[OSGeo-Discuss] Ideas for a future OSGeo Board

[Cameron Shorter]

I've had a number of people reach out to me privately, related to the 
upcoming OSGeo Board elections. I'm experiencing community members being 
thoughtful and considered, as well as being respectful and sensitive to 
people's feelings and mindful of current relationships.


Over the upcoming weekend, and before OSGeo Board election starts, I'll 
be compiling my thoughts. I'll be considering the feedback I've been 
provided. I will respect privacy and not mention names of people from 
whom I'm collating ideas from.


Feel free to privately email me ideas you feel I should consider.

Warm regards,

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] elections 2017: proposal to postpone opening of the polling stations

[Jody Garnett]

Thanks Vasile,

I was concerned we had stuffed things up by not acting in a timely fashion
I am glad the election is not disrupted. I concur that the board has no
input into the process, unless asked by the CRO to review candidates
flagged for discussion (which did not occur.)


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On 13 October 2017 at 12:19, Vasile Craciunescu 
wrote:

> Hi Jody, Gert-Jan, Maxi, Steven and others,
>
> I will start with Jody's message. It's true that the charter members list
> on the OSGeo website was updated only yesterday. However, this has no
> impact on the voting system which is not using the web page list but the
> tables from OSGeo Dropbox account. Those files were updated the second day
> after the end of the nomination process. Regarding the board approval of
> the new charter member list I would like to make a comment. The board was
> asked to formally approve the result of the nomination process. That means
> that the board acknowledge that the nomination process was carried out
> according with the rules. The board has no right to reject an individual
> membership if the nomination process was correct.
>
> Regarding the request to extent the initial election calendar. Although
> personally I had no problem in grasping the information from coming from
> Jeff, I agree that some time may be required if new discussions will spark
> (especially because weekend started). However, I think we already had too
> much traffic on the discuss mailing list with this topic and this can scare
> some of our recipients. I'm ready to extend the deadline with *two days*
> but only to give a chance to people that are leaving for the weekend to
> read the emails and, eventually, respond. Please don't make this thread
> personally and refrain from posting redundant information.
>
> Best,
> Vasile
> CRO 2017
>
> On 10/13/17 8:44 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>
>> Gert-Jan:
>>
>> More seriously although the nomination process for members was completed,
>> and accepted by the board, the list of voting members was only updated last
>> night.
>>
>> I would be happy to formally request the CRO for an extension for one
>> week - as we have some 70 individuals who have not been able to participate
>> this week!
>>
>> I note that the CRO is an independent officer and these elections are in
>> full swing. So while the board may make a formal request we have to respect
>> the independence of the role.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:21 AM Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl) <
>> gert-...@osgeo.nl > wrote:
>>
>> Dear CRO (and Board Member nominees, and fellow voting members),
>>
>> In the original planning for the 2017 elections, the campaign week
>> would
>> end this Sunday, and the virtual polling stations would open their
>> virtual door this Monday.
>> However, over the last 2 hours our mailboxes have been flooded by a
>> large number of mails, that now only answer question posed earlier
>> this
>> week, but of course also raise new questions.
>>
>> To me, two important values of our organisation are openness and
>> discussion. The fact our mailing list is called "discuss" is a fine
>> example of that!
>>
>> Therefore, I would like to ask the CRO to extend the campaign week, in
>> order for all voter to be able to read all the mail, think their
>> content
>> over, form an opinion, and discuss that opinion with others. The
>> insights Jeff has brought us today are simply too much too think over
>> and mentally process in just one weekend. One has got to have a day
>> off
>> with our friend as family as well. don't we?
>>
>>
>> I don't don't if I ((as a Charter Member) can make this as a formal
>> motion, but I'm almost sure that no-one involved in this election will
>> object. (OK, the nominees will have to cross their fingers a few days
>> longer to see if they will be elected. Sorry for that). All for the
>> good
>> of the democratic process and the openness of our Foundation!
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Gert-Jan
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] elections 2017: proposal to postpone opening of the polling stations

[Vasile Craciunescu]

Hi Jody, Gert-Jan, Maxi, Steven and others,

I will start with Jody's message. It's true that the charter members 
list on the OSGeo website was updated only yesterday. However, this has 
no impact on the voting system which is not using the web page list but 
the tables from OSGeo Dropbox account. Those files were updated the 
second day after the end of the nomination process. Regarding the board 
approval of the new charter member list I would like to make a comment. 
The board was asked to formally approve the result of the nomination 
process. That means that the board acknowledge that the nomination 
process was carried out according with the rules. The board has no right 
to reject an individual membership if the nomination process was correct.


Regarding the request to extent the initial election calendar. Although 
personally I had no problem in grasping the information from coming from 
Jeff, I agree that some time may be required if new discussions will 
spark (especially because weekend started). However, I think we already 
had too much traffic on the discuss mailing list with this topic and 
this can scare some of our recipients. I'm ready to extend the deadline 
with *two days* but only to give a chance to people that are leaving for 
the weekend to read the emails and, eventually, respond. Please don't 
make this thread personally and refrain from posting redundant information.


Best,
Vasile
CRO 2017

On 10/13/17 8:44 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:

Gert-Jan:

More seriously although the nomination process for members was 
completed, and accepted by the board, the list of voting members was 
only updated last night.


I would be happy to formally request the CRO for an extension for one 
week - as we have some 70 individuals who have not been able to 
participate this week!


I note that the CRO is an independent officer and these elections are in 
full swing. So while the board may make a formal request we have to 
respect the independence of the role.


On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:21 AM Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl) 
> wrote:


Dear CRO (and Board Member nominees, and fellow voting members),

In the original planning for the 2017 elections, the campaign week would
end this Sunday, and the virtual polling stations would open their
virtual door this Monday.
However, over the last 2 hours our mailboxes have been flooded by a
large number of mails, that now only answer question posed earlier this
week, but of course also raise new questions.

To me, two important values of our organisation are openness and
discussion. The fact our mailing list is called "discuss" is a fine
example of that!

Therefore, I would like to ask the CRO to extend the campaign week, in
order for all voter to be able to read all the mail, think their content
over, form an opinion, and discuss that opinion with others. The
insights Jeff has brought us today are simply too much too think over
and mentally process in just one weekend. One has got to have a day off
with our friend as family as well. don't we?


I don't don't if I ((as a Charter Member) can make this as a formal
motion, but I'm almost sure that no-one involved in this election will
object. (OK, the nominees will have to cross their fingers a few days
longer to see if they will be elected. Sorry for that). All for the good
of the democratic process and the openness of our Foundation!


Kind regards,

Gert-Jan
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] elections 2017: proposal to postpone opening of the polling stations

[Jody Garnett]

Gert-Jan:

More seriously although the nomination process for members was completed,
and accepted by the board, the list of voting members was only updated last
night.

I would be happy to formally request the CRO for an extension for one week
- as we have some 70 individuals who have not been able to participate this
week!

I note that the CRO is an independent officer and these elections are in
full swing. So while the board may make a formal request we have to respect
the independence of the role.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 11:21 AM Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl) <
gert-...@osgeo.nl> wrote:

> Dear CRO (and Board Member nominees, and fellow voting members),
>
> In the original planning for the 2017 elections, the campaign week would
> end this Sunday, and the virtual polling stations would open their
> virtual door this Monday.
> However, over the last 2 hours our mailboxes have been flooded by a
> large number of mails, that now only answer question posed earlier this
> week, but of course also raise new questions.
>
> To me, two important values of our organisation are openness and
> discussion. The fact our mailing list is called "discuss" is a fine
> example of that!
>
> Therefore, I would like to ask the CRO to extend the campaign week, in
> order for all voter to be able to read all the mail, think their content
> over, form an opinion, and discuss that opinion with others. The
> insights Jeff has brought us today are simply too much too think over
> and mentally process in just one weekend. One has got to have a day off
> with our friend as family as well. don't we?
>
>
> I don't don't if I ((as a Charter Member) can make this as a formal
> motion, but I'm almost sure that no-one involved in this election will
> object. (OK, the nominees will have to cross their fingers a few days
> longer to see if they will be elected. Sorry for that). All for the good
> of the democratic process and the openness of our Foundation!
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Gert-Jan
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] elections 2017: proposal to postpone opening of the polling stations

[Massimiliano Cannata]

Dear Cro,
I'd like you keep the deadlines as planned and don't change the rules after
the game started. Candidates and charter members knew the time frame and
managed their time accordingly.
I suggest to keep it as lesson learned and eventually update the next
elections with extended time.

