Re: [slim] Sync'ing 24 bit 16 bit?

2010-01-23 Thread Furry

pippin;509373 Wrote: 
 Which server version is this?
 Doesn't radio play 24bit, too?

Server version 7.4.1.

I don't know if the radio plays 24bit - the specs on logitech's site
don't say (and I don't have any other info to hand) and I've been unable
to find any postings about this.

It would seem odd, though, if it hadn't been designed to play 24bit.

BTW, I ought to add that this was 24bit flac, at 44.1kHz, that I was
playing.


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Re: [slim] Playlists Shuffle

2010-01-23 Thread JayLaFunk

davep;509455 Wrote: 
 What version of SqueezeboxServer are you running?  My response relates
 to ver 7.4.1.  My memory suggests that on earlier versions this was
 somewhere else as I don't think there was a My Music tab in the
 settings window but I have no way to check.
 
 If you are on an earlier version either consider upgrading to 7.4.1
 (the current official release), or have a dig around in your version to
 find the setting wherever it is hiding.  I'm pretty sure it has been in
 there from way back.
 davep

Hi Dave,

I am using 7.3.1 and can't find it, prob easiest answer is to go to
7.4.1 but have heard people have a lot of probs with it, was going to
wait until SQlite was introduced, but might just take the plunge with
7.4.1

Cheers
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Re: [slim] Sync'ing 24 bit 16 bit?

2010-01-23 Thread pippin

I've heard a lot about sync issues with Radios but don't see them myself
(I did during 7.4 beta, now I'm on 7.5 beta), so maybe this is fixed in
later releases.
You could try 7.4.2, it fixes a lot of bugs.


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Re: [slim] Playlists Shuffle

2010-01-23 Thread pippin

It's on 7.3, too, it's just not called My Music but Music Library.


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Re: [slim] to wait for the touch or install a plug

2010-01-23 Thread toby10

SC/SBS7 advantages over MySB.com for Internet Radio and Music Services
usage:
+ SC can use Music Information Screen (for legacy players like SB3 
Boom, newer LCD based players cannot use this)
+ SC offers immediate access to your local music library
+ SC includes Favorites folders and sub-folders for station favorites,
all editable and movable (MySB has no folders)
+ SC has much more player screen configuration customizing
+ SC has a larger and more configurable UI
+ SC has MUCH better Playlist configuration, control, editing, saving,
use multiple playlists (MySB Playlist control limited to SB player, no
UI interface for Playlist, only one Playlist instance, Playlist lost on
disconnect)
+ SC has a better menu layout for Internet Radio
+ SC has logging for stream error diagnosis (MySB has no logging)
+ SC has better player sync (MySB can have lag and drift, and has
limited sync options)
+ SC can sync most Music Services to multiple players (MySB can’t
use multiple players for some Music Services)
+ SC has Direct tune in URL via web UI (MySB requires this be
done by creating and saving as a Favorite before tuning)
+ SC allows for third party plugins (not available on MySB)
+ SC offers much simpler MySB player registration (simple connect
new player to SC and it is registered onto MySB) 
+ SC can do Proxy streaming (MySB cannot)
+ no FW update conflicts switching between SC and MySB

Obviously MySB’s big advantage over SC/SBS is not needing your computer
turned on (or even needing a computer at all).


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Re: [slim] Playlists Shuffle

2010-01-23 Thread JayLaFunk

pippin;509509 Wrote: 
 It's on 7.3, too, it's just not called My Music but Music Library.

Hi Pippin,

I think I need some glasses as I have looked everywhere for the option
Reshuffle on Repeat or 'Reshuffle each time' for playlists in Music
Library and can't see it...

Jay


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[slim] 3 Artist albums classed as compilations?

2010-01-23 Thread steveeedster

Hi guys,

Got a funny problem here, for some reason 3 of my artist albums are
being classed as 'Various Artists' and have a compilation'tick' next to
them on Squeezebox Server ?  I have checked and double checked the tags,
there is no double tagging, the artist tags are all correct and match
(i.r. Timbaland, all songs in this album have exactly the same
'Timbaland' as bothe the artist and album artist. (as with all my other
artist albums I tagged these myself).  

Any ideas?


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Re: [slim] 3 Artist albums classed as compilations?

