Re: [tdf-discuss] Associations around TDF

[André Schnabel]

Hi Sophie,

Am 26.10.2011 16:50, schrieb Sophie Gautier:



Who would like to work with me on drawing the guidelines for the 3rd
type in a first time, then on the 2nd type.


I can help with type 3 .. but I'd be happy to see other people helping 
(you know, it gets quite boring when a founding member of TDF and FrODeV 
- two entities who currently have a very close relationship - tries to 
write some guidelines for exactly these relationship ;) )


what would also be very helpfull woult be a list of "interested NGOs" 
should I satrt a list at the wiki?



regards,

André

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[steering-discuss] Optional local NGO donation links on download and extension pages

[André Schnabel]

Hi,

this proposal is now recorded as approved by the SC at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Decisions

So - all we need is someone to implement this :)  Is there someone at 
the website team able to take care about this?


What we need is a way to link to donations from the download site.
The generic information (which should be at every download page, no 
matter of the locale) would be

http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/donate/
plus info about SPI (Sophie should be able to provide the details, I think).

Afair, we all agreed that FrODeV is in line with the suggested rules and 
can be listed at the German Download page. I (or Florian) can provide 
some words about the Association and a link for information / actual 
donation place if needed.


For additional information:
 We had a meeting about NGOs in Paris (thjanks to Charles for 
oraganizing that). Seems that the represented NGOs there (from France, 
Brazil and Germany) have quite the same requirements and expectations to 
TDF. So Sophie voluteered to come up with a draft on more general rules 
within the next few weeks.
 As a second idea we want to work on a list of NGOs that are 
cooperating with TDF (so would qualifiy to be listed at our pages). If 
there someone who is willing to work on that - help is welcome :)


regards,

André



Am 22.09.2011 10:28, schrieb Thorsten Behrens:

Hi *,

as brought up on Saturday's SC meeting, it is deemed helpful for
local, native-lang NGOs to have their donation details listed on
frequently-viewed pages like the download page. Here's a proposal on
who would be considered eligible.

Note that this applies *only* to translated pages, i.e.

  http://it.libreoffice.org/download/,
  http://de.libreoffice.org/download/ etc.

The generic english pages will not be affected by this proposal.

A local, native-lang NGO, that is in good standing with TDF, and
fulfills the following prerequisites

  * has at least three NGO members, that are accepted TDF members at
the same time
  * is an non-profit organisation
  * has, in the past year, organised or participated in at least one
local or native-lang event, that was promoting or helping
LibreOffice

can ask for having their donation details listed on the native lang
download and extension pages, below the generic TDF one. Multiple
NGOs per native-lang category can apply, and are listed in order of
application.

Listed NGOs are reviewed after one year.

Let's have this approved as a preliminary rule, and refine it during
the LibreOffice conference.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten



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Re: [tdf-discuss] donation button on German download page

[André Schnabel]

Hi Drew,


Am 20.09.2011 19:53, schrieb drew:

(lot's of usefull comment :) )


To be clear though - in general I do not think having direct donation
requests on LibreOffice pages for external organizations is wise, though
I do think TDF/LibreOffice pages should include links to external
organization websites where appropriate ( and IMO should be fairly
liberal in defining appropriate )


after all I think, we (means you an me, not speaking for others here)  
have quite the same ideas on the matter. So thanks for clarification.


regards,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Navigation Toolbar Help

[André Schnabel]

Hi Rainer,

Am 28.06.2011 06:46, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld:
> Hi,
>
> die anyone ever see a Help for the new Navigation Bar?
> 


there is some help for it:
http://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Navigation

But it seems not to cover the behaviour described in the bug report.
(btw. I can not reproduce the bug report here, using LibO 3.3 or my own
build from current master.)

regards,

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[steering-discuss] MC-meeting minutes 2011-06-16

[André Schnabel]

Hi,

meeting minutes are at the wiki:
 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-06-16

(Cor, Fridrich - please edit the wiki, if I forgot something important.)

