Re: [slim] Problem: Can't open file on SlimServer upgrade
There have been problems processing the various different forms of cue sheets and playlists. These should now be fixed with the 6.2.2 nightly builds. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Multi-disc album and track order displayed in slimserver
kdf Wrote: Quoting dSw dSw.1zbymo (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com: what version of the server are you running. This was a reent bug and should be fixed in 6.2.2 nightly builds. That would explain it then - I'm running 6.2.1. thanks -- dSw dSw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=362 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18645 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wake up slimserver (Wake-on LAN) through wireless network
Well, I just double-checked, and with a Sleep time of 15 minutes, hard drive set to sleep whenever possible, I played for 30 minutes without a problem. The difference may be that I was playing a BBC Listen Again stream, so as long as the computer itself was not asleep, it would not matter if the hard drive was asleep. Things for you to try, if you can on a headless machine. What happens if the hard drive is set not to go to sleep? Is there any way of checking whether the computer itself is awake? -- danco danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17891 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Happy 10,000th to Me!!!!
Splitting into tracks, I find the easy bit.. just a few seconds work. The tedious bit with recording from vinyl is playing it first to set the volume level (max volume but avoiding clipping), then playing it again to record it, then playing it a third time to de-click the waveform. So... a minimum of 2 hours per album.. more like 3 with other assorted checks and interruptions. Needless to say I gave up doing it when I discovered allofmp3.com which means I don't have to rip my copies. -- Khuli Khuli's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=851 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18659 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Best NAS Network Attached Storage for SqueezeBox 3?
Hi, I was using an NSLU2 as Slimserver. Yes it works ... but not more :-( My collection is about 100 CDs (.flac). When I use the webinterface while playing music I get quite often dropouts. Even with 266 MHz. All you need is memory, memory and more memory. In the embedded world there is no cheap NAS Yesterday I installed Fedora C4 on an Epia M10k. And it realy rocks the world ;-) Now I can synchronize my two SB3 an play around with the webgui. No more dropouts! Sorry for that, consumer NAS is not realy an option. Reinhold -- achtbit achtbit's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2056 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18527 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Best NAS Network Attached Storage for SqueezeBox 3?
I have no problems playing music and using the webgui at the same time on the readyNAS. -- bossanova808 bossanova808's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=619 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18527 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How frequently the STAT message has to be sent to the slimserver from the client?
How frequently the STAT message has to be sent to the slimserver from the Slimclient? -- b_prem b_prem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2119 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18682 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Server crash in Live365
Just installed 6.2.2 5333 and this is now fixed. -- AndyWright AndyWright's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2241 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18672 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: slime.exe ok, but not slimtray
Trufy, I deleted the folders and the registry settings completely. I had some low level conflict that was fixed with an XP reinstall. -- Desert_AIP Desert_AIP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2221 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17497 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Linux Journal, January 2006: Build a Home Terabyte Backup System Using Linux
This article looks quite interesteing and informative and probably relevant... http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8590 I like the figure of $1.08/G with 3.2TB of storage. Although if you don't feel like doing it yourself then my local favourite server company is well worth a look:- http://www.dnuk.com/homepage.php (although one does have to question *why* one would need 17 terrabytes of usable disk space...) Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Disabled volume and headphone.
Hi! I have disabled the digital volume control. What happens if I plug in my headphones in the built in headphonejack? Do I need new headphones/ears or can I adjust the volume for the jack? Regards /Bernt -- bernt bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18688 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wake up slimserver (Wake-on LAN) through wireless network
The mac is not connected to the internet, so I can't try streaming which would generate a different workload on the server. I've tried the hard drive sleep setting on or off but it makes no difference. The squeezebox is plugged directly into the mac with a 'standard' rj45 cable (not a crossover) - utilising the auto-sensing on the port. Don't know if that should make a difference though. The computer is definitely asleep - it goes quiet and the power light starts pulsing ;-) The setup might be a little unusual, but I'm building it to leave in a holiday apartment in France where I won't have connections or support. My 'main' setup at home runs 24x7 on a linux machine where I don't want it to sleep. -- xio xio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17891 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Announce: Third-generation Squeezebox, SlimServer 6.2
Michaelwagner Wrote: Of course, I haven't opened the box yet (just got home), but I'm pretty sure I wasn't expecting anything else from Slim ... That's weird... I'm sure when I (eventually) buy a Squeezebox, the package will be ripped open before I even remove my coat. I'll certainly not be posting here first! ;-) -- mflint mflint's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17347 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] CSRF Protection Problem
Hi When I click on Server Settings on the SlimServer main page I get a screen of info refering to CSRF Protection and using /cauth. Clicking the link it supplies takes me to the settings page. How do I stop it doing this ? I am acessing SlimServer (6.2.1) across my LAN from an XP Professional box. SlimServer is running on a Windows Server 2003 box. Regards Stephen -- saday saday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2431 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18689 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Announce: Third-generation Squeezebox, SlimServer 6.2
patrick Wrote: I did not mean to imply that we would release more colors before Christmas. We have our hands full with white and black. Might be an idea to build them in black/white only, but have coloured cases available to purchase? Hmm, now there's an idea... any plastics manufacturers here? ;) -- Khuli Khuli's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=851 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17347 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wireless Reception - Minimums and improvements?
OK, sorry - i meant to differentiate adhoc and peer-peer. So, if i set up as in the diagram, (ie make my connection between the PC and the AP wireless), all communications will still go thru the AP since this is infrastructure mode. thanks. -- bstark73 bstark73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2419 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18674 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezebox getting 'wierd' IP address?
1. i don't use 'turbo' mode - i have turned that off on my linksys wrt54gs AP. 2. as for the question from slim devices, yes i believe it was either a 169.254 or 168.254 address the box got...so you're saying dhcp failed??..if dhcp failed, why would the box write these parameters into it's settings therefore needing a hard reset to get back onto my network. as for my network, currently my PC is hardwired via a LAN port (ethernet) to my AP and my AP streams wireless to the slim box. It is a little way a way, so i do have some probs with signal strength...the slim server always reports 'bad' signal strength...averages around 25-30%, however most of the time i don't notice any problems with playing musicI could look at improving this by moving my AP, however (as posted in another post); 1 think that i think is a problem is that laptops in my house all report excellent signal strenght and show 4-5 bars, whilst the slim box in the same room seems to think it is bad... -- bstark73 bstark73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2419 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18676 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Used Squeezebox (SB1) or new SB3?
