[digitalradio] Re: RTTY Standard
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Robert Chudek - K0RC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For amateur radio stations, 45.45 bauds and 170 Hz shift. Don't be surprised to find some 200Hz shift there too. Kantronics or someone used it as their standard, but generally, 170Hz machines had no problem decoding it. Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: SSB on 14070
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have ben hearing what sounds like Vietnamese on 14.070 LSB. I suspect bootleg operation. We hear a lot of that throughout 40, 30 and 20m and everywhere in between. All Asian pirates, fishing vessels, phone patches, all sorts of things. It can really ruin 10132 for a start. Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: Narrow SSTV contact
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now the most confusing thing is how do you handle text data vs the image data? If you call CQ with the image only and you contact another station using the same mode, what do you do after the initial exchange of images? Or is it possible to do it the other way and be text chatting with someone and then be able to send an image? How do you do this gracefully? 73, Rick, KV9U Rick, most SSTV contacts are done with text templates superimposed on the images. The templates are basically like a CW conversation - Name , QTH, UR 595 etc. and prepared in advance, some have macros to make this easier. Have a look at a few of the webcam pages for the JA, VK and EU conversations for a better idea. I don't see as much of this type of QSO from the USA pages. Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: Anyone worked VK2QQ on 30M yet ?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone in North America worked VK2QQ on 30M SSTV yet ? Anyone worked VK/ZL on 30M any digital mode lately ? I've seen a number of VK's on 30m PSK working into USA East Coast, but thus far, nothing on SSTV. Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: Happy Australia Day
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy Australia Day to all our VK members. Hope the weekend is not too hot for you, Melbourne looked nice and warm on TV today. Better than the 18 inches of snow I have outside my house! Andy K3UK Thanks Andy. Wonderul day here in Sydney too. Kids in the pool, steaks on the barbie, plenty of cold drinks, and I am waiting for someone in the USA on 30m SSTV to make it to my webcam! Cheers Brad AX2QQ vk2qq.com
[digitalradio] Re: How do we know MP73-N is less than 500 hz ?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker, WØJAB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would there really be a problem if it is wider then 500Hz? There wouldn't be a problem, it just wouldn't be legal for you guys in the USA. Me? I can run up to 8kHz bandwidth there. ;-) Listening 10132USB MP73-N all night. Check my webcam for success at vk2qq.com (40/2m page)Good luck. Brad VK2QQ.com
[digitalradio] Re: CQ narrow SSTV 10134 tonight
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will CQ periodically tonight on 10134 USB running MMSSTV MP73-N narrow mode. Until 04 UTC, probably at 15, 30, 45 and 00 minutes. Andy K3UK My sstv web page is monitoring 10132kHz USB, and capable of MP73-N. 30m is predicted to be open from East Coast Australia to East Coast USA around now (0900z) and for the next few hours. You may have to be an early riser. Apart from some minor Asian pirate activity, the frequency is clear. Brad VK2QQ.com
[digitalradio] Re: Redefining SSTV operations
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in doing some more SSTV, either analogue or digital. However, I dislike the operations methods that one usually finds omn the standard SSTV calling frequencies. Usually, SSTV operations take the form of SSB phone chats before and after a a QSO. Then folks send pictures, often semi-naked females. They chat again, and exchange more pictures. Often, it seems that the calling frequencies are dominated by the same or or two i ndividuals for several hours at a time. It is almost like net and the person running the net calls the shots. I would like to see SSTV opertion be more like the standard digital mode operations. Contact established via image or data CQ's and then the exhanghe of station info and signal report. Currently sofware like Multipsk, Hampal, SSTV and the soon to be released DM780 with SSTV all enable the typing of an image that would contain text that you create.I would like to recommend 4 templates for SSTV 1. Standard CQ Image CQ CQ CQ de K3UK K3Uk Picture Fredonia, NY . USA. FN02HK 2. One of several reponse images with varying signal reports and a picture matching the report. de K3UK. Thanks, clear picture. Picture BTU de K3UK 3. de K3UK, OK TU SSTV QSO 73 image 4. If responding to a QSO de K3UK K3Uk Picture Fredonia, NY . USA. FN02HK Is there any interest in this? What new calling frequencies for 20M and 40M would you suggest? I don't know what your problem is, that's EXACTLY how it operates in VK on the main and repeater frequencies. Very little SSB is heard, and then that is from JA or EU. We use 14230, 14236, 14227, 7171 and 10132. Brad VK2QQ.com
[digitalradio] Re: Redefining SSTV operations
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien While this is perfectly legitimate, I'm just looking to start SSTV without the chatter. Then send a picture! I'm watching the same QSO here on KP4TR. 20m is not open to VK at the moment. Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: 30 Meter digital
As they say in the Classics Sucks to be you Brad VK2QQ (Now running SSTV Mobile on 10.134, and Good Old Fashioned SSB Voice on 10.120, 10.125 and 10.1375) --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kh6ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, I prefaced my comment with It is my belief that if voice of the same bandwidth were allowed everwhere data is allowed, the data segments of the bands would be overrun with phone stations using DV. Perhaps it is not clear what I meant. For example, if someone comes up with a DV of 300 hz bandwidth, it will quickly be widely used anywhere 300 hz bandwidth signals are allowed, and the crush of phone users will leave little space for modes like MFSK16 of the same bandwidth to operate, simply because there will be so many people wanting to use phone instead of another digital mode, like MFSK16, but that is just my personal belief. If there were a DV mode the same width as PSK31, then the same would prove true, except that