2010-01-23 Thread garym

Are you positive that the compilation tag is not set = 1 in one of your
tags. Open in MP3TAG, right click and select 'extended tags'. If it
shows a compilation field, just delete that field for these files.

by the way, any reason to have 3 different tags within one filethis
often leads to confusion when the multiple tags are not each updated
with changes, etc. Many odd tagging problems reported here are
eventually solved with the discovery of multiple tags containing
conflicting data. You may have your reasons, but in general you are
better off with ID3v2.3 tags only for your mp3 files and vorbis comments
(flac tags) for FLAC, etc.  You can easily set the options in mp3tag to
read any tag type, but only keep/write ID3v2.3.  Then you can simply
load up your files, select them all, hit the big red X at the top of the
menu bar (delete tags), then immediately select EDIT / undo remove tag. 
This will remove all tags then only write the type of tag you want back.
Obviously test this on a few files first to make sure you see how it
works before you do this to 1000s of files at once.


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Re: [slim] 3 Artist albums classed as compilations?

2010-01-23 Thread steveeedster

garym;509539 Wrote: 
 Are you positive that the compilation tag is not set = 1 in one of your
 tags. Open in MP3TAG, right click and select 'extended tags'. If it
 shows a compilation field, just delete that field for these files.
 
 by the way, any reason to have 3 different tags within one filethis
 often leads to confusion when the multiple tags are not each updated
 with changes, etc. Many odd tagging problems reported here are
 eventually solved with the discovery of multiple tags containing
 conflicting data. You may have your reasons, but in general you are
 better off with ID3v2.3 tags only for your mp3 files and vorbis comments
 (flac tags) for FLAC, etc.  You can easily set the options in mp3tag to
 read any tag type, but only keep/write ID3v2.3.  Then you can simply
 load up your files, select them all, hit the big red X at the top of the
 menu bar (delete tags), then immediately select EDIT / undo remove tag. 
 This will remove all tags then only write the type of tag you want back.
 Obviously test this on a few files first to make sure you see how it
 works before you do this to 1000s of files at once.

Hi Gary, no I am using only one tag, ID2v2, the other 2 I mentioned are
blank.  I use Tagrename, is this compilation field viewable in this?


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Re: [slim] still no presentation-layer dedupe of albums

2010-01-23 Thread Zaragon

I would ask the question how does the system know that the multiple sets
are different except for the bit-rate or encoding? There are lots of
things that seem obvious but that when you try to code them become
absolutely horrendous.

Bearing in mind the SC deals in tracks and it is the tags and disk
structure that allow it to 'understand' albums.

So if you have the same track in two different directories with
identical tags but encoded differently (different bit rates or codec)
are they the same track musically or are they different but just happen
to have the same tags. 

Whilst you might say that that could never happen then consider that
there are no official tags for any track just what you put on there
yourself, perhaps with the help of an online source. So any user might
choose to accidentally make identical tags. Also consider a scenario
where an album is updated, perhaps with remix, but is otherwise
identical to the old one then it might get identical tags.

What happens if you have different album art in the two directories,
does this make the two tracks different? What about if in one directory
you have an additional track does that make the two original tracks
different?

Now one can easily say of course it does to any of the questions but
can everyone say the same thing. One only looks at it from the point of
view of one's only library.

Whilst it might be possible to do complex analysis of the tracks to try
to guess if they are similar musically you have two problems, one of
speed and processing power and secondly which one does it choose to
display and play. I can envisage situations where two tracks are
determined to be identical but aren't and you can't every get one of
them to play.

I seem to recall this has been discussed before and one solution was
that if two identically tagged tracks (differing only by codec/bit-rate)
are in the same directory then they could be considered to be the same
track thus allowing the system to choose the most appropriate to play to
a given device. Though I'm sure that there are some ripping/management
apps that might un-intentially create that situation for different
tracks. 

However, that wouldn't work in the OP's situation because he wishes to
maintain an existing directory structure.

In the OP's case perhaps he should look at the custom library plugins
then create some bespoke tags in the files. The the individual devices
can look at a tailored bespoke library.


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Re: [slim] Playlists Shuffle

2010-01-23 Thread pippin

Hm... This is 7.3.3


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Re: [slim] 3 Artist albums classed as compilations?

2010-01-23 Thread garym

steveeedster;509541 Wrote: 
 Hi Gary, no I am using only one tag, ID2v2, the other 2 I mentioned are
 blank.  I use Tagrename, is this compilation field viewable in this?

not sure as i don't use tag and rename. I would expect it should be
able to show as COMPILATION is a standard field. Although you should
also look for the field ITUNESCOMPILATION as some programs write to that
field (even programs other than itunes). Even though you use tag and
rename, you might download mp3tag and install. It is a very powerful
program recommended by many here and other digital music forums
(particularly for detective work on tag issues). I've found that it
allows me to figure out problems in tags better than other programs I've
tried.  It is easy to use on the surface but if you find you like it,
there are powerful things buried underneath the hood. And nothing to
keep you from using tagrename as well.

p.s. not sure about the other tags being blank.I don't know if
the tagrename program is showing you that the tags don't exist or that
the fields are blank. I'm not sure it is a good idea to have the
multiple tags, even if two are blank. But maybe your files really only
have the one tag. Again, mp3tag can easily tell you which tags are in
your files.