I searched the forums (enough, I hope) but I didn't find what I was looking for. I have been interested in getting a Squeezebox for awhile now. I can get an original, wired Squeezebox for a good price, lots lower than buying a new one. I have looked at the hardware comparison page, but what I really want to know is this... As a new user trying to evaluate using a Squeezebox to stream my mp3, would I be disappointed by the sound or user interface of the original Squeezebox compared to Squeezebox2? Are there any serious limitations to the original compared to the SB2? I know that the DAC and display are better on SB2. I don't think the buffering is going to be an issue for my wired network. Anything I would really miss on an SB1? Thanks for helping out a newbie! -- newton newton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2562 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18691 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezebox getting 'wierd' IP address?
I assume that the Squeezebox knows whether or not it successfully connects with the wireless network, including the authentication? I think that's the wrong assumption. When you're looking at WEP/WPA you're looking at encryption keys. The only way to know if you have a correct key or not is to try and communicate and see if it works. The DHCP exchange is that first communication, so it's probably then that the failure is first noted. The connecting to network stage is simply associating with the AP, which basically any client can do whether or not it has the keys. (Note: if someone who knows the handshake procedure in more detail wants to correct me, please do!). -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18676 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: CSRF Protection Problem
What browser are you using? -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18689 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Used Squeezebox (SB1) or new SB3?
Slightly better sound with the SB2/3 I have heard, but if you're streaming MP3 probably won't notice. If you decide to stream FLAC then you'll regret that the SB1 does not have native FLAC support and transcoding into WAV has to be performed on the server. The above features are important to me and I own a SB1 - how much you wanna buy it for? :P -- Jim Jim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=213 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18691 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Used Squeezebox (SB1) or new SB3?
On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 06:56 -0800, Jim wrote: Slightly better sound with the SB2/3 I have heard, but if you're streaming MP3 probably won't notice. Since many MP3s are compressed to death, if the OP is not seriously into sound quality (and my daughter is not at all into it) then it makes no difference. If you decide to stream FLAC then you'll regret that the SB1 does not have native FLAC support and transcoding into WAV has to be performed on the server. With the minor nit that if you wire your SqueezeBox 1, the lack of native support and transcoding is not an problem. So, if you want wireless and care about (obsess about?) sound quality, you want a SB2 or SB3. If you run wirelessly with MP3 and similar lossy compression, you may be happy with a SB1 or SB1/G. But the used SB1s are not what I'd call cheap so when I get another one (which will be my fourth), it will be a SB3. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: CSRF Protection Problem
I've tried FireFox 1.5 and IE 6, both do the same. -- saday Stephen Day UK saday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2431 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18689 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
Has anyone done any usability testing on the slimserver web UI? If users are making mistakes, especially the same ones, look to the UI not the user Let's help by trying it on some non-techie friends and reporting any problems... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mrfantasy Sent: 30 November 2005 19:49 To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: [slim] Re: a positive SB3 review It seems the reviewer had badly tagged MP3s (which looked like they were downloaded from a p2p service judging by the obvious misspellings in the artist and song names) and he hadn't learned about browse artists, albums, genres or years. He did the same thing in his SB1 review. Perhaps Slimserver is better with music you've ripped yourself that is accurately tagged (or filed) with album and artist info. But still, you'd hope a reviewer like this would at least identify the issue more clearly. Perhaps there are some limitations with badly tagged music that this shows, but you're then likely to have it with any networked music player. -- mrfantasy --Mike -- -- mrfantasy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1127 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18651 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss __ Scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System provided by Conosco. http://www.conosco.com __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] a positive SB3 review
agreed but who does RTFM and how many consumers last more than 10 mins with a new gadget before giving up? for mass adoption, our favourite music player HAS to work quickly and effortlessly out of the box and without mass adoption, we'll all be using nooo! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Zinck Sent: 30 November 2005 19:01 To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: Re: [slim] a positive SB3 review It's nice that the review had a positive conclusion but I worry that all of it's omissions and inaccuracies might turn folks away from the SB3. It seems as though this reviewer never bothered to look at the manual or spend any time with the SB3 as he was baffled even by how to properly cue music. Ridiculous. I shot an email to the site mentioning all of the reviewer's errors. Hopefully it gets corrected so that the SB3 can shine like it deserves to. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss __ Scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System provided by Conosco. http://www.conosco.com __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Used Squeezebox (SB1) or new SB3?
There are a number of things that have already been recounted in this thread that make the SB2/SB3 superior to the SB1. Some others are the geekport, more advanced wireless support (wireless G, WPA, etc.), support for visualizations, and bit-perfect pass-through (important if you want to stream WAV-encoded DTS). And the significance of SB2/SB3's hardware support of more audio formats goes beyond simply helping alleviate bandwidth usage--ffw/rev doesn't work on any formats that aren't supported in hardware. There are also some quirks with the SB1's digital output section like the fact that it sometimes, under certain circumstances, swaps the left and right channels (I don't recall the exact circumstances, it has to do with switching between mp3 decoding and wav). This being said, I happen to have an SB1 and I have no problem living without any of those improvements. My squeezebox still does what I bought it to do and it does it wonderfully. I've never personally run into the channel-swapping issue (or maybe I have and didn't know it!) and since I only stream 320kbps MP3 and my squeezebox sits on a wired network I wouldn't currently get any benefit from the new formats or the larger buffer. This all just goes to say that you can still certainly get a great and satisfying experience from an SB1. HOWEVER: the main reason I have never, and will probably not in the near future, consider replacing my SB1 is RHAPSODY SUPPORT. The SB1 will run under Slimserver 5.4 and the RealSlim plugin allows me to interact fully with Rhapsody. This, to me, is the killer app for the Squeezebox. I have heard some rumors of folks getting RealSlim to work on version 6 of the server but I tried it briefly with no success--I would think the rather fluid nature of the 6.x server development makes this a delicate solution at best. Also, there have been some rumblings on these forums that perhaps Squeezebox 2/3 may support the appropriate DRM to allow playback of Rhapsody/Napster/Yahoo music. But until then, if you're looking to use Rhapsody the SB1 is the best option in the Slim world (the SLIMP3 would work, too). ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Streaming hosting services?
