[slim] Re: Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
random_tox;149797 Wrote: > > > How about sort by song title? Or by any tagged criteria? Is this not > obvious? The current playlist pane should have custom columns, and if > not multiple sort criteria (clutter), at least non-destructive sorting. > (Is this in a skin I dont know about?) > > Id care less about playlists if there were better search features. I > want to be able to play all CDs on a recording label, or all song > remixed by an artist, or all compilation appearances by an artist. > Takes just a minute to add the data tags, but a long time to > build/maintain playlists. All tagged criteria that should be added to > search options. > > ... and you should also check out erland's plugins to see if they help - you can certainly do a lot with them! http://erland.homeip.net/download/ As for your other requests, it sounds like you should be having a look in bugzilla: if you can find an enhancement request that already exists and is close to what you want, vote for it and if necessary add a comment to clarify what you would like to see from it. For example, http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2700 might address your need for more search options. If you can't find one that matches your need, and you are able to describe clearly what you want and why, submit a new one! Its painless and gives you the best chance of getting what you want... Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Are there any radio stations for children?
I found a children's program on our Digital radio the other day: http://www.funradiolive.com/ It broadcasts from the web site in a Microsoft format I think, at least, when I clicked on the radio link using Firefox I got: "Sorry you must have Interent Explorer to Listen Live" (sic!). Looks like a high quality affair. :-) MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Squeezebox3 (linear PSU) > Benchmark Dac1 > Naim NAC 82 > Naim NAP 250 > Shahinian Arcs. Plus other irrelevant, superfluous and annoying black boxes. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29062 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Anyway to transfer settings from one player to another?
JJZolx;149720 Wrote: > If this takes you more than 5 minutes I'd be amazed. Most of the > complex settings are Server settings, which you won't need to touch. Ha, you obviously don't use all those fiddly up and down arrows to personalise your menu display. Getting that as I (and the family) like it takes well over five minutes running the web GUI on a 1.5Mhz 1gb RAM pIV. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Squeezebox3 (linear PSU) > Benchmark Dac1 > Naim NAC 82 > Naim NAP 250 > Shahinian Arcs. Plus other irrelevant, superfluous and annoying black boxes. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29047 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Problems with version 6.5.1 10386
I have just turned on d_info and d_scan debugging flags and then ran a rescan through the web interface. Where do I find the resulting logfile and what is it called? -- norderney norderney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28828 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Problems with version 6.5.1 10386
I have just turned on d_info and d_scan debugging flags and then ran a rescan through the web interface. Where do I find the resulting logfile and what is it called? You'll fine the link on the Settings/Debugging page, pretty much at the top (in the description text). -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Problems with version 6.5.1 10386
Here is the last section of the log file: Backtrace: frame 0: Slim::Schema::throw_exception (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Row.pm line 461) frame 1: DBIx::Class::Row::throw_exception (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Row.pm line 108) frame 2: DBIx::Class::Row::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Relationship/CascadeActions.pm line 30) frame 3: DBIx::Class::Relationship::CascadeActions::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/InflateColumn.pm line 222) frame 4: DBIx::Class::InflateColumn::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/DBI.pm line 35) frame 5: Slim::Schema::DBI::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/Track.pm line 305) frame 6: Slim::Schema::Track::coverArt (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/Graphics.pm line 94) frame 7: Slim::Web::Graphics::processCoverArtRequest (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 789) frame 8: Slim::Web::HTTP::generateHTTPResponse (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 677) frame 9: Slim::Web::HTTP::processURL (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 523) frame 10: Slim::Web::HTTP::processHTTP (/PerlApp/Slim/Networking/Select.pm line 238) frame 11: Slim::Networking::Select::select (slimserver.pl line 487) frame 12: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 35) frame 13: PerlSvc::Startup (perlsvc.pl line 1482) frame 14: PerlSvc::_startup (slimserver.pl line 0) frame 15: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0) ERROR: Can't update Slim::Schema::Track=HASH(0x552bb20): row not found ERROR: Backtrace follows: Backtrace: frame 0: Slim::Schema::throw_exception (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Row.pm line 461) frame 1: DBIx::Class::Row::throw_exception (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Row.pm line 117) frame 2: DBIx::Class::Row::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Relationship/CascadeActions.pm line 30) frame 3: DBIx::Class::Relationship::CascadeActions::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/InflateColumn.pm line 222) frame 4: DBIx::Class::InflateColumn::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/DBI.pm line 35) frame 5: Slim::Schema::DBI::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/Track.pm line 305) frame 6: Slim::Schema::Track::coverArt (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/Graphics.pm line 94) frame 7: Slim::Web::Graphics::processCoverArtRequest (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 789) frame 8: Slim::Web::HTTP::generateHTTPResponse (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 677) frame 9: Slim::Web::HTTP::processURL (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 523) frame 10: Slim::Web::HTTP::processHTTP (/PerlApp/Slim/Networking/Select.pm line 238) frame 11: Slim::Networking::Select::select (slimserver.pl line 487) frame 12: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 35) frame 13: PerlSvc::Startup (perlsvc.pl line 1482) frame 14: PerlSvc::_startup (slimserver.pl line 0) frame 15: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0) ERROR: Not in database ERROR: Backtrace follows: Backtrace: frame 0: Slim::Schema::throw_exception (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Row.pm line 461) frame 1: DBIx::Class::Row::throw_exception (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Row.pm line 108) frame 2: DBIx::Class::Row::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Relationship/CascadeActions.pm line 30) frame 3: DBIx::Class::Relationship::CascadeActions::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/InflateColumn.pm line 222) frame 4: DBIx::Class::InflateColumn::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/DBI.pm line 35) frame 5: Slim::Schema::DBI::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/Track.pm line 305) frame 6: Slim::Schema::Track::coverArt (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/Graphics.pm line 94) frame 7: Slim::Web::Graphics::processCoverArtRequest (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 789) frame 8: Slim::Web::HTTP::generateHTTPResponse (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 677) frame 9: Slim::Web::HTTP::processURL (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 523) frame 10: Slim::Web::HTTP::processHTTP (/PerlApp/Slim/Networking/Select.pm line 238) frame 11: Slim::Networking::Select::select (slimserver.pl line 487) frame 12: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 35) frame 13: PerlSvc::Startup (perlsvc.pl line 1482) frame 14: PerlSvc::_startup (slimserver.pl line 0) frame 15: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0) ERROR: Can't update Slim::Schema::Track=HASH(0x551ac48): row not found ERROR: Backtrace follows: Backtrace: frame 0: Slim::Schema::throw_exception (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Row.pm line 461) frame 1: DBIx::Class::Row::throw_exception (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Row.pm line 117) frame 2: DBIx::Class::Row::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/Relationship/CascadeActions.pm line 30) frame 3: DBIx::Class::Relationship::CascadeActions::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\CPAN/DBIx/Class/InflateColumn.pm line 222) frame 4: DBIx::Class::InflateColumn::update (C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Slim/Schema/DB
Re: [slim] Re: Problems with version 6.5.1 10386
Here is the last section of the log file: And after that the server crashes? ERROR: Can't update Slim::Schema::Track=HASH(0x552bb20): row not found ERROR: Backtrace follows: Too much for me :-(. Are you using any third party plugins? If yes: please remove them, restart the server, repeat the test :-/ -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Problems with version 6.5.1 10386
No, I am not using any 3rd party plug ins. I am just running Slimserver 6.5.0 software, without any modifications or plug ins. -- norderney norderney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=378 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28828 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Problems with version 6.5.1 10386
No, I am not using any 3rd party plug ins. I am just running Slimserver 6.5.0 software, without any modifications or plug ins. The subject's talking about 6.5.1 - if you aren't running it, please update and report back whether you still experience this issue. Thanks. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Problem connecting to Slimserver
I do not think it worked. Did I do something wrong? Should I just install Windows XP (32-bit version) and call it a day? +---+ |Filename: DOS2.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1899| +---+ -- tf1216 tf1216's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Problem connecting to Slimserver
I do not think it worked. Did I do something wrong? No: the modules seem not to be available for x64 bit systems. From ActiveState's support pages: "This is expected because currently there are no Windows x64 repositories." - You're out of luck :-(. Forget Perl for now. Let's try to see why the standard installation doesn't work. You've installed slimserver, right? Can you access http://localhost:9000 from your server's machine? Should I just install Windows XP (32-bit version) and call it a day? I'm the last to tell somebody "reinstall Windows" just to fix an issue. I'd rather like to know what's going on here. Maybe the whole x64 stuff was a red herring as I'm currently trying to fix a similar issue on a machine at work. Wait before we've gone through other possibilities. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Ethical question - stolen CDs & backups......