Best
Maxi

Il 13 ott 2017 8:21 PM, "Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl)" <
gert-...@osgeo.nl> ha scritto:

> Dear CRO (and Board Member nominees, and fellow voting members),
>
> In the original planning for the 2017 elections, the campaign week would
> end this Sunday, and the virtual polling stations would open their virtual
> door this Monday.
> However, over the last 2 hours our mailboxes have been flooded by a large
> number of mails, that now only answer question posed earlier this week, but
> of course also raise new questions.
>
> To me, two important values of our organisation are openness and
> discussion. The fact our mailing list is called "discuss" is a fine example
> of that!
>
> Therefore, I would like to ask the CRO to extend the campaign week, in
> order for all voter to be able to read all the mail, think their content
> over, form an opinion, and discuss that opinion with others. The insights
> Jeff has brought us today are simply too much too think over and mentally
> process in just one weekend. One has got to have a day off with our friend
> as family as well. don't we?
>
>
> I don't don't if I ((as a Charter Member) can make this as a formal
> motion, but I'm almost sure that no-one involved in this election will
> object. (OK, the nominees will have to cross their fingers a few days
> longer to see if they will be elected. Sorry for that). All for the good of
> the democratic process and the openness of our Foundation!
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Gert-Jan
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] elections 2017: proposal to postpone opening of the polling stations

[Steven Feldman]

Excellent suggestion +1 from me

Regards
Steven



Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Oct 2017, at 19:21, Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl) 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear CRO (and Board Member nominees, and fellow voting members),
> 
> In the original planning for the 2017 elections, the campaign week would end 
> this Sunday, and the virtual polling stations would open their virtual door 
> this Monday.
> However, over the last 2 hours our mailboxes have been flooded by a large 
> number of mails, that now only answer question posed earlier this week, but 
> of course also raise new questions.
> 
> To me, two important values of our organisation are openness and discussion. 
> The fact our mailing list is called "discuss" is a fine example of that!
> 
> Therefore, I would like to ask the CRO to extend the campaign week, in order 
> for all voter to be able to read all the mail, think their content over, form 
> an opinion, and discuss that opinion with others. The insights Jeff has 
> brought us today are simply too much too think over and mentally process in 
> just one weekend. One has got to have a day off with our friend as family as 
> well. don't we?
> 
> 
> I don't don't if I ((as a Charter Member) can make this as a formal motion, 
> but I'm almost sure that no-one involved in this election will object. (OK, 
> the nominees will have to cross their fingers a few days longer to see if 
> they will be elected. Sorry for that). All for the good of the democratic 
> process and the openness of our Foundation!
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Gert-Jan
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

[Venkatesh Raghavan]

Hi Gert-Jan and all,

On 10/13/2017 1:00 AM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl wrote:

I hope that Dirk, Venga and Jeff will take the opportunity to add their 
manifestos as well before the end of this campaign week.


My write-up for the up-coming board election is now available
at 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017_Candidate_Manifestos#Venkatesh_Raghavan



= And one to all of you:

Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.

For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do you 
think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents / languages as 
possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent (not counting for 
Antarctica, ha!)


I think the board should strive to incorporate multicultural perspectives,
where ever that may come from (could even come from someone
working at the permanent Antarctica basecamp, ha!).

Cheers and best of luck to all the nominees.

Best

Venka



  

  


Wishing you all the best and success in your campaigns,

  

  


Gert-Jan

  

  

  


[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017_Candidate_Manifestos

  

  


Van: Discuss [mailto:discuss-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] Namens Sanghee Shin
Verzonden: donderdag 12 oktober 2017 10:14
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Onderwerp: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: Sanghee Shin

  


Dear All,

  


I’ve posted my manifestos here: 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017_Candidate_Manifestos#Sanghee_Shin

  


Thanks for the nomination.

  


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board nomination: Jeff McKenna

[Massimiliano Cannata]

Jeff,
Thanks for accepting the nomination.
You have my support.
Maxi




Il 13 ott 2017 7:06 PM, "Jeff McKenna"  ha
scritto:

> Cameron, I needed time to think on all of these issues being raised.  I
> never ignored you.  I disagree with your public statement that I avoid hard
> OSGeo questions.  I have always tried to represent the OSGeo community, and
> I have stood up for the community when others could or would not.  My
> problem is that I am sometimes too strong, too passionate, coming off as
> not caring, when in fact this is opposite: I have as much caring for the
> OSGeo community as anyone else here.
>
> Thank you for voicing all of these public concerns of my career.   I have
> tried to answer your concerns.  I am sure you disagree with me for most or
> all of my answers, but I hope you take the time to let my words sink in
> like I did to all of your words, as that time was me showing you the most
> respect, how I respect your words and how powerful the online word is
> today.  Please also show me that respect back.
>
> Maybe we can meet in person in 2018.  FOSS4G-Australia 2018!!! Let's do
> it  :)
>
> Yours,
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2017-10-12 4:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>
>> Nicolas, Jeff, OSGeo Community:
>>
>> I really like and respect Jeff. He has contributed many great things to
>> OSGeo and touched many of us in positive ways. However, while on the board
>> I've seen personality clashes where Jeff has sent passionate emails with
>> what I consider to be an unacceptable level of aggression and disrespect
>> for a board member, and which I believe has led to community members
>> leaving or becoming disengaged [3].
>>
>> Jeff appears to have ignored my question. I'm disappointed but not
>> surprised. I've seen Jeff to be quick to engage on topics and people he
>> agrees with; but ignore tough questions; in the extreme resigning from the
>> board. Maybe I'm being hasty, I see Jeff has just posted his candidate
>> manifesto as I write this and he may explain his previous resignations soon.
>>
>> I've said the following about Jeff after he resigned previously [4]:
>>
>> /I see in you someone who has some wonderful characteristics which
>> you apply to OSGeo://
>> //   You are passionate, enthusiastic, dedicated to task.//
>> //
>> //There are a few things that sometimes cause friction://
>> //You are passionate, enthusiastic, dedicated to task.//
>> //
>> //As with all of us, our strengths in one circumstance become a
>> weakness in another./
>>
>> I love Jeff, but would hope that he provides some of our other excellent
>> board candidates with a chance to be on the board, and hope that Jeff
>> focuses on some of the other roles that he does so well.
>>
>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>
>> [3] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-November/033014.html
>>
>> [4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-December/008829.html
>>
>>
>> On 13/10/17 3:32 am, Rob Emanuele wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Toshikazu, Nick,
>>>
>>> Despite the fact that I have not been around long enough or have not
>>> been in the right places to see directly a lot of the impact that Jeff has
>>> had on the community, it's very clear from many accounts that he has been
>>> an amazing and important figure in OSGeo (a Sol Katz award speaks very
>>> clearly to this!). However I feel remiss if I don't point out the following
>>> observation: as a newer member to the OSGeo community in the past couple of
>>> years, I've seen some intense and surprising conflict happen on the mailing
>>> lists that were centered around or included Jeff, which played out in ways
>>> that I believe were not good for community, and were also not healing in
>>> their conclusions.
>>>
>>> If there is a custom of only speaking positively on someone's nomination
>>> thread, then I apologize. I do not want to detract from praise that is well
>>> deserved. Is there a more appropriate place talk through, address and
>>> hopefully dismiss reservations about a nominee, and to also call for
>>> answers to the questions Cameron has posted?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Toshikazu SETO >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I also support the second nomination of Jeff McKenna.
>>>
>>> He think important to friendship with all OSGeo communities,
>>> because I am proud of his philosophy.
>>>
>>> I think, this thread will use comments on nominations and should
>>> not deep discuss to previous FOSS4G
>>> circumstanceand responsibility.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Toshikazu
>>>
>>>
>> On 12/10/17 4:23 pm, nicolas bozon wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Cameron,
>>>
>>> I appreciate the time and effort you have put into framing questions and
>>> remarks for Jeff, although that sounds rather unusual in a Board nomination
>>> thread.
>>>
>>> As a Charter Member nominating Jeff, I thought that bygones were bygones
>>> when we honored him 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Members: What kind of an OSGeo Board do we want?

[Jody Garnett]

Hey Jeff,

Takes a lot of courage to step up in general, and even more to step up an
apologize in public.

Respect
Jody

On 13 October 2017 at 08:33, Jeff McKenna 
wrote:

> Hi Steven,
>
> Your questions are great, and I think I tackled most of them in my
> manifesto/vision document.  But I think I did not properly address the
> "what has not worked as well as you hoped?".
>
> In a job interview this is always a good question, a great way to
> self-examine and openly discuss things that come more difficult for you.
>
> I think in my case, I let my passion sometimes get in the way of
> professionalism.  This is my downside in OSGeo.  I have so much passion for
> helping the OSGeo community, that I can sometimes come off as disrespectful
> to others in the community (Andrea Ross, Bart, Mark Lucas).   I am sorry
> for that.   If we were at an event right now I would walk directly over to
> each of them now to talk.   I am sorry that my words were disrespectful to
> you, and (in each case) I am sure I was wrong.
>
> I am sure there are others upset at me, for almost 17 years is a long time
> to work in the Open community.
>
> I am truly sorry.
>
> If it sounds not meaningful, this actually comes from my heart.  We are
> all on the same team.
>
> I support you all as leaders, true leaders.
>
> I may have failed you in the past.
>
> I am sorry.
>
> Steven, thanks for the great questions.  I hope my honest answer helps
> understand me, just one of the many great nominees for the 2017 Board.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
> On 2017-10-09 11:12 AM, Steven Feldman wrote:
>
>> First up my respect and thanks to the 9 candidates that have agreed to
>> stand for a position on the OSGeo Board. https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Bo
>> ard_Member_Nominations_2017 It is a fantastic indication of our vibrant,
>> passionate community that we have 9 people willing to offer their
>> experience, wisdom, energy and most importantly time to serve.
>>
>> Charter members, we have a tough choice to make to select 5 of these 9
>> outstanding candidates to serve for the next 2 years. I thought I would
>> share some of the considerations that will influence my choices when we get
>> to vote, they may help others to identify what is important to them in
>> making their choices and they may also prompt some of the candidates when
>> they write their personal statements/manifestos.
>>
>> We have an opportunity to shape the board in terms of professional
>> background, gender and experience
>>
>>   * The current board is balanced between practitioners/developers and
>> academics - do we want to maintain that balance?
>>   * Currently 3/9 of the board are women (Anita is standing down, thanks
>> for your contributions, Helena is standing for re-election)
>>   * 4 of the 5 board members standing down are standing for re-election,
>> additionally 2 past members of the board are standing for election.
>> There are 3 candidates who have not served on the board.
>>
>>
>> Some questions for candidates:
>>
>>   * If you are standing for re-election - what roles have you taken in
>> the last 2 years? what do you believe you have achieved and what has
>> not worked as well as you hoped?
>>   * All candidates - what role, specific topics would you like to work
>> on within the board and why? what do you hope to contribute and
>> achieve in the next 2 years?
>>   * If there was only 1 thing you could change in the next 2 years what
>> would it be?
>>
>>
>> May the FOSS be with you all
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>>
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board nomination: Jeff McKenna

[Jeff McKenna]

Cameron, I needed time to think on all of these issues being raised.  I 
never ignored you.  I disagree with your public statement that I avoid 
hard OSGeo questions.  I have always tried to represent the OSGeo 
community, and I have stood up for the community when others could or 
would not.  My problem is that I am sometimes too strong, too 
passionate, coming off as not caring, when in fact this is opposite: I 
have as much caring for the OSGeo community as anyone else here.