Hi all I need some advice regarding streaming services. My company wants to put a number of squeezeboxes in some small stores for background music. The idea is to stream self-made playlists to al the boxes simultaneously. The boxes will be turned on practically all the time. The stores have Cable or ADSL internet connections with limited upload (only around 256 kpbs and monthly upload limits). So the problem is that we can't put a slim server anywhere to directly stream the music because we don't have enough bandwith and traffic volume capabilities. So my question is: 1) Are there good streaming media services on the internet which can host our playlists. 2) What can we expect in terms of cost? TIA Dieter -- dverlaeckt dverlaeckt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2566 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18692 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Streaming hosting services?
dverlaeckt Wrote: Hi all I need some advice regarding streaming services. My company wants to put a number of squeezeboxes in some small stores for background music. The idea is to stream self-made playlists to al the boxes simultaneously. The boxes will be turned on practically all the time. The stores have Cable or ADSL internet connections with limited upload (only around 256 kpbs and monthly upload limits). So the problem is that we can't put a slim server anywhere to directly stream the music because we don't have enough bandwith and traffic volume capabilities. So my question is: 1) Are there good streaming media services on the internet which can host our playlists. 2) What can we expect in terms of cost? TIA Dieter I'm not sure if it would help (or be the right answer) but Slimdevices were mentioning an offer of streaming bandwidth in return for Advertising... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18609 Nic -- DrNic DrNic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=92 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18692 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Used Squeezebox (SB1) or new SB3?
Don't forget the vu-meter screensaver on the sb2/3! But seriously, I have slimp3, sb1, sb1/g, sb2 and sb3 (full house!) and the only issues I've had with any of them have been on the 1 wireless sb1 which I sorted by getting a new router, resiting it and forcing compression to the box. I'm sure with the larger buffer on the sb2/3 it would never give problems, but as you're running wired anyway and it's a first foray into the squeezebox world, I'd think the sb1 would be a good start. The grpahic display is a lot nicer if you can get one with that, but I think (some) people worry too much about the aesthetics rather than just enjoying the music. The newer devices feel a bit more slick, but my slimp3 is still used on a daily basis without problems. Go for the sb1, but just be aware that you will feel compelled to buy more as time goes by -- xio xio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18691 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 108Mbps Support
I have a Netgear WGT624 V2 wireless router updated with the latest release firmware (4.2.10). There are several other devices/computers on the network with network interfaces made by various manufacturers. Each is able to connect to the router when set to auto mode EXCEPT THE SB3. I spent a full day isolating every computer and trying various settings. The result? 11g connects at 11g 11b connects at 11b 108 connects at 108 EXCEPT the SB3, which simply cannot establish a connection whent the router is set to auto. The temporary solution is to set the router to 11g/11b instead of auto, but this completely disallows 108 users taking advantage of their hardware when the Squeezebox is not on. I do not see this as a proprietary standards issue because all other vendor NICs are able to make conntections in auto mode at 11b or 11g. Any ideas out there? Thanks! -- stand4you2 stand4you2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2561 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18596 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezebox getting 'wierd' IP address?
radish Wrote: I think that's the wrong assumption. When you're looking at WEP/WPA you're looking at encryption keys. The only way to know if you have a correct key or not is to try and communicate and see if it works. The DHCP exchange is that first communication, so it's probably then that the failure is first noted. The connecting to network stage is simply associating with the AP, which basically any client can do whether or not it has the keys. (Note: if someone who knows the handshake procedure in more detail wants to correct me, please do!). Hey, I've been wrong before. :-) I don't know the procedure either, but it's hard for me to fathom a protocol where the client isn't told whether or not it has successfully supplied the correct key. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18676 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Announce: Third-generation Squeezebox, SlimServer 6.2
Khuli Wrote: Might be an idea to build them in black/white only, but have coloured cases available to purchase? skins, like the cell phones now have. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17347 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 108Mbps Support
There are a couple settings that I've had trouble with that you might check. One is the extended range option and the other is right next to it and I don't remember what it was exactly. I'm at work and can't check. If you have them enabled, try turning them off. My RangeMax doesn't work well if they are on but works great with them turned off. HTH Jim -- Jim Holtz Jim Holtz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1456 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18596 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezebox getting 'wierd' IP address?
IP messages are not the way a client knows its encryption keys are valid. A station is first Unauthenticated and Unassociated. The authentication mechanism must be passed successfully (in shared mode, by using a challenge/response encoded with the WEP key). Only after this succeeds can a client move to Authenticated, but it is still Unassociated (not a peer or the wireless network). DHCP cannot take place yet. Once the AP allows the association, the client is then Authenticated and Associated. The validity of WEP keys is not confirmed via the first DHCP broadcast, or any IP traffic for that matter. It is the other way around; only with valid keys can a client complete the authenticate and associate process, and this is required before IP traffic flows. -- MrC MrC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18676 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slim Devices is hiring!
Dave2 Wrote: John Dvorak, PC Magazine, Dec. 6, 2005, p. 97. Another time shifter ... that's 5 days in the future ... -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18569 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Streaming hosting services?
or you may want to vote for bug#2661 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2661 This would allow for you to setup one slimserver on one host machine and have all your remote squeezeboxes communicating back to that one server. -- rme rme's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1551 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18692 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] a positive SB3 review
for mass adoption, our favourite music player HAS to work quickly and effortlessly out of the box It's a good point and there is probably a lot of room for improvement there. There are still lots of very geeky things about the interface, the software probably makes too many assumptions about your knowledge of the system and its paradigms, and (through no real fault of the device or its software) people are likely to be further disoriented by music-scanning idiosyncracies that are exacerbated by the rogue, non-standard world of music tagging (v1 tags, v2, v2.1, etc...). That being said, I find the interface quite usable, and it's interesting to me how many reviews I've read of the squeezebox that specifically mention how *easy* the device was to set up. In most of the comparisons I've read that's been a tick in the pros column for the Squeezebox. So I'm prone to want to say that this reviewer is an anomaly who did a particularly poor job of familiarizing himself with the device. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 108Mbps Support
Jim Holtz Wrote: There are a couple settings that I've had trouble with that you might check. One is the extended range option and the other is right next to it and I don't remember what it was exactly. I'm at work and can't check. If you have them enabled, try turning them off. My RangeMax doesn't work well if they are on but works great with them turned off. HTH Jim Changing the range setting on a WGT624 has no effect. Only disabling the auto setting allows a connection. -- stand4you2 stand4you2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2561 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18596 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slim Devices is hiring!
Michaelwagner Wrote: Another time shifter ... that's 5 days in the future ... See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodical_cover_date Dave -- Dave2 Dave2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1556 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18569 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Streaming hosting services?
The only solution I can think of is this: You could have one location (or even your home?) run a pc beaming a playlist of your choice to a shoutcast server. You would have to get hosting for this such as what can be found here: http://shoutcast.serverroom.us/ (I don't know anything about that company, they're just one of the first that came up on google). Then have all your squeezeboxen connect to Squeezenetwork and tune into your custom radio station via Squeezenetwork. This would avoid you having to use tons of upload bandwidth--you'd only use the bandwidth necessary for a single stream and the shoutcast server would bear the brunt of distributing the stream. It would also allow you to run squeezeboxes at each location without having to have a computer at each site. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slim Devices is hiring!
