?
  >
  > If some feel that I am being unfair, then could you please explain what 
  > the advantages are of this mode over previous modes?
  >
  > 73,
  >
  > Rick, KV9U
  >
  >
  > F.R. Ashley wrote:
  > 
  >> *I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once 
  >> gotten a response or even heard an MFTTY station. Where is everyone 
  >> hiding?*
  >> *I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded 
  >> there with PSK and all. I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no 
  >> luck there either.*
  >> ** 
  >> *Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode?*
  >> ** 
  >> *73 Buddy WB4M*
  >> 
  >
  >
  > 
  > --
  >
  >
  > No virus found in this incoming message.
  > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
  > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1894 - Release Date: 14.01.2009 
19:27
  >
  > 



   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

2009-01-15 Thread Siegfried Jackstien
100%agree
dg9bfc
sigi
  - Original Message - 
  From: kh6ty 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145


  There is always a search for a "Holy Grail" of digital modes for ham radio, 
  with ease of use, performance, robustness, resistance to atmospheric 
  doppler, bandwidth, speed, FUN, etc!

  Personally, I just like the musical sound of MFTTY and appreciate the 
  uniqueness of Norbert's approach. Once the user friendliness gets ironed 
  out, I look forward to being able to find people using the mode often. MFTTY 
  is easily distinguishable from other modes - it sounds a little like Throb 
  perhaps, but not idential, so I do not think it is so much a "different 
  tongue" on the Tower of Babel that is difficult to distinguish on the 
  waterfall presentation, as some of the flavors of Olivia and DominoEx are.

  Other opinions may vary, of course, but my opinion is that I just ENJOY 
  using the mode. It probably will never be as popular as PSK31 for chatting, 
  but it definitely is FUN in my persoanl opinion! (I am one of those old guys 
  who started with a green key machine on RTTY and miss the clatter and smell 
  of the machine oil - but I also appreciate the progress in performance, 
  convenience, and friendliness of the soundcard modes).

  Let's all play with MFTTY and send Norbert our comments and suggestions. It 
  might turn out to be more than it appears at first glance. One thing is for 
  sure, Norbert has done a very complete and respectable job on these initial 
  beta implementations!

  73, Skip KH6TY

  - Original Message - 
  From: "Steinar Aanesland" 
  To: 
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

  >
  >
  > Well, I don't see the problem if the "Tower of Babel is getting larger
  > and larger". I think diversity is crucial to innovation.
  > I find it satisfactory to play with new modes, and I have to play with
  > them to find out " what the
  > advantages are (..) over previous modes" .
  >
  > My thanks to all of you guys who is working making free software for the
  > ham community .
  >
  > 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
  >
  >
  > Rick W wrote:
  >> Is it just possible that there is not that much interest in the mode? I
  >> did download the software yesterday and tried setting it up but I was
  >> not able to get the RTS line keying the rig. I was able to listen to the
  >> tones and it does appear to be DTMF tones.
  >>
  >> The question is ... why have yet another mode, unless it has some new
  >> capabilities over what we already have? I think that some of us are
  >> getting a bit concerned that the Tower of Babel is getting larger and
  >> larger, and the result is not necessarily better digital communications,
  >> but just more separate communications which reduces our interoperability.
  >>
  >> Would it not be better to use this tremendous energy and knowledge to
  >> further the radio art and develop low cost technologies that work better
  >> and faster and most importantly, adaptable to conditions?
  >>
  >> If some feel that I am being unfair, then could you please explain what
  >> the advantages are of this mode over previous modes?
  >>
  >> 73,
  >>
  >> Rick, KV9U
  >>
  >>
  >> F.R. Ashley wrote:
  >>
  >>> *I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once
  >>> gotten a response or even heard an MFTTY station. Where is everyone
  >>> hiding?*
  >>> *I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded
  >>> there with PSK and all. I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no
  >>> luck there either.*
  >>> **
  >>> *Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode?*
  >>> **
  >>> *73 Buddy WB4M*
  >>>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> --
  >>
  >>
  >> No virus found in this incoming message.
  >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
  >> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1894 - Release Date: 
  >> 14.01.2009 19:27
  >>
  >>
  >
  >
  >
  > Internal Virus Database is out of date.
  > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
  > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1785 - Release Date: 11/13/2008 
  > 9:12 AM
  >
  > 