>From what I've read in the posts, all of which made perfect sense, and from what I personally believe, the contract of physical music purchase of a CD (or DVD or any recorded work on a digital medium) exists with you and your possession of the physical goods and any receipt of purchase. Any copy you make is subject to copyright laws applicable to your region (Law). If you have purchased something, it's yours(Law). If you copied something and then had the original stolen and it was insured, then once you replace that purchase, through again a lawful purchase, it's yours again(Law), and the copy is subject to the same copyright laws as before(Law), except that now it's not a copy of what you had previously purchasedThat's getting sticky - any lawyer want to step in here, go ahead, but I'd suggest that you shouldn't have that copy in your possession(Ethics). If you copy it and then sell it or give it away, you're a thief(Law). So, ethics really don't come into it very much, it's just a matter of intrinsically knowing when you have the right to something and when you don't, and generally the law, through precedent or process, is pretty clear on that. -- peejay After Silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music - Aldous Huxley. peejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7046 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Problem connecting to Slimserver
The last time I tried typing in "http://localhost:9000"; I could not access the server. I will try again tonight. I am able to get Microsoft software for very cheap so a reinstall would not be an expensive solution. I have yet to understand the advantages of the 64-bit OS for a home PC anyway. -- tf1216 tf1216's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29009 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Are there any radio stations for children?
To detect the url, use URL Snooper: http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Mouser/urlsnooper/ (I'm not associated with them). It's free and it works. -- windy windy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=320 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29062 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Ethical question - stolen CDs & backups......
peejay;149856 Wrote: > So, ethics really don't come into it very much, it's just a matter of > intrinsically knowing when you have the right to something and when you > don't, and generally the law, through precedent or process, is pretty > clear on that. I still think there's a twist, and it's in the insurance bit. I think that insurance compensates you for a loss; it does not oblige you to repurchase a product. Your car gets pinched, and you decide that a car is more hassle than it's worth - a UK-only perspective ;) - the insurance company still has to cough up. In the case of CDs, you have had a loss of the physical CDs, but you have not lost the right to play them. How you (and the loss adjuster) value that loss is a matter between you and the insurance company. Hence my earlier post stating that this might be an insurance fraud issue. There is an ethical issue too - should you rebuy? I say no - buy lots of new CDs and spend the balance on a Transporter :) -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wake-on-LAN: something new...?
I have posted report # 4424. Others with the problem -- Magwitch, Michel, Tarn? Others? -- please vote for it. -- Niss Niss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23176 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Wow, i just bought a Logitech Harmony 525 remote. If any of the Harmony software devs come a knocking on Slim's door to offer help with slimserver, LOCK IT! This has to be the worst software i have used in a long time, makes in Sonic Stage look good. Oh dear, i worry even more now. -- autopilot *SlimServer Version:* 6.5 - Windows XP. *Amp:* Cambridge Audio 640a (living room) / Denon MD30 (bedroom). *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom). *Remote:* T-Mobile MDA Vario / Sony PSP / Cambridge Audio Explorer (IR). *Clients:* 1 Squeezebox3 + Softsqueeze. autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Robocopy problems
Robocopy problems - it's one of the things that killed a lot of my server files. :-( Since that time I'm using Secure Copy. http://www.scriptlogic.com/products/securecopy/ -- RobertoMilano RobertoMilano's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8180 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27466 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Robocopy problems
Or you could try MirrorFolder. Has worked for me a for a few years without any issues at all: http://www.techsoftpl.com/backup/ MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Squeezebox3 (linear PSU) > Benchmark Dac1 > Naim NAC 82 > Naim NAP 250 > Shahinian Arcs. Plus other irrelevant, superfluous and annoying black boxes. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27466 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Robocopy problems
I use "Karen's Replicator", which is freeware: http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptreplicator.asp -- Codmate Codmate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7154 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27466 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Robocopy problems
There is also XXCOPY, which I have used successfully for years. Very simple: xxcopy p:\ n:\ /clone /yy (p is the source, n is the target, yy suppresses all prompts) www.xxcopy.com -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27466 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Robocopy problems
FWIW I've been using M$' free SyncToy to automatically backup my kids' homework folders on their laptop to our home desktop with no problems. I also use it to keep certain folders synched between my work desktop and work laptop. -- byKnight Really, it was like that when I got here. byKnight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7011 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27466 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] remote control SS3 from SB3
Hi, I just recieved my - wicked ! - new SB3 and i'd like to control 2 SoftSqueeze from the IR remote control of this new SB3. I have some trouble using the search function of the forum, it never succeed. But i'm sure i've seen something like this before (perhaps using a plugin ...). Can you help me please? thx! -- alcor alcor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7198 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Halloween stunts
I've been thinking of putting a SB and speakers on the roof above the front door for Halloween. I would control it with a laptop. Lots of possibilities there - using scary music, scary sound effects, or even recording some of my own sound bites to play at appropriate times. Funny story - about 15 years ago I lived alone and worked the graveyard shift. This meant I slept during the day and usually woke up around 6 PM. Well, I woke up one day to a knock on the door, went groggily out to answer it, then realized it was kids trick-or-treating and I had bought no treats! So I just didn't answer the door. I thought about ways of discouraging kids from coming to the house. I killed all the lights, opened some windows, put on dome darkly ambient music, and CRANKED it up - I believe I used parts of Eno's "Ambient 4 - On Land" and Jon Hassell's "The Surgeon Of The Nightsky Restores Dead Things With The Power Of Sound". I crouched under the window to observe the effect it was having. Kids were actually crossing the street to get further away from the house, and looking back with trepidation. Parents were ushering kids quickly past. I laughed evilly and went back to bed. No candy was given out, and I didn't even get egged or TP'ed. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29073 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Ethical question - stolen CDs & backups......
dullard;149785 Wrote: > That's why God gave us RAID-5 :) RAID-5 does not protect you from operating system errors or human errors. And the odds of two disks within a single RAID array breaking within a few days of each other, while very low, are not zero. RAID-5 is just one more tool in the fight to keep your data highly available. I backup my data to a USB-attached hard drive, which I only attach when I am making backups, to reduce the chances that both my primary and backup drives will both be affected by the same event. When my backup drive failed, since I don't have RAID (yet), I was exposed. I won't personally feel completely safe about my backups until I have the means to back up my data to tape or optical media (in addition to backups to a second hard disk) ... maybe Blu-Ray will be my savior, once the prices come down :-) -- Jon Jon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2848 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] remote control SS3 from SB3
ShadowPlay? http://www.gwendesign.ch/slimserver/dev_software.htm#shadowplay -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: remote control SS3 from SB3
I believe you're looking fror the Shadow Play plugin: http://www.gwendesign.com/slimserver/dev_software.htm#shadowplay -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
blue;149805 Wrote: > Don't call me immoral as I fight the thug dressed in a suit, price > gouging me ...I'm not calling you anything, but I still don't understand what > people mean by "price gouging" in this context. If music is so cheap to produce, why don't you go produce some? I do. I play it very cheaply to very small audiences. Most people prefer what's on CDs even at the prices the "thugs" charge. I don't blame them. You can get cheap music, but you want the high priced spread. I don't understand why you think it's somebody's obligation to supply it to you cheaply. Take it and pay up, or leave it and support the real starving musicians. Just don't paint yourself a hero for jumping on the same bandwagon as everyone else and dodging the fare. -- tom permutt tom permutt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1893 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Ethical question - stolen CDs & backups......
I think someone should pose this question to "The Ethicist" (Randy Cohen) at the New York Times ( [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) ... who knows, it might make it into their Sunday Magazine ... -- Jon Jon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2848 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29003 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: remote control SS3 from SB3
oh yes that's it! thx a lot! -- alcor alcor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7198 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Has anyone used D-link DGL-4300?
