Re: [slim] Can't connect
RobbH wrote: > Try reading 'this post' > (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97791-Squeezebox-Radio-keeps-losing-wireless-connection-and-won-t-reconnect-any-ideas=1037411=1#post1037411) > in one of the threads kidstypike sent you earlier. It provides a concise > explanation of the likely problem. At least, this seems to be the most > frequent cause of the misbehavior you're seeing. In short, your wireless > network might be fine, but using new networking protocols that are > incompatible with some older hardware, including Squeezebox Radios. Or > your wireless network may be fine, but suffering from interference from > your neighbors' networks, which might be using those new protocols. The > new protocols are referred to as WiFi6. > > The following posts in that thread may provide some suggestions for ways > to work around the problem. I updated my router over the weekend since I got tired of NetGear seemingly being unable to produce reliable firmware anymore, and bought an Asus RT-AX88U; love the router but my three Squeezebox Radios stopped working :-( This thread pointed me to WiFi6; turning off WiFi6 fixed the Radio issues. I'll have to investigate the WiFi dongle solution; I would prefer to be able to use WiFi6... kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115533 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sirius Dead on the Logitech Devices
Summary: we're fucked. kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104287 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sirius Dead on the Logitech Devices
I got it too. For the Radio that I have by the bed, I can always plug my iPhone or iPad into the line in jack and listen to Sirius that way. But I don't know the options for the (Slim Devices branded!) SB3 in the living room... kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104287 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New SB ?
Corelli45 wrote: Sorry...I did misunderstand your first question. During the initial listening, though I knew the resolutions my listening partner did not. That's enough to cause bias; your listening partner could have picked up on your reactions (whether voluntary or involuntary). All it takes is tiny clues to invalidate a blind test. kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95885 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox (and others) on IFA trade show in Berlin
Pascal Hibon;655430 Wrote: It is very sad but Squeezebox died the day Logitech bought Slimdevices. Its been downhill ever since that day. Logitech doesnt care about Squeezebox; they dont understand the Squeezebox. Its a real shame. This is just so, so very lame. Duet, Boom, Radio, Touch all after the Logitech acquisition. Lots of really good stuff. Problems too, but I wouldn't trade my three radios for another SB3 - I love my SB3, but the Radio form factor and price opened up another entire niche for spreading wireless music throughout the house. My only complaint about the direction that Logitech is taking the Squeezebox line is the lack of resources devoted to SW devel and test. It's an execution thing, not a vision thing. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90132 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What's the Connection? Community and Logitech
erland;644611 Wrote: Logitech is a big company who doesn't prioritize talking to customers in public. Not much different than other big companies. Apple silently denied the iPhone antenna problem for months, and similar scenarios can probably also be seen on a lot of other big companies. erland, with all due respect, I think you're barking up the wrong tree with respect to the iPhone's so-called antenna problem. There were pretty conclusive demonstrations by Apple and third parties that just about any phone can be held in such a way to block parts of the antenna. It was really pretty overblown. With regards to 7.6, I have no idea if it will turn out to be a disaster or not for the Squeezebox line, but if it hurts Squeezebox sales the way the so-called iPhone antenna problem has impacted iPhone 4 sales, then Logitech will be laughing all the way to the bank. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89142 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech CEO Steps down
erland;644604 Wrote: Just remember that the only thing that's fact is that the CEO is going to change and they have indicated they will lower the price on the Revue. Everything else mentioned here is just guesses. What do you know about the CEO of any competitor ? Will Apple change CEO soon (Steve has been a bit sick, you know) ? Do you even know who is CEO for Sonos ? I bet there are a lot of guesses also about Apple and Sonos future products, just not on this forum. with respect to Apple, it appears that Steve Jobs is still very much running the company, and that his health, though taking a lot of his time, is not necessarily precarious. So the Apple-watchers are expecting that Jobs will continue as the head of Apple for quite a while longer. With the exception of an astoundingly speculative article a couple of weeks ago in the WSJ that seems to have been published to manipulate Apple's stock price, there isn't really any doubt among the analysts about who the next CEO of Apple will be, though - it will be current COO Tim Cook, who is extremely respected inside and outside of Apple. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=89129 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ripping to FLAC and making a copy that works with ITunes
