[slim] Running with MySQL on Windows

2005-04-10 Thread JJZolx

Trying to get SlimServer running under Windows with MySQL.  I think I
have most everything in place, but SlimServer won't start and gives the
following error message in the Application Event Log:
 The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( Application ) cannot be
 found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry
 information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote
 computer. You may be able to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this
 description; see Help and Support for details. The following
 information is part of the event: DBI
 connect('database=slimserver','slimserver',...) failed: Client does not
 support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading
 MySQL client at /PerlApp/Slim/DataStores/DBI/DataModel.pm line 106.First I 
 created the database in MySQL 4.1.10a, then created the schema
using the SQL statements from \server\SQL\mysql\dbcreate.sql.

I have the correct dbusername/dbpassword/dbsource in slimsserver.pref:

 dbpassword = slim
 dbsource = dbi:mysql:database=slimserver
 dbusername = slimserver

Following Vidur's instructions from
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=13021

I've extracted the files from the archive in /blib/arch/auto/DBD/mysql/
to

C:\Program
Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN\arch\5.8\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\auto\DBD\mysql\

under the assumption that they should be in a directory next to the
directory for SQLite.

And I've extracted the files from /blib/lib/ to

C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN\

I'm running the 6.0.1 04/09 nightly.  Any ideas about the
authentication protocol error?


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[slim] Re: Running with MySQL on Windows

2005-04-10 Thread BKDotCom

See this:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/old-client.html

To take care of this I edited my.ini
under [mysqld] I added
old-passwords 

I guess you could run this statement
SET PASSWORD FOR 'slimserver'@'localhost' = OLD_PASSWORD('slim');
to fix it specifically for slimserver

I just experienced success by running slim.exe from the command line.. 
(up til now I haven't had any luck as a service)... will give that a
shot as soon as library scan is complete


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[slim] Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread max . spicer

Manuel Rathmann wrote (in New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver):
 [..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I
left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox.

This sort of thing scares me a lot.  I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours
ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of
data.  How do you go about backing this sort of thing up?  The only
really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and
use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks).  After that, I just have to hope
that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer.  Has
anyone else got any workable solutions?


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[slim] Re: New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver

2005-04-10 Thread florian

I am *very* interested in a SB2, but I simply don't want to have a fully
fledged PC running for streaming music...

Has anyone got a SB/SB2 running with a NAS only?

I wish the SB2 could browse the network on its own like the
discontinued Turtle Beach Audiotron.


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[slim] Re: Slightly OT: Small Amplifier recommendations

2005-04-10 Thread Mike Hanson

Cheap and apparently good: 
http://www.si-5.com/frontEnd/cm_productDetail.jsp?productID=18. 
Reviewed here:  http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/t-amp_e.html.  Just set
the volume at a fixed position, and use the SB for volume control.

-= Mike Hanson =-


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[slim] Re: New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver

2005-04-10 Thread Bustofa

Couldn't say for sure what version is current where, but I have only
recently purchased a Linkstation in the UK and it worked fine with
SlimServer. Out of the box the Linkstation was running firmware version
1.44 and I believe that you can successfully run SS on firmware versions
up to 1.45.

Chris


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[slim] Re: OK, this is totally, totally weird..

2005-04-10 Thread mxt

I'm seeing something very similar.  I've got the SB2 hooked up via coax
to the digital input of a Denon receiver.  If the coax cable is the
only connection between the two, and I'm going wired ethernet, then
about every 5-10 seconds the Denon indicator for PCM signal blinks and
there's silence for a fraction of a second.  If I switch to wireless
(and disconnect the ethernet cable) then the dropouts are much more
frequent and longer - there's only sound about half the time.  But if I
connect a cable from the SB2 analog out to any analog input of the
receiver, the dropout problem immediately disappears.  Oh, btw I have
two SB2's and see the exact same behaviour with both.

This isn't a big issue for me personally - I've got lots of analog
inputs on the receiver and can just leave a cable connected.  It had me
thinking I had a network/PC performance problem until I figured it out,
though.


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Re: [slim] Re: New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver

2005-04-10 Thread Mark Bennett
Has anyone got a linkstation working with SS6?

Also, do these boxes have enough horsepower to handle
AlienBBC decoding of Real streams?

Finally, has anyone looked at the TeraStation? It looks
to be the same basic platform as the Linkstation, but
with more disk and some added features.


On Sun, 2005-04-10 at 03:25 -0700, Bustofa wrote:
 Couldn't say for sure what version is current where, but I have only
 recently purchased a Linkstation in the UK and it worked fine with
 SlimServer. Out of the box the Linkstation was running firmware version
 1.44 and I believe that you can successfully run SS on firmware versions
 up to 1.45.
 
 Chris
 
 
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Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Mark Bennett
The standard recommendation for this is to buy another disk,
clone your disk onto it, take it out and store it somewhere
safe. Repeat periodically.

RAID is good at keeping systems running during disk failures,
but it's not a backup solution.

The problem with RAID solutions, is that if something goes
wrong with the OS/FS or with user error it'll probably
be replicated on both drives, and bang goes (some of) your
backup.

On Sun, 2005-04-10 at 03:13 -0700, max.spicer wrote:
 Manuel Rathmann wrote (in New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver):
  [..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I
 left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox.
 
 This sort of thing scares me a lot.  I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours
 ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of
 data.  How do you go about backing this sort of thing up?  The only
 really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and
 use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks).  After that, I just have to hope
 that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer.  Has
 anyone else got any workable solutions?
 
 
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RE: [slim] Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Neil Davidson
Best way (in my opinion) is to get a second drive in an external
Firewire/USB case and just copy all your data across to it then disconnect
and store the backup in a cupboard somewhere. 

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Manuel Rathmann wrote (in New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver):
 [..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I
left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox.

This sort of thing scares me a lot.  I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours
ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of data.
How do you go about backing this sort of thing up?  The only really feasible
thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and use RAID 1 (mirrored
pair of disks).  After that, I just have to hope that something doesn't
happen that takes out the whole computer.  Has anyone else got any workable
solutions?


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RE: [slim] Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Manuel Rathmann
Well Max - this is what I am exactly trying to work out. The idea I had is
to buy a Buffalo Linkstation. It's an external harddrive which you can link
to your PC either via a wireless network or hardwired. Besides having an
external drive which can be in a physical different location than your PC
(in case your whole PC drowns/burns etc.) you can also run slimserver on
it. This means you do not have to have your PC running in order to use your
Squeezebox. You simply mirror whatever you have on your PC onto the 
Linkstation and you're done. So you've got a backup solution AND a way
of not having to run your PC all the time.

The only thing is and that's what I am trying to find out is - the
Linkstation is not supposed to run any software on it but some clever
people found a way around this. The only thing I don't know is if this
workaround does still work with the latest Linkstations...

Anyone any idea?

Cheers,
Manuel

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Manuel Rathmann wrote (in New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver):
 [..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I
left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox.

This sort of thing scares me a lot.  I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours
ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of
data.  How do you go about backing this sort of thing up?  The only
really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and
use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks).  After that, I just have to hope
that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer.  Has
anyone else got any workable solutions?


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[slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Mike Hanson

The cheapest and easiest method is with extra hard drives.  You have two
basic options for hosting the drive:

- External USB2 enclosure for an 3.5 IDE drive.  You can find these
  for $20-50US.
- Removable trays, which you can get for around $15US (bay+tray), and
  additional trays cost around $10US.  I use products from
  www.kingwin.com (see Mobile Rack and Mobile Tray).  You can use
  IDE or SATA drives.
  

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[slim] just a test

2005-04-10 Thread Mykel Koblenz
sorry - just testing the NNTp stuff
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Re: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

2005-04-10 Thread John Gorst
Dan Sully wrote:
* Chris Harris shaped the electrons to say...
I read from news.gmane.org - will I still be able to do this for the 
new groups?

Yes - they'll take a few days to get setup however.
Do we need to set them up with gmane - or have gmane started the signup 
process.

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Re: [slim] Re: Mis-match song playing and web-interface

2005-04-10 Thread Simon Still
On Apr 10, 2005 12:33 AM, Charles Stanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Vidur -  I cant't reproduce it.  It appears random.  I tried playing
 the same playlist again to see if it would recurr - it did not.  Not
 sure what else I could do to reproduce it.
 
 It was easy eneough to 'reset': if  I stop play and then start play
 again, it resets and begins playing the song displayed (ie, the song
 already played).

