[tdf-discuss] Download libreoffice button in new LibreOffice website
Hi! I just wondering how can I add new 'download LibreOffice 3.3' button in finnish site? (text on button will be in finnish) Sincerely Jan Parttimaa -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 19:54 -0800, Andy Brown wrote: > > Since my computer time dates back to the old BBS days I prefer email > over forums but I can understand why some others would prefer forums, > for one time questions and not wanting to get overloaded with emails. > Actually, IMO, it isn't a question of web forums vs no web forums, assuming our efforts are successful and a large number of LibreOffice users materialize - something I feel strongly will happen - then sites will open to support them, beyond just these two. OO.o (extended and unofficial) had nearly two dozen different web forums or wikis scattered about, and I bet I missed a few. This is good I think, these third party support sites - it is the economic engine of the FOSS world if you think about it. The question is, I believe, only that of whether there is a web forum within the project domains and I do understand that different people can come to honest differences of opinion on the merit of that. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Sun Jan 09 2011 19:33:06 GMT-0800 (PST) drew wrote: Hi Andy You missed one - there is a new site wanting to offer LibreOffice support - one of the newer UX designs, which to me looks pretty much like taking the most common mods I see at support oriented web forums and throwing away most of the fluff - then tie it into a wiki/FAQ and voila much different and I think better experience. - you can see the type of site here: http://ask.debian.net/ The new LO specific site I think is http://libreoffice.shapado.com Thanks for the link. Have added it to my list. :) It is a new one for me. Anyway - I noticed the site a few days ago and the operators have mentioned it on the lists, en and fr a few times. Some will not want forums no matter what, for their own reasons and I would not be so bold as to guess why. Some still want more cake. Since my computer time dates back to the old BBS days I prefer email over forums but I can understand why some others would prefer forums, for one time questions and not wanting to get overloaded with emails. Anyway - you are correct that for the moment the applications are close enough that any of the existing sites can give reasonable help, that will change quickly I think. From the replies I have seen on the forums there will be people around that are following and using LibO so even if the differences get far apart there will be those that can and will help. Best wishes, Drew Hope you Holidays where happy and rewarding. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
> > > > Why add another forum? There is already a LibO Forum at > http://libreofficeforum.org/forum . The "Official" OOo Forum at > http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ not only supports OOo but > off shoots such as Libo, NeoOffice and StarOffice. The "Un-official" > Forum at http://www.oooforum.org/ is the oldest and largest OOo related > support forum around and has received LibO questions and answers in the > past few months. > Hi Andy You missed one - there is a new site wanting to offer LibreOffice support - one of the newer UX designs, which to me looks pretty much like taking the most common mods I see at support oriented web forums and throwing away most of the fluff - then tie it into a wiki/FAQ and voila much different and I think better experience. - you can see the type of site here: http://ask.debian.net/ The new LO specific site I think is http://libreoffice.shapado.com Anyway - I noticed the site a few days ago and the operators have mentioned it on the lists, en and fr a few times. Some will not want forums no matter what, for their own reasons and I would not be so bold as to guess why. Some still want more cake. Anyway - you are correct that for the moment the applications are close enough that any of the existing sites can give reasonable help, that will change quickly I think. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 08:24 +0800, David Nelson wrote: > Instead, we have a Nabble interface to the mailing lists: > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org Personally I would not use the forum functions in the nabble interface, but as a straight view to the mailing list archives I don't see a problem. I would explain why not the forum functions if you like, in a follow up mail. But for this email, if you guys want to integrate it I don't see why it would not be easily done - I would think, don't know, it should be very similar to adding the twitter notification box, or a CSE js. There are pros and cons - Language is one. English only for the nabble interface. But that isn't maybe a problem, if one limits it to the en pages...anyway that would be the NL teams call I would say. You can link in at any level - so a page can start at the user list, or can start at the libreoffice level above, or a NL level. For myself I would not use nabble as a substitute for a full forum, or one of the newer forum/rate/FAQ style systems - but different subject and different thread on the ML. But that is just what I think, I registered the nabble site and intended to make it public, I would not of used the forum functions, but since then it's moved to the main site so it's not my call anymore. Best wishes, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Sun, 2011-01-09 at 16:04 +0100, RGB ES wrote: > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ > They are "hidden" (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on > them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: > how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each local > site or only one on English? Categories? Organization (moderators, > etc.)? > Regards > Ricardo > Howdy Ricardo, May I just ask first, before responding to others. You where part of the discussion on the user services forum, I think, at least I am pretty sure you would have read the last discussion in the admin area. So - do you think we should have a LibreOffice web forum? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Sun Jan 09 2011 07:04:12 GMT-0800 (PST) RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are "hidden" (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each local site or only one on English? Categories? Organization (moderators, etc.)? Regards Ricardo Why add another forum? There is already a LibO Forum at http://libreofficeforum.org/forum . The "Official" OOo Forum at http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/ not only supports OOo but off shoots such as Libo, NeoOffice and StarOffice. The "Un-official" Forum at http://www.oooforum.org/ is the oldest and largest OOo related support forum around and has received LibO questions and answers in the past few months. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums bi-directionally cooperating with extant mailing lists?