I'll inform the approved members (and rejected applicants) within the 
next few hours and update the website after that.


regards,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] OpenOffice.org Summit Proposal

[André Schnabel]

Hi,

I almost forgot about that, as it is not a summit but may be the 
earliest date for a meeting.

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DE/QAWochenende2011

So if some of you live rather close to Essen/Germany you may join us 
there. It would be helpfull to understand / speak German, as it is a 
meeting of the German community members. We used to have this as annual 
meeting with focus on QA and localization for some years now. But it is 
always a nice event to get to know each other, have barbecue, pizza and 
beer (or whatever you like ;) )


If you like to join, please notify Jacqueline and prefferable 
disc...@de.libreoffice.org. There are still some places left to stay 
overnight (but please be aware the we only have double rooms).


regards,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[André Schnabel]

Hi Jim,


Am 08.06.2011 18:25, schrieb Jim Jagielski:


It's possible, sure, but if the ASF were to do this, then I
would expect that they/we would spent quite a bit of time
determining the "best" place for it... Not saying that it's
not TDF, but who knows... Not a slam against TDF at all,
just an honest statement that we don't know where it would
go.


I see no problem in that statement, as it is just what you say: honest.

But a mail before you wrote:

... There are people who see TDF's resistance to working with the ASF ...


I do not see, that this resistance really exists for two reasons:

1st
It is up to the individuals to bring a project forward, so the TDF as 
abstract entity would do very abstract work only. If you have a look at 
the recent discussions, you may notice that many TDF members already 
gave a lot of input and helped Apache to make a good decision. I 
personally would consider this as "working together" (at least as a 
first step).


2nd
I hope I'm allowed to be as honest as you are. I don't feel that ASF is 
"the best place" for the OOo trademark and source code. But I still 
consider Apache as "a good place" - so imho we are at a quite even level 
(unless you want to tell that TDF would be a really "bad" place for the 
OOo assets ;) ).



regards,

André

(PS.: same rule here as at the Apache lists: I'm speaking as individual 
- not as "TDF")




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Re: [tdf-discuss] RE: Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

[André Schnabel]

Hi,


Am 04.06.2011 18:41, schrieb Ian Lynch:

On 4 June 2011 17:29, Gianluca Turconiwrote:

Is it sure there will be a *product*?


I think IBM need it for symphony so on those grounds alone I'd say there
will be code licensed so that it can be used in that product as a minimum.



Let me rephrase to: "Will there be a product named OpenOffice.org?"

I cannot answer, but as Gianluca mentioned Apache is more about a 
project, not a product.  And considering the OOo dependencies to 
copyleft components, it will be quite a lot of work to get something 
that can be called "product" and behaves like OpenOffice.org.


It is obvious that there will be a product called "Symphony" .. but 
"OpenOffice.org"?


regards,

André

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[steering-discuss] Re: TDF/LO, what is the art of the possible?

[André Schnabel]

Hi Rob,

I don't want to leave this unanswered, although I very likely cannot 
provide the answers
you like to get ... (steering-discuss in cc, so that other SC memebers 
might agree or

disagree)

Am 04.06.2011 02:09, schrieb robert_w...@us.ibm.com:

If someone on the list from TDF is authorized to answer this (or can get
such authorization), I'd appreciate an official stance on the following
questions.  This would help us understand what room there is for
negotiation and what is not worth discussing at all.


In your questionary, the questions to me seem to be of two kinds:

1) questions that are targeted to individuals actions (sign Apache CLA, 
contribute

code to Apache as well as to TDF ...)

2) fundamental questions on TDF (join Apache and consolidate there, 
choose a name

for the product ...)


Regarding 1) - those questions need to go to the individuals. I (no one) 
can answer this
on their behalf. What I can do is to state, that such discussion are 
already ongoing on
one or the other list at TDF, but individuals do what individuals like 
to do - one choose

this way, one the other.


Regarding 2) - Even if you suggest in a later mail that TDF is young, 
small and should
therefore be "flexible" in taking decisions - I feel not authorized to 
give an answer. And

I would veto if the SC would be pressed for such a statement (in any case).