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Re: [slim] 3 Artist albums classed as compilations?

2010-01-23 Thread steveeedster

Thanks Gary, you are a legend :)

dont know why but tagrename does not seem to see the extented tags
thingie ?! hmmm, maybe i need a later version of it, i will use mp3tag
also for now seems a good piece of software :)


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Re: [slim] Playlists Shuffle

2010-01-23 Thread JayLaFunk

pippin;509549 Wrote: 
 Hm... This is 7.3.3

Cheers Pippin, I had to change my web interface from classic to default
to gain access for this action, now sorted, still contemplating whether
to take the plunge and upgrade to 7.4.1 but the the annoying thing is
after I do, it takes nearly a full day to then scan my music library,
thought they were going to introduce SQLight so it would be quicker to
scan music libraries...

Jay


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Re: [slim] 3 Artist albums classed as compilations?

2010-01-23 Thread bobkoure

SqueezeeBox recognizes my compilation (AKA various artists) albums
without there being a compilation tag at all. 
I also have albums that have a number of artists, but that are not
considered to be compilations. The difference? The ones that are not
have the same AlbumArtist. This is great for me as I have a number of
albums in which a particular artist only performs on a couple of tracks
- and I'd like those tracks to appear when I look for music by that
artist.
So... maybe add an AlbumArtist field to the albums that are being
incorrectly recognized as compilations.
I'm not sure what ID3 tag that would be (I'm all FLAC, which is Vorbis
tags).
I'd also second the MP3Tag recommendation.

And, as an idle thought, you might also create a compilation tag and
set it to 0. But again, I don't use compilation tags at all - and the
system works as it should.


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[slim] Problems squeezebox classic with last.fm

2010-01-23 Thread jerrrry

hi,
when i am using last.fm with my squeezebox there are following problems
occuring :
after a couple if mins streaming stops with the error message : server
not available !
besides that , the tracks are always the same.
listening to other online services is working woithout any issues.
does anyone know why?
squeezebox and last.fm is used in germany


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Re: [slim] 3 Artist albums classed as compilations?

2010-01-23 Thread garym

bobkoure;509560 Wrote: 
 
 And, as an idle thought, you might also create a compilation tag and
 set it to 0. But again, I don't use compilation tags at all - and the
 system works as it should.

Yep, squeezeboxserver has  some logic that makes it work with
compilations without the tag so long as artist, album artist, etc. is
set correctly. (if the original poster is interested, search this  forum
on compilation and you'll find more than you ever wanted to know about
compilation tagging!  

One thing, I recall seeing some posts where COMPILATION=0 caused some
issues. I can say in my case that my compilations have COMPILATION=1 but
when there is no compilation (regular album) I simply don't have a
COMPILATION tag (rather than having one =0).  And all works as expected,
both on squeezebox, foobar2000, itunes, etc.


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Re: [slim] Playlists Shuffle

2010-01-23 Thread garym

if you change, go ahead and use the 7.4.2. It's beta but fixes bugs in
7.4.1. I've been running 7.4.2 on my windows xp machine and have had no
issues with SB3, Boom,  transporter. Can't speak to SB Radio
hardware


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Re: [slim] 3 Artist albums classed as compilations?

2010-01-23 Thread garym

One more thing regarding the outcome. I assume steveeedster discovered a
compilation tag with a value of 1 in these files when he looked with
mp3tag.  Is this true? Or did you have to remove unneccesary tags to
solve the problem? (this info might be useful to others than read this
thread). thanks.


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Re: [slim] still no presentation-layer dedupe of albums

2010-01-23 Thread bobkoure

So maybe the answer is to move the encoding and bitrate into the tags,
either as a separate tags or maybe just as one of the multiple genres.

If you've got everything sorted into directory trees, you could just
use an MP3Tags action to either add a tag (stupidly easy) or to add a
genre (slightly more difficult - look at format values).

If you can't add tags, then, as previously mentioned (I think) look at
multiple library support - control which folder trees are in which
library by manipulating shortcuts/links.

As far as not understanding why you have this issue, well, you're way
out under that long tail...