Thank you for voicing all of these public concerns of my career.   I 
have tried to answer your concerns.  I am sure you disagree with me for 
most or all of my answers, but I hope you take the time to let my words 
sink in like I did to all of your words, as that time was me showing you 
the most respect, how I respect your words and how powerful the online 
word is today.  Please also show me that respect back.


Maybe we can meet in person in 2018.  FOSS4G-Australia 2018!!! Let's do 
it  :)


Yours,

-jeff



On 2017-10-12 4:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Nicolas, Jeff, OSGeo Community:

I really like and respect Jeff. He has contributed many great things to 
OSGeo and touched many of us in positive ways. However, while on the 
board I've seen personality clashes where Jeff has sent passionate 
emails with what I consider to be an unacceptable level of aggression 
and disrespect for a board member, and which I believe has led to 
community members leaving or becoming disengaged [3].


Jeff appears to have ignored my question. I'm disappointed but not 
surprised. I've seen Jeff to be quick to engage on topics and people he 
agrees with; but ignore tough questions; in the extreme resigning from 
the board. Maybe I'm being hasty, I see Jeff has just posted his 
candidate manifesto as I write this and he may explain his previous 
resignations soon.


I've said the following about Jeff after he resigned previously [4]:

/    I see in you someone who has some wonderful characteristics which 
you apply to OSGeo://

//   You are passionate, enthusiastic, dedicated to task.//
//
//    There are a few things that sometimes cause friction://
//    You are passionate, enthusiastic, dedicated to task.//
//
//    As with all of us, our strengths in one circumstance become a 
weakness in another./


I love Jeff, but would hope that he provides some of our other excellent 
board candidates with a chance to be on the board, and hope that Jeff 
focuses on some of the other roles that he does so well.


Warm regards, Cameron

[3] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-November/033014.html

[4] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-December/008829.html


On 13/10/17 3:32 am, Rob Emanuele wrote:

Hi Toshikazu, Nick,

Despite the fact that I have not been around long enough or have not 
been in the right places to see directly a lot of the impact that Jeff 
has had on the community, it's very clear from many accounts that he 
has been an amazing and important figure in OSGeo (a Sol Katz award 
speaks very clearly to this!). However I feel remiss if I don't point 
out the following observation: as a newer member to the OSGeo 
community in the past couple of years, I've seen some intense and 
surprising conflict happen on the mailing lists that were centered 
around or included Jeff, which played out in ways that I believe were 
not good for community, and were also not healing in their conclusions.


If there is a custom of only speaking positively on someone's 
nomination thread, then I apologize. I do not want to detract from 
praise that is well deserved. Is there a more appropriate place talk 
through, address and hopefully dismiss reservations about a nominee, 
and to also call for answers to the questions Cameron has posted?


Thanks,
Rob



On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Toshikazu SETO > wrote:


I also support the second nomination of Jeff McKenna.

He think important to friendship with all OSGeo communities,
because I am proud of his philosophy.

I think, this thread will use comments on nominations and should
not deep discuss to previous FOSS4G
circumstanceand responsibility.

Best regards,
Toshikazu



On 12/10/17 4:23 pm, nicolas bozon wrote:

Dear Cameron,

I appreciate the time and effort you have put into framing questions 
and remarks for Jeff, although that sounds rather unusual in a Board 
nomination thread.


As a Charter Member nominating Jeff, I thought that bygones were 
bygones when we honored him with the prestigious Sol Katz award at 
FOSS4G 2016. The thunderous applause from one and all present at the 
Bundeshaus on August 27th 2016 still rings in my ears. And I think 
none in our community would have missed the passion that emanated from 
Jeff in his short acceptance speech, but also the continued  effort he 
has silently put in helping the Foundation since then.


Whishing all candidates a great campain and election.

Best 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

[Jeff McKenna]

Hi Gert-Jan, indeed I get -5 in late fees for my manifesto! ha.I 
needed time to think on all of the things being mentioned about me, that 
is all.  I didn't want to send a response without giving it proper 
thought, and show respect for all concerns.  I hope you can freely ask 
me questions here, and I will respond.  -jeff




On 2017-10-12 1:00 PM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting OSGeo.nl wrote:

Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members),

Thanks to Helena, Astrid, Jody and Sanghee for adding their Manifestos [1].

Really much appreciated, and at least now we have 6 known candidates to 
cast our 5 votes to!


I hope that Dirk, Venga and Jeff will take the opportunity to add their 
manifestos as well before the end of this campaign week.






After reading them, I have 3 questions:

= One to Sanghee:

I really like your personal review of the last 2 years as a Board 
member. Not just fun parts, but also some harder times.


Could you please elaborate on the "Sometimes I saw the 'Desire to the 
Innocence' from the community"? I simply don't quite understand what you 
mean by this.


= One to Astrid:

Almost all of your objectives seem outreach-related (PR, OSGeo Live etc.)

What  are the advantages of doing so as a Board member, instead of (or 
in addition to) begin a member of the recently revived Marketing Committee


= And one to all of you:

Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.

For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do 
you think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents / 
languages as possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent 
(not counting for Antarctica, ha!)


Wishing you all the best and success in your campaigns,

Gert-Jan

[1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017_Candidate_Manifestos

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*Onderwerp:* [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: Sanghee Shin

Dear All,

I’ve posted my manifestos here: 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Election_2017_Candidate_Manifestos#Sanghee_Shin


Thanks for the nomination.

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[Jeff McKenna]

Thanks for your honest and passionate support Nick.  Your message was 
well said.  Although I should be careful to not hide behind an award, 
and treat everyone with respect and caring, which I think was the 
concern of Cameron and others recently towards me.


-jeff



On 2017-10-12 2:23 AM, nicolas bozon wrote:

Dear Cameron,

I appreciate the time and effort you have put into framing questions and 
remarks for Jeff, although that sounds rather unusual in a Board 
nomination thread.


As a Charter Member nominating Jeff, I thought that bygones were bygones 
when we honored him with the prestigious Sol Katz award at FOSS4G 2016. 
The thunderous applause from one and all present at the Bundeshaus on 
August 27th 2016 still rings in my ears. And I think none in our 
community would have missed the passion that emanated from Jeff in his 
short acceptance speech, but also the continued  effort he has silently 
put in helping the Foundation since then.


Whishing all candidates a great campain and election.

Best regards,

Nick





Le mercredi 11 octobre 2017, Steven Feldman > a écrit :


Jeff

I agree with Cameron, I think the charter members are entitled to an
explanation as to why you resigned from the board twice in the
middle of a period of service.

I, for one, would like to understand the basis on which we can be
assured that if you are elected for a third time the pattern of
resignation will not be repeated

Regards
__
Steven



On 9 Oct 2017, at 21:42, Cameron Shorter
> wrote:

Jeff,

I've had a number of people correct me to note that you have
resigned twice from the board. Also from the conference committee
and FOSS4G mentoring role as the global FOSS4G China was facing
very hard decisions based on low registration numbers.

References:

Resignation from board in 2015:
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-December/008820.html


Resignation from board and conference committee in 2012:
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-February/004544.html


Stepping back from mentoring FOSS4G China:
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-January/004514.html


Lessons Learned from FOSS4G China:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2012_Lessons_Learned




On 9/10/17 10:01 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:


Jeff,

While I agree with others that you have been very enthusiastic
toward OSGeo ideals, I'm also believe that there are some
unanswered questions which should be addressed.

In particular, a while back you stepped down from the OSGeo Board
mid-term, while you were in the position of OSGeo president. I
don't think a public explanation was provided, but I was aware
that there was some passionate discussion happening in public
email lists at the time.

If you are considering sitting on the board again, I think an
explanation should be provided.

Regards, Cameron

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[Jeff McKenna]

Hi Steven, I think it is not easy dedicating so much effort for OSGeo, 
and at the same time trying to keep the lights on with a small business, 
as you know very well.  I think recent changes by the current Board 
handling the many tasks through 2 VPs and the president helps, really 
helps, but I am sure we can do more.  I think Helena mentioned in her 
vision leveraging funded roles for certain tasks, dedicating people to 
those everyday Board tasks, and this is a great idea.  There are many tasks.


I guess I am growing too, with OSGeo, making mistakes, and generally 
being a typical teenager (as OSGeo is in its teenage years).  I think 
Venka mentioned this in a recent keynote, and it is very true.


-jeff



On 2017-10-11 6:45 PM, Steven Feldman wrote:

Jeff

I agree with Cameron, I think the charter members are entitled to an 
explanation as to why you resigned from the board twice in the middle of 
a period of service.