I've been using the same 802.11b router for quite a while, and it's time to upgrade. I am looking at getting the D-link DGL-4300, but before I make the purchase, I wanted to make sure that it would play nicely with my wireless SB3. I checked on the following page, but it isn't listed:http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?RouterStatusI did a search of the mailing lists, and I see that there have been occasional problems reported in setups where this router was used, but most of them were over a year ago. I also found a few bugs reported, all of which have been fixed. So I am optimistic, but I just wanted to double check. Is there anyone out there who is using this router with their SB3? Any issues? And, I suppose, any other general comments about the router for a prospective purchaser? Thanks a lot in advance for any help you can provide!Mitch ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Problems playing remote mp3 stream
Running SlimServer 6.5.1, streamed to work, but all the songs end prematurely and skip to next track. I've stopped all anti-virus and firewall software (AVG) -- no joy. Here's a snippet of the d_source log from the command prompt: 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7881 opening next song... 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7902 the next song is number 4, was 3 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7915 Setting maxBitRate for Work to: 128 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7929 undermax = 0, type = flc, http = xxx.xxx.xx.xx 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7931 checking formats for: flc-mp3-http-xxx.xxx.xx.xx 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7940 checking formats for: flc-mp3-*-xxx.xxx.xx.xx 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7950 checking formats for: flc-mp3-http-* 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7954 checking formats for: flc-mp3-*-* 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7967 Checking to see if flc-mp3-*-* is enabled 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7976enabled 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7985 Found command: [flac] -dcs --skip=$START$ --until=$EN D$ -- $FILE$ | [lame] --resample 44100 --silent -q $QUALITY$ --abr $BITRATE$ - - 2006-10-26 11:07:39.7995 Setting maxBitRate for Work to: 128 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8087 Matched Format: mp3 Type: flc Command: [flac] -dcs --sk ip=$START$ --until=$END$ -- $FILE$ | [lame] --resample 44100 --silent -q $QUALI TY$ --abr $BITRATE$ - - 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8093 opening next song (old format: mp3, new: mp3) current p laymode: play 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8095 Adding song index 4 to song queue 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8096 Clearing out song queue first 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8098 Song queue is now 4 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8111 openSong on: file:///I:/FLAC/Johnny%20Cash%20-%20Greate st%20Hits,%20Volume%20One/05%20-%20Johnny%20Cash%20-%20The%20One%20On%20The%20Ri ght%20Is%20On%20The%20Left%20-%20Greatest%20Hits,%20Volume%20One.flac 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8120 openSong: duration: [170.267] size: [16660881] endian [ ] offset: [0] for file:///I:/FLAC/Johnny%20Cash%20-%20Greatest%20Hits,%20Volume% 20One/05%20-%20Johnny%20Cash%20-%20The%20One%20On%20The%20Right%20Is%20On%20The% 20Left%20-%20Greatest%20Hits,%20Volume%20One.flac 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8123 Setting maxBitRate for Work to: 128 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8139 undermax = 0, type = flc, http = xxx.xxx.xx.xx 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8142 checking formats for: flc-mp3-http-xxx.xxx.xx.xx 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8145 checking formats for: flc-mp3-*-xxx.xxx.xx.xx 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8146 checking formats for: flc-mp3-http-* 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8148 checking formats for: flc-mp3-*-* 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8149 Checking to see if flc-mp3-*-* is enabled 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8151enabled 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8152 Found command: [flac] -dcs --skip=$START$ --until=$EN D$ -- $FILE$ | [lame] --resample 44100 --silent -q $QUALITY$ --abr $BITRATE$ - - 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8155 Setting maxBitRate for Work to: 128 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8172 Matched Format: mp3 Type: flc Command: [flac] -dcs --sk ip=$START$ --until=$END$ -- $FILE$ | [lame] --resample 44100 --silent -q $QUALI TY$ --abr $BITRATE$ - - 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8176 openSong: this is an flc file: file:///I:/FLAC/Johnny%2 0Cash%20-%20Greatest%20Hits,%20Volume%20One/05%20-%20Johnny%20Cash%20-%20The%20O ne%20On%20The%20Right%20Is%20On%20The%20Left%20-%20Greatest%20Hits,%20Volume%20O ne.flac 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8178 file type: flc format: mp3 inrate: 782.393 maxRate: 1 28 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8179 command: [flac] -dcs --skip=$START$ --until=$END$ -- $FILE$ | [lame] --resample 44100 --silent -q $QUALITY$ --abr $BITRATE$ - - 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8191 Using command for conversion: "C:\Program Files\SlimSer ver\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\flac.exe" -dcs --skip=0 --until=-0 -- "I :\FLAC\Johnny Cash - Greatest Hits, Volume One\05 - Johnny Cash - The One On The Right Is On The Left - Greatest Hits, Volume One.flac" | "C:\Program Files\Slim Server\server\Bin\lame.exe" --resample 44100 --silent -q 9 --abr 128 - - | 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8209 Launching process with command: "C:\Program Files\SlimS erver\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\socketwrapper.exe" -o 1966 -c "\"C:\Pr ogram Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\flac.exe\" -dcs --ski p=0 --until=-0 -- \"I:\FLAC\Johnny Cash - Greatest Hits, Volume One\05 - Johnny Cash - The One On The Right Is On The Left - Greatest Hits, Volume One.flac\" | \"C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\lame.exe\" --resample 44100 --silent - q 9 --abr 128 - - |" 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8234 openSong: Streaming with format: mp3 2006-10-26 11:07:39.8756 Pipeline reader connected 2006-10-26 11:07:45.2968 readlen undef: (Unknown error)10054 2006-10-26 11:07:45.2974 end of file or error on socket, opening next song, (son g pos: 483328(tell says: . 0), totalbytes: 2724272) 2006-10-26 11:07:45.2979 opening next song... Help! Thanks. -- Chunky Chunky's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29076 ___ discuss mailing
[slim] Re: Has anyone used D-link DGL-4300?
Oh, and I also wanted to ask what security setting (WEP, WPA, etc) you've used successfully with this router with your SB3.Thanks!On 10/26/06, Mitch Harding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I've been using the same 802.11b router for quite a while, and it's time to upgrade. I am looking at getting the D-link DGL-4300, but before I make the purchase, I wanted to make sure that it would play nicely with my wireless SB3. I checked on the following page, but it isn't listed:http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?RouterStatus I did a search of the mailing lists, and I see that there have been occasional problems reported in setups where this router was used, but most of them were over a year ago. I also found a few bugs reported, all of which have been fixed. So I am optimistic, but I just wanted to double check. Is there anyone out there who is using this router with their SB3? Any issues? And, I suppose, any other general comments about the router for a prospective purchaser? Thanks a lot in advance for any help you can provide!Mitch ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Down to earth with a thud.......
CardinalFang;144026 Wrote: > I use Apple lossless on my ancient PowerMac (500Mhz) and it runs fine, > so have you checked that your iTunes and QuickTime are in sync? Have > you tried upgrading to the latest version? > > That aside, do you have any other wireless devices or microwave ovens, > DECT phones that might be causing a problem? > > Paul I just had another thought - I found that every time one of my daughters played a song on iTunes from a different computer, it updated the itunes database and so triggered a rescan of the library by SlimServer and that caused all sorts of stuttering. Try turning off the automatic rescanning on changes to the library. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28405 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: WOL on SB power up (not just coming out of standby)
I have now upgraded to 6.5.1, but no joy. I think you missed my point - I am talking about the SB not sending a magic packet on POWER up (ie when you insert the DC jack, or turn the mains on). It works fine if the unit is already powered up and if you then bring it out of standby. Can we have a version that sends a WOL magic packet on power up ? -- mortod mortod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29042 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: WOL on SB power up (not just coming out of standby)
Submit an enhancement request at http://bugs.slimdevices.com -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29042 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Are there any radio stations for children?