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Re: [slim] Artist search in multiple artists albums leads systematically to first track

2010-01-23 Thread JJZolx

rotho;509263 Wrote: 
 Perhaps it is the same issue, but I think it is also happening when the
 album is not a compilation. And it also happens when I make a search by
 genre, so I don't know if this other problem will be also solved in
 7.5.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the info, I will give the 7.5 beta version a try
 this evening, and I will report back !

The fix was also just made to the 7.4.2 beta (which will be released
soon), so if you like, you could also install that version.

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Re: [slim] Artist search in multiple artists albums leads systematically to first track

2010-01-23 Thread JJZolx

rotho;509263 Wrote: 
 And it also happens when I make a search by genre, so I don't know if
 this other problem will be also solved in 7.5.

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Re: [slim] Playlists Shuffle

2010-01-23 Thread JayLaFunk

garym;509570 Wrote: 
 if you change, go ahead and use the 7.4.2. It's beta but fixes bugs in
 7.4.1. I've been running 7.4.2 on my windows xp machine and have had no
 issues with SB3, Boom,  transporter. Can't speak to SB Radio
 hardware

Cheers garym, decided to take the plunge and now downloading
squeezeboxserver-7.4.2-29879-arm-linux.tgz  SSOTS_4.2_arm.zip (QNAP
209)

Can I just install 7.4.2 over my 7.3.1 or do I need to uninstall 7.3.1
and if so, what is the best way to do a complete delete for a clean
install ?

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Re: [slim] Playlists Shuffle

2010-01-23 Thread garym

I simply installed over my 7.3 version. But after installed, I did do a
complete rescan of my music library (I don't think this is neccesary,
but I tinker with tags and such and do this every so often anyhow). And
I recall I had a couple of old plugins that I needed to update to newer
versions. You'll do this on the plugin page of the SbS setting
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[slim] Agree to invisible license terms?

2010-01-23 Thread dsdreamer

It seems to me that a new user of SBS is asked to agree to the license
terms before he may download the SBS software, but the only way to see
the license terms is to have first downloaded it (and thereby agreed to
the terms).

Is there some well-hidden link on http://www.mysqueezebox.com/download
that would let a user know what he is agreeing to?


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Re: [slim] Playlists Shuffle

2010-01-23 Thread JayLaFunk

garym;509581 Wrote: 
 I simply installed over my 7.3 version. But after installed, I did do a
 complete rescan of my music library (I don't think this is neccesary,
 but I tinker with tags and such and do this every so often anyhow). And
 I recall I had a couple of old plugins that I needed to update to newer
 versions. You'll do this on the plugin page of the SbS setting
 interface.

OK, will download what I need and change everything tomorrow, don't
fancy starting now as it is approaching sat night (drinking time lol)

Cheers
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Re: [slim] 3 Artist albums classed as compilations?

2010-01-23 Thread steveeedster

Hi gary, yes I had to remove the 'compilation tag with a value of 1 '
from the 3 albums in question.


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Re: [slim] Artist search in multiple artists albums leads systematically to first track

2010-01-23 Thread rotho

JJZolx;509577 Wrote: 
 The fix was also just made to the 7.4.2 beta (which will be released
 soon), so if you like, you could also install that version.
 
 http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=7.4

Yes, I had seen that and I indeed preferred to update to beta version
7.4.2 instead of the major beta version 7.5.0.

So, the bug is now solved for the artist search, but not for the genre
search. For example, I have a classical album where the tracks 1-3 have
the genre Violin Sonata and the tracks 4-6 have the genre Piano
Quintet. If I browse the Piano Quintet genre, I see the concerned
album, and then the tracks 4-6, and when I want to play track 4, it is
track 1 that is played instead !

I suppose that it is the same sort of bug, as for the artist search.

Is there anyway to know if it will be fixed in version 7.5.0 ?


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Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?

2010-01-23 Thread dsdreamer

https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15009

Seems it was reported in early November 2009.


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Re: [slim] Artist search in multiple artists albums leads systematically to first track

2010-01-23 Thread Siduhe

rotho;509602 Wrote: 
 Is there anyway to know if it will be fixed in version 7.5.0 ?

I don't have any albums which have different genres in them, but will
set up a test one and check for you (I'm running embedded 7.5) over the
weekend. Not sure how common it is to have different genres in one
album, so this may be an edge case that's been missed.


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Re: [slim] iPod / iPhone as a receiver

2010-01-23 Thread nathan_h

jtpowell;448747 Wrote: 
 Simplify Media does have an iPhone client. I've already got a Squeeze
 Center though.

The problem with Simplify is that is down rezes flac to below 200 kbps,
otherwise it's not a bad solution -- though of course it's outside the
Slim eco-system.  (This downrezzing isn't just for the iphone client. 
Same thing happens on the desktop.)

