Re: [slim] Is SB3 robust as a product?
I'm not an industrial designer but I always thought that the attached wal-wart and the thick RCA cords running from the back were a dead give away as far as portability goes. I remember very clearly the two times that my Nokia 9210's display died after just a one meter drop. I agree that that's a bad thing for a portable device, but really, the SB3 isn't portable. It would be nice it it were more sturdy though, there's always a risk that it will fall off a table or something... Regards, Peter On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:58:04 -0700, mitip [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I may break things but I also design them, I argue if you haven't broken something you can't tell how strong it is! An expensive approach I know. As a designer and English contemporary of Jonathan Ive, of Apple design notoriety, I can see the iPod influence in the design of the SB3. But there is the rub, the 'product semantics' of an iPod match its use; it looks portable because it is portable. I got into a habit of carrying my SB3 around. In the lounge for hifi, in the bedroom for late night, in the workshop as background music. But if you carry something you drop it, I did and the display gently hissed away its gas and the display stopped working. The SB3 is small, looks portable, has a nice leg at the back to carry it, is reminiscent of a portable iPod, almost encourages carrying but, as I can confirm, it not portable because it cannot survive the typical drop test that a portable object like my cell phone has to. A drop of 4 feet onto carpet killed the display. Sorry Slimpeople, I like the appearance of SB3 but it is unsuitable. Either give it the semantics/feel of a fixed item, as the old SB1 (it doe not have to look like a 70s alarm clock though) or accept that the display is too fragile and revert to LCD (which would allow you to knock £50 ($70!) off the price. -- mitip mitip's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5260 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23509 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
I think the SB3 is amazingly well made for the price, good quality mouldings, good display and if you take it apart, the quality of construction is fine. The display is glass and of course it will break if you drop it. I don't think anyone should seriously think of an SB3 as being a portable device. Besides your carrying handle is actually a stand. The secret is not to be to mean and only have one SB3. I have three for the different locations I like to listen to music. As for the iPod, there's a product which is clearly intended to be portable yet fails completely to stand up to the wear and tear involved in being so. You only have to look at the chrome back and it gets scratched and the fronts are made of a very soft, scratch prone plastic. So, if you're pointing an accusing finger at inappropriately designed products, I would point it in Steve Job's direction, not Sean's. And don't get me started on the lack of a user changeable battery. -- Mark Norton Mark Norton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4722 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23509 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How much longer for a really slim SlimServer?
I noticed that Sonos is now available at Future Shop - can you imagine all the folks who will drop the cash without really knowing what they're buying, or what the alternatives might be? But that's not what your first posting was about: Sonos an open solution? I know I am sure having a hard time justifying a PC purchase in order to have a dedicated server! That's easier with Sonos: the device is your computer. And it costs at least as much :-) -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Problem: Can't open file for:
FWIW I am having this problem with the qnap and sb3 combo. I think in my case I didn't leave the scan long enough. Some directorys are fine, whilst others have a couple of tracks in at best that play, despite the album being listed there. Its no biggy for me as I still have several (hah!)cds to rip and transfer across, so will do a full rescan and leave it on when I'm at work. What would be nice (don't know if its possible)is for slim to include a progress bar to let you know when the scan is complete. -- davidcotton davidcotton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: How much longer for a really slim SlimServer?
I would think the main thing holding this back is market forces. Exactly. And it's not one market. We're talking about very different markets: - Simple silent: the NAS solution - Cheap: the turn-my-PC-into-Slimserver solution - Hifi: the I want a component sized slimserver solution - Integrated: MeSue's very personal I want a Squeezebox boombox. solution ...only to name a few. All of them have been asked for many times before. And all of them have pros and cons. You mentioned some of them yourself (performance, noise, energy consumption, geekiness, money...). When I was working on SlimCD and saw the interest in it (it has been downloaded a few thousand times) I was thinking about extending it to be the SlimLinux distribution, easily installed on any PC, possibly selling it pre-installed on some silent, low power PC (mini itx). But I think there's just no market for such a niche product, if you don't have other products to sell in masses. SB imho is still a niche product. A Slimserver hardware solution would be a niche product within a niche market. Paul is selling NAS devices - selling a value added version with slimserver installed is a plus compared to other NAS devices. But I'm sure hew wouldn't sell that box if he didn't sell other NAS boxes, too. I only see two possible solutions: - Hifi or integrated: SD take the risk and sell a box for good money: cheap just isn't an option if you have to earn money with little volume. This will therefore be too expensive for most of us, and probably not as open as you'd like. - Cheap: The community creates some SlimLinux/SlimNAS distribution with an easy installer, Samba and integrated web interface for PC based hardware. That would be the open, cheap solution. But hey, somebody has to do this. For free. Any volunteers? (Be warned: users want more than this. NFS will be next. Why not add LinVDR?...) -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Softsqueeze control via IR?
I've used XMMS on my HTPC Linux box for quite a while now. I'm able to control it via IR through an IRman serial device. I've even got my Philips Pronto remote configured for it. It's nice being able to start playing music in my media room from a single remote without needing a separate SB. I also like that I can synchronize (theoretically) my SB2 in the bedroom with Softsqueeze in my media room. The biggest piece of functionality missing is the IR control of Softsqueeze. I don't necessarily like having to use the keyboard/mouse to control my music playback on the computer. Many times I don't even have the display turned on. I just want to listen to music. Any chance something like this could be added? Perhaps the ability to control Softsqueeze through an IRman device using the standard SB remote? Anyone else feel this would be handy? - Kyle -- kyleki kyleki's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2510 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23510 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: squeezeboxes flying off the shelves?
3 people have got one having used mine and I got my SB3 after visiting a friend and seeing his SB2. When someone gets to play with a Squeezebox they just fall in love with it - one chap asked if he could use my PC to order one on the spot! I think that the problem with trying to market SB to the masses is that when you try to describe it to someone the response you usually get is 'So its like an iPod?' at which point I just give up. It's the sort of product that you don't realise you need until you play with one. -- Browny http://www.last.fm/user/BrownySV/ Browny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23505 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: squeezeboxes flying off the shelves?