Fun Radio: http://audio.musicradio.com/Playlist.asx?show=84 There's also a lot of stuff over at BBC7: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/bigtoe/ some of which will be on AlienBBC -- bonze bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29062 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
tom permutt;149905 Wrote: > I'm not calling you anything, but I still don't understand what people > mean by "price gouging" in this context. If music is so cheap to > produce, why don't you go produce some? > > I do. I play it very cheaply to very small audiences. Most people > prefer what's on CDs even at the prices the "thugs" charge. I don't > blame them. > > You can get cheap music, but you want the high priced spread. I don't > understand why you think it's somebody's obligation to supply it to you > cheaply. Take it and pay up, or leave it and support the real starving > musicians. Just don't paint yourself a hero for jumping on the same > bandwagon as everyone else and dodging the fare. I wholeheartedly agree. Music is not cheap to produce; much of the best music is not commercial (e.g. BBC Radio 3) and may well not be able to pay for itself. Starting a band costs a fortune in promotion, as well as recording costs. How on earth can the $10 CD price not be justified? If you play it ten times, that's a dollar for an hour's entertainment. I have CDs that I have played hundreds of times; I can't think of anything that is better value (DVDs I pay $20 for and play once? No thanks!) I agree that it may increase the record companies' bottom lines if they reduced prices - their unit sales might increase dramatically. However, such a strategy is very risky - once you do it, there's no going back. Blue paints the music industry as suited thugs; I've met a lot of people in music, and none of them were thugs (some *were* suited!). Most of them are great people who love music, and would love to find a solution to the current problem. There may be a few very big players who are doing well, but must of the guys I know are much smaller; they're struggling and get really upset when they see their artists, on whom they have spent a huge amount both financially and emotionally, getting pirated. They can't invest in new music if they don't make profits from their existing ones. Adam -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Sonos-style remote control for Olive music servers
stinks of marketing BS If you hit the BUY link it takes you to the Nokia online store site. This makes me think that they are simply providing a skin for the nokia, nothing more... -- Limping_Pylon Limping_Pylon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28980 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Universal remote and web broswer device
Has anyone come across a device that combines the talents of the Logitech Harmony remotes and the Nokia 770? I am looking for a universal remote with wireless web browsing abilities...i think this falls into the wish list category. -- Limping_Pylon Limping_Pylon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29080 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
I live in the Uk and my experience of logitech has been nothing but excellent. I had a conflict between a logitech device and a PCi card on my computer. I ended up on first name terms with a support guy in europe and he battled away with the problem until everything was sorted. Very friendly, so i just suggest folks should remain positive. Pass on your feedback and i'm hopeful of the spirit of co-operation continuing. m. -- mudlark mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Crestron Demo Module
To those who have download the demo module, What do you think , any comments/suggestions. (good or bad) Thanks Matt -- Speed Speed's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29015 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
If Logitech's Harmony remote 'software' is anything to go by, it's going to be an ignominous end for Slim Devices products. >From a professional developer's perspective, it has to rate as the most user-hostile software I've ever encountered from a consumer electronic device. SlimServer is a model of clarity and usability in comparison. On a more personal note, being the proud owner of a SB3, I love showing off my niche audio product. If it had 'Logitech' plastered all over it (or even discreetly hidden on the back) it becomes more akin to a 30 bucks webcam. I would not have bought a Logitech SB3. Logitech make mice (and deeply cr*p remotes) and I would not dream of having any Logitech equipment near my stereo. But still, good luck to the SD team - I'd take the money and run too. I'm just glad I got my SB3 before Logitech did. -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
I would not dream of having any Logitech equipment near my stereo. So ... the logo on the box is more important than the quality of the sound coming out of the box? -- Joe ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
Joe Craig;149967 Wrote: > > I would not dream of having any Logitech equipment near my stereo. > > So ... the logo on the box is more important than the quality of the > sound coming out of the box? > > -- > > > Joe Well, it is important... But the point I was trying to make is, based on my experience of Logitech products, I would not even contemplate buying an 'audio' product from an outfit like Logitech. -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
I feel like if you're not willing to give Slim the benefit of the doubt here, you'll only be hurting yourself. It remains to be seen how all of this will turn out.On 10/26/06, MikeWynneDub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joe Craig;149967 Wrote:> > I would not dream of having any Logitech equipment near my stereo.>> So ... the logo on the box is more important than the quality of the> sound coming out of the box? >> -->>> JoeWell, it is important...But the point I was trying to make is, based on my experience ofLogitech products, I would not even contemplate buying an 'audio' product from an outfit like Logitech.--MikeWynneDubMikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081___ discuss mailing listdiscuss@lists.slimdevices.comhttp://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
Joe Craig;149967 Wrote: > > I would not dream of having any Logitech equipment near my stereo. > > So ... the logo on the box is more important than the quality of the > sound coming out of the box? You can hear the sound coming out of the box when it's sitting on the shelf at Wal-Mart? I hate to admit it, but I too would never have considered a Squeezebox several years ago if it carried a Logitech brand. If the next generation Squeezebox is very high quality, but rebranded with the Logitech logo, I'd purchase it only knowing that it's really a Slim Devices product underneath. Certainly not the other way around. We're not talking about the logo, but the perception of the company behind that logo. My impression of Logitech is that they make very nice $30 mice. But it's damned hard to screw up a $30 mouse. The rest of their products that I've been exposed to have been universally crap. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
JJZolx;149976 Wrote: > > We're not talking about the logo, but the perception of the company > behind that logo. My impression of Logitech is that they make very > nice $30 mice. But it's damned hard to screw up a $30 mouse. The rest > of their products that I've been exposed to have been universally crap. My point exactly! -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
I'm curious which of their other products you've tried.Me, I have a higher-end mouse from them (I forget the cost, probably closer to $80 than $30), a web cam, and a game controller. I find all three to be quality products that do exactly what they advertise. I don't know how their support is, since I've never had to call it. On 10/26/06, JJZolx <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:We're not talking about the logo, but the perception of the company behind that logo. My impression of Logitech is that they make verynice $30 mice. But it's damned hard to screw up a $30 mouse. The restof their products that I've been exposed to have been universally crap. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?
from an interview with Dean http://www.redhat.com/magazine/024oct06/features/squeezebox/ -- EFP EFP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28873 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
But the point I was trying to make is, based on my experience of Logitech products, I would not even contemplate buying an 'audio' product from an outfit like Logitech. Just for the sake of argument ... how much experience did you have with Slim Devices products before purchasing a product from them? -- Joe ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Wow, Good luck... I'm in the process of sending my squeezbox back becauase I was unable to get Slimserver to work even with some customer support... I don't think slimdevices is ready for the general consumer market. For the general computer consumer I think it is very complicated. GP seanadams;147400 Wrote: > I am pleased to announce that Logitech is acquiring Slim Devices, and I > am glad to have the opportunity to share the news here in our forum > before the official press release goes out. > > We have been building a relationship with Logitech for quite some time. > As we got to know their executive team, it became clear that there was a > compelling opportunity for us to work together to bring Slim Devices > products to the mainstream market. As you may know, Logitech recently > launched the Wireless DJ music system, and also produces Harmony remote > controls, which many of our customers already use with their > Squeezeboxes. > > This is an opportunity for us to introduce Squeezebox and Transporter > more quickly to a lot more people. Slim Devices will benefit from > Logitechs brand, their retail channel, their expertise in developing > quality hardware, and their existing portfolio of complementary > products such as speakers and remotes. Logitech believes this will be a > fast growing segment of their business, and we are looking forward to > making that happen. > > One of the most exciting things about this opportunity is Logitechs > enthusiasm for our open development model, and the way we collaborate > as a community to improve our products. We plan to expand this model as > we continue to develop great new software and hardware. SlimServer will > continue to be available free of charge under the GPL, and we will > participate in these forums in much the same way. > > All of our employees have accepted new employment offers, and we will > remain in our Mountain View location. Dean, Patrick and I expect to > stay for the foreseeable future. > > Ill be here on the forums if you have any questions, and as always, > welcome your feedback and ideas. > > Best regards, > > Sean -- GregP GregP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8038 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