Same symptoms, can't work out what triggers it.  I'm was using a wired
SB1 synched to SS2 last night.  I'd get the display back in synch by
restarting the playlist and it would go again after a few tracks.

I was also getting strange dropouts on the SB1 - i could still hear SS
playing in the other room but the SB wasn't outputting anything.
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[slim] Squeezebox Alarm Playlist Selection

2005-04-10 Thread Patrick Delamere








Hi,



SuSE
Linux 9.2 - Squeezebox2  Slimserver 6.0.1



I have just organised my radio stations in my playlists
folder into various sub folders. However, now that I have done that, I
can no longer use these playlists for my Squeezebox Alarm setting, as they are
no longer visible in the pull-down menu.



Is there anyway to make the Alarm option look recursively
into the Playlists folder so that it finds all the playlists therein? I
could move some of the playlists back into the main older, but that would mess
up my organisation. :-(



Should I raise an enhancement request for this?



Thanks,



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[slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread max . spicer

Manuel Rathmann Wrote: 
 Well Max - this is what I am exactly trying to work out. The idea I had
 is
 to buy a Buffalo Linkstation. [...]
Oh sorry, I've hijacked your thread in that case.  I hadn't understood
what a linkstation was - I assumed it was just another piece of network
kit.  Maybe I should have actually _read_ your post... ;-)


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Re: [slim] Re: Rescan / Wipe Cache, where is the cache?

2005-04-10 Thread Jason Voegele
JJZolx said:
 dsully Wrote:
 A rescan doesn't clear any data - just picks up new data. Old data is
 lazily removed as stated before. 6.1 will probably do active deletion.
 Here's an idea for the interface then.  I think it would probably be a
 good idea to keep the ability to do a fast rescan for those who are
 just adding new albums and only want the new data picked up.

 But consolidate the operations on the same page and explain it a little
 better.  Get rid of the Wipe Cache on the Performance page and add a
 checkbox above the current Rescan button.  Label it something like
 Perform a complete rescan from scratch.  Add more informative text
 explaining that when this option is selected the operation can be much
 slower, but that it should be used if any tagging information on
 existing tracks has been changed since the last scan.

I agree that these features need to be consolidated to prevent confusion.

I searched bugs.slimdevices.com for any outstanding bugs/enhancement
requests relating to this, but couldn't find anything.  Therefore, I've
shamelessly stolen your e-mail message to create bug #1347:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1347

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Re: [slim] Thanks for the Pony!

2005-04-10 Thread Ian Whalley
I'm kinda bummed... I didn't get a pony with mine (other
than the discount that is :-)
Did you look thoroughly through the packaging? I didn't
notice my pony until I saw these messages. Then I looked in
the very bottom of the packaging, and found my pony tucked
away.

I went back to the box when I saw this thread and rescued
the pony, which had previously escaped my attention...

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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze Audio Buffer Underrun

2005-04-10 Thread Neil Cameron
Any luck with the logs?
Is there any chance that this problem is related to the fact that (no matter 
what I do) I can only run SoftSqueeze 2b2 and not 2b3?

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 Richard

 I've tried to post these (long) error logs three times; the go, but don't 
 turn up on the Forum.
 Can you email your email address to me so I can send them to you?

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 I've just upgraded to 6.1 and am trying it now.

 Meanwhile, can you help with the 2b2 versus 2b3 problem?  I keep 
 installing 2b3, or so I think, and the opening flash Window says 2b3 - 
 but when I go to look it always says 2b2.  How is that?

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 Neil Cameron wrote:

Still having a real probem with this as of 6 April Nightly...

 The Audio Buffer Underrun errors are mostly harmless, it depends on when 
 they happen. Does the visualizer still work when the audio has stopped?

 If the visualizer stops then this indicates a problem with the mp3 
 decoder or stream from the server. Could you capture 'player' debug, if 
 possible noting where the audio stopped.

 If the visualizer keeps running, then it indicates a problem getting the 
 audio data to the sound card. Could you capture 'javasound' debug, note 
 this is very verbose.

 Thanks,
 Richard 



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Re: [slim] Built-in Radio plugins

2005-04-10 Thread Philip Meyer
This is an issue with the 6.1 Windows build: I have added web interfaces  
to those plugins, they therefore moved to their own subfolders. But the  
original files have not been removed. I hope this will soon be fixed.

Also Live365 seems to have its own subfolder now, but it seems that the 
live365.pm in plugins folder is still required.  I've removed the other 
original files and restarted slimserver.

What's missing? I'm still working on Shoutcast (mainly memory  
optimisations), but they should work.

Shoutcast, SimDevices Picks, and RadioIO seem to work; I can't see anything for 
Live365 though.  The items aren't in any particular order in the browse 
drop-down list (or the plugins list).

The interface to the plugins - there is still a duplicate Shoutcast preference 
panel (appears in Plugins and Internet Radio prefs pages).

I have a question about the Shoutcast prefs.  Does the Number of Streams 
preference apply to browsing through both the Web Interface and SB?  I thought 
the reason for cutting back the number of streams was because it would be 
tiresome to browse through the SB, but through the web interface, it's perhaps 
better that this restriction doesn't apply?

Thanks,
Phil

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[slim] Duplicate genre entries with accented characters (6.0.1)

2005-04-10 Thread narya
I've filed a bug report regarding the subject. Anybody else, who has
noticed quirks with accented characters, might like to have a look at
it and add her/his own comments:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1346

Alexander
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Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Robert Wallace
I'm probably a bit old-fashioned.  I tend to think of hard disks as 
production media not suitable to off-line long term storage.  I'm sure 
that's no longer the case...

Any way, when I ripped my CD collection for the 4th (and final time) -- 
to FLAC -- I backed up the FLAC files onto DVD.  Now, as I rip new 
purchases, I hold a copy of the FLACs in a directory until I have enough 
to fill another DVD and I burn those, too.  Of course, the ulitmate 
off-line backup of a CD, is the CD itself.  Mine go into a box in the 
basement.   (belt and suspenders)

Robert
max.spicer wrote:
Manuel Rathmann wrote (in New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver):
 

[..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I
   

left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox.
This sort of thing scares me a lot.  I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours
ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of
data.  How do you go about backing this sort of thing up?  The only
really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and
use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks).  After that, I just have to hope
that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer.  Has
anyone else got any workable solutions?
 

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[slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread max . spicer

How many FLAC albums do you get on a DVD on average?  I keep meaning to
compile some statistics on the average size of my compressed albums,
but a quick scan shows they tend to be between 200-400MB.  Nice and
accurate!  ;-)


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[slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread DrRobert

I have been trying to deal with the backup issues as well.  My problems
is scale; I currently have about 24000 ripped flac tracks on hard disks
which is about half of my cds.  This is currently taking up a little
over 1.0 TB on my linux box.  Duping the drives would be painfully
expensive.  A raid setup would be almost as expensive and you would not
be protected from OS problems (but it is Linux, so that's not likely). 
I ultimately decided to back them up to DVDs.  IF any single drive dies
I will have to spend an hour copying back in a bunch of DVDs, but that
is small compared to the time it took cdparanoia to rip them and for me
to get the tags correct.  All total I will use less than 500 DVDs and
those will only cost about $250-$350. Since a single 400G internal
drive costs  about $250 this price seems reasonable. I still have the
problem that DVD-Rs,while more stable than CD-Rs, will probably not
last all that long, particularly if you label them (which I did; 500
unlabel DVDs is the stuff of nightmares). Hopefully they will last long
enough for the new vertical storage high capacity hard drives to become
cheap. I think DVDs are the best compromise between time, cost, and
security but there is no perfect answer. I have been averaging about
15cds to a dvd when flacced.


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[slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread radish

robertwallace Wrote: 
 I'm probably a bit old-fashioned.  I tend to think of hard disks as 
 production media not suitable to off-line long term storage.  I'm sure
 
 that's no longer the case...
 
 Any way, when I ripped my CD collection for the 4th (and final time) --
 
 to FLAC -- I backed up the FLAC files onto DVD.  Now, as I rip new 
 purchases, I hold a copy of the FLACs in a directory until I have
 enough 
 to fill another DVD and I burn those, too.  Of course, the ulitmate 
 off-line backup of a CD, is the CD itself.  Mine go into a box in the 
 basement.   (belt and suspenders)
 
 Robert
 

From what I've read of recent tests, you'll probably run into problems
with the DVD media degrading before the spare HDD gives up. My personal
approach to this problem (I'm currently at 150GB and growing fast) is to
keep two complete copies (one on my main desktop PC, one on my HTPC in
the living room). Every time I rip a new CD I run a script to sync the
two up. If one of the drives was to die, the chances are I'd have time
to buy a replacement before the other one did - seeing as my current
stats are 2 dead drives in 15 years of computing :)


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Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Kevin O. Lepard
How do you go about backing this sort of thing up?  The only
really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and
use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks).  After that, I just have to hope
that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer.  Has
anyone else got any workable solutions?
Well, my music collection is fairly static.  I add a bit from time to 
time but it doesn't change radically on a day to day basis.