   

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

2009-01-15 Thread Siegfried Jackstien
dear rick
conventional dtmf does need a very good s/n ratio BUT
in mftty there are slower modes with much less shift and very narrow filters
so you can pick up a very low signal out of the noise
you know surely if bandwith is getting lower the s/n increases
i tested the soft "off-air" and i could detect a signal with my pc mic in front 
of pc speaker
that i could not detect by ear ... and i had some background noise during the 
test cause my girlfriend was watching tv :-)
i know that this is not a real test like testing it on the air but i am sure it 
will work for weak signals
greetz
dg9bfc
sigi
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick W 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145


  DTMF tones are easy to distinguish for us OT's. Maybe not so easy for 
  new digital hams, but and that might be a useful characteristic as long 
  as it can compete well against the existing modes of which we have many, 
  some with not that much difference in performance.

  A couple days ago I started working on a new document that looked at the 
  various digital modes, particularly the sound card modes, to put some 
  kind of perspective for hams new to digital modes. But after working on 
  this for a while, I realized that there were only a few that do work 
  well in terms of speed vs ISI vs Doppler, vs weak signal, vs bandwidth, 
  etc., so it is nearly a moot point. And even though some modes are 
  superior to other modes under some conditions, if no one uses them, then 
  no matter how good they may be, it won't matter.

  Over the past few years, we have seen a new mode come along, get a lot 
  of comments on groups like this one to try and coordinate with other 
  hams, sometimes successfully and sometimes not. But after a few weeks, 
  it dies down and you never hear much again.

  If I understand Patrick, F6CTE's critique of his implementation of DTMF, 
  which has been in Multipsk for some time, this is not a weak signal mode 
  and requires signals to be well above zero dB S/N. Or is this 
  implementation that much different?

  I sure do not miss the green keys and my Model 15 TTY and homebrew TU 
  and loop supply. I am totally sold on computer generated digital modes, 
  especially the sound card modes that avoid vendor lock in and special 
  hardware.

  73,

  Rick, KV9U

  kh6ty wrote:
  > There is always a search for a "Holy Grail" of digital modes for ham radio, 
  > with ease of use, performance, robustness, resistance to atmospheric 
  > doppler, bandwidth, speed, FUN, etc!
  >
  > Personally, I just like the musical sound of MFTTY and appreciate the 
  > uniqueness of Norbert's approach. Once the user friendliness gets ironed 
  > out, I look forward to being able to find people using the mode often. 
MFTTY 
  > is easily distinguishable from other modes - it sounds a little like Throb 
  > perhaps, but not idential, so I do not think it is so much a "different 
  > tongue" on the Tower of Babel that is difficult to distinguish on the 
  > waterfall presentation, as some of the flavors of Olivia and DominoEx are.
  >
  > Other opinions may vary, of course, but my opinion is that I just ENJOY 
  > using the mode. It probably will never be as popular as PSK31 for chatting, 
  > but it definitely is FUN in my persoanl opinion! (I am one of those old 
guys 
  > who started with a green key machine on RTTY and miss the clatter and smell 
  > of the machine oil - but I also appreciate the progress in performance, 
  > convenience, and friendliness of the soundcard modes).
  >
  > Let's all play with MFTTY and send Norbert our comments and suggestions. It 
  > might turn out to be more than it appears at first glance. One thing is for 
  > sure, Norbert has done a very complete and respectable job on these initial 
  > beta implementations!
  >
  > 73, Skip KH6TY
  >
  > 



   

[digitalradio] Update on FT-450 problems

2009-01-15 Thread Sholto Fisher
I know this is probably a bit off topic here but just thought I would 
update you on using my FT-450 on digital modes.