That is too bad. Did you try to get help from these mailing lists? There are many helpful users here...On 10/26/06, GregP < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Wow, Good luck... I'm in the process of sending my squeezbox back becauase I was unable to get Slimserver to work even with some customersupport... I don't think slimdevices is ready for the general consumermarket. For the general computer consumer I think it is verycomplicated. GPseanadams;147400 Wrote:> I am pleased to announce that Logitech is acquiring Slim Devices, and I> am glad to have the opportunity to share the news here in our forum> before the official press release goes out. >> We have been building a relationship with Logitech for quite some time.> As we got to know their executive team, it became clear that there was a> compelling opportunity for us to work together to bring Slim Devices' > products to the mainstream market. As you may know, Logitech recently> launched the Wireless DJ music system, and also produces Harmony remote> controls, which many of our customers already use with their > Squeezeboxes.>> This is an opportunity for us to introduce Squeezebox and Transporter> more quickly to a lot more people. Slim Devices will benefit from> Logitech's brand, their retail channel, their expertise in developing > quality hardware, and their existing portfolio of complementary> products such as speakers and remotes. Logitech believes this will be a> fast growing segment of their business, and we are looking forward to > making that happen.>> One of the most exciting things about this opportunity is Logitech's> enthusiasm for our open development model, and the way we collaborate> as a community to improve our products. We plan to expand this model as > we continue to develop great new software and hardware. SlimServer will> continue to be available free of charge under the GPL, and we will> participate in these forums in much the same way.> > All of our employees have accepted new employment offers, and we will> remain in our Mountain View location. Dean, Patrick and I expect to> stay for the foreseeable future.>> I'll be here on the forums if you have any questions, and as always, > welcome your feedback and ideas.>> Best regards,>> Sean--GregPGregP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8038View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821___ discuss mailing listdiscuss@lists.slimdevices.comhttp://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
Mitch Harding;149981 Wrote: > I'm curious which of their other products you've tried. > > On 10/26/06, JJZolx forums.slimdevices.com> > wrote: > > > > > > We're not talking about the logo, but the perception of the company > > behind that logo. My impression of Logitech is that they make very > > nice $30 mice. But it's damned hard to screw up a $30 mouse. The > rest > > of their products that I've been exposed to have been universally > crap. > > I've just purchased a Harmony 525 remote - it's not the remote as such (though I've only had it a few days), it's the astonishingly, egregiously BAD software. I know SlimServer is open source/GPL/whatever but if Logitech's 'developers' get near it then I'd fear the worst... They're also likely to downgrade components - once a cheap'n'cheerful peripherals purveyor... -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
Why do you think they would do those things when it would likely result in far fewer sales? Presumably they purchased SD based on their audiophile reputation. It seems unlikely to me that they would soil it. I'm guessing they'll leave SD to operate themselves as long as they turn good profits. On 10/26/06, MikeWynneDub <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Mitch Harding;149981 Wrote:> I'm curious which of their other products you've tried. >> On 10/26/06, JJZolx > forums.slimdevices.com>> wrote:> >> >> > We're not talking about the logo, but the perception of the company > > behind that logo. My impression of Logitech is that they make very> > nice $30 mice. But it's damned hard to screw up a $30 mouse. The> rest> > of their products that I've been exposed to have been universally > crap.> >I've just purchased a Harmony 525 remote - it's not the remote as such(though I've only had it a few days), it's the astonishingly,egregiously BAD software.I know SlimServer is open source/GPL/whatever but if Logitech's 'developers' get near it then I'd fear the worst...They're also likely to downgrade components - once a cheap'n'cheerfulperipherals purveyor...--MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081___discuss mailing listdiscuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
Thanks for the tips Ceejay. I'll look into your suggestions. Still would be nice for these features to appear in a SS release. -- random_tox random_tox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2096 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
Mitch Harding;149977 Wrote: > I feel like if you're not willing to give Slim the benefit of the doubt > here, you'll only be hurting yourself. It remains to be seen how all > of this will turn out. The point to me is that we all know Slim and it has an certain reputation for high quality sound, but is a bit of a geeky product. LogiTech have another brand image, which is for PC products and some people have good experience of them. We're in the know and we can make wise choices. I bought my device after a lot of research and steered clear of PC solutions - I wanted an audiophile product from a dedicated HiFi specialist, not a global electronics giant with different criteria for success. Now if I'm an audiophile completely new to networked audio and walk into a store and see a LogiTech product and a Sonos product, I may think "LogiTech do PC peripherals and PC sound is generally awful, so I think I'll take a look at this Sonos (or Sooloos) product, whoever they are". It may not be fair, but we are loaded with preconceptions about products based on brand and appearance. This often steers purchases towards the familiar and safe option. Slim built up a reputation, changing to LogiTech could throw that away. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
I really don't get why everybody is happily giving their money to allofmp3.com. The way I see it, is you're using their services, one of the following applies to you: 1. You want DRM-free music, and you want to obtain it legally. Go buy your music somewhere else. Allofmp3 is clearly not legit. And no, offering pocket change to record companies does not make you legit. If someone offers you $100 for you Squeezebox, does it give them the right to buy it from you? 2. You want DRM-free music and want to send out a signal to the other stores/record companies. Why not buy at a proper DRM-free online music store? I have mentioned http://www.emusic.com and http://www.bleep.com before. 3. You want cheap music. You have to wonder how cheap legit music can really be (see the post's above). Still, cheaper stores than iTunes can be found. Again, eMusic comes to mind. Really, using allofmp3 is no better or worse than using a P2P-client, and it costs money, too! I really don't know why people use it at all. Simon -- simontindemans simontindemans's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5109 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
Mitch Harding;14 Wrote: > Why do you think they would do those things when it would likely result > in > far fewer sales? Presumably they purchased SD based on their > audiophile > reputation. It seems unlikely to me that they would soil it. I'm > guessing > they'll leave SD to operate themselves as long as they turn good > profits. > > On 10/26/06, MikeWynneDub < > MikeWynneDub.2gatdb1161888601 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Mitch Harding;149981 Wrote: > > > I'm curious which of their other products you've tried. > > > > > > On 10/26/06, JJZolx > > forums.slimdevices.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > We're not talking about the logo, but the perception of the > company > > > > behind that logo. My impression of Logitech is that they make > very > > > > nice $30 mice. But it's damned hard to screw up a $30 mouse. > The > > > rest > > > > of their products that I've been exposed to have been > universally > > > crap. > > > > > > > > I've just purchased a Harmony 525 remote - it's not the remote as > such > > (though I've only had it a few days), it's the astonishingly, > > egregiously BAD software. > > > > I know SlimServer is open source/GPL/whatever but if Logitech's > > 'developers' get near it then I'd fear the worst... > > > > They're also likely to downgrade components - once a > cheap'n'cheerful > > peripherals purveyor... > > > > > > -- > > MikeWynneDub > > > > > MikeWynneDub's Profile: > > http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 > > View this thread: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 > > > > I know (and probably most other posters on this forum know) that Slim Devices, SlimServer and SB3/Transporter are an irresistable combo to the more geeky 'audiophile' punter. There's a certain cachet in being (or at least, thinking that you are) ahead of the curve. And my experience of personally dealing with SD reinforces that 'select' appeal. They are/were an absolute pleasure to deal with. I fear all of this will be lost with the move to Logitech. Logitech felt they had a gap in their portfolio and so casually purchased SD to plug that gap. And, in my experience, Logitech produce crap products. -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't care if I am a member of a select club or not, I don't care about the label on the front -- for me, it is about the music. I'm going to wait and see. I'm happy with the products I have, and I'm looking forward to seeing what the future brings. On 10/26/06, MikeWynneDub <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Mitch Harding;14 Wrote:> Why do you think they would do those things when it would likely result > in> far fewer sales? Presumably they purchased SD based on their> audiophile> reputation. It seems unlikely to me that they would soil it. I'm> guessing> they'll leave SD to operate themselves as long as they turn good > profits.>> On 10/26/06, MikeWynneDub <> MikeWynneDub.2gatdb1161888601 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>> wrote:> > > >> > Mitch Harding;149981 Wrote:> > > I'm curious which of their other products you've tried.> > >> > > On 10/26/06, JJZolx > > > forums.slimdevices.com>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > We're not talking about the logo, but the perception of the > company> > > > behind that logo. My impression of Logitech is that they make> very> > > > nice $30 mice. But it's damned hard to screw up a $30 mouse.> The> > > rest > > > > of their products that I've been exposed to have been> universally> > > crap.> > > >> >> > I've just purchased a Harmony 525 remote - it's not the remote as > such> > (though I've only had it a few days), it's the astonishingly,> > egregiously BAD software.> >> > I know SlimServer is open source/GPL/whatever but if Logitech's > > 'developers' get near it then I'd fear the worst...> >> > They're also likely to downgrade components - once a> cheap'n'cheerful> > peripherals purveyor...> >> > > > --> > MikeWynneDub> >> > > MikeWynneDub's Profile:> > http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230> > View this thread:> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081> > > >I know (and probably most other posters on this forum know) that SlimDevices, SlimServer and SB3/Transporter are an irresistable combo tothe more geeky 'audiophile' punter.There's a certain cachet in being (or at least, thinking that you are) ahead of the curve.And my experience of personally dealing with SD reinforces that'select' appeal. They are/were an absolute pleasure to deal with.I fear all of this will be lost with the move to Logitech. Logitech felt they had a gap in their portfolio and so casuallypurchased SD to plug that gap.And, in my experience, Logitech produce crap products.--MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081___discuss mailing listdiscuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