I'm real tempted to open up port 9000 on my router and connect remotely
that way, using the SC password.  Yes, I understand it's not
particularly secure BUT if it gets compromised, what's the damage
potential?  Someone else listening to my music collection?  

Or?

(I've been trying the SSH option but cannot get it working under
Windows 7.)


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Re: [slim] Artist search in multiple artists albums leads systematically to first track

2010-01-23 Thread Siduhe

rotho, I think it is fixed in 7.5.

I changed tracks 4-6 of an album with genre breaks to breakbeat. 
Then navigated from Genres/Compilations/Breakbeat (I use Compilations
rather than Various Artists in the software settings) 

I then see the album with only tracks 4-6.  If I press play on track 4,
track 4 plays.  Similarly, if I press play on the album (under
Genres/Compliations/Breakbeat, only tracks 4-6 play.  

Think this is the behaviour you are looking for?


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[slim] Two External Hard Drive

2010-01-23 Thread nluett

Hi,
I am trying to get my squeeze player to use two external hard drives
since I have all my cds ripped to external hard drivers. However, I can
only get my squeeze player to select only one external hard drive, how
do I get them both selected on under setting in the squeeze player on my
computer..

Thanks,


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Re: [slim] Two External Hard Drive

2010-01-23 Thread pski

nluett;509615 Wrote: 
 Hi,
 I am trying to get my squeeze player to use two external hard drives
 since I have all my cds ripped to external hard drivers. However, I can
 only get my squeeze player to select only one external hard drive, how
 do I get them both selected on under setting in the squeeze player on my
 computer..
 
 Thanks,

In your music folder on one of the drives, create a shortcut to the
music folder on the second drive. Alternately, create two shortcuts on
your C: drive (I'm assuming winders) and create two shortcuts to the
external drives in it. SBS follows shortcuts.

Welcome to the fun.

P


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Re: [slim] Artist search in multiple artists albums leads systematically to first track

2010-01-23 Thread JJZolx

rotho;509602 Wrote: 
 Yes, I had seen that and I indeed preferred to update to beta version
 7.4.2 instead of the major beta version 7.5.0.
 
 So, the bug is now solved for the artist search, but not for the genre
 search. For example, I have a classical album where the tracks 1-3 have
 the genre Violin Sonata and the tracks 4-6 have the genre Piano
 Quintet. If I browse the Piano Quintet genre, I see the concerned
 album, and then the tracks 4-6, and when I want to play track 4, it is
 track 1 that is played instead !
 
 I suppose that it is the same sort of bug, as for the artist search.
 
 Is there anyway to know if it will be fixed in version 7.5.0 ?

I didn't have any albums tagged like this, so I set up a test.  Yes,
same sort of bug.  In Settings  My Music , you must have genre
filtering enabled and, like the other bug, it's only in the SqueezePlay
(Controller, Radio, Touch) interface that it shows up.  It works
correctly if you use the web interface.

I've filed 'bug 15521'
(https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15521).  You can register
in the Bugzilla bug database and leave comments or CC yourself and
you'll be notified by email when there's activity on the bug.


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Re: [slim] Artist search in multiple artists albums leads systematically to first track

2010-01-23 Thread Siduhe

JJZolx;509621 Wrote: 
 I didn't have any albums tagged like this, so I set up a test.  Yes,
 same sort of bug.  In Settings  My Music , you must have genre
 filtering enabled and, like the other bug, it's only in the SqueezePlay
 (Controller, Radio, Touch) interface that it shows up.  It works
 correctly if you use the web interface.

Confirmed - when I tested (my post above) I only used an SB3 and the
web interface.  Didn't pick up this was Squeezeplay related.


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Re: [slim] Apple Lossless - AIFF ... gotchas?

2010-01-23 Thread rdb001

Dos anyone know why this happened?  What changed in the new releases? 
The songs all played perfectly before upgrading my OS and to 7.4.1.


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Re: [slim] Announce: New Squeezeslave 0.9 Release available on sourceforge

2010-01-23 Thread ChrisC

Hi Ralphy-
I tried deleting that line of code and rebuilding but the error
persists. Very strange indeed.  At one point I was receiving FLAC
decoding errors in the terminal window while streaming tunes through
iPeng which is funny since none of my music is in FLAC format.

The major issue, in the end, was bouncing from track to track on iPeng
- it would consistently crash / hang the squeezeslave app.  Downgrading
the Squeezeserver to v. 7.3.4 seems to have remedied the issue.  I know
there are other posts that allude to 7.4.1 / squeezeslave issues and I
would have to agree with what others have said.

