Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I had been planning on getting another one anyway so I could add another room synched to my main stereo. I figure as long as I have copies of LMS and Touch firmware, there is no reason a SB system can't work off a Local LMS server for many years. Yes, if MySB goes down, some features will be lost, but at least the multi-room streaming/synching, the random play feature, and general local music library serving features will remain. So as far as serving your local music library, it doesn't look like much will change for many years, as long as the HW doesn't break down. firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Please stop this discussion, none of the people here have any clue what you are talking about. You only have the outside view of it, you have no idea how the profit and solvency for the Squeezebox business looked at the end in Slim Devices and how it looked within Logitech during the period when they shutdown Squeezeboxes. You have no idea why Logitech acquired Slim Devices and you have no idea why Slim Devices decided that it was a good idea to be acquired by Logitech, maybe the alternative was bankruptcy and let the Squeezebox die already 2006, we simply don't know. You have no idea how the Logitech organization works inside, I'm pretty sure it's not the people that manage the Squeezebox unit that made the decision to acquire Slim Devices, this is typically a decision that's taken a lot higher up in the organization. In big organizations a typical problem is that the goal/vision of the top level management doesn't always flow down properly in the organization to people on the floor knows the vision/goal and is able to fulfill the vision/goal. It might be easy to think that the reason one company acquire another is mainly that they like their product and want to take it to the next step, but in many cases there are a lot of other aspects that could be of interest also. I'm not defending what Logitech has done with the Squeezebox, I'm just saying that we have no idea if Logitech and Slim Devices executives still think it was worth the trouble or not, we can't just assume that it's a failure because they decided change the name of the brand after a few years. Also, please realize that it might feel like Logitech has shutdown Squeezeboxes but in reality what they have done is changed the name of the brand and tried to take it to the next step of a journey they believe is the right one. Just look at the hardware of the UE Smart Radio, it's almost exactly the same as a Squeezebox Radio, then take a look at the software/firmware in the UE Smart Radio solution, also that is based on the Squeezebox software/firmware and when taking a look at it, it's also in many parts identical. They have changed a few things and disabled some functionality which they don't think fits in their new strategy, but in many ways it's based on Squeezebox. Do you think Logitech would have been able to release the UE Smart Radio without the acquisition of Logitech, I certainly don't. Without people from Slim Devices they would likely have released another AirPlay speaker or possibly a UPnP player or Reciva chip based radio. To do something like this, a name change is necessary, because it would have been very strange to release a new Squeezebox which isn't compatible with the others. They might also have realize that there is too much geek history in the Squeezebox brand so to be able to reach the mass market they needed to change the name even if Squeezebox brand was established. Now, this doesn't mean I think they've done the right things, I think many of he things they have done during last years including the UE Smart Radio is the wrong move, I'm just saying that there could be reasons for it and one of the reason is probably that many people in this community (including me) no longer is the main target for the UE Smart Radio device. For people who are in the new target group, the move they did with UE Smart Radio might be a big step in the right direction, but we don't know that because we don't have a clue what their long term strategy really is. Finally, this whole thread is a bit silly, Sean/Dean is not to be blamed for what Logitech has done with the Squeezebox, Sean/Dean will not come back and save Squeezebox and even if they wanted to Logitech wouldn't allow them, so let's just stop this discussion here and now and focus on the reality: - Your Squeezebox works exactly as good today as it did last week before the announcement - Your Squeezebox is going to work great also for the next 12 months, probably longer - Due to this there is no reason to worry at the moment, instead look forward to the exiting future where somebody will fill the hole left by Logitech with something which are actively developed. If there is a need and a market, there is a possibility for someone to do business and then this usually happens, it just requires some time. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Benefactor wrote: > I'm just being OCD, and grabbing whatever files I think might be useful > to have archives of later on. > > I have two new Touches I just picked up in the last few days, I haven't > plugged them in yet - but I intend to do so shortly. Yea if you used try a lot beta version it is good to have older versions if something goes wrong, that's mainly why I accumulated a latge collection of firmware versions and server version . You should pick a bunch of server versions to , for the OCD . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > I agree with you generally but the decision to sell to Logtiech hasn't > worked out too well for its customers . I suspect > then Slim's former execs are shocked as to how this all went down the > tubes. Maybe disappointed, but shocked..I don't know. These kind of acquisitions...small innovative start up by large bureaucratic trans national...are more likely to fail than succeed. I've been on both sides several times over the years and frankly, I'm not at all shocked or surprised...just disappointed. jfo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
A lot of touches out there. There might be some $$ in it to keep my squeezebox alive after the last warranty expires. Either by Logitech or someone who aquires the rights. Time will tell. J jmschnur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > > Jeff52 wrote: > > > > > > I never did assert this to any "culpability " of Sean Adams . If you > > look at the post clearly, it was posed in the form of a question , > > wasn't it ? I wanted to hear what some forum members felt about this > > > > Horse hockey but at least you are now backing off your disparaging > innuendo. Jeff52's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=103 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