I back up two copies to DVD-R.  I like the Verbatim MediDiscs as 
opposed to generics.  I've had trouble with generic DVD-R.  The 
Verbatim MediDiscs are DICOM compliant and acceptable for use in 
HIPPA applications so at the very least should tend to be among the 
higher quality DVD-R media.  They do cost a little more, though.

I keep one set off-site and another set in a media safe in the house.
If you're less picky and have a dual-layer driver, you'd need 10-12 
disks for your collection twice that for a single layer disk.  Not 
too onerous by my standards, YMMV.

I also keep 3 different copies of the ripped music data on 3 
different hard drives in 2 different computers in the house.

A RAID would be nice, too, but it's not really a backup.  RAID vs. 
backup has been discussed here before.

HTH
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Re: [slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Robert Wallace
Oh, around 10 to 20 - Nice and accurate ;=)
max.spicer wrote:
How many FLAC albums do you get on a DVD on average?  I keep meaning to
compile some statistics on the average size of my compressed albums,
but a quick scan shows they tend to be between 200-400MB.  Nice and
accurate!  ;-)
 

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RE: [slim] Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Kevin O. Lepard
So you've got a backup solution AND a way of not having to run your 
PC all the time.
Of course, the Buffalo Linkstation is just a PC, too. Running 
slimserver on it is a cool hack, but if reliability is really your 
goal, do you really want to hack the very device you're using to 
store the data?

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[slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread healy

max.spicer Wrote: 
 Manuel Rathmann wrote (in New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver):
  [..] my harddrive just went up in smoke - most probaply because I
 left it running for too long due to my Squeezebox.
 
 This sort of thing scares me a lot.  I reckon I'll have spent 36 hours
 ripping all my music when I'm done, and there will be around 100GB of
 data.  How do you go about backing this sort of thing up?  The only
 really feasible thing I can think of is to buy a second hard disk and
 use RAID 1 (mirrored pair of disks).  After that, I just have to hope
 that something doesn't happen that takes out the whole computer.  Has
 anyone else got any workable solutions?

My personal setup has been like so:

Linux Box with:
30gb boot hard drive
3ware raid controller with two 250gb drives in a raid 1 mirror
a single 250gb drive on a controller card

All my mp3's (currently 25,845 of them) are on the raid mirror, and
every hour a rsync script runs to backup the raid mirror to the single
250gb drive.

Recently I just had the boot drive seize on me so I've had to rebuild
the box.  I took the time to move the guts into a rack mount server
case.  However, I lost one of the drive bays due to the case size. 
I've since moved the single 250gb drive to a firewire enclosure and
attached it to my mac.  I still do the rsync backup of the mirror but
it's now going to another computer instead of self contained.  A touch
safer since it's not all in the same box.  However, it is in the same
room, in the same city, in the same state, in the same country...

It depends on how paranoid you really want to get about disaster
recovery.

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Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Kevin O. Lepard
Of course, the ulitmate off-line backup of a CD, is the CD itself. 
Mine go into a box in the basement.
*grin* Mine are in folders behind the bed.
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Re: [slim] Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Mark Bennett
On Sun, 2005-04-10 at 08:21 -0600, Robert Wallace wrote:
 I'm probably a bit old-fashioned.  I tend to think of hard disks as 
 production media not suitable to off-line long term storage.  I'm sure 
 that's no longer the case...

But for me it's not really long term. Since I rerun the backup
roughly every month to catch any updates, I only need it to
last that long. If it doesn't do that, then I'm really worried
about the rest of my system.

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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

2005-04-10 Thread Dan Sully
* John Gorst shaped the electrons to say...
Yes - they'll take a few days to get setup however.
Do we need to set them up with gmane - or have gmane started the signup process.
I've let gmane know about the new lists. Not sure when they'll get around 
to it though..
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[slim] Re: Re: New Buffalo Linkstation and Slimserver

2005-04-10 Thread Dan Sully
* Mark Bennett shaped the electrons to say...
Has anyone got a linkstation working with SS6?
Yes - Linkstation was one of our testing boxes. It should run fine.
Also, do these boxes have enough horsepower to handle
AlienBBC decoding of Real streams?
Probably not. It only has a 200Mhz PPC processor.
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[slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread max . spicer

What flac options are you using?  I think I'm using -6.


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[slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread radish

 I keep meaning to compile some statistics on the average size of my
 compressed albums, but a quick scan shows they tend to be between
 200-400MB

Wow. Mine average 500, I must have some kind of broken FLAC codec ;) 
More seriously, I think it must have to do with the type of music. I
always see people saying that you get decent compression with FLAC, and
that albums come in at 300MB or so, but the majority of mine seem to be
500 or higher. I have a number around 600 - seems like very little
compression going on there. It's my personal theory (backed up by very
little evidence) that it depends on the level of dynamics within the
music.


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RE: [slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Phillip Kerman
DVDs are not exactly archival.  Naturally, hard drives have the issue that
your OS may not support the HD in the future.  I often feel like a dung
beetle copying all my stuff from computer to computer.   Anyway, I just use
HDs.



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Re: [slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread jan van mourik
I used this in EAC (compression options - External Compression -
Additional command line options):
-6 --replay-gain -V -T artist=%a -T title=%t -T album=%g -T
date=%y -T tracknumber=%n -T genre=%m -T comment=EAC
0.95prebeta5 / FLAC 1.1.0 %s

And as an example these are the sizes for Steely Dan (everybody should
have these :-)
Can't Buy A Thrill (1972)   242Mb
Countdown To Ecstasy (1973)   238Mb
Pretzel Logic (1974)   199Mb
Katy Lied (1975)   206Mb
The Royal Scam (1976)   245Mb
Aja (1977)   236Mb
Gaucho (1980)   216Mb
Two Against Nature (2000)   331Mb
Everything Must Go (2003)   257Mb  == as WAV it takes 466Mb

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[slim] Cue sheets and missing MP3 songs

2005-04-10 Thread johnduley

Using Slimserver 6.0.1 - trunk on Ubuntu linux (Debian!).  Player is
SB2.

When browsing music MP3 folders that contain cue sheets, the last MP3
in each folder refuses to be listed/played by the Slimserver. If I
delete the cue sheet, all MP3s list correctly (and PLAY!) in the
folder.

I do not see any of this weirdness with folders that contain FLACs and
cue sheets.  

Somebody will ask why I have cue sheets in folders of separate MP3s. 
It's because EAC creates them.  Don't wanna delete them unless I
absolutely have to.

Also, this behaviour has not been fixed by the latest nightly.

Any ideas anyone?  Thanks in advance.  Y'all are wonderful here.  :-)


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[slim] Music Match Integration (was RE: Fishbone Home button problem)

2005-04-10 Thread garysargent

I've done all this and it looks like MusicMatch integration should all
be working.

SlimServer spent ages loading the MusicMatch database (I turned on
debugging and saw it doing this).

But how does it work?! I never see the mm even on tracks I know MM
has processed.

When I hold play down it just goes to save playlist.

I have a SLIMP3 - is this a SlimServer only feature?


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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze Audio Buffer Underrun

2005-04-10 Thread Neil Cameron
The latest example from the debug log is:

26169765 [SlimTCP-1] DEBUG player - httpRequest=GET 
/stream.mp3?player=38:bc:7c:16:87:63 HTTP/1.0
26169765 [SlimTCP-1] DEBUG player - parsed strm: command=u format=109 
crossfade=0 ipaddr=localhost port=9000 
file=/stream.mp3?player=38:bc:7c:16:87:63 authType=null authPassword=null 
autostart=1
26169781 [SlimTCP-1] DEBUG player - start: state 2
26171953 [AudioStream-122] DEBUG javasound - audio stream closed

I think that's a new one...

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 Neil Cameron wrote:

I've just upgraded to 6.1 and am trying it now.

Meanwhile, can you help with the 2b2 versus 2b3 problem?  I keep 
installing 2b3, or so I think, and the opening flash Window says 2b3 - but 
when I go to look it always says 2b2.  How is that?