Dave2 Wrote: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodical_cover_date I know about periodical dates but you didn't say it was a periodical date. You didn't say, for example, from the December issue, you wrote an exact date. It looked to me like a date on which the quote was said. I assumed you meant November and wrote December, or meant 2004 and wrote 2005 or something similar. Then people would be looking for the quote in the wrong place. If that was a periodical date, that clears it up. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18569 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: slime.exe ok, but not slimtray
If you have more than one user of your pc, before you upgrade Slimserver, you need to stop Slimtray for every user, because it runs in all users' context. -- hardbopper hardbopper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1921 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17497 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
IMHO The squeeze box is a tremendous peice of hardware. Unfortunately it is largely accessed via Slimverver. A classic piece of open source software written by techies for techies. The user interface is poor as is the documentation. A few examples :- When I browse music why does browse music folder play songs in a different order to browse album ? Where do I find a definitive tagging guide for each music format ? (I ended up running a grep on the perl modules to solve this one) What on earth does the following mean ? Albums that contain songs that are tagged with a band may be listed under that band name or with the other artists for that album. The band tag is also known as TPE2 and may appear as the album artist in some software. I have an extreme technical bias and still don't find using the system intuitive. An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door stop ? -- NeilH NeilH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=822 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18651 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door stop ? A tired analogy - Granny's are not the universal measure of usability. My Granny could give me a set of kintting needles for Christmas and I wouldn't have the first clue what to do with them, although of course she finds them trivially easy to use. I'd search in vain for the documentation telling me how to operate these needles, and then maybe go to some kintting forum complaining that this stuff should be easier for the non-Granny to pick up and use. When writing documentation and designing interfaces there is always a level of assumed knowledge and experience - there has to be. Cars do not come with books telling you how to drive - it's assumed you already know. Likewise, when designing the interface for the car, the manufacturer is careful not to stray to far from the conventional. Computers do not come with operating instructions either, you typically get a piece of paper showing you how to connect the wires, and then some quick start guide to Windows XP. Really pretty useless for most people who are either completely new to the whole thing (what's a mouse?) or already know the basics and need to be told the more complex stuff. Now I'm not saying the SlimServer UI/docs are perfect - far from it - but assuming a basic level of domain knowledge (what's an mp3, what's a tag) is perfectly fair - the trick is to get it right. Set the bar too high and you're flamed for being exclusive, or geek oriented, set it too low and you waste time writing docs which no one will read. When I browse music why does browse music folder play songs in a different order to browse album ? Because one reads the tags and one doesn't. Personally, from a UI perspective, I think BMF is a mistake. I know lots of people love it, which is why it's there, but if the DB based browses could be customized to allow people to order things how they like then hopefully the need for BMF would vanish, and with it a lot of headaches. Where do I find a definitive tagging guide for each music format ? Agreed - a list of tags read and their interpretation would be extremely useful. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18651 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Nokia 770 network set up advice needed
phicar2 wrote: Sounds like a great idea. Is it true then that there is no performance gains to be had by having the 770 and SB attached to the network using different cables (option 3)? If not then I'd say your suggestion is the best. The only two items that are potentially performance related that come immediately to mind are bandwidth saturation and network trip distance. I think you should be OK on either of these accounts using the modifed option 2. The SB will be attached by Cat5, presumably running at 100Mbps back to the server. Plenty of bandwith here. The 770 will only be making web requests over the AP's wireless link and then the shared Cat5 run. Web traffic for simple pages should be _very_ light and should not come close to taxing the AP's wireless bandwidth. Especially if the AP speaks 802.11g and the 770 is the only wireless client. As to network distance, all the pieces are very close to one another. And all this traffic will be making round trips from two clients (SB and 770) to the server. They won't be making requests directly of one another. And if you are using the AP/Switch as a wired switch (not a NATing router, not using it's DHCP) then all the devices are in the same LAN (address space). Performance should be excellent. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SlimeServer/MP3 Tags
Hi All, Is there any way to use the Slim Server software to touch up the mp3 tags on mp3 files? For example, I like to view the list of artists that I have and then select an album. But sometimes you'll see artist names like: Elvis Costello Elvis Costello/Annie Sofer and so on... I'd like to condense it down so that anything that starts with Elvis Costello just falls into that artist name. I guess I don't care if I lose the Annie Sofer information - sometimes with other programs I'll move stuff like that into the notes section... Any ideas? Thanks, Kevin -- kkitts kkitts's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1993 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18696 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
On 12/1/05, radish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door stop ?The interface isn't bad but on my server PC, which sits in the kitchen, strangers do seem to head to iTunes rather than trying to get slimserver to work so there is definitely room for improvement. The new search function helps a lot, particularly now it sits at the top of fishbone by default.Probably the area that does need most work is the settings pages. There are some significant idiosyncracies with the organisation and how they work. Admittedly, most people would be quite happy with the defaults and would never change anything but some customisations really require a lot of messing. MusicMagic failed on me with the new install. The plugin was ticked, the custom options were there, but the switch that had appeared that was needed for the thing to actually work was buried in the first 'server settings' page. I know many microsoft apps have equally deeply buried options but this could be better. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimeServer/MP3 Tags
At the moment, the Slim software will not (re)write tag information. You will need a 3rd party tagger, of which there are many. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18696 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Replaygain question
If I set a flac to -15db replaygain is that just like lowering the digital volume -15db meaning I'm gonna lose resolution OR??? Thanks in advance! Tony -- mantis007 mantis007's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=491 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18698 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] a positive SB3 review
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Simon Still wrote: the switch that had appeared that was needed for the thing to actually work was buried in the first 'server settings' page. Where? (asks someone who can't get it to work and can't find a setting on the /server settings/ first page!) Thanks. Kevin ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Help, my new SB3 wont connect wirelessly to my network :o(
Hi, After a full month of waiting my SB3 arrived today. Its absolutley beautiful but i cant get it to connect to my network At first i thought it was the WEP security. So i disabled this on my wirless router, but it still will not connect. I am getting signal strength of 80% constant (the Sb3 is only 15 feet from my router) so i know that this is ok. My router is a Dlink G604 T Can anyone help? Thanks -- Geoggy Geoggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18699 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] WPA Support?
Sorry if this is a repost, but the forum won't let me search for WPA since its too short a term. Anyhoo, will my SB1 support WPA? thanks! rob -- ClemsonJeeper ClemsonJeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=386 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18700 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WPA Support?