Agree, At last count I have two workmates with them and the no.'s rapidly rising (I work in Engineering though) and three Brother's in Law that will have them in the near future. Based on my experience, I would say sales are exponential too. The new case design of the SB3 is a key part to it. -- Andyoz Andyoz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4864 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23505 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver No Album No Artist
I seem to have solved part of the problem by removing the lyrics from the 7 problem files. Slimserver now recognises the files, puts them in the right folder and reads them normally. The other 50 files with lyrics in the same folder, showing under Slimserver Song info, some Lyrics: eng some Lyrics: plus lots of funny caracters, perform normally. Analysed with MP3/Tag, the files with lyrics all show Unsychronised lyric / text transcription and, under Frame content, show unsupported binary data (in grey). It makes no difference whether Slimserver shows, under Song info, Lyrics: eng or Lyrics: plus funny caracters. Alltogether, this leaves me with some files without lyrics (regrettably) and some with showing either eng or funny caracters (under Slimserver Song Info) all of them being read. A related question: can Slimserver show lyrics on the server's screen? -- Scallywagfr78 Scallywagfr78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5136 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23236 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SB2 Freeze after 6.2.2 Upgrade
Anybody got any help / advice as to why my SB2 freezes after the 1st song is played when I use firmware 48? -- MrP MrP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1001 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23397 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Softsqueeze Crashing
Hi, I've been playing around with Slimserver and Softsqueeze to get an idea of how it works before buying a SB3 and I have a problem. I get occassional crashes and when windows reboots it says the following: the size of the \windows\temp\sqlite_X entry is not valid What is causing this crash to occur? I am running Slimserver 6.2.2 on a P3 PC with just under 0.5 Gb RAM. I intend to use this PC as a dedicated music streamer to a SB3 but these crashes don't inspire confidence in forking out the cash for the SB3. Please give suggestions as to what the problem may be. Thanks. -- MrGadget MrGadget's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5287 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23515 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Problem: Can't open file for:
Yeah, I definitely waited for the scan to complete before trying to play the music. That's not the cause of this for me. I think I'll try the downgrade. -- patrickregan patrickregan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5129 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is there a right and wrong Linkstation for AlienBBC?
The pre7 version of mplayer does not have a built in RealAudio codec and there is no external MIPSEL codec for RealAudio. Normally I would advise to get the most recent CVS tarball snapshot and compile it instead but the snaphsot is broken. So use CVS to get your own snapshot and then compile it. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22251 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
I had a similar problem (Windows XP cannot install Slimserver Service) with the 30 April nightly for 6.3.0. I uninstalled, then reinstalled the 28 April nightly with no problems and everything is working fine. Maybe give that a try and see if it solves the Shoutcast problem ? http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/SlimServer_6_3_x_v2006-04-28/ -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 6.3.0 Woes
Now I have lost ShoutCast streams, even though the plugin is there. Shoutcast has changed their stream directory format - and the necessary new plugin is not in 6.2.x. You'll have to use 6.3 or later to use it. (you'll find quite some information about this issue in these forums) If slimserver does not start right after the installation, then just uninstall it and re-install again. Sounds stupid, but this has fixed the problem for most of us. -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Q: Default Player
Note the MAC can also be found in Settings - Information - Player Information. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23488 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
The SB3 is clearly not meant to be a portable product! Just because it looks like it is (I don't fully agree on this, but anyway) doesn't mean it is. Perhaps you're looking at it more from an industrial design standpoint, but if you carried it around like that just to prove a point, well, point proven. It's not a portable product, despite it being seemingly designed like one. I would not be willing to sacrifice the display, its best feature IMHO, to accommodate portability which it isn't designed for in the first place! -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23509 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
Sorry, but you are just redirecting the anger about yourself to someone else. I don't think you will find the word portable anywhere on either the packaging or the slimdevices web site (you can prove me wrong). This isn't a portable device. Period. If I dropped my DVD player which has the same number of connections and is only slightly heavier would I blame the manufacturer for not making it sturdier because I want to carry it around? I don't think so. The round edges and the faceplate remind you of an apple product? Well, how about this: My computer display has round edges, an aluminium body and two connections (it is even made by apple!). I have not yet felt like carrying it around or dropping it. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23509 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
mherger Wrote: Now I have lost ShoutCast streams, even though the plugin is there. Shoutcast has changed their stream directory format - and the necessary new plugin is not in 6.2.x. You'll have to use 6.3 or later to use it. (you'll find quite some information about this issue in these forums) If slimserver does not start right after the installation, then just uninstall it and re-install again. Sounds stupid, but this has fixed the problem for most of us. -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) Ok I uninstalled my older version of SlimServer (it also deleted my prefs file!! Good job I have a backup) When I run the set-up of 6.3.0 it seems to install then I get this: 'Problem installing SlimServer service for autostart: The system cannot find the file specified' Any ideas? Thanks -- dfk dfk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
Hello, Is not the 6.3 build available for the Mac anymore? Haven't seen it for several days now. Last time I installed it, the server would not start, so I deleted 6.3 and reinstalled 6.2.2 and it started. Will any of the other nightly 6.3 builds install in the Mac? Thanks -- anicca anicca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4519 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
dfk, that's exactly the problem I got with the 30th April nightly. Reinstalling it didn't help (I tried several times). Have you tried the 28th April version I linked to ? -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
Siduhe Wrote: dfk, that's exactly the problem I got with the 30th April nightly. Reinstalling it didn't help (I tried several times). Have you tried the 28th April version I linked to ? I think this is the cause of the problem: There is no slim.exe file in SlimServer_6_3_x_v2006-05-01 .exe or .zip package. This seems like a real oversite or has slim.exe been replaced with something else in the package? -- dfk dfk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
Something similar happened to the nightlies a few weeks ago. It was just a bug / compile error and fixed in the next day's update. AFAIK slim.exe is still required. Either try an earlier build or wait for the next update. -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
Siduhe Wrote: Something similar happened to the nightlies a few weeks ago. It was just a bug / compile error and fixed in the next day's update. AFAIK slim.exe is still required. Either try an earlier build or wait for the next update. Yes, I did revert to an earlier build of 6.2.2 as this is the only way I can get anything to work again. I am fed up with the fact I have wasted an hour of my life trying to install an upgrade with software that is half missing in the package! I have not tried the 28th April 6.3.0 build maybe I will try that as it looks as though 6.3.0 since the 29th April has not had the slim.exe in the build as the build is 5Mb shorter than the other builds and it just so happens the slim.exe is 5,229Kb Thanks -- dfk dfk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: squeezeboxes flying off the shelves?