I disagree with the statement that Logitech will ruin Slimdevices. In fact the evidence seems to indicate just the opposite. I was an early adopter of the Harmony product (before their acquisition by Logitech). I thought it was the best universal remote on the market and the software capability (state memory, web programming, Mac compatibility) were a perfect fit for me and my equipment (despite being a small unknown Canadian company). The first new Harmony product after the Logitech acquisition was the 880 which I upgraded to and I like even more. It retained compatibility with my existing equipment and had better ergonomics, a color LCD and rechargeable batteries. The new 1000 looks even more interesting. I don't know if any of this was Logitech's design influence or if it was their ability to stay out of the way of a good engineering team but I don't care. All I know is I have a quality product that does the job. I have never had a problem with the Harmony software and don't consider it to be inferior in any way. I am also an early adopter of Slimdevices products (hand built Squeezebox, SB2, 2xSB3) and I am *very* satisfied with the product and the software. Given my experience with what happened after Logitech acquired Harmony I am enthusiastic about the future of Slimdevices. Normally I wouldn't bother replying as everyone is entitled to their opinion but I just felt that the overall tone of the message board since the news of the acquisition has been negative. I wish Slimdevices (and Logitech) much success in their new relationship. -- jbuccino jbuccino's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1096 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
Sigh ... I promised myself I was going to stay out of the "is the acquisition good or bad" discussion, but I just can't resist. I am not an audiophile, but I have a fairly extensive CD collection (800 of them), a decent amp and speakers, and 4 Squeezeboxes. When I decided to rip all my CDs and go digital, I hemmed and hawed for months over the Roku or Squeezebox decision (not to mention, all the other lower priced options on the market), primarily because I could see the Roku on the shelf at Best Buy and Circuit City, but had no idea who this "Slim Devices" company was. Just seeing the device in a store increased my confidence (silly, but true). I even considered buying a Roku but powering it with SlimRoku! I am VERY glad that I made the RIGHT decision and chose the Squeezebox ... but I think I would have made the decision much quicker if the device had some name-recognition ... and I bet there are a lot of others like me. Buying a $300 device online from a company I had never heard of was not very comfortable. In short, I believe that the Logitech acquisition will open up new markets for the Squeezebox ... and that is a good thing for all of us. P.S. What finally convinced me to go with the Squeezebox was the Slim Devices Community Forums :-) -- Jon Jon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2848 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
simontindemans;15 Wrote: > I really don't get why everybody is happily giving their money to > allofmp3.com. The way I see it, is you're using their services, one of > the following applies to you: > > 1. You want DRM-free music, and you want to obtain it legally. Go buy > your music somewhere else. Allofmp3 is clearly not legit. And no, > offering pocket change to record companies does not make you legit. If > someone offers you $100 for you Squeezebox, does it give them the right > to buy it from you? > > 2. You want DRM-free music and want to send out a signal to the other > stores/record companies. Why not buy at a proper DRM-free online music > store? I have mentioned http://www.emusic.com and http://www.bleep.com > before. > > 3. You want cheap music. You have to wonder how cheap legit music can > really be (see the post's above). Still, cheaper stores than iTunes can > be found. Again, eMusic comes to mind. > > Really, using allofmp3 is no better or worse than using a P2P-client, > and it costs money, too! I really don't know why people use it at all. > > Simon How about 4. You want individual DRM-free tracks encoded in a lossless fashion? emusic seems to only offer mp3. bleep seems to have some flac, but it's limited to certain indie labels. If you want an individual track but not a whole album in a lossless, DRM-free format, what are you supposed to do? Show me a service with a catalog comparable to allofmp3's that is offering DRM-free, lossless music. Regarding 1: unclear what you mean by 'legit'. Do you mean that it's obvious that the site violates Russian law? Or international law? Or that it's obvious that someone purchasing music through the site from the US will be himself violating US law? Do you know the details of the licenses that allofmp3 owns? Do you know the details of the relevant US laws? -- dagordon dagordon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6804 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
dagordon;150021 Wrote: > the legal issues surrounding it are not at all clear -- that is, it's > not obviously illegal I didn't know they were going to be gassed, I just put them on the train... Or, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
> Id care less about playlists if there were better search features. I > want to be able to play all CDs on a recording label, or all song > remixed by an artist, or all compilation appearances by an artist. > Takes just a minute to add the data tags, but a long time to > build/maintain playlists. All tagged criteria that should be added to > search options. Smart playlists are my no.1 request. One way of doing it would be to use the advanced search function and beefing it up a bit. Being able to search by rating would be nice, for example. Being able to save your searches and give them an name would also be nice. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
Jon;150009 Wrote: > Sigh ... > > P.S. What finally convinced me to go with the Squeezebox was the Slim > Devices Community Forums :-) Yes, it has to be said - the SD forums rule... Bring on SB4! - I hope It'll be a knockout... -- MikeWynneDub MikeWynneDub's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7230 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
adamslim;150025 Wrote: > I didn't know they were going to be gassed, I just put them on the > train... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
adamslim;150025 Wrote: > I didn't know they were going to be gassed, I just put them on the > train... > > Or, if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... Brilliant analogy! The problem is that certain legal issues are a bit more complicated than "if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck." Some people even go to school to learn about these issues and to be able to render informed judgements about particular cases. Do you also claim to have infallible intuitions about, say, the intricacies of tax law? This is a matter of interpreting U.S., Russian, and international copyright laws and U.S. import/export laws and applying them to an area that they were not designed to cover. Anyone claiming to be able to discern a priori whether downloading from allofmp3 is legal or not must be truly gifted. -- dagordon dagordon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6804 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
> For the general computer consumer I think it is very complicated. > Yes, its probably not user-friendly enough for most people. I was talking to my brother (who doesn't know beans about computers) and raved about my Squeezebox. He said: "very cool, where can I get one?" And I answered: " I warn you, its a bit complicated, its not at all like a cd-player." And he answered: "Damn, never mind, then." -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
dagordon;150035 Wrote: > Brilliant analogy! The problem is that certain legal issues are a bit > more complicated than "if it looks like a duck, and quacks like a > duck." Some people even go to school to learn about these issues and to > be able to render informed judgements about particular cases. > > Do you also claim to have infallible intuitions about, say, the > intricacies of tax law? As it happens, I am a qualified tax advisor :) dagordon;150035 Wrote: > This is a matter of interpreting U.S., Russian, and international > copyright laws and U.S. import/export laws and applying them to an area > that they were not designed to cover. Anyone claiming to be able to > discern a priori whether downloading from allofmp3 is legal or not must > be truly gifted. The exact legal issues are what keep the lawyers earning lots of money. The ethical issue is clear - AllOfMP3 pays no money to artists, so is just plain wrong. To use your tax analogy, it's like setting up a complex offshore scheme solely for the purpose of avoiding tax: it's just wrong. In the UK, our government has put in systems to make offshore tax avoidance much more difficult, and I approve wholeheartedly. Stretching the analogy, tax is good because it pays for many vital services. You may not like how much you pay, or how the government spends it, but it's a better thing to live in a tax-based society than in an anarchy. Paying for music (to the musicians!) is the same - you may not like the RIAA, BPI and their tactics, but you need to pay for it or the music will stop. -- adamslim SB3 and Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
Dagordon, you're right that allofmp3 does give you something the others don't. Properly ripped FLACs are indeed nice. That makes it equivalent to a really nice P2P service! ;) To be clear, I'm not an expert on legal issues. Therefore I can't tell you whether allofmp3 is breaking any applicable law. However, the fact that the musicians are not seeing any money gives some clue as to whether it is a 'proper' business model. For comparison, here in the Netherlands it is not illegal to download copyrighted material, only to upload it. Even so, that doesn't make it the right thing to do. Simon -- simontindemans simontindemans's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5109 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
adamslim;150038 Wrote: > The ethical issue is clear - AllOfMP3 pays no money to artists, so is > just plain wrong. But what if (and I'm taking them at their word here -- I have no idea whether or not it's true) they are turning money over to the artists but the artists refuse to take it? Where does your ethical concern go then? -- jfalk jfalk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
jfalk;150041 Wrote: > But what if (and I'm taking them at their word here -- I have no idea > whether or not it's true) they are turning money over to the artists > but the artists refuse to take it? Where does your ethical concern go > then? The question then becomes who decides how much money should change hands? Apparently the artists (represented by the studios) didn't think they were getting enough. -- simontindemans simontindemans's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5109 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Wake-on-LAN: something new...?
