[slim] Re: SB2 went bonkers
SB2 was working fine since last evening. I will continue to monitor and if it happens again I will get in touch with SD support. Thanks for the advice, Sean. -- kbelinski ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
seanadams Wrote: > Would it be fair to describe it as a "lower cost, DIY, potentially > higher performance" alternative to a standalone iSCSI system (such as > Promise)? > > I haven't used iSCSI yet myself but it seems like a sound concept... > RAID subsystems work great but are too expensive on a per-GB basis for > home servers. At the lowest entry point, it would be fair to say what you mentioned above, with the addition that it is much easier to create and allocate disks on the fly and with no disruption using SANmelody as opposed to a standalone solution. For SMB's and Enterprise, the fact that they can keep their storage management practice in place while upgrading underlying hardware, and also use different manufacturers storage arrays is a huge benefit. (When you upgrade a storage array you also "throw away" the software functionality which is bound within the hardware as opposed to ugrading the server as with you would with most applcations.) Regarding iSCSI, we have found that the performance approximates that of FC at the 1GB level (without using TOE's). -- ob_kook ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SB2 went bonkers
If you ask have I done anything special recently before the occurrence. Well, I tried the 6.2 nightly on the same PC (I uninstalled 6.1.1 then installed 6.2). This involves firmware upgrade to 16. The key feature I was looking for in 6.2 was not working correctly so I performed a rollback to 6.1.1. All firmware updates were successful. The rollback was ok. The SB2 worked fine. I started noticing the weird problem only after the upgrade and downgrade exercise. Have I done anything wrong in the process? -- kbelinski ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
ob_kook Wrote: > MrC - don't worry about it! I know a bit about storage due to my job, > but am in no way an engineer and am always challenged by F/S issues and > networking. As I said, your post was helpful. > > What I meant by block level is that although SANmelody runs on Windows, > it does not put any kind of signature on the disk. It is served as raw > blocks. Therefore, it can create and serve disks to any operating > system (well, any that has either a Fibre Channel or an iSCSI driver > written for it) including Windows, Linux, various flavors of Unix, > Novell, Mac, and even VMware. Each of those can use virtual disks as if > you actually plugged a physical drive into it. Would it be fair to describe it as a "lower cost, DIY, potentially higher performance" alternative to a standalone iSCSI system (such as Promise)? I haven't used iSCSI yet myself but it seems like a sound concept... RAID subsystems work great but are too expensive on a per-GB basis for home servers. -- seanadams ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SB2 went bonkers
kbelinski Wrote: > I started noticing the weird problem only after the upgrade and > downgrade exercise. Have I done anything wrong in the process? That's a lovely ostrich - BTW they make delicious burgers in case you haven't tried one. No I don't think the upgrade/downgrade is related - when the software is up/downgraded, the firmware is replaced completely. It sounds like a hardware issue since you mention funky pixels on the display. -- seanadams ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
MrC - don't worry about it! I know a bit about storage due to my job, but am in no way an engineer and am always challenged by F/S issues and networking. As I said, your post was helpful. What I meant by block level is that although SANmelody runs on Windows, it does not put any kind of signature on the disk. It is served as raw blocks. Therefore, it can create and serve disks to any operating system (well, any that has either a Fibre Channel or an iSCSI driver written for it) including Windows, Linux, various flavors of Unix, Novell, Mac, and even VMware. Each of those can use virtual disks as if you actually plugged a physical drive into it. -- ob_kook ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SB2 went bonkers
MrC Wrote: > That avatar makes my head dizzy! I knew sombody would complain about it. Sorry. I have now turned that into an ostrich. -- kbelinski ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SB2 went bonkers
Congratulations, this is the most bizarre failure we've ever heard of. I have no idea what would cause it - maybe a bad memory chip or power supply... so strange. If it happens frequently please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can get it swapped out. Never heard of anything like this and would like to take a look at this one if it ends up coming in for replacement. -- seanadams ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SB2 went bonkers
That avatar makes my head dizzy! -- MrC ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
Very cool device. Sorry ob_kook for the first-grade level primer - after reading your subsequent posts, I'm truely embarrased. You said the device does block-level vs. file level access? I'm curious about this - can you explain more? Somewhere there's a file-to-block translation. -- MrC ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB2 went bonkers
I have been using my wireless SB2 for the past few weeks without any problem. For some unknown reasons it decided to go bonkers over the weekend. I managed to recover it. But the same problem has re-occured several times in the last few days. I have no idea when it will happen again. There were multiple problems. They could be related. I am at a loss of how to tackle them. (1). It always begin with hissing noise while playing FLAC (like a badly tuned FM radio). This symptom seems to be similar to http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=11173 (2). Having observed (1), I executed a reboot by pressing and holding the button on remote. After the reboot: (a) MAC address changed resulted in wireless connect failure (mac addr filtering enabled). Disable mac address filtering. (b) Corrupted SSID. eg. "KBNet" became "KBNev". Re-entered as "KBNet" and attempt connect. The next connecting screen still show as "Connecting KBNev..."!?!? Connect failed... (c) Corrupted subnetmask. eg. "255.255.255.0" became "253.253.255.0". (d) Corrupted DNS IP. similar to (c) (e) SB2 display lost its crispness. Dozens of static lit pixels scattered randomly across the display. (3) Tried "factory reset" sequence (Add+Poweron) to no avail. (4). Because the SSID was incorrect and SB2 ignored my manual entry, I had to resort to connecting it using Ethernet cable to recover it. (5). Immediately upon recovery, I forced a firmware update. (6). It is interesting to note that when SB2 is recovered and working normally, the SB2 would regain its screen crispness. The static lit pixels disappear. (7). When things are stable again, I would be able to switch back to wireless mode without any issue. The SB2 is playing fine now. Like I mentioned, (1) to (7) happened several times in the past few days. Appreciate if someone has similar experience to share. --- SB2 firmware 15 SlimServer v6.1.1 official release PC Pentium IV 2.6GHz with 1GB RAM Windows XP SP2 -- kbelinski ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
JJZolx Wrote: > Looks like we posted at the nearly the same time. > > Would SANmelody not work if you use software RAID at the OS level? Looks like we did it again! The answer to the question above is that you can use a software RAID with SANmelody, but in that case cannot use the auto provisioning feature as it requires the use of raw chunks. -- ob_kook ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