If you have any other thoughts regarding this persistent error, let me
know.


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Re: [slim] Apple Lossless - AIFF ... gotchas?

2010-01-23 Thread dsdreamer

There don't seem to be any bugs open at the moment that match your
issue.

What happens when you disable native playback of AIFF and thereby force
transcoding to FLAC? 

Have you tried the 7.4.2 nightly? There could have been a fix that had
the side-effect of fixing your issue.


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Re: [slim] Announce: New Squeezeslave 0.9 Release available on sourceforge

2010-01-23 Thread ralphy

ChrisC;509640 Wrote: 
 At one point I was receiving FLAC decoding errors in the terminal window
 while streaming tunes through iPeng which is funny since none of my
 music is in FLAC format.

That's SBS transcoding into FLAC and squeezeslave complaining about the
stream.
If the error code is (0) they can be ignored.  In fact the new r124
beta moves the messages into a debug option, which is disabled by
default.

I'm going to get involved in tracking down this issue with 7.4.1.  One
of the developers has indicated that it might be related to changes in
slimproto that SS is not aware off.  I've never had an issue running
7.4.2 with squeezeslave, but I only play my local library which is
mainly mp3 and flac.

You can check ' bug 14740'
(https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14740) for details.


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Re: [slim] Artist search in multiple artists albums leads systematically to first track

2010-01-23 Thread rotho

Thank you for your testing, Siduhe and JJZolx.

I agree that this bug must not occur very often, but for classical
music, I found that the genre tag could be used to find a certain type
of work.

Let's hope it will be solved in 7.5...


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Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?

2010-01-23 Thread tedfroop

That's why I am waiting to upgrade - I want to read the license.  I got
a hold of support in November and they said they would have it was a
priority to get it fixed.

What priority I haven't figured out.  

I wonder what they are trying to hide?


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Re: [slim] Album Artist sort

2010-01-23 Thread MrSinatra

Aubuti,

here's an example of what you asked for:

https://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7992

and i think you'll see why i'm confused, some context on official pages
would go a long way.


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Re: [slim] DSBridge - A simpler way to stream Spotify

2010-01-23 Thread norway0367

Hi!

I must say that i love dsbridge.. When it works!

I'm streaming spotify wireless from my new Dell Studio 17 to my
squeezebox, which is wired to my router. Usually it plays like a charm,
but occasionally every 3-4 days it gets hicckups.. Normally the lag is
about 6 seconds(sometimes 2!), but when it gets the hiccups it can
randomly disconnect(go blue), or start rebuffring every minute, or lag
for 40 seconds.(takes 40 seconds from change tune to it acually does..)
I bought a new router because I thought that was the problem(now I use
DLINK DIR 635). It hasn't changed much. 

I don't understand what's wrong since it most of the time streams
perfect. If the wireless network is the culprit, why would it still play
40 seconds after pause in Spotify?

Anyone have a clue what's causing my problems? Because of
Spotify/dsbridge, all my CD's are packed away, and I want it to keep
that way!


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Re: [slim] still no presentation-layer dedupe of albums

2010-01-23 Thread chroma

i think you guys are making this entirely too complicated...

this is an album level, not a track level, function. the only
comparison i care about is at the album level. i'll take whatever art
and individual track versions exist with the album that is selected.

i require retention of browse music folder, yes.. that is how some
people get access to the collections that they have put together and
understand the structure of.

the higher level browses  searches though should only select the more
information dense / more complete version of an album.

for example, the following query does 95% of what is required:

select C2.id, C2.title, C2.contributor, C2.year, SUM(tracks.filesize) 
FROM albums as C1, albums as C2 
JOIN tracks WHERE C1.title = C2.title AND C1.contributor =
C2.contributor AND (c1.year = c2.year 
OR c1.year = 0 OR c2.year = 0) AND C1.id  C2.id AND tracks.album =
c2.id 
group by tracks.album order by title;

i'm not talking about eliminating piddly differences in the tags. if
someone wants to build independent heuristics for that, it would
certainly be cool to allow them to build comparison regexps or
something, but thats not the point here. my collections are meticulously
organized and the tags normalized.

as demonstrated in that query, we're just looking at albums which have
the same title, artist, year, and then adding up all of the filesizes
within that album, and ultimately (although this step is not in the
query above) selecting the largest response per similar album, and
perhaps tagging the rest with a new schema boolean hideThis.

i agree that normalization and correction of tags is an external
problem. but if they are already corrected, and i have two versions of
the same album, i want only the best copy, as defined by a very simple
and inexpensive heuristic which can be applied to existing tags, i want
only one response to my searches and browses.

clear now?