Hi, :-) The idea I have presented to Christian is this: The project has decided not to use forums as such for the English NL main site on libreoffice.org Instead, we have a Nabble interface to the mailing lists: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org Nabble provides quite similar functionality to forums, while actually being just a "front end" for the mailing lists. Therefore, Nabble is a solution that caters to both mailing list proponents and forum proponents. More importantly, it gives site visitors and inexperienced users a means of easily reading the mailing lists, with all the comfort and convenience of a forum. As part of the work being completed on the libreoffice.org site, Christian and I are trying to integrate the Nabble interface into the libreoffice.org site under the "Get Help" heading... with luck, you will see it by today or tomorrow. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
Hi, :-) The idea I have presented to Christian is this: The project has decided not to use forums as such for the English NL main site on libreoffice.org Instead, we have a Nabble interface to the mailing lists: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org Nabble provides quite similar functionality to forums, while actually being just a "front end" for the mailing lists. Therefore, Nabble is a solution that caters to both mailing list proponents and forum proponents. More importantly, it gives site visitors and inexperienced users a means of easily reading the mailing lists, with all the comfort and convenience of a forum. As part of the work being completed on the libreoffice.org site, Christian and I are trying to integrate the Nabble interface into the libreoffice.org site under the "Get Help" heading... with luck, you will see it by today or tomorrow. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
Hi Sophie, *, On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:51 AM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: > > PS: If I have written complete nonsense, then I'm sure, that one of > the founders / administrators will correct me. ;) No, your explanation was totally correct - the forum is only meant to allow people to create an account to work on the website and to manage their profile. Using the forum module just was easier than to write user-login and user-profile management pages myself. The only thing I could imagine using it would be to discuss silverstripe/website specific problems, but then again: I personally prefer the mailinglists. For user support, the existing, dedicated forums should be used. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums bi-directionally cooperating with extant mailing lists?
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: > RGB ES wrote: >> >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ The forum module on the website is meant for user-registration/user-profile management. > Will the forums be bi-directional where forum posts are echoed on the > appropriate mailing list in a non-thread-breaking way and vice versa? Nabble provides such an interface - currently it is being looked how to incorporate it into the libreoffice.org website, until this is down, you can reach it via http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/ There you'll find the LO mailinglists. > It > would be nice to not have to go to two separate places (mailing lists and > the new forums) to read what's going on. See above, the forums are not meant to be used (that's why there are no acutal forums, and the page is not linked. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
Hi, I feel bad to bring you bad news, but if I remember this correctly, the forum, that comes with Silverstripe won't be used. Right now it is just used for the people who want to work on the homepage to register so that they can be given the appropriate rights. Reason for not using those forums was that there are already a few (good!) fora out there and we don't want to fight against them. In contrast, I think, it was planned to link to those forums from our website. HTH Sigrid PS: If I have written complete nonsense, then I'm sure, that one of the founders / administrators will correct me. ;) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Forums bi-directionally cooperating with extant mailing lists?