 I have checked both the slimserver 6.0.1 and 6.1 releases, and they do 
 include Softsqueeze 2.0b3. I wonder if it is a caching problem with java 
 web start. You could try opening the Java Control Panel (in you WinXP 
 Control Panel), and deleting the temporary internet files.

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Re: [slim] Music Match Integration (was RE: Fishbone Home button problem)

2005-04-10 Thread kdf
Quoting garysargent [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 I've done all this and it looks like MusicMatch integration should all
 be working.

 SlimServer spent ages loading the MusicMatch database (I turned on
 debugging and saw it doing this).

 But how does it work?! I never see the mm even on tracks I know MM
 has processed.

 When I hold play down it just goes to save playlist.

 I have a SLIMP3 - is this a SlimServer only feature?

it is a slimserver feature, so it does not matter if you have softsqueeze,
slimp3, sb1 or sb2.  even http clients will work.

c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe --d_musicmagic
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[slim] Music Match Integration (was RE: Fishbone Home button problem)

2005-04-10 Thread garysargent

ok thats good, but how do you actually use it then?!

I thought you could play a song, then tell it to generate a new
playlist from the song.

Is there a way to do this from the web interface, because when I try
with the SLIMP3 remote (holding down play) all I get is the save
playlist display.

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[slim] Re: 6.0 occassional high CPU usage for extended periods

2005-04-10 Thread Tourne

I'm getting exactly this behaviour.  Periodic very high CPU activity
from slim.exe that lasts up to 20 minutes and stops the player.  My
library is about 25k songs.
Having said that, although I'm trying to get it to use iTunes, I've not
succeeded as yet, so I don't know if that is the issue, or not.

Tourne

Healy Wrote: 
 Mine will peg out at 99% for 10-15 mins each time it does a rescan of
 the itunes library.  Even if I've just quit the iTunes and made no 
 changes
 (IE: updates the time stamp of the xml file).  It jumps up to 99% and 
 scans
 through the whole library again.
 
 Meanwhile while that is happening, more than half the time, the music 
 will
 cut out  the squeezebox will state Can't find slimserver. 
 Sometimes
 it will come back on and play for 1-2 seconds and they go dead for 
 another
 2 minutes.  After the CPU goes back down to normal levels, the music 
 comes
 back on.  This happens wired or wireless.  I used to have it check for
 
 iTunes
 changes every hour, now I have it set to weeks to try and avoid that.
 
 This happened once in a while in the 5.x series but seem to happen now
 
 every
 time it detects an iTunes change.  It's getting to the point when I 
 can't even rely
 on the squeezebox for a party anymore.  Very disappointing.
 
 Is this the norm for users with huge libraries of music from now on?
 
 -Healy
 
 
 On Apr 9, 2005, at 12:48 AM, Mark Bennett wrote:
 
  The library scanning is much more CPU intensive than it was before.
 
  My collection of ~6k songs takes about 6 or 7 minutes to scan on
  a P4, 3.4GHz with 1GB RAM. Scaling that up to your music library
  size and CPU speed and it seems about right. This will happen
  at startup the first time, but it shouldn't need to do it again
  unless you've added music.
 
  On Fri, 2005-04-08 at 23:35 -0700, Healy wrote:
  I've been having 99% CPU usage for long periods of time since 
  switching
  to 6.0.  Currently using
  the 4/7 nightly with the same issues.  On start up it pegs at 99%
 CPU
  for about 75 mins.
  I have 26,000 songs on the server.   I've removed all the plugins
  except for:
 
  Datetime Screensaver
  Rescan Music Library
  Shoutcast
  Save Playlist
  iTunes
 
  It still seems to peg out
 
  Server is AMD 1.6ghz w/ 1.0gb ram, Debian Linux
  Nothing else running except for sshd and basic init
  functions.
 
 
 
 
  On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:42 AM, Daryle A. Tilroe wrote:
 
  Daryle A. Tilroe wrote:
  Charles Stanton wrote:
  (We'll try this again).
  I am using the 3/23 nighly and from time to time on start-up,
  slim.exe
  will max out (96 - 99%) the CPU for 30 minutes or more before
  settling
  down.  No new music has been added.  I don't think it should be
  re-scanning.
 
  Generally it settles down within 5 minutes or so.
 
  The library is about 9K songs.  The computer is PIII 933 MHz,
 512
  RAM, W2K Pro.
  It is dedicated to the slimserver and musicmagic, which is also
  running.
  I had something similar but possibly unrelated.  For the last
 week
  and a half
  I have been running the compiled 3/14 nightly under WinXPProSP1.
  Tonight I noticed the service had gone rogue and was using all
  available cycles.  This was after a week of uptime and nowhere
 near
  a rescan and nothing was even playing.  I just killed the service
 
  and
  upgraded to 3/24.  We shall see if it crops up again.
 
  OK It did it again and much faster (less than 36 hours); also I
 don't
  think I even fired up the player.  I currently suspect the RSS 
  plugin.
  I turned it off and will wait a few days and see.
 
 
 


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Re: [slim] Music Match Integration (was RE: Fishbone Home button problem)

2005-04-10 Thread kdf
Quoting garysargent [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 ok thats good, but how do you actually use it then?!

 I thought you could play a song, then tell it to generate a new
 playlist from the song.

 Is there a way to do this from the web interface, because when I try
 with the SLIMP3 remote (holding down play) all I get is the save
 playlist display.

when you are browsing through items, you will see an 'm' icon on the player
display.  that means you can then press and hold play to create a mix based on
that item.  press and hold play in the playlist mode saves the playlist, as you
have already discovered.

player ui and web ui are basically the same in this way. the mixing is done from
teh browse modes.  The difference is that the web displays all mixers at once,
while the player UI will insert an extra step to choose which mixer you want,
if more than one is available.

the command line I gave you is so that you can see what is going on with the
musicmagic communication, since you seem to be unable to sort out why you are
not seeing any integration.

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Re: [slim] Built-in Radio plugins

2005-04-10 Thread Michael Herger
Philip
I just installed the latest nightly on my Windows machine and I did not  
have the double entries. What release did you use?

This is an issue with the 6.1 Windows build: I have added web interfaces
to those plugins, they therefore moved to their own subfolders. But the
original files have not been removed. I hope this will soon be fixed.
Also Live365 seems to have its own subfolder now, but it seems that the  
live365.pm in plugins folder is still required.  I've removed the other  
original files and restarted slimserver.
This is strange as I don't have that Live365 folder nor did I touch the  
Live365 plugin, yet (I first want to finish ShoutcastBrowser).

What's missing? I'm still working on Shoutcast (mainly memory
optimisations), but they should work.
Shoutcast, SimDevices Picks, and RadioIO seem to work; I can't see  
anything for Live365 though.  The items aren't in any particular order  
in the browse drop-down list (or the plugins list).
I haven't touched Live365, yet. Picks and RadioIO were pretty straight  
forward. I'm still working on Shoutcast, mainly memory optimisation and  
integration of the recently played feature into the web interface.

The interface to the plugins - there is still a duplicate Shoutcast  
preference panel (appears in Plugins and Internet Radio prefs pages).
This is by design (I guess).
I have a question about the Shoutcast prefs.  Does the Number of  
Streams preference apply to browsing through both the Web Interface and  
SB?  I thought the reason for cutting back the number of streams was  
because it would be tiresome to browse through the SB, but through the  
web interface, it's perhaps better that this restriction doesn't apply?
It's the number of streams that's requested from Shoutcast's server. I  
guess it was originally meant to prevent timeouts while downloading the  
list. Limiting the number of streams won't considerably limit the number  
of menu entries as it's sorted into genres.

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[slim] 6.0.1 bugs

2005-04-10 Thread jmpage2

Couple of things I wonder if anyone else is experiencing.

Browse by Artist... if I go to browse music, browse by artist and hit
the j button on the keypad it jumps to the j artists but it is in
the middle of the artist list instead of being at the top of the j
artist listings.

Shuffle/Unshuffle behavior.  When shuffling or unshuffling a large
playlist the server will lock up and stop responding, the players will
disconnect and reconnect 20-40 seconds later.  Is anything being done
to optimise shuffle/unshuffle behavior?

All in all though a very solid release, thanks SD!


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[slim] Re: Mis-match song playing and web-interface

2005-04-10 Thread Tourne

I have something similar but not quite the same.  In the SlimServer
window on the server, the highlighted song in the play list doesn't
change at all, so the first played song remains highlighted.  However,
in the now playing area and on the Slimp3 display, the correct
information about the current song is shown.  This seems to be
consistent behaviour.  