We curently count close to 100 project members according to our bylaws 
(and we are
verifying some more applications). Substantial questions on what TDF 
should do (as
an organization) should be discussed by those members at large. I would 
even suggest
to have a vote by our community members - but at the moment I do not 
feel that it

is the correct time to go this way.

btw. I very much share William's points in the later mails.

regards,

André


For "willing to consider it", I mean in the context of a negotiation where
there is some give and take.  I'm not asking if you're willing to do this
for nothing.  I just want to understand what are the deal breakers and
where we should be focusing discussions.

I'm not interested in debating these questions in this thread, aside from
clarifications.  We're debating these issues in other threads.  I'm just
trying to see if we can agree on which of these directions, if any, is
likely to be fruitful and which ones, if any, are fundamentally impossible
for TDF/LO.

I think we've given straightforward answers on where ASF is flexible and
where it cannot budge.  I'd welcome similar clarity from TDF/LO, in the
spirit of moving forward these discussions.

Regards,

-Rob





1) Require Apache 2.0 licence for future contributions to LO, possibly in
addition with other compatible licenses.

a) Not willing to consider it

b) Willing to consider it


2) Encourage and facilitate TDF members signing an Apache CLA on their
past LO contributions

a) Not willing to consider it

b) Willing to consider it


3) Encourage and facilitate TDF members contributing their work to both
Apache and TDF under respective licenses

a) Not willing to consider it

b) Willing to consider it


4) Join Apache and do the core development work there, with LibreOffice
being a downstream consumer of the core, collaborating closely with Apache
via patches, defect reports, etc.

a) Not willing to consider it

b) Willing to consider it


5) Join Apache and consolidate all development there,  under the name
OpenOffice

a) Not willing to consider it

b) Willing to consider it


6) Join Apache and consolidate all development there,  under the name
LibreOffice.

a) Not willing to consider it

b) Willing to consider it


7) Join Apache and consolidate all development there,  under the name ODF
Suite.

a) Not willing to consider it

b) Willing to consider it



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Re: [steering-discuss] Trademark Policy of the Document Foundation

[André Schnabel]

Hi Michael,

Am 21.01.2011 15:21, schrieb Michael Meeks:


So I suggest we add a clarification of both of these to the end of the
"Non permitted use section".

"Thus uses of the Marks in a domain name, or business name
 without explicit written permission from TDF are prohibited."


just to get this right: "business name" means name of a product, 
service, company, organization

or similar. E.g. "LibreOffice Premium Support" would not be allowed.
But it is allowed to use the trademarks, describing your business 
service as "We are XYZ Ltd.,

providing Support for LibreOffice "




So - do people have problems with any of that ?


No .. means +1 to the modifications.

regards,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Discussing basic QA processes

[André Schnabel]

Hi,


I just realized, that Thorsten initiated a quite similar discussion at 
the developer list today:

http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2010-November/002441.html

so it might be good to join this discussion.

regards,

André

Am 11.11.2010 19:31, schrieb André Schnabel:

Hi,


Am 11.11.2010 18:34, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld:

I can take the same role as I used to do at OOo.


So if anybody is willing to help with this (establishing and later
work within these processes). we might build a small team and then
discuss the issue.


May be we open some Task-Issues at FreeDesktop Bugzilla how to 
improve the system? I am pretty sure that that will work if 
interested people (with permissions for (FreeDesktop Bugzilla) will 
watch that Issues. I will think about this issue and Initiate such 
Bugzilla improvement process during following weekend.


This would be great. I'm away at saturday and available from Sunday 
late afternoon on I'd guess, but I hope, I can help somehow as well.


I know, that Sophie and thorsten might be interested in this topic as 
well (and I really hope, others would join).


thanks and regards,

André




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[tdf-discuss] Discussing basic QA processes (was: FreeDesktop Bugzilla)

[André Schnabel]

Hi,


Am 11.11.2010 18:34, schrieb Rainer Bielefeld:

I can take the same role as I used to do at OOo.