People see mine on top of my stereo stack with the RSS feed scrolling by and ask what it is. Once I tell them it's usually just an Oh for a response and that's it. Apparently I'm one of the few people I know who prefer to listen to music over watching TV. On top of that most people I know don't have a music collection the size of mine (not that it's that large, but big enough). My wife likes the SB but she doesn't want to take the time to learn how to rip music, which is another stumbling block. -- 4mula1 4mula1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3439 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23505 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Softsqueeze Crashing
You're saying Windows itself is crashing? That's very unlikely to be anything to do with the Slim software. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23515 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
Take away the VFD and replace it with an LCD? No way, the VFD is the reason I bought the SB3. I'm not going to try it, but I don't think my Ipod's hard disc would fare to well if I dropped it either... -- matt24 matt24's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5190 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23509 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: squeezeboxes flying off the shelves?
After having mine for a month, two of my neighbours have ordered theres. I thought I would be using it for my own music, but so far it's 90% radio. Groove Salad accounting for about 50% of that and BBC Radio1 the rest (AlienBBC is the best thing since sliced bread !) Can't wait to see what they have in store for the v4's whenever they come out. How often is the hardware upgraded ? -- mactavish mactavish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4795 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23505 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Softsqueeze control via IR?
chrisla Wrote: Can you get your IR setup to input X IR code and output Y keyboard press? SoftSqueeze already has a full host of keyboard shortcuts, the easiest thing to do is send those. This is what I do with my setup though not using a slim remote.I'm not sure if I can do this or not; I've never tried. The only reason I have XMMS working is that it comes with an embedded IRman plugin. What software do you use to accomplish this on your system? Are you running Linux or Windows? -- kyleki kyleki's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2510 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23510 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
As I mentioned, 6.3.0. 28th April is working for me. As this isn't fixed in 1 May version, I'll open a bug. Appreciate it can be frustrating, but bugs do creep in, and the one thing you can be sure of is that it will be fixed quickly. I find the Slim Devices guys incredibly responsive compared to other similar products. -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: squeezeboxes flying off the shelves?
I agree...it is all in the test drive. I got a friend at the office to go in on the 2 for $100 off deal. She wass a little unsure, but since having it she loves it. The video from the NY Times review that showed how Pandora worked was a great example I have used to convince other people. Maybe Slimdevices needs to a put their own video up showing how the whole thing works so more people get it. -- boerner boerner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23505 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] new radioio stations
I listen to several of the radioio stations. It appears they have added a few new stations. I was wondering if they will be added to the choices available on the either the squeezenetwork or the slimserver? radioiodead and radioioplug seem to be missing from the choices on the SN. -- Rossolee Rossolee's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2180 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23518 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: new radioio stations
SN's RadioIO plugin will be updated to match the trunk version very soon, with support for their login system and the new stations. You can download a 6.3 or 6.5 nightly to get the same in SlimServer. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23518 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver No Album No Artist
Yes, it can show lyrics on the songinfo screen: it does for me on the very few songs I've added lyrics to. (I need to find a nice tool to take a txt file and cram it into a USLT tag...) Only thing I don't like about it is it would be nice if br's were inserted at line breaks, but other than that it seems to work for me, though I have very few files with lyrics embedded. And it hasnt broken album art handling at all: I'm anal about my album art and do a full wipe rescan reasonably often to make sure album art is correct. The few lyrics I have are in 2.3 tags and latin-1.. are yours 2.4 and/or utf? Though I don't know why that would break artwork... -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23236 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: squeezeboxes flying off the shelves?
In order to fly off the shelves the Squeezebox needs to be on the shelves to begin with. There are are hardly any retailers selling it right now. I live in NYC and wanted to pick one up at a bricks and mortar store and couldn't find one. (Tekserve only had the Squeezebox 2). Internet sales are great, but for a consumer product you really need to find a way to get in stores. Squeezebox is a great product - I love mine, but it's really not marketed to consumers at all. I can't imagine growth is exponential because there's no awareness of the product in the marketplace (which is why you all have such trouble explaining the product to your friends). Ask 100 people at random on the street what a squeezebox is and you'll get 100 blank stares. Ask 100 people what an iPod is and 30 will take one out of there pocket to show it off, 65 will offer an explanation, and 5 will adjust their hearing aids and ask you to repeat your question. One of the reasons that iPods sell so well is that they've been brilliantly and exhaustively marketed. If/when Apple ever gets serious about competing with the squeezebox with something other than Front Row they'll probably outsell Slim's lifetime numbers within a week or so (assuming they build a halfway decent product). That's not a knock on the people at Slim, just a testament to the power of advertising. -- mrchrispy mrchrispy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4175 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23505 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
On Mon, 1 May 2006 07:37:14 -0700, matt24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Take away the VFD and replace it with an LCD? No way, the VFD is the reason I bought the SB3. I'm not going to try it, but I don't think my Ipod's hard disc would fare to well if I dropped it either... My iRiver H140 suffered no ill effects when it jumped form my pocket while I was running through an Amsterdam street (late for a meeting in the Okura) and it bounced on the stones a few times. It was turned off and the iRiver's metal casing is probably a lot more sturdy than the iPod's plastic. Not to mention the beneficial effects of the crude but effective leather case that comes with it. Still, I'll try not to repeat that experiment. I think the iPod's casing is more at risk from damage than the HD, at least if the latter is in parked mode, which - fortunately - it is most of the time. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
Siduhe Wrote: As I mentioned, 6.3.0. 28th April is working for me. As this isn't fixed in 1 May version, bug opened below. If you want it fixed, please vote for it (more votes = more attention). Appreciate it can be frustrating, but bugs do creep in, and the one thing you can be sure of is that it will be fixed quickly. I find the Slim Devices guys incredibly responsive compared to other similar products. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3359 Siduhe Thanks for your response. I have been around this forum for a while, and I know the guys here are committed to ensuring that things like this are fixed ASAP. What I find incredible, is that the same guys are putting out builds with the main .exe missing and not even noticing it. I would not call this a bug by any means... You can't seriously suggest that we should be voting for something that is a core part of making the software functional? Regards Dave -- dfk dfk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1699 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
dfk Wrote: What I find incredible, is that the same guys are putting out builds with the main .exe missing and not even noticing it. I believe the nightlies are released though an automated process. It is entirely resonable that something awry is not noticed until after the fact. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.3.0 Woes
Seems the 6.3.0 rpm also has problems. Won't start : Some sort of SHA1 perl module error. Had to erase and install back to 6.2.2. Runs fine. -- siasl siasl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3368 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23514 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
...My iRiver H140 suffered no ill effects when it jumped form my pocketwhile I was running through an Amsterdam street (late for a meeting in the Okura) and it bounced on the stones a few times. It was turned offand the iRiver's metal casing is probably a lot more sturdy than theiPod's plastic. Not to mention the beneficial effects of the crude but effective leather case that comes with it. Still, I'll try not to repeatthat experiment.I think the iPod's casing is more at risk from damage than the HD, atleast if the latter is in parked mode, which - fortunately - it is most of the time.Regards,PeterI drop my iHP-120 fairly often, no issues. It is in the leather case that iRiver thoughtfully provided. It's in much better shape than my wife's iPod mini, which is half the age. -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: 6.5 new install, new issue
On FC5 from the tar ball: # ls -l /var/log/slim* ls: /var/log/slim*: No such file or directory # Anybody know where the log is? ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: 6.5 new install, new issue
Michael Haan wrote: On FC5 from the tar ball: # ls -l /var/log/slim* ls: /var/log/slim*: No such file or directory # Anybody know where the log is? its usually in /tmp Not a great place for it, we know. There is a startup parameter that tells it where to place the log. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Softsqueeze control via IR?