there are more spaces to use PSK31, because of its narrow bandwidth, than there are digital operators looking for space (right now, but changing). In fact there already is a sort of narrowband DV in my DigiTalk program for the blind, which speaks the PSK31 text (at 50 wpm text-to-speech), but, because going the other way (speech-to-text), still has a 5% translation error rate at best, speaking must still be done by typing, and that is a deterrent to many who might use PSK31 if they could just speak into a mike and have errorless text go out over the air. As you point out, some sort of planned segregation is going to be inevitable on shared bands. With phone and CW, there was a common language for everyone, and sharing was possible by QRL or other Q signals on CW or the equivalent on phone, but that sharing technique is useless when one mode does not hear or understand another. We have yet to experience what it will be like if everyone uses DV, there is not enough space to hold everyone, and someone accidentally starts up on your frequency because propagation was such he thought it was clear and did not happen to choose an alternate clear frequency he could QSY to if he could just understand a request to do so. I believe the thing that makes it possible for PSK31 to have a space, for example, is only that there is no true 31.25 Hz-wide phone mode. Of course, the more narrow the mode, the more stations that will fit in any given slice of spectrum, so it is advantageous to have the most narrow modes possible so there is room for as many stations as possible. At some point, there will be plenty of space, depending upon the demand, even if everyone used a voice mode that is only 31.25 Hz wide. For example, if every RTTY contester only used PSK63, there would probably be more than enough space so that during contests, RTTY stations would not have to spread out so much. There was a psychological experiment some years ago in which scientists set up two cages of rats, one overcrowded and one just at capacity. The rats in the overcrowded cage ate each other until they were no longer overcrowded. Skip KH6TY It is almost for sure that if the FCC equated DV as being similar to any other digital mode, that DV would not take over the ever decreasing size of the text digital portions of the HF bands. There are several reasons: - the lower portions of the bands, historically used for the earliest text digital mode based on wetware decoding will likely see further reductions in that mode (CW), except during contest periods since almost no new hams are acquiring even basic CW skills, much less proficiency. This will allow for more space for text digital, assuming that text digital will be segregated in that manner. - since DV is likely to never be competitive with analog SSB for weak signals as analog due to the practical limitations of science. - if digital modes did increase in popularity, which would primarily be voice DV, there would be tremendous pressure to segregate digital and analog modes by a sizable majority of radio amateurs. And it works both ways, as you well noted, analog SSB is a serious hindrance to digital modes in general. - some phone bands are underutilized now, such as on 80 meters, with few stations on the lower end of the voice sub bands and yet CW and digital can be quite crowded in a space that is well under half of what we previously had. (And I admit was underutilized with that mix too). Unless we eventually go to bandwidth based bandplans, and at the same time do not segregate by mode (especially voice modes, whether analog or digital), then it would be entirely appropriate for hams to use narrow voice modes for spectrum conservation and do it in the appropriate bandwidth areas. Based upon comments made by Dave Sumner in the past, I am not sure that will be supported by ARRL, since he
[digitalradio] Re: 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to Cross the Atlantic
Picky picky picky. So many naysayers around this group, it is a wonder anyone achieves anything new! --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, jgorman01 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks to me like it should be operating on 28.2028.30 MHz according to 97.203d. Also, if the balloons path goes over the National Radio Quiet Zone, 97.203(e)/97.3(a)(30) it looks like permission is supposed to be obtained. Lastly, does foreign operation come into play and the need for reciprocal licenses when the balloon reaches Europe? Jim WA0LYK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick Karlquist richard@ wrote: Mark Thompson wrote: - Forwarded Message From: John yp671@ Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 4:50:26 PM Subject: Balloon Launch 10 MHz Amateur Radio balloon to cross the Atlantic The balloon payload will include a GPS unit and CPU that will regulate the balloon's altitude and send telemetry on 10.123 MHz in CW and RTTY formats. The 10 MHz transmitter will run 3 watts output into a half wave dipole hung below the balloon. FCC part 97.203d says that this frequency (10.123) is not authorized for automatically controlled beacon stations. It is not clear that this balloon is under any kind of manual control. I see that telemetry is an OK 1 way transmission 97.111.b.7, but there is the question of control. Maybe someone can educate me how this is legal. Rick N6RK
[digitalradio] Re: Gray Areas of USA Ham Radio Regulations and Rules
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Ingram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Australia's restrictions on methods of operating rather than modes of operating are frustrating though. No phone patches, IRLP only recently etc. 73s, Dave. Dave, we can run phone patches here, that was approved back in the 80's. The only proviso was that, as with all telco devices, the phone patch device had to be Austel approved. There was a magazine project and kit available too. We can run them, we just don't bother. IRLP was here from very early on. The Blue Mountains node 6000 was the first in VK and on air from early 2001. It was also the first IRLP node outside of North America. At that time there were only about 28 other nodes on air, most of them in Canada, and obviously none in ZL. They were not to appear on air for another couple of years. Peter VK2YX then set about installing nodes all over the country. There was nothing in our regs restricting IRLP, just hams resisting new technology. Sounds familiar? Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: Gray Areas of Ham Radio Regulations and Rules