I, for one, would like to understand the basis on which we can be 
assured that if you are elected for a third time the pattern of 
resignation will not be repeated


Regards
__
Steven


On 9 Oct 2017, at 21:42, Cameron Shorter > wrote:


Jeff,

I've had a number of people correct me to note that you have resigned 
twice from the board. Also from the conference committee and FOSS4G 
mentoring role as the global FOSS4G China was facing very hard 
decisions based on low registration numbers.


References:

Resignation from board in 2015: 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-December/008820.html


Resignation from board and conference committee in 2012: 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-February/004544.html


Stepping back from mentoring FOSS4G China: 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-January/004514.html


Lessons Learned from FOSS4G China: 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2012_Lessons_Learned




On 9/10/17 10:01 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:


Jeff,

While I agree with others that you have been very enthusiastic toward 
OSGeo ideals, I'm also believe that there are some unanswered 
questions which should be addressed.


In particular, a while back you stepped down from the OSGeo Board 
mid-term, while you were in the position of OSGeo president. I don't 
think a public explanation was provided, but I was aware that there 
was some passionate discussion happening in public email lists at the 
time.


If you are considering sitting on the board again, I think an 
explanation should be provided.


Regards, Cameron


On 9/10/17 8:48 am, nicolas bozon wrote:


It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board of 
Directors election.


Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything OSGeo, 
and i would probably be mistaken trying to summarize his countless 
contributions over the years, at every level of our Foundation. His 
leadership and long involvement in the OSGeo and FOSS4G communities 
made him the Winner of the Solz Katz Award in 2016, and i cannot add 
more. For those of you who may really not know Jeff yet, the 
User:Jeff_McKenna wiki page is a good read before you vote.


Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep 
understanding of both the director role and the current OSGeo 
strategic plan. Experienced with OSGeo governance and bylaws, Jeff 
also knows a lot about projects and people. He is always ready to 
help build locally and to represent globally.


Jeff is a great communicator and enthusiastic community leader, and 
i believe he will be an excellent OSGeo director again. Please let 
us all welcome Jeff back at the Board!



Best regards,

Nicolas Bozon


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nomination directly to the Discuss list with cc to CRO, so it avoids 
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Nominations page still need to be updated, could you please Vasile ? 
Sorry for shortening the nomination process in this special case.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Board nomination: Jeff McKenna

[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you Eli for this concern, as when I was nominated I immediately 
realized the potential for a conflict of interest, and resigned as co-CRO.


It was not something I planned, giving a month of my time to the 
election and then stopping, but I agree with you that a more formal 
process for selecting the upcoming election CROs is needed.  I actually 
would like to see the CROs involved in the whole process, including when 
any changes to the voting/nomination process are needed.  So there is 
definitely room for improvement here.


-jeff




On 2017-10-11 2:15 PM, Venkatesh Raghavan wrote:

Hi Eli,

First of all, thanks to Jorge for volunteering to be co-CRO
and fixing the CRO alias promptly.

Regarding your other comment reproduced below;

The Board did not appear to review this topic at
their last meeting,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-10-05, so perhaps it is
of no concern to the Board.


The question of review this topic at the 2017-10-05 board meeting did 
not arise

as the nomination for our ex-co-CRO was filed on 2017-10-08.

I would like to assure you that I share your concern about the proper
process.

Best

Venka



On 10/12/2017 1:58 AM, Jorge Sanz wrote:

Hi Eli,

I did it yesterday without having a ticket involved. My bad sorry.

I confirm that the CRO alias is now sending emails only to Vasile and me.
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Sent from my phone, excuse my brevity and typos

El 11 oct. 2017 18:36, "Eli Adam"  escribió:


On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Fenoy Gerald
wrote:

Dear Eli,
as you may have notice, Jeff has stepped down from his position of

co-CRO when accepting the Nicolas’ nomination [1].

I didn't find that thread while scanning through the archive.  Thanks
for pointing it out to me.


Jeff was involved in the charter member election process as co-CRO but

he is no more so, I guess, there is no issue for the board election.
Was the...@osgeo.org  email alias updated?  I didn't notice a ticket
for that.  I'm impressed that there is so little concern about the
proper process.  The Board did not appear to review this topic at
their last meeting,
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-10-05, so perhaps it is
of no concern to the Board.

Best regards, Eli


Best regards,

[1]https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2017-October/036449.html


Gérald Fenoy
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/User:Djay


Le 11 oct. 2017 à 16:04, Eli Adam  a écrit :

Nicolas,

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 2:48 PM, nicolas bozon

wrote:

It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board of

Directors

election.

I don't think that you can nominate the CRO, nor can the CRO accept
your nomination,https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Chief_Returning_Officer.
In some past years the CRO was a sitting Board member with a year
remaining on their term thus avoiding this situation.


Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything OSGeo, and i
would probably be mistaken trying to summarize his countless

contributions

over the years, at every level of our Foundation. His leadership and

long

involvement in the OSGeo and FOSS4G communities made him the Winner of

the

Solz Katz Award in 2016, and i cannot add more. For those of you who

may

really not know Jeff yet, the User:Jeff_McKenna wiki page is a good

read

before you vote.

Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep

understanding of

both the director role and the current OSGeo strategic plan.

Experienced

with OSGeo governance and bylaws, Jeff also knows a lot about projects

and

people. He is always ready to help build locally and to represent

globally.

Jeff is a great communicator and enthusiastic community leader, and i
believe he will be an excellent OSGeo director again. Please let us all
welcome Jeff back at the Board!


Best regards,

Nicolas Bozon


---
Jeff McKenna agreed to be nominated and i decided to send the

nomination

directly to the Discuss list with cc to CRO, so it avoids Jeff to

confirm to

himself that he accepts the nomination. The Board Nominations page

still

need to be updated, could you please Vasile ? Sorry for shortening the
nomination process in this special case.
---

The point is not to avoid Jeff confirming to himself that he accepts
the nomination, it is to avoid the CRO running an election and
counting votes when they are also standing for election. It is really
the Board's (and CRO's) responsibility to ensure that this situation
doesn't occur.  The Board should not appoint CROs who might accept a
nomination and people who might accept a nomination should not accept
appointment as CRO.  Maybe we should return to the tradition of the
CRO being a sitting Board member with a year remaining on their term.
CRO is a difficult job and much credit 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board nomination: Jeff McKenna

[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you Serena!  I hope to someday nominate you for the OSGeo Board, 
as you are a true OSGeo leader.


-jeff



On 2017-10-10 3:51 PM, Serena Coetzee wrote:
Same here! The energy, the passion, the community spirit, the 
experience…it has all been said.


Regards,
Serena

On 09 Oct 2017, at 08:28, Silvia Franceschi > wrote:


Absolutely agree with this nomination!

+1 for Jeff

Silvia


On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 8:20 AM, 林博文 > wrote:


I support the nomination of Jeff McKenna and I agree with Nicholas's
Recommendation.

For a long time, he contributed to the spread of FOSS4G Softeware to
Asia and Europe.
Tributaries Everyone in the Japanese community loves Jeff.
He is widely known to the world after contemplating the MS4W. When
the OSGeo began, MapServer and MS4W played a contribution that could
be said to be indispensable to WebGIS at the time.
And all that he experienced from that time to now forms his OSGeo mind.

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2017-10-09 7:38 GMT+09:00 Vicky Vergara >:

I would like to second this nomination.
I can find words in my vocabulary to express al the traits that
Jeff has for being in the board.
His energy is contagious.
His knowledge of OSGeo invaluable.
His love an care for OSGeo is like no one else I've met


Vicky



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 4:48 PM, nicolas bozon
> wrote:


It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board
of Directors election.

Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything
OSGeo, and i would probably be mistaken trying to summarize
his countless contributions over the years, at every level
of our Foundation. His leadership and long involvement in
the OSGeo and FOSS4G communities made him the Winner of the
Solz Katz Award in 2016, and i cannot add more. For those of
you who may really not know Jeff yet, the User:Jeff_McKenna
wiki page is a good read before you vote.

Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep
understanding of both the director role and the current
OSGeo strategic plan. Experienced with OSGeo governance and
bylaws, Jeff also knows a lot about projects and people. He
is always ready to help build locally and to represent
globally.

Jeff is a great communicator and enthusiastic community
leader, and i believe he will be an excellent OSGeo director
again. Please let us all welcome Jeff back at the Board!


Best regards,

Nicolas Bozon


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the nomination directly to the Discuss list with cc to CRO,
so it avoids Jeff to confirm to himself that he accepts the
nomination. The Board Nominations page still need to be
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[Jeff McKenna]

Thanks for your words Cameron, I will do my best to address your 
concerns here now.


In a sense it is good that you bring up all this history, as it gives me 
a chance to clarify what actually happened.


In 2011 I had been doing so much for FOSS4G for so long, all those 
non-glorious tasks that helped build what FOSS4G is today, that I knew 
that we were approaching a critical point where we were asking too much 
of volunteers to make the next FOSS4G event happen.


Fellow leaders Venka, Gérald, and I had boots on the ground in China in 
2010 I believe, and we really pushed for FOSS4G-China to happen, but we 
all knew the effort involved, demanding more of a face-to-face approach, 
than past event planning.  With my many hats (chair of conference 
committee, then on every single local committee of FOSS4G, and Board 
member) I knew that for FOSS4G-2012 Beijing to happen we must invest 
boots-on-the-ground help, and be sure to guide the event to completion. 
Bringing FOSS4G to China was very important to me.


So what then happened would become one of my proudest moments in OSGeo: 
I very publicly proposed a partially funded "FOSS4G Advisor" role to 
mentor the Beijing team, and work closely from start to finish, back in 
2011, to do all of the little things.  The document lists so many 
important little tasks, but the last section says it the best:


 - propose role/position to OSGeo Board
 - once approved, introduce new role to FOSS4G 2012 local committee
 - do the work!