aubuti wrote: > Ok, if it's really a question then my answer is absolutely not. The SD > guys had every right to sell and are in no ways "culpable" for Logitech > failing to run with it. The idea that they might be guilty parties > strikes me as truly bizarre. I agree with you generally but the decision to sell to Logtiech hasn't worked out too well for its customers . I suspect then Slim's former execs are shocked as to how this all went down the tubes. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Ok, if it's really a question then my answer is absolutely not. The SD guys had every right to sell and are in no ways "culpable" for Logitech failing to run with it. The idea that they might be guilty parties strikes me as truly bizarre. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Jeff52 wrote: > > jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > > > > > > No disagreement by me or anyone else. I'm pleased you are no longer > > asserting this to any "culpability" of Mr. Adams.> > > > I never did assert this to any "culpability " of Sean Adams . If you > look at the post clearly, it was posed in the form of a question , > wasn't it ? I wanted to hear what some forum members felt about this > .Whether its a legit question in the face of the Squeezebox > lines demise. There may some differing opinions that I wanted to hear > . jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
When you are in business, you are not typically there solely for the benefit of the broader world. You may well have an interest in doing good for some segment of that world, but the business is your living. You have to make decisions about what to do with the business from time to time. Most small businesses fail, often because their owners are not able to take the business to the next level, and can't survive the challenges of scaling up. At a certain point, it becomes very sensible to sell out -- to recoup your investment and get out with some profit. I'm sure the Slim people aren't too unhappy. It's quite likely they couldn't have grown the company beyond what they had -- the fact that a relatively successful outfit like Logitech couldn't do so either does not lead to the conclusions that the previous owners made a mistake. On the other hand, you could as easily argue that they took Logitech to the cleaners, knowing that their niche product could never become a mass-market player. As reasonable as all the other (ill-informed) hypotheses out there. r. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] CBC Music - doesn't work via SB but does via PC
castalla wrote: > Seems bizarre - not blocked via PC but locked via mysb.com! > > I still can't find any listings for CBC On Demand ... I did have a conversation with a CBC guy. They have definitely geo-fenced the CBC Music streams ( the 40 odd channels of various music genres), but have not done so for the live radio streams. I was sure that they hadn't geo-genced the Concerts On Demand, these are now being handled in a different way than they used to be. The old OPML files which were distributed a while back don't work any more. I just obtained the URL for the first song of the Kate McGarrigle tribute concert. I can play this from within the SB system, after saving it to favourites, so unless it's geo-fenced it should be available to anyone. the URL is: http://static.music.cbc.ca/v2/concerts/3/3795/tracks/Kiss-And-Say-Goodbye.mp3?r=0.2866975236684084 I have not figured out a way to play the whole concert from a single URL. However, you can create a playlist that can be played in a continuous form, and all the tracks could be added to a single playlist. Interested to find if folks outside of Canada can access this via favorites in SB. Ron R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96261 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > > Jeff52 wrote: > > Yes we do and that has nothing to do with any "culpability" of Sean > > Adams. > > > > Slim devices and it's management did sell the company to Logitech . > > Sadly, it hasn't worked out too well .> > > > No disagreement by me or anyone else. I'm pleased you are no longer > asserting this to any "culpability" of Mr. Adams. Jeff52's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=103 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Jeff52 wrote: > Yes we do and that has nothing to do with any "culpability" of Sean > Adams. > > Slim devices and it's management did sell the company to Logitech . > Sadly, it hasn't worked out too well . jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Yes we do and that has nothing to do with any "culpability" of Sean Adams. Jeff52's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=103 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Jeff52 wrote: > I have no idea whether it was a terrible fit or not, nor do you or I or > anyone else know whether the company would have prospered if not sold to > Logitech. I simply took issue with your reference to "Sean Adams and > culpability" in the context of this discussion. Well we know it didn't "prosper" in Logitech's hands .it died . jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > The point is in hindsight ,the sale of Slim devices to Logitech was a > terrible fit . > > Would you or anyone on this forum disagree with that ? Would a single > top exec from Slim Devices disagree with that ? I have no idea whether it was a terrible fit or not, nor do you or I or anyone else know whether the company would have prospered if not sold to Logitech. I simply took issue with your reference to "Sean Adams and culpability" in the context of this discussion. Jeff52's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=103 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Jeff52 wrote: > So what was your point then? The point is in hindsight ,the sale of Slim devices to Logitech was a terrible fit . Would you or anyone on this forum disagree with that ? Would a single top exec from Slim Devices disagree with that ? jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > Sheesh give me a break .I'm not implying any criminal or immoral > behavior here. > Maybe they thought it was the right fit .Who knows. So what was your point then? Jeff52's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=103 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Jeff52 wrote: > Culpability? Does that not connote some sort of moral blameworthiness as > it relates to criminal or immoral behavior? Sheesh give me a break. Sheesh give me a break .I'm not implying any criminal or immoral behavior here. Maybe they thought it was the right fit .Who knows. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > So based on this assessment,which I believe is completely correct,does > Sean Adams have some culpability in the demise of the Squeezebox by > selling a small niche product to Logitech,a mass market driven company > ,due to the fact is was never a right fit? > > Calling Sean Adams. Culpability? Does that not connote some sort of moral blameworthiness as it relates to criminal or immoral behavior? Sheesh give me a break. Jeff52's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=103 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
bwaldron wrote: > I never believed it was -- which is why I hated to see the Slim Devices > acquisition by Logitech. So based on this assessment,which I believe is completely correct,does Sean Adams have some culpability in the demise of the Squeezebox by selling a small niche product to Logitech,a mass market driven company ,due to the fact is was never a right fit? Calling Sean Adams. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