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not surprising that strong polarizing opinions exist regarding this subject or how it is applied to ham radio digital communications. Bonnie KQ6XA It is not surprising Bonnie, but it is INCREDIBLY boring. You guys have way too many rules, and the surprising thing is that so many hams seem to think that the problems can be solved by introducing yet more! Brad VK2QQ
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Gray Areas of Ham Radio Regulations and Rules
OK, Brad, What are your specific objections to any given rule that you think are improper? RFSM2400? You know the new mode that triggered this whole hand wringing debate about whether USA hams could or could not use it? 300bd? Ha! Images/Text/Images of text/fax? Ha! It seems to me that we have found different countries have different rules and it can be very helpful to know what they are. As I recall, it took years for your country to even allow Winlink 2000 operation, while our country has had Aplink, Winlink, Netlink, and eventually Winlink 2000 for several decades. Yes, and we now have a complete new set of bandwidth regulations that will guarantee that this situation will not occur again. The only rule that I would like to see changed is to allow operation by bandwidth instead of mode. What I really want, is a subset of this, in order to be able to operate wide BW (voice width) transmissions using SSB, digital voice, and digital data of any kind, whether image or text in the wide bandwidth (voice/image) portions of the bands. We have precisely that sort of regulation now. For HF it reads Any emission mode with a necessary bandwidth of less than 8khz. End of reg. http://www.wia.org.au/licenses/radam_1of97.pdf Schedule 2 is the relevant section. Compare our few paragraphs with yours. Let me know how you go. The problem is that I am in the minority. From what I can tell, most hams want modes kept as separate as possible and Danny has pointed out the problems you have with mixing modes which has somewhat tempered my enthusiasm. Wouldn't you agree that the reason that you may be able to have fewer rules (assuming you really do since I have not read your rules), is due to your very low density of population, both in terms of square miles and number of hams? Nope, I would not agree at all. We have fewer Regs because we have a Bandplan that is a living document to cater for the changes in technology, and our fewer hams comply with the spirit of it. http://www.wia.org.au/bandplans/Australian%20Amateur%20Band%20Plans%20070113 .pdf But from Danny's post, the reason he thinks you need MORE regs is because you can't trust your fellow American to comply and he wants to carry a big stick. Sad situation indeed. 73 de Brad VK2QQ 73, Rick, KV9U Brad wrote: It is not surprising Bonnie, but it is INCREDIBLY boring. You guys have way too many rules, and the surprising thing is that so many hams seem to think that the problems can be solved by introducing yet more! Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: Bad PSK signals ?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was watching a bad PSK31 signal on 40M this morning, an IMD of -6 and harmonic waterfall 'trails all over my 3 Khz wide display. Do official observers ever get involved in these cases ? Seems that friendly pink slips might be useful here . -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com In the past, I have taken a screen shot of signals like this, which will identify the station from the text, the frequency, time of day, it's all there, then emailed it off to their qrz.com listed address. I have included a friendly note suggesting that they may not be aware of their signal, and have received thanks in return. Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: Bad PSK signals ?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Roger J. Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mulveyraa2 wrote: That is certainly disappointing. What software do you use to take a screenshot? Will it work with MixW? de Roger W6VZV Click ALT-PRTSCREEN and then click Paste directly into your email program. Easy. I've even done this while the offending ZL was on air and he received the email between transmissions, called me on psk and asked for advice. Instant results! Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: Bad PSK signals linears
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Walt DuBose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if I turn on my linear is that Ok or should I just give up and wait for better conditions? Walt/K5YFW K5? Sure, crank it up.
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Bad PSK signals ?
_ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien A ZL called a VK for advice ! What is the world coming to ? Just some big brotherly advice. Andy K3UK (from near Thirlmere) Hmm, I would expect better signals from you! Brad VK2QQ actually in Thirlmere. _,_._,___
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Bad PSK signals ?
And I will be visiting that QTH in about 6 weeks! _ From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2007 3:43 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Bad PSK signals ? I from the original Thirlmere area. On 3/10/07, Brad thirlmereflyer@ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] exemail.com.au wrote: _ From: digitalradio@ mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of Andrew O'Brien A ZL called a VK for advice ! What is the world coming to ? Just some big brotherly advice. Andy K3UK (from near Thirlmere) Hmm, I would expect better signals from you! Brad VK2QQ actually in Thirlmere. _,_._,___ -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb. http://www.obriensweb.com com
[digitalradio] Re: Those microphone thingies in digital bands
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is just me? Recently I have noticed a lot of people using those wide bandwidth devices that produce voice signals. microphones are what they are called, around 7070-75 and 14070-77. I did not use to hear them so often. It is not just USA hams. so did something else change other than the recent USA band changes ? last night 7070- 7075 was full of them. -- Andy K3UK Skype Me : callto://andyobrien73 www.obriensweb.com yes, it is just you, Andy. 7070 is the main frequency for mobile SSB QSO's, 7075 would be the next busiest. Lots of phone nets on those channels too. KL7's, KP4's and KH6's can operate SSB from 7075 to 7100. Most of the best European SSB DX is worked there too. Did you say there was some digital activity there too? Funny, we don't hear much of that so far up the band! Brad VK2QQ
