Re: [slim] iPhone/iPad APP always requires log in?!?!

2012-10-26 Thread pippin

ecalcott wrote: 
> 
> but, for my friends passing around the ipad to add songs, ipeng would
> add the whole album from rhapsody instead of the one chosen song.
> 
That was actually a design decision by Logitech. If you used iPeng the
same way as the Logi App (adding through the context menu) it did not
happen.

Tried it right now and I'm surprised it looks like it works correctly in
iPeng now, maybe Logitech changed the design.
> 
> i'll let you know about 2.0  thanks.
> 
2.0 is iPhone only, not iPad, iPad is still the old design.
> 
> so...what's this then about ipeng party i just saw...
It's a free party App that came out almost a year ago. It does
everything that will not destroy your current playlist.



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Re: [slim] iPhone/iPad APP always requires log in?!?!

2012-10-26 Thread ecalcott

pippin wrote: 
> What was the problem with iPeng? Have you tried 2.0?

i will try 2.0.
Honestly, the interface didn't seem so friendly.  for my friends passing
around the ipad to add songs, ipeng would add the whole album from
rhapsody instead of the one chosen song.  i havent used it in a while
because the logitech app was basic and worked - maybe ipeng is better
now.
i'll let you know about 2.0  thanks.



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Re: [slim] Sonos TV ad

2012-10-26 Thread jimzak

get.amped wrote: 
> As long as Sonos has such ridiculous limitations on the number of tracks
> in its database and the type and length of metatags, it will be continue
> to be practically worthless for any serious music collector (basically
> 5,000+ album titles). A dealbreaker before even getting into any of the
> technical/performance considerations.

I concur completely.

Every time I fire up the Android app and look at all the possibilities I
have with SB, I shed a little tear.



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread garym

Mnyb wrote: 
> In flac files you can have more than one of each tag so multiple genre
> tags should be possible .
> 
> And I also have Xmas music as a genre that I can exclude for random play
> , unless it is Xmas .

Yep, I do a bit of this too, but not for live concerts. Though I might
reconsider that now that I think of it. With other genres I sometimes
add a second genre that helps with certain searching (eg certain venues
where I've seen acts, and I also do this with Christmas tunes)



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread Mnyb

In flac files you can have more than one of each tag so multiple genre
tags should be possible .

And I also have Xmas music as a genre that I can exclude for random play
, unless it is Xmas .



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread SlimChances

I guess the world is passing me by. Neither my wife nor I have ever had
a cell phone or tablet. Personally the thought of constantly being
available, which I think is the curse of the cell phone, repels me. I
like technology but I like to leave it at home when I go out. The
thought of texting people, receiving calls from telemarketers or other
unwanted calls far outweighs the value of these devices for me.
My wife has on occasion suggested dropping our internet service and it
is tempting but perhaps not practical



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Re: [slim] Earlier Squeezecentre release that supports multiple music folders?

2012-10-26 Thread itm

aubuti wrote: 
> How are you specifying the shortcuts, and what OS / type of share do you
> have running on the network shares?

I'm creating the shortcuts from Windows Explorer - right click in the
folder then "New Shortcut". One of the shares is on a NAS (Netgear NV+).
The other is on a Windows 7 desktop.



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Re: [slim] Earlier Squeezecentre release that supports multiple music folders?

2012-10-26 Thread aubuti

How are you specifying the shortcuts, and what OS / type of share do you
have running on the network shares?



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Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!

2012-10-26 Thread pippin

05mattjax wrote: 
> 
> Can we toggle between prior ipeng releases? If I can I might just instal
> latest old release to see if I miss it!

If you have a backup of the old version, you can delete the new one,
drag the old one back into iTunes and sync it to the device.
That's the only way.

I thought about making the title disappear, too, but figured more people
would want to keep the text around and having two different toggle modes
would probably add too much UI complexity.



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Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!

2012-10-26 Thread 05mattjax

pippin wrote: 
> As garym stated: you can pinch to zoom the artwork but on pre-iPhone-5
> devices it will them be overlaid by the text.
> If you look at the screen closely you will notice that making the text
> "smaller" won't help, the only option that allows to show the artwork in
> full width without an overlay would be to either entirely remove the
> text or the controls at the bottom of the screen or to do a small text
> and completely remove the player-selection tab. None of these things I
> will do.
> Like everything in life, this is a compromise...
> 
> On Lyrics: I don't think options to disable functionality are a good
> thing to do so I won't disable the lyrics screen unless I have anything
> else to show there, can't use the swipe gesture for anything else anyway
> without adding more confusion.
> I also really believe that accidentally going to that page is a
> transitional issue because people are now used to swiping right to get
> to the player screen. That will go away, I'm sure. For example, I did
> learn the changed scrolling direction on the Mac pretty fast although I
> still have one pre-Lion device that scrolls the old way.

Thanks for reply. I found the pinch option shortly after posting. As I
don't have an iPhone 5 there's a compromise for me. When you tap the
screen the track time bar appears at the bottom. It would be cool if the
text at the top would appear/disappear same time as the time bar - that
would help when artwork is maximised. I take on board you won't be
changing anything in that regard but just a thought I'd like to share.

Can we toggle between prior ipeng releases? If I can I might just instal
latest old release to see if I miss it!



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread garym

dasmueller wrote: 
> And thus you avoid the chatter that often comes at the beginning or end
> of a track and also the intro tracks ?

Mostly I just prefer to listen to entire concerts if thats what im
interested in (and not hear any of these tracks when doing any random
song playlists).



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Re: [slim] Earlier Squeezecentre release that supports multiple music folders?

2012-10-26 Thread itm

garym wrote: 
> Have you tried 7.7.2 (regular windows install rather than windows server
> version). Not sure but seems with some versions of windows server this
> is needed. 
> 
> 7.7.2 has been extremely stable for me on win 7 machine and Linux
> machine.

Yes it's v7.7.2 that's been unstable for me. I miss the reliability and
the search performance of the older versions, but I can't work out how
to get the scan to recognise files in shortcuts to network shares



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread dasmueller

And thus you avoid the chatter that often comes at the beginning or end
of a track and also the intro tracks ?



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Re: [slim] Earlier Squeezecentre release that supports multiple music folders?

2012-10-26 Thread garym

Have you tried 7.7.2 (regular windows install rather than windows server
version). Not sure but seems with some versions of windows server this
is needed. 

7.7.2 has been extremely stable for me on win 7 machine and Linux
machine.



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Re: [slim] Sonos TV ad

2012-10-26 Thread get.amped

As long as Sonos has such ridiculous limitations on the number of tracks
in its database and the type and length of metatags, it will be continue
to be practically worthless for any serious music collector (basically
5,000+ album titles). A dealbreaker before even getting into any of the
technical/performance considerations.



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread garym

dasmueller wrote: 
> For Live Concert I put the location and date  and sometimes the venue in
> the album field. Then I know it's a live show. How do you use the Live
> Concert genre tag gary ?

My album name is date and venue, that is:  1969-12-26 - SMU McFarlin
Auditorium

Then I put live concert as genre. This way I can keep my live concert
shows out of any random playlists using genres and dynamic playlists.
And I have many hundreds of live concerts. 

Note for officially released live albums (allman bros at Fillmore) I'd
put rock/pop as genre.



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Re: [slim] Earlier Squeezecentre release that supports multiple music folders?

2012-10-26 Thread itm

Oh that's a shame as I remember 7.7.1 being pretty unstable on my server
as well. I'm sure there were earlier releases which were able to handle
folders which simply contained shortcuts to network shares. Or maybe
there was another trick to getting this to work. Does anyone
know/remember??



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread dasmueller

For Live Concert I put the location and date  and sometimes the venue.
Then I know it's a live show. How do you use the Live Concert genre tag
gary ?



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Re: [slim] Earlier Squeezecentre release that supports multiple music folders?

2012-10-26 Thread erland

itm wrote: 
> I have decided to revert to an older version of Squeezecentre Server, as
> the latest LMS release is frequently crashing on my Window 2008 Server.
> I need to find an older, stable version that supports the use of more
> than one Music folder (on separate network shares). I've tried 7.2,
> 7.3.4 and 7.5.4 and all three only support a single music folder. I
> tried creating a local folder, containing shortcuts to the various
> network shares, but when I run a scan it doesn't find anything.
> Can anyone direct me to an older, stable release that supports multiple
> music folders?
> 
I believe support for multiple folders was added in the 7.7 release



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[slim] Earlier Squeezecentre release that supports multiple music folders?

2012-10-26 Thread itm

I have decided to revert to an older version of Squeezecentre Server, as
the latest LMS release is frequently crashing on my Window 2008 Server.
I need to find an older, stable version that supports the use of more
than one Music folder (on separate network shares). I've tried 7.2,
7.3.4 and 7.5.4 and all three only support a single music folder. I
tried creating a local folder, containing shortcuts to the various
network shares, but when I run a scan it doesn't find anything.
Can anyone direct me to an older, stable release that supports multiple
music folders?



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread garym

RonM wrote: 
> I sometimes edit tags and sometimes don't.  As a result I have something
> like 150 different tags applied to my music.  Totally useless.
> 
> What I'd like would be to use maybe 6 different tags, and fit all my
> music into that so I had some way of doing a preliminary sort, but I can
> never figure out what those should be.  And with MANY albums, it's
> unlikely I'll ever sort it out.
> 
> R.

I Mostly use

Rock/Pop
Blues
Country
Folk
Latin
Jazz
Vocal Jazz
Opera
Classical
World
Spoken Word
Live Concert

I used to try to have finer categories for rock and pop but too many
albums that fell within or across genres. And I have very little
classical.



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread RonM

I sometimes edit tags and sometimes don't.  As a result I have something
like 150 different tags applied to my music.  Totally useless.

What I'd like would be to use maybe 6 different tags, and fit all my
music into that so I had some way of doing a preliminary sort, but I can
never figure out what those should be.  And with MANY albums, it's
unlikely I'll ever sort it out.

R.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread andynormancx

TheLastMan wrote: 
> 
> The phone is a Sony Xperia Tipo which cost £80 + £10 for a 32GB microSD
> card bringing the total cost to around a 1/3 that of a new 32GB iPod
> Touch and only 2/3 of a 16GB Nano! In the face of the competition how
> Apple can justify those prices beats me.

Well for a start the Sony has a relatively poor 320x480 screen, that is
FIVE times less pixels than the iPod touch screen. The Touch (and the
iPhone 5) has what is probably the best quality screen on any mobile
device at the moment (better than the iPad 3 even).

The Sony is over TWICE as thick as the iPod touch and weighs slightly
more.

The Sony is made of plastic, the iPod is somewhat better built.

The iPod has a pretty good camera, including flash. The Sony, not so
much.

The iPod's CPU is over twice the speed of the Sony's.

The battery life on the iPod is the same as the Sony, despite the far
better screen and CPU.

The Sony is indeed a bargain, but there -are- reasons it is much cheaper
than the iPod (beyond purely Apple's higher profit margins).

When it comes down to it the iPod touch isn't really competing with the
Sony. People who want a 32GB MP3 player/Internet device are mostly going
to go and consider the iPod touch first, it is going to occur to very
few "normal" people to go and buy an £80 Android phone and stick 32GB of
microSD in it, most people wouldn't even know that is possible.

Don't be mislead by the relative speed of you old iPod touch to the
Sony, the current iPod touch is much faster that even the 4th gen one.



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[slim] Jogging Online In Defective Streets And Gone By Lanes

2012-10-26 Thread rileycollinslv

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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread froth

Well to each his / her own to say the least.  I for one will not move to
anything if it does not support a good base for syncs.  In my house we
use syncronization lots and a phone with music player is not going to
get me there without some other technology supporting it.  I have 5
rooms in my house with slim / logi products and control them with iPeng
and browser clients.  Not long ago my child came to me and asked if she
could have a boom for her bedroom or something else tied into our music
system.  She had amplified speakers that she plugged into her cell phone
which for a time she thought was the best.   I did a bit of relocation
of items and gave her one of my booms which she loves but agreed that
when she upgrades her phone to a iPhone I will get her iPeng with
playback and she can then go back to her amped speakers.  This way she
gets the best for her which is her own libary of music to take with her
and access to over 16,000+ tracks in our music library.  And yes, she
will even be able to sync with iPeng if she wants.



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread dasmueller

I suggest you develop a system for tagging-what fields you are going to
use and how you enter data, and try to keep to it as much as possible.
You might want to have a record to refer to. Helps to be a bit anal
about it. I have been at this for about 2.5 yrs and still find issues
that need fixing.

Also make sure you have a backup of your library and update it
periodically as well.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread aubuti

adhawkins wrote: 
> My Controller appears to be the same. Sits in the cradle and works fine,
> as
> soon as you take it out, it switches off.
> 
> Could be the battery failed I guess.
That's a very good guess. I'm not sure where you are, but replacement
batteries are available from Amazon in the US for about $10.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread erland

TheLastMan wrote: 
> In fact in terms of "features" (plug-ins etc) the competition are not
> even half-way there, and likely never will be as most, like AirPlay and
> Sonos, are closed proprietary protocols.
> 
As long as we are talking about the currently known competitors I tend
to agree, they are all stuck in their respective principles and business
models and are unlikely to provide something similar as we have with the
Squeezebox, this also applies to Logitech. However, there might be
others, who haven't yet shown their intentions to the public, but we
will have to wait and see what happens...
If there are users who want something and are willing to pay for it,
it's pretty common that someone eventually provides a solution to
satisfy the need.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread Andy Hawkins
Hi,

In article ,
   ModelCitizen wrote:
> Both of my Controllers are bricks. Won't charge. I've changed the
> batteries but they just run out and never recharge. The bases are OK and
> so are the devices. The connections between them make. It's baffling.

My Controller appears to be the same. Sits in the cradle and works fine, as
soon as you take it out, it switches off.

Could be the battery failed I guess.

Andy

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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread kidstypike

ModelCitizen wrote: 
> 
> 
> Orange Squeeze on the Nexus 7 tablet provides the best experience but
> lacks some higher level features (e.g sync), 

If you touch the tiny white triangle against one of the players, a
context menu should appear, with the option to sync players.


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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread bhaagensen

Future proof consumer electronics investments are perhaps best thought
of as a lottery - it happens that they pay dividends as well as not.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread ModelCitizen

One of the Controllers was from the beta program so I think it's
probably not supposed to work now. The other one was always frustrating
(dropped signal, slow scrolling, badly executed UI) so I don't really
miss them!

Orange Squeeze on the Nexus 7 tablet provides the best experience but
lacks some higher level features (e.g sync), but as I only use very
infrequently (e.g sync) this doesn't trouble me and If i need one I open
the free Logitech app instead.

It's taken me by surprise just how clunky, heavy and overlarge iPads
seem after using a 7" tablet for only a short while. BTW. here was a
Groupon offer for a 7" Gemini tablet with latest Android OS yesterday at
£59. Incredible.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread TheLastMan

ModelCitizen wrote: 
> Both of my Controllers are bricks. Won't charge. I've changed the
> batteries but they just run out and never recharge. The bases are OK and
> so are the devices. The connections between them make. It's baffling.
That's a shame. When I drop mine into its dock the screen brightens and
it makes a small beep to indicate it has made a connection and is
charging.  I presume yours don't?

Sounds like some wiring has come adrift internally that links the
charging connections on the base with the battery.  Odd that it should
happen on both units, not heard of that before.

I have heard of Controllers where the base charging contacts do not
properly contact those on the Controller itself, as I am sure you have
too as you say the connections are OK.  I am sure you will have pursued
the "bit of paper stuffed down the back" fix or the "get them to send
you a new base" fix.

Mine has been a pretty robust unit given all the abuse heaped on it by
the family.  Food covered hands have been the biggest hazard, along with
red wine (my fault), blu-tack (my youngest thought it would be better
wall mounted) and guinea pig wee (don't ask).  

I bought a spare battery but have not needed it yet and,  luckily,
somebody told me early on to set the screen saver to "off" as the screen
darkens over time if used to display pretty patterns, the news, a clock
or whatever.

Just before they announced SB was to be discontinued Superfi were
selling Controllers off at £60.  A bargain compared to the RRP so I
bought one as a backup. If, as seems likely, we all end up with
smartphones it will probably just gather dust. Probably not one of my
wisest purchases!



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread garym

aubuti wrote: 
> When it comes to tags, and especially genres, pedantic is in the eye of
> the beholder.
> 
> My advice is not to let WMP, or any other software, select your genres
> for you. Ignore whatever prefab lists of genres that WMP, Winamp,
> iTunes, and the rest of them have. 
> 
> *You* take control of the genres, and classify things things the way you
> want and tag them that way with mp3tag. If you've changed the tags in
> mp3tag and WMP refuses to recognize the changes, that's another reason
> to dump WMP.

Agree, I'd say that the automatically offered GENRE from metadata
databases is not what I personally want 90% of the time. When ripping my
CDs to FLAC with dbpoweramp, I typically change the Genre before
ripping. And with already ripped albums (where perhaps I change my
mind), I use mp3tag to change GENRE.



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread Apesbrain

While your files are in Mp3tag, highlight them and press "ALT+T" to
display "Extended Tags".  You may see those files have another
"genre-like" tag uniquely written and displayed by WMP that is
superceding your edits.  (This should cease to be a problem if you stop
using WMP.)

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd757917(v=vs.85).aspx



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread dasmueller

+1 on what Aubuti says. You should control your tags not the software. 

One tool I used when 1st setting up my library was to use Squeezeplay on
my PC. I could look at things such as an album showing 2x or a genre tag
I had not assigned. I found many issues there which I fixed to make my
library appear more correctly and how I wanted it to. It's an ongoing
process because we being human are imperfect.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread ModelCitizen

Yes, I mean it's a lovely touch screen fixed in place by the wires to
the amp/speakers which seems inconvenient/unnecessary when you've got
use to controlling all elements of your music systems via a
phone/handheld.  Obviously a different case than a Boom or a Radio which
are combined player/controllers and tend to be nearfield (i.e. radio by
bed)... mind you, I still often use the phone or a tablet to control the
radio two feet from my head as the UIs are much better thought out than
the Logitech ones, and the tablet screen especially, easier to see.



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread aubuti

Bowler wrote: 
> I will try WinAmp.   One of the annoying things ir the genre lists in
> the various taggers don't really match up with the one used by WMP
> '''For instance,  there is a "Piano Jazz" in WMP but nowhere else, it
> seems.
> 
> Another gripe I've got is this: I have a number of CD's by jazz pianist
> Dave McKenna.   WMP has classified some of these as "Piano Jazz" and
> others as "Jazz".   Why should this be?  And there doesn't seem to be
> any way I can force a change.   Perhaps I'm being too pedantic !!
When it comes to tags, and especially genres, pedantic is in the eye of
the beholder.

My advice is not to let WMP, or any other software, select your genres
for you. Ignore whatever prefab lists of genres that WMP, Winamp,
iTunes, and the rest of them have. 

*You* take control of the genres, and classify things things the way you
want and tag them that way with mp3tag. If you've changed the tags in
mp3tag and WMP refuses to recognize the changes, that's another reason
to dump WMP.



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread dasmueller

You might want to check for extended tags as well. Right click in
MP3Tag.



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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...

2012-10-26 Thread pippin

It's both the player and the server who have to support it.
The server generates replay gain values which then have to be used by
the player.
I can only speak for iPeng but I believe it will be similar for
SqueezePlayer: there are two ways to control volume on a phone player:
you can modify the actual audio data (that's what the Squeezebox does
and where the replay gain values usually come in) and you can change the
devices' system volume.
Now, the problem is, that what you want to do on a phone is to use the
system volume. There are three reasons:
1. When in a dock, some docks them can use analog volume control so you
gain some quality. Some phones also might do the actual volume control
in the analog domain.
2. The system volume has hard-wired control through buttons and the
phone UI. You can't turn that off (at least on iOS), so if you do not
use it, you end up using TWO volume controls that multiply in effect and
you effectively lost capabilities as remote volume control 
3. Doing your own volume leveling in the digital domain will increase
the CPU load and power consumption.

There are ways to get around it, but it's work.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread TheLastMan

ModelCitizen wrote: 
> Well I'm 52.  :-)
> ...and the Touch is just a bit of a white elephant (makes a nice clock
> though).
Not sure what you mean by that.  Are you saying that you no longer use
it as a streamer? Or just that just the screen is superfluous?

If my amplifier and speakers are static there is no need for the
"player" to be mobile or in a dock. In fact, with my kids, probably
better that it is wired in and can't be used for games or facebook.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread ModelCitizen

Both of my Controllers are bricks. Won't charge. I've changed the
batteries but they just run out and never recharge. The bases are OK and
so are the devices. The connections between them make. It's baffling.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread TheLastMan

ModelCitizen wrote: 
> Well I'm 52.  :-)
Ah, but obviously young at heart!
(so am I by the way)

> I've had iPhones for a few years now, and also have a Google Nexus 7. My
> wife (whose phone I borrow as and when) has an HTC desire and son an
> iPod.
> We use iPeng on the Apple devices (although the latest update has
> confused us and is very flaky on my 3GS) and Orange Squeeze/Logitech App
> on the Androids. They all work supremely well as controllers (really
> knock the spots off *all* the Logitech hardware devices in terms of
> usability and ui design) and the iDevices work well as players (with
> disparate docking stations).
> 
> My favourite is the Google Nexus with Orange Squeeze (and Squeeze
> Player), as the now playing screen looks so good, the app is so
> straightforward and fast and the Nexus 7 a useful all round device for
> having around the house (perfect screen size for aging eyes, fits in
> cargo pant pockets).
> 
> I run one server and have multiple wireless repeaters so the wireless
> signal stretches over a couple of acres (to garage, workshop, barby area
> and pond).
> 
> Having looked at the iPhone 5 I suspect that the (expensive) iPhone
> series is past its sell by date. With the Nexus 7 Google finally managed
> to get their Android OS to iOS standard (and in many ways I now prefer
> it).
> 
> So for me, it'll be Android phone and tablets as controllers and to a
> smaller degree as players from now on. and when I've finally
> finished off my house and re-bought some Naim audio stuff I'll resurrect
> the Squeezebox Plus.
> 
> Still like the Radio, Boom and Classic though but no time for the Duet
> (and certainly not the hideous Controller) and the Touch is just a bit
> of a white elephant (makes a nice clock though).
A lot of expensive high-tech stuff there. Your 52 years have obviously
been more lucrative than mine.

I think you are a bit mean to the controller - it was quite cool in its
day and would have been "bleeding edge tech" if it had come out a year
or so earlier.  However it was launched just after the first iPhone and
iPod Touch so was very quickly outshone by them when used with iPeng. 
Its biggest problem was not its looks but its reliability - which was a
disaster to begin with.

Ours is still ugly, and the wheel is impossible if text searching, but
it is now reliable and fine when picking music if no text entry is
required.  It is still used more than my iPod Touch with iPeng in our
house simply because the iPod Touch has usually been snaffled by some
kid and is nowhere to be found.  The Controller, because it has no other
use, can always be found in its dock. I will use my phone as a
controller, but my wife has had the app on hers for about a year now and
I often find her with the phone in one hand and the Controller in the
other.

You can lead a horse to water...



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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...

2012-10-26 Thread callesoroe

Mick Seymour wrote: 
> Do the tracks have replay gain data in them? LMS can only use it if the
> information is there. It isn't something the player does AFAIK.

Yes and it works fine when I am playing with my receivers or
transporter. So it is a "player" issue.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread TheLastMan

bhaagensen wrote: 
> Yes, I think I'm with you. Though I think you are overlooking one
> important aspect the Squeezebox-brand [had...]. 
> 
> Namely a unique status as a high-fidelity, high-quality, feature rich
> (almost "complete"), very reasonably priced streaming solution. 
> [snip]
> As I said I dont think any other brand had such a good standing. Its all
> shattered and laying on the floor now though

Yes, all absolutely true.  In fact in terms of "features" (plug-ins etc)
the competition are not even half-way there, and likely never will be as
most, like AirPlay and Sonos, are closed proprietary protocols.

Unfortunately not enough people are sophisticated, like wot you am and I
is, and aren't prepared to invest the time and effort into a SB system
in order to get the best out of it.  Most people just want to choose
music and press the play button.  Still, as long as the LMS server is
running on my NAS and my two Receivers hold out then I will stick with
it for my static streamers.

They made a few mistakes though, the Duet being the biggest one as it
was such a bast@ard to set up and was buggy as hell until about the
fifth firmware upgrade.  Set up properly using net-UDAP mine have been
super-reliable for over three years now, but I could easily have binned
them in anger lots of times before that.



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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...

2012-10-26 Thread garym

TheLastMan wrote: 
> When the file is encoded replay gain (RG) data has to be added for the
> system to work.  I use dBPoweramp with the RG "plug-in" when ripping
> CDs.  The player can then either interpret the RG data in the file and
> apply it - or ignore it. However it is up to the player whether it is
> used or not, so in that sense it is something the player "does".
> 
> I have it set up to work with playlists but not when listening to an
> album.  That is an option you can set in LMS.

Yes, the RG is in the tags (to be used or not by player).  dbpa can add
after the fact ("convert" to RG DSP), or foobar2000 has an excellent RG
utility for adding ALBUM and TRACK RG info to the tags.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread ModelCitizen

Well I'm 52.  :-)

I've had iPhones for a few years now, and also have a Google Nexus 7. My
wife (whose phone I borrow as and when) has an HTC desire and son an
iPod.
We use iPeng on the Apple devices (although the latest update has
confused us and is very flaky on my 3GS) and Orange Squeeze/Logitech App
on the Androids. They all work supremely well as controllers (really
knock the spots off *all* the Logitech hardware devices in terms of
usability and ui design) and the iDevices work well as players (with
disparate docking stations).

My favourite is the Google Nexus with Orange Squeeze, as the now playing
screen looks so good, the app is so straightforward and fast and the
Nexus 7 a useful all round device for having around the house (perfect
screen size for aging eyes, fits in cargo pant pockets).

I run one server and have multiple wireless repeaters so the wireless
signal stretches over a couple of acres (to garage, workshop, barby area
and pond).

Having looked at the iPhone I suspect that the (expensive) iPhone series
is past its sell by date. With the Nexus 7 Google finally managed to get
their Android OS to iOS standard (and in many ways I now prefer it).

So for me, it'll be Android phone and tablets as controllers and to a
smaller degree as players from now on. and when I've finally
finished off my house and re-bought some Naim audio stuff I'll resurrect
the Squeezebox Plus.

Still like the Radio, Boom and Classic though but no time for the Duet
(and certainly not the hideous Controller) and the Touch is just a bit
of a white elephant (makes a nice clock though).



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Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Music-Playback now on ANDROID! SqueezePlayer released to the market ...

2012-10-26 Thread TheLastMan

Mick Seymour wrote: 
> Do the tracks have replay gain data in them? LMS can only use it if the
> information is there. It isn't something the player does AFAIK.
When the file is encoded replay gain (RG) data has to be added for the
system to work.  I use dBPoweramp with the RG "plug-in" when ripping
CDs.  The player can then either interpret the RG data in the file and
apply it - or ignore it. However it is up to the player whether it is
used or not, so in that sense it is something the player "does".

I have it set up to work with playlists but not when listening to an
album.  That is an option you can set in LMS.



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread bhaagensen

Yes, I think I'm with you. Though I think you are overlooking one
important aspect the Squeezebox-brand [had...]. 

Namely a unique status as a high-fidelity, high-quality, feature rich
(almost "complete"), very reasonably priced streaming solution. Even
with todays plethora of offerings, the competition isn't quite there
yet. Some such as Naim, Linn and the big high-fi names are much more
expensive, mainstream high-fi is not there yet as far as features and
quality, Sonos is still "low-res", etc. 

Squeezebox have (had) its foot solidly planted in the music/tech/high-fi
communities - people where using Touches as sources in major $$$ systems
and *everyone* agreed that they where that good - or one would at least,
as the saying goes in high-fi, "have to spend major $$$ to achieve
better". 

The Boom/Radio where, for many, nice system-completing additions for
streaming to the toilet and such places. 

As I said I dont think any other brand had such a good standing. Its all
shattered and laying on the floor now though



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread simbo

The lack of Napster/Spotify on non-SB devices has been the only barrier
to me following a similar path. I don't use them much, but I want to
have the RIGHT to, goddamit!



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread TheLastMan

bhaagensen wrote: 
> Oh, and several other things such that your home is left without a
> music-system when your phone=you is not available for music-playback :)
> 
> Also Im not reading you clear when you on one hand say you understand
> Logitech for leaving a product one can get for free, and on the other
> hand say that there *is* a market (for Sonos and such) to take
> over?
> 

Sure, it is not a replacement for a streamed music system - just makes
it difficult to justify buying more Squeezeboxes, particularly the
mobile ones like the Boom or Radio.

There will always be a place for a static streamer but SB has more
competition these days from Apple AirPlay and DLNA as well as Sonos.
Also, if you want to pay too much money, there are plenty of "hi-fi"
streamers out there. Some, like Linn, even offer multi-room sync. In
that environment you can the Squeezebox market share gradually being
eaten into.

You also forget that in most modern homes there is more than one
smartphone.  My wife has one and my daughter is angling for one.  My
eldest son would love one but he would spend every hour of the day
playing games on it.  I already have to hide the iPod Touch!

ModelCitizen wrote: 
> Smart phone and/or tablet = controller and/or player  and has done for a
> long time now
> 
> Does it ever worry you that you are so far behind? :D
Its my age you know, we oldies are slower on the uptake...

I was on a two year phone contract and didn't really bother looking
around until it was coming to an end. 

My wife has a 2 year old HTC Wildfire Android phone, but that obviously
was not mine to play with!  She is also rather less interested in the
tech than me.  She wanted an iPhone, because all her friends have them,
but decided it was too expensive and went with the "poor man's iPhone"
as she calls it.  She just uses it for calls, text, e-mail and calendar
duties. She didn't even possess a pair of headphones before I bought her
some last week!

AFAIK it has only been possible to use an Android phone as "player"
since May 2011 when Bluegaspode launched his little app. But I suppose
18 months is an absolute age in technology these days.



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Re: [slim] Windows Media Player !! problem

2012-10-26 Thread toby10

WMP does not recognize your MP3Tag edits for genre?



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread ModelCitizen

Smart phone and/or tablet = controller and/or player  and has done for a
long time now

Does it ever worry you that you are so far behind?



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread bhaagensen

Also Im not reading you clear when you on one hand say you understand
Logitech for leaving a product one can get for free, and on the other
hand say that there *is* a market (for Sonos and such) to take over?



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Re: [slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread bhaagensen

Oh, and several other things such that your home is left without a
music-system when your phone=you is not available for music-playback :)



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[slim] Moving on...

2012-10-26 Thread TheLastMan

Just got a glimpse of the future, and it is phone shaped.

I have been a bit late to the smartphone market. I have an old 2nd
generation iPod Touch but it was a bit sluggish with apps so did not
really go far down that route.

My cell phone contract came up for renewal and I needed to economise so
ditched my 3 year old Nokia and expensive contract and bought the
cheapest Android ICS phone I could find on a £10.50 "sim only" monthly
tariff  which has twice the "minutes" of my old contract, unlimited
texts and 500MB data for 2/3 of the monthly cost of my old contract.

The phone is a Sony Xperia Tipo which cost £80 + £10 for a 32GB microSD
card bringing the total cost to around a 1/3 that of a new 32GB iPod
Touch and only 2/3 of a 16GB Nano! In the face of the competition how
Apple can justify those prices beats me.

The screen of the Tipo is quite small but is very slick. Apps are
noticeably quicker to respond than my old iPod and although a bit fiddly
I am getting used to typing - landscape mode helps. But wow! how things
have moved on...

The phone side is so much more capable than the Nokia, with all my
e-mail and texts in one place, all my contacts stored in the Google
cloud (and backed up of course) and a shared calendar with my wife (life
saver!). This gives me all the old PDA functions with knobs on - and
automatically synced between phone and PC.

On the apps side my requirement is for a mainly audio stuff so I have
already installed Spotify, Squeeze Player, Squeeze Commander, official
Squeezebox app, Last.fm, PodTrapper, BBC iPlayer and TrackID - not to
mention converting about 70% of my music to 120kbps VBA MP3 and dropping
it onto the SD card which only half fills it, leaving room for photos
and video.  I even have access to my full music collection on my NAS
from anywhere with a mobile or wi-fi signal using a handy Synology app.

Installed a few games to play while I listen to the music too.

And of course there is the maps and GPS and I have added a compass app
(which has come in handy already!).

..oh and there is a camera of course.

The crunch bit for Logitech is that with the Squeezebox app and Squeeze
Player I now have a free Squeezebox - and if I bought a bluetooth
speaker it would not be much different from a SB Radio. 

I am beginning to understand now how Logitech might have felt it was not
worth making any more SB hardware if you can effectively get it all for
free on your phone.  In fact I am surprised they even bothered with the
UE Radio.

The one thing this does not do, of course, is hi-fi quality reproduction
and reliable multi-room synch.  There is still a place for a SB Touch /
Receiver type device - which is where, unfortunately, Sonos are now
going to take over. Ho hum.



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Re: [slim] iPeng, your iPhone Squeezebox Remote, gets even better with version 2.0!

2012-10-26 Thread gorman

Pippin, I definitely support the idea that iPeng is worth the price you
ask for it. Even with new Euro prices. The amount of work you put into
it so far is staggering.



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Re: [slim] LMS will not detect new songs...

2012-10-26 Thread reinholdk

Is there anything in the scanner log file?

I assume your folder for the new songs is a subfolder of your "root"
music folder configured in LMS.

Is there anything special in the folder path to the new songs? You could
copy the new songs to a new dedicated folder and enter that path in
addition to your other path(s) to the LMS configuration.



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Re: [slim] LMS will not detect new songs...

2012-10-26 Thread Mnyb

pablolie wrote: 
> So I have a sizeable library (over 30k songs), but for the first time,
> LMS will not include new songs (MP3s) I got. They don't show up under
> "New Music", and if I manually navigate to the folder, it will declare
> it "empty"... despite the fact the siongs are there. "Clear and Rescan"
> doesn't do the trick... any suggestions?

Permissions you are running the server on linux so check the file an
folder permissions for the new songs . LMS is probably not allowed to
read hence " empty "



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