JJZolx Wrote: > Does the software also offer redundancy via RAID, or does it do JBOD > (spanning) or something like RAID0 (striping) in order to combine the > disks into single a large volume? What happens in the event of a > single disk failure - do you lose only some files, or do you lose the > whole volume? Redundancy can be achieved via several ways. 1. HA mirroring - in this case you have 2 storage servers that mirror each write as it comes down from the app. You can configure a second NIC on the app server with a failover driver and in this event can always access your data in the event of a disk, path, or storage server failure. 2. Host based mirror - create 2 disks and let the app server do the mirroring. 3. Storage RAID - the storage HBA or controller does RAID5, 0, 1 etc. If you are asking specifically in terms of the auto provisioning feature, there are a couple of things you can do here too. 1. Create 2 seperate pools, and do a copy or snapshot from a disk from pool A to a disk from pool B. 2. Create RAID1+0 before adding them to the pool. This should ensure that if a disk is lost, the whole pool will not be. Personally, I created 2 seperate "pools" (albeit one of the pools contains a single disk) and do a snapshot from one disk to the other. In this way, I also have the capability to roll back to the snapshot if I want. Did this answer your question? -- ob_kook ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
ob_kook Wrote: > RAID can be done at the disk level. i.e. if your adapter will do RAID on > the disks and create a LUN, SANmelody will then take that LUN and > virtualize it. Looks like we posted at the nearly the same time. It sounds to me that if you can add disks to the storage pool then it would likely be using JBOD, which generally means that the loss of a single drive can take out the whole array. Would SANmelody not work if you use software RAID at the OS level? -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Streaming MP3 - CBR vs. VBR
kdf Wrote: > by default, the trancoding is output at 320kbps. VRB/CBR/ABR, this is > as good as mp3 gets, so i think the original plan was to keep it cbr > (why not, since it gave more accurate progress time on the display). > Bitrate limited playback, also CBR basically because for some, that > limit might be a true limit. Using average or Variable would mean that > > there would be times when this was exceeded. Of course, it could be > said that the users should account for this. > > All of this can be done through the convert.conf file, so it is > relatively accessible for users to choose the best for their needs. > > now that Sean has opened up bug 2006, it might be good if some > interested parties tried out a few combinations of -b $BITRATE$ and > -abr $BITRATE$ to see if there are any preferred settings that would be > > good candidates for the default convert.conf > -kdf Agreed on these points: 320 CBR should be the same as 320 [AV]BR! I filed a bug instead of just making the change, because maybe someone has some objection feeedback welcome. BTW I didn't see a spec for lame's period over which the ABR is enforced. I would assume something small, like one second, in which case it should not impact the display of time remaining. -- seanadams ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Streaming MP3 - CBR vs. VBR
by default, the trancoding is output at 320kbps. VRB/CBR/ABR, this is as good as mp3 gets, so i think the original plan was to keep it cbr (why not, since it gave more accurate progress time on the display). Bitrate limited playback, also CBR basically because for some, that limit might be a true limit. Using average or Variable would mean that there would be times when this was exceeded. Of course, it could be said that the users should account for this. All of this can be done through the convert.conf file, so it is relatively accessible for users to choose the best for their needs. now that Sean has opened up bug 2006, it might be good if some interested parties tried out a few combinations of -b $BITRATE$ and -abr $BITRATE$ to see if there are any preferred settings that would be good candidates for the default convert.conf -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
ob_kook Wrote: > I run it on a 1.4GHz AMD / 512MB RAM XP Pro homegrown whitebox with 4 > internal SATA HDD. The software uses the system memory as advanced > storage cache and therefore is significantly faster than a NAS box. It > also works at the block level as opposed to the file level. > > I serve my music disk to a main machine where I do all my ripping, > encoding, and tag maintenance, in R/W mode, and serve the same disk to > any computer or device (including the SlimServer) in read only mode. Since Sean has given it his blessing, I'll ask a couple more questions. Does the software also offer redundancy via RAID, or does it do JBOD (spanning) or something like RAID0 (striping) in order to combine the disks into single a large volume? What happens in the event of a single disk failure - do you lose only some files, or do you lose the whole volume? -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
Well if the CEO sez OK...! A big high-end storage array is just a server anyway when you think about it: CPU's, channels, cache (for performance), and software (or firmware) - oh, and also a bunch of disk drives (made by Seagate, Maxtor, Samsung etc...). DataCore took that idea and decided to leverage commodity kit for the underlying hardware, and focus on the software. What you get is a portable software storage controller. The O/S of the storage server discovers the disk assets that are physically attached, and SANmelody uses a GUI to create the virtual disks. The same GUI is used to map these LUNs to any computer on your network. These application computers see it simply as a disk that they can mount, initialize, format and start banging away with I/O. There are also features that are typically associated with very high end storage arrays: snapshot copies, synchronous mirroring for high availability, Asynchronous IP mirroring for disaster recovery, and auto provisioning. This last one is interesting and was part of my original question. We create a pool of unallocated disk chunks. SANmelody can then create an unlimited number of virtual disks up to 2TB in size. The net result is that I can have, say, 10 2TB volumes allocated to applications (20TB) even though my physical storage is only a few hundred gigs. As the pool is allocated, a warning is issued at a user definable level (default is 80% allocated) and the administrator can add more storage to the pool. The application is unaware of this and so there is no disruption or down time when it comes time to add storage. To get an idea, you can download a free 30 evaluation copy from the DataCore website. (follow the link and hit "try": http://datacore.com/products/prod_SANmelody.asp) Of course, this is an SMB product and still may be priced too high for home use, but there is an entry level "Lite" version that allows for up to 4 HDD to be "virtualized" and that product lists at $199, which is doable for most I think. RAID can be done at the disk level. i.e. if your adapter will do RAID on the disks and create a LUN, SANmelody will then take that LUN and virtualize it. -- ob_kook ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Streaming MP3 - CBR vs. VBR
JJZolx Wrote: > > Unless you're refering to ABR when you say "VBR". :-) > I was! ABR mean "VBR, with this average imposed over a longish period of time." -- seanadams ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Streaming MP3 - CBR vs. VBR
seanadams Wrote: > Right - VBR is always better than CBR except in very special "legacy" > circumstances. The only time I could imagine CBR being useful is if you > have some fixed-rate transmission speed (eg an ISDN line or satellite > link) feeding a decoder with a _very_ small buffer (ie just a couple > mp3 frames). I'm not quite sure we're talking about exactly the same thing. See: http://lame.sourceforge.net/doc/html/modes.html Unless you're refering to ABR when you say "VBR". :-) I can't think of any other reason to use 'Bitrate Limiting' in the player settings other than to control the bandwidth used by the stream, as in the example you give. Both CBR and ABR would accomplish this, while VBR would not. I stream music that is stored as FLAC, transcoded to MP3 over a VPN to my computer at work. In order to keep from eating up a significant portion of our 1.5 Mbps connection at work I limit the bitrate of the stream to 128 kbps. The advantage to ABR is better audio quality at a fixed streaming rate. My understanding is that VBR can give even better audio quality for a particular file size, but since the target is a quality level (0 to 9) then the file size (stream rate) is unpredictable and depends on the material being encoded. -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Backup: REV drive or external HD?