So if anybody is willing to help with this (establishing and later
work within these processes). we might build a small team and then
discuss the issue.


May be we open some Task-Issues at FreeDesktop Bugzilla how to improve 
the system? I am pretty sure that that will work if interested people 
(with permissions for (FreeDesktop Bugzilla) will watch that Issues. I 
will think about this issue and Initiate such Bugzilla improvement 
process during following weekend.


This would be great. I'm away at saturday and available from Sunday late 
afternoon on I'd guess, but I hope, I can help somehow as well.


I know, that Sophie and thorsten might be interested in this topic as 
well (and I really hope, others would join).


thanks and regards,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO document format: strict ODF or extended ODF?

[André Schnabel]

Hi,

Am 31.10.2010 11:40, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:


my question is rather simple: will LibO use in the future versions 
(post 3.3) a ODF strict format or an extended one?


We are going to do the same as OOo did. Default would be ODF 1.2 
extendend (to allow e.g. comments in Impress, additional slide 
transitions, more border styles ...) but ODF 1.2 (strict) by be enabled 
in the Options dialogue. Extendend features will the either be not 
available or converted to match de strict standard.


At the same time people here will work with ODF to make those extended 
features part of the next ODF standard (an befor this can happen, you 
need an implementation of the new features anyway ;) ).


Regards,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

[André Schnabel]

Hi,


Am 19.10.2010 20:10, schrieb Marc Paré:



Hierarchy:


We need to talk about Hirachy for sure but ...




The Document Foundation is the umbrella group where all projects answer
to it. Presently, under this umbrella, there is only 1 project:
LibreOffice. There is however, the potential for further project
development that could be added later under TDF umbrella.

The LibreOffice project is a project under the TDF umbrella and will
provide 2-3 representatives (either by meritocracy or community vote)
who sit on the SC in an advisory capacity. This clearly defines the
membership of the LibO project.


this just moves the problem from defining a "TDF-member" to the problem 
of defining a "LibO-project-member".


regards,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

[André Schnabel]

Hi,


Am 19.10.2010 16:11, schrieb Gianluca Turconi:

In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:43:01, Sebastian Spaeth
 ha scritto:


Fully agree. Compare the OpenStreetMap Foundation. They have about
30,000 active contributors, aka community members, but around 250
or so active foundation members. Membership is formally
acknowledged


That's what I meant.

Informal membership and right of vote are things that don't sound
well in the same sentence.

And a formal membership should include something more that simply
having contributed.



I like to understand but I still don't get the point here.

Reading The OpenStreetmap Membership paragraphs I see:


You can help and support us by becoming a member of the OpenStreetMap
Foundation. The membership fee is £15 per year and enables you to
influence the direction of OpenStreetMap by being able to vote in
elections for officers of the foundation.


This just means that I can "buy in"? I agree, that this is definately 
formal - but how does this help have the foundation act in favour of 
it's projects?


Still - I try to understand.

André




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Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Meeting minutes at the wiki

[André Schnabel]

Hi,


Am 18.10.2010 19:13, schrieb Marc Paré:


as the planet is actually in place - you suggest to blog the minutes in
parallel? .. well .. I think, we can do this.




Are you thinking of posting to different sites?


No minutes should stay at the wiki, but we can announce the availabity 
through several ressources.



I would prefer if the
minutes were posted only on one site. People will get used to going to
that particular site. I also would prefer to see it on the planet. It
just seems like the most logical place.


Yes - sounds logical. But I feel we would need some kind of secretary 
post all this stuff and keep people informed (I know, Michael Meeks will 
hate me for this :) ).


Anyway - I'll look, if we can/should have a Steering Committee blog for 
all SC members (would be confusing, if SC-minutes are posted at 
different blogs, even if they are all visible at the palanet - imho).


André

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[tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define "Membership" within TDF?