On Jan 9, 2011, at 23:52 , J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: > RGB ES wrote: >> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ > > Will the forums be bi-directional where forum posts are echoed on the > appropriate mailing list in a non-thread-breaking way and vice versa? It > would be nice to not have to go to two separate places (mailing lists and the > new forums) to read what's going on. > That was the plan, but the forum and/or mailing list experts were not sure how soon it would be feasible. And I'm not sure how a single mailing list like users would be able to handle postings to and from a subdivision like, say, the Calc section of the forum, let alone Joe Doe's thread in the Calc forum on how to format a date cell. However, the mailing list can, of course, thread messages, so it shouldn't be impossible. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Forums bi-directionally cooperating with extant mailing lists?
RGB ES wrote: https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ Will the forums be bi-directional where forum posts are echoed on the appropriate mailing list in a non-thread-breaking way and vice versa? It would be nice to not have to go to two separate places (mailing lists and the new forums) to read what's going on. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
On Jan 9, 2011, at 16:04 , RGB ES wrote: > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ > They are "hidden" (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on > them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: > how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each local > site or only one on English? Categories? Organization (moderators, > etc.)? Good stuff, Ricardo. I would imagine that the main headers will have to reflect the structure of the mailing lists, such as users, website, documentation, discuss, moderators and I believe there are one or two others that I'm not subscribed to. I assume there is some way to determine which ones one has access to. I wouldn't expect anyone but moderators and of course the systems people to have or need access to, say, the moderators forum for example. And there might be a small section for off-topic stuff, such as a forum called introductions, where people could say hello, etc. Somewhere, perhaps in the OT section, there should be a forum for suggestions and requests. Within users, there should be the usual subdivisions of, say, getting, installing, and then one for each of the applications. Also an announce forum, which might be read-only. I'm assuming the moderators can fix so-called sticky threads, ones which remain at the top of the subdivision, such as forum rules, etc. And I'm also assuming that the moderators can move threads if they appear in the wrong subdivision or even division. And might even have the ability to make a person's account read-only if (s)he gets too stroppy. That way the stroppy person can still see the messages, but cannot post except perhaps by sending a post to the moderators. Naturally one expects that it will grow organically, and fora and sections will be added as they seem to be necessary, but it would be good to have a basic structure in place when it opens. And BTW, I assume that there will be a prominent link on - preferably - the home page called Forum. //James -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] download buttons in TDF site.
Hi Fabián, Jan 2011/1/10 Fabián Rodríguez : > [...] > Such buttons and their source material (fonts, vector files, etc.) > should be uploaded to the Marketing material pages: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material They are online: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:TDF-Website-Initial-Design-Package.zip However, the LibO download page is quite different and this style of buttons is no longer being used on the LibO site. Regards, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Linux distros and LibO packaging
On 11-01-09 10:11 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: > Hi all, > > I think that we should have a webpage where Linux distributions who are > packaging LibO, could list what changes they made compared to the > "official" build by TDF. > > I see two main advantages : > - for users and helpers : they will know easier if a problem comes from > LibO or from packaging > - for QA : it will be easier to know if a test done, for example on a > version from Ubuntu PPA, may be consider as valid or not for LibO from a > general point of view. > > Last but not least, that will increase transparency : we will know what > we are talking about when we will talk about LibreOffice. ;-) > > So, is it a good idea to ask the Linux distributions to publish the > changes they made to the official build ? > > Best regards > JBF > For Ubuntu most of the information reagrding its LibO package can be found or obtained on the corresponding "needs-packagin" bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/651124 Cheers, Fabian -- LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ ~ Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Linux distros and LibO packaging
Good idea! Maybe a wiki page will be enough, but someone from each distro with enough knowledge should fill their part. On my experience, when giving support to OOo users on Linux many of their problems came from distro patches and were not present on vanilla build (anyone remember when kde4 integration appeared on openSUSE, offering to their users 0 KiB .doc files?). 2011/1/9 Jean-Baptiste Faure : > Hi all, > > I think that we should have a webpage where Linux distributions who are > packaging LibO, could list what changes they made compared to the > "official" build by TDF. > > I see two main advantages : > - for users and helpers : they will know easier if a problem comes from > LibO or from packaging > - for QA : it will be easier to know if a test done, for example on a > version from Ubuntu PPA, may be consider as valid or not for LibO from a > general point of view. > > Last but not least, that will increase transparency : we will know what > we are talking about when we will talk about LibreOffice. ;-) > > So, is it a good idea to ask the Linux distributions to publish the > changes they made to the official build ? > > Best regards > JBF > > -- > Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Linux distros and LibO packaging
Hi all, I think that we should have a webpage where Linux distributions who are packaging LibO, could list what changes they made compared to the "official" build by TDF. I see two main advantages : - for users and helpers : they will know easier if a problem comes from LibO or from packaging - for QA : it will be easier to know if a test done, for example on a version from Ubuntu PPA, may be consider as valid or not for LibO from a general point of view. Last but not least, that will increase transparency : we will know what we are talking about when we will talk about LibreOffice. ;-) So, is it a good idea to ask the Linux distributions to publish the changes they made to the official build ? Best regards JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] [Forum]How will the forum be organized?