What is the general consensus on the best way to back up our 250GB+ and growing FLAC collections? REV drive and a few REV disks stored at a friends house in event of fire or external hard drive etc.. -- JayNYC ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
ob_kook Wrote: > Actually, I work for the manufacturer and don't want to get into an > advertising thing on the forum, but would be happy to answer any > questions you have privately. Go ahead and tell us! I love the idea of virtualized storage. I am surprised that reasonable solutions to this haven't reached the mass market yet. Would love to just hang another cheap-o buffalo NAS onto the network when I need more space (on a single volume). Bonus points if the software layer automatically manages it all in some raid-5-like fashion. -- seanadams ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
Yes, it is a software program which emulates a LUN and serves the "disk" across a network (iSCSI or Fibre Channel). I run it on a 1.4GHz AMD / 512MB RAM XP Pro homegrown whitebox with 4 internal SATA HDD. The software uses the system memory as advanced storage cache and therefore is significantly faster than a NAS box. It also works at the block level as opposed to the file level. I serve my music disk to a main machine where I do all my ripping, encoding, and tag maintenance, in R/W mode, and serve the same disk to any computer or device (including the SlimServer) in read only mode. Actually, I work for the manufacturer and don't want to get into an advertising thing on the forum, but would be happy to answer any questions you have privately. -- ob_kook ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Streaming MP3 - CBR vs. VBR
JJZolx Wrote: > Yes, I guess ABR makes more sense than VBR, since the point of setting a > bitrate is to specify the the network bandwidth used. > > http://lame.sourceforge.net/doc/html/modes.html Right - VBR is always better than CBR except in very special "legacy" circumstances. The only time I could imagine CBR being useful is if you have some fixed-rate transmission speed (eg an ISDN line or satellite link) feeding a decoder with a _very_ small buffer (ie just a couple mp3 frames). Also the earliest portable mp3 players would barf on VBR because they didn't know how to calculate the song time or something stupid like that. note that in terms of the mp3 format, VBR is really the same as CBR. All mp3 frames have a bitrate which is one of the standard CBR rates. A VBR stream just means that the bitrate can be different from one frame to the next. Encoding with CBR means you're wasting bits when the signal is simple, and depriving yourself of bits when the signal is complex. VBR allows variance so even for the same average bit-rate, you get a much better encoding. -- seanadams ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: What I want, what I really really want is...
cambridge soundworks model twelve portable system -- JayNYC ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
ob_kook Wrote: > I am using SANmelody by DataCore So this is a software product that runs under Windows? What kind of hardware do you have it running on? http://datacore.com -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
Thanks for the primer MrC! I think I do have a fundamental understanding, but this was helpful. The reason I started heading down that path was from the original fact that SlimServer kept reporting that it was scanning even after 10 hours. I also know that backup software doing a block level backup writes all blocks on a disk regardless if they contain null data or not That got me wondering if SlimServer is possibly doing the same thing. But obviously SlimServer is an app at the filesystem level - silly rat-hole to have gone down, really. Even though my collection is not that big, I doubt that very many users are presenting 2TB of disk, but then again if the O/S can handle it, there should be no issue with the app... My assumption now is that this was an anomoly and I will do a re-scan and see what happens. JJZolx - I am using SANmelody by DataCore -- ob_kook ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Streaming MP3 - CBR vs. VBR
seanadams Wrote: > This is wrong. We should be using VBR with the --abr flag to specify an > average bit rate. bug #2006 filed Yes, I guess ABR makes more sense than VBR, since the point of setting a bitrate is to specify the the network bandwidth used. http://lame.sourceforge.net/doc/html/modes.html -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Streaming MP3 - CBR vs. VBR
This is wrong. We should be using VBR with the --abr flag to specify an average bit rate. bug #2006 filed -- seanadams ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Streaming MP3 - CBR vs. VBR
Is there a reason that when transcoding to MP3 SlimServer only uses CBR bitrates instead of VBR? -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Two Laptops on Squeezebox2
Ted Rathkopf Wrote: > > > I saw responses below indicating that using 127.0.0.1 worked instead > of using localhost, but I didn't see anyone say the obvious: The port > should be 9000, not 900. > Ted Rathkopf Oh contraire astute one: mrc Wrote: > And I presume she's doing http://localhost:9000 (not 900 as typo'd in > your original post). -- MrC ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
ob_kook, it seems you might have a little misunderstanding about the difference between disks, partitions, and filesystems, and how applications see these things. If I'm being presumptious, my apologies in advance. I've discovered that many people have the same misunderstanding. A simplistic view is that for each disk, there might be one or more partitions, and for each partition, there is a filesystem. A filesystem is essentially just a database that keeps track of its contents, which are files and more directories. Each directory can have more files and directories and so on. There's more to it than that, but that's the basic idea. All but some key utilities see only whats inside the filesystem, which are files and directories, as these are returned by the operating system when applications ask. Slimserver, being just a normal application, asks the operating system for a list of files and directories from the root of the music folder. It doesn't care about partitions, or how many disks there are in your system, or what size each disk is (it could find out, if it cared or needed to) - it just cares about files and directories. Slimserver looks in the root music folder, gets a list of files, and the list of directories. It examines some key data about each file it cares about (ie. music files), and stores that information in its own database. It also descends into each found directory and repeats the process. As should be obvious now, it doesn't need to ask how large the disk is, or how large each partition is - it only cares about what most applications would care about, and that is files and directories within the filesystem (aka. volume, C drive, /usr/local, etc.). Consider that you can create a very small partition on a very large disk, and create a very small filesystem within that small parition. Only the list of files and directories is what's important to most applications. Hope this helps a bit. -- MrC ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