[André Schnabel]

Hi,

as you all know, we are working to make The Document Foundation an 
independent self-governing meritocratic Foundation. This Foundation 
should be lead by it's members, based on their merit.


One of the very basic questions to answer is:
  "Who is a member at TDF."

Well - we (the Steering Committee) do not have a detailed answer on 
this, as we think that the voice of our contributors should be respected 
for this very important topic. So we want to discuss this here, before 
we come to a decision.


To get things started, I put some notes at the wiki:
   http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership

These are initial thoughts, but I hope, you get the idea, what we are 
heading for. Please read and send comments to the mailinglist 
(discuss@documentfoundation.org). For the first days I would not suggest 
to go deeply into details - we should get the general picture first 
(e.g. the very basic principles).


For discussion please use this mailinglist and try to keep the thread 
alive. If a new thread is started, please add at least the tag [SC] and 
the word "Membership" in the subject.


I'm looking forward to a constructive discussion,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

[André Schnabel]

Hi,


Am 17.10.2010 21:58, schrieb Per Eriksson:


If we think that we indeed have a better community model and software
development model, our best way of showing that is by demonstrating how
it is supposed to work. The ongoing discussions about old, bad working
models will only take our energy when getting our new version out.



I'll try to start the discussion tomorrow. Just need to review my 
initial notes on the topic.



BTW.: I did attend a meeting of the German Ubuntu Localization team 
today. They have great stories about their job to get different upstream 
translations "fit" on their desktop. One of the stories was that teams 
from two desktops (don't remember if it was Gnome vs. KDE or GNome vs. 
XFCE or whatever) could not come to an agreement if the trash bin shold 
be translated as "Papierkorb" or "Mülleimer". The discussion went that 
bad, that those teams did not speak to each other for a while. And even 
now, they do not seem to speak, because on whatever they need to agree 
upon, they first start to battle on the "trash bin desaster". :)


regards,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Events

[André Schnabel]

HI,


Am 14.10.2010 20:05, schrieb Florian Effenberger:

Hi,

Find out where to meet The Document Foundation and members of the
Community: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events


Just looked at the page - it looks very "German" 

Everyone is invited to change this :)

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki

[André Schnabel]

Hi,


Am 13.10.2010 18:32, schrieb Peter Tholstrup:


As I'm brand new here (merit-score = zero :), I apologize if the
following is either misunderstood or not relevant:

The way I see it, formally approved documents are static, and once
approved should not be edited by anybody - Steering Committee members or
not.


Correct.


Therefore I do not think it is appropriate from a governance
perspective to have direct and potentially ambiguous 'copies' of formal
documents as wiki pages. Could it be worth considering that significant
formal documents like the manifesto would have their own wiki pages with
a backround/brief description, maybe even extracts, and then a link to
the 'real' document in a non-editable format (pdf or whatever will make
it most easily accessible)?


This is what actually happened - we have the manifesto as pdf at our 
website. In fact formal approved documents should go to the tdf website, 
not to the wiki.

For today it was just easier for me to access the wiki.


 Another wiki page could then be a Steering
Committee 'log' page, which gives a quick overview of the continuous
work of the committee with links to more in-depth wiki pages as well as
formal documents...


Absolutely agree (but formal documents should not stay forever at the 
wiki and rather be moved to the website).


This was just the first start. We need to have minutes, some backround 
info on SC ... at the wiki.


regards,

André


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Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Steering Committee Info at the wiki

[André Schnabel]

Hi,


Am 13.10.2010 17:31, schrieb Benjamin Horst:


I have found that you can hack most any tool to work, more or less,
but you'll be more efficient and effective if you plan it out better
first! :)


Oh - u fully agree on this, but ..



When trying to attract new community members, any little impediment
can affect their willingness to join and participate. And regular,
tiny frustrations can sometimes tire out even the most stalwart
contributors.


Frustration often comes from being faced with to many restrictions. ;)

So - we need somehow both.

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André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Question on Libo apps names

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Hi,


Am 10.10.2010 09:51, schrieb Valter Mura:

Hi All,

maybe it is a stupid question or someone already raised it.