It was what I knew (and having created the FOSS4G conference committee, 
been on every local committee until then, only I knew this) had to 
happen, and right away.


Unfortunately the proposal was never approved by the OSGeo Board, and 
this devastated me, as I knew this was what was needed to make the event 
a success.  I would later resign from the OSGeo Board over that.


Fast forward a year, and the event never happened.  It was exactly what 
I warned.  To this day I feel such a role is needed for FOSS4G.  Here is 
my original document, note that tasks, costs, effort, everything is in 
the open and visible, for a future FOSS4G team to use: 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Advisor_Role


(I would learn later that the German FOSSGIS organizers hired someone 
for that exact role, doing the little things each event to make sure 
consistency and a smooth transition happens)


I hope this explains what happened Cameron.   Regarding so many people 
contacting you about concerns of me, please let them know that I am here 
to talk, if they feel the need to voice concerns.


Thank you for your message Cameron, I'll address your next email 
examining my career in a response shortly.


-jeff




On 2017-10-09 5:42 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Jeff,

I've had a number of people correct me to note that you have resigned 
twice from the board. Also from the conference committee and FOSS4G 
mentoring role as the global FOSS4G China was facing very hard decisions 
based on low registration numbers.


References:

Resignation from board in 2015: 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2015-December/008820.html


Resignation from board and conference committee in 2012: 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-February/004544.html


Stepping back from mentoring FOSS4G China: 
https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/board/2012-January/004514.html


Lessons Learned from FOSS4G China: 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2012_Lessons_Learned




On 9/10/17 10:01 pm, Cameron Shorter wrote:


Jeff,

While I agree with others that you have been very enthusiastic toward 
OSGeo ideals, I'm also believe that there are some unanswered 
questions which should be addressed.


In particular, a while back you stepped down from the OSGeo Board 
mid-term, while you were in the position of OSGeo president. I don't 
think a public explanation was provided, but I was aware that there 
was some passionate discussion happening in public email lists at the 
time.


If you are considering sitting on the board again, I think an 
explanation should be provided.


Regards, Cameron


On 9/10/17 8:48 am, nicolas bozon wrote:


It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board of 
Directors election.


Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything OSGeo, and 
i would probably be mistaken trying to summarize his countless 
contributions over the years, at every level of our Foundation. His 
leadership and long involvement in the OSGeo and FOSS4G communities 
made him the Winner of the Solz Katz Award in 2016, and i cannot add 
more. For those of you who may really not know Jeff yet, the 
User:Jeff_McKenna wiki page is a good read before you vote.


Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep 
understanding of both the director role and the current OSGeo 
strategic plan. Experienced with OSGeo governance and bylaws, Jeff 
also knows a lot about projects and people. He is always ready to 
help build locally and to represent globally.


Jeff 

Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Charter Members: What kind of an OSGeo Board do we want?

[Jeff McKenna]

Hi Steven,

Your questions are great, and I think I tackled most of them in my 
manifesto/vision document.  But I think I did not properly address the 
"what has not worked as well as you hoped?".


In a job interview this is always a good question, a great way to 
self-examine and openly discuss things that come more difficult for you.


I think in my case, I let my passion sometimes get in the way of 
professionalism.  This is my downside in OSGeo.  I have so much passion 
for helping the OSGeo community, that I can sometimes come off as 
disrespectful to others in the community (Andrea Ross, Bart, Mark 
Lucas).   I am sorry for that.   If we were at an event right now I 
would walk directly over to each of them now to talk.   I am sorry that 
my words were disrespectful to you, and (in each case) I am sure I was 
wrong.


I am sure there are others upset at me, for almost 17 years is a long 
time to work in the Open community.


I am truly sorry.

If it sounds not meaningful, this actually comes from my heart.  We are 
all on the same team.


I support you all as leaders, true leaders.

I may have failed you in the past.

I am sorry.

Steven, thanks for the great questions.  I hope my honest answer helps 
understand me, just one of the many great nominees for the 2017 Board.


-jeff




On 2017-10-09 11:12 AM, Steven Feldman wrote:
First up my respect and thanks to the 9 candidates that have agreed to 
stand for a position on the OSGeo Board. 
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Member_Nominations_2017 It is a 
fantastic indication of our vibrant, passionate community that we have 9 
people willing to offer their experience, wisdom, energy and most 
importantly time to serve.


Charter members, we have a tough choice to make to select 5 of these 9 
outstanding candidates to serve for the next 2 years. I thought I would 
share some of the considerations that will influence my choices when we 
get to vote, they may help others to identify what is important to them 
in making their choices and they may also prompt some of the candidates 
when they write their personal statements/manifestos.


We have an opportunity to shape the board in terms of professional 
background, gender and experience


  * The current board is balanced between practitioners/developers and
academics - do we want to maintain that balance?
  * Currently 3/9 of the board are women (Anita is standing down, thanks
for your contributions, Helena is standing for re-election)
  * 4 of the 5 board members standing down are standing for re-election,
additionally 2 past members of the board are standing for election.
There are 3 candidates who have not served on the board.


Some questions for candidates:

  * If you are standing for re-election - what roles have you taken in
the last 2 years? what do you believe you have achieved and what has
not worked as well as you hoped?
  * All candidates - what role, specific topics would you like to work
on within the board and why? what do you hope to contribute and
achieve in the next 2 years?
  * If there was only 1 thing you could change in the next 2 years what
would it be?


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Board nomination: Jeff McKenna

[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you Cameron for kind words.   I am sure there are questions, and I 
am here to answer them for you.


As a long-time volunteer for OSGeo, I have always tried to represent the 
foundation and its community every step of the way.  During my term as 
President of OSGeo, we were really tackling the subject of the 
LocationTech-OSGeo relationship, and it became a very public discussion. 
I worked very hard to represent OSGeo, but sometimes my words may have 
been too strong towards Andrea Ross, and that could be my biggest fault. 
 When a letter was posted online criticizing me, and then shared to me 
during a Board meeting, this absolutely broke me.  I don't recommend 
anyone goes through that, seeing online words written about you, it was 
quite a feeling.


I was doing so much for OSGeo, making sure to give each issue or 
challenge time and effort, listening, and then talking, always publicly, 
that I obviously made many mistakes.  This can happen when you are so 
open, trying to make sure all of the community is informed.  At the 
time, when that happened, I felt that I was no longer doing the job 
(note that it is a job, fulltime, unpaid yes, but it is definitely a 
job, make no mistake) of the OSGeo President and I resigned immediately.


I have learned a lot since then, and for several years I worked on 
low-level OSGeo tasks, again helping wherever needed. But meeting Marc 
and Thea at FOSS4G-Boston and talking face to face gave me so much 
confidence, in the whole community - I am sure that both Thea and Marc 
felt the same way after our talk.  It was just so needed, and only the 
start of what I predict will become something magical.


You have many more emails and questions examining my career, which I 
will tackle in the next response.


Thank you for your words, more shortly,

-jeff



On 2017-10-09 8:01 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:

Jeff,

While I agree with others that you have been very enthusiastic toward 
OSGeo ideals, I'm also believe that there are some unanswered questions 
which should be addressed.


In particular, a while back you stepped down from the OSGeo Board 
mid-term, while you were in the position of OSGeo president. I don't 
think a public explanation was provided, but I was aware that there was 
some passionate discussion happening in public email lists at the time.


If you are considering sitting on the board again, I think an 
explanation should be provided.


Regards, Cameron


On 9/10/17 8:48 am, nicolas bozon wrote:


It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board of 
Directors election.


Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything OSGeo, and 
i would probably be mistaken trying to summarize his countless 
contributions over the years, at every level of our Foundation. His 
leadership and long involvement in the OSGeo and FOSS4G communities 
made him the Winner of the Solz Katz Award in 2016, and i cannot add 
more. For those of you who may really not know Jeff yet, the 
User:Jeff_McKenna wiki page is a good read before you vote.


Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep 
understanding of both the director role and the current OSGeo 
strategic plan. Experienced with OSGeo governance and bylaws, Jeff 
also knows a lot about projects and people. He is always ready to help 
build locally and to represent globally.


Jeff is a great communicator and enthusiastic community leader, and i 
believe he will be an excellent OSGeo director again. Please let us 
all welcome Jeff back at the Board!



Best regards,

Nicolas Bozon


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Board nomination: Jeff McKenna And Sanghee Shin

[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you for the support Suchith.  It was great to share our similar 
visions on the stage at FOSS4G-Paris, your effort for GeoForAll is 
inspiring, and I always go out of my way to promote it every chance I 
get.  -jeff




On 2017-10-09 5:04 AM, Suchith Anand wrote:

+ for Jeff, Sanghee and Dirk.

Best wishes,

Suchith


From: Discuss  on behalf of Marc Vloemans 

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Shin

+1 Jeff And Sanghee

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


Op 9 okt. 2017 om 00:38 heeft Vicky Vergara 
> het volgende geschreven:

I would like to second this nomination.
I can find words in my vocabulary to express al the traits that Jeff has for 
being in the board.
His energy is contagious.
His knowledge of OSGeo invaluable.
His love an care for OSGeo is like no one else I've met


Vicky



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 4:48 PM, nicolas bozon 
> wrote:

It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board of Directors 
election.

Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything OSGeo, and i would 
probably be mistaken trying to summarize his countless contributions over the 
years, at every level of our Foundation. His leadership and long involvement in 
the OSGeo and FOSS4G communities made him the Winner of the Solz Katz Award in 
2016, and i cannot add more. For those of you who may really not know Jeff yet, 
the User:Jeff_McKenna wiki page is a good read before you vote.

Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep understanding of 
both the director role and the current OSGeo strategic plan. Experienced with 
OSGeo governance and bylaws, Jeff also knows a lot about projects and people. 
He is always ready to help build locally and to represent globally.

Jeff is a great communicator and enthusiastic community leader, and i believe 
he will be an excellent OSGeo director again. Please let us all welcome Jeff 
back at the Board!


Best regards,

Nicolas Bozon


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Nominations: Second the nominations of: Helena Mitasova, Dirk Frigne, Astrid Emde, Jeff McKennas

[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you Andrea for the support, coming from you this means a lot.  All 
of the nominees are outstanding community leaders.  -jeff



On 2017-10-09 4:16 AM, andrea antonello wrote:

I would like to second the nominations of Helena Mitasova, Dirk
Frigne, Astrid Emde and Jeff McKenna

To keep it very short, the first two, because I see them as strong
representers of the Academic and Business world, which is great. The
Latter two because they represent the essence of what I think should
be open source geospatial community.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Board nomination: Jeff McKenna

[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you for the support Silvia!  It was so great to see you at 
FOSS4G-Paris.  Can't wait to see you again and have a laugh together! -jeff




On 2017-10-09 3:28 AM, Silvia Franceschi wrote:

Absolutely agree with this nomination!

+1 for Jeff

Silvia


On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 8:20 AM, 林博文 > wrote:


I support the nomination of Jeff McKenna and I agree with Nicholas's
Recommendation.

For a long time, he contributed to the spread of FOSS4G Softeware to
Asia and Europe.
Tributaries Everyone in the Japanese community loves Jeff.
He is widely known to the world after contemplating the MS4W. When
the OSGeo began, MapServer and MS4W played a contribution that could
be said to be indispensable to WebGIS at the time.
And all that he experienced from that time to now forms his OSGeo mind.

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2017-10-09 7:38 GMT+09:00 Vicky Vergara >:

I would like to second this nomination.
I can find words in my vocabulary to express al the traits that
Jeff has for being in the board.
His energy is contagious.
His knowledge of OSGeo invaluable.
His love an care for OSGeo is like no one else I've met


Vicky



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 4:48 PM, nicolas bozon
> wrote:


It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board
of Directors election.

Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything
OSGeo, and i would probably be mistaken trying to summarize
his countless contributions over the years, at every level
of our Foundation. His leadership and long involvement in
the OSGeo and FOSS4G communities made him the Winner of the
Solz Katz Award in 2016, and i cannot add more. For those of
you who may really not know Jeff yet, the User:Jeff_McKenna
wiki page is a good read before you vote.

Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep
understanding of both the director role and the current
OSGeo strategic plan. Experienced with OSGeo governance and
bylaws, Jeff also knows a lot about projects and people. He
is always ready to help build locally and to represent
globally.

Jeff is a great communicator and enthusiastic community
leader, and i believe he will be an excellent OSGeo director
again. Please let us all welcome Jeff back at the Board!


Best regards,

Nicolas Bozon


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[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you for the support Hayashi-san.   I have really tried to spread 
FOSS4G and OSGeo all over Asia and Europe, as you mentioned.  I also 
truly love the OSGeo-Japan community, I feel like I am a long-time 
member of OSGeo-JP, and that a huge part of my growth as a person and a 
community member is due to the kindness and appreciation shown to me 
from so many OSGeo-JP members.


I miss you dearly and I am sure that I will see you soon in person at a 
FOSS4G event somewhere! -jeff




On 2017-10-09 3:20 AM, 林博文 wrote:
I support the nomination of Jeff McKenna and I agree with Nicholas's 
Recommendation.


For a long time, he contributed to the spread of FOSS4G Softeware to 
Asia and Europe.

Tributaries Everyone in the Japanese community loves Jeff.
He is widely known to the world after contemplating the MS4W. When the 
OSGeo began, MapServer and MS4W played a contribution that could be said 
to be indispensable to WebGIS at the time.

And all that he experienced from that time to now forms his OSGeo mind.

Hayashi.


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2017-10-09 7:38 GMT+09:00 Vicky Vergara >:


I would like to second this nomination.
I can find words in my vocabulary to express al the traits that Jeff
has for being in the board.
His energy is contagious.
His knowledge of OSGeo invaluable.
His love an care for OSGeo is like no one else I've met


Vicky



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 4:48 PM, nicolas bozon
> wrote:


It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board of
Directors election.

Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything
OSGeo, and i would probably be mistaken trying to summarize his
countless contributions over the years, at every level of our
Foundation. His leadership and long involvement in the OSGeo and
FOSS4G communities made him the Winner of the Solz Katz Award in
2016, and i cannot add more. For those of you who may really not
know Jeff yet, the User:Jeff_McKenna wiki page is a good read
before you vote.

Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep
understanding of both the director role and the current OSGeo
strategic plan. Experienced with OSGeo governance and bylaws,
Jeff also knows a lot about projects and people. He is always
ready to help build locally and to represent globally.

Jeff is a great communicator and enthusiastic community leader,
and i believe he will be an excellent OSGeo director again.
Please let us all welcome Jeff back at the Board!


Best regards,

Nicolas Bozon


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Fwd: Board nomination: Jeff McKenna And Sanghee Shin

[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you for the support Marc.  Indeed this class of Board volunteers 
is amazing, a really tough decision as each and every nominee is a true 
leader for OSGeo.   A great problem to have!  -jeff




On 2017-10-09 2:10 AM, Marc Vloemans wrote:

+1 Jeff And Sanghee

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


Op 9 okt. 2017 om 00:38 heeft Vicky Vergara > het volgende geschreven:



I would like to second this nomination.
I can find words in my vocabulary to express al the traits that Jeff 
has for being in the board.

His energy is contagious.
His knowledge of OSGeo invaluable.
His love an care for OSGeo is like no one else I've met


Vicky



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 4:48 PM, nicolas bozon > wrote:



It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board of
Directors election.

Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything OSGeo,
and i would probably be mistaken trying to summarize his countless
contributions over the years, at every level of our Foundation.
His leadership and long involvement in the OSGeo and FOSS4G
communities made him the Winner of the Solz Katz Award in 2016,
and i cannot add more. For those of you who may really not know
Jeff yet, the User:Jeff_McKenna wiki page is a good read before
you vote.

Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep
understanding of both the director role and the current OSGeo
strategic plan. Experienced with OSGeo governance and bylaws, Jeff
also knows a lot about projects and people. He is always ready to
help build locally and to represent globally.

Jeff is a great communicator and enthusiastic community leader,
and i believe he will be an excellent OSGeo director again. Please
let us all welcome Jeff back at the Board!


Best regards,

Nicolas Bozon


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[Jeff McKenna]

Thank you for the kind support Vicky, looking forward to seeing you soon 
and having long OSGeo talks at FOSS4G-Sotm-Argentina (continued from our 
great talks at FOSS4G-Seoul).  I'll bring the old OSGeo banner, so we 
can help setup a little OSGeo booth there (on my to-do is to order an 
updated banner, as I go to so many local FOSS4G events it's a good 
investment for me, to help promote OSGeo), and we can print your Summer 
of Code flyers there as well.  See you soon!


PS. my goal is to respond to all nomination messages today, lots to do 
for OSGeo always ha!


-jeff



On 2017-10-08 7:38 PM, Vicky Vergara wrote:

I would like to second this nomination.
I can find words in my vocabulary to express al the traits that Jeff has 
for being in the board.

His energy is contagious.
His knowledge of OSGeo invaluable.
His love an care for OSGeo is like no one else I've met


Vicky



On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 4:48 PM, nicolas bozon > wrote:



It is my honor to nominate Jeff McKenna for the OSGeo Board of
Directors election.

Most of you knows Jeff's energy and passion for everything OSGeo,
and i would probably be mistaken trying to summarize his countless
contributions over the years, at every level of our Foundation. His
leadership and long involvement in the OSGeo and FOSS4G communities
made him the Winner of the Solz Katz Award in 2016, and i cannot add
more. For those of you who may really not know Jeff yet, the
User:Jeff_McKenna wiki page is a good read before you vote.

Jeff already served three times at the board and has a deep
understanding of both the director role and the current OSGeo
strategic plan. Experienced with OSGeo governance and bylaws, Jeff
also knows a lot about projects and people. He is always ready to
help build locally and to represent globally.

Jeff is a great communicator and enthusiastic community leader, and
i believe he will be an excellent OSGeo director again. Please let
us all welcome Jeff back at the Board!


Best regards,

Nicolas Bozon


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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Rewording the diversity argument

[Andy Anderson]

+1

And actively seeking out and inviting the under-represented to participate.

— Andy

> On Oct 13, 2017, at 3:23 AM, María Arias de Reyna  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Also, I think that being just welcoming and open on a pasive way is not 
> enough, which is how OSGeo has behave until now (or at least from my point of 
> view). That's the classic argument when men are asked about the lack of women 
> in tech. "We don't forbid them to come. If they would be interested, they 
> would be here. We will be happy if they join." And that's not how it works. 
> In my opinion, we have to be actively welcoming and inclusive at all times. 
> The slippery moment we forget, we are making people move away.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Rewording the diversity argument

[Andy Anderson]

+1

On Oct 13, 2017, at 3:01 AM, Marc Vloemans 
> wrote:

Dear all,

Please notice that the concept of diversity is not about equal numbers/quota's. 
That has and will backfire as it misses the point and easily degrades 
individual achievements.