I do this very thing with Girder on Windows. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23510 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: 6.5 new install, new issue
Ok, here's what I get: # tail -f /tmp/slimserver.conf tail: cannot open `/tmp/slimserver.conf' for reading: No such file or directory tail: no files remaining [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# tail -f /tmp/slimserver.log 2006-04-30 11:59:00.2642 DBD::SQLite::db do failed: attempt to write a readonly database(1) at dbdimp.c line 398 at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/DataStores/DBI/DataModel.pm line 317. DBD::SQLite::db do failed: attempt to write a readonly database(1) at dbdimp.c line 398 at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/DataStores/DBI/DataModel.pm line 317. END failed--call queue aborted. 2006-04-30 11:59:17.3328 ERROR: Cannot write to preferences file /etc/slimserver.conf, any changes made will not be preserved for the next startup of the server 2006-04-30 11:59:17.7813 Your data source needs to be configured. Please open your web browser, 2006-04-30 11:59:17.7814 go to the following URL, and click on the Server Settings link. 2006-04-30 11:59:17.7814 The URL to access SlimServer is now: http://tibeaux.hannet:9000/ mkdir /usr/local/slimserver/Cache/templates: Permission denied at /usr/local/slimserver/CPAN/Template/Provider.pm line 398 2006-05-01 13:31:38.3270 DBD::SQLite::db do failed: attempt to write a readonly database(1) at dbdimp.c line 398 at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/DataStores/DBI/DataModel.pm line 317. DBD::SQLite::db do failed: attempt to write a readonly database(1) at dbdimp.c line 398 at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/DataStores/DBI/DataModel.pm line 317. END failed--call queue aborted. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Problem: Can't open file for:
I haven't had the problem again, and it seemed to be an issue with the file encoding. Allofmp3 were upgrading their site at that point so may have been that, but I have had no problems since. I know use 6.2.2 with no issues, and it definitely re-scans much quicker. -- slayaz -- In a land of sheep, even a toothless wolf is king slayaz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=211 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22252 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Re: 6.5 new install, new issue
Quoting Michael Haan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On FC5 from the tar ball: # ls -l /var/log/slim* ls: /var/log/slim*: No such file or directory # Anybody know where the log is? The RPM defaults to /tmp/slimserver.log, but if all you have done is install the tarball then there is nothing else setup on your system. try ./slimserver.pl --logfile /path/to/slimserver.log the .Deb package uses /var/log/slimserver.log -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Problem opening new files
I haven't anything to my library for a while. I have just ripped a few tracks with EAC and SB2 says 'Problem: Can't Open File For..' All old files are playing fine. Any ideas? -- oli oli's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23522 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
mitip Wrote: I may break things but I also design them, I argue if you haven't broken something you can't tell how strong it is! An expensive approach I know. As a designer and English contemporary of Jonathan Ive, of Apple design notoriety, I can see the iPod influence in the design of the SB3. But there is the rub, the 'product semantics' of an iPod match its use; it looks portable because it is portable. I got into a habit of carrying my SB3 around. In the lounge for hifi, in the bedroom for late night, in the workshop as background music. But if you carry something you drop it, I did and the display gently hissed away its gas and the display stopped working. The SB3 is small, looks portable, has a nice leg at the back to carry it, is reminiscent of a portable iPod, almost encourages carrying but, as I can confirm, it not portable because it cannot survive the typical drop test that a portable object like my cell phone has to. A drop of 4 feet onto carpet killed the display. Sorry Slimpeople, I like the appearance of SB3 but it is unsuitable. Either give it the semantics/feel of a fixed item, as the old SB1 (it doe not have to look like a 70s alarm clock though) or accept that the display is too fragile and revert to LCD (which would allow you to knock £50 ($70!) off the price. For what it's worth, I just checked with our support guy and he only recalls one other instance of a customer reporting a damaged display from a fall. Considering it's a glass vacuum tube, they are pretty robust. They're mounted on foam strips to absorb impact, and it really takes a bad stroke of luck for them to break in a typical fall. We'll consider a warning on the package - it's really not intended to be carried around like a ipod. Anyway please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and they can arrange for repairs. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23509 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
I appreciate you sharing your experience with the forum. It is a good reminder to be careful not to accidently knock over the SB when mucking around behind the stereo equipment. That must have been a heart stopping experience. Ooch. -- joek joek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23509 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Flac To MP3 - C#/.NET Version
I needed a way to keep my FLAC and MP3 libraries in synch so I wrote a quick and dirty application to do this. I'm not Perl fluent so it was quicker for me to go this route, believe it or not. It reads the Ogg-vorbis comments out of the FLAC file, decodes the FLAC file back to WAV and them lames it to MP3 applying the comments. Most of the lame settings are hard-coded right now and I don't plan on making it a hobby to maintain the thing, but I'll be happy to hand off the source code to someone who'd like to or anyone who's interested in customizing it for their own needs. There's certainly room for improvement as currently I read the entire FLAC file into a byte array and then scan it for the comments - it would certainly be more efficient to read the file only as much as necessary to get the comments and then quit, but whatever, I just let it run all night. I've converted about 65GB of FLAC to 12GB of MP3 (192kbps) so far but will have to free up some room on my drive before I can go any further. It works well for what I needed and is intelligent enough to ignore files and folders that it finds already existing in the destination tree. Yes, this is my first post but my Squeezebox (had it about a month) has been so easy to use that I really haven't had any questions I couldn't get answered by searching here. My Squeezebox rocks - I truly love this device. John -- johnc_22 johnc_22's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23523 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
Hi, Is there a way for my slimserver to be running on a remote network (for example at my girlfriend's house), and my squeezebox to connect to it while it is running at my place? The documentation says the squeezebox will scan the local network when it starts up. However, I'd like to be able to tell it to go to a URL where I've opened up a port for the slimserver to run on at the remote location. -Faisal -- faisalm faisalm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5298 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