Re: [digitalradio] US Hams Codeless Feb 23
Hello folks, Speaking of tests the next time you visit the doctor remember he has a practice. So pick an old fart that has practiced on somebody else first!! Everybody has to start somewhere. Later Brad N1NPK
[digitalradio] Re: Trends in Frequencies for 40m Digi Keyboarding
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way folks...my question now is why people in the USA use 7070 for PSK? 7035-37 seems full of PSK31 DX, I'm not sure why we are not all there. Andy K3UK I'd like to ask the same question. 7070 and 7075 are two of our busiest phone frequencies. Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: Trends in Frequencies for 40m Digi Keyboarding
I have worked quite a few DX stations on both 7035 and 7070. I see more long DX's on 7035more USA stations on 7070. I see no Pacific area stations in any of those windows. I have worked Europe Africa and the Middle East on 7035. Jose, CO2JA Jose, there isn't as much activity from VK on 40m, only a handful of stations would be active. As for Pacific, apart from occasional 3D2 signals, ZL and FK8 on 20m, I've rarely seen any other active countries on psk, and KH6 is almost impossible to find. It is very very noisy at the bottom end of 40m thanks to a nasty S9++ Chinese radar. Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: Trends in Frequencies for 40m Digi Keyboarding
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Danny Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know why anyone would want to put the PSK signals down at the low end of the 40 meter band, where it has been customary for CW stations to work for decades. 7.030 is in the lower portion of the 40 meter subband where all the classes can go for CW, and they should not have to share that with digital ops, and vice versa. I can almost understand it, when Europe had only 7.0-7.1, but with an expansion to 7.1 to 7.2, Europe and the US should use 7.080 7.100 or there abouts, for digital operations. It would act as somewhat of a buffer between CW and SSB. It would also make the 7.125-7.200 available for simplex operaitions between the US and the rest of the world, getting away from the silly split operation we have been forced into for decades. Danny, The lower end of 40m is the only place available for psk, and you are outnumbered by the number of countries that do operate there. 7070 is a busy phone calling frequency, 7075 is just as busy. No psk operation is possible. Why don't we all move above 7100 like you Americans? Good question. VK has has access to 7300, so why aren't we there? Sunrise, 6.00am, 1900z, 45 minutes ago. Strong AM broadcasters, in Russian on 7105, 7110, 7115, 7120, 7130, 7135, 7140, 7145, 7150 (with Radio New Zealand broadcasting a HUGE DRM signal there later on in the day, 7155, 7160, 7170, 7180, 7185, 7190, 7200 in Arabic, 7210, 7220, 7240 Radio Australia to the Pacific S9+40, 7255, 7270, 7275, 7280, 7295 (fat chance of HFLink) and 7300. The noise floor is very high, the signals overlap and the Chinese are banging away with an OTHR at the bottom of the band. The only segment that is mostly workable is between 7040-7100. In the evenings it is crammed with wall to wall JA's and Indonesians. Any QSO's are fortuitous. Care to make a sked mate? Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: Trends in Frequencies for 40m Digi Keyboarding
The above is news to me. I rarely hear any digital signals on 40M much below 7.065. The bulk of keyboard digital activity seems to take place from about 7.069-7.075 or so. If there is a trend towards digital qsos down around 7020-7040 it is not discernible. de Roger W6VZV Roger, listen for Europe on psk on 7035 USB. Lots of it there. Currently hearing two weak signals as the band closes, RA6 and 9A1. Most of my RTTY QSO's to the USA during contests occur between 7030- 7055. Brad VK2QQ
[digitalradio] Re: US Hams Codeless Feb 23
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Danny Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we should require EVERYONE that wanted to work CW, to take a test in that mode. Unlike any of the other modes, it is a SKILL SET, and not just something from memory, Whatever next Danny? Should we be able to read punched paper tape at 20WPM before operating RTTY? Coastal Radio operators had to do it for their licence. Or perhaps touch typing at 60wpm before any permitting other Digital keyboard mode, or a Photography course for SSTV? Considering some of the accents I've heard from the USA, perhaps an assessment by a speech therapist before being permitted Phone? ;-) I too, have always hated the compulsory nature of CW being a hurdle and keeping me away from the bigger chunks of HF, but I passed it 18 years ago and never used it since. Now, I find it more interesting and am considering practising again. I've never understood what was so special about Morse Code that it required a separate exam of it's own, and why so many hams were ready to preclude so may other good operators from HF because of it. It sounds like religious snobbery. This time, new operators will be on CW because they love it, not because they HAD to learn it. By the way, it's always good to bear in mind the dictionary definition of the word Amateur. It doesn't mean Unprofessional, as some may think. Brad VK2QQ
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Movement toward open digital software?
Hello Simon, I want to thank you for the great software and as somebody who has actually attempted a little programming (with mixed results) I know the amount of time and effort you have put into the software. I usually run a beta version of your software and find your beta version runs better than most final versions. It always amazes me that people who don't have a particular talent think those that can do it just have some magic wand that makes it happen with no concept of the time and effort it took to learn that talent let alone the time and effort into the actual project. Thanks again. 73 Brad N1NPK
Re: [digitalradio] CW software?
There is a varity of Software that will send and receive CW. Try Hamscope, MultiPsk, MixW or CWType. It is not as much fun as a real key or paddle but gets the job done during a contest when there are a lot of operators doing 30+wpm. I dubbed around a bit before I discovered my radio had to be in Digi Mode to transmit so if you are having trouble try that. Later Brad N1NPK
Re: [digitalradio] CW software?