As Bonnie pointed out, from this graph ...
http://www.projectsandparts.com/misc/ft-450tx.gif

... you can see that the published FT-450 Transmitter Specifications: 
"Audio Response (SSB): Not more than -6dB from 400 to 2600Hz" is nowhere 
near my measured results. This was using a Sound Blaster Audigy 2ZS and 
Signalink SL-1+ interface (which have been in regular use with other 
rigs for 3+ years without problem)

After contacting Yaesu a 3rd time and asking their engineer to look at 
this graph again their final response is this:

"Sholto:
At this point if you believe your radio is not up to specs to analyze it
properly.  I repeat that the information you sent does not indicate a
problem.

73
(name witheld)
Amateur Radio Technical Support"


Regardless of whether there really is a problem with this rig or not if 
a Yaesu engineer cannot ascertain that a roll off of more than -26dB 
within the stated passband is greater than the published -6dB 
specifications then there is no realistic hope of asking them to fix it.

I doubt I will ever buy Yaesu again.

73

Sholto
KE7HPV



[digitalradio] For any one testing MFTTY or looking at testing it

2009-01-15 Thread Russell Blair
A new version .046 and some more updates.

Russell

   = 
IN GOD WE TRUST ! 
= 
Russell Blair (NC5O)  Skype-Russell.Blair  Hell Field #300  DRCC #55  30m 
Dig-group #693


  


Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

2009-01-15 Thread Rick W
DTMF tones are easy to distinguish for us OT's. Maybe not so easy for 
new digital hams, but and that might be a useful characteristic as long 
as it can compete well against the existing modes of which we have many, 
some with not that much difference in performance.

A couple days ago I started working on a new document that looked at the 
various digital modes, particularly the sound card modes, to put some 
kind of perspective for hams new to digital modes. But after working on 
this for a while, I realized that there were only a few that do work 
well in terms of speed vs ISI vs Doppler, vs weak signal, vs bandwidth, 
etc., so it is nearly a moot point. And even though some modes are 
superior to other modes under some conditions, if no one uses them, then 
no matter how good they may be, it won't matter.

Over the past few years, we have seen a new mode come along, get a lot 
of comments on groups like this one to try and coordinate with other 
hams, sometimes successfully and sometimes not. But after a few weeks, 
it dies down and you never hear much again.

If I understand Patrick, F6CTE's critique of his implementation of DTMF, 
which has been in Multipsk for some time, this is not a weak signal mode 
and requires signals to be well above zero dB S/N. Or is this 
implementation that much different?

I sure do not miss the green keys and my Model 15 TTY and homebrew TU 
and loop supply. I am totally sold on computer generated digital modes, 
especially the sound card modes that avoid vendor lock in and special 
hardware.

73,

Rick, KV9U







kh6ty wrote:
> There is always a search for a "Holy Grail" of digital modes for ham radio, 
> with ease of use, performance, robustness, resistance to atmospheric 
> doppler, bandwidth, speed, FUN, etc!
>
> Personally, I just like the musical sound of MFTTY and appreciate the 
> uniqueness of Norbert's approach. Once the user friendliness gets ironed 
> out, I look forward to being able to find people using the mode often. MFTTY 
> is easily distinguishable from other modes - it sounds a little like Throb 
> perhaps, but not idential, so I do not think it is so much a "different 
> tongue" on the Tower of Babel that is difficult to distinguish on the 
> waterfall presentation, as some of the flavors of Olivia and DominoEx are.
>
> Other opinions may vary, of course, but my opinion is that I just ENJOY 
> using the mode. It probably will never be as popular as PSK31 for chatting, 
> but it definitely is FUN in my persoanl opinion! (I am one of those old guys 
> who started with a green key machine on RTTY and miss the clatter and smell 
> of the machine oil - but I also appreciate the progress in performance, 
> convenience, and friendliness of the soundcard modes).
>
> Let's all play with MFTTY and send Norbert our comments and suggestions. It 
> might turn out to be more than it appears at first glance. One thing is for 
> sure, Norbert has done a very complete and respectable job on these initial 
> beta implementations!
>
> 73, Skip KH6TY
>
>   



Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

2009-01-15 Thread kh6ty
There is always a search for a "Holy Grail" of digital modes for ham radio, 
with ease of use, performance, robustness, resistance to atmospheric 
doppler, bandwidth, speed, FUN, etc!