faisalm Wrote: Hi, Is there a way for my slimserver to be running on a remote network (for example at my girlfriend's house), and my squeezebox to connect to it while it is running at my place? -Faisal I tested this out at work by opening up the appropriate ports on my firewall at home and forwarding the ports to the computer running slimserver. I used the softsqueeze app to test and it did work but my upstream was not enough for my FLAC files so there was massive delay and dropouts. I'm sure with MP3 files and a solid upstream cable or DSL connection it would work just fine but you certainly want to think about security concerns. I believe you can configure the slimserver to only accept connections from certain IPs. -- johnc_22 johnc_22's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
Yes, this is possible. It will, however, require some configuration on your part. The simple but unsecure way is to forward ports 3483 and 9000 on your router to the box hosting slimserver. This, however, leaves your server machine open to potential (but unlikely) exploits. The more secure approach is to use SSH. You'd have to set up SSH on your server machine, but since the squeezebox hardware doesn't support SSH you'd also have to set up an SSH client on your girlfriend's computer, configure it to forward all requests on ports 3483 and 9000 to your remote server computer, then point your SB at her machine. So the idea is this: SB - GF's computer - your remote server -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
However, I'd like to be able to tell it to go to a URL where I've opened up a port for the slimserver to run on at the remote location. The SB will scan the local network for easy setup. But you can always manually define a fixed IP address. -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the StringEditor Plugin (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox3 flashed to Squeezebox2 !?
Hi all, After installing Slimserver 6.2.2 my Squeezebox3 required (and loaded) new firmware, version 48. However, if I now check the player-information it says: Squeezebox2. Did it install the wrong firmware ? Thx for your replies, Louis -- labeelen labeelen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5299 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
johnc_22 Wrote: I used the softsqueeze app to test and it did work but my upstream was not enough for my FLAC files so there was massive delay and dropouts. Slimserver will transcode to a user-selectable mp3 bitrate on the fly to avoid this problem. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
azinck3 Wrote: Slimserver will transcode to a user-selectable mp3 bitrate on the fly to avoid this problem. That is totally cool - doesn't get around my security concerns so I probably won't use that info just yet, but the ability to have my music collection at work (or anywhere I happen to be with my laptop) is just awesome . . . thanks. -- johnc_22 johnc_22's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
On Mon, 1 May 2006 11:44:05 -0700, azinck3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Yes, this is possible. It will, however, require some configuration on your part. The simple but unsecure way is to forward ports 3483 and 9000 on your router to the box hosting slimserver. This, however, leaves your server machine open to potential (but unlikely) exploits. The more secure approach is to use SSH. You'd have to set up SSH on your server machine, but since the squeezebox hardware doesn't support SSH you'd also have to set up an SSH client on your girlfriend's computer, configure it to forward all requests on ports 3483 and 9000 to your remote server computer, then point your SB at her machine. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Provided he restricts incoming traffic on your router to his GF's IP address it is totally unnecessary to use VPN or SSH tunneling for this kind of thing. IP filters are impenetrable without attackers having cracked his (or her) ISP first and then it's not just you who's in trouble. Tunneling is alwyas a hassle and makes everything a lot less reliable. If your routers support router-to-router LAN tunneling it's worth considering, but else I'd forget it. Common sense is requirement #1 in security. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Squeezebox3 flashed to Squeezebox2 !?
No, the Squeezebox2 and 3 are almost hardware-identical and use the same firmware. There was code in some firmware releases to try to detect if it was a v2 or v3 by MAC address, but it looks like it was dropped. It's just cosmetic, you won't experience any issues because of this. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23526 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
On Mon, 1 May 2006 11:15:52 -0700, joek [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I appreciate you sharing your experience with the forum. It is a good reminder to be careful not to accidently knock over the SB when mucking around behind the stereo equipment. It sure made me check if the cables would hold mine if the housekeeper for knock it from its little ledge in the kitchen ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
It made me check the calendar to make sure it was May1 not April1. Original poster, Sorry your SB3 is broken, but do you complain to the manufacturer when you drop anything else and it breaks? Like a crystal glass, or a china dish or a vase, or an egg? They are all much more portable than a SB3 (no wires, no electricity needed) yet I bet you wouldn't think of it. It's nice some are finding usefulness in your message. On 5/1/06, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It sure made me check if the cables would hold mine if the housekeeper for knock it from its little ledge in the kitchen ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
peter Wrote: On Mon, 1 May 2006 11:44:05 -0700, azinck3 azinck3.2756h01146509102 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com said: Yes, this is possible. It will, however, require some configuration on your part. The simple but unsecure way is to forward ports 3483 and 9000 on your router to the box hosting slimserver. This, however, leaves your server machine open to potential (but unlikely) exploits. The more secure approach is to use SSH. You'd have to set up SSH on your server machine, but since the squeezebox hardware doesn't support SSH you'd also have to set up an SSH client on your girlfriend's computer, configure it to forward all requests on ports 3483 and 9000 to your remote server computer, then point your SB at her machine. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Provided he restricts incoming traffic on your router to his GF's IP address it is totally unnecessary to use VPN or SSH tunneling for this kind of thing. IP filters are impenetrable without attackers having cracked his (or her) ISP first and then it's not just you who's in trouble. Tunneling is alwyas a hassle and makes everything a lot less reliable. If your routers support router-to-router LAN tunneling it's worth considering, but else I'd forget it. Common sense is requirement #1 in security. Regards, Peter I appreciate this feedback and I trust you are correct. Despite being a web programmer in my daily life, I know relatively little about the various attacks that can be mounted so wanted to err on the side of caution in any advice I might give. There seem to be a lot of old-wives tales out there in the network security world, and I have been somewhat baffled by the degrees to which some people will go to secure (I use quotes because sometimes the effectiveness of the approach seems questionable) their data. I figure I'm more likely to have my identity stolen by handing my credit card to the waitress at a restaurant than I am by way of having my slimserver hacked. But to each his own. For me, between not having anything of great value/secrecy on my personal computer and the relative obscurity of slimserver, I've felt no qualms simply using IP filtering. I'm glad to know this is not only convenient, but safe. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