Robert, After reading Rick's glowing assessment of the MRP4-EN I gave it another try. I am afraid I can not give it the same rating. I ran CWget and Hamscope at the same time both with near 100% copy while the MRP40-EN got 50% at best. At times it would get 100% (so I must have it setup right) and then suddenly spit gibberish till I clicked the mouse on the signal again. Tried various setting with similar results. Perhaps I am missing something in the setup of this program. I would certainly try the trial version before buying it. Perhaps it is your cup of tea and have better luck getting it to work. Personally I like HamScope but it does tax my 1 gig cpu a bit but runs fine on my laptop. My second choice is a toss up between MulitPSK or CWget combined with CWtype. Hamscope tends to lock onto the closest frequency so if somebody isn't zero beat on your frequency then you are ok. I'd be interested in hearing other opinions, perhaps I am the odd man out. Hi HI My 2 cents for what it is worth. Later Brad N1NPK There is only one really superior receiving software program but it costs $60: http://www.polar-electric.com/Morse/MRP40-EN/ There is a trial version that works for a short time so you an see how well it can receive CW compared to most any other program. If anyone knows of a freeware program that can compete, I would appreciate knowing. I have not tried this program with transmitting but perhaps others can critique that feature. It appears to be similar to programs that inject an audio tone to transmit. 73, Rick, KV9U ,_.___ Messages in this topic (26) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Connect to telnet://cluster.dynalias.org a single node spotting/alert system dedicated to digital and CW QSOs. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 20New Members Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Ham radio b.. Ham radio antenna c.. Ham radio store d.. Digital radio e.. Digital radio scanners Y! GeoCities Share More Create a blog, web site, and more. Market Online Drive customers to your web site with Sponsored Search. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. .
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!]
Anybody using Mandrake One the Live CD so you don't have to do the dual boot route? 73 Brad N1NPK,_._,___
Re: [digitalradio] Re: Band Plans
After reading umpteen posts on band plans vs band plans I can only imagine the chaos when everybody starts duking it out on the air come Dec 15th. I think it is a conspiracy by the AMP companies to sell amps so everybody can play king of the airwaves. Hi Hi 73 Brad N1NPK
Re: [digitalradio] Linux versis Windows: Let the debate begin!!
It always amuses me that somehow it is ok to hunt for 5 hours for a windows driver that only works half right but it's not ok to have to spend 10 minutes looking at a *nix log and changing a config file, goofy. The problem isn't that Linux is hard to use it is that people have significant mindshare built up in becomeing windows experts and are unwilling to go through the process again for Linux. First I am not a big fan of Windows and especially Billy Gates who steals everybody's ideas because he has the money and can. He just pays the antitrust fines or whatever meantime the poor bloke that came up with the idea/software goes in the poor house. Short version! But I never had to spent 5 hours looking for a windows driver but I have spent days trying to get a new version of a Linux program to work because of one missing dependency outta a dozen you need to install. I've spent 10 times as much time learning Linux with a fraction of the success as I have Windows. And if you go to a Linux forum and ask a question all you get is RTFM, doesn't matter that I have read a dozen of them or that yes I do have the answer in one of my MANY Linux books but really don't want to spend days figuring out which book it is in when some Linux guru could tell me in 39 seconds where I went wrong. I'll stick to Windows since it works 99% of the time with a 1000% less hassle. I don't want to be a Windows or a Linux guru I just want an OS that works with as little hassle as possible. A system that'll let me install the software I want without spending days chasing a rare dependency. Later Brad N1NPK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW decoder
Hello, CWget can be a great aid in learning the code if you use it as a backup. Find somebody on the air doing slow speed code or try to hook up with a patient ham like Andy then tune in with CWget and while it is decoding you decode on paper. That way if you miss anything CWget will help you fill what you missed. Hook a mic near your rig to capture your sidetone and you can see your mistakes sending code. Code comes slow to me and after a few months I am only up to about 10 wpm sending and receiving but occasionally get in a groove and get up to 15wpm receiving so I know it is just a matter of keeping at it. I combine on air practice and using the excellent G4FON Morse software It certainly is a lot easier than when I started and get a good key or paddle. The Black Widow paddle is a great inexpensive paddle kit but you'll need to spent 2-3 hours sanding and putting it together. But it is a real smooth paddle for $64. Find it here http://www.w5jh.net/Black_Widow.htm Hear me chopping up the air waves give me a shout and we can improve together. Later Brad N1NPK
Re: [digitalradio] Re: CW decoder
Hello again I reread your post and you said the CWget program doesn't like you. I assume you are having trouble with the program (if not forgive the post) so try clicking with the mouse on the spikes in the spectrum. Then it will decode the sender. My rig has a 700 hz tone so when I tune the spike to fall at 700hz on the spectrum in CWget I am tuned exactly on the other guys frequency. 73 Brad N1NPK
Re: [digitalradio] new operator question - I did not find an FAQ
Hello Peter, A lot of people now use a sound card interface rather than a TNC for the digital modes. I use the SignaLink SL-1 Plus ($70) from Tigertronics with DigiPan and MMVARI for PSK31 and RTTY others favor the RigBlaster sold by West Mountain Radio and then many hams homebrew their interface. There are others but these two are probably the most popular. Here are a few links to get you started: http://www.tigertronics.com/ (there is a product and price comparison on their website) http://www.westmountainradio.com/ http://www.qsl.net/wm2u/interface.html http://www.qsl.net/kf8gr/interface.html http://www.w5bbr.com/soundbd.html http://hrd.ham-radio.ch/ http://www.digipan.net/ http://mmhamsoft.amateur-radio.ca/ Later Brad N1NPK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Newbie
Mike, If you just want to listen in on the Digi Modes Download MMSSTV, MMVARI, DigiPan or any number of free digital software then put your computer Mic Next to your radio speaker. Later Brad N1NPK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Recommendations on FAX
I don't know if the info you seek is here but Try this website for info: http://www.hffax.de/ Brad N1NPK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Noise
Mike I've noticed it too so it ain't local. Have no idea what it is. 73 Brad N1NPK [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Starting a digital 30m traffic/ragchew net
snip I'd also like the digital 30m net to operate on different digital modes on different days of the week. snip Jason Hsu, AA0II Cedar Rapids, IA Jason, if you go to www.ips.gov.au , HF Systems, and look at the HAP charts, you will find that 30m has excellent propagation in the daytime, but it is a big 1000km diameter doughnut. If the stations you want to talk to are in that range, then just a few watts will get through. For me, that places VK3 and southern VK4 right in range. We've been operating SSTV on 10138 and the results are excellent. See for yourself at www.vk2qq.com 73 de Brad VK2QQ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: NTS and traffic handling and digital