https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/forums/ They are "hidden" (no link on the help page) and you cannot post on them yet, but they exists and you can register ;) So my question is: how those forums will be organized? There will be one for each local site or only one on English? Categories? Organization (moderators, etc.)? Regards Ricardo -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Bug 32329 - MAILMEGE E-Mail server connection fails
Hi, it would be kind if several users could do their own tests and leave comments in the Bug. Thank you Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] download buttons in TDF site.
On 11-01-08 10:49 AM, David Nelson wrote: > Hi, :-) > > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 23:38, Jan Parttimaa wrote: >> I just want to know who did the download buttons in TDF site >> (http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ ) ? >> >> How can I add those buttons in LibreOffice finnish site? Of course >> text on buttons will be in finnish. > When the new theme is rolled out, I'll send you the necessary HTML and > graphic (though it's easy to "grab" what you need if you are not a > novice...). > > David Nelson > Such buttons and their source material (fonts, vector files, etc.) should be uploaded to the Marketing material pages: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material Anyone interested in new material can login to the Wiki and click on the star at the top right page to be notified of changes/additions (or press alt-shift-w). Also see the Branding Guidelines if you're producing new material: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding Let me know if you need any help with that, you can grab me on IRC (MagicFab) or email me off-list / on-list. There's also the Marketing team mailing list at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/US-Marketing Fabian -- LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ ~ Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Mac App Store - NeoOffice Mobile for iPhone/iPad/Android example
I am replying to the top post of this thread as I came across this application while looking for ODF support in Android. "NeoOffice Mobile" looked like an application providing such support, but turned out to be a file synchronization service with display capabilities (as I understand it). It seems it displays ODF documents on iPad, iPod/iPhone and Android devices: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/neooffice-mobile/id382174697?mt=8 http://www.appbrain.com/app/neooffice-mobile/org.neooffice.android There's a wiki page: http://neowiki.neooffice.org/index.php/NeoOffice_Mobile_Preview A few first impressions: - Only NeoOffice users have access to it - Seems to be an integration of GoogleDocs - Whatever cloud-like service it's based on, it's not clear if the server side of it is non-free software or not either. This will be important for mass-deployments where LibreOffice is considered only if all its components are free software-only too. - Doesn't look like a separate plugin/module that could be added to LibreOffice as-is, but rather something tightly integrated in NeoOffice- perhaps its source code is available - Seems to have launched ~3 weeks ago on Android, low ratings although it's early to draw any conclusions on that Current ODF support on mobile devices is really basic with the two only apps I know about on Android only showing partial formatting, and only for ODT files right now. As Android gains more traction, it may also make sense supporting the existing apps and efforts so they improve. A recent thread on this list asked about Android apps, there are more details there: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/msg04189.html I like the idea of a related service powered by a mobile application like NeoOffice is trying to do. Knowing that recent threads indicated there are talks about collaborating once TDF is a legal entity, NeoOffice Mobile should be part of such discussions to see if it can be rolled into LibreOffice independently (or else). It seems odd this service is effectively reserved to Mac users of NeoOffice when one would expect at least feature parity across platforms. Keep in mind this is also one way NeoOffice is getting funds for their project. I'll be posting some different ideas I had for related applications and services, but wanted to put this out up the list for discussion. If anyone has tried NeoOffice Mobile with Apple devices, I'd like to hear their impressions - I have limite access to a Mac laptop so I may end up trying it but that may take some more time than I have right now. Cheers, Fabian -- LibreOffice questions ? Des questions sur LibreOffice ? Preguntas acerca de LibreOffice ? Ask LibreOffice: http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ ~ Fabián Rodríguez http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