Personally, I just like the musical sound of MFTTY and appreciate the 
uniqueness of Norbert's approach. Once the user friendliness gets ironed 
out, I look forward to being able to find people using the mode often. MFTTY 
is easily distinguishable from other modes - it sounds a little like Throb 
perhaps, but not idential, so I do not think it is so much a "different 
tongue" on the Tower of Babel that is difficult to distinguish on the 
waterfall presentation, as some of the flavors of Olivia and DominoEx are.

Other opinions may vary, of course, but my opinion is that I just ENJOY 
using the mode. It probably will never be as popular as PSK31 for chatting, 
but it definitely is FUN in my persoanl opinion! (I am one of those old guys 
who started with a green key machine on RTTY and miss the clatter and smell 
of the machine oil - but I also appreciate the progress in performance, 
convenience, and friendliness of the soundcard modes).

Let's all play with MFTTY and send Norbert our comments and suggestions. It 
might turn out to be more than it appears at first glance. One thing is for 
sure, Norbert has done a very complete and respectable job on these initial 
beta implementations!

73, Skip KH6TY

- Original Message - 
From: "Steinar Aanesland" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145


>
>
> Well,   I don't see the problem if the "Tower of Babel is getting larger
> and larger". I think diversity is crucial to innovation.
> I find it satisfactory to play with new modes, and I have to play with
> them to find out " what the
> advantages are (..) over previous modes" .
>
> My thanks to all of you guys who is working making free software for the
> ham community .
>
> 73 de LA5VNA Steinar
>
>
> Rick W wrote:
>> Is it just possible that there is not that much interest in the mode? I
>> did download the software yesterday and tried setting it up but I was
>> not able to get the RTS line keying the rig. I was able to listen to the
>> tones and it does appear to be DTMF tones.
>>
>> The question is ... why have yet another mode, unless it has some new
>> capabilities over what we already have? I think that some of us are
>> getting a bit concerned that the Tower of Babel is getting larger and
>> larger, and the result is not necessarily better digital communications,
>> but just more separate communications which reduces our interoperability.
>>
>> Would it not be better to use this tremendous energy and knowledge to
>> further the radio art and develop low cost technologies that work better
>> and faster and most importantly, adaptable to conditions?
>>
>> If some feel that I am being unfair, then could you please explain what
>> the advantages are of this mode over previous modes?
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Rick, KV9U
>>
>>
>> F.R. Ashley wrote:
>>
>>> *I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once
>>> gotten a response or even heard an MFTTY station.  Where is everyone
>>> hiding?*
>>> *I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded
>>> there with PSK and all.  I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no
>>> luck there either.*
>>> **
>>> *Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode?*
>>> **
>>> *73 Buddy WB4M*
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1894 - Release Date: 
>> 14.01.2009 19:27
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Internal Virus Database is out of date.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1785 - Release Date: 11/13/2008 
> 9:12 AM
>
> 



Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

2009-01-15 Thread Steinar Aanesland


Well,   I don't see the problem if the "Tower of Babel is getting larger
and larger". I think diversity is crucial to innovation. 
I find it satisfactory to play with new modes, and I have to play with
them to find out " what the
advantages are (..) over previous modes" .

My thanks to all of you guys who is working making free software for the
ham community .