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I'm hunting a clear spot to call CQ and there's a clear frequency in the automatic sub-bands, I should be able to call CQ there without fear of later being QRM'd by an automatic station that doesn't listen before transmitting. Would you do this on a repeater output then complain if someone who can't hear you keyed the repeater? If you know full well that there are automatic stations there and their frequencies are published, expecting them to skirt around your itinerant operation sounds precious. Brad vk2qq.com Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: NTS and traffic handling and digital
But the governing bandplan is woefully obsolete: http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.html According to this band plan, the only protocol allowed in the automatic sub-bands is Packet. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Those aren't your governing bandplans at all. If they were, there would be no operation in any mode allowed between 10100-10130 khz. What it actually says is this: This information is for quick reference only - refer to the band plan listings in the Operating Manual, The FCC Rule Book or the ARRL Repeater Directory for full details. Brad VK2QQ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: knock it off RANT
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can the Moderator, please stop this rubbish. Can US hams please realise that this is a worldwide group and it is read by hams around the world. If you want to discuss your internal US problems do it somewhere else. Ross ZL1WN Hear Hear. This has got to be the most long winded, irrelevant, parochial thread ever. And it all comes down to lack of trust. Americans do not trust each other to comply with a Gentlemans Agreement. It's sad. Brad VK2QQ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: RM-11306 Rant
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Danny Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I havent seen most of the new European band plans but ill bet my bottom dollar they do not forbid the use of SSB in the 7-7.1 portion of 40 meters. It would only make sense to do so, since they now have 7.1-7.2 and can easily send SSB there and clear the lower portion of the band for the narrow mode, and also get away from the idiotic splits.Bet it doesnt happen. You didnt do it, and they wont do it. Danny, They don't operate exclusive SSB above 7100 for valid reasons. Here's one - In January Adventist World Radio commenced a new transmission to the Middle East, from Germany, on 7115kHz at 250kW. Here in Australia, that signal is S9+. Would you like to compete with that? No, I thought not. Brad VK2QQ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Attended QRM
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do they ID? Have you sent them a QSL card noting their QRM? Have you documented this more than you know pattern of activity to the ARRL the FCC? A letter to the Editor of QST could serve to embarass at least some of the perpetrators into modifying their behavior. If identifable stations are QRMing anyone and the FCC's Riley Hollingsworth knows when and where to look you can count on them receiving a stern letter of rebuke ... to start with. There are effective pathways to resolution. yeah right. These are generally loud mouth SSB big guns. You think they'd care? They'd feel smug knowing they were heard. I listen to an RTTY net run from Texas on 7085 sometimes. He makes a big long call and listens. I call, and call, and call. He's S8 here. The other W stations he responds to are barely audible. Got to wonder how much power he is running, especially if we are off the back of the beam. So he QRM's that frequency for the rest of the world to listen to his wonderful signal but can't hear anyone calling him from this direction. Unattended stations are the least of the problem, when we are up to our whatsis in Alligators. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] New VK bandplan for digital
A new bandplan has been proposed for 40m in VK and has been promulgated on the WIA website at http://www.wia.org.au/news/2006/20060118-01.php The proposal factors in a new segment for unattended and attended stations. This goes to demonstrate that a Bandplan should be a living document. Brad VK2QQ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Attended QRM
I have been reading messages by Dave and others here, banging on and on and on ad nauseum about QRM the may be caused by unattended stations. Do you want to know where the real QRM comes from? W stations running a kilowatt beaming northeast and jamming the entire world yet unable to hear anyone calling them. This happens more than you would know, since alligators can't hear the complaints. Brad VK2QQ Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Bandwith-Based Bandplans in our future (NOT RESTRUCTURING: UK RSGB bandplan
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen very little opposition to a bandwidth-based allocation scheme; this aspect of the ARRL proposal is reasonable. The ARRL's proposal is fatally flawed because it replaces allocation by law with allocation by voluntary bandplan, which if adopted will unleash chaos on the bands. Only manufacturers of amplifiers and big antennas will be happy. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Your problem, Dave, is that you don't trust your fellow Ham. That is a sad state of affairs. We don't have chaos here and never have. Brad VK2QQ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~- Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: VK-ZL QSOs ?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew J. O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Brad or others What is the best time for openings to Australia and/or New Zealand this time of year from the east coast of USA? I would love a 40M QSO with VK land, in fact I have never worked VKland below 20M , any mode. Andy K3UK 20m to VK longpath around 2000-2200z. I've just worked N9BUB at z. 40m to VK shortpath, most activity can be heard on several main SSB frequencies like 7153 at 0700-0900z or so. Brad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~- Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio]
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Mark Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh. What I had asked them for originally was to allow all image emissions as defined in part 97 (c)(3) in the RTTY/Data subbands. I had used the MixW scheme of mixing digital telegraphy and an analog SSTV type emission as an example. I also used Hellschrieber as an example. What I wanted them to do was to add a footnote to 97.305(c) which would have appeared in 97.307(f) and would have stated that image emissions with a bandwidth of 500 Hz or less would be authorized. So what was the definition of all those wonderful old RTTY ART pictures sent years ago? Brad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~- Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: VK-ZL QSOs ?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assuming your gridsquare in QRZ.com is accurate... A 40m opening with VK will be gated by your major period of common darkness, which begins around 0830Z and continues until your dawn. Your best shot will likely be between 09Z and 10Z. If you have a beam, point it at 275; power would help compensate for the absorption on this path. Your 40m opportunity with ZL should start an hour or so earlier. You should have no trouble working VK on 20m (14Z to 17Z), 17m (15Z to 22Z), or 15m (20Z to 24Z). With the SFI above 100, 12m is a possibility between 21Z and 23Z, and 10m is a long shot around 22Z. Sunset here is now around 0930z. 14-1700z is 1-4am local time. Optimistic to expect much from VK then. 6am local is 1900z and there is a Longpath Net running on 14185 at that time of the morning. Radio Australia broadcasts to the Pacific on 7240 until 2000z. I use the DX Beacons a lot. Right now, at 2330z, only ZL, VK6 and JA are weakly audible on 20m. The band really shuts down mid morning. To be fair, it is probably open to the ocean. Brad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~- Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Bandwidth and Olivia