If I then add songs to the playlist, it causes the display of the
playlist to be refreshed and the currently playing song becomes
highlighted.  Then, this song remains highlighted as the current song
moves on.

Tourne

shaboyi Wrote: 
 appears to be a bug with 6.0.x 4/8 windows -- a couple of times the
 web interface and display will indicate it is playing the song in a
 playlist that is the one before the song that  is actually playing
 (refreshing the browser does not change it). this continues as the
 next song plays (ie, it is always one behind in terms of what is
 actually playing).  it is odd.  does not occurr all the time.
 
 Any ideas?


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RE: [slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Phillip Kerman
Shoot, most of my 5.25 disks that had sat in 
 a box for 10 years worked the last time I went through them 
 before their ultimate disposal.

I think that magnetic media--although it's sensitive to fields--is notably
better for long-term archiving.  I believe CDs are estimated at about 10
years where magnetic is like 20.  CD media is metal that will rust where
rust (on disk) won't rust.  I think it's a pretty interesting topic
actually.

Thanks,
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Re: [slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Jeff Coffler
From: radish [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I keep meaning to compile some statistics on the average size of my
compressed albums, but a quick scan shows they tend to be between
200-400MB
Wow. Mine average 500, I must have some kind of broken FLAC codec ;)
Mine are much shorter as well.  Here's a short sample:
225356  Billy Joel/The Stranger
297292  Billy Joel/Storm Front
621032  Billy Joel/Greatest Hits
1143716 Billy Joel/
268332  Bruce Springsteen/Darkness Of The Edge Of Town
229276  Bruce Springsteen/Greetings from Asbury Park, N.J
304836  Bruce Springsteen/Born In The U.S.A
506368  Bruce Springsteen/The River
286272  Bruce Springsteen/The Wild, The Innocent  The E Street Shuffle
1367888 Bruce Springsteen/Live 1975-85
215872  Bruce Springsteen/Nebraska
282456  Bruce Springsteen/Tunnel Of Love
231556  Bruce Springsteen/Born to Run
3692948 Bruce Springsteen/
I use maximum compression when I rip the albums.
Note that Billy Joel/Greatest Hits is 2 disks, Bruce Springsteen/The River 
is 2 disks, and Bruce Springsteen/Live is 3 disks.

So, on average, I seem to do much better than your average.  Check your 
compression settings.

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[slim] Re: Running with MySQL on Windows

2005-04-10 Thread JJZolx

BKDotCom Wrote: 
 See this:
 http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/old-client.html
Thanks.  That worked.

I changed the password to an old style password and SlimServer
started up.

Why, if MySQL 4.1 is recommended, does SlimServer use old style
passwords rather than the type introduced in MySQL 4.1?  I'm guessing
the password style is actually in the ActiveState Perl modules
downloaded, so maybe a different package is needed with MySQL 4.1, or
perhaps a configuration setting somewhere is needed.


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Re: [slim] Re: Slightly OT: Small Amplifier recommendations

2005-04-10 Thread Todd Fields

--- Mike Hanson
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 Cheap and apparently good: 

http://www.si-5.com/frontEnd/cm_productDetail.jsp?productID=18.
 
 Reviewed here:  http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/t-amp_e.html. 
 Just set
 the volume at a fixed position, and use the SB for volume
 control.

I bought one of these T-Amps at Target.com (not availabe in
their retail stores) for use with a SLIMP3.  It is intended for
portable applications so it does not come with an AC adapter (it
runs on D batteries) so you will have to purchase one
separately.

As soon as I got it my wife decided to remodel our son's room
(it was his SLIMP3) so it's been put in a box and has never been
used.  Hopefully, I will break it out soon and try it.  I'll
report back and let you know how it works.



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[slim] Re: SQL

2005-04-10 Thread BKDotCom

Working now..
don't know what I did.
I did reset the user password..  beats me

Any chance the MySQL dbi stuff could be packaged with future releases?


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[slim] Upgrading froom 6.0 to 6.0.1

2005-04-10 Thread BKDotCom

Probably asked before (I did search) but:
Can 6.0.1 be installed directly over 6.0?
I've always uninstalled first..

Would the DB be maintained?  (if using default SQLite)
How about if using MySQL? ( would prefs be overwritten / need to
reinstall the MySQL dbi components )

Thanks


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Re: [slim] Re: Missing Files On ReScan v6

2005-04-10 Thread Ben Sandee
On Apr 10, 2005 12:52 PM, maurice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ...but I see another problem: the Fishbone navigation bar for titles
 now looks like this:
 
 ( Z 1 2 S 5 8 1 9 A B A P A O A M A C A E A L B R B T B J F B V B E B H
 B N B L B H P B P E B H B C T C F B C O C L C F C L C I D W D H D S D E
 B E D A M E C E I E F A B F I F P B F N F H S F S G C G R G H B H W H B
 H C H J H M H I H I C S I O I C I J C J B W T J K P K B L T L K L F L H
 M P L 1 L H L T L M L M C M T M G M S M N F N J N O U O P B P H P A P G
 P U P G Q R A R S L R A R B R J R D R S U S M S I S B S T S N S B S W S
 B S C S A S A S V S A S T O T H T S T E T S T F T L T A M T B T P T W T
 L T U T U V W G W I W O W A W X Y T Y C Y Z A Z
 

Maurice,

I know that Slimdevices developers are working hard to resolve this
problem.  It seems to be intermittent and you are not alone -- I've
seen this problem before myself and resolved it by doing the following
steps:

1) shutdown slimserver
2) remove the slimserver.db file (not sure where exactly it is on your system)
3) start slimserver, let it scan completely
4) restart slimserver again

I generally try to minimize my interaction with slimserver during this
initial scan -- may be paranoia but it seems that the problem occurs
more often if I'm messing with the server while I rescan.

Some of these steps may not be required, but it's what I have
successfully done when I get bit by this bug.  FYI, I rescan my tracks
a lot because of two reasons:
1) I'm retagging everything lately to include the proper year tag
because slimserver updates it
2) I'm tracking the svn branch and am following a few tagging bugs so
I choose to do complete scans from scratch to verify them.

HTH,
Ben
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Re: [slim] Re: Running with MySQL on Windows

2005-04-10 Thread Christian Pernegger
 Not Windows specific, but can slimserversql.db be safely deleted after
 switching to MySQL?

I'd guess so... worked on linux :)

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Re: [slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Robert Wallace
I have a lot of CDs that were originally released on vinyl.  That limits 
them, in most cases, to 25-40 minutes in length.  Considering the 
rule-of-thumb of a bit over 10 MB / minute of audio, uncompressed and 
approx 50% compression with FLAC,  I generally get 200 - 250 MB (in 
FLAC) for a 30 minute album, er... CD.

Newer releases *generally* have longer running times and will, of 
course, take more MBs.  So I'd guess. radish, that most of your CDs fall 
in the newer release category.  Of course, you can trade processing 
time and get a bit better compression, if you set up your FLAC program 
that way, but even the highest compression settings aren't going to get 
you much over 50% (consistently) with FLAC.

Robert
radish wrote:
I keep meaning to compile some statistics on the average size of my
compressed albums, but a quick scan shows they tend to be between
200-400MB
   

Wow. Mine average 500, I must have some kind of broken FLAC codec ;) 
More seriously, I think it must have to do with the type of music. I
always see people saying that you get decent compression with FLAC, and
that albums come in at 300MB or so, but the majority of mine seem to be
500 or higher. I have a number around 600 - seems like very little
compression going on there. It's my personal theory (backed up by very
little evidence) that it depends on the level of dynamics within the
music.

 

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[slim] Re: Squeezebox2

2005-04-10 Thread Old Guy

Dean or anybody,

My SB1 (still waiting for Platinum SB2 :-) sometimes has trouble
connecting wireless network since I changed to Belkin Pre-N as well as
Slimservre 6.  Would you kindly let me know how you set up the Belkin
Pre-N router?

Sometimes it finds wireless network quickly (distance is several feet
and normally strength is 80% range) and slimserver 6 runs smoothly. 
But after a while of listening, drop out starts and then stops.  SB1
needs to be powered down, but it won't connect the wireless network,
etc.  It usually takes a while - after repowering SB1 several times
with various intervals, rebooting PC, restarting router, etc. - until I
can listen to the music again.  My music files are WAV, and No limit. 
Thanks in advance.