Will the names of the single apps inside LibreOffice be the same?


Why should we change the names? No -there are currently no plans to do so.

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] just a greeting from ja and qa project lead

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Hi Maho,

Am 10.10.2010 03:41, schrieb Maho NAKATA:

Hi Folks,

I'll do the best.


It's great to have you here - warm welcome from my side. :)

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] QA Infrastructure

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Hi,


Am 09.10.2010 05:00, schrieb Caio Tiago Oliveira:


Also, I don't know if there is someone here that knows how to write
the testtool scripts here contributing with this project.


The question is if we have someone willing to learn this. The 
dosumentation for the scripts is quite good. With some knowledge about 
OOo Basic UNO and LibO in general should be able to modifiy the scripts 
within a week and write own scripts after a month or so.




Integrating without testing could be dangerous and for a few people
testing every branch (CWS) it would be boring. We can leave this
discussion for latter, but for now testtool is not one of the most
important things on QA, since we can test everything manually.


We should leave the most boring tasks to automation. But please let's 
never ever fall in the trap that "automated testing will detect all 
regressions" again. The effort to create, maintain and analyze the 
results of complex tests scripts is (imho) in no relation to the benefit.


For the start it would be very helpful to adopt the release tests, so 
that they do not fail at those points, where LibO has improved 
functionality.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] QA Infrastructure

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Hi,


Am 07.10.2010 19:10, schrieb Per Eriksson:


This may not the most important thing for the first release, but in the
long run QATrack would serve as a dashboard for the different statuses
for different rc's for different languages. If we want to use it, I
would be happy to set it up for you. The prerequisite is a server to put
it on, which I could find out.


Just use the servers you already know for QATrack testing and productive 
use. :)


(did you ever do a whois on www.documentfoundation.org? :) )

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Re: [tdf-discuss] QA Infrastructure

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Hi Thorsten, *

Am 07.10.2010 10:25, schrieb Thorsten Behrens:



I'd prefer if we do the 3.3 release in a somewhat lightweight
fashion, and add tools as we go (and decide that we need them) - I
know that the OpenOffice.org QA project has things like QATrack,
QUASTe, and TCM - but I wonder which of those pass the test of "we
really need it, and it's worth the effort to duplicate it/set it
up".

What do you think?


I think, we are quite good prepared for the start. What is missing are 
some tools to collect if someone did test something at all. We might use 
Wiki or mailinglist for this.


For all the tools (I'd say, we need something like TCM, QUASTE to 
collect automated tests results and maybe QATrack), we should make sure 
that we keep them simple so that many people are able to work with the 
tools (there are many low hanging fruits for testers we should not make 
it complicated). That said - tehre is unfortunately nothing "ready to 
use" afaik.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Meeting in northern Germany

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Hi,

I'll be there :)

André


Am 05.10.2010 21:38, schrieb Volker Merschmann:

Hi again,

the meeting date has been moved to Oktober, 29th

Volker

2010/10/3 Volker Merschmann:

Hi there,

we would like to invite to have an informal meeting ("Stammtisch") in
northern germany.
Hannover has been chosen because of the good railway and street
connection in all directions.

Date:
15. Oktober 2010 from 18:00

Location:
"Alexander" http://www.alexander-hannover.de/
Prinzenstrasse 10/Ecke Alexanderstrasse, 30159 Hannover
Can be reached from the railway station by foot

Interested participants should let me know as I have to book table and se

ats.


Hope to see you there

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[tdf-discuss] New Mailinglist: l...@libreoffice.org

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Hi,

the mailing list for translation related work l...@libreoffice.org is up 
and running.


Subscription works as for the other lists:
  l10n+subscr...@libreoffice.org
  l10n+subscribe-dig...@libreoffice.org
Archives at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/l10n/

For all who are interested in translating LibO, workflows, setting up 
the inital infrastructure ... please subscribe to the list.