It is essentially about 'inclusiveness'!

I am trying to be sensitive to the European way of approaching the matter 
versus the American way. 'Diversity' as a term carries different 
connotations/values/interpretations for different cultures.
Therefore I rather talk about 'inclusiveness' as everyone has felt left out at 
least once. So is able to relate to how that feels.

Are we inviting and welcoming everyone that adds value in some way or is 
genuinely interested in OSGeo?
Do we truly have the 'open' culture we pride ourselves on (e.g. past email 
treads attacking individuals could suggest differently)?
Please, lets work on that, keep each other sharp and avoid window dressing.

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


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> het volgende 
geschreven:

Hi Ger-Jan (and all),

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting 
OSGeo.nl > wrote:
Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members),
= And one to all of you:
Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.
For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do you 
think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents / languages as 
possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent (not counting for 
Antarctica, ha!)


I am no friend of quotas. At least everytime I have been offered things just 
because I was a woman and they needed a female because [reason not related to 
my real value] it made me feel really bad. Why would I want to be somewhere (a 
board or whatever) where everyone knows I am there not because I deserve it but 
because something I didn't even choose? If I accepted, no one was going to hear 
my voice, I would have been unable to do anything for real. No, thanks.

Said this, on an ideal world probably we would have in average one person for 
each continent or language or culture or ethnicity or gender or whatever 
criteria you want to split people into.

Would we achieve this by forcing quotas? We could but, I rather prefer to get 
more diverse people engage and enthusiast with OSGeo so in the end they will 
become natural leaders. Making an effort to help diverse people more 
comfortable in OSGeo and encourage them to participate more? Yes. Giving 
visibility to diverse people that are doing great things inside OSGeo? Sure. 
Making an effort to put someone in some position just because we have to fill a 
quota? No, thanks.

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Rewording the diversity argument

[Marc VLOEMANS]

I Totally agree with your emphasis on 'active'. That makes it operational.

Code of conducts, bylaws and other formally stated policies can provide a
necessary framework, but it will be people/us/individuals who will have to
lead by example and by engaging and by upholding the values.
It is about a bottom-up approach and a scratch-our-own-itches attitude IMHO.


Op vr 13 okt. 2017 om 09:24 schreef María Arias de Reyna <
delawen+os...@gmail.com>

> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Marc Vloemans 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Please notice that the concept of diversity is not about equal
>> numbers/quota's. That has and will backfire as it misses the point and
>> easily degrades individual achievements.
>>
>> It is essentially about 'inclusiveness'!
>>
>> I am trying to be sensitive to the European way of approaching the matter
>> versus the American way. 'Diversity' as a term carries different
>> connotations/values/interpretations for different cultures.
>> Therefore I rather talk about 'inclusiveness' as everyone has felt left
>> out at least once. So is able to relate to how that feels.
>>
>> Are we inviting and welcoming everyone that adds value in some way or is
>> genuinely interested in OSGeo?
>> Do we truly have the 'open' culture we pride ourselves on (e.g. past
>> email treads attacking individuals could suggest differently)?
>> Please, lets work on that, keep each other sharp and avoid window
>> dressing.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Marc Vloemans
>>
>>
> Hi,
>
> I agree that maybe the word diversity may be too cultural-related and
> maybe we should avoid it as we may not be talking about the same things.
> Maybe some native speakers can create a glosary of terms we can use when
> talking about diversity and inclusiveness?
>
> I know what to use in Spanish, but sometimes I am not sure how that
> translates properly. It's like, can I say "black" if I am just being
> descriptive? Because "afroamerican" may work fine in America, but what
> about black people in Europe who has never been to America? "Afroeuropean"?
> Why the difference? It is always confusing to me because I always get
> different advices here.
>
> Also, I think that being just welcoming and open on a pasive way is not
> enough, which is how OSGeo has behave until now (or at least from my point
> of view). That's the classic argument when men are asked about the lack of
> women in tech. "We don't forbid them to come. If they would be interested,
> they would be here. We will be happy if they join." And that's not how it
> works. In my opinion, we have to be actively welcoming and inclusive at all
> times. The slippery moment we forget, we are making people move away.
>
>
> Op 13 okt. 2017 om 08:23 heeft María Arias de Reyna <
>> delawen+os...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Hi Ger-Jan (and all),
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting
>> OSGeo.nl  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members),
>>>
>>> = And one to all of you:
>>>
>>> Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.
>>>
>>> For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do
>>> you think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents /
>>> languages as possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent
>>> (not counting for Antarctica, ha!)
>>>
>>
>>
>> I am no friend of quotas. At least everytime I have been offered things
>> just because I was a woman and they needed a female because [reason not
>> related to my real value] it made me feel really bad. Why would I want to
>> be somewhere (a board or whatever) where everyone knows I am there not
>> because I deserve it but because something I didn't even choose? If I
>> accepted, no one was going to hear my voice, I would have been unable to do
>> anything for real. No, thanks.
>>
>> Said this, on an ideal world probably we would have in average one person
>> for each continent or language or culture or ethnicity or gender or
>> whatever criteria you want to split people into.
>>
>> Would we achieve this by forcing quotas? We could but, I rather prefer to
>> get more diverse people engage and enthusiast with OSGeo so in the end they
>> will become natural leaders. Making an effort to help diverse people more
>> comfortable in OSGeo and encourage them to participate more? Yes. Giving
>> visibility to diverse people that are doing great things inside OSGeo?
>> Sure. Making an effort to put someone in some position just because we have
>> to fill a quota? No, thanks.
>>
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Rewording the diversity argument

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 9:01 AM, Marc Vloemans 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> Please notice that the concept of diversity is not about equal
> numbers/quota's. That has and will backfire as it misses the point and
> easily degrades individual achievements.
>
> It is essentially about 'inclusiveness'!
>
> I am trying to be sensitive to the European way of approaching the matter
> versus the American way. 'Diversity' as a term carries different
> connotations/values/interpretations for different cultures.
> Therefore I rather talk about 'inclusiveness' as everyone has felt left
> out at least once. So is able to relate to how that feels.
>
> Are we inviting and welcoming everyone that adds value in some way or is
> genuinely interested in OSGeo?
> Do we truly have the 'open' culture we pride ourselves on (e.g. past email
> treads attacking individuals could suggest differently)?
> Please, lets work on that, keep each other sharp and avoid window dressing.
>
> Kind regards,
> Marc Vloemans
>
>
Hi,

I agree that maybe the word diversity may be too cultural-related and maybe
we should avoid it as we may not be talking about the same things. Maybe
some native speakers can create a glosary of terms we can use when talking
about diversity and inclusiveness?

I know what to use in Spanish, but sometimes I am not sure how that
translates properly. It's like, can I say "black" if I am just being
descriptive? Because "afroamerican" may work fine in America, but what
about black people in Europe who has never been to America? "Afroeuropean"?
Why the difference? It is always confusing to me because I always get
different advices here.

Also, I think that being just welcoming and open on a pasive way is not
enough, which is how OSGeo has behave until now (or at least from my point
of view). That's the classic argument when men are asked about the lack of
women in tech. "We don't forbid them to come. If they would be interested,
they would be here. We will be happy if they join." And that's not how it
works. In my opinion, we have to be actively welcoming and inclusive at all
times. The slippery moment we forget, we are making people move away.


Op 13 okt. 2017 om 08:23 heeft María Arias de Reyna 
> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Hi Ger-Jan (and all),
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting
> OSGeo.nl  wrote:
>
>> Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members),
>>
>> = And one to all of you:
>>
>> Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.
>>
>> For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do
>> you think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents /
>> languages as possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent
>> (not counting for Antarctica, ha!)
>>
>
>
> I am no friend of quotas. At least everytime I have been offered things
> just because I was a woman and they needed a female because [reason not
> related to my real value] it made me feel really bad. Why would I want to
> be somewhere (a board or whatever) where everyone knows I am there not
> because I deserve it but because something I didn't even choose? If I
> accepted, no one was going to hear my voice, I would have been unable to do
> anything for real. No, thanks.
>
> Said this, on an ideal world probably we would have in average one person
> for each continent or language or culture or ethnicity or gender or
> whatever criteria you want to split people into.
>
> Would we achieve this by forcing quotas? We could but, I rather prefer to
> get more diverse people engage and enthusiast with OSGeo so in the end they
> will become natural leaders. Making an effort to help diverse people more
> comfortable in OSGeo and encourage them to participate more? Yes. Giving
> visibility to diverse people that are doing great things inside OSGeo?
> Sure. Making an effort to put someone in some position just because we have
> to fill a quota? No, thanks.
>
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> Discuss@lists.osgeo.org
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] candidate manifesto - Jeff McKenna

[Steven Feldman]

Jeff

Thank you for you eloquent account of your upbringing and the list of your 
contributions to OSGeo over many years. The community is fortunate to be the 
beneficiary of your passion. 