Ken


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[slim] Softsqueeze 2.0b3 trouble

2005-04-10 Thread Neil Coburn



I am running 
Slimserver 6.0.1, which generally is working really well. However, when I start 
and sync Softsqueeze, all I get is white noise from the Softsqueeze itself, and 
it resets the volume on the synced SB1 to 0. Any 
fixes?


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Re: [slim] SlimScrobbler

2005-04-10 Thread Stewart Loving-Gibbard
Dave:
Ian Parkinson has been working diligently on a new version for 6.0,
which is available via CVS. I'm running 6.0, but haven't made time
to try it myself.
I need to update the web page, but haven't done so yet.
I would appreciate all interested parties pulling the current version
and trying it.
Stewart
Dave Dewey wrote:
Quoting Stewart Loving-Gibbard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

Craig, James (IT) wrote:
I think you will have much bigger problems even if you fix this one! 
The Scrobbler plugin is tied to the old data cache and this code has all
gone now.

Someone needs to rewrite for 6.0 - I have not seen any mails from Stuart
for some time 
but a couple of people have mentioned looking at it. 
I can do it if no-one else is doing so.
I will be gone for the next week, but I will try to look at it
after that.
I have been waiting for 6.0 to go into release before moving to it,
so I have no personal experiences here yet.

Stew, any progress with the SlimScrobbler plugin for 6.0?
dave


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[slim] Re: 6.0.1 bugs

2005-04-10 Thread Dan Sully
* jmpage2 shaped the electrons to say...
Browse by Artist... if I go to browse music, browse by artist and hit
the j button on the keypad it jumps to the j artists but it is in
the middle of the artist list instead of being at the top of the j
artist listings.
I'll let someone who's more familiar with that code respond..
Shuffle/Unshuffle behavior.  When shuffling or unshuffling a large
playlist the server will lock up and stop responding, the players will
disconnect and reconnect 20-40 seconds later.  Is anything being done
to optimise shuffle/unshuffle behavior?
Yes - this is one of the higher priority items for 6.1
-D
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Re: [slim] Built-in Radio plugins

2005-04-10 Thread Philip Meyer
Hi Michael Herger [EMAIL PROTECTED],

I just installed the latest nightly on my Windows machine and I did not  
have the double entries. What release did you use?

SlimServer_v2005-04-09.exe, but currently running in a console with perl 
slimserver.pl.

This is strange as I don't have that Live365 folder nor did I touch the  
Live365 plugin, yet (I first want to finish ShoutcastBrowser).

I frequently install the latest nightly straight over the top - perhaps its 
something left over from ages ago.

Phil

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[slim] Re: Upgrading froom 6.0 to 6.0.1

2005-04-10 Thread Dan Sully
* BKDotCom shaped the electrons to say...
Probably asked before (I did search) but:
Can 6.0.1 be installed directly over 6.0?
I've always uninstalled first..
Would the DB be maintained?  (if using default SQLite)
How about if using MySQL? ( would prefs be overwritten / need to
reinstall the MySQL dbi components )
Shouldn't be an issue - We don't overwrite an existing prefs file.
-D
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[slim] Re: Running with MySQL on Windows

2005-04-10 Thread Dan Sully
* BKDotCom shaped the electrons to say...
Not Windows specific, but can slimserversql.db be safely deleted after
switching to MySQL?
Yes.
-D
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Re: [slim] Re: SQL

2005-04-10 Thread Jonathan Greene
actually AOL and GMail are on Sync

using imap.aol.com for aol IMAP


-Original Message-
From: BKDotCom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 3:08 pm
Subject: [slim] Re: SQL

Working now.. don't know what I did.
I did reset the user password..  beats me

Any chance the MySQL dbi stuff could be packaged with future releases?
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Re: [slim] Re: SQL

2005-04-10 Thread Jonathan Greene
sorry totally wrong list!

-Original Message-
From: Jonathan Greene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: [slim] Re: SQL

actually AOL and GMail are on Sync

using imap.aol.com for aol IMAP
-Original Message-
From: BKDotCom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, Apr 10, 2005 3:08 pm
Subject: [slim] Re: SQL

Working now.. don't know what I did.
I did reset the user password..  beats me

Any chance the MySQL dbi stuff could be packaged with future releases?
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Re: [slim] Built-in Radio plugins

2005-04-10 Thread kdf
Quoting Philip Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi Michael Herger [EMAIL PROTECTED],

 I just installed the latest nightly on my Windows machine and I did not
 have the double entries. What release did you use?
 
 SlimServer_v2005-04-09.exe, but currently running in a console with perl
 slimserver.pl.

 This is strange as I don't have that Live365 folder nor did I touch the
 Live365 plugin, yet (I first want to finish ShoutcastBrowser).
 
 I frequently install the latest nightly straight over the top - perhaps its
 something left over from ages ago.

Live365.pm used to also require Live365/Live365API.pm.  at some point they were
merged into a single Live365.pm.  It should be harmless.

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[slim] Daytime screensaver wierdness on SB2

2005-04-10 Thread rephlex

I'm running the daytime screensaver when my SB2 is turned off. This
morning the time it displayed was off by at least three hours and one
second took more like 5 seconds to turn which is prolly why it was
three hours behind. When I turned the SB2 on, the time started racing
and setting itself to the actual time before turning on the box. How
does the daytime screensaver work ? Does the screensaver run totally
independent from SlimServer within the SB2 ? How can it get so out of
sync with the actual time ?

-MarcW


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[slim] iTunes playlist regression

2005-04-10 Thread Paul Forgey

I just upgraded to version 6.0.1 on Windows XP.  While slimserver is
able to see my iTunes data just fine, it no longer shows my iTunes
playlists.  While I do not remember exactly which version of the
software I was running before the upgrade, it used to work.

This was also a known problem a while back on one particular 5.x
release.


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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze Audio Buffer Underrun

2005-04-10 Thread Richard Titmuss
Neil Cameron wrote:
Any luck with the logs?
Is there any chance that this problem is related to the fact that (no matter 
what I do) I can only run SoftSqueeze 2b2 and not 2b3?

 

Sorry I have been busy over the weekend, and only just had a chance to 
have a look. I don't understand why you are having problems running the 
newer version, but that won't make a difference here. The only 
difference between these versions is a fix to allow Softsqueeze to run 
on Java 1.4, I had  accidentally broken this.

In the logs you sent me it looks like the audio decoder stopped part way 
through the track, have you tried using jlayer instead of the Java MP3 
Plugin? If this does not make any difference could you send me offlist a 
log including javasound, player and player verbose debug, it is not 
obvious what's gone wrong here.

Regards,
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Re: [slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread Mark Bennett
Well for single albums, mine seem to vary between pretty small
and very large:

   164M/media2/Flac/Enya/Watermark
to
   689M/media2/Flac/Fish/Mixed Company

(This CD is so long that I can't rip the last track, and I've
tried 4 different DVD drives on Linux and Windows... It's also
a live recorded CD, so is probably not as clean as a studio
CD, I guess this could affect the compression ratio.)

Overall the largest album is:

   1.5G/media2/Flac/Yes/Keys to Ascension

(which is a 4-disc set - I rip and tag multi-disc albums
as if they were one long album).

About 380 of 509 albums are less than 400MB, and on a first
analysis they seem to be fairly evenly distributed through
the range.


On Sun, 2005-04-10 at 09:01 -0700, radish wrote:
  I keep meaning to compile some statistics on the average size of my
  compressed albums, but a quick scan shows they tend to be between
  200-400MB
 
 Wow. Mine average 500, I must have some kind of broken FLAC codec ;) 
 More seriously, I think it must have to do with the type of music. I
 always see people saying that you get decent compression with FLAC, and
 that albums come in at 300MB or so, but the majority of mine seem to be
 500 or higher. I have a number around 600 - seems like very little
 compression going on there. It's my personal theory (backed up by very
 little evidence) that it depends on the level of dynamics within the
 music.
 
 
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Re: [slim] Softsqueeze 2.0b3 trouble

2005-04-10 Thread Richard Titmuss
Neil Coburn wrote:
I am running Slimserver 6.0.1, which generally is working really well. 
However, when I start and sync Softsqueeze, all I get is white noise 
from the Softsqueeze itself, and it resets the volume on the synced 
SB1 to 0.  Any fixes?
What version of Softsqueeze are you running, make sure it is 2.0b3. 
Otherwise what music format are you listening to? The problem where the 
volume resets is a known slimserver issue. I am not sure if this has 
been fixed or not.