73 de LA5VNA Steinar


Rick W wrote:
> Is it just possible that there is not that much interest in the mode? I 
> did download the software yesterday and tried setting it up but I was 
> not able to get the RTS line keying the rig. I was able to listen to the 
> tones and it does appear to be DTMF tones.
>
> The question is ... why have yet another mode, unless it has some new 
> capabilities over what we already have? I think that some of us are 
> getting a bit concerned that the Tower of Babel is getting larger and 
> larger, and the result is not necessarily better digital communications, 
> but just more separate communications which reduces our interoperability.
>
> Would it not be better to use this tremendous energy and knowledge to 
> further the radio art and develop low cost technologies that work better 
> and faster and most importantly, adaptable to conditions?
>
> If some feel that I am being unfair, then could you please explain what 
> the advantages are of this mode over previous modes?
>
> 73,
>
> Rick, KV9U
>
>
> F.R. Ashley wrote:
>   
>> *I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once 
>> gotten a response or even heard an MFTTY station.  Where is everyone 
>> hiding?*
>> *I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded 
>> there with PSK and all.  I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no 
>> luck there either.*
>> ** 
>> *Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode?*
>> ** 
>> *73 Buddy WB4M*
>> 
>
>
>   
> 
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.7/1894 - Release Date: 14.01.2009 
> 19:27
>
>   



[digitalradio] Resolving HF Noise Issues

2009-01-15 Thread James - KB7TBT
Many folks have run into the same issue that I have in the past. The cheep 
commercial networking routers and cable modems will create tons of noise on the 
HF bands. We simply created a Faraday Cage and placed all the gear inside and 
mounted it under the house. 
The network gear consists of 1 Cable Modem, 1 Netgear router and 1 Airlink 
wireless router configured as a glorified gateway.

http://www.kb7tbt.com/pix/faradaycage

These photos are of my friend Sean KE7CDE working on the Faraday Cage and 
Ground.

James 
KB7TBT
www.kb7tbt.com
www.ne4ga.org
www.myspace.com/kb7tbt



Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

2009-01-15 Thread Rick W
Is it just possible that there is not that much interest in the mode? I 
did download the software yesterday and tried setting it up but I was 
not able to get the RTS line keying the rig. I was able to listen to the 
tones and it does appear to be DTMF tones.

The question is ... why have yet another mode, unless it has some new 
capabilities over what we already have? I think that some of us are 
getting a bit concerned that the Tower of Babel is getting larger and 
larger, and the result is not necessarily better digital communications, 
but just more separate communications which reduces our interoperability.

Would it not be better to use this tremendous energy and knowledge to 
further the radio art and develop low cost technologies that work better 
and faster and most importantly, adaptable to conditions?

If some feel that I am being unfair, then could you please explain what 
the advantages are of this mode over previous modes?

73,

Rick, KV9U


F.R. Ashley wrote:
> *I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once 
> gotten a response or even heard an MFTTY station.  Where is everyone 
> hiding?*
> *I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded 
> there with PSK and all.  I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no 
> luck there either.*
> ** 
> *Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode?*
> ** 
> *73 Buddy WB4M*



Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

2009-01-15 Thread Siegfried Jackstien
dear howard
answers are intermitted in your txt


To All,

I did download the new release and found a couple of things.

Pressing the Appointments button takes me to K3UK's page but there's no way to
post comments or log in.

If I instead go to my "Favorites" and select the page, I can log in and post 
comments, etc.


 i dropped a mail to norbert that the link has to be changed

Also, I've been running in HALF setting.  Has anyone tried the other settings: 
Double or 1/4?
I tried Normal and found garbage on the screen with no success in cleaning it 
up, operator
error possibility not withstanding.

 i tested the software with my pc mic laying in front of my pc speaker with
 different speed settings . all worked fine



Is there a real incentive for operators to be able to change tone frequencies 
in the TX options?

 some users use narrow filters or passband tuning when opperating digital 
 modes
 if you have your "sweet dpot" maybe on 1500hz or on 2000hz changing option 
 of
 the af frequency is a "must have"


Are we supposed to uninstall the previous release before unpacking a newer 
release?

 i never deinstalled the older versions but you have to cklick on
 "don´t make shortcuts in the programmfolder" and "don´t make shortcut on
 desktop" during the installing process
 but the cleanest way is to deinstall the older version before installing a 
 new one


After running the newest version now for a few minutes, I find now that I 
cannot get it to go to
maximized from a minimized condition.  The small replica of the program does 
appear when
moving the cursor to the minimized position on the lower bar.