I think this behaviour may be a bit more subtle than simply a timeout value. On my system it's dictated by the exact state of the SB when the server system drops into standby (S3 suspend in my case). 1) If the SB is "off" (which on my device I have set to "blank" screensaver) when the Slimserver drops into standby, then turning the SB on again via the Power button on the remote will behave as per this thread. It cycles through "Waking Slimserver...", "Connecting to Slimserver..." and then reverts to a blank screen, after which you need to retry the Power button to activate. 2) If the SB is "on" (which I have set to a clock screensaver) and I then force the SS system into standby, the SB will drop back to "blank" - re-waking the SB after any period will then go back through Waking / Connecting but now it will re-connnect and return to a "clock" state. So I think that the SB may be simply reverting to its logical state when the system entered standby, rather than failing to connect. This may not be true in all cases, but it would certainly be welcome if re-awakening forced the SB into a logical "on" state rather than requiring the Power button to do this - although I can see that this may be quite tough to achieve. Brgds Phil -- florca florca's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23176 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
I agree totally with jbuccino. Anyone remember the Harmony remotes before the Logitech acquisition? Wich is the direction: better look, new functions, a developing software (Yes, far from being at the best), new products (the 1000) and a relatively lower price (do You know the price of Philips Pronto?!). So for our Squeezebox? I have some ideas: how many of us wanted a boombox? an amplified SB? a cheaper SB? try to imagine a mix of SB and a Z10 interactive speaker, a mix of SB and a Wireless DJ Music System (with the abitual Logitech price). If the sofware is provided by SlimDevices I can only be happy of this all. The last but not less important: I'm from Italy (and sorry for my english) where there is'nt an official distributor. Tomorrow I will find my new SB's in every shop that sell Logitech products (and goodbye to shipping & import duties). Ciao, Riccardo +---+ |Filename: W DJ Music.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1904| +---+ -- RiccardoR RiccardoR's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
adamslim;150038 Wrote: > The ethical issue is clear - AllOfMP3 pays no money to artists, so is > just plain wrong. In the United States, radio airplay pays nothing to performers, so it is just plain wrong. (It only pays songwriters, composers and publishers.) This is why Allofmp3 isnt paying artists. It is through a confusion in law as to whether Internet downloads count as radio or purchase. (The US has different fees for Internet Radio, like Live365, than for over-the-air: ironically license fees for an Internet-Only radio station are substantially higher than a broadcast radio station.) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
RiccardoR;150044 Wrote: > Anyone remember the Harmony remotes before the Logitech acquisition? > Wich is the direction: better look, new functions, a developing > software (Yes, far from being at the best), new products (the 1000) and > a relatively lower price (do You know the price of Philips Pronto?!).Although > I was looking at Harmony remotes for a long time, I didn't take the plunge until after the Logitech buyout. I now have the 880 and love the remote but hate the (web-based) software. I'd be curious to know whether the software was different pre-Logitech, or whether Logitech have inherited a painful interface. -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
simontindemans;150042 Wrote: > The question then becomes who decides how much money should change > hands? Apparently the artists (represented by the studios) didn't think > they were getting enough. I agree. But the ethical concern goes away. It like the old joke: "We've established what you are. The question is the price." -- jfalk jfalk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
simontindemans;150042 Wrote: > The question then becomes who decides how much money should change > hands? Apparently the artists (represented by the studios) didn't think > they were getting enough. No, the studios think they weren't getting enough. They don't care about artists: they never have, and never will. http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/packets/vol_1_no_4/001688.shtml for why internet streams are more expensive to license than radio: it isnt because the artists get a better deal -- it is because the record companies wanted a better deal. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
> Although I was looking at Harmony remotes for a long time, I didn't take > the plunge until after the Logitech buyout. I now have the 880 and love > the remote but hate the (web-based) software. I'd be curious to know > whether the software was different pre-Logitech, or whether Logitech > have inherited a painful interface. Its not like Logitech will scrap SlimServer and use something else. So we already know the software will be fairly good. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
smc2911: In my opinion (having used the software both before and after the acquisition) the Harmony software is essentially unchanged. The one major improvement is the web access time - after the acquisition the access was much faster. Before the acquisition it was often unusable. The only disappointment I have (since the acquisition) is that the Macintosh software has trailed the PC software by a significant amount. This is the issue that is causing me to keep my eyes open for an alternate solution. -- jbuccino jbuccino's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1096 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?
JSonnabend;149470 Wrote: > To my knowledge, this has never been tested in court. In my > understanding, the whole "you link to it you're infected" position is > based on a twisted definition of "derivative work" under copyright law. > > > I'd gladly take a case from an accused "linker" pro bono on this > point. > > - Jeff There are multiple type of links, which muddies this issue. If I use GPL header files and libraries in code I wrote, and then compile it, the resulting binary must be distributed under a GPL compatible license. That's pretty sensible, though: the resulting binary is not entirely your own work--it is work that partially includes/is derived from the libraries. If you want to distribute only the source code you wrote, you can do this under any license you like. But you can't take someone else's work (the library bits) and distribute it or your derivative under your choice of licenses. Jeff, if you took this case pro bono, I'd recommend settling out of court. You will lose. If you have a program that is either entirely your own work or is based on more permissive licenses for the libraries, you can also "link" it to GPL software through sockets and pipes, etc. Of course you can distribute that binary however you see fit (assuming your libraries allow it). The GPL simply does not jump out of one program and enter another all on its own. It's not any more viral than any other license. The author of the "infected" code must intentionally inject GPL code into their program (i.e. agree to the license, and then violate it). It's worth mentioning that you'd also get sued into oblivion if you redistributed Microsoft's software as part of your own software without a license. The only difference is that it's logistically easier to improperly create a derivative work from GPL software than it is to "accidentally" release an operating system that looks a lot like Windows XP except with a few tweaks here and there. "But the source code was a free download" is no excuse for violating a license, whatever the license. -- CatBus CatBus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28873 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
smc2911;150048 Wrote: > Although I was looking at Harmony remotes for a long time, I didn't take > the plunge until after the Logitech buyout. I now have the 880 and love > the remote but hate the (web-based) software. I'd be curious to know > whether the software was different pre-Logitech, or whether Logitech > have inherited a painful interface. Same here. I've had the 885 for about a week and i'm still tweaking coz I've got a complex system but it's great. The web software is a pain though and having to wait for the download to remote is frustrating but the remote itself is great. Well built and fully customisable. Good luck to Slim and Logitech. -- Robster So much music, so little time.. - http://www.myspace.com/hifinut Robster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2129 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Has anyone used D-link DGL-4300?
I have the DGL-4300 and it set up without incident and works seamlessly with my transporter. The router is one floor up from the transporter. This is a great router and highly recommended. Joe M. -- jermmd jermmd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1906 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29075 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
snarlydwarf;150051 Wrote: > No, the studios think they weren't getting enough. > > They don't care about artists: they never have, and never will. But I'm wondering...if the artists, especially the bigger acts, don't agree with what the studios do, why don't they change labels (after contractual obligations have been satisfied)? I can only conclude that the studios are (silently) backed by many of their artists. The RIAA and its sister organizations in other countries are a different matter, of course, having a 'monopoly' in their respective countries. An artist can't avoid being represented by them ;) -- simontindemans simontindemans's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5109 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Why not Transporter Home Theater Bypass Loop?