ClemsonJeeper wrote: Anyhoo, will my SB1 support WPA? No, it won't. Feature support for SB1 firmware is frozen. - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door stop ? A tired analogy - Granny's are not the universal measure of usability. My Granny could give me a set of kintting needles for Christmas and I wouldn't have the first clue what to do with them, although of course she finds them trivially easy to use. I'd search in vain for the documentation telling me how to operate these needles, and then maybe go to some kintting forum complaining that this stuff should be easier for the non-Granny to pick up and use. When writing documentation and designing interfaces there is always a level of assumed knowledge and experience - there has to be. Cars do not come with books telling you how to drive - it's assumed you already know. Likewise, when designing the interface for the car, the manufacturer is careful not to stray to far from the conventional. Computers do not come with operating instructions either, you typically get a piece of paper showing you how to connect the wires, and then some quick start guide to Windows XP. Really pretty useless for most people who are either completely new to the whole thing (what's a mouse?) or already know the basics and need to be told the more complex stuff. Now I'm not saying the SlimServer UI/docs are perfect - far from it - but assuming a basic level of domain knowledge (what's an mp3, what's a tag) is perfectly fair - the trick is to get it right. Set the bar too high and you're flamed for being exclusive, or geek oriented, set it too low and you waste time writing docs which no one will read. When I browse music why does browse music folder play songs in a different order to browse album ? Because one reads the tags and one doesn't. Personally, from a UI perspective, I think BMF is a mistake. I know lots of people love it, which is why it's there, but if the DB based browses could be customized to allow people to order things how they like then hopefully the need for BMF would vanish, and with it a lot of headaches. Where do I find a definitive tagging guide for each music format ? Agreed - a list of tags read and their interpretation would be extremely useful. -- radish Well written post, radish. And entertaining, too! I'm in full agreement. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WPA Support?
Sorry if this is a repost, but the forum won't let me search for WPA since its too short a term. Anyhoo, will my SB1 support WPA? No, it will never be able to. The hardware just isn't capable of doing it. Sean has addressed this in some previous threads, I'm just too lazy to go look them up. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: WPA Support?
I guess that's a good way to get people to buy newer versions. :) rob -- ClemsonJeeper ClemsonJeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=386 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18700 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help, my new SB3 wont connect wirelessly to my network :o(
What exactly do you mean by can't get it to connect to my network? Is it not associating with the access point? or are you not getting an IP address? or is it not finding the server? Hi, After a full month of waiting my SB3 arrived today. Its absolutley beautiful but i cant get it to connect to my network At first i thought it was the WEP security. So i disabled this on my wirless router, but it still will not connect. I am getting signal strength of 80% constant (the Sb3 is only 15 feet from my router) so i know that this is ok. My router is a Dlink G604 T Can anyone help? Thanks -- Geoggy Geoggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18699 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Audioiphile form- factor
Could someone from SD explain to me the resistance to selling the SB without a case such that it could be custom mounted for all the gearheads out there. SD must recognize that many of us are quite capable of customizing and may even have clients with applications that require customs. Better yet SD should sell a unit that conforms to the 19 rack mount specification - there's a large market out there just waiting for this to be professionally integrated in the home studio.. thanks...bkn -- Masterbaron Masterbaron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=203 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18701 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: WPA Support?
OK cool. I've owned a SliMP3, a SB1, and now will have a SB3... time to start selling on eBay ;) thanks again. rob -- ClemsonJeeper ClemsonJeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=386 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18700 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Audioiphile form- factor
On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 13:02 -0800, Masterbaron wrote: Could someone from SD explain to me the resistance to selling the SB without a case such that it could be custom mounted for all the gearheads out there. I'm not from SD, and I know nothing about its internals. But SD is a small company. Having two or more products is expensive. Having two products that only differ by the price of a plastic case is not generally a good business decision. You can always just buy the product and take the case off. Better yet SD should sell a unit that conforms to the 19 rack mount specification - there's a large market out there just waiting for this to be professionally integrated in the home studio.. I can't imagine that there is a large market for such a mounting system. Very few $300 items are setup for 19 racks. You can, of course, just get a 19 rack shelf for $30 or so from any of the music gear websites. Even the $1000 Benchmark DAC-1 is not setup for 19 rackmounting. It takes special, and extra cost, wings that cost nearly as much as a SqueezeBox. How much do you want to spend? I could be talked into paying retail for some SB3s and putting them in rack mount cases for the right amount of money. I can't imagine selling more than a dozen or so. Look at the real sales figures for audiophile gear. Part of why the prices are in the many thousands of dollars is that the volumes are in the hundreds. SD has admitted that they've sold tens of thousands of units of SqueezeBoxen. Its a whole 'nother world. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: WPA Support?