TheLastMan wrote: > Not really, I doubt Sonos have considered SB to be a much of a threat > since the Touch was released. Sonos have pretty much had the field to > themselves. The reviews for the Touch were stellar over here, but I > have never known such a good product have so little marketing. > > Go into any Currys or decent department store and you will see a > dedicated Sonos display. You never saw a SB Touch and the odd branch > may have had the Radio - randomly stuck in amongst the iPod docks - if > you were lucky. I bought all my kit mail order. Only a few independent > retailers ever stocked the full range. > > What were Logitech thinking? Invest all that money in a brand and then > let it waste away? Appalling management. Whoever was responsible for > that should be shot - or sacked at the very least. i'm in the states so I supect Currys is in Europe or Australia but there has been absolutely no marketing here either.None. But yes there are alot of Sonos displays that I have seen. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
TheLastMan wrote: > With the greatest respect, that is rather a daft statement. Willingness > to invest is one thing, *ability* to invest is entirely another. > If you want to install a whole house audio system made by Sonos, you > need a bit of cash lying around. Most people can afford a couple of iPod > docks though. > > You are right to this extent, what kit people want or need to play their > music the way that suits them has nothing to do with their income. But > their ability to buy that kit certainly does. The fact that your "one > percenter" friends only buy iPod docks is because they don't want or > need anything more expensive. I bet there are few among your "ninety > nine percenter" friends who would love to buy a high end system but > cannot afford to do so. No offense taken, but I really don't see the "daft" aspect of this comment. I'm only referring in my statement to my "one percenter friends" so they all, by definition, have the *ability* to invest in something better than an ipod/dock. When I say I don't see any correlation, I'm only referring to the sample that I've personally dealt with (my friends and acquaintances since the 1960s). That's the "I see" part of my statement. I do agree that there are certainly ninety-nine percenters that would like better audio systems (and houses, cars, TVs, health care, education for their kids, etc.) that don't have the ability to purchase what they would otherwise prefer, given no wealth constraints. That said, when I was a poor graduate student, the most valuable assets I owned (including auto) were related to my stereo, speakers, and turntable. I did without many things to have better than average audio. But I also fully understand that being a poor graduate student is not the same as being a poor person in general (I was consuming better audio products while poor but in the context of a "current low income person" with prospects of much higher income. Anyhow, I think we're agreeing on the point I was making (i.e., that there are many people that want only a very basic music playback system, even in situations where they are not particularly constrained). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > > What a coup for Sonos this is gonna be. > Not really, I doubt Sonos have considered SB to be a much of a threat since the Touch was released. Sonos have pretty much had the field to themselves. The reviews for the Touch were stellar over here, but I have never known such a good product have so little marketing. Go into any Currys or decent department store and you will see a dedicated Sonos display. You never saw a SB Touch and the odd branch may have had the Radio - randomly stuck in amongst the iPod docks - if you were lucky. I bought all my kit mail order. Only a few independent retailers ever stocked the full range. What were Logitech thinking? Invest all that money in a brand and then let it waste away? Appalling management. Whoever was responsible for that should be shot - or sacked at the very least. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
garym wrote: > All of my "iphone/ipod stuck in a speaker doc" friends are easily > "one-percenters". I don't see any correlation between income/wealth and > willingness to invest in quality audio (either now, the 1980s, or the > 1960s for that matter). With the greatest respect, that is rather a daft statement. Willingness to invest is one thing, *ability* to invest is entirely another. If you want to install a whole house audio system made by Sonos, you need a bit of cash lying around. Most people can afford a couple of iPod docks though. You are right to this extent, what kit people want or need to play their music the way that suits them has nothing to do with their income. But their ability to buy that kit certainly does. The fact that your "one percenter" friends only buy iPod docks is because they don't want or need anything more expensive. I bet there are few among your "ninety nine percenter" friends who would love to buy a high end system but cannot afford to do so. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
I would not trust Logitech to do anything more then they think is legally required with mysqueezebox. That means the warranty of the last large volume of Squeezeboxes will determine how long mysqueezebox will last . A year or two is my guess. Since my office only uses mysqueezebox as we hae no computers only tablets,we have already bought a Sonos Connect attached to a Benchmark Dac that only I control .LOL .I'm the owner,after all but I do take requests. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Benefactor wrote: > I'm just being OCD, and grabbing whatever files I think might be useful > to have archives of later on. > :) Code: #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w # SliMP3 Server Copyright (C) 2001 Sean Adams, Slim Devices Inc. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
It certainly is a minefield out there. I stumbled upon the NAD C 446 streamer, thinking if Anyine could get it right, NAD could. Great press reviews, the user reviews tell a different story: http://nadelectronics.com/user-reviews/822 Ironic that when researching alternatives one is often sent right back to SB ;-) snoogly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9155 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] CBC Music - doesn't work via SB but does via PC
bpa wrote: > If SB is connected to mysb.com then I think it been broken for a while > due to geo ip locking. > > See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94353-CBC-app-broken Seems bizarre - not blocked via PC but locked via mysb.com! I still can't find any listings for CBC On Demand ... castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96261 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] CBC Music - doesn't work via SB but does via PC
If SB is connected to mysb.com then I think it been broken for a while due to geo ip locking. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94353-CBC-app-broken bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96261 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I plan on using my SLIM DEVICES TRANSPORTER for as long as long as it is operational.I have a spare that is rarely used to replace this one .The Transporters will run LMS for as long as the devices are operational for my local library which is about 600 GB's and climbing. I have bought a Sonos Connect,with the coaxial output attached to the Transporter's digital input for inside my house and the optical output to my Benchmark dacs optical input for my enclosed porch area. Sonos has alot more music services anyway and that's all it will be used for . I hope I'm set for a long long time but should any of the posters here like Erland decide to come up with a Squeezebox replacement ,I will buy that too. Maybe Phil Leigh is working on a device? I really miss his very wise advice considering I have zero technical knowledge about these devices. I just know they sound damn good. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] CBC Music - doesn't work via SB but does via PC
Ah, that might be different. The old OPML list doesn't work, but you might be able to see the URL from a regular computer stream. I thought I had done this but can't replicate just now. The channels work though. Ron RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96261 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
rbz5416 wrote: > Just an case anyone -is- thinking of buying a "hifi" streamer, be aware > that many don't support gapless playback. Exactly. One concern with DLNA is that gapless playback is optional, not required. Support for gapless is needed in both the server and renderer for gapless playback to work. Some really interesting threads in the JRiver forum and elsewhere can be found by googling SetNextAVTransportURI Linn has their own gapless implementation outside of DLNA. They claim the DLNA implementation of gapless is badly flawed. There's all kinds of vague information floating around, including links to an Intel document that supposedly recommends against implementing SetNextAVTransportURI() (required for gapless). But the links to this document are all dead, so I don't know what's up. The discussions in the J-River forum involve AndrewFG (Whitebear developer), so they may be of interest to some here. andy_c's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3128 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
JJZolx wrote: > Yes. > > But doesn't your server have access to the internet? If so, it should > download the correct firmware files and you should be automatically > prompted on the Touch to begin the upgrade. I'm just being OCD, and grabbing whatever files I think might be useful to have archives of later on. I have two new Touches I just picked up in the last few days, I haven't plugged them in yet - but I intend to do so shortly. Benefactor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25904 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
I was upgrading my car stereo yesterday, and the guy showed me a new receiver (house not car) that was networked into the shop network. You could see music folders on computers, and play the files. Including playlists. Don't know limitations, but was certainly a way to access a library. Did not require a server. Worked just like a car stereo playing files from a USB flash drive. Ron RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Benefactor wrote: > So you would want the file version that is in the folder that matches > the version of LMS that you are currently running on your host computer? Yes. But doesn't your server have access to the internet? If so, it should download the correct firmware files and you should be automatically prompted on the Touch to begin the upgrade. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] CBC Music - doesn't work via SB but does via PC
Hmmm? I'm trying to find the CBC On Demand stuff - particularly Concerts. Any ideas? castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96261 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] CBC Music - doesn't work via SB but does via PC
Works for me, just checked. Not all of the channels are up on the Internet Radio national networks list, but the most recent set aren't there yet (e.g. Canadian Roots),and the CBC folks are blaming Logitech. But most work fine if you have a Canadian IP address. My work computer is networked through our US operation, and supplies a US IP address, and I can't get these channels through either SB or straight internet, although things like live radio and concerts work fine. Ron RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96261 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
JJZolx wrote: > They should be the same. So you would want the file version that is in the folder that matches the version of LMS that you are currently running on your host computer? (sorry if that is a dumb and/or overly obvious question) Benefactor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25904 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Benefactor wrote: > Any guess what the difference between fab4.bin, and fab4x.x.x r.bin > is? They should be the same. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Mnyb wrote: > I download copies here . > > http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/ > > Touch is called Fab4 in the firmware files and Radio is called Baby Any guess what the difference between fab4.bin, and fab4x.x.x r.bin is? Benefactor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25904 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] CBC Music - doesn't work via SB but does via PC
Crazy Forbidden via SB but loud and clear on PC. Why? castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96261 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
jimzak wrote: > The Media Core 600 component goes for £6000 :) He exactly , a thing soolos got rigth is an optional very large Touch screen (larger than any pad i seen ), wonder if should pass my Meridian delar and ask if it does gapless Wonder if you really need the media core component in every install there are "simpler" options although also a very expensive, the system is a complex, but you in this price range the dealer is expected to present a solution and setup the thing for you . it is however easy to use . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Likewise. I'm more than happy to contribute financially to keep SB maintenance going, if not new development. I'm a software engineer professionally, so I'd also be willing to contribute that way as well, if someone else is organizing things -- Mitch!!! http://blog.mitcharf.com/ "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work; I want to achieve immortality through not dying." - Woody Allen On Aug 30, 2012, at 7:05 AM, garym wrote: > > erland wrote: >> >> Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee >> if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using >> your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? >> I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody >> else will do it for free on longer terms, it's just too much work to >> keep it working with the latest streaming services and you need to add >> support for new streaming services when they arrive for the platform to >> be attractive as one or more new streaming services tends to appear on >> the market every year. Logitech won't do this even if we pay for it, but >> there might be third parties that are interested in doing it. > > I would definitely pay a one-time or annual fee for future squeezebox > related services. This would include helping (financially) to maintain a > squeezebox community forum on the web. > > > > garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 > > ___ > discuss mailing list > discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Just an case anyone -is- thinking of buying a "hifi" streamer, be aware that many don't support gapless playback. rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SqueezeCommander and Tasker
Hello, I searched the web and can not find solution. I set the Tasker to open SqueezeCommander when the phone is connected to home WIFI. What I want to achieve is SqueezeCommander to play a specific radio station from my favorites list when connected to home WIFI and turn off Boom when disconnected from Home WIFI. Is this possible and if yes how to set the Tasker up? Thank you for answers and tips BR. Matt. telacc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37427 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96260 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Mnyb wrote: > A better link to the complete soolos offerings . > > http://www.meridian-audio.com/sooloos/the-components.php The Media Core 600 component goes for £6000 :) jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
chenrikson wrote: > IIRC a company called "Grace" has a wide range of internet players, tho > I know nothing about the quality. > > Craig You're going to encounter the mysteries of Reciva taking this route! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
TheLastMan wrote: > It must be because most of the people I mix with are a lot richer than > me! > The guys who bought the Sonos systems all like their toys. > All of my "iphone/ipod stuck in a speaker doc" friends are easily "one-percenters". I don't see any correlation between income/wealth and willingness to invest in quality audio (either now, the 1980s, or the 1960s for that matter). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Which is more future-proof: SB3 or Touch
I have a specific requirement - to run the PowerSwitchII plugin to control the power amps. So yesterday I snapped up an SB3 on eBay for 90 quid as a backup for my Transporter. If the TP ever dies, the SB3 will replace it, partnered with a suitable DAC that has balanced outputs. All of my so-called hi-res stuff is downsampled to 48kHz/24bit anyway, so I have no need for 96kHz capability. So that's one reason why the Touch isn't necessarily the best option (quite apart from the fact that it costs significantly more). cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96237 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Mnyb wrote: > I know only one person irl that have either , me ? Never seen a live > Sonos system and actually never anyone elses Squeezebox system either . > I'm rudimentary sociable and able to make friends ;) so it is not that > I'm an isolated geek that only know 1 person irl. It must be because most of the people I mix with are a lot richer than me! The guys who bought the Sonos systems all like their toys. I started it all with the SB duet with two Receivers, kitchen and living room. We held a party where I synced the two which impressed a friend. He is very well off and not at all tech savvy so I recommended Sonos. He got a professional to install a whole house system with wall and ceiling mounted speakers in living room, kitchen, bathroom (!) and main bedroom. Each room had its own controller. I shudder to think how much it all cost. I referred the second guy to the first, and he installed a less comprehensive system for his kitchen and living room. The next two Sonos families, both friends of the first guy, use the little standalone "boom box" Play:3 and Play:5. I would describe none of them either as true music lovers or in any way geeky. They just use the systems for background music and parties. To them, "hi-fi" was an '80s rack system and "s last millennium". TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
IIRC a company called "Grace" has a wide range of internet players, tho I know nothing about the quality. Craig chenrikson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Mnyb wrote: > I know only one person irl that have either , me ? Never seen a live > Sonos system and actually never anyone elses Squeezebox system either . > > I'm rudimentary sociable and able to make friends ;) so it is not that > I'm an isolated geek that only know 1 person irl. I know one other person that has a squeezebox that was not a recommendation from me (she had it installed by a professional "whole house" audio installerruns on mysb.com only, feeds a small T-AMP hidden in a cabinet, feeding ceiling speakers. My friend actually thinks the controller is the only hardware since she doesn't "see" the other stuff. The other handful of SB users I know have them because I recommended. But of that set, only my brother uses his own music. The others use pandora, mog, radio paradise, etc. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
The Cocktail Audio x10 gets good reviews and user feedback - rubbish name, 'though. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
toby10 wrote: > Very rarely do I see Sonos in use, I think I've come across two in my > travels. But a I've seen many Sonos systems at retail stores, US and > abroad. I know only one person irl that have either , me ? Never seen a live Sonos system and actually never anyone elses Squeezebox system either . I'm rudimentary sociable and able to make friends ;) so it is not that I'm an isolated geek that only know 1 person irl. Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
A better link to the complete soolos offerings . http://www.meridian-audio.com/sooloos/the-components.php Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
jimzak wrote: > I got the cue to search for this from another related thread: > > Linn DS players > http://www.linn.co.uk/systems/all-products/linn-ds > > I'm sure they are not cheap. looking at akurate ds, klimax ds, sneaky ds, etc. it is hard to find a price online with a quick look, but one will spend several thousand pounds up to maybe 8,000 pound sterling. And you'll be using upnp/Dlna with some additional software (kinsky), that at its best pales in comparison with LMS.Makes the Touch look even more of a bargain. http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/Kinsky garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
We are in no hurry to replace our systems yet , I expect to use years to contemplate the issue . And my replacement would be some product not yet existing for natural reasons . The current situation is very similar to what it was when i opted for squeezeboxes in 2006 sans squeezeboxes :-/ The situation is not only that the current products compare like apples and oranges ? it is like you desperately settle for any kind of fruit but your only offered dirt or sand as options . Or choosing between cars that only go left or right , the situation is currently impossible I'll sit on it a couple off years and will continue to enjoy my squeezeboxes in the meantime . I'ts sad to think that Logitech incompetence killed a truly unique product line that really has no equal in the current market ? It's stupendous they have a complete niche in the market for themselves with actually no one offering something similar (with the exception of soolos ,but they are priced silly ) and yet they fail ? I will watch the tread if someone finds anything similar I expect it to take time . As I'm Hi-Fi interested I will sometimes read the sales info from various brands and share of something comes up, but I have little faith in Hi-Fi engineering they simply lack the right kind of imagination and system approach they often miss the big picture . The Meridian Soolos brand has a system approach as given by this product http://www.meridian-audio.com/sooloos/mc600.php But the pricing is very very silly nothing you cant do with a HP microserver and a box of Touch units , wait thats what i have :) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Squeezeslave: 1.2 released
benno wrote: > When the squeezeplaying hangs, I could still play stuff directly with > "aplay" and the same ALSA-destination used in squeezeslave. > > This is related to the used hardware, the USB-amps just accept this > rate... > > Is there a way to debug this? aplay doesn't manipulate the ALSA driver like portaudio does, so this is not a fair test. Have you modified squeezeslave to open the device at the 46875 sample rate? That's more than the 1% currently defined. Have you built squeezeslave from the latest trunk on the hardware you're using? If not, I'd suggest starting there. Also search all the past squeezeslave release support threads as this has been discussed at length in the past. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93607 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
I got the cue to search for this from another related thread: Linn DS players http://www.linn.co.uk/systems/all-products/linn-ds I'm sure they are not cheap. jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Squeezeslave: 1.2 released
DareVanReed wrote: > i'm not sure what changed internally in the code between the two > versions, but everything seems to be ok now for me, so i'm happy. > > thanks again for the brilliant little daemon, ralphy. > I've replaced the portaudio calls to Pa_AbortStream with Pa_StopStream for the STOP state in r366 ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93607 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
toby10 wrote: > Very rarely do I see Sonos in use, I think I've come across two in my > travels. But a I've seen many Sonos systems at retail stores, US and > abroad. agree. I only know one person that has a sonos. Almost everyone I know is an "ipod/iphone" in a speaker doc person. My friends that are obsessive about music like me are primarily in the "I listen to albums one at a time" and they spent many years fighting the "vinyl albums are so much better than CDs" phobia. They are now very much into their very large CD collections but not digital files. One friend has just now started creating some m4a versions for his iphone to use while travelling. When I try to explain, "rip once, rip right, use dbpa to create FLAC, be systematic with tagging, then create lossy versions for your phone/ipod anytime you want" his eyes just glaze over He'll get there eventually. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > Would you consider Sonos to be a mass market music player ? Nope. bwaldron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
epoch1970 wrote: > I often wondered about this. So you say the SBs are rarely spotted. Do > you see many Sonos systems (in absolute terms) ? Very rarely do I see Sonos in use, I think I've come across two in my travels. But a I've seen many Sonos systems at retail stores, US and abroad. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
TheLastMan wrote: > I think you will quickly find that most people will move on. For 99% of > buyers music streaming does not have to be as complicated as Squeezebox > made it.Agreed. jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > Yeah I attached my iPhone to a Bluetooth speaker once and I heard more > boings > from emails,text messages and other notifications then music .:) reminds me > of my HTPC days epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
My next system will be the replacement Touch I just ordered in case my current one dies. ;) I don't use any online services, don't even do multi-room syncing; just play my local library. The only features I use are new music and random. I reckon I've got years before I need to worry about a replacement. :) Rangdo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5238 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
epoch1970 wrote: > Thanks. > > I've seen that too. Yeah I attached my iPhone to a Bluetooth speaker once and I heard more boings from emails,text messages and other notifications then music . jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
epoch1970 wrote: > Because the slim protocol does work pretty damn well. I for one will not > regress to DLNA or this kind of nonsense. Maybe future versions of > airplay or the elusive android@home protocols will be able to supersede > it. I haven't lost hope that Logitech will develop the UE setup sufficiently to replace the core SB functionality (which is all *I* personally require). It is after all based on the LMS server software and the new Radio is clearly SB hardware. Sure, if you want SB with all the bells and whistles then I wish you good luck keeping the system alive. I think you will quickly find that most people will move on. For 99% of buyers music streaming does not have to be as complicated as Squeezebox made it. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Thanks. TheLastMan wrote: > Last time we went to a BBQ there he showed off his new Bluetooth "radio" > thingy which was happily playing music from the iPhone in his pocket. I've seen that too. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
epoch1970 wrote: > I often wondered about this. So you say the SBs are rarely spotted. Do > you see many Sonos systems (in absolute terms) ? I have four friends with Sonos and two who bought Squeezebox. Two bought the Sonos on my recommendation (I was having a hard time with SB at the time) and the other two after they saw the first two's systems. The two SB owners are fellow computer geeks who bought after seeing my system, but not on my recommendation. My only comment was "caveat emptor"! One bought a Duet the other a Touch. None of the Sonos owners are tech minded, all wanted easy plug and play and two got them professionally installed. All four are very satisfied with their systems, three have extended them, all still use them and all are now using iPads as controllers. The SB Touch owner bought a Naim steamer for his hi-fi (he has an otherwise fully Naim hi-fi) and relegated the SB to his study. He never bought another SB device after the Touch. The Duet owner ditched the system altogether and now uses iPod docks which fit better with his wife and three daughters needs. The whole family all have either iPhones or iPod touches and have independent music collections held on laptops. Last time we went to a BBQ there he showed off his new Bluetooth "radio" thingy which was happily playing music from the iPhone in his pocket. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
TheLastMan wrote: > Why? "Squeezebox" will be a dead system. Because the slim protocol does work pretty damn well. I for one will not regress do DLNA or this kind of nonsense. Maybe future versions of airplay or the elusive android@home protocols will be able to supersede it. But given the niche status we seem to agree on, I don't believe progress will be lightning fast. > I like the idea of plugins, but would prefer an Apple App or Android / > Google Play way of doing it with only "approved" Apps / plugins making > it through. There are factory standard plugins, there are "approved" plugins. I've never seen any hint of privacy issue with any plugin. Plugin quality and support is fine. Why do you think more "control" would help? The Duet, I was in that boat too. Its poor initial (and final, IMHO) performance was 100% due to Logi, not to 3rd party devs. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
mdconnelly wrote: > While I'm not about to dump my Squeezeboxen anytime soon, one product > that I'm curious about is the AudioEngine D2. I'm not clear if you can > bypass the D2 Receiver's DAC to use your own, but the concept of a D2 > Sender working with up to 3 D2 Receivers is intriguing. Might be worth > checking out... http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Audioengine-D2. Yes, the receiver does have digital out. What I'd like is a less expensive unit that does away with the DAC. That might get the price down to a reasonable level. saeyedoc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
mrfantasy wrote: > ... the important thing is maintaining the Slim protocol and ensuring > new servers and clients can be developed to it. > --MikeWhy? "Squeezebox" will be a dead system. Other systems will come along to replace and supersede it, maybe not immediately but within a couple of years somebody (maybe even Logitech) will realise it is possible to do audio a lot better and cheaper than Sonos. In time they will do it better and cheaper than Squeezebox too. Personally I had a love-hate relationship with Squeezebox. The early days of the Duet were dire, with one catastrophic sever software update making the system unusable for about 3 months until they produced a fixed one. I think the setup and web config pages are too geeky and over-complicated for 99% of users who simply aren't interested. I like the idea of plugins, but would prefer an Apple App or Android / Google Play way of doing it with only "approved" Apps / plugins making it through. With some care and attention to their market the UE line has the potential to carry on where SB left off - but in a more "consumer friendly" way that would make the whole system more attractive to the mass market and more sustainable in the long term. They will have to produce a proper "hi-fi" player like the Touch though - with analogue stereo and digital outputs - otherwise I will look elsewhere for any replacement. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
jimzak wrote: > . Anyway Google DNP720AE Looks like a decent unit. But at $499 and such a large size I'd much prefer a SB Touch with it's additional digital out, SD card, touch screen, server access (I don't use iTunes nor do I own an Apple device), and for $200 less. But then, I am a bit biased. :) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
toby10 wrote: > No, but probably the closest thing there is too that. Think about it, > how many people do you know that have a Sonos? Or anything remotely > close to it (like SB)? > The only people I know (and I'm in many peoples homes/apartments) that > have a SB are those I introduced to SB. Even then, very small number. I often wondered about this. So you say the SBs are rarely spotted. Do you see many Sonos systems (in absolute terms) ? epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
toby10 wrote: > No, but probably the closest thing there is too that. Think about it, > how many people do you know that have a Sonos? Or anything remotely > close to it (like SB)? > The only people I know (and I'm in many peoples homes/apartments) that > have a SB are those I introduced to SB. Even then, very small number. Yeah come to think of it I know of noone that has my Squeezebox setup . So why would Logitech buy Slim Devices ? What were they thinking as they are a mass market company buying a small niche business ? jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
> Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why? It is not dead yet, just has been told it has only two years to live and that it won't be able to have any more children! Two years is a long time in technology, not only will new products come along but Logitech have time to develop and improve the UE lineup and there is always Sonos. I doubt I will buy a streaming solution from one of the "hi-fi" manufacturers, these are generally grossly overpriced, although I might buy a DAC for whatever solution I do eventually choose if it has a digital output. "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > Would you consider Sonos to be a mass market music player ? No, but probably the closest thing there is too that. Think about it, how many people do you know that have a Sonos? Or anything remotely close to it (like SB)? The only people I know (and I'm in many peoples homes/apartments) that have a SB are those I introduced to SB. Even then, very small number. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Well isn't Sonos a mass market item ? jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
mrfantasy wrote: > Let's be realistic, people. The idea of a dedicated music player is not > a mass-market item anymore I never believed it was -- which is why I hated to see the Slim Devices acquisition by Logitech. bwaldron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
While I'm not about to dump my Squeezeboxen anytime soon, one product that I'm curious about is the AudioEngine D2. I'm not clear if you can bypass the D2 Receiver's DAC to use your own, but the concept of a D2 Sender working with up to 3 D2 Receivers is intriguing. Might be worth checking out... http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Audioengine-D2. mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Mnyb wrote: > > As for controll on iSomething or Andriod what would be good ? > The Kinsky iOS app from Linn is the best UPnP/DLNA controller I've seen, no idea if it works with the Denon hardware, often there seems to be a bit incompatibilities between UPnP devices from different manufacturers. Kinsky is not as good as iPeng but it's a lot better than many of the other UPnP controllers available IMHO. http://oss.linn.co.uk/trac/wiki/DownloadKinsky erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
jimzak wrote: > Denon's entry looks good: > > http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=StreamingMedia(DenonNA)&PId=DNP720AE(DenonNA) DLNA wonder what server you should choose for that , migth influence the actual experience of it a bit . You could use LMS + whitebear if on windows ... or something else . As for controll on iSomething or Andriod what would be good ? As predicted by Erland I think multiroom sync is not there at all, and it has a 24/96 DAC but specs are sketchy about file support at thoose rates "FLAC" could mean anything . But price is not to much , but not the most appealing option . Anuthyng out there that supports multichannel flac and has hdmi out ? Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Here are 77 pages of music players, most of which are not applicable to our situation, but interesting: http://www.techfresh.net/tech-gadgets/music-players/ jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
jimzak wrote: > Addendum: I don't understand why this URL does not work because when I > go to the product page via Google, this is the URL. > > Anyway Google DNP720AE > > ?! It's caused by forum software skipping the last ) in the url, the correct URL is: http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=StreamingMedia(DenonNA)&PId=DNP720AE(DenonNA) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
toby10 wrote: > Denon url is dead. Addendum: I don't understand why this URL does not work because when I go to the product page via Google, this is the URL. Anyway Google DNP720AE ?! jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