Absolutely right. The absence of Home theater bypass is a big mistake. How much more could a simple bypass switch have cost? I am unable to elegantly integrate my home theater with my 2-channel set up because of this problem. It's really very annoying. Joe M. -- jermmd jermmd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1906 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29057 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
simontindemans;150064 Wrote: > > The RIAA and its sister organizations in other countries are a > different matter, of course, having a 'monopoly' in their respective > countries. An artist can't avoid being represented by them ;) Hrrm? Sure they can. Who says RIAA labels are the only labels? They aren't. There are dozens of labels that are not part of RIAA. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
The Harmony web interface is basically identical to the original pre-Logitech version. They did however just release a new setup application which runs outside of a browser. It looks & feels much nicer although the actual mechanics of how it works are basically unchanged - think of it as a new skin. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.5 service stops sporadically
Yannzola;149790 Wrote: > Me too. Latest nightly. Default web interface is Fishbone. Running Avast > virus protection. Just now set it to ignore *.my* files... fingers > crossed. Well... I'm still crashing. However I did manage to get some informative (?) Event Viewr log messages: NOTE: I was Erlands Trackstat and Dynamic Playlists at the time. Random Songs to be exact. The crash occured right after the end of a track, and was followed by increased HDD activity (re-scan?) Event Type: Error Event Source: Application Event Category: None Event ID: 0 Date: 10/26/2006 Time: 4:29:43 PM User: N/A Computer: MEDIACENTER Description: The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( Application ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and Support for details. The following information is part of the event: Can't call method "rating" on an undefined value at C:\Program Files\SlimServer\server/Plugins/TrackStat/Plugin.pm line 3047. . Event Type: Information Event Source: MySQL Event Category: None Event ID: 100 Date: 10/26/2006 Time: 4:29:46 PM User: N/A Computer: MEDIACENTER Description: C:\PROGRA~1\SLIMSE~1\server\Bin\MSWIN3~1\mysqld.exe: Normal shutdown For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://www.mysql.com. Event Type: Information Event Source: MySQL Event Category: None Event ID: 100 Date: 10/26/2006 Time: 4:29:52 PM User: N/A Computer: MEDIACENTER Description: C:\PROGRA~1\SLIMSE~1\server\Bin\MSWIN3~1\mysqld.exe: Shutdown complete For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://www.mysql.com. -- Yannzola Yannzola's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=874 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29031 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.5 service stops sporadically
tjdebon;149811 Wrote: > I too was beset with the sporadic, and sometimes very frequent, > SlimServer stoppage with few, and possibly unrelated, messages in Event > Viewer. (Running WinXP). I turned off McAfee virus scan for .myi, > .myd, my* and the entire SlimServer and MySQL directories with no > impact on the issue. Finally, upon someone else's recommendation, I > stopped Windows Media Connect and now SlimServer (6.5.1, ~1 week old > nightly) has been running for several days. Hmmm... Unfortunately I don't have WMC installed. Unless it isn't showing up in Services for some reason? -- Yannzola Yannzola's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=874 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29031 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
junien;147410 Wrote: > Let me introduce myself. My name is Junien Labrousse, Logitech SVP of > the Entertainment and Communication Business Unit. > The first thing I'll say is that we are very excited about the > opportunity that Slim Devices will bring to Logitech. This is > a great extension of our current business. Let me assure you that one > of the main reasons for this acquisition is the development > capabilities of the Slim Devices team. The technical level of this > group is a key asset that we fully intend to leverage. The Slim Devices > entity will function independently, keeping the spirit of advance audio > technology and strong product innovation. > > Logitech will bring its global distribution and marketing capabilities, > providing a jump start to a large visibility and adoption of Slim > Devices products. > > Junien I've been part of a small company that was acquired by a larger one, and I can see all sorts of problems on the horizon. One problem is losing the interest from enthusiast, who wanted to contribute to a small specialized company, but are unlikely to feel the same way now. Another is how a search for "synergy" (or cost cutting) can rip the heart and soul out of a product and make it another also-run. Standardisation can do the same damage. A third is "managing the manager" (if he stays on -if not, even worse). A fourth might be about openness, lawyers, quarterly reports, etc, etc. I don't know it all, but I suspect it will matter. It will probably also damage any high-end aspirations in the audiophile arena. Logitech, as far as I know, has no credentials in high-end audio. Associations will instead be with computer peripherals. Let's face it, there is some mystique with a small company battling it out with the big ones, doing it their own way. I see all of this disappearing. It comes down to vested interests, and brand loyalty, and it might not be the same now. Sean: Good, innovative, well engineered products, amazing support and customer interaction, you deserve a big cheque -and congratulations on that! I hope you prove us sceptics wrong. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
JackOfAll;148617 Wrote: > Well, I'm certainly not narrow minded; I listen. As I hinted in a > previous post, I socialise with audiophiles. As a direct result of > hearing a Squeezebox in my system, at least 5 people have bought one. > Let me tell you, it was hard enough to get those people to leave their > prejudices at the door. At the time, I was able to say that SD was a > niche company, with a niche product, with a niche ethic. I'm sorry, but > explaining to them that the Transporter is 'badged' by a company that > makes $10 computer mice amongst other things is not going to inspire > confidence in an audiophile product. What happens from here on in, we > will see in time. I have an opinion, that's all. > > Clive That is the way it works in the connoisseur arena. And there is nothing level-headed people can do about it, no matter how logical their arguments are. I would NOT want a Microsoft hifi. Period! -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?
CatBus;150056 Wrote: > > If I use GPL header files and libraries in code I wrote, and then > compile it, the resulting binary must be distributed under a GPL > compatible license. I am curious as to how you derived this conclusion that linking against GPL shared libraries makes your application GPL as well? If that's the case, shouldn't TiVo's entire application suite be GPL'ed since they link against the GPL licensed stdlib? Or what about the NVidia binary kernel modules? Since they link against the GPL kernel libraries to create a binary, shouldn't that binary be GPL? I think the issue of using and distributing GPL'ed code (i.e., making the Linux kernel part of your app) versus linking to a GPL'ed library is not nearly as clear cut as you described. -- Victor "I'm against animal testing. They get all nervous and give the wrong answers." Victor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2181 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28873 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?
On 10/26/06, Victor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CatBus;150056 Wrote:>> If I use GPL header files and libraries in code I wrote, and then > compile it, the resulting binary must be distributed under a GPL> compatible license.I am curious as to how you derived this conclusion that linking againstGPL shared libraries makes your application GPL as well? Be careful to distinguish between shared libraries and static libraries. Apparently there is a significant distinction.Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?
Victor;150085 Wrote: > I am curious as to how you derived this conclusion that linking against > GPL shared libraries makes your application GPL as well? > Libraries are typically under the LGPL for this reason. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28873 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: So Farewell Then, Slim Devices
CardinalFang;149995 Wrote: > > Now if I'm an audiophile completely new to networked audio and walk > into a store and see a LogiTech product and a Sonos product, I may > think "LogiTech do PC peripherals and PC sound is generally awful, so I > think I'll take a look at this Sonos (or Sooloos) product, whoever they > are". > > It may not be fair, but we are loaded with preconceptions about > products based on brand and appearance. This often steers purchases > towards the familiar and safe option. Slim built up a reputation, > changing to LogiTech could throw that away. The thing is that the sort of audiophile who hangs out at headfi is a lot more like the target audience, in all likelihood. That demographic has the advantage of actually growing, rather than shrinking (literally dying out). Others have pointed out on other threads that, for these kinds of (mostly younger) hobbyists, some of the high end stuff is kind of a joke, and there's a lot less emphasis on how expensive/cool looking/exclusive/whatever the gear is, and a lot more on how it sounds. For them, logitech won't be a problem. And, frankly, acting as if the crappy audio that comes with a dell is representative of good computer audio is as silly as acting as if a crappy system from best buy is representative of audio in general. -- totoro _ squeezebox 3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29081 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Open Source Dream Falls Apart?
On 10/26/06, Victor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am curious as to how you derived this conclusion that linking against GPL shared libraries makes your application GPL as well? If that's the case, shouldn't TiVo's entire application suite be GPL'ed since they link against the GPL licensed stdlib? Or what about the NVidia binary kernel modules? Since they link against the GPL kernel libraries to create a binary, shouldn't that binary be GPL? The GNU C library is licensed under the LGPL (Lesser / Library GNU Public License), not the GPL. The LGPL does allow linking by non-GPL/LGPL programs. I'm not sure how the nVidia kernel modules work license-wise, though. There's still debate as to whether binary modules should be allowed. - Jacob ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Remote streaming problem
Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but I've got a related question: Let's say my music collection is encoded in AAC (m4a) and I want the ability to: 1. Stream the music over the internet to my windows PC at work. 2. Stream the music to a hardware client in my house. (Roku Soundbridge) So if I understand this correctly, in order to stream the tunes over the 'net I need to check the setting to make AAC files get encoded as MP3. Fine. However, does this mean that music going to the Roku will ALSO get encoded as MP3, or does the server have some smarts to keep the files in their native AAC format since the Roku can accept AAC?? Thanks for any info!! -- eagle63 eagle63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8168 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=26636 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
P Floding;150082 Wrote: > That is the way it works in the connoisseur arena. And there is nothing > level-headed people can do about it, no matter how logical their > arguments are. I would NOT want a Microsoft hifi. Period! Well, for the "connoisseurs" there's always sonos, olive, or sooloos :). They can play them through their 5k icepower asp amps (identical electronically to some car amps, but hey, they come from a "high end" company). -- totoro _ squeezebox 3 -> mccormack dna .5 -> audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
I, on the other hand, would purchase Microsoft hifi if it sounded good. The label doesn't affect the sound.On 10/26/06, P Floding < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:That is the way it works in the connoisseur arena. And there is nothing level-headed people can do about it, no matter how logical theirarguments are. I would NOT want a Microsoft hifi. Period! ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