ClemsonJeeper Wrote: ... the forum won't let me search for WPA since its too short a term. Use a * at the end of your 3 letter searches, as in WPA*. -- MrC MrC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18700 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
i did a quick usability test on the initial use of the web UI... detailed notes quotes at the bottom CONCLUSIONS I got this much in a quick, partial test - there's plenty more to learn - a straight-out-of-the-box test is needed. A poweruser will have problems but they can figure them out; the UI badly needs attention for the consumer market. I saw clear evidence of the denguru reviewer's difficulty in starting out with playing songs. The UI is based on how the tech works; it needs to be based on what the user wants to achieve. RECOMMENDATIONS A big link for new users on slimdevices.com home page An initial wizard in the slimserver web interface - tests all configs are ok - informs user about scanning process and gives a status (refreshed automatically) - tells user what to do next (ideally leads them through core actions like creating a playlist) - optionally, walks user through some basic settings - explain how the server will run whenever the computer is running; you can close window; etc Re-tag the Play and Add icon buttons in the lists to make them less confusing and hard to understand Make clickable links look clickable Give better indication of where you are in albums/artists/etc Rationalise the settings pages make them fit in a window, etc etc (lots to do here) Add a Random button to the player UI that plays a random selection from the playlist (or change the default setting...?) The sbox UI should read Press right to select Slimserver not Select slimserver Try a UI closer to itunes, with a list of playlists on the left and an easy browsing area on the right. TEST SET-UP The guinea-pig is in their mid-20s, plays music extensively from an ipod, has a BSc in Computer Systems and works as an account manager in a technical company; has never used a squeezebox or slimserver but knows what they do and understands the underlying concepts. I physically set up a squeezebox 2; the user had a computer with itunes and a library of mp3s. RESULTS I told the user to go to slimdevices.com and install the slimserver User went to slim home page; couldn't find the slimserver; went to support tab and found download button. Installed slimserver easily and selected location of music files ok [user is familiar with windows installers]. Used Start button all progs slimserver to bring up slimserver browser. User paused here - not sure what to do - then saw still scanning text: i need to wait. Does the size of the folder matter? [Note that this page doesn't refresh itself, so you wouldn't know when scanning had stopped] i have no idea what to do now - user looking at the slimserver home page. [the squeezebox which i'd set up earlier was stuck at can't find slimserver] user clicked Help Getting started and slowly figured out how to get the squeezebox to find the slimserver: is that the right right button? [on the remote control] back to the slimserver UI: user clicked the current playlist's Download button to get something to happen. Then clicked Browse Albums, drilled all the way down to a song page (left pane), and clicked Play on the Music Player (right pane) - no effect - then play this song link on the song page On the song page: How do i get back to my album? Clicked on the genre listed on the song page and got a long list of albums User then held mouse over play and add icons next to the albums: What does this button do? - figured out first that the add button saves the song for later on the playlist and play button plays the song just for now. With some experimentation, user figured out the difference. User then tried to stack up some songs to play. After some clicking around: i can have all album or none at all, they're individual songs, oh no just albums, you can only select individual tracks if you go to albums, not artists, That's really strange. User finally realised that unless i hover over an album i don't know it's a link, it just looks like text like all the rest That's a bit crap when saw track names had track numbers added in front [the default setting] Do you think random and shuffle are different? - user wants to play random songs from the play list all night but figured out by experimenting that Shuffle just loops the same track order. I told user There is a setting for this - user found Player Settings, searched (didn't like scrolling down the settings pages). If you told me there was a setting i'd tell you you were lying. Finally tried Server Settings, then tried Behaviour and found the setting quickly. There should be a random button on the player I don't know difference between server and player settings [from someone who project-manages server installations for small businesses] will the music stop when i close the window? [from someone who knows what a Windows Service is] i asked whether the user preferred the slim UI or itunes: itunes, because you have a list of playlists and you simply drag and drop the tunes into it; browsing the tunes is easy
[slim] Seattle Event - Thanks Patrick and Seattle Sunglasses!
Hello, I was the first customer at the Seattle Event, having simultaneously braved snow, sleet, and rain to get there (well, the event -was- all of four blocks from my workplace, so I'm not expecting the Medal of Valor or anything like that...). I appreciated the non-salesy and knowledgeable demonstration, the product sold itself, and yes, I am still wondering whether I should have gone for the courtesy SB 2 in platinum rather than black (being a current owner of a black SB 1G)! I was also happily surprised to see the gratis SB 2 was a wireless model. For those who haven't seen the Squeezebox v3 in person, it's very elegant, and the display is easily readable from a variety of angles. It feels solid and well put together. The improvement in display quality over the Squeezebox 1G (I skipped the Squeezebox 2) is significant. Thanks again Patrick, and Darwin @ Seattle Sunglasses (nice place -- I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them either, given how friendly the ophthalmologist who co-hosted the event was). Nick -- Nick Silberstein Senior Developer Flying Machine Development, Inc. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
* Ben Gladstone shaped the electrons to say... RECOMMENDATIONS A big link for new users on slimdevices.com home page An initial wizard in the slimserver web interface - tests all configs are ok - informs user about scanning process and gives a status (refreshed automatically) - tells user what to do next (ideally leads them through core actions like creating a playlist) - optionally, walks user through some basic settings - explain how the server will run whenever the computer is running; you can close window; etc This is all great, and along the lines of what I had in mind. A 'Getting Started' page on initial load - very clean, easy to find what to do. I'll try to respond to more later - and I'm sure Dean will as well. Thanks! -D -- noah the auto mechanic told me there was something wrong with my rear differential. I told him I never took calculus. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] WPA Support?
Quoting Marc Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ClemsonJeeper wrote: Anyhoo, will my SB1 support WPA? No, it won't. Feature support for SB1 firmware is frozen. In this particular case it was a limitation of the wireless card. The vendor did not provide WPA, and I seem to recall ended support before SB2 came along. However, I also seem to remember Sean adressing the question of if it would be possible to use a different card, if the chipset was a match. I'm a little foggy on that recollection though, and the hardware support for cards was very limited for SB1 (not wide enough to allow 802.11g for example) -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
Dan Sully Wrote: This is all great, and along the lines of what I had in mind. A 'Getting Started' page on initial load - very clean, easy to find what to do. I'll try to respond to more later - and I'm sure Dean will as well. Which is not a million miles from what I had in mind when I posted... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18649 although the response so far has not been overwhelming. Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18651 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
To help my (apparantly tired) Granny I would suggest any getting started guide should avoid assumptions as to knowledge of tags/mp3. She owns a Computer and a big pile of CDs - How does a squeezebox make her life perfect ? -- NeilH NeilH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=822 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18651 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
* ceejay shaped the electrons to say... Which is not a million miles from what I had in mind when I posted... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18649 although the response so far has not been overwhelming. Not a million miles - but slightly different. First - let me say, Thank you! You've done a fantastic job on the Wiki - it's definitely something that we've been lacking for a while. My vision for a 'Getting Started' page when you first start SlimServer is very simple and minimal with a few links. Linking to the Wiki Beginners Guide is now definitely one of those links. -D -- dr.pox NO, NETBSD IS NOT REALLY BUILT WITH ELITE [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Help, my new SB3 wont connect wirelessly to my network :o(
hi. manages to sort this problem out by updating the firmware on my router. the sb connected first time to the network once i had done this. however - when the sb asked me where my music was - i selected the pc, pressed the right key and was faced with Connecting to Slimserver Slim server is running on my pc, but the SB came back with Cannot connect to slim server Do i need to update the firmware on the SB or something?? Thanks -- Geoggy Geoggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18699 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Replaygain question
mantis007 Wrote: If I set a flac to -15db replaygain is that just like lowering the digital volume -15db meaning I'm gonna lose resolution OR??? Thanks in advance! Tony Correct- when you play the file back with Replaygain enabled on the playback hardware or software, it will no longer be lossless. However, the difference will probably not be audible, and further, adding Replaygain only means adding metadata, and you can always play the file without replaygain enabled to hear it bit-perfect. -- abdomen abdomen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18698 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
radish Wrote: A tired analogy - Granny's are not the universal measure of usability. Neither are geeks - it is just an analogy, nothing more. radish Wrote: When writing documentation and designing interfaces there is always a level of assumed knowledge and experience - there has to be. Cars do not come with books telling you how to drive - it's assumed you already know. Likewise, when designing the interface for the car, the manufacturer is careful not to stray to far from the conventional. Computers do not come with operating instructions either, you typically get a piece of paper showing you how to connect the wires, and then some quick start guide to Windows XP. Really pretty useless for most people who are either completely new to the whole thing (what's a mouse?) or already know the basics and need to be told the more complex stuff. Now I'm not saying the SlimServer UI/docs are perfect - far from it - but assuming a basic level of domain knowledge (what's an mp3, what's a tag) is perfectly fair - the trick is to get it right. Set the bar too high and you're flamed for being exclusive, or geek oriented, set it too low and you waste time writing docs which no one will read. I agree that not straying from the conventional should be the target of the UI however i think that assuming all Squeezebox users will have a knowledge of MP3 and tags is a major mistake. This is not the conventional for a large number of people. The Slimdevices homepage states Squeezebox lets you easily access any song in your music collection, from any room in your home. It delivers pure digital sound without the hassle of shuffling through CDs. So how do I take a pile of CDs and a PC and combine them ? The documentation really should tell me how. radish Wrote: Because one reads the tags and one doesn't. Personally, from a UI perspective, I think BMF is a mistake. I know lots of people love it, which is why it's there, but if the DB based browses could be customized to allow people to order things how they like then hopefully the need for BMF would vanish, and with it a lot of headaches. I think you miss the point - This is the technical explaination. It is not an explaination from the UI point of view. -- NeilH NeilH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=822 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18651 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slim Devices is hiring!