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Re: [slim] still no presentation-layer dedupe of albums

2010-01-23 Thread chroma

say you have a collective living situation. common recreation areas and
sound systems. squeezeboxes in each of them. people come in with their
own collections of stuff. there is a fair amount of overlap because they
have similar taste. each collection is very well groomed on its own. the
collection drives are added to the common server / NAS. under normal
circumstances, we want to search and browse across all collections. but
many dupes occur. in individuals own spaces, they can run multilibrary
or itunes or whatever they want across their own root directory on the
NAS. (most people still choose to buy their own squeezeboxes or run a
software client and run across the entire library, though, even in their
own rooms.)

several things occur regularly:

- seven+ hits for the same album search. no quick way to determine
which one has been ripped at 64k mono vs flac. in the common spaces,
where the sound system is of very high quality, the more
information-dense version is universally desirable. 
- multiple hits for the same album search. multiple copies of the same
quality. only one is useful.
- multiple hits for the same album search. one copy is incomplete or
incorrectly tagged. the most complete one is still desirable.
- search by artist. have to scroll through 3-10 copies of the
(apparently) same result per album name.
- search by track name. have to scroll through 3-15 copies of the
(apparently) same result per track name. [even in this case, by removing
at the album level all but the most information dense version, we get
where we want.. a single result from the best album choice]

again, i'll certainly agree that the algorithm used for selection may
change per individual taste, but as long as it assumes that the data has
been externally normalized (which i agree is not slimserver's problem),
it should do a reasonable job of making the presentation usable. the
only other major selection criterion i can think of which might be more
desirable for some people is select album copy with more items. in my
case, i've found that total byte count works in almost all cases for
accomplishing that as a side-effect.


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Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?

2010-01-23 Thread Michael Herger
 That's why I am waiting to upgrade - I want to read the license.

Would you feel better if you didn't have to read/confirm them? It's such a 
stupid thing. I never actually read any of those terms... did you?

 I wonder what they are trying to hide?

Nothing, really. It's just so useless, we should best get rid of it...
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Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?

2010-01-23 Thread dsdreamer

Much as I appreciate your free spirit, I think you're gonna have to put
the license terms somewhere prominent before the user commits the act of
installing the software. 

The GPL2 calls for conspicuously and appropriately displaying an
appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty. Having to dig
around in the install directory for some text file may not qualify.


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Re: [slim] Last.fm playlists?

2010-01-23 Thread Rick_W

i still cant figure out how to access Group Radio or Playlists on LastFM
ie other users specific generated Playlists

Is this possible?

I am a LastFM subscriber as I thought that might help


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[slim] Slimdevice and Pandora question...

2010-01-23 Thread ttwwpp

My question, is there a way to select several artists in a slimdevice
then have them shuffle (or randomly) played?
Thanks,
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Re: [slim] Open-Source Crestron Module

2010-01-23 Thread Mikecheck

Add me as a programmer who is interested in getting this working.  I
have just started programming Crestron back in June '09 and have limited
experience in SIMPL+.  I'm also in the process of acquiring all the
necessary hardware (PRO2 and a touch panel of some sort) to make this
work.  Just thought I'd throw in my name out there also.  Thanks for
getting this going.

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Re: [slim] Open-Source Crestron Module

2010-01-23 Thread jwmelvin

Mike, I'm thrilled to hear your interest. Check our the module we have,
which is currently version 0.3.7, on the google code site. It is working
pretty well at the moment. 

Favorites is working (largely thanks to Tom, who recently started
helping out), and the module as a whole is a little more reliable than
it used to be. I'm thinking the next addition will be multiple player
control and sync. It should not be too difficult. Then I'd like to add
thumbnails for each item in the browse list, which will enable album
cover browsing. 

Remember that you need not use a touchpanel--an Xpanels on a PC is
really great in many ways. I use Xpanels, keypads, and the Commandfusion
app for an iPod Touch.  Having my module work with keypads, to start a
pre-defined playlist, is probably the best feature for me. 

So, check things out and feel free to send me a private email: jwmelvin
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[slim] Alarm and Sync Groups

2010-01-23 Thread ajkidle

Is there a way to force a player to go into off status when not in
use?  

I ask because I am bothered by how the alarms works when players are
sync'd -- that is, all sync'd players sound the alarm together, unless
they are off.  Although I generally like music playback within my house
to be sync'd, I don't need everyone getting up at 5am with me.  And I
don't want to have to remember each night to manually turn off each
player.  I've read discussions about very complicated solutions with
sync groups (establishing new groups, breaking the alarm player out of
the group temporarily, etc.) but it seems an easy solution would be to
have players switch from standby status (paused or stopped) to off
status when not in use.  I define not in use as no music playback
after some user-defined amount of time -- I wouldn't want my players
turning off every time I pause a track.  So say after an hour of no
playback, the players turn off.  Then only the player where the alarm
was set will sound in the morning.  To get music up and running
throughout the house, all I would need to do is turn on the players.

