Re: [slim] What if Logitech pulls the plug
Sorry to get away from the UPnP / DLNA discussion but. If Logitech was to pull the plug on mysqueezebox.com, I'm guessing there's enough programming talent and motivation in the community that a workable solution to mysqueezebox.com would become a reality pretty quickly if push came to shove. Who knows where it might go from there I've seen it happen in smaller communities already. The geeks will find a solution, we always do. What a great platform. I can't believe after all these years, there still isn't really anything that touches the flexibility of these boxes in allowing me to listen to what I want, how I want. 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95603 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Second hand squeezebox Boom
Call support - don't email. Phone support is friendly and can take care of the problem quickly for you. I've done it myself on several players. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76453 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shoutcast favorites keep breaking
I've had good luck finding streams on Shoutcast I like then googling to find their website, where I can usually find their direct URL, then input that into my favorites manually. No more broken faves for me. Stupid shoutcast Pandora favorites work great - never break, at least in my experience -- even with their free acct. Rhapsody favorites work great too. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80061 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech 30 Day Trial - Any Way to Get Them to Honour It?
I think there are many many with similar opinions (the silent majority). Count me with you. I have 7 squeezeboxen at my house of various flavors they all work most excellently, I rarely ever have any issues with them at all when I do it almost always can be traced down to something on my server or network going on (like when the wife uploads a batch of pictures and consumes all my upstream bandwidth). I also have about 4 devices at another location that work practically flawlessly as well. Good server, solid network, and good network hardware are the key in my opinion. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=79742 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rhapsody Radio
Pandora (free = limited to 40 hours per month) Are you sure about that? I listen to a *LOT* of Pandora and have never bumped up against any limits. The only limit I ever hit is an 8hr continuous listening limit, at which time you just have to verify you're still alive by clicking play again. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71989 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Seriously p*****d off! (rant)
If you don't like change, then don't change stuff (i.e. install new software). Personally, 7.4 went very smoothly for me.While I may not care too much for the my names -- the my apps folder structure is VASTLY superior to the old way that hid shoutcast three selections deep and the seemingly redundant menu areas. Now, all the services I use are in one spot and are one menu level away from home -- Excellent! It took me about 30 sec to figure out what My Apps was for - didn't seem all that complicated. Seems much easier for a new (and experienced) user to find what they are looking for more quickly and with less frustration. In fact, internet radio could probably be grouped successfully under my apps to further clean up the home menu. FWIW, I started with my slim devices a couple years ago. The software's functionality and features are much better than they were when I started.I don't feel at all that it's become bloated - in fact, the restructuring of the menu system eliminated bloat if anything. I don't like change for the sake of change and I don't personally think that's what's going on here. I can see clear reasons for many of the changes in the new software and after just a minor amount of getting used to, the system is as much a pleasure to use as ever. Perhaps we should have two software releases --- one stupid simple that rarely changes and has only a few commonly used features - for Joe Sixpack.The other as it is today for those of us who can appreciate the features, flexibility, and power of the current system, without getting confused or frustrated by it. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71431 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 7.4 not happy - gone back to 7.3
Also every time that the DUET controller restarts I would get a message saying I have just upgraded to 7.4 and have to click on Continue. I restarted it about 10 times - still the same message every time. Were you connected to a SB2 or SB3 that requires you hold down the brightness button in order to update the firmware? I have several different devices on my network and found that with the upgrade to 7.4 if I booted up and connected to one of my SB3's that I had not yet upgraded the firmware on I would get this message on the SBC - as if I were standing there looking at it's VFD. On 7.4 I experience timeouts and clicks and gaps in the music and loss of audio all the time for 100ms or so. Every few seconds during playback, including some rebuffering messages. I get some audio anomalies occasionally while playing back on the SBC with 7.4.No biggie though, especially since it is clear they're working on this functionality (which is still in beta) --- now I can listen to Pandora and Rhapsody (one or the other of which didn't work at all before). It's just a matter of time before playback on the SBC works well - I'm willing to wait. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68971 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech is messing up Squeezebox
I hadn't seen the animation on my own, thanks to FlashBlock. Same here - I was a bit confused when I saw the first post complaining about it! While I don't care too much for the animation, I don't so much mind all the recent changes in the software - if nothing else it keeps the product interesting for me, anyway.I like everything about the My Apps change save the name - which I can deal with. It puts pretty much all the services I use in one, easy to nav spot which is a big improvement over the way it was presented in 7.3.3 There will be some things to work out as time moves forward, but I've been using SC since 6.5 and I believe we have come a long ways since then - and for what I do, the system was fully functional for me then - it's just better now. I am still very happy with my purchases - they do everything I want and more. The family enjoys them and doesn't mind the occasional change in software either. Everything that makes the SB line great is still there - it may be shuffled around a bit, but you'll get used to it once you do, if it were suddenly set back to the way it was, chances are the same people would be complaining - human nature. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68654 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best of Luck - moving on...
My setup is rock solid and has been so since I started with SS 6.5. Tip. Dedicated server. MIMO AP. My setup has also been very solid with only minor issues that are easy to diagnose and resolve --- in fact, I have two locations, one with 7 devices (including 2 booms, a Duet, a couple SB3's, an SB2, etc), the other location has a Boom and a Duet. I've had one Duet since they became publicly available and have never had any significant trouble out of it. The other is newer and haven't had trouble out of it either. The oldest unit is used for hours at a time on a daily basis has been since day 1. It spends the vast majority of it's time streaming pandora and shoutcast. I do have a solid network at both locations and am running decent server hardware --- even XP, which many claim is far less stable than *nix. I would really like to analyze some of the setups that are claiming to have so much trouble. My initial feeling is that the vast majority of the time it could be tracked down to network and or server problems... In my opinion, one of the greatest advantages to the slim system is it's flexibility. Unfortunately, that same flexibility also affords the end user the ability to screw it up in an infinite number of ways. FWIW, even with a total of 10 devices between my two locations (all wireless), very seldom do I ever have to do more than turn a unit on in order to make it work. If you are having re-buffering issues you MOST LIKELY have network problems. It's time to whip out the testing tools or find someone who can. I have one player that has had recurring rebuffering problems - Not a single one of my other players does, ever.The player in question is connected to a wireless bridge in a shop bldg that had to pass through a metal wall in order to connect to the main AP in the other building. Signal quality was low, but worked fine for most computer work (i.e. web browsing, vpn, etc).Monitoring of the network, and checking the SB buffer display confirmed what was going on.I improved the wireless connection by relocating the antenna to a much more advantageous location and all problems were solved - not a single rebuffer since. This isn't rocket science or witchcraft - with a little testing and analysis you can see EXACTLY what is going on with these devices and the network. Although there are a few bugs here and there in some of the software features, the core software and streaming capabilities are very stable and have been for a long time. Pretty much all connectivity, flakiness, and rebuffering problems can be narrowed down to network and/or server issues - by equipment, installation, and configuration provided by the end user himself. JMHO and experience -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67040 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rebuffering is ruining the Squeezebox experience
Chances are extremely high that it is a problem with your network or your internet connection if you are streaming in a music service or internet radio --- not running the latest version of code. If it were a fundamental software problem related to streaming, it would be a widespread, catastrophic issue for everyone the forum would be flooded with angry users. Have you done any network bandwidth testing or anything else in attempt to isolate the issue? If it's your network, internet connection, or the station you're listening to, you have a couple options. Fix your network. If the device you're streaming to is wireless, wire it and see if the situation improves. If it does, you're dealing with a wireless issue. FLAC streams at a MUCH higher bitrate than lossy formats like MP3. If you are having trouble with FLAC, chances are *HIGHLY* likely you have a network problem. FLAC will exacerbate any underlying network problems - however, even FLAC should stream fine if you don't have network issues. Switch internet providers or get a faster service. Just because you can successfully browse the web on your internet or network connection, doesn't mean you=re not dropping packets, experiencing high latency, or running at a lower rate than the audio you're trying to stream. If all else fails, you can increase the buffer for internet radio stations. Personally, I've found that the Squeezebox line streams very reliably. I have about seven devices at my house and about three at my parent's house, all wireless. Both systems always running the latest release software. The devices never rebuffer, even when streaming from the internet for hours at a time, with the occasional exception of one of my SB3 devices. The problem with that device is that it's connected in another building via wireless bridge with a directional antenna that has to blow through a metal building to connect back to the mothership. The signal quality is very low (barely enough to even make a connection) and the connection is unreliable - in reality, it's amazing the SB3 works as well as it does under these conditions and streams well most of the time. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65719 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rebuffering is ruining the Squeezebox experience
I've been streaming all day on 7.3.3 - Rhapsody no less, in my shop, across the wireless bridge where it is barely connected at all (rain can drop the connection completely - luckily today is very nice). Streaming for around nine hours now as I work - rebuffer free... Check your network :) Kidding aside, you can go into settings and under your selected player, go to Now Playing and set the display to Show Buffer Fullness. FWIW, in streaming Rhapsody here at the shop (on the bad connection) it buffers about 131 seconds within a few seconds of starting the song and stays there (within a couple tenths of a second) until it counts down to the end of the song. Streaming Radio Paradise (internet radio) it buffers a couple seconds and stays there (again fluctuating a couple tenths). Streaming local FLAC files, it will actually buffer 100% of the next song before it even starts. It stays solid at 100% until it counts down to the next. In the song that I watched closely, I had about 39 seconds buffer with a FLAC file. With 39 seconds you can take quite a disruption before you should ever see a rebuffer message. Have a look and it may help you determine the cause of your issues. You may be able to determine if your network is struggling all the time, or just at certain times, maybe helping you isolate the source of the trouble as well. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65719 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My personal thoughts on Squeezebox concept.
Mine ran great from the beginning, over a year ago - and it get's used daily. I recently bought a 2nd that I've set up at my parent's house. Both continue to perform as expected, with very rare and minor issues (certainly no more issues than any other wireless device at either location). To the original poster. Logic would seem to suggest that if your previous software version was working great and 7.3.3 has caused you some sort of issue, and considering the fact that no one forced you to upgrade, perhaps you should migrate back to the sw version that you were happy with. FWIW, the transition to 7.3.3 for me has been trouble free. My two duets and other devices continue to work very well. From what I understand, 7.3.3 has solved a lot of issues that some were experiencing with what I suspect are questionable wireless networks or routers/ap's. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My personal thoughts on Squeezebox concept.
Pale Blue Ego;437489 Wrote: Use SB3, dedicated server (I strongly prefer linux), and wired connections. You will have no problems. Wireless user XP here.The main thing is you have a *good* network and a reliable server running SC. My personal philosophy is to wire everything that can be wired use wireless in places where it is convenient. It is so convenient to have my SBx's connected wirelessly that's how I've chosen to deploy them - and after almost two years of using the products, I've never had a reason to switch any of them to wired as they've been practically flawless. If you do not have a stable wireless network, you will have problems. If you have questionable wireless gear, you will likely have problems. If you live in an area with lots of interference from other 2.4ghz devices you will likely have problems -- simple as that. Likewise, your choice in server OS choice is not nearly as important as your server's configuration and how it's maintained. Personally, I run XP SP3 with no antivirus and no firewall on seven year old hardware (northwood 3.06ghz). This machine also serves as a PVR, is connected to one local TV set and two remote ones via set top boxes. SC and my PVR software run extremely satisfactorily on this older hardware and is highly reliable. I do agree though, that it would be nice for more non-technical users to have a server in a box option -- however, it needs to not be a low performance NAS device. It needs to be dedicated, fast, low power hardware running some *nix variant. Perhaps the new, elusive SBT will fill this role? With that in mind, the option to run SC on local, existing hardware needs to remain for power users as well... -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My personal thoughts on Squeezebox concept.
The short answer to this complaint is that the player feature of the SBC *is* a beta feature and is advertised as such, expect the unexpected. sander;437541 Wrote: Just adding my 2 cents as another Duet user. To me the issue is the powering down just makes the device unusable in many instances, if you keep it cradled generally or use it constantly so it doesn't power down its great. I use the Duet kind of like I would a Squeezebox touch, really I use it as a screen for the receiver near by receiver in my kitchen, and occasionally for a controller when it's helpful to see more screen real estate. For this its been great, and based on my limited usage its been great, and my girl friend really bought into the squeezebox system with the expanded ui. That said if it goes to sleep all bets are off. Half the time it can't connect and often it just needs to be rebooted. As it is sitting in the charger it drops in and out of the player list in Squeezecenter. Now before people accuse me of having some flakey network I have an Sb3 and Boom which are twice as far as the controller ever gets and they stay connected 24/7. The issue is the SqueezeOS stuff is still pretty primitive and flakey next to the SB2 approach which has been honed over a period of years. I hope it will mature, but time will tell. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=65198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best Router for 3rd party Software
Why not use an elcheapo regular layer 2, 4 or 5 port switch on the neighbors lan as it comes into your house (and before the router)? Adding a layer 3 or VLAN'd switch seems to be complicating things for no reason. Code: Internet | | | Neighbor LAN |-| |--| Your LAN | | ---| switch |-| M0N0wall |--| Switch/Wireless | |-| | Router | |-| ||--| | |-| | NAS | |-| Simple, cheap, effective, flexible Another option would be to run a Linksys WRT54GL -- using DD-WRT firmware, VLAN out the ports, and set up appropriate firewall rules using IpTables. This will be a little more difficult to set up than a M0N0wall or PF Sense box, but it will be the cheapest option of all, and give you all the functionality you want as well as a low power silent box (FWIW, as mentioned above M0N0wall can easily be built on silent, low power hardware). -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64547 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Wired Only SB3 - wireless
I've seen conflicting reports, so does anyone definitively know: Can you convert a wired only SB3 to wireless? My only concern is that I once saw a post that said only the wired SB2's had the vacant mini-pci slot that the wired only SB3's did not. If need be, I could tear apart my wired only SB3 and see if it has a mini-pci slot, but I'd rather not if I'm going to find that it does not. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64596 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wired Only SB3 - wireless
I may do that then. Didn't know how much of a pain to open it was. Seems like the card used was fairly standard, maybe something like an Intel 2200BG - I may be mistaken on that though. I'll do some searching. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64596 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wired Only SB3 - wireless
You were correct.The MiniPCI slot is there - antennas are not. Should be an easy upgrade. Based on what I've found in other threads, this is the wireless card one wants: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19822 I've found it on ebay ranging from $15 shipped to around $30. It appears to be an OEM card that gets branded various ways. One calls it an Atheros. I've attached a more detailed pic of one I found. +---+ |Filename: TL-WN660G_unit2.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=7624| +---+ -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64596 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SBR directly to amp - why not?
I've read a couple times people on the forum recommend against hooking up a SB3 or SBR directly to an amplifier. What is the reasoning behind this? It seems counter intuitive to me. I ask because I am getting ready to buy an amp to hook up to my SBR - and I'm having trouble identifying a reason to complicate the system with a seemingly unnecessary preamp. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64541 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SBR directly to amp - why not?
Thanks guys, I'll check out the audiophile section. A pre-amp would be undesirable, but if I could install a simple attenuator that would prevent destruction in the seemingly unlikely event of a full signal blast, that works for me. Digital volume -- I thought this was only an issue with the digital outs running to an external DAC, not the analogs. FWIW, I'm not looking for the most pristine audio available in this application, just reasonable quality running to feed to my reasonable quality gear in a rec room. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64541 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SBR directly to amp - why not?
That all said, and bearing in mind what I'm after (noise for our rec room) --- this amp seems like it would fit the bill well to be directly connected to a SBx: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=82-180-022-01.jpg%2c82-180-022-02.jpgS7ImageFlag=0WaterMark=1Item=N82E16882180022Depa=0Description=AudioSource%20AMP-100%202-Channel%20Amplifier Any thoughts/experience? -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64541 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SBR directly to amp - why not?
Thanks for the info. I would tend to think that as long as the volume control on the amp is set to where it's not clipping when the SBx is at max, all would be well in the case of a catastrophic volume event. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64541 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SBR directly to amp - why not?
That's what I want for this setup as well - a minimal configuration that can easily be used by anyone in the house or possibly even visitors. The AB switch may also be a nice feature in our config too because I could send power to speakers in another nearby room. I have two pair of these: http://www.klipsch.com/na-en/products/rsx-5-overview/ I'm thinking that amp will do a decent job of feeding them - and if not, we're not out much. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64541 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Best Router for 3rd party Software
+1 for pfSense. pf is built on top of m0n0wall, so if you don't need the advanced features pf offers, you can get by on a more slim installation of m0n0wall. I've been using both for a few years now, my m0n0wall box is rock solid - I have had to boot one of my pf boxes once or twice (over the last two or three years), but that may be the hardware it's on and not necessarily pf itself. As mentioned above you can run either on very light hardware - two of mine run on CF drives as well (the other is a VM). You can also scour eBay for Intel dual nic cards out of old servers on the cheap (unless you need GbE). -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64547 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone experience of dead remote?
Yes, my first classic was this way - it's remote was DOA. Call support - they'll hook you up. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rhapsody Implementation Needs Improvement
Rhapsody works for me *most* of the time. Occasionally it's a bit goofy. However, it's that way in their own client too. Can't expect Slim to compensate for all of Rhapsody's shortcomings. As a software/hardware developer, how much time can you afford to dedicate to fighting ghosts - inconsistent, non-repeatable, undocumented problems that may or may not clear up or change tomorrow. How bloated and convoluted do you allow your code become trying to deal with issues you have no control over? You can certainly try your best, but when the server throws you curve balls and unexpected, unreliable, and inconsistent results - there's only so much you can do. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63462 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rhapsody Implementation Needs Improvement
Absolutely, However, I think you missed the gist of my point. I was not suggesting you code with reckless abandon, expecting things will always go as expected. Let me detail out the reasoning behind my post: 1.) Rhapsody's service is the only service I ever have any difficulty out of. 2.) Rhapsody doesn't always work properly in their native client 3.) Other friends/family report similar issues with Rhapsody's service 4.) Users of other devices report similar problems interfacing with Rhapsody. Do we see a pattern forming yet? It's probably reasonable to assume that at least some effort has been put into defensive coding due to the fact that those other services are likely not 100% reliable either, yet for the most part they work very well. Perhaps the team just completely drop the ball on only Rhapsody? That is certainly a possibility, but the evidence we do have does not point that way. I wasn't suggesting that any efforts to improve the interface be stopped - I was suggesting, however, that as a developer, at some point you have to again decide when you are going stop complicating your code and expending your resources trying to resolve issues not under your control. You have, at this point put forth a reasonable effort and must move on to dealing with things you can control. Putting in fixes as suggested by the OP seems like it would be counter productive - handing unexpected errors is one thing - trying to predict the various failure modes of an unpredictable system and counter them undocumented, trial error methods that will likely lead to more complex, difficult to maintain, and bug prone code is quite another. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=63462 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Anyone using an SB2 or SB3 as a wireless bridge to a PC?
+1 for reliable connection through a SB2. I don't use mine consistently for this purpose, but I have used it for working on various systems and for doing big downloads.If I remember right, I've verified 20mbps throughput.I know for a fact it will sustain 8mbps for extended periods. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Favorite service?
I use Pandora a lot as well as a few shoutcast streams.Rhapsody is also good when I'm looking for specific songs. When I just want to put it on autopilot though, I listen most to Pandora or Shoutcast. Between these three services, I almost never listen to my local collection. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62655 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Music Services, which ones are free?
FWIW, I'd lump Pandora more into the completely free but membership required category. Their paid service seems more geared toward web listeners and those using mobile devices than squeezeboxes. I personally use their free service all the time and have found it far from limited at this point, don't see any advantages to using their paid service with a squeezebox. I'd probably say the same for Slacker as well. Neither of those are a paid subscription service like, say, Rhapsody or Sirius is. For that matter - probably live365 as well, although I haven't used them much so I can't say for certain.For whatever reason, it seems they fall under internet radio instead of music services. Probably because they operate more like traditional radio than the customized service Pandora offers. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62523 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Remote administration
If the WHS has a firewall, make sure port 9000 is open or set an exception for Squeezecenter. Then point your web browser to either: http://whs ip address:9000/ http://your_whs_name:9000/ If web access is not what you're after - I'm not sure if there's a Remote Desktop Client available for Mac's, but if there is not, check out VNC. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62519 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any new toys coming out from SD
I don't agree that the iphone/itouch solution is a huge factor. Reason being it is a personal solution.I have four people in my house. If I had an iPhone with iPeng software, it may very well be handy for me - it is not, however, handy for anyone else in the household, nor do I think I would be real comfortable passing it around at a party. I think it's great that it is an option - and a very viable one. Even if it does cannibalize some SBC sales, I think it offers value to Logitech in that it adds value to their other products and fills a void that they don't and probably can't really fill - a personal device that is on you most all the time. Video -- not sure. It would be a cool addition, but audio and video are two completely different products. I am perfectly happy having my squeezenetwork be my audio solution. I have a completely separate IP video solution that I'm pretty happy with too for the time being. Not sure it's in anyone's best interest for slim to try to be the best video solution and the best audio solution out there.Let's focus on what we know, make it better, make it appeal to a wider audience, make it easy for the technically challenged. The potential audio market is huge as IP audio takes over traditional audiom, we are only at the very beginning stages. Some strides have to be made to make it feasible for Joe Sixpack to be able to: 1.) afford it. 2.) understand how to make it work. Video would cloud complicate the issue at a time when it probably doesn't need to be clouded or complicated. A good video solution would be very cool - but a whole 'nother development team would likely be needed so that the audio side of things wouldn't suffer. There's a lot to be said for not spreading yourself too thin and not trying to be the best at everything. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62455 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any new toys coming out from SD
All very true. I don't have any movies set up in my video system at all, either. I use mine as a DVR on steroids. I have two weeks of programming info at any given time, powerful search functions, etc. I can stream any recorded programs to three different TV's in the house, the kids can easily watch any of their recorded programs in their room - I can control what channels they have access to, etc - all over the IP network and a set top box. I've also had the ability for years to schedule my recordings over the internet, even live stream my tuner or recorded programs over the net, although, really - unless you're a total junkie, there's little reason for it. It's perfect for my needs. I don't see a huge need for indexing, dvd storage (and the numerous problems the encryption causes), etc.But as a networked DVR, it's awesome. Random play of recorded video is cool for the kids - they love selecting random shows to play at night as they go to bed. As for DVD's - if I play a DVD, I have full access to the menu structure via MCE remote control. You still do if you have the DVD stored in DVD format on the HDD also --- a feature I've helped friends with, but don't use myself. FWIW, I don't use my video solution at all in the same manner as I do my audio system. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62455 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any new toys coming out from SD
A receiver type device with built in amp (maybe offered in various sizes) -- just hook to your traditional speakers and go. Taking it a step further, maybe offer the DSP functionality of the Boom, adjustable crossover freq's, sub out, etc.., settings tweakable from squeezecenter. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62455 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Any new toys coming out from SD
Neat -- I was unaware of that product. Am I reading right that it basically acts as an SBR interfaces to Squeezecenter? I wonder if it handles Rhapsody, Pandora, etc? -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62455 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] can a wired SB3 be upgraded to wireless?
Are you sure you can upgrade the SB3 to wireless? I have a wired only SB3 in searching on this forum I was lead to believe by a fairly convincing post that the SB2 wired only units had the mini-pci slot, but the SB3's did not. I've not opened mine up to find out since it's sitting next to a WRT54GL that's a client bridge to another building anyways, but in the future it might be nice to upgrade it if possible. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=62072 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help! A second hand Squeezebox v3
If these units are 'leaking' out of our factory with invalid MAC addresses then this is a very serious problem for us. :( That's what I was just thinking. I have a friend that bought a Cisco Pix box on eBay a while back at a good price. Turns out, the factory in China was making some for Cisco, and making some for themselves. The one he got was a counterfeit Cisco understandably wouldn't allow him to purchase software for it.Seems like that may be an issue that may become a bigger problem as time goes forward. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61948 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations gone - Please confirm
Bummer - confirmed working in the USA. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61667 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Possible to sync new players (classic, boom) with ROKU soundbridges?
What Dogberry said Mine is also used daily by both myself and the wife. No appreciable problems - it just works, not sure what others problems are. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60288 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] please help me pick a new router
+1 for the WRT54GL. As others mentioned, note the L at the end. I have not experienced any packet throughput problems at all with mine. I have logged 22mbps from wireless to wired devices (which is as good as I've seen from any wireless-G gear), 90 some odd mbps wired to wired across it's switch, and it handles my 8mbps internet connection via it's router with numerous connected devices without any trouble. I've also installed dozens of these routers for customers, friends, and family with no complaints. In fact, I have about six of these routers in a business VOIP application that all connect to a central trixbox located in middle America - with GL's and phones as far away as Canada and even one in Hong Kong. The routers are even establishing maintaining an OpenVPN connection to the trixbox prevent NAT issues with the VOIP. This system has been in place for about a year I almost never have to work on it - it just works. Amazing for ~$50 hardware. We also run a game server through another one of them with no trouble -- this particular one is one of three covering an 8000 sq/ft house, while also running VOIP and maintaining an OpenVPN session at all times. Anyhow I'd also suggest running the DD-WRT firmware. I think this is an important part of not only giving you the flexibility to do all sorts of things, but to making the router rock solid reliable as far as consumer level devices go. The system has great reliability and I have no trouble what-so-ever out of my network of squeezeboxen at home - they work well and reliably, no complaints at all. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60201 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Love My Squeezebox! What's The Equivalent For Video?
sgmlaw;366997 Wrote: The MediaMVP running GBPVR costs next to nothing (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116008Tpk=mediamvp)(GBPVR is FREE) and can play standard resolution video over LAN with no problems whatsoever. With a decent tuner/capture card, you've got a solid PVR. The trick is having a strong server system. I run ours through a modulator into our TV distribution system. With an RF remote kit (http://www.nextgenerationhomeproducts.com/), we have a private HDD-based video library that you access and watch on every TV in the house over Ch 123. I've been running GBPVR for 3 years now - excellent software great WAF. The commercial skip abilities alone are worth the price of admission. We have two MVP's running MVPMC for distribution to other TVs in the house (in fact, one of them is getting ready to be a client bridge off a SB2 to see how well that works). The MVP does great with SD playback - it's got a hardware MPEG2 decoder. The menus with GBPVR are a touch laggy, but it's mostly related to the server PC because w/GBPVR the menus are actually an MPEG stream from the server. For whoever was saying formats were a problem, I believe GBPVR can transcode, but I've never done it, all my video is either recorded or live TV from my hardware encoder. There's a pretty active community of GBPVR users with Popcorn Hour devices - may be worth checking out the forum if you're needing more than the MVP will do. I've heard that MythTV is a bear to get keep working, even for seasoned *nix guys - be aware of that if you decide to try that route. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40689 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Email support is not very impressive
*ouch* thats a bit harsh, if we are looking at the same thread he asked a question, had to bump it up as no one responded then somebody suggested something, he then replied to say that wasn't it, end of thread. Apparently we weren't looking at the same thread because the one I currently see wasn't answered by two people, nor was it abandoned... Unfortunately, now I can't find the one I originally wrote that about. Maybe I was imagining it :) If Logitech offer e-mail support then they should reply to e-mails and not leave them hanging, users should not have to phone up to get the same level of service. I don't disagree, but what should be and what is, are two different things. Poor email support is not uncommon probably has numerous reasons - from being inundated with spam, to incoherent questions from people with no writing skills. I pretty much expect poor email support and consider it a treat when I get a fast and detailed response. Phone support seems much more productive most of the time, especially once you get past the 1st tier script readers. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54773 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Email support is not very impressive
Looks to me like you abandoned your previous thread. You had two responses that you didn't bother to respond to. You can't just expect people to start crawling out of the woodwork with all sorts of helpful suggestions when you don't bother to respond to those who did at least try to offer up some help - regardless if their attempts at assistance were helpful or not. To get a dialog going on the forums, you have to be an active participant. If this issue is causing you so much grief that you are considering uprooting your system and rolling the dice with another company's higher priced less flexible products, why not put forth the minimal effort required to place a phone call to support before throwing in the towel?Personally I've found email support and even serious sales inquiries via email pretty sketchy from practically all companies these days. FWIW, the one time I had an issue with my squeezebox, I called Logitech support and was met with a friendly helpful crew that got my issue taken care of straight away. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54773 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Complete frustration
Yikes! Getting to the web interface shouldn't take weeks of tinkering unless something's gone horribly wrong. I've had great luck with the installer, personally - but we probably need a little more info about your setup. I literally had my first setup playing music in a few minutes. What OS, how old/fast/slow is the hardware? Are you using the default skin? What version of Squeezecenter are you using? What kind of Squeezeboxen do you have plugged in? Are you running firewall software on the computer running squeezecenter? What browser are you using? (please don't say mosiac or netscape 1.0) What is your network setup? More detail about the exact problem as well. If you're dealing with music library items, you use the + graphic to move things from the left to the right (and build a playlist of items). If you want to play immediately, click the play icon. Be sure the correct player is selected in the dropdown on the top right. If you've built a playlist with the + graphic, you can play the list by clicking the play icon in the top right panel. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54794 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What an election.
Wow, for the most part I'm pretty proud of those participating in this thread, in many other boards I visit the discussion would have went afoul much longer ago. So, when does George Bush go on trial? Weapons of mass destruction my ass! I love this argument - If Bush was as corrupt as many of you seem to believe, we *WOULD* have found WMD's, doesn't take a genius to think that one through. Comparing his administration to Nazi Germany is as ignorant as it is insulting for all of us on this side of the pond - regardless of your politics. So the guy got some bad info (maybe) - intelligence is never 100% accurate and all you can do is follow what you feel in your gut the information you've been provided. It's unfortunate we didn't find any WMD's to shut everyone up, but the gist of it is that WE ARE doing good things in Iraq, Saddam's regime was truly guilty of many crimes against humanity, and most of the regular folk there do appreciate us - at least according to the military personnel I've talked to that have been there. It's unfortunate that almost no one else had the nuts to go over there with us and remove this dangerous person from a position of power.I just personally hope we can get Iraq's security shored up before we make a knee jerk reaction and pull out prematurely, further destabilizing the region and giving an opportunity to other extremists groups like the Taliban. The other thing I have a problem with is people blaming the current state of the economy on those awful republicans. No offense to anyone in particular but this discussion is so complex and long in the making that assigning blame toward one side or the other is a sure sign you've been brainwashed by your media or have limited capacity to process the scope of the situation. Personally I feel a lot of greed by various groups lead us to this. Firstly, there's only so much $5+/gallon diesel the US economy, as powerful as it is/was can support. I'm well aware many in the world would find this a bargain, but we're a big country with large open spaces and the need to do a LOT of transportation to support our economy and citizens - the whole country practically runs on diesel in one form or fashion. Certainly a large part of the blame for this quagmire falls right in the laps of those responsible - whoever you believe that is. Hopefully the end result of this is a lot more money poured into developing alternative and cleaner energy sources, a lot more quickly. Another HUGE part of the problem were the lineant lending practices that allowed a huge rush of unqualified people to purchase property they absolutely could not afford in attempt to flip it and make a mint in the process. This phenomenon lead to a huge inflation of real estate prices on both the coasts (and to a lesser extent, the middle of the country) that could absolutely not be sustained for any reasonable period of time. Combine this with skyrocketing energy costs (which affect the cost of *EVERYTHING* else) and you have the perfect storm Now - the reality is, as long as energy is available, and we have natural resources (and use them wisely), the prices economy will correct themselves with time. We've already seen it with oil returning to the $60~70 range - it may not stay there but I bet it will be at least a little while before we see it at $150/barrel again. FWIW - it's going to be an interesting four years for sure. As others in this thread I congratulate Mr Obama on his victory hope he does a great job for us all as well as heals our relationship with the world (which I believe was unduly tarnished by the media's extreme hatred of Bush). Three of my biggest concerns though are his experience - it's one thing to make a good speech, it's quite another to make good decisions. Next, the amount of money he spent to get there - that simply equals a *lot* of favors to a *lot* of people. The other is his current voting record making him one of the most (if not the most) partisan liberals in the Senate. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54678 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What an election.
You can believe what you like - take the pessimist view and believe everything is motived by bad. Sure, there is plenty of things that go afoul in other countries around the world - but we can't fix 'em all - and some of them present more of a direct threat (real or perceived) to us and our allies. Sometimes it's just bad to draw attention to yourself at the wrong time - that's what Afghanistan Iraq did. Was it for financial purposes? Not as far as I can tell - we're certainly no better off financially for doing it stealing their oil as much of the world accused us of for a time, certainly didn't help us when oil was $150/barrel. Shouldn't we have been swimming in the stuff laughing at as the rest of the world bought oil at a 400% premium or more? Surely you can't be serious about this being simply an economic issue. Again, much like the economy this subject of the middle east is so complex and has so many intricacies, it would be very difficult to discuss it with any resemblance of intelligence without first hand involvement for many years. It's awfully easy to spout ancillary accusations from afar, especially if they're being fed to you as propaganda. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54678 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What an election.
You can believe what you like - take the pessimist view and believe everything is motived by bad. Sure, there is plenty of things that go afoul in other countries around the world - but we can't fix 'em all, especially practically alone - and some of them present more of a direct threat (real or perceived) to us and our allies. Sometimes it's just bad to draw attention to yourself at the wrong time - that's what Afghanistan Iraq did. Was it for financial purposes? Not as far as I can tell - we're certainly no better off financially for doing it stealing their oil as much of the world accused us of for a time, certainly didn't help us when oil was $150/barrel. Shouldn't we have been swimming in the stuff laughing at as the rest of the world bought oil at a 400% premium or more? Surely you can't be serious about this being simply an economic issue. Again, much like the economy this subject is so complex it would be very difficult to discuss it with any resemblance of intelligence without first hand involvement for many years. It's awfully easy to spout ancillary accusations from afar, especially if they're being fed to you as propaganda. -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54678 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What an election.
Certainly humanity wasn't the only issue - I wasn't presenting it that way either - I just made mention that we HAVE done a lot of good there that many residents of Iraq are appreciative of our intervention. Should intervention be avoided if it may be perceived that there is some financial benefit? There better be a bunch as we've certainly spent a bunch over there. Personally, I believe the situation had much more to do with a perceived threat to our country - certainly in Afghanistan's case - we were attacked on our own soil by all means by those being harbored training there (unless you really believe those fictional videos that somewhere along the line, got picked up by the conspiracy theory folks and presented as reality). Iraq was maybe more of a threat to our allies, the stability of the region - and of course, a number of the citizens that live there. As mentioned before, I'm fairly certain there is MUCH more to this than this lowly, hourly worker bee is aware of - and I'm quite certain none of us will ever have a full big picture of the situation. I'm right there with you on the celebrity issue. :) -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54678 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just curious: when/why did you get your first Slim/Logitech player?
My parents were building a new large house. Instead of running analog speaker cable all over the house and deal with all the issues involved with that, I started searching google for IP Audio Distribution. I also slipped some synchronization keywords here and there because they like to entertain being able to sync the music was a must. I first ran across only a couple solutions. Then I found the Sonos stuff. It looked cool but was a bit pricey I didn't like the fact that their high dollar remote had a fixed. non-replaceable battery. After finding Sonos, I saw some people comparing their setup to a device called the squeezebox, so I came over here to look around. I liked the open source flexibility - another big selling point for me was I was able to demo the system for free and without obligation. I downloaded softsqueeze to three laptops, set up a slim server on a desktop and proceeded to sync them to an internet radio station. Very Cool! I figured if it worked that well with a java software client, running on wireless laptops, to an internet radio station no less - the hardware should run great. The only thing was that the LCD remote of the Sonos system was very cool, however, the expense, the non replaceable battery, and the fact that it was a closed system (meaning your hostage to how often they decide to update add features) held me back. I bought my first squeezebox shortly after that, I saw that a controller was being worked on in the beta stages, Excellent! Now I have a Squeezebox, a Duet, a software player, and a Boom. They get used almost daily (in fact, I'm listening to Radio Paradise right now). That all said, I still haven't talked my parents into populating their new house with any audio devices -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53831 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Receiver and Controller now shipping!
SD's pricing on the Duet may be derived as a market position relative to Sonos technology, but $400 for that product seems wrong to this long time electronics consumer. Considering it's only $100 more than a regular SB3, the price seems pretty good for what you're getting.Considering it's substantially less than it's nearest competitor, it seems even better. With the receivers being available for $150 by themselves, it brings populating the house with zones that don't necessarily need a display of their own within reach of a much wider audience - and with the SBC, you get a really slick way to control them. The SBC really brings the system together is a pretty slick piece of technology that will only get better with time -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47354 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeCentre XP SP3
I've done several SP3 upgrades now with not a problem -- including the box that runs squeezecenter :) -- 86atc250r 86atc250r's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