As we are translators and our workflow is related to the development, 
please subscribe to libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org as well. This 
might help to get a common understanding of developer and translators :)



For people who are waiting for more lists: they will be created soon.

regards,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEB] Online petition images

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Hi Goran,


Am 03.10.2010 14:53, schrieb Goran Rakic:

What happened to the images following the online petition
http://petitionspot.com/petitions/documentfoundation ?

There is a Tux with Ubuntu logo, some guy, something like "Oadev"
logo,... all in a low resolution? Where are hi-res LibO screens?


Seems as if petitionspot was not the best joice for the petition :(

We have no influence on the pictures -  Guy already tried to get in 
touch with the site maintainers, without success so far.


regards,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-discuss] [WEB] interim structuring - a proposal

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Hi,


Am 03.10.2010 00:21, schrieb Dr. Bernhard Dippold:


There are some threads about bugs here on the list, and as long as
there is no bugzilla enabled with an easy frontend, I think we'll see
more of them here.



Oh, Bugzilla *is* enabled:
   https://bugs.freedesktop.org
Product: LibreOffice

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Re: [tdf-discuss] User participation - bugtracking

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Hi,


Am 02.10.2010 22:07, schrieb Friedrich Strohmaier:



I heavily support this idea. I also saw different bugtracking systems.
None of them can serve users, because all are developer tools to manage
bugs and enhancement requests in a effective way. Thus each of them has
to represent the complexity of that task. There always will be needed
human filtering to avoid messed up bugtracking systems and
developers. No problem with an enthusiastic Community ;o)).


So I read this correctly and you volunteer as bug-filter? :)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] [FAQ] new entries (here: CA/JCA/SCA)

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Hi,


Am 02.10.2010 21:25, schrieb Robert Sedak:


For example,
I signed contract with Sun Microsystems.
Oracle has bought Sun Microsystems.
I contribute Croatian translation to OOo.
Same content + new translation I contribute to LibO.
Can I be sued?


No. Even if you signed a copyright agreement (either the JCA or most 
recent SCA) you have the right whatever you want to do with your 
contributions.


As the translation strings of OOo are under LGPL (as well as the code) 
it is allowed to reuse this in LibO. But I'd recommend that existing 
translations should be handled via SourceCode management (we will 
include latest changes from OOo soon) and then you start contributing 
new strings at LibO (as soon as we have set up our own infrastructure).


regards,

André

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Re: [tdf-discuss] [Legalese] "Foundation" or "Group"?

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Hi Drew, Doug,


Am 02.10.2010 06:32, schrieb Drew Jensen:



Agreed - and to put it simply, then let's start the process of starting
such an organization.



You are welcome, and I think, there is real need for an organization in US.

But (just advice from someone who is co-founder of two such 
organizations) - find the people to support your idea first.
So look for community, talk with the people, get an idea how all of you 
want the ngo to be established and then simply do ;)


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[tdf-discuss] Looking for OHLO-manager

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Hi,

Cédric did kindly set up LibreOffice enlistments at ohloh yesterday:
https://www.ohloh.net/p/libreoffice

Curretly I registered as manager just to block other people from taking 
it over. But I'd be happy if someone would join me as manger who has 
more insight on the repositories.


btw: I'd be happy for registered users and contributors telling who they 
are as well ;)


regards,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Question about localized web pages

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Hi,


Am 01.10.2010 13:10, schrieb Takashi NAKAMOTO:


I'm deeply sorry for sending the same messages. That's my fault.
But, it doesn't mean I urge prompt answers nor a concrete action :)
I can easily imagine that founders are very busy at the moment.
Moreover, I respect the great works done by them.


Thanks, but compared to what a whole community is able to do, we just 
have done nothing ;)




The intention of my question is to know whether there is a plan or an
ongoing work to create localized web pages does or not, so that we can
be ready for assistance and translation, or we can just wait until it
comes to be published.


At the moment we have just a very basic infrastructure for the website. 
Not really prepared for the needs of native lang teams. But we will at 
least set up some mailing lists, so that we have more focus  in the 
discusisons.