Richard
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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze2.0b3 and 6.1.0 nightlies

2005-04-10 Thread Richard Titmuss
PAUL WILLIAMSON wrote:
When starting up the softsqueeze that comes with the 6.1.0 
nightly from 4/9, I get a message saying it is not the latest.
I went to the sf site and that is sporting the same version 
I'm running.  Are there ss nightlies too?

Paul
 

I've not written the version for slimserver 6.1 yet, but by the time 
this version of the slimserver is released I will have :). The main 
feature I am planning is a much improved music search/playlist. 
Softsqueeze 2.0b3 is the latest version at the moment.

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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze Audio Buffer Underrun

2005-04-10 Thread Neil Cameron
I did try JLayer - it made no difference.  I'll email some new logs...

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Richard Titmuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Neil Cameron wrote:

Any luck with the logs?
Is there any chance that this problem is related to the fact that (no 
matter what I do) I can only run SoftSqueeze 2b2 and not 2b3?


 Sorry I have been busy over the weekend, and only just had a chance to 
 have a look. I don't understand why you are having problems running the 
 newer version, but that won't make a difference here. The only difference 
 between these versions is a fix to allow Softsqueeze to run on Java 1.4, I 
 had  accidentally broken this.

 In the logs you sent me it looks like the audio decoder stopped part way 
 through the track, have you tried using jlayer instead of the Java MP3 
 Plugin? If this does not make any difference could you send me offlist a 
 log including javasound, player and player verbose debug, it is not 
 obvious what's gone wrong here.

 Regards,
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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze Audio Buffer Underrun

2005-04-10 Thread Richard Titmuss
Neil Cameron wrote:
I did try JLayer - it made no difference.  I'll email some new logs...
 

Hmm. Please could you run Softsqueeze from the command prompt (see the 
Softsqueeze website for instructions), and when the audio has stopped 
get a thread dump by pressing Ctrl-Break in the console. If you could 
include that with the logs it might help here.

Thanks,
Richard
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[slim] Re: Unwanted 'synchronisation'

2005-04-10 Thread relen

rtitmuss Wrote: 
 Press the apple key (ctrl on windows) while dragging the remote window,
 
 you can move it [remote and display] separately then.

Thanks! I should have known that, I think... In fact I thought I'd
tried it and failed... anyway it works fine. 

rtitmuss Wrote: 
 Check in the networking tab of the 
 Softsqueeze preferences. If this is the case then the slimserver will 
 only think you have one player, each player must have a unique mac
 address.

I'm afraid all the devices, real and virtual, have different MAC
addresses, so that's not it, unfortunately. Good thought though!

Thanks,
--Richard E


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Re: [slim] Re: SQL

2005-04-10 Thread kdf
Quoting JJZolx [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 BKDotCom Wrote:
  Any chance the MySQL dbi stuff could be packaged with future releases?
 That would certainly save some folks a bit of grief.

the fact that the code to allow the option should make it clear that it will be
in a future release.  however, it stands now as an unsupported feature.  so,
when it will become a standard, supported option depends on when enough of the
other priorities clear up to leave enough time to lend support to it.

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Re: [slim] SlimScrobbler

2005-04-10 Thread Dave Dewey
Quoting Stewart Loving-Gibbard ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):


 Ian Parkinson has been working diligently on a new version for 6.0,
 which is available via CVS. I'm running 6.0, but haven't made time
 to try it myself.
 
 I need to update the web page, but haven't done so yet.
 
 I would appreciate all interested parties pulling the current version
 and trying it.

Great, thanks!

Here are the commands to run to pull the latest CVS for those that don't
know (linux command line, these two commands should each be on ONE LINE):

cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/slimscrobbler login

cvs -z6 -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/slimscrobbler checkout 
SlimScrobbler

I will install 6.01-1 and try it out, thanks Stewart and Ian!  A working
SlimScrobbler is all that's holding me up from buying an SB2.  

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[slim] Re: 6.0.1 bugs

2005-04-10 Thread jmpage2

Thanks Dan-o


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[slim] Re: Backing up ripped music

2005-04-10 Thread radish

Well, yes, most of my albums are full, i.e. 72 mins, which will make
them larger than 40-45 mins pop albums. But, I'm still not seeing the
ratios. For example, I took a random selection of 4 tracks from an
album, and compared them at different settings:

4 tracks, total play time 16:06

WAV: 162mb
FLAC (0): 129mb (1.26:1)
FLAC (4): 122mb (1.32:1)
FLAC (8): 117mb (1.38:1)

[FYI - I use 4 as my default setting)

The best I could get for these settings is a ratio of approx 1.4:1, no
where near the touted 2:1 (50%). Looking over my collection, this is
fairly typical. I'm not suggesting other people are lying, and there's
nothing wrong with my compression settings, so that's why I'm assuming
that it's the style of music.


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Re: [slim] Newbie question

2005-04-10 Thread Damon Riley
Mike, it sounds as if the slimdevices combo will work for you.  My music 
library is about a third the size of yours.  A Pentium II is running 
Linux and the slimserver.  The other two PCs in the house (one Windows 
PC on wireless and one wired Linux PC) can both operate the slimserver 
and control the squeezebox.  An added benefit is that both PCs run 
Softsqueeze, too, which gives me easy access to music to play over the PC.

An added benefit with the Squeezebox is that you'll be able to enjoy 
internet radio, too.

The squeezebox can be run into your amplifier for distribution, or you 
can put a separate squeezebox in each location, but if you do, remember 
that the Squeezebox itself isn't an amp, so you'll need someway to get 
the music out to the speakers for each SB.

If I'd had my choice, I'd have run a wired sb instead of a wireless.  I 
sometimes get drop outs when the cordless phone rings.  Although, on the 
other hand, I'd be reaching for the remote to turn down the music when I 
take a call anyway.  It's not a bug, it's a feature!

The gurus on this list will correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. ;-)
-- Damon
mlsignups wrote:
I have 10,000+ mp3 tracks stored on a computer and have been using an
Audiotron for the last few years to stream it to a central amplifier
and distribution system that in turn sends the music out to speakers in
different areas of my house.
I recently put in a new firewall/router and I can't get the Audiotron
to work.  Since the Audiotron is discontinued and a bit quirky at times
I've decided to replace it rather than spend time trying to figure out
the issue.
The squeezbox and slimserver software look like a good alternative.  
My main goal is to have something I can control from any one of 3 PCs
connected over a home network (LAN) with a reasonable interface that
will catalog and play songs stored on a PC that is sitting next to it
in my basement.

Could someone confirm for me that the Squeezbox and Slimserver software
are a good combination for what  I'm trying to do?Also, out of
curiosity, are there one or two products on the market that might be a
reasonable alternative?
Thanks...
Mike

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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze2.0b3 and 6.1.0 nightlies

2005-04-10 Thread PAUL WILLIAMSON
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/10/05 4:47 PM 
 I've not written the version for slimserver 6.1 yet, but by 
 the time this version of the slimserver is released I will have :). 
 The main feature I am planning is a much improved music 
 search/playlist.  Softsqueeze 2.0b3 is the latest version at 
 the moment.

Cool.  I'll sit tight and not worry about it...

Paul

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[slim] Re: iTunes playlist regression

2005-04-10 Thread Dan Sully
* Paul Forgey shaped the electrons to say...
I just upgraded to version 6.0.1 on Windows XP.  While slimserver is
able to see my iTunes data just fine, it no longer shows my iTunes
playlists.  While I do not remember exactly which version of the
software I was running before the upgrade, it used to work.
This was also a known problem a while back on one particular 5.x release.
Paul - we know about this, but I've been unable to reproduce it myself.
Could you send along your iTunes .XML file, and possibly the output of 
--d_itunes?
Thanks.
-Dan
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[slim] Re: Newbie question

2005-04-10 Thread mlsignups

Thanks for your thoughts.  I'll probably order one tonight or tomorrow
based on your info and some other research I've done.


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Re: [slim] SlimScrobbler

2005-04-10 Thread Dave Dewey
Quoting Jack Coates ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

 Stewart Loving-Gibbard wrote:
 Dave:
 
 Ian Parkinson has been working diligently on a new version for 6.0,
 which is available via CVS. I'm running 6.0, but haven't made time
 to try it myself.
 
 I need to update the web page, but haven't done so yet.
 
 I would appreciate all interested parties pulling the current version
 and trying it.