ob_kook Wrote: > I am a new user of SlimServer and am currently using it in conjunction > with WinAmp (although this will soon change as I am getting an SB2 > soon). > > My music collection is on a storage server that presents a "virtual > disk" over my network via iSCSI. My actual collection takes up about > 120GB of space with about 22,000 songs, but the virtual disk is read by > the application as a 2TB volume. This is normal as I am using a feature > on the storage server which allocates physical storage as it is needed > - much the same way that virtual memory works. > > The SlimServer is running on the storage server as well with the 2TB > "MusicServer" volume being served to it as a read only volume. > > My question is whether SlimServer will try to scan the entire disk, or > only the data? I tried to complete a scan yesterday and it ultimately > failed after "scanning" for more than 12 hours. > > I will try again this evening, but was curious if anyone could tell me > how SlimServer's scanning methodology behaves. SlimServer will scan 22,000 tracks. Doesn't matter if those tracks take up 50 megabytes or 50 terrabytes, and it probably wouldn't make much difference in the time it takes to scan since SlimServer is only looking at metadata - tags, file name, file path, etc. It certainly won't be "scanning" the unused space in the disk volume. BTW, which iSCSI storage server are you using? -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
radish Wrote: > Well it won't scan 2TB if you don't really have 2TB of files will it? > > Takes about 10mins to scan somewhat more than that on my system. > > Is the root it's scanning from dedicated to music or is it the root of > the entire 2TB filesystem (with all your other non-music stuff)? The above was my original question. And considering that you can scan more than I have in about 10 minutes, I have to assume that my original scan encountered problems other than trying to scann the entire disk (including the null data) which caused it to hang. I'll try scanning it again and see what happens later tonight. In answer to your last question, there is no other data on the MusicServer volume. It is recognized by the O/S as a very large disk, has been assigned its own drive letter, but the back end storage application assigns physical chunks from an available pool only as they are required. Hence I have 3 X 2TB logical volumes (movies, music, and pictures respectively), but only 370GB physical. -- ob_kook ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver on Debian Linux
Dan Sully Wrote: > > You probably need to install libexpat-dev: > > apt-get install libexpat1-dev Brilliant. This was *exactly* the same problem I was having. Thanks for the tip - now all built perfectly! :) -- dSw ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox skips end of track
Nick McGrogan wrote: Sure enough, on a sample size of one (!) re-ripping has sorted the problem out, even using the same iTunes software with the same settings. That gives me a work-around at least... In addition to finding a work around, you've also isolated the data that triggers the bug. For at least one of these tracks, please do the following: make a copy of the bug inducing track, re-rip the track, and confirm that the new file doesn't trigger the bug. Please provide these two files to the SD development team. A file comparison between the two should yield a clue as to what is causing the hiccup. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Two Laptops on Squeezebox2
Meanwhile, back at the model home, essbee1964 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I have installed Slimserver on both laptops but can only open and play > music on mine. When I attempt to open Slimserver on hers it says it > cannot connect to the localhost:900 site (after making sure my > Slimserver is closed). I saw responses below indicating that using 127.0.0.1 worked instead of using localhost, but I didn't see anyone say the obvious: The port should be 9000, not 900. -- Ted Rathkopf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezebox skips end of track
dean Wrote: > I'd love a sample file that exhibits this problem attached to a bug > filed at http://bugs.slimdevices.com/ > > Thanks! > On the basis that this request is likely to get raised quite alot I guess I'd better publicise my previously private response. Bug #1972 has been raised for this bug and assigned to Vidur Apparao. Vidur raised a request on that bug note for further log details and an example file illustrating the problem. The log file I have provided with no problem. However, I also e-mailed Vidur to point out that I clearly couldn't legally attach a .mp3 file to a public-access site without owning the copyright in that file... which I don't. I did, however, e-mail Vidur privately with the file, and have since come round to the idea that I'm being a bit prissy... I'll see if I can attach the file to the bug in a moment... I guess that although not strictly legal, the powers that be probably have better things to do than chase over one track... If I stop answering my e-mail though, you'll know what happened. If anyone wishes to start a philosophical discussion about the problems of developing code when the buggy test cases can't be legally distributed, then they're welcome... -- Nick McGrogan ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezebox skips end of track
Simon Still Wrote: > On 8/18/05, ron thigpen wrote: > > Nick McGrogan wrote: > > > > > Does this imply that re-ripping the offending tracks might solve > the > > > problem? (Something that I probably should've tried before but > > > didn't...) > > I've had a lot of this sort of problem. As suggested, try ripping > with a different encoder (i've reripped some stuff before and had the > same issue). My default encoder is Lame at alt-preset-extreme. If i > get problems i rip with iTunes at 256 or 320 constant bit rate - my > theory is that its VBR tracks that cause the most problems. Sure enough, on a sample size of one (!) re-ripping has sorted the problem out, even using the same iTunes software with the same settings. That gives me a work-around at least... -- Nick McGrogan ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Some enterprising person
I had forgotten about SlimCD, sorry about that, I have been playing with it all afternoon as well!! Old Compaq and Dell PC's can be picked up on ebay for £10-£20, add £60 for a 200Gb hard disk and then run slimcd. Most of them only have one or two fans which could be swapped for larger quieter ones if necessary. -- audiofi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Some enterprising person
Someone has posted about a Linux live disk with SlimServer already to go. That would be easy enough for me. http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.php?nr=763&kategorie=slim It's what I'm very happily running on my dedicated server. More details can be found in http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=43590#post43590 -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: High bitrate stream plays in Softsqueeze, not SB2
Many thanks for the independent confirmation. I'll check out the defect report. dean Wrote: > I've confirmed this and have filed bug 1979. > > Thanks for the report. > > -dean > > On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:09 PM, GreenMan wrote: > > > > > Try this one: > > > > http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls? > > rn=598298&file=filename.pls > > -- GreenMan ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Some enterprising person
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 13:35 -0700, audiofi wrote: > Why not just buy an old ex-corporate pc off ebay and load it up with a > couple of large hard disks and put linux on? The OP talked about a simple to buy, simple to use turnkey server. With the current prices of new boxes, the used ones have to be really cheap. Old corporate stuff are typically noisier than I'd want, YMMV, etc. Someone has posted about a Linux live disk with SlimServer already to go. That would be easy enough for me. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Some enterprising person