Could you please respond to Cameron's request for an explanation of your two 
previous mid term resignations from the board. I think the members deserve 
openness on this matter

Steven


> On 12 Oct 2017, at 20:01, Jeff McKenna  wrote:
> 
> Jeff McKenna
> 
> About me
> 
> 
> Hey friends and family!  To say it is an honour to be nominated to again help 
> represent the whole OSGeo community, is kind of an understatement for me.  
> I’ve been working hard within the community for so long, lately helping with 
> the little things for the foundation, that when Nick and others reached out 
> to me asking for me to help the organization at the leadership level for 
> 2017, there was only one answer for me, yes!  :) Thank you to all that have 
> reached out to me in support recently, so many from all over the world, your 
> support means so much to me.
> I think who I am has a lot to do with my parents, and I give them credit for 
> giving me the opportunity to grow and then shine.  I am a product of a 
> working-class family; my father was born and raised on a farm, and as I am 
> the first-born, he taught me to get to know what hard work is.  My mother was 
> the lead nurse in the Emergency hospital ward for 46 years, and she taught me 
> true compassion for people, for everyone, no matter who they are – this 
> ‘caring’ of people really stuck in me from my mother.
> I would go on in life to become many things, which I was for many years so 
> embarrassed by, but later I would become proud of them: 1) many years in 
> university as a Civil Engineer (too young, from age 17, just wrong timing), 
> 2) registered nurse (you have to step into someone’s shoes sometimes to 
> really understand them), 3) initial attack forest fire fighting (making it to 
> the elite 4-person heli-tack team in Canada was a proud moment, and again 
> taught me hard work ethic and to help people and the environment, literally 
> at the sound of an alarm bell and having to run to a helicopter within 3 
> minutes, to help some remote area anywhere in Canada, with no questions asked 
> – got to experience remote areas of Northern Canada where few people get to 
> see, and meet & become friends with so many good people, that are 
> unfortunately underrepresented – this taught me to help stand up for those 
> underrepresented, and help them shine),  4) hard manual labour directly on an 
> automotive line making Honda Civics (during my summers as a student), really 
> gave me early interactions with a successful Asian company, in a production 
> line the size of 3 football fields long, teaching me the importance of 
> quality assurance, & teamwork, and how important even the smallest of tasks 
> is, for the end product, 5) professional ice hockey (playing in the United 
> States, where I learned to respect the effort required to be a professional 
> athlete, and that even playing a ‘game’ takes a lot of non-glorious tasks all 
> year long), someone recently reminded me that I was a team captain at every 
> level I played (college, university, etc.) and 6) finally back to my love of 
> the world, and innovation, to find my calling in a new program (at the time 
> the first ever 4 year degree program in North America in GIS), then called 
> “Geographic Information Processing”, for my thesis I focused on “freeware” 
> and Open Source. Somehow the Open Source community was an absolute natural 
> fit me for, where teamwork, caring, doing the little things, hard work, and 
> getting to know friends from all over the world, became my true calling.  
> With OSGeo and the community, I had found my true home.
> I hope this helps people understand me, why I care, about people and 
> communities from all over the world, why I literally hop on a plane with 
> little notice to go help an OSGeo community grow, and share the OSGeo passion.
> 
> My vision
> -
> 
> My vision has always been to help all communities, to give the quiet new 
> person sitting at the back of the huge room the spotlight in OSGeo, to help 
> that community grow, and then shine.  I have also tried to make OSGeo feel 
> like a family, where the family stretches all over the world.  I have tried 
> to make local leaders more visible, promoting their local events to the world 
> stage.  Really my vision for OSGeo is, and has always been, to share, to 
> laugh, to make friends, and to have fun.
> 
> What you have done within the community in the past
> ---
> 
> Much of my focus is around FOSS4G, in the past and currently.  I have tried 
> to bring the event, as any size big or small, to all areas of the world.  
> Early on I created a process and a document (still used today in some form) 
> to help make sure 

[OSGeo-Discuss] Rewording the diversity argument

[Marc Vloemans]

Dear all,

Please notice that the concept of diversity is not about equal numbers/quota's. 
That has and will backfire as it misses the point and easily degrades 
individual achievements. 

It is essentially about 'inclusiveness'!

I am trying to be sensitive to the European way of approaching the matter 
versus the American way. 'Diversity' as a term carries different 
connotations/values/interpretations for different cultures.
Therefore I rather talk about 'inclusiveness' as everyone has felt left out at 
least once. So is able to relate to how that feels.

Are we inviting and welcoming everyone that adds value in some way or is 
genuinely interested in OSGeo?
Do we truly have the 'open' culture we pride ourselves on (e.g. past email 
treads attacking individuals could suggest differently)?
Please, lets work on that, keep each other sharp and avoid window dressing.

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans


> Op 13 okt. 2017 om 08:23 heeft María Arias de Reyna  
> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi Ger-Jan (and all),
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting 
>> OSGeo.nl  wrote:
>> Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members),
>> 
>> = And one to all of you:
>> 
>> Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.
>> 
>> For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do you 
>> think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents / languages as 
>> possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent (not counting 
>> for Antarctica, ha!)
>> 
> 
>  
> I am no friend of quotas. At least everytime I have been offered things just 
> because I was a woman and they needed a female because [reason not related to 
> my real value] it made me feel really bad. Why would I want to be somewhere 
> (a board or whatever) where everyone knows I am there not because I deserve 
> it but because something I didn't even choose? If I accepted, no one was 
> going to hear my voice, I would have been unable to do anything for real. No, 
> thanks.
> 
> Said this, on an ideal world probably we would have in average one person for 
> each continent or language or culture or ethnicity or gender or whatever 
> criteria you want to split people into. 
> 
> Would we achieve this by forcing quotas? We could but, I rather prefer to get 
> more diverse people engage and enthusiast with OSGeo so in the end they will 
> become natural leaders. Making an effort to help diverse people more 
> comfortable in OSGeo and encourage them to participate more? Yes. Giving 
> visibility to diverse people that are doing great things inside OSGeo? Sure. 
> Making an effort to put someone in some position just because we have to fill 
> a quota? No, thanks.
> 
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

[Astrid Emde (OSGeo)]

Hello Gert-Jan,

thanks for your questions.

Am 2017-10-12 18:00, schrieb Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting 
OSGeo.nl:

Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members),

...

= One to Astrid:

Almost all of your objectives seem outreach-related (PR, OSGeo Live
etc.)

What  are the advantages of doing so as a Board member, instead of (or
in addition to) begin a member of the recently revived Marketing
Committee


Yes - you are right. I do a lot of outreach-work.

I am fine with the things that I already do and could go on like this or 
could get more involved in other Committees. So I do not have to become 
a member of the board. Maybe that would be the same for all nominees 
somehow.


So I am also fine, not to be on the board.

On the other hand working on the board may be a good opportunity to get 
a different perspective to OSGeo and to work & discuss in a team on some 
goals and to support to get other people of OSGeo worldwide involved.



= And one to all of you:

Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.

For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do
you think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents /
languages as possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every
continent (not counting for Antarctica, ha!)



There are different categories that you could use to classify the board 
members - by continent, by gender, by topic, by technology, by language, 
by ...


Sure it would be great to have a board with a great diversity. But maybe 
with only 9 members on the board it won't be so easy. So maybe the focus 
could be to have a board that works together well and makes productive 
descissions and integrates the other members / chapters / projects of 
OSGeo.


Astrid

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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

[María Arias de Reyna]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Vicky Vergara  wrote:

> Hello all, Gret-Jan
>
> In my view section of my manifesto I mention OSGeo  is here to serve the
> people of the world.
> People in the world are Geographically distributed, have different
> cultures and using some number about the languages, for example, only in
> Mexico there are around 60+ languages and 6000+ languages around the world.
> So, we are here to serve the people regardless of the Geographical
> diversity, culture diversity, DNA diversity, gender diversity, political
> diversity, religious diversity.
>
> I don't think that is compulsory to have a representation of every
> continent/country/language/DNA/gender  on every cycle of the Board, but I
> think it would help if from time to time the  diversities are also
> represented.
>
> I hope the above answers your question. And I also hope that the following
> raises some internal questions:
>
>
> I will talk about  what I know:
> Spanish is the second most spoken language on the world (first is
> mandarin) and is the official language of 20 countries, 19 are located in
> Latin America 1 is located in Europe.
> Since OSGeo started there has not being a person  in the Board  from any
> of those countries. [1]
>
>
Hi,

Am I confused or wasn't Jorge Sanz part of the board a few years ago?

Not that I want to break your argument, you are right in everything else,
we (spanish-speaking) are very misrepresented considering how many we are
on the day to day work. And having a Spanish-speaking chapter is like...
English-speaking chapter? Too big. We had to break into smaller
GeoInquietos groups to be able to handle it. It is just too big. And still,
except for local organization purposes, having a global Spanish Chapter is
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Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Board Candidate Manifestos: 3 questions

[María Arias de Reyna]

Hi Ger-Jan (and all),

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting
OSGeo.nl  wrote:

> Hi Board member candidates (and fellow voter members),
>
> = And one to all of you:
>
> Some of you talk about being an inclusive organization.
>
> For the geographical and probably cultural aspect of inclusiveness, do you
> think the Board should have it's roots in as much continents / languages as
> possible, so preferably 1 Board member from every continent (not counting
> for Antarctica, ha!)
>


I am no friend of quotas. At least everytime I have been offered things
just because I was a woman and they needed a female because [reason not
related to my real value] it made me feel really bad. Why would I want to
be somewhere (a board or whatever) where everyone knows I am there not
because I deserve it but because something I didn't even choose? If I
accepted, no one was going to hear my voice, I would have been unable to do
anything for real. No, thanks.

Said this, on an ideal world probably we would have in average one person
for each continent or language or culture or ethnicity or gender or
whatever criteria you want to split people into.

Would we achieve this by forcing quotas? We could but, I rather prefer to
get more diverse people engage and enthusiast with OSGeo so in the end they
will become natural leaders. Making an effort to help diverse people more
comfortable in OSGeo and encourage them to participate more? Yes. Giving
visibility to diverse people that are doing great things inside OSGeo?
Sure. Making an effort to put someone in some position just because we have
to fill a quota? No, thanks.
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