i will continue to use my SB products, which have given such enjoyment over the years my next system already sits alongside my digital brethren.the mighty Linn Sondek LP12 I considered purchasing Linn's digital offerings years ago, but they were in an early stage of development and couldn't match SqueezeServer's abilities. i may HAVE to re-consider one day..hm dennis dennis55's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8884 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Denon url is dead. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Denon's entry looks good: http://usa.denon.com/us/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=StreamingMedia(DenonNA)&PId=DNP720AE(DenonNA) jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
I do not care about open/closed source unless it is properly supported. There are many open source projects that it is just a facade and a mechanism to not doing any kind of proper support and commitment. Open source projects frequently lack any kind of roadmap and what's actually assures you in the continuation of the project is the community of users and availability of developers. michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
I looked into both Olive and MusicCast before coming to SB. Both systems were: - closed source - limited features - almost no customization - very limited offered services / subscriptions - minimal codec support - big, clunky, ugly boxes (worse than Sonos ;)) - no "players" to utilize the main units library/services (I think MusicCast did eventually add these later, before dropping the whole line) - both were WAY overpriced Olive is essentially an overpriced VortexBox with fewer features. MusicCast is so closed source you couldn't even backup your library without "special" software from Yamaha. To simply upgrade the MusicCast HDD required sending the entire unit to a Yamaha service center (or an unauthorized third party) to again run special Yamaha proprietary software to transfer the HDD data to another HDD. This service cost hundreds (not including the cost of the HDD itself) and took weeks. Yamaha would only allow "their" HDD's be used, which were off the shelf HDD's that Yamaha marked up over 100% above mfr list price. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Labarum wrote: > That's all I need to know - thanks. > > My Squeezeboxes will work for a good few years yet, I hope. If I see > second hand stuff at the right price I might be tempted to buy some > spares - but didn't the Boom go up in price after being discontinued? That happened to receivers too until they released Touch, there is still a demand for the product . And boom is still not really replaced by anything else radio does not really cover all the stuff boom could do. For example backlight buttons and a real snooze button, makes a superior clock radio . But squeezeboxes seem to fall between the cracks it sells more than a typical niche hifi product but to little to be a mass market thing ? Peculiar , that's may be why Logitech actually runned with for such a long time ? Never managing to take it beyond a very large niche , maybe one of the more widespread cult/niche products ever ? So I think there are enough squeezebox fans to absorbe most used units at fairly good prices Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What a time to launch a new SqueezeBox based product.
A think a few other companies make similar products too. Do they have some sort of licensing deal with Logitech? I wonder if companies like this could actually help keep the SB alive in some way? autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96231 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] No more radio streaming on SB Classic after network reconfiguration
Thanks to all for numerous and quick responses. I finally got it working, even though I"m still unsure what exactly caused the problem. I first replaced my WRT54GL router with an old crappy Zyxel and forced the SB Classic back to factory settings (holding + while powering off and on). Everything suddenly worked normally, i.e., connection to LMS and to the outside world (mysb.com and radio streams) at the same time. Then I powered down the SB Classic again, put back in my WRT54GL, saved its configuration, restored it to default router settings, restored it to the saved configuration, forced the SB Classic back to factory settings, and voila, everything worked normally. My guess is that either the WRT54GL or the SB Classic caches some network or routing tables in a way that is hard to flush. Anyway, everything works now, so I'm happy. :-) gdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96218 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What a time to launch a new SqueezeBox based product.
I am sure they are feeling really happy at the moment. Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96231 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What a time to launch a new SqueezeBox based product.
Ouch. autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96231 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Triode wrote: > I think its premature to be panicking about this - I will definitely be > expecting to maintain support for my BBCiPlayer and Spotify plugins to > work with my ip3k based transporter and other players + touch (or > emulators..). If Logi does pull the plug then I see a community fork of > LMS for stand alone server operation as viable. It won't be able to > install new firmware, but then it needs something to break to need new > firmware anyway... That's all I need to know - thanks. My Squeezeboxes will work for a good few years yet, I hope. If I see second hand stuff at the right price I might be tempted to buy some spares - but didn't the Boom go up in price after being discontinued? Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
garym wrote: > I would definitely pay a one-time or annual fee for future squeezebox > related services. This would include helping (financially) to maintain a > squeezebox community forum on the web. callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Mnyb wrote: > We need to fix the My apps menu to work without mysqueezebox.com . > > I have two local " apps" , triodes spotify and mhergers bandcamp , these > are local plugins but their UI resides in my apps . > > If the conection with mysb.com breaks I have observed that this menu is > totally empty ? No local apps ? > You can via a setting make triodes spotify appear in the radio meny ? I > think . > Plugins can also be rewritten to avoid putting them in the myapps menu... That was only done to try to make them match the UI of the rest of the system in many cases. I think its premature to be panicking about this - I will definitely be expecting to maintain support for my BBCiPlayer and Spotify plugins to work with my ip3k based transporter and other players + touch (or emulators..). If Logi does pull the plug then I see a community fork of LMS for stand alone server operation as viable. It won't be able to install new firmware, but then it needs something to break to need new firmware anyway... Whether Logi wish to continue support of 3rd party stuff working with their new product(s) is another thing though. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Hi guys If there is any assistance I can provide drop me a line through my website. I dont plan on going anywhere and will continue to support my plugins for the foreseeable future :) Cheers cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