kdf Wrote: > > > and way down near the bottom, Squeezebox IS listed as a supported > player. > > -k-- > NOT a Slim Devices employee An interesting old thread... http://forums.slimdevices.com/archive/index.php/t-12022.html Looks like there's been a bit of bad blood between MP3Beamer and SlimDevices in the past. MP3Beamer as standalone software does look interesting as a "pay for" alternative to SlimServer. y. -- Yannzola ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Some enterprising person
Why not just buy an old ex-corporate pc off ebay and load it up with a couple of large hard disks and put linux on? Or get an old Sun box which sell for very little and put a large hard disk in. -- audiofi ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Some enterprising person
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/05 4:10 PM >>> > Quoting Dondi Fusco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > The screenshot of the 'Java Interface' has the > > SoftSqueeze java app with the name 'SofttSqueeze' > > still embedded in the app window > > > exactly :) > > and way down near the bottom, Squeezebox IS listed as a > supported player. > D'oh! That's what I get for not scrolling down below the fancy table to the list of receivers that *should* work with it... Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Some enterprising person
Quoting Dondi Fusco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The screenshot of the 'Java Interface' has the > SoftSqueeze java app with the name 'SofttSqueeze' > still embedded in the app window > exactly :) and way down near the bottom, Squeezebox IS listed as a supported player. -k-- NOT a Slim Devices employee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Trouble scanning mp3 files with latest nightlies
I am having trouble with scannign my mp3s from my 'albumsmp3' directory. All my other music in flac, AAC and WMA appears fine as far as I can tell. I can browse my mp3 files in 'browse music folder'. Here is an extract from the scanning process Not sure when this behaviour started as only noticed it tonight, but definetly beent here for ?4 days? Cheers 2005-08-22 20:34:56.2129 itempath: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows and file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3 made file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows 2005-08-22 20:34:56. isList(file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows) == dir 2005-08-22 20:34:56.2258 numitems: 104 2005-08-22 20:34:56.2278 index: -1 2005-08-22 20:34:56.2302 Scan::readList gonna read file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows 2005-08-22 20:34:56.2333 Gonna try to open playlist file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows 2005-08-22 20:34:56.2818 *** didn't find file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows in playlist cache *** 2005-08-22 20:34:56.2839 Treating directory like a playlist 2005-08-22 20:34:56.3302 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After 2005-08-22 20:34:56.3912 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/Hard%20Candy%20[UK%20Bonus%20Tracks%202003] 2005-08-22 20:34:56.4412 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/This%20Desert%20Life 2005-08-22 20:34:56.4999 adding 3 to playlist cache: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows 2005-08-22 20:34:56.5442 Descending into file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows, contains 3 items 2005-08-22 20:34:56.5472 numitems: 104 2005-08-22 20:34:56.5493 index: 0 2005-08-22 20:34:56.5535 itempath: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After and file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows made file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After 2005-08-22 20:34:56.5612 isList(file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After) == dir 2005-08-22 20:34:56.6176 numitems: 104 2005-08-22 20:34:56.6197 index: -1 2005-08-22 20:34:56.6270 Scan::readList gonna read file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After 2005-08-22 20:34:56.6303 Gonna try to open playlist file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After 2005-08-22 20:34:56.6398 *** didn't find file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After in playlist cache *** 2005-08-22 20:34:56.6417 Treating directory like a playlist 2005-08-22 20:34:56.6464 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/01-Round%20Here-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:56.8542 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/02-Omaha-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:57.0302 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/03-Mr.%20Jones-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:57.2333 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/04-Perfect%20Blue%20Buildings-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:57.4226 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/05-Anna%20Begins-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:57.6137 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/06-Time%20and%20Time%20Again-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:57.8123 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/07-Rain%20King-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:57.9901 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/08-Sullivan%20Street-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:58.1739 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/09-Ghost%20Train-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:58.3489 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/10-Raining%20in%20Baltimore-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:58.5457 directory entry: file:///home/john/Music/AlbumsMP3/Counting%20Crows/August%20and%20Everything%20After/11-A%20Murder%20of%20One-August%20and%20Everything%20After-Counting%20Crows.mp3 2005-08-22 20:34:58.74
Re: [slim] Some enterprising person
The screenshot of the 'Java Interface' has the SoftSqueeze java app with the name 'SofttSqueeze' still embedded in the app window http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_java.html -- D --- kdf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Quoting PAUL WILLIAMSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Ironically, I don't think the squeezebox is listed > as supported, but > > the thing is running slimserver, so I can't > imagine it doesn't support > > > > a squeezebox... > > just look through the screenshots... web interface, > Java interface. They look > VERY familiar. I'd say dead cert that a squeezebox > would work just fine with > MP3 Beamer > > -k-- > NOT a Slim Devices employee > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Some enterprising person
Quoting PAUL WILLIAMSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ironically, I don't think the squeezebox is listed as supported, but > the thing is running slimserver, so I can't imagine it doesn't support > > a squeezebox... just look through the screenshots... web interface, Java interface. They look VERY familiar. I'd say dead cert that a squeezebox would work just fine with MP3 Beamer -k-- NOT a Slim Devices employee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
Dan Sully Wrote: > > > In that case, the TPE2 aka BAND field will be treated as > 'ALBUMARTIST'. > I'm sorry if I seem dense, but what? I do all my tagging in Music Library. I guess Album Artist is a database field and not a ID3 tag, then. If I install the 6.2 beta will it treat duplicate album titles by different artists as separate items or am I going to have to add tags for this TPE2 aka BAND field? -- MeSue Sue ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How to find my iTunes Playlists ?