So back to my original question: is this currently possible, and I just
haven't stumbled upon the setting?


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Re: [slim] to wait for the touch or install a plug

2010-01-23 Thread aubuti

mortslim;509444 Wrote: 
 But on another thread in the Touch forum, aubuti stated thusly: what do
 you see TinySBS doing that mysb.com wouldn't be doing if there is no
 local library?
 
 So now I am confused.  Aren't these quotes inconsistent with each
 other?
 
 If so, why?
 If not, why not?
Okay, fair enough. My question -what do you see- in that other
thread was meant as a genuine question, not as a rhetorical -what could
TinySBS _possibly_ be doing- If the response was running the
iPlayer plugin so I can hear the BBC or running my favorite
weather/stock market/cricket scores plugin or sync'ing internet radio
streams reliably then, well, there's my answer. Different users have
different SB usage patterns, so I didn't want to assume how that poster
was using his SBs. 

I can see the reason for the confusion, but I don't see the two posts
as inconsistent, and I hope that explains why. If not, I can try again.


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Re: [slim] Alarm and Sync Groups

2010-01-23 Thread TomS

I use the PowerSaver plugin, found here:

http://bitflip.net/slim/

After x minutes idle, it will turn your player off. Works on my boom(s)
and sb3 very well.

Tom


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Re: [slim] Alarm and Sync Groups

2010-01-23 Thread pippin

Tom, you are using iPeng.
Turning off all your players is a single click on your main power
button :) That's what the group control is for in iPeng...


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Re: [slim] Album Artist sort

2010-01-23 Thread aubuti

With 7.4.2 as the current beta, 7.5 (either version) should be
considered as alpha software, and not intended for consumption by the
general public. Andy has said clearly, many times, that people should be
testing the embedded branch. Therefore in my opinion all that's needed
is to change the beta/alpha download page in the wiki to point to the
7.5-embedded branch instead of pointing to the 7.5.0 trunk (non-embedded
branch). One could also add a note stating explicitly that the embedded
branch is the one that should be tested.

Unfortunately either I don't have editing rights to that page, or I
just can't figure out how to edit it. If someone can tell me how, or do
it themselves, that would be a public service. As for your questions in
the bug report and in the forums about -how do you know what things to
merge later?-, the devs seem to trust the version control software they
use for SBS development to handle that kind of housekeeping, and I see
no reason to doubt that.

Thanks for the example, and it does highlight how bugzilla can be
clearer about which bugs are resolved for which versions. But 7992 is a
little trickier since it was opened long ago.


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Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?

2010-01-23 Thread snarlydwarf

dsdreamer;509739 Wrote: 
 
 The GPL2 calls for conspicuously and appropriately displaying an
 appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty. Having to dig
 around in the install directory for some text file may not qualify.

Someone should tell the folks at Debian that... since I don't get any
notice of licensing when apt-get installs something.

A 'click this to agree' on downloads is meaningless when you can
navigate to http://downloads.slimdevices.com/ and not get such a thing.


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Re: [slim] Agree to invisible license terms?

2010-01-23 Thread dsdreamer

snarlydwarf;509809 Wrote: 
 Someone should tell the folks at Debian that... since I don't get any
 notice of licensing when apt-get installs something.
 
 A 'click this to agree' on downloads is meaningless when you can
 navigate to http://downloads.slimdevices.com/ and not get such a thing.

I guess it is a fair assumption that if you have root access at a Bash
shell prompt in Debian you already know what GPL is about and what
rights and responsibilities you have under it.  You're in a fully
GNU/Linux environment after all. 

But, you know, I really don't which way it gets fixed -- kill the
stupid button or put a link to the license terms -- either way is fine
with me. 

What looks bad is that the first encounter a new user has with
SqueezeBox Server is being asked to agree to terms he may not see.
Basically, he must work around a Logitech bug before he even gets to
download the software!


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[slim] sb3 can connect pc directly?

2010-01-23 Thread lwnk

Is there a way to connect pc and sb3 directly without any router for
wireless or ethernet?


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Re: [slim] sb3 can connect pc directly?

2010-01-23 Thread eganders

Use an Ethernet crossover cable. In your SB 3 put the computer's IP
address as the gateway address (and the DNS address too, if it needs
one).  Use the same mask in both.


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