peter Wrote: On Mon, 1 May 2006 11:15:52 -0700, joek joek.2755bb1146507601 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com said: I appreciate you sharing your experience with the forum. It is a good reminder to be careful not to accidently knock over the SB when mucking around behind the stereo equipment. It sure made me check if the cables would hold mine if the housekeeper for knock it from its little ledge in the kitchen ;) Regards, Peter Yeah, that's why I don't have a housekeeper. -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23509 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
On Mon, 1 May 2006 12:11:54 -0700, azinck3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: For me, between not having anything of great value/secrecy on my personal computer and the relative obscurity of slimserver, I've felt no qualms simply using IP filtering. I'm glad to know this is not only convenient, but safe. You shouldn't have anything to worry about. Make sure you check from a remote IP address to see if your rules are actually doing what they're supposed. It's too easy to get these things wrong, although I mostly manage to lock myself out in these cases. Having nothing of value is no great protection these days. Most attackers are happy to contend with adding your machine to their army of well connected zombies. So if you hear stuttering, you know what to look for ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
peter Wrote: IP filters are impenetrable without attackers having cracked his (or her) ISP first and then it's not just you who's in trouble. Could you explain this? I've seen you state it a few times in other threads, and I'm not sure I believe it. I'm not a security expert, but I play one on the weekends. For those who are interested, this page : http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1674 gives a nice overview of IP spoofing. Having some form of control of any specific ISP or network is certainly not a pre-requisite. What I would agree with, however, is that IP spoofing is hard, and to be quite honest the risk of someone taking the trouble to attack your slimserver is pretty remote. I'd still use a tunnel though, as I don't find them hard to setup and it's better to be safe than sorry. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23525 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Infrant Slimserver 6.2.2 Add-On available
If you have an Infrant ReadyNAS variant, and using the built in Slimserver, be advised Infrant released SlimServer 6.2.2 this weekend. http://www.infrant.com/support.htm I have not installed it yet. Needless to say, I am excited to get rid of all the 6.2.1 bugs. I was very happy with 6.2.2 on the PC before I got the NAS and had to go back. Rich -- richidoo richidoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23529 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Buffer drained, pausing playback
Triode Wrote: I would hope this would state 100%. During this time did the instantaneous value drop below 100%? Less than 100% at slightly higher than your desired rate is likely to be a problem. [NB there is some overhead in the streaming protocol.] This should not be a problem when wired but best to be sure of this first. The Server Response Time graph is the one that matters - your results look normal, but there are 7 times when the server took between 1 and 5 seconds to respond and 1 time when it took more than 5 seconds. It may be worth zeroing the counters and watching this to see. However server does look healthy for all other measurements. I didn't watch the squeezebox during the 45 minutes of using NetTest so I'm not sure whether the instantaneous value dropped. If I retest it again, and it does drop, what does this indicate? That the network itself is defective in some manner and not the software? Unfortunately I continue to have dropouts and stops. When I retest, server responsiveness levels are mostly strong with some longer times similar to the one I posted. Any other suggestions? -- coldslabs coldslabs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=450 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20783 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Crazy device MAC address - two days old and no longer working
Well, I've heard that for people that have this problem, it sometimes happens again. Please let us know if you notice that! I'm very keen to reproduce this issue. -- ChrisOwens -- Christopher Owens QA Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] (510) 743-1152 x717 ChrisOwens's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4240 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23443 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Is SB3 robust as a product?
I may break things but I also design them, I argue if you haven't broken something you can't tell how strong it is! An expensive approach I know. If you had simply rebooted your router like everyone repeatedly suggested, I'll bet you wouldn't have thrown it into the wall in frustration. My apologies if I have the wrong thread, FL ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How much longer for a really slim SlimServer?
Paul_B Wrote: My biggest issue is finding a small neat amp to partner the squeezebox and install some in-wall / in ceiling speakers. I think the solution will be the so called T-amps. I would like Squeezebox to offer this solution or provide quality active / powered speakers Have you been unable to find active speakers? Strikes me that it would be quite a challenge for Slim to ramp up a speaker business when there are already so many great products on the market. What would they have that the others don't? -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23496 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How much longer for a really slim SlimServer?
azinck3 Wrote: What would they have that the others don't? Brushed Aluminum face plates that say Slim Devices. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23496 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Softsqueeze Crashing
Yes, Windows XP reboots. Win XP just had a clean re-install recently too. -- MrGadget MrGadget's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5287 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23515 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Is SB3 robust as a product?
freelunch Wrote: If you had simply rebooted your router like everyone repeatedly suggested, I'll bet you wouldn't have thrown it into the wall in frustration. My apologies if I have the wrong thread, FL ROTFLMAO x 5 -- mzpro5 mzpro5's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2267 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23509 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Has anoybody used the Squeezebox successfully in the UK?