I sent this to Stewart and Ian, but here's an abridged version of what I'm
seeing:

Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/usr/local/slimserver//Plugins/Scrobbler.pm line 424.
Use of uninitialized value in hash element at 
/usr/local/slimserver//Plugins/Scrobbler.pm line 426.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/usr/local/slimserver//Plugins/Scrobbler.pm line 428.
Use of uninitialized value in join or string at 
/usr/local/slimserver/Plugins/SlimScrobbleSupport/Digest/Perl/MD5.pm line 135.
Use of uninitialized value in -e at 
/usr/local/slimserver/Plugins/SlimScrobbleSupport/Scrobbler/Session.pm line 575.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/usr/local/slimserver/Plugins/SlimScrobbleSupport/Scrobbler/Session.pm line 442.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/usr/local/slimserver/Plugins/SlimScrobbleSupport/Scrobbler/Session.pm line 445.
Use of uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at 
/usr/local/slimserver/Plugins/SlimScrobbleSupport/Scrobbler/Session.pm line 457.
2005-04-10 17:51:28.4793 Audioscrobbler could not open ; song record lost!
Use of uninitialized value in -e at 
/usr/local/slimserver/Plugins/SlimScrobbleSupport/Scrobbler/Session.pm line 575.
Use of uninitialized value in -e at 
/usr/local/slimserver/Plugins/SlimScrobbleSupport/Scrobbler/Session.pm line 575.
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[slim] Re: Cue sheets and missing MP3 songs

2005-04-10 Thread johnduley

Many thanks! I will try...


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Re: [slim] Re: SB2: Fast forward with FLAC?

2005-04-10 Thread michael
JayNYC [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Thank you for the fast reply.  Is Fast Forward with FLAC using
 cue-sheets for entire albums going to be hardware dependent (ie:
 Squeezebox 3) or firmware dependent?  If firmware, is there an ETA?

I suspect it's just a matter of teaching slimserver how to find the
right portion of the file to send to the sb2.  If that's the case,
then it shouldn't require new/different hardware or firmware.
Again, this is just my guess.

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Re: [slim] Noise Spike at Song Startup

2005-04-10 Thread dean blackketter
Hi Warc,
Make sure that you have installed the latest version of SlimServer from 
our website.  There was a fix in 6.0.1 for a problem that could cause 
noise at the beginning of a track.

If that's not the issue, it may be that the noise is actually in the 
WAV files themselves.  Is the problem reproducible with specific audio 
files?

-dean
On Apr 10, 2005, at 8:01 PM, warc1 wrote:
I just received my Squeezebox2 a couple of days ago. So far, I am 
really
impressed and quite like it. However, there are a couple of bugs that I
have experienced. The most annoying is a loud noise spike that occurs
during the start of some songs when playing a long playlist. All of my
music files are uncompressed WAV files that are streamed at 1411kbps.
The problem is intermittent, maybe once every 20 songs. It does not
seem to be related to the music file since hitting rewind and replaying
the song will not cause the spike. The spike only occurs immediately
after one song finishes and the next begins. It is loud enough that I
am afraid of damaging my speakers if the volume is set high.

The other problem I have encountered is also intermittent and
relatively rare. Again when playing a long playlist, the server loses
track of the song being played and shows the tag info from the previous
song. As the next song is played, track info from the song that just
finished is displayed. Exiting the playlist and starting it again is
the only way I've found to fix this.
Any help in rectifying these issues would be appreciated.
Warc1
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Re: [slim] Noise Spike at Song Startup

2005-04-10 Thread Jeff Coffler
Hi,
The other problem I have encountered is also intermittent and
relatively rare. Again when playing a long playlist, the server loses
track of the song being played and shows the tag info from the previous
song. As the next song is played, track info from the song that just
finished is displayed. Exiting the playlist and starting it again is
the only way I've found to fix this.
I reported this as a bug:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1329
Haven't been able to isolate it yet ...
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[slim] Re: Squeezebox2, Universal Remote and Me

2005-04-10 Thread cutting

I am seeing the same thing.  My Squeezebox2 does not respond as a JVC
DVD to my universal remote.  And, yes, jvc_dvd is checked in the remote
box on the web interface.  Any ideas?


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Re: [slim] Cue sheets and missing MP3 songs

2005-04-10 Thread michael
johnduley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Using Slimserver 6.0.1 - trunk on Ubuntu linux (Debian!).  Player is
 SB2.

 When browsing music MP3 folders that contain cue sheets, the last MP3
 in each folder refuses to be listed/played by the Slimserver. If I
 delete the cue sheet, all MP3s list correctly (and PLAY!) in the
 folder.

 I do not see any of this weirdness with folders that contain FLACs and
 cue sheets.  

 Somebody will ask why I have cue sheets in folders of separate MP3s. 
 It's because EAC creates them.  Don't wanna delete them unless I
 absolutely have to.

 Also, this behaviour has not been fixed by the latest nightly.

 Any ideas anyone?  Thanks in advance.  Y'all are wonderful here.  :-)

I believe that the cuesheet parsing code currently assumes your
cuesheet points at a single file (regardless of format) that needs to
be subdivided at the cue points.  
If you want to use cuesheet that reference multiple files, you'll
probably want to file a bug report.

Making the server skip cuesheets with multiple file references should
be fairly simple, and may serve your purposes here.  Making the server
actually grok multi-file cuesheets would require more involved coding
changes. 

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[slim] Apple Lossless

2005-04-10 Thread Frank Xavier Ledo
I recently purchased a used SB1 from a coworker upgraded to an SB2.

Since purchasing it I have tried and failed to get SlimServer running on 
Linux to play Apple Lossless files.  I tried FAAD (various versions as 
suggested by many sources) and got nowhere fast (could not find stream in 
... blah blah blah).

Today on a whim I did yet another Google search and found this:

http://crazney.net/programs/itunes/alac.html

Worked on the first try.

I am having a couple issues though that maybe somebody could help with:

First, It seems that all songs start out with a pop.  I am guessing that 
the command line options I set in convert.conf were incorrect and are 
resulting in a linefeed or space at the start of the song.

What I used is:
mov wav squeezebox *
[alac] $FILE$

As a test I tried using alac to convert the file from *.m4a to *.wav, and 
added the wav file to my playlist.  There were no pops.

Second, alac supports PCM output.  Is there any benefit to using this 
instead of wav output?

Thanks in advance for any advice on the above issues.  I hope someone who 
was looking for a decoder for Apple Lossless finds this useful.

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[slim] Re: iTunes playlist regression

2005-04-10 Thread Dan Sully
* Paul Forgey shaped the electrons to say...
When it isn't working, I do get this output on the console every half
second (doesn't seem to be d_ anything):
Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at C:/Program
Files/SlimServer/Slim/Buttons/Playlist.pm line 237.
Are you running the 6.0.1 release?
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Re: [slim] Can I have more slim software players on single ip ?

2005-04-10 Thread Chris Laplante
Is it possible to do something equivalent (I tried this, it bombs) to
the following:

java -jar -Daudio.mixer='/dev/null' SoftSqueeze.jar

I am running multiple SoftSqueeze instances on a server, and
displaying back to lower-power machines that run slimp3slave locally
to handle the audio. This setup works great for the first client
machine, on the second client it plays one song and then stops b/c it
can not open the soundcard on the server (which has nothing hooked to
it).

Essentially I would want to use it as a remote control only, and not
have it play audio at all. Failing that I guess I would have to add
one card per client on the server, or look into esd/nsd so it thinks
it is talking to a card.

Thanks,

-chris
 
On Mar 22, 2005 4:11 PM, Richard Titmuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jack Coates wrote:
 
  b) no one's tried it yet.
 
 Well not true. Someone has tried using four instances of Softsqueeze's
 on a single PC with multiple sound cards. I understand this was
 partially successful, the Softsqueeze players were recognized as
 individual players by the slimserver and correctly played separate
 streams over the appropriate audio card. Sync did not work correctly,
 and we never finished debugging this before the audio cards had to be
 returned.
 
  and c) it's so simple to try, no one understands why you haven't tried
  it yet :)
 
 Yes, it is. Try this: write down the names of the audio mixers you want
 to use from the softsqueeze preferences. The start softsqueeze from the
 command prompt using:
 
 java -Dmacaddress=11:11:11:11:11:11 -Daudio.mixer='Primary Sound Driver'
 -jar SoftSqueeze.jar
 
 Change the mac address to whatever you need, and the audio mixer as
 appropriate. This will override the stored preferences and creates
 additional independent Softsqueeze players on the same PC.
 
 Regards,
 Richard
 
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