I hope, we can provide a wiki soon - although this also would be just a 
starting point.


regards,

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Re: [tdf-discuss] Join in of the TechTeam from OpenOffice.org Switzerland

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Hi,

Am 30.09.2010 00:22, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:



As far as I know, the QATrack sources for 1.0 and 2.0 (but I cannot find
the most recent ones there) were contributed to the QA CVS repository:
http://qa.openoffice.org/source/browse/qa/qatrack/ and actually
http://qatrack.services.openoffice.org/about.php still points to it (see
footer).


I don'T know, if all the soures are in a code repository. At least they 
are on our (OOoDeV's) server, as we actually host the production QATrack.


André

PS.: I'm not sure about the status of quaste.
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Re: [tdf-discuss] monetary donations

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Hi,


Am 29.09.2010 17:02, schrieb John Wohn:


http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ provides a way to
donate money but I'd like to know what the money would be used for.
Is there any public budget or business plan?  Public accounting or
financial statements?


No detailed plan at the moment. We currently use the money where it is 
urgently needed. So far costs for domain registrition, server hosting,

bandwith, trademark and legal advice are covered.

We will surely need more money for better infrastructure and once this 
is done, we might start to pay people to maintain the infrastructure and 
make developer's live easier (currrently all this is done on a voluntary 
basis).




I'm also hesitant to donate to anything called OpenOffice because I
don't want to send money to Oracle :)


No - Oracle is not involved. OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V. is a German 
non-profit initiated by volunteers from the Germanophone project years 
ago. You will find all the board members of the association at the list 
of the founding members of the Document Foundation :)


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Old welcome message after installing LibreOffice

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Hi,

Am 28.09.2010 19:01, schrieb Christopher Avila:

Why the welcome message (that is shown after installing LibreOffice)
is the same as the one that comes in OpenOffice (with the Oracle
logo)?


this should not be the case (and has not been in our tests).

Can you provide a screenshot (send it directly to 
andre.schna...@documentfoundation.org ) and tell on what platform you 
are using LibreOffice?


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Re: [tdf-discuss] User guides for OOo / LibreOffice

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Hi Jean,


Am 28.09.2010 14:45, schrieb Jean Hollis Weber:

I was glad to see the announcement of The Document Foundation.


And we are glad to read all the positive feedback - you are welcome :)




As Co-Lead of OOo Documentation, working mainly with the user guides
produced by the OOoAuthors group, I would certainly like to see our user
guides made part of the LibreOffice documentation set. Therefore I have
some practical questions and comments.

1) The website states "All text and image content on
documentfoundation.org or libreoffice.org, unless otherwise specified,
is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0
License." Does the Foundation intend for community user docs to be under
the same license? I ask because the user guides are currently under dual
GPL3/CC-BY3, not CC-BY-SA3.


I think, we should sort this out within the next weeks. Imho it is not 
very usefull to change all the documentation licenses, just because we 
put a CC-BY-SA3 on the (currently limited) content of our website.


Actually we are at the very beginning of our "public existence" and we 
need to work on several topics. Maybe Bernhard (who worked on the OOo 
trademark policy) and Christoph (who created the logos) can discuss this.




2) To make the existing guides part of the LibreOffice docs, they will
need some amendment. Previous notes on this list talked about code
strings; unfortunately, we have never put appropriate variables into the
user guides to enable easy changes of name. In addition, some other
information (reference to support,extensions, etc) will need to be
changed. Who will be expected to do this work? These are community docs,
and the OOoAuthors group is part of the community, so I suppose we
should do it.


I would suppose to wait for some days before you start. We should give 
Oracle the chance to answer our invitation. If they join us and we can 
use the OpenOffice.org brand, there would be no need to change anything.


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Re: [tdf-discuss] Hallo und Danke

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Hi


Am 28.09.2010 00:36, schrieb Erich Christian:


is this an english or a german list actually?


It is actually a english list.

We will set up more (native-lang, developer, general ...) lists if 
necessary.


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