Michaelwagner Wrote: I know about periodical dates but you didn't say it was a periodical date. You didn't say, for example, from the December issue, you wrote an exact date. It looked to me like a date on which the quote was said. I assumed you meant November and wrote December, or meant 2004 and wrote 2005 or something similar. Then people would be looking for the quote in the wrong place. If that was a periodical date, that clears it up. So there is no remaining confusion for forum readers: I wrote an exact date because that's the date that appears on the cover of the periodical being quoted. The citation was correct, though I agree it need not have been so terse. (Substantially the same thing, regarding creeping featurism, can now be found here: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1884539,00.asp.) Michael - I did suspect that your original post meant to mock what you thought was my error. You didn't say, for example, that you thought there was a typo; you wrote a cryptic jibe. If that was meant to assist forum readers, that clears it up. Dave -- Dave2 Dave2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1556 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18569 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] What's Up with This Scan Function?
I have 907 songs. I blanked out the Music Folder, checked Use iTunes and hit Clear Library and Rescan Everything. Four hours of scanning later I got tired of waiting, shut down SlimServer and restarted it. Everything was there! Are you supposed to guess when it is finished? Is there a way to disregard the Still Scanning message and tell when it is done? -- gjrhine Gary gjrhine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18705 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
This is good stuff, Ben. People often gripe about the interface but rarely offer suggestions. Kudos for bringing some real thoughtful and constructive recommendations to the table and helping to make the player better. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slim Devices is hiring!
Dave2 Wrote: Michael - I did suspect that your original post meant to mock what you thought was my error. No mocking intended. I thought it was an error and helpfully pointed it out. The humour (for me anyways, not, it seems for you) came from this posting: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17347page=4 posting 146. My SB3s physically arrived before the shipping advice did. So I wrote that time had travelled backwards. So for me this was the second article for time travel. Humour (or so I thought) but no mocking. you wrote a cryptic jibe. Eye of the beholder. No jibe, no mocking, no attempt at being cryptic. I was pointing out what I believed was an error, a quote attributed to 5 days in the future. I may have ended up being cryptic, for which I apologize, but that was not my intention. Michael -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18569 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wake up slimserver (Wake-on LAN) through wireless network
On 1/12/05 at 01:00 -0800, danco wrote Things for you to try, if you can on a headless machine. What happens if the hard drive is set not to go to sleep? Though, from things I have read, using EnergySaver to set the hard drive not to sleep does not actually work unless the computer itself is also set not to sleep. -- Daniel Cohen ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: What's Up with This Scan Function?
gjrhine Wrote: I have 907 songs. I blanked out the Music Folder, checked Use iTunes and hit Clear Library and Rescan Everything. Four hours of scanning later I got tired of waiting, shut down SlimServer and restarted it. Everything was there! Are you supposed to guess when it is finished? Is there a way to disregard the Still Scanning message and tell when it is done? You're right that its not always obvious, but you can... - refresh the home page - on windows, run Task Manager and watch for CPU use dropping to less than 100% - wait till the disc stops rattling - from the CLI, enter rescan ? [NB - this works but is not meant as a serious answer!!!] Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18705 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: ANNOUNCE: New Beginners Guide in Wiki
im going the infrant x6 route for nas, ought to be here next week, i'll contribute what i discover whilst setting it up to the wiki. _sam -- teanau teanau's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2575 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18649 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Audioiphile form- factor
buy a squeezebox2. sits in my rack next to benchmark dac-1. look pretty good next to one another. -- JayNYC JayNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=121 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18701 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
On 1/12/05 at 14:57 -0500, Aaron Zinck wrote An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door stop ? Not really a good measure of usability, if you ask me. I really don't think the granny market is going to be a booming market for networked media player devices no matter how easy they are to use. And my granny would use any number of things as a doorstop. She would certainly relegate a computer to doorstop duty yet there are millions of homes with computers. I don't mean to nitpick because I know and am sympathetic to what you're trying to say, but I don't really think that granny-acceptance is the level of usability the squeezebox is shooting for. 1. don't let's be ageist. 2. Assuming that one's granny is not a techie, the real question is how well she can use it once you have set it up for her, and how often she phones with problems. -- Daniel Cohen ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] No router connection - possible?
Hey guys, was up. I've recently got my SB2 unit, and was told that it could work connecting wirelessly to my wifi card directly, without any router... Anyway, so far no good... The SB sees the SSID of my card, but can't connect to the slimserver. What direction should I go? TNX -- shnoozi shnoozi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18709 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent
australia: fesh en cheps nz: fush un chups uk fosh on chops normalised: fish and chips im from new zealand and have done a little voice work, but probably sound a little mongrel for consumer electronics appeal. that and i generally have to repeat everything 4 times before americans comprehend. excellent _sam -- teanau teanau's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2575 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18104 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: No router connection - possible?
shnoozi Wrote: Hey guys, was up. I've recently got my SB2 unit, and was told that it could work connecting wirelessly to my wifi card directly, without any router... Anyway, so far no good... The SB sees the SSID of my card, but can't connect to the slimserver. What direction should I go? TNX Well, could be lots of things, but you might want to try Firewall settings on your PC. See http://www.slimdevices.com/su_faq.html#troubleshooting-sp2 ... if that doesn't work have a look at some of the other suggestions there. ... and if that doesn't work report back and someone else canhave a go! Good luck... Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18709 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: No router connection - possible?
Dont use the xp firewall, I've shut down the sygate one that I do. Thanks anyway -- shnoozi shnoozi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18709 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Wiki - forum section for arguing changes, or a seperate discussion pge like wikipedia
It's great the initiative ceejay started, but on some pages I can see an issue where some things are going to be changed, then reverted back and then changed again depending on what people think. I've left a dirty great comment on a page because I don't know where else to leave it. Whilst it's great to be able to do this, sometimes it would be nice being able to flag things that need changing, or discussing changes before they happen. Now, do we create a comments page Wikipedia style or have a forum thread/section for this? Ideas? -- Jim Jim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=213 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18712 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: a positive SB3 review
danco Wrote: the real question is how well she can use it once you have set it up for her, and how often she phones with problems. Works for more than just grannies. Parents, girlfriends ... -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18651 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: ANNOUNCE: New Beginners Guide in Wiki
Any recommendations for WYSIWYG software/Firefox plugin for editing these Wiki things? I'm a bit of a Wiki newbie and seeing as I don't have beard never really got into editing Wikipedia :P Yes, I can edit HTML til the cows come home in notepad, but these tables are a pain in the wiki when it comes to editing them, and as it's for making my life easier on the forums I want to contribute. -- Jim Jim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=213 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18649 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Options for remote power on of non ir amp
fcm4711 Wrote: Hi all I found a way to switch an amplifier on and off without needing to decode the ir signal. :) Check it out here: www(dot)gwendesign(dot)com/slimserver/dev_hard_and_software.htm#ampswitch Technical background: The plugin switches between audio and blaster mode causing the right output of the headphone jack to be either low or floating. That can be used to drive a transistor which in turn drives a relay. Cheers Felix I have a friend who wants this or the equivalent, and I'm consulting on the design and construction. The circuit, as shown, is pretty simple, but I think it could be simpler yet, BUT I need more info. If the circuit was designed to drive an IR emitter, then it should also be able to drive an appropriate SSR (solid state relay / optoisolated) since the input to those is an LED too - 1.2V, 8ma. However - I don't know, and can't find any information about what the load limit is for the driver. Would such a load be a problem since it would be on full-time while the squeezebox outputs are on? An IR output is MUCH more intermittent. There would also likely need to be a change in the IRBlaster software to drive a full-time ON state, rather than just enabling the ground-sink. TIA Hugh -- hhoover hhoover's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2581 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17974 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Need Australian female voice talent
You might want to check out voice123.com. You can search by gender and there's an English/Australian/NZ category. They even have audio samples of the voices. -- Jim Larson Jim Larson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1869 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18104 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Seattle Event - Thanks Patrick and Seattle Sunglasses!
Many thanks for the excellent deal and for making Seattle one of your stops. Now, I have a v1.0, 2.0 and 3.0... I still have to convince my wife that I really need all three. I'm enjoying listening to the French Jazz FM station while upgrading my Slimserver from 5.4 to 6.2.1 ... it's taking a long time saying SlimServer starting. Is it importing the metadata and re-indexing my FLAC library? thanks, Al -- Al Garay Al Garay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2583 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18703 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Adhoc problem
Although my sb2 finds the SSID of my wifi network (pci adapter, no router, adhoc mode), it can;t connects to slimserver.. firewall is off... What's wrong? -- shnoozi shnoozi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2578 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18713 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver 6.2.2
I too am having problems with 6.2.2 with a SB1 SB2 connected to it. My music collection is almost all ogg and flac with a few mp3. My SB1 will not make a sound for any of them. I have also taken the step of disconnecting SB2 and then restarting slimserver to see if there may be some confusion over which one is the SB1. SB1 display was acting like it is playing something. At the time the song is over (not that you can hear it to confirm) the next song in the list is displayed. -- Rockin Rockin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=757 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18376 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Biography and OS 10.4
Does anyone have instructions for installing Biography on Mac OS 10.4. I tried putting Biography in the plugins directory, but that did not work. I serached around and did not really find muchAny assistance would be appreciated. Thanks. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Strange SlimServer/SB2 Behaviour
Hi All, My SB2 and SlimServer have been working beautifully for a while now. But I have had to reinstall Mac OS X.4 (with 10.4.3 update) on my mac mini and although SlimServer (6.2.1) starts up and is otherwise functional via the web interface, the SB2 just can't connect to it - even when the firewall is disabled. Network is ethernet only. Additionally, the folders contained within user/library/slimserver/ are completely empty! Total size for the /slimserver/ folder is reported as 16k. I'm sure that's not right. I have deleted every reference to slimserver, etc and reinstalled a couple of times now. I have also performed repair permissions using Disk Utility. Still the same problem. Slimserver 6.2.1 works fine on my iBook and the SB2 can connect perfectly. Any help would be appreciated. -- cashman cashman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2585 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18718 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wiki - forum section for arguing changes, or a seperate discussion pge like wikipedia
Jim Wrote: It's great the initiative ceejay started, but on some pages I can see an issue where some things are going to be changed, then reverted back and then changed again depending on what people think. I've left a dirty great comment on a page because I don't know where else to leave it. Whilst it's great to be able to do this, sometimes it would be nice being able to flag things that need changing, or discussing changes before they happen. Now, do we create a comments page Wikipedia style or have a forum thread/section for this? Ideas? Not sure if I've missed something, but I can't see your dirty great comment anywhere ... perhaps someone has already deleted it!! ? :-) (Actually I think not because the last changed stamps don't show a change?) I agree about the potential for infinite circular change, especially on some of the religious-war subjects such as EAC vs CDex vs whatever. Isn't the wiki principle that you're supposed to just let this happen and that a sensible group of people will eventually converge - if not to a single answer then at least to a reasonable statement of the alternatives? Otherwise I'd suggest, if you see controversy coming or discussion required: (1) as a principle lets try to remember that this is a beginners guide, so we don't need to go into all the fine detail, and we probably don't to be putting people off too much (2) as a first step, post in the forums. How about just tacking on the end of my original ANNOUNCE message? We can debate stuff there. (3) If you feel really strongly about something and you haven't got consensus here yet, create your own Personal View page and link to it. As a develoment of the latter idea, I think there is quite a lot of mileage in ThisIsHowIDoIt pages - if someone has worked out their own way of doing something, expound it in detail in a separate page. Seeing a few of those from different people might be very helpful for a beginner. Thanks again for joining in! Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18712 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