Even though I'm on a Mac, I use dbpoweramp; just about the only thing I use my WinXP virtual machine for. I haven't found a native MacOS ripper that I like yet (there are some interesting projects going on at sbooth.org, but they weren't ready for prime time the last time I checked). I use dbpoweramp's multi-encoder to rip to FLAC and AAC simultaneously, then import the AACs into iTunes for use in stuffing my iPods. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88774 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Life with a Squeezebox, iTunes, FLAC, MP3, Apple Lossless, and an iPod
I pretty much agree with aubuti: I rip everything with dbpoweramp (the only thing that I use Windows for, but I just haven't found a native OS X ripper that I like) to FLAC in one directory tree for SBS, and (using the the multi-encode feature of dbpoweramp) simultaneously to AAC for iTunes into a different directory tree. I then import the AAC files into iTunes for our various iPods. I do NOT use iTunes integration for SBS. I've been using Songbird to create and export playlists for SBS; works fairly well. The holes in this workflow at this time are: (1) During the dbpoweramp convert-to-AAC, I volume normalize the resulting AAC using the track gain value; this lets me play back the digital AAC file on systems (e.g., my car's iPod integration) that don't pay attention to ReplayGain tags and still have smooth track-to-track volume. I'd like to do the volume normalize using the album gain tag, but dbpoweramp's multi-encode feature won't work like that since you don't know album gain until you're completely done with the album rip. Solution is likely to do the convert-to-AAC-and-volume-normalize in a batch post-rip, but I just haven't set that up yet. (2) I buy very little music off of the iTMS, but I'd like to expand that for tracks where I have no interest in finding and buying the actual CD. Therefore, I'd like to figure out a way to automatically grab purchased files (in AAC format) from my iTunes directory, slap ReplayGain tags on them, and copy them to my SBS music tree. But I haven't figured that one out yet. Except for these two holes, I'm really happy with my two-directory solution and only using iTunes to manage my iDevices. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32734 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Creating a Playlist (How???)
aubuti;637187 Wrote: Here are some examples: Winamp foobar2000 J River Media Center Media Monkey Songbird (I think it does .m3u files) Yes, you can point Winamp (or other softare) to your NAS. Songbird requires an extension to export playlists, but it seems to work OK so far. It's the best solution I've found so far for a Mac not using iTunes integration. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sean and Dean - We Want You Back!
w3wilkes;635363 Wrote: Come on, in October it will be 5 years since Logitech bought Slim. I doubt you could have a infinite non-compete clause that would hold up in any court. And has Logitech really taken the Slim Device line up anywhere beyond where Slim was when Logitech acquired it? Now look, Logitech has definitely f'ed up some stuff (Radio alarms w/o SBS), but let's be real: Radio and Touch wouldn't have happened without Logitech, and probably not the Controller either. I love my SD-branded SB3, but I also love my three Radios too. Yes, they aren't slim devices any more, and it's pretty obvious that Logitech severely underestimated the SW effort required, but I think that 85% of a loaf is much better than none. Hold Logitech's feet to the fire, absolutely. Deny the many things they've gotten right, totally unfair. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87951 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Fed up by Squeezebox
Very sorry for your difficulties. However, your best bet is to (a) go complain at the official forums (see the sticky for the address), and (b) call Logitech customer support. These are community forums, not official support forums. There may be people here who can help you, but don't assume that Logitech support people will answer here... Best of luck in resolving the problems. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=86758 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Revisiting iTunes alternatives for the Mac
My problem with playlist creation is that I like to build relatively small playlists (50-100 songs), based on nothing more than these are the songs I want to listen to (in a random order) today. My music library isn't enormous (2000 songs or so), so doing this on a drag-n-drop interface is quite useful. I used to use iTunes, and still do for my lossy iPod library, but I have a separate FLAC library I use for my Squeezeboxen, and need to create playlists for that. That said, I just tried out Songbird with the Playlist Exporter plugin, and it looks like it will do what I want it to do. Doesn't solve the OP's issue, though, because it's not a universal binary... -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73445 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Server on Mac
Question: did you already have a version of SBS installed? I had a similar (not exactly, though) problem when I upgraded from 7.4.0 to 7.4.1; I ended up removing the preference pane, reinstalling 7.4.1, and the problem went away. This was on MacOS X 10.5.8. To deinstall, go to /Library/PreferencePanes and delete Squeezebox.prefPane. I think that's pretty much all that you need to do. Hope this helps... -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73485 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I find out what speed my Squeezeboxen are connected at?