Came across this post as I was looking for a way to get Capital FM streaming via my Slimp3 and/or SB3. I've only been testing with the Slim (as it's closest to me at the moment), but can't quite seem to get it working. The URL I've been using is: http://audio3.musicradio.com/capitalsuperhi When I try to tune this in, I get 'WMA Convert error - check file types' displayed on the Slim. Is this an issue particular to the slim, or do I have something configured incorrectly? I was under the impression it's possible to transcode radio stations, so if transcoding to MP3 anyway I can't see why it wouldn't work on the Slim. If I need to change convert.conf, can anyone offer any pointers? Thanks, Tom -- twynne twynne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1326 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23426 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Accessing Slimserver via Squeezebox across internet
On Mon, 1 May 2006 12:50:04 -0700, radish [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: peter Wrote: IP filters are impenetrable without attackers having cracked his (or her) ISP first and then it's not just you who's in trouble. Could you explain this? I've seen you state it a few times in other threads, and I'm not sure I believe it. I'm not a security expert, but I play one on the weekends. For those who are interested, this page : http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1674 gives a nice overview of IP spoofing. Having some form of control of any specific ISP or network is certainly not a pre-requisite. In practice all ISP routers have (or should very much have) ingres/egress filtering. This means that incoming packets with an inside source address and outgoing packets with an inside source address are blocked omn the routers. This makes spoofing very hard on the attacker, because the attacker should be able to transmit packets with a source address outside of his own range (that's the point). So to be able to send IP packet with a forged source address is already quite hard. If you manage to do this anyway, you are able to send spoofed IP packets, spoofed UDP packets to your victim. Just don't expect a reply, because the reply packets will be returned to the spoofed address over which you have no control unless you are able to reprogram the routers on the way which is about as hard as getting on the ISP's 'lan'. It is possible to use spoofed UDP packets to attack (trigger a buffer overflow) because the UDP packets are passed on by the TCP stack to the server software. A malformed UDP packet with a spoofed IP address could be used to attack a DNS server via a buffer overflow. As I see it, in the case of a connection oriented protocol like TCP (which is what we're talking about here) it is impossible to gain access to the application (slimserver) by just sending packets and ignoring the replies. For the TCP connection to work the handshake must be completed. AFAIK there's no way around this. Session hijacking as described in the article is only possible when you're on the same subnet or somewhere in the data path. Spoofed TCP setup packets are very popular in DOS attacks of course, but they work without replies. Then if (and I don't think that's possible) you get access to slimserver, you'd have to be able to gain access to the system beyond slimserver. This is usually done through buffer overflows, which, in the case of a Perl application are rather unlikely IMO. Perl (as a language) has dynamic memory allocation, so there'd have to be a bug in the Perl runtime itself. It's possible I guess... And of course, we'd need a hacker. One that not only knows you're running slimserver but also knows on what port (ok, he could just try all of them) and what IP addresses you have given access. And he'd need a motive. What I would agree with, however, is that IP spoofing is hard, and to be quite honest the risk of someone taking the trouble to attack your slimserver is pretty remote. I'd still use a tunnel though, as I don't find them hard to setup and it's better to be safe than sorry. I'd like to hear how a spoofing attack against a filtered router TCP port could work, if you know of a way. If you do, I'll be glad to open up a port on my router, supply you with all the necessary info and wait for you to take over control of my living room Squeezebox. I'll give a Squeezebox to the first person who manages to do that ;) Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Flac To MP3 - C#/.NET Version
Here's some C# code my friend wrote to read the Vorbis comments. You
really just need to read the first 1K of the file.
This is based on the format spec here:
http://flac.sourceforge.net/format.html
public static FlacMetadata ReadComments(Stream flacStream)
{
byte byteBuffer = 0;
byte[] intBuffer = new byte[4];
byte[] textBuffer = new byte[1024];
uint length = 0;
uint count = 0;
string text = ;
bool finished = false;
FlacMetadata metadata = new FlacMetadata();
// check the flac marker (first 4 bytes should
// be ASCII fLaC
flacStream.Read(textBuffer, 0, 4);
text = Encoding.ASCII.GetString(textBuffer, 0, 4);
if (text == fLaC)
{
// read all metadata block headers
while (!finished)
{
byteBuffer =
(byte)flacStream.ReadByte();
// first bit is last metadata block
marker
finished = ((byteBuffer 0x80) ==
0x80);
// next 7 bits represent block type
byte blockType = (byte)(byteBuffer
0x7F);
// next 24 bits represent size of
metadata block
intBuffer[0] = 0;
flacStream.Read(intBuffer, 1, 3);
length = ToUInt32(intBuffer, true);
switch (blockType)
{
case 0: // STREAMINFO
// 16 The minimum block size
(in samples) used in the stream.
// 16 The maximum block size
(in samples) used in the stream.
// 24 The minimum frame size
(in bytes) used in the stream.
// 24 The maximum frame size
(in bytes) used in the stream.
// 20 Sample rate in Hz.
// 3 (number of channels)-1.
// 5 (bits per sample)-1.
// 36 Total samples in stream.
// 128 MD5 signature of the
unencoded audio data.
flacStream.Seek(length,
SeekOrigin.Current);
break;
case 4: // VORBIS_COMMENT
//
http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/doc/v-comment.html
// NOTE: vorbis_comments are
encoded little endian
flacStream.Read(intBuffer, 0,
4);
length = ToUInt32(intBuffer,
false);
flacStream.Read(textBuffer, 0,
(int)length);
text =
Encoding.UTF8.GetString(textBuffer, 0, (int)length);
flacStream.Read(intBuffer, 0,
4);
count = ToUInt32(intBuffer,
false);
for (int i = 0; i count; ++i)
{
flacStream.Read(intBuffer, 0, 4);
length =
ToUInt32(intBuffer, false);
flacStream.Read(textBuffer, 0, (int)length);
text =
Encoding.UTF8.GetString(textBuffer, 0, (int)length);
string[] textParts =
text.Split('=');
metadata.Comments.Add(textParts[0], textParts[1]);
}
// the vorbis spec states that
a single bit follows
// for framing but these seems
to be absent...
break;
/*
[slim] Re: Mac Slimserver more resource hungry than Windows?
Sorry I don't have much to add to solve your problem. But it certainly isn't normal behavior on a Mac. I'm running 6.2.2 on a 1 GHz G4, MacOS X 10.3.9 which is also day to day computer. If I'm playing songs, with a browser open to the Server webpage, it still only uses 2-5% of the processor. I know with different OS and slimserver versions, this isn't a great data point, but your machine should certainly be able to handle it better then it sounds like it is... Ben -- Ben Ben's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=54 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How much longer for a really slim SlimServer?
Michaelwagner Wrote: Brushed Aluminum face plates that say Slim Devices. Sign me up for 5 pairs! Err, maybe not. ;-) -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23496 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Buffer drained, pausing playback
coldslabs Wrote: I have had the same problem while using two different routers (a NetGear and a DLink). I'll post the model #s when I get home. I hadn't seen that link. Thanks. Unfortunately most of that page seems applicable to WIRELESS/FLAC playout and problems. There doesn't seem to be any suggestions for my WIRED/MP3 issues, other than transcoding to an even lower bitrate. Since much of my music is already 192kbps, I'd really rather not go any lower. It's not particular to FLAC playback, although that'll always push the limit. However it is particular to wireless. I didn't realize you were on a wired network! A wired network that can't pass more than 192 kbps of data is severely broken. Have you swapped cables? -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20783 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Softsqueeze Crashing
On 5/1/06, MrGadget [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes, Windows XP reboots. Win XP just had a clean re-install recently too.I can't think of a way for Slimserver or Softsqueeze to cause it -- both are written in high-level languages with no access to the hardware, and you need direct driver access to crash a box. What Java sound plugin are you using, maybe it's got hardware access? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] sekrit user on Last.Fm
me likey.-- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Problem opening new files
Do a rescan - that will fix your problem -- Aztek Aztek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3784 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23522 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Buffer drained, pausing playback
Mark Lanctot Wrote: I didn't realize you were on a wired network! A wired network that can't pass more than 192 kbps of data is severely broken. Have you swapped cables? I hadn't thought of that. Unfortunately the wiring is in the walls so swapping cables isn't really very easy. I'll have to borrow one and move my stereo I suppose. Ugh. The squeezebox maintains a 99% buffer most of the time, but drops out every once in a while. Is it likely that a cable would be the cause of that? That seems like strange behavior for something that is physically static, but I'm totally uninformed on the subject. Is it possible to have interference in a wired connection? I have 2 sets of speaker wire along with the cat5 in the same box. Could that be a problem? FYI: I updated the other post. My current router is a DLink DI-604. -- coldslabs coldslabs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=450 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20783 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Mac Slimserver more resource hungry than Windows?
I was able to get rid of a similar problem by deleting some cache files. Weird little bug. The files in question were ~/Library/Caches/com.apple.preferencepanes.cache ~/Library/Caches/com.apple.preferencepanes.searchindexcache More details at these threads: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22188 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=22208 Cheers, Ariel -- trebejo trebejo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23492 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: How much longer for a really slim SlimServer?
JJZolx Wrote: I think I've said in the past that someone would do well selling turnkey Slim Server machines. I think they still would, but it's a small market and one which is obviously broken up into people who want different things from their server. First off, you can run Slim Server with pretty good success on your everyday desktop system. As Slim Server evolves, though, I think this will be less and less true. This is going to make it increasingly desirable for people to have a dedicated server. Some of the varying goals: - Cheap. Just something to get Slim Server off of the desktop system. - Low power use. For the penny pinchers, environmentalists, and those people unfortunate enough to live where electricity is very expensive. - Low noise. For folks that insist on the server being located in the listening room. Or those that can't tolerate system noise when the server is located in an office or a bedroom. - High performance. Feeding many Squeezeboxes, or with several users using the web interface, or desiring very fast library scans of large music libraries. - Small size. Again, for those locating the server in the music room, living in small apartments, or wanting something they can stash in a nook somewhere. - Storage capacity. Able to house multiple hard drives for large libraries and future expansion needs. - Robustness. RAID disk subsystems, redundant PSUs, and other trappings of a 'real' 24x7 server. Some of the conflicts here should be obvious. A server with RAID5 isn't likely to be cheap. If you want capacity and the ability house, say, five hard drives, it isn't going to be small, nor is it likely to be quiet due to cooling needs. I like your idea of a web management interface, but see some of this as features that should eventually make it into Slim Server itself. Particularly the ability to install and manage plugins from the web UI. You've hit the nail on the head with the first five bullets, and I think they're all compatible. But I think you're a little off the mark when it comes to storage requirements. Storage is evolving so quickly, and becoming increasingly cheaper as we go - I don't see that it should be integrated into the 'server' at all - the server should just have the appropriate interfaces. USB2 is doing a good job right now - how much longer until we have 100 GB of 'flash' memory (or whatever they come up with next) through an even faster interface? Redundant systems will be a simple matter of plugging into a bunch of USB slots and pressing the button! I'm glad you like the web management interface idea. As much as I'd like to become proficient in Linux (and perl for that matter), I just don't have the time, so it would be nice to have something that I can configure in a manner similar to the router without having to know all the Linux stuff that's making it happen! -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23496 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Buffer drained, pausing playback
It is possible for a wired connection to show that sort of problem if the wiring is faulty. If it gets too near a 120vac circuit for too long, inductunce can be a problem (not always from the 120vac itself, that's a nice 60hz hum.. but things with motors and such can grind up an electric signal well). Normally this isn't a problem: it's why there are rules about twisted pair: for each side of the ethernet there is a + and a - (ie, TX+/TX- and RX+/RX-) providing a balance.. when the + is driven high, the - is pulled low, which should make the signal very resistant to noise. (A T1 data circuit can run for -miles- like this without a problem, moving 1.5Mbps error free.) But if the circuit is wired 'wrong' by mispairing the wires: it will actually be -more- susceptible to noise induction. My desk at work at one point was wired by a phone guy who wired it like this. It worked fine and dandy.. unless I started moving a lot of data, then the wire would start generating noise with itself. Do you have a long cable to try for a day to see if that fixes the problem? If it does you know where to look: it may be as simple as rewiring the connectors at the wall plate. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20783 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Buffer drained, pausing playback
always worth asking - was it a telecom guy who put the ethernet cables in the wall? Cat 5 is pretty simple to wire, but you need to know the rules. There are some rules about not pulling it hard around sharp corners, etc. Some of those can break a cable and cause instabilities. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20783 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Buffer drained, pausing playback
Michaelwagner Wrote: always worth asking - was it a telecom guy who put the ethernet cables in the wall? Cat 5 is pretty simple to wire, but you need to know the rules. There are some rules about not pulling it hard around sharp corners, etc. Some of those can break a cable and cause instabilities. Well it wasn't the telecom guy who installed it (shuffling feet, looking at the ground) it was... me. I don't remember being particularly rough with it, but I can't say I didn't do something I shouldn't have. I've moved the squeezebox next to the computer and hooked up some powered speakers to it. I'll see if my problem is replicated with this setup. Assuming the d***ass who installed the cat5 did it wrong, would you have a link to some good installing advice so it can be done properly next time? I think I'll start with making sure the connectors at each end are ok per snarlydwarf's post above, but if I have to rewire, I may need some pointers. Thanks for the advice everyone. It is nice to feel like I'm narrowing down the problem, even if I caused it. -- coldslabs coldslabs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=450 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20783 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Softsqueeze Crashing
stinkingpig Wrote: On 5/1/06, MrGadget MrGadget.275dez1146518101 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com wrote: Yes, Windows XP reboots. Win XP just had a clean re-install recently too. I can't think of a way for Slimserver or Softsqueeze to cause it -- both are written in high-level languages with no access to the hardware, and you need direct driver access to crash a box. What Java sound plugin are you using, maybe it's got hardware access? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional Where do I check this? -- MrGadget MrGadget's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5287 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23515 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