 on my pc i can minimize to taskbar and when clicked on the tab on the 
 taskbar
 the programm reopens to normal size
 don´t know what is the problem c ause on my pc all is working fine
 you should send a mail to norbert and tell him that problem

I also downloaded the Magic Clip, I believe it is called, and am playing with 
that for a bit.

 i didn´t try this magic clip so i can´t say anything about


Is there some way to save the definitions created in the Macro Keys rather than 
have them
erased each time a newer version of the software is installed?  That is one 
reason why I
am looking at that Magic Clip thingie and not just to reduce my transmitting 
burden

 just backup text1.txt text2.txt ... text8.txt
 after installing the new version just copy them back to programmfolder

I know this is a "new" mode, but has anyone determined just what the direction 
will be for
MFTTY?  I think it's a slick offering but.that's just me.  I'd be curious 
about other
thoughts.

 just a new mode for weak signal :-)

best 73´s de dg9bfc
sigi

Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

2009-01-15 Thread Siegfried Jackstien
dear buddy
just go on the spot page (chatpage) and there you can find others to test with
greetz
dg9bfc
sigi


Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145

2009-01-15 Thread Siegfried Jackstien
dear kevin
just drop norbert a mail and he will answer how to solve the problem
i will forward this mail to him  maybe he has a solution
greetz
dg9bfc
sigi
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kevin Mitchell 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145



  HI,

  I have just downloaded this program and installed it on my radio computer.
  Problem, when I run it after installing I get the error message "Run-time 
error '372'
  Failed to load control 'RichTestBox' from RICHTX32.OCX. Your version of 
RICHTX32.OCX may be outdated. Make sure you are using the version of control 
that was provided with your application.

  I am running XP Pro and have down-loaded VB6 Runtime from the MFTTY website. 
I have even downloaded the RICHTX32.OCX file and followed the instructions to 
install on my computer, BUT this has not fixed the problem, still getting the 
same error message.

  Is there any reason why this might be happening? Any help would be grateful

  Kevin, ZL1KFM.


   
  On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 6:35 PM, F.R. Ashley  wrote:


I've tried calling CQ endlessly on 20 and 80 meters but never once gotten a 
response or even heard an MFTTY station.  Where is everyone hiding?
I've read where some use 14.068 on 20 meters but it is so crowded there 
with PSK and all.  I've also tried 3.591 on 80 meters but no luck there either.

Can we all try to establish a meeting frequency for using this mode?

73 Buddy WB4M
  - Original Message - 
  From: W6IDS 
  To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New MFTTY Version 30.145


  To All,

  I did download the new release and found a couple of things.

  Pressing the Appointments button takes me to K3UK's page but there's no 
way to
  post comments or log in.

  If I instead go to my "Favorites" and select the page, I can log in and 
post comments, etc.

  Also, I've been running in HALF setting.  Has anyone tried the other 
settings: Double or 1/4?
  I tried Normal and found garbage on the screen with no success in 
cleaning it up, operator
  error possibility not withstanding.

  Is there a real incentive for operators to be able to change tone 
frequencies in the TX options?

  Are we supposed to uninstall the previous release before unpacking a 
newer release?

  After running the newest version now for a few minutes, I find now that I 
cannot get it to go to
  maximized from a minimized condition.  The small replica of the program 
does appear when
  moving the cursor to the minimized position on the lower bar.

  I also downloaded the Magic Clip, I believe it is called, and am playing 
with that for a bit.

  Is there some way to save the definitions created in the Macro Keys 
rather than have them
  erased each time a newer version of the software is installed?  That is 
one reason why I
  am looking at that Magic Clip thingie and not just to reduce my 
transmitting burden

  I know this is a "new" mode, but has anyone determined just what the 
direction will be for
  MFTTY?  I think it's a slick offering but.that's just me.  I'd be 
curious about other
  thoughts.

  Howard W6IIDS
  Richmond, IN
- Original Message - 
From: Siegfried Jackstien 
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: New Version .144


new version of mftty
now it is version 30.145
see here
http://www.polar-electric.com/MFTT/index.html
download it and try it out
 

greetz
dg9bfc