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AA6YQ response below --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Brad Granger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may have been eloquent, Howard, but Brad's statement is demonstrably incorrect. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Which part of it was incorrect Dave? The part (in your message 12149) where you said You guys have only had access to Oliva for a few months. The rest of us have been using the mode for much longer. Olivia was released in December 2004. us guys were QRV on Olivia as of the 23rd of that month. I provided URLs substantiating both facts in my earlier posting. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Yeah, and then went into a huddle, after the fact, trying to decide whether it was legal or not. So how are you guys doing with DRM? Brad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~- Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio]
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dr. Howard S. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like most US Hams.. I am about as confused about the current regulatory situation as you are... We constantly have to look over our shoulders to see if the latest digital mode is legalyes... we could publish some documentation about the protocol on a web site to disclose it... and if I were the author of the protocol.. I might be able to do that...by taking a hour or two or three from my development time to do that But what if someone in Europe writes a new Olivia style protocol... lets call it FREDand sends me a copy of FRED as the first US Ham to play with it... well to be legal ... I would have to figure out the protocols which would be difficult without source code or source information... do up a web site and publish the protocols BEFORE I could play with it... AND lets say FRED includes Video and Images and FAX and AM and FSK and FM in FRED...Now I have to read regulation books to see if FRED is legal or not... So rather than concentrating on experimenting with FRED.. I have to become a Web Site Designer and Publisher and a Communications Lawyer...BEFORE I can be an Experimenter.. Each of these steps may seem simple ... but together.. it is a big pain in the buttand a major impediment to developing new technologies in the USA... Bandwidth based regulation .. such as the Canadian Model.. eliminates these regulatory hastles... Clearly simplification of the rules will benefit the advancement of technolgy in the USA. __ Howard S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA Website: www.ky6la.com No Good Deed Goes Unpunished Ham Antennas Save Lives - Katrina, 2003 San Diego Fires, 911 You got a couple of the letters right, it isn't called FRED, it's called DRM. Lot's of speed, sending documents, files and ooh ahh, images. Neat mode, you should try it sometime. Brad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/u8TY5A/tzNLAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~- Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] Digest Number 1711
___ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:15:58 -0800 From: Dr. Howard S. White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Like most US Hams.. I am about as confused about the current regulatory situation as you are... We constantly have to look over our shoulders to see if the latest digital mode is legalyes... we could publish some documentation about the protocol on a web site to disclose it... and if I were the author of the protocol.. I might be able to do that...by taking a hour or two or three from my development time to do that But what if someone in Europe writes a new Olivia style protocol... lets call it FREDand sends me a copy of FRED as the first US Ham to play with it... well to be legal ... I would have to figure out the protocols which would be difficult without source code or source information... do up a web site and publish the protocols BEFORE I could play with it... AND lets say FRED includes Video and Images and FAX and AM and FSK and FM in FRED...Now I have to read regulation books to see if FRED is legal or not... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- AIDS in India: A lurking bomb. Click and help stop AIDS now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/VpTY2A/lzNLAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~- Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Bandwidth and Olivia
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may have been eloquent, Howard, but Brad's statement is demonstrably incorrect. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Which part of it was incorrect Dave? Brad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~- Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Bandwidth-Based FCC Rules for USA
Message: 3 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 18:31:45 - From: Dave Bernstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bandwidth-Based FCC Rules for USA In the US, there is currently no restriction on semi-automatic operation with bandwidths of 500 hz or less, but semi-automatic operation with bandwidths greater than 500 hz is restricted to designated sub-bands. The ARRL proposal, if adopted, would eliminate the current .restriction on semi-automatic operation with bandwidths greater than 500 hz. It is this aspect of the ARRL proposal that I (and evidently many others) find unacceptable. 73, Dave, AA6YQ Dave, WHY do you need the FCC to apply the restrictions for you? Why do you not feel that USA hams can develop their own bandplan and apply their own restrictions on the digital modes? Why do you apparently feel that if the FCC policed the restrictions it would make any difference to the rest of the world? Brad. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~- Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Bandwidth and Olivia
Says Dave: In your previous post, you cited the development of Olivia and PSK by non-US amateurs as evidence that current US regulations are stifling innovation. I asked you to explain this; instead of a direct response, you invoked previous conversations and attempted to change the subject to pictures in MFSK. If you make an assertion, you should be prepared to back it up with facts and logic; if you can't, then you'll peg the needle on our BS detectors, and destroy your credibility. You guys have only had access to Oliva for a few months. The rest of us have been using the mode for much longer. You are presently way behind in your use and access to new modes. Brad. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html SPONSORED LINKS Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply Ham radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [digitalradio] Digest Number 1592
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 16:21:50 - From: swl0720 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Off topicDX QSL forwarding Does anyone know of another way to fwd DX QSLs to their bureau's besides the ARRL? I am 100% digi and thought that maybe there was some digibureau or the likes.. Thanks, Rich/K2TFT Rich, The only other one that I know about is eQSL: http://www.eqsl.cc/ It is only good for their awards. The ARRL does not accept it for any of their awards. Not everyone belongs to it either. It is free but they do ask for a donation. Joe W4JSI Joe, I've been able to exchange eQSL's in under 2 hours. That was neat! Pity about the ARRL but they can be AG Authenticity Guaranteed. One of these days the ARRL will catch up. Brad VK2QQ The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ More info at http:///www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Baudot Code
Subject: Rock Roll band puts baudot code on album cover Neat story. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050609/ap_en_mu/coldplay_album_cover John, WØJAB Well I am appalled that they had to ask top art experts what that geometric thingy was. Sheesh. And they gave the wrong answer. The code wasn't just in use in the late 1800's, it was the basis of every telex message until the early 1990's when it fell from fashion. I suppose next they will ask top archaeologists what that dit ditdah sound was. Oh no! Brad VK2QQ The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Telnet offline?
Trying to drum up some action on 30m psk on 10131 at 10:45z. Can't get onto telnet at the moment, it drops out. I'm calling CQ there anyway. Brad VK2QQ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- !-- SpaceID=1705063108 loc=TM noad -- ~- The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: VK6 Beacon
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Rick Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the beacon TX periodically on a set schedule or on a continuous basis? Are there spot frequencies for beacons on 30 meters? Or do you share a specific frequency considering that it is such a narrow band. 73, Rick, KV9U I am currently hearing the beacon at my QTH running at 60 second intervals, the text takes about 22 seconds. We do not have a beacon segment in our bandplan. It is running on the bottom edge of the digital segment 10140 - 10150kHz. Brad VK2QQ The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] VK6 Beacon
Subject: [MFSK] 30 metres I am now operational on 30m.Trying for DX in our Darkness hours from about 1000Z to 2300Z .You may hear my beacon on 10.142 MHz MFSK16 Rick Hill 9 Gandawarra Cres. NEWMAN 6753 Western Australia Ph:+61 8 9175 5293 Mob: 0428 328 470 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Firefly 88870060 VK6XT VK6XT [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEWMAN Western Australia 2050z 05/05/05 @ VK2QQ, QF56gt. RST 529 73 de Brad. The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Winlink
Station D needs a detector that detects activity in the bandwidth that will be occupied to prevent startup of the link, or station C needs to be able to listen to the receiver output of station D to determine if the channel is occupied. This has rarely happened in the past, I see few problems in the future. I cannot tell you how many times we have had LOUD phone stations working local USA traffic and causing QRM around the world. T'was always thus. Brad VK2QQ The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[digitalradio] Re: Spotting: How does one announce the receive frequency when using soundcard software application?
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Danny Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My waterfall is set up to cover about 4 KC, thus 14.070 on the left side of the waterfall, and 14.074 on the right. The signal then lies 1500 cy from the left side of the waterfall screen. Some people set this up so that their copy signal is right smack dab in the center of the waterfall. My sound card doesnt like that, and reduces my output power that far to the right, so I keep it center left. I don't think you should be blaming the soundcard for reducing the output level as it is more likely to be your USB filter which is the cause. If you have set the soundcard to the centre of the waterfall then you will be centred on 2KHz. For PSK31 this is probably fine, but if you have a 2.1KHz filter in your radio and are running a wider mode then the top audio will rolloff very quickly. This is why people centre on 1.5KHz which is effectively the centre of the voice passband. My own radio rolls off the power very quickly below 600Hz and above about 2300Hz. Try it. Send just a test tone and measure the transmitted RF level with a wattmeter, and increase the frequency of the tones in 100Hz steps. You'll soon get a feel for the useable bandwidth of your rig. As a result, I have zoomed my waterfall to only show 2.5KHz bandwidth and slid it slightly to the left to not display anything below 400Hz. Brad VK2QQ The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ a href=http://dxcluster.blogspot.com;img src=http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalSpotter.gif; height=67 width=200 style=border:0 alt=Digital Spotter//a Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] Bandplan
We need a viable band plan for that band. US hams, as well as those from the rest of the world need protection from those who do not give a hoot one way or the other whether they intefere with others or not. One amateur can spoil the fun for the rest, and these are the people from whom we ALL need protection. The day all rules are deleted from the ham bands, is the day I pack up and get rid of my ham gear. We need viable band plans, yes. But why Rules? Why do you need the Government to plan every khz of your allocations? We certainly don't in this country. The Regs say what modes I am allowed to use on 20m segment. The actual bandplans for CW, RTTY, SSB etc were all formulated by the Wireless Institutes Technical Planning Committee. They aren't Rules, they are a Gentlemen's Agreement. And about 99.9% of the time, the agreements work just fine. Nothing will fix that other 0.1% except a small piece of lead. Consequently, we can use modes like Olivia because there are no regulations to say we can't! Brad VK2QQ The K3UK DIGITAL MODES SPOTTING CLUSTER AT telnet://208.15.25.196/ Discussion Forums at http://www.obriensweb.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