Under server settings i find: Language:English Music folder: F: Playlistfolder: empty Rescan music library: Am I missimg something ? Use iTunes ? Where ? Slimserver and iTunes use the same tracks btw. -- mrmattis ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Some enterprising person
pfarrell Wrote: > > $200+? A large hard drive alone will cost you $100+. I'm just > saying > > create the rough equivalent of an NAS with the balls to run > SlimServer > > with a large library.[/color] > > Just googled ReadyNas, found a review on Tomsnetworking. > http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-217-ProdID-H2H5.php > The review unit was over a grand, An NAS with four 300GB SATA drives will be almost $600 for the drives alone, so yes, we're talking over $1000 for a device with that kind of storage. I don't see such a turnkey system, even with a single relatively small (say 200GB) drive costing under $500 or $600. > There would have to be multiple configurations which would cause > inventory problems, or a Dell-style custom build business. Neither are > cheap at niche volumes. The only (necessary) difference in the configurations would be in quantity and size of hard drives. -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Some enterprising person
On 8/22/05, JJZolx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > is going to create and sell a small, quiet, turnkey computer to run > SlimServer. And make some money doing so. Sorta like the Martian Netdrive? They seem to be gone now, but it was a pretty nifty-looking unit. VIA EPIA-based, quiet, 3.5" HD, built-in Slimserver, etc. - Jacob ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Some enterprising person
I'm an enterprising person, and have three SBs. So this starts to be interesting. On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 10:50 -0700, JJZolx wrote: > jimdibb Wrote: > > No ripping CDs? Where does the music come from? The CD ripping part > > would be one of the best aspects of this type of box. Simple "rip any > > cd inserted and when done, open the drawer for another, repeat" I'm not convinced on this. There are serious options and arguments over ripping, (mp3, flac, wma, cuesheets, etc.) see the slim-ripping list. And there is a non-trivial problem of what do do when CDDB/Freedb is wrong, missing, etc. You have to have this kind of box on a home network, So you _could_ do the ripping on some other box and move the files to a samba share. Then gain, that is what I do with my current setup. > $200+? A large hard drive alone will cost you $100+. I'm just saying > create the rough equivalent of an NAS with the balls to run SlimServer > with a large library. Just googled ReadyNas, found a review on Tomsnetworking. http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-217-ProdID-H2H5.php The review unit was over a grand, There would have to be multiple configurations which would cause inventory problems, or a Dell-style custom build business. Neither are cheap at niche volumes. > I don't really understand the fascination with running SlimServer on an > NAS appliance, and a quiet one at that, but there certainly seems to be > large calling for such a thing. I'm guessing people either want to > place the server in their music listening environment, in which quiet > is a must, or else they keep the thing in their home office or bedroom > and don't want the noise of a traditional PC. There is noise, and then there is noise. When I had my most recent white box built, I told the local store to use $10 fans instead of $3 fans, and the unit is much, much better than the box before where I didn't bother to spec quietness. But that is not the same as quiet enough to go in the main music room with serious speakers, amps, etc. Seems to me that if you want it quiet enough for being in occupied space, you are going to want Tivo or MythTV, etc. functionality while you are at it. Only adds another $100 or so for a real video card. But it requires much more care in the noise side, powersupply, CPU fan, case fans, disk drives, etc. Given that Dell is advertising modern, new machines for under $300 with a legal copy of XP, I'm not seeing a crying need here. Perhaps I should just offer custom configurations on a one-off basis. I think advertising might be the biggest problem. -- other than 24x7 customer support for linux :-) > -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Some enterprising person
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/22/05 1:05 PM >>> > is going to create and sell a small, quiet, turnkey computer to > run SlimServer. And make some money doing so. He already is... > With all the interest in running SlimServer on NAS appliances, > which are really underpowered for the task they're being > asked to perform, this would seem to be a no-brainer. Not really... His name is - Michael Robertson , the product - mp3beamer. The same dude that created mp3.com and Linspire. Ironically, I don't think the squeezebox is listed as supported, but the thing is running slimserver, so I can't imagine it doesn't support a squeezebox... Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
Quoting MeSue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > That must be in the 6.2 nightlies. I've been sticking with 6.1. I'm not > sure how it relates, though, since the issue I described has nothing to > do with various artist albums. What is needed is support for the > AlbumArtist tag, I think. they are related. and, yes, it is the 6.2 nightlies. -k-- NOT a Slim Devices employee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
* MeSue shaped the electrons to say... Dan Sully Wrote: What audio file format in particular are you using? Everything is MP3. In that case, the TPE2 aka BAND field will be treated as 'ALBUMARTIST'. -D -- 31336.5: the neighbor of the l33t ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
Dan Sully Wrote: > What audio file format in particular are you using? Everything is MP3. -- MeSue Sue ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
MeSue Wrote: > That must be in the 6.2 nightlies. I've been sticking with 6.1. I'm not > sure how it relates, though, since the issue I described has nothing to > do with various artist albums. What is needed is support for the > AlbumArtist tag, I think.EAC/FLAC doesn't support the AlbumArtist tag either > - VA albums can be put in a VA specific directory, but the tags are Album and TrackArtist. I think it actually is quite complicated to cover all the eventualities - but there's really no need to worry about it 'cos Slim are on the case! -- Patrick Dixon www.at-view.co.uk ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
Does the common album titles setting support wildcards? If so, then I could just put something like * in there to have it match artist and album for everything. Is there a performance reason why artist and album aren't automatically compared for everything? -- MeSue Sue ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Some enterprising person
Yeah, my server's in the basement. With the proliferation of wireless, seems like you could put it just about anywhere and really not worry about the noise. On 8/22/05, JJZolx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > jimdibb Wrote: > > No ripping CDs? Where does the music come from? The CD ripping part > > would be one of the best aspects of this type of box. Simple "rip any > > cd inserted and when done, open the drawer for another, repeat" > > > > Sounds too 'niche' to make money off of. Price would have to be $200+ > > at least for parts. > > > > Maybe you've looked into the cost more, but it doesn't seem like a > > money maker to me. > > $200+? A large hard drive alone will cost you $100+. I'm just saying > create the rough equivalent of an NAS with the balls to run SlimServer > with a large library. > > I don't really understand the fascination with running SlimServer on an > NAS appliance, and a quiet one at that, but there certainly seems to be > large calling for such a thing. I'm guessing people either want to > place the server in their music listening environment, in which quiet > is a must, or else they keep the thing in their home office or bedroom > and don't want the noise of a traditional PC. > > > -- > JJZolx > > Jim > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
* MeSue shaped the electrons to say... That must be in the 6.2 nightlies. I've been sticking with 6.1. I'm not sure how it relates, though, since the issue I described has nothing to do with various artist albums. What is needed is support for the AlbumArtist tag, I think. 6.2beta has support for the ALBUMARTIST tag. What audio file format in particular are you using? -D -- 31336.5: the neighbor of the l33t ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
That must be in the 6.2 nightlies. I've been sticking with 6.1. I'm not sure how it relates, though, since the issue I described has nothing to do with various artist albums. What is needed is support for the AlbumArtist tag, I think. -- MeSue Sue ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] How to find my iTunes Playlists ?
First thing to check is that you have 'use iTunes' selected in the first page of SlimServer's Server Settings, and you should also have an 'iTunes' tab in the Server Settings page. I am not entirely sure what will happen if you already have all your music in SlimServer (presumably iTunes is looking at the same set of tracks?) But that's the first thing to check anyway... James NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Some enterprising person
jimdibb Wrote: > No ripping CDs? Where does the music come from? The CD ripping part > would be one of the best aspects of this type of box. Simple "rip any > cd inserted and when done, open the drawer for another, repeat" > > Sounds too 'niche' to make money off of. Price would have to be $200+ > at least for parts. > > Maybe you've looked into the cost more, but it doesn't seem like a > money maker to me. $200+? A large hard drive alone will cost you $100+. I'm just saying create the rough equivalent of an NAS with the balls to run SlimServer with a large library. I don't really understand the fascination with running SlimServer on an NAS appliance, and a quiet one at that, but there certainly seems to be large calling for such a thing. I'm guessing people either want to place the server in their music listening environment, in which quiet is a must, or else they keep the thing in their home office or bedroom and don't want the noise of a traditional PC. -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Best Performance - recommendations?
Hey Kevin - I was working bug #2001 with Fred over the weekend and the fix seems to have had the added benefit of speeding up the reponses to my Crestron CLI polling program. Check out last night's build (I'm on 4030) and see if you seen any improvement (I know that it won't address the DB issue) ... On a related topic, I'm about to upgrade my server and wonder if you have any strong opinions about the tradeoffs of Linux vs. Windows for the server - I've used both and I can't decide if the added complexity of administering Linux (I'm not an advanced user) are worth any performance improvements. Thoughts? Matt -- mdw ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How to find my iTunes Playlists ?
Could someone please give me a newbieguide how to find my iTunes playlists ? My slimserver 6.1.1 is installed on my c: hd and working. It looks in f: for all my music (externel hd), and my library is about 34000 songs. I have installed iTunes on my c: hd, and it works fine. My only problem is how to find my iTunes playlists using slimserver ? What settings to I have to check ? Slimserver just say empty in my playlists link ? Please give me a newbieguide how to solve the problem. -- mrmattis ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Some enterprising person
No ripping CDs? Where does the music come from? The CD ripping part would be one of the best aspects of this type of box. Simple "rip any cd inserted and when done, open the drawer for another, repeat" Sounds too 'niche' to make money off of. Price would have to be $200+ at least for parts. Maybe you've looked into the cost more, but it doesn't seem like a money maker to me. On 8/22/05, JJZolx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > is going to create and sell a small, quiet, turnkey computer to run > SlimServer. And make some money doing so. > > Load it with Linux. Run Apache and create a simple web interface for > managing the computer, for folks who know nothing about Linux and don't > want to. Optional RAID. Maybe two HDD capacity so that RAID1 could be > used, or perhaps the option of four disks in RAID5. No monitor, no > CD-ROM drive, no floppy, no ripping CDs, no other services running on > the device. Single purpose only. > > With all the interest in running SlimServer on NAS appliances, which > are really underpowered for the task they're being asked to perform, > this would seem to be a no-brainer. > > > -- > JJZolx > > Jim > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Some enterprising person
is going to create and sell a small, quiet, turnkey computer to run SlimServer. And make some money doing so. Load it with Linux. Run Apache and create a simple web interface for managing the computer, for folks who know nothing about Linux and don't want to. Optional RAID. Maybe two HDD capacity so that RAID1 could be used, or perhaps the option of four disks in RAID5. No monitor, no CD-ROM drive, no floppy, no ripping CDs, no other services running on the device. Single purpose only. With all the interest in running SlimServer on NAS appliances, which are really underpowered for the task they're being asked to perform, this would seem to be a no-brainer. -- JJZolx Jim ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
Quoting MeSue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think I found the bug you mentioned (1378?) and I voted on it. The > last comment in that bug says: "Dan: does VA make this better?" Do you > know what that means? various artists. the recent nightly builds have a number of settings related to grouping of 'various artists' albums. -kdf-- NOT a Slim Devices employee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: T9 or similar "smart" text entry
Quoting radish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The problem with using T9 is that you have to license it. It may be > possible to come up with something close enough without being sued > though :) Though, as is often the case, the more you talk about the potential of being sue while designing something, the more you show awareness of wrongdoing. At least, as far as a lawyer is concerned. Right or wrong, it's a costly expense to defend. > AFAIK the entire interface (including text entry) is handled by the > server. With the exception of the setup screens of course. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=386 a patch was submitted a while ago to create one type of method. -kdf-- NOT a Slim Devices employee ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
Ok, I guess I'll have to find all the duplicate album titles and put them in the common titles for now. Grrr. I think I found the bug you mentioned (1378?) and I voted on it. The last comment in that bug says: "Dan: does VA make this better?" Do you know what that means? -- MeSue Sue ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Music library: Web interface <-> SB2
Cheers, This problem is driving me nuts: I have now ripped all my CDs and copied the (WMA) files to my Slimserver. I have scanned, rescanned, completely scanned, utter-supremely etc.etc. scanned the music library and my problem is as follows: For some artists (for instance Diana Krall) I can see all the albums (6) when I choose to "Browse artist" in the WWW interface (using http://slimserver:9000), but only some (2) of them when choosing "Browse artist" using either my SB2 or the Softsqueeze application. I can of course find the albums using the "Browse music folder" but then again... If I choose to play one of the not-browsable-from-SB2 albums using the WWW GUI it does play the album, but the SB2 becomes non-responsive during the playback (really, it does not even react on a press of the "Power"-button?!?!) What is going on here? Any clues? Btw, running firmware 16 (WOL working very nicely, thank you!!! :-) and Slimserver 6.2b1 -- getprogs ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: T9 or similar "smart" text entry
The problem with using T9 is that you have to license it. It may be possible to come up with something close enough without being sued though :) AFAIK the entire interface (including text entry) is handled by the server. With the exception of the setup screens of course. -- radish ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
Well it won't scan 2TB if you don't really have 2TB of files will it? Available capacity is completely irrelevant, it's actual number of files that matters. If you have it scanning through 2TB of actual files then sure it will be slow, but you said you actually only have 120GB, which is not that big. Takes about 10mins to scan somewhat more than that on my system. Is the root it's scanning from dedicated to music or is it the root of the entire 2TB filesystem (with all your other non-music stuff)? -- radish ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: FIR filters?
Does anyone know if there has been development by third parties, et al, for adding a convolver to slimserver? It would be nicer to have the slimserver software do it rather than convolve in a transcoder, this way you could have different convolvers for different rooms. How about upsamplers? Has there been any development of upsampling plugins? Does anyone know what the max freq and bits the SB2 can handle? Via its S/PDIF output? -- joshk ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] T9 or similar "smart" text entry
Hi. I really like the look and feel of my squeezebox2, and the way it evolves (smooth scrolling for menus is cool). I also love hacking slimserver (answering machine, caller ID display, the works). However, there is one thing I would love to have that cannot, I think, be easily addressed without hacking the firmware: A smarter text entry tool for searching. I'm guessing because I didn't look deeper into the slimserver source, but it seems to me that currently, there is some kind of simple text entry widget that is handled entirely on the sb2 side, which returns the string, e.g. when searching music, and slimserver then does a query and returns the result as a scrollable menu. Is there any way to get results _while_ typing? I'm looking for something similar to T9 (or whatever it's called these days) on cell phones, where the phone guesses word completions after the first few letters have been typed. I guess the reason why you guys didn't implement it yet is scalability. While it probably would work for artists and genres, you'd send maybe 10K for a collection with a few hundred artitsts, it wouldn't work for album or title search, as sending the titles of all albums before the text entry prompt is displayed would be too slow. Some brainstorming bits: - lossy compression (I think the phones do something like that) that does not always perform accurate lookups but is good enough in most cases - caching on the sb2 - asynchronously sending typed letters to the server and asynchronously receiving and displaying the results - there is some latency before you get results, but it would probably still be faster than the current method - user interface prototype: take a look at a few cellphones - quick&dirty solution: relax character comparison strictness, such that I can send 723464323 to the server and will get "radiohead" as result. Although ugly, I would just have to press 9 buttons instead of the current 17 (*) Am I the only would who thinks this would be nice? Would it be too complicated/expensive to implement? best, C-C (*) yes I use vi as editor :-) -- cckanne ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Best Performance - recommendations?
Some replies mentioning multi-cpu box versus single threaded server process... that's the box that's available, so that's what I'm using. Interesting to note responses showing no performance problems with similar sized libraries (10k tracks). My setup is used exclusively through the web interface - the player hardware is never controlled through the remote, so perhaps it is the load from the web interface that is causing the problem? Often there are ten or more users who have the interface open to see what's playing. There is a plain text 'now playing' page, but people tend just to leave the full interface open. -- thomas ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
Thanks. My directory is set to the root since I have many genre folders, and this root is only associated with music. So I guess the other question is how long it would take to scan 2 TB! :) I guess I can workaround by creating a folder at the root and placing all my genre folders within this one, right? -- ob_kook ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Scanning huge disks question
You give it a root path and it does a tree scan from there (not sure if it's depth or breadth first). So if your music directory is set to the root it will scan the whole disc, otherwise only the portion of it you specify. -- radish ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: XMRadio via Slim/Squeeze
There is an existing enhancement request for this functionality (XM and Sirius streams). The user community awaits a capable developer resource... http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=714 -- bishopdonmiguel ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: XMRadio via Slim/Squeeze
I also would like to get the xm radio feeds on my slimserver. Ditto for musicchoice.com and Rhapsody (from Comcast). Is there a way to get any of these? -- jarome ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] LAME, where to put?
I find the most logical place to be the SlimServer\server\Bin\your_OS_here folder that is already present, and already holds third-party tools. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kdf Sent: 22 August 2005 08:31 To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: Re: [slim] LAME, where to put? On 21-Aug-05, at 10:50 PM, dspeirs wrote: > > I noticed that until File Types that none of the LAME options are > checked. I saw that I did not have LAME on my computer. Now, I > downloaded LAME where do I install it to enable the boxes to be > checked. there are several places. anywhere in the PATH will work. c:\windows, for one example. Also, same place as slim.exe or slimserver.pl, or in the Bin subfolder to match your OS. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] LAME, where to put?
On 21-Aug-05, at 10:50 PM, dspeirs wrote: I noticed that until File Types that none of the LAME options are checked. I saw that I did not have LAME on my computer. Now, I downloaded LAME where do I install it to enable the boxes to be checked. there are several places. anywhere in the PATH will work. c:\windows, for one example. Also, same place as slim.exe or slimserver.pl, or in the Bin subfolder to match your OS. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Same album title, different artists
It does require a rescan. There is already a bug open for this - the complication is (was) that slimserver tries to pickup Various Artist Albums, where Album title is common but Artist isn't. -- Patrick Dixon www.at-view.co.uk ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