Does your router / wireless access point give you that info? Mine will at least tell me what the connection type is. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73490 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Revisiting iTunes alternatives for the Mac
I tried Songbird out a couple of weeks ago but could not figure out how to export playlists to an M3U; that's a deal killer for me. Play from sbooth.org has the same issue. For ripping and tagging, I gave up on Mac apps and now run dbpoweramp in a Windows VM. I tried Max from sbooth.org, but its tagging wasn't very good. Maybe the new Rip application under development there will be better. My big problem right now is creating playlists for mysb. If I could only export playlists from Songbird... -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73445 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Revisiting iTunes alternatives for the Mac
kphinney's list is good EXCEPT it left out: playlist creation tool!!! -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73445 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Going from a PC to a Mac...have questions.
cunobelinus;490306 Wrote: Would someone please switch on the bulb for a poor unenlightened iTunes user (that's me) and explain (preferably in words of no more than two syllables and something approaching every day English!): 1. what's so bad about it? 2. How does one do what it does on a Mac, including its compatibility with iPods (and no, I'm not talking MP3 nor yet AAC. I play lossless on my iPod through the best headphones I can afford/carry at the time) preferably in a single easy-to-swallow pill, without committing whatever heinous crimes are the answer to (1)? Use of Parallels/VMFusionWare etc etc allowed! It's not that I dislike iTunes; I still use it for managing my iPods. But my iPods are just for car, gym, etc; in the house, I use Squeezeboxen (http://www.logitechsqueezebox.com), so I wanted my library to be FLAC since the Squeezeboxen handle it natively (they transcode ALAC). Plus, a lossless format on the iPods is huge overkill for my purposes, and dramatically reduces how many songs I can carry. Also, I want true ReplayGain tags (album and track), which iTunes won't do. I just didn't see a solution on the Mac that I liked as well as dbpoweramp on PC, and booting a WinXP virtual machine on my Mac is so easy...so I went with dbpoweramp and its four-provider metadata solution. I like its metadata much better than iTunes; it can find cover art for obscure stuff much more often, for example. I rip But I do want to revisit Steve Booth's tools to see if they meet my needs now. Itunes won't until it natively supports FLAC, AccurateRip, and ReplayGain. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71904 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Going from a PC to a Mac...have questions.
bigbwb;490100 Wrote: So from the sounds of things and after doing more research, my best bet seems to be to use paralells or a similar program and tag, edit, create playlists, and etc running windows on the mac. I would assume once I finish my editing of music on the windows side using media monkey, I will then have access to these same files in the mac OS? As long as you set up your music directory so that it can be seen from both the Windows VM and MacOS, then yes. I created a music directory in /User/Shared and store all of my music in there; under VMWare Fusion, I have that specified as a shared drive, and dbpoweramp writes ripped files to that directory. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71904 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Going from a PC to a Mac...have questions.
exile;489920 Wrote: good luck and may you never have to open a microsoft program or internet explorer ever again. I confess that, despite being about as fervent a Machead as you can find, that I use dbpoweramp (running in a WinXP virtual machine) to do my ripping and initial tagging. I'm eagerly awaiting Steve Booth's Rip application to get out of beta, but even then it won't have the multiple metadata sources that the registered version of dbpoweramp has. I don't know if it will do multiple conversions and compute track and album gains either; my dbpoweramp chain spits out FLAC and m4a simultaneously, with ReplayGain computations to boot. I don't know of any ways to make playlists for SBServer on the Mac outside of SBServer (unless you use Itunes integration, which I don't for other reasons). Maybe somebody else does... -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71904 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Going from a PC to a Mac...have questions.
kmr;489921 Wrote: I'm eagerly awaiting Steve Booth's Rip application to get out of beta, but even then it won't have the multiple metadata sources that the registered version of dbpoweramp has. I don't know if it will do multiple conversions and compute track and album gains either; my dbpoweramp chain spits out FLAC and m4a simultaneously, with ReplayGain computations to boot. I was perusing the Rip / Max / Play etc site, and it appears that Rip does support ReplayGain, both track gain and album gain. Not sure if you can adjust the target value or not as you can with dbpoweramp. Max can handle conversions to different formats. Maybe I should look into these tools again... -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71904 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why so many rude comments?
I'll try one more time: MrSinatra;468847 Wrote: like, does washing dishes mean you can't use a boom? can one not tell the difference between a boom or a sbradio if they don't have perfect stereo imaging body placement? or some other room noise? if i work on my car, am i not more likely to want a louder device than a quieter one? just b/c the environment isn't perfect, does that mean i need to cripple my audio player to save $50? like i said, i get it, some in this thread disagree, fair enough. As many people have said: THE BOOM ISN'T PORTABLE THE SAME WAY THE RADIO IS PORTABLE. The Boom requires AC power; the Radio (once the battery pack is released) doesn't. That's a big deal for me; but I don't claim that the Boom is crippled because it requires AC power - just that it is much less effective for MY needs. The Boom is twice the size of the Radio; that makes it too big for my nightstand - but the Radio fits fine. Maybe you can buy a bigger nightstand if you need to, but new bedside furniture is way down on my priority list. As many people have said: I am quite certain that the Boom would sound better than the Radio in a blind listening test. However, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THE RADIO SOUNDS BAD. Lots of folks who were part of the Radio beta program have said that the Radio is comparable to stuff that I *have* heard and liked, such as the Tivoli One. Doesn't mean that YOU have to like it, but it doesn't make my liking it any less valid. If you would stop using such phrases as cripple my audio player, you would be taken more seriously. And maybe $100 dollars (not including the battery pack) is no big deal to you, but to other people, it can be the difference between I can afford this and I can't afford this. (I'm assuming that if someone has seriously considered the Boom, the portability factor is not an overriding concern, so the extra $50 for the battery pack is moot.) I'd love to have a Boom or two for various places around the house, but I just can't justify $300 right now for a smallish self-contained streaming music player that is tied to a wall outlet. But I CAN justify $250 for the smaller Radio and its battery pack; the size and the portability are big enough positives to tip the scales. If I don't like the sound, I'll send it back and keep looking. But please feel free to buy all the Booms you want - they do sound great and it helps keeps the Logitech SMBU profitable, and hopefully keeps you happy with good music. Isn't that what it's all about anyway? -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68947 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why so many rude comments?
MrSinatra;468546 Wrote: i have no beef against mono sources, like say the beatles mono set. but if i listen to that, it won't be on this silly sbradio, it'll be on some kind of stereo which is geared towards music. ... thats fair enough, but my point is that is incredibly niche imo, and even then not suitable for music, talk only. seems to me the SBC suits that scenario better. There are tons of places in my house where I want to listen to music that don't qualify as suitable for music - the kitchen, washing dishes; the garage, working on the car; the back porch, enjoying the almost-always-beautiful SoCal weather; etc, etc. Headphones are not an option in these places, but portability is paramount. The non-silly SB Radio looks just like what the Dr. ordered for me, and likely for lots of folks that don't require that all of our music listening be in stereo. If you're not one of those people, fine; but it's rather presumptious to assume that your biases prevail. Maybe if you had said I personally can't stand listening to music from a mono-only source... you wouldn't be getting the reaction you're getting. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68947 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why so many rude comments?
MrSinatra;468841 Wrote: i'm getting the reaction i'm getting b/c some people can't stand any criticism of slim stuff, and others have long standing beef with me. if i believe the sbradio is dopey, thats my right, and if others disagree, thats their right. but i do back up why i feel that way and simply having a negative view on something slim offers is not troll behavior, nor reason to attack me. I think you're getting the reaction you're getting because you've been saying stuff like: MrSinatra;468514 Wrote: if anyone were to buy this thing to listen to music, i'd think they should have their head examined, (or at least their hearing). even a mono music source doesn't get justice on a tiny thing like this. i mean come on, this thing is simply not geared to music, lets not argue the obvious. and MrSinatra;468546 Wrote: but my point is that is incredibly niche imo, and even then not suitable for music, talk only. seems to me the SBC suits that scenario better. Seriously, are we to laugh or cry at this? Obviously you have the complete right to your opinions; but despite occasional claims of jmho, you're strongly asserting that people who don't share your opinions should have their head examined and this thing is simply not geared for music. I think it has been demonstrated by the replies in this thread that there are a lot of sane people, who appreciate quality music reproduction, that have heard highly musical reproduction of stereo music through mono systems; who value having a medium-fidelity, highly portable SB streamer; who are not well served by attaching headphones to an SBC; and who are not claiming that their opinions are more-or-less universal truths (you didn't say those words, but it's a pretty fair summation of the totality of your posts on this subject). I'm not trying to argue with you at all, and I'm not trying to convince you that your position is wrong FOR YOU; but your position is wrong for a lot of other people, and you are doing them a disservice by your thoughtless comments such as should have their heads examined. Hope you take this post in the constructive criticism spirit in which it is intended. Your comments haven't seemed trollish at all to me, just less-well-thought-out than they could be... -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68947 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why so many rude comments?
MrSinatra;467944 Wrote: (altho i personally think the radio is one stupid product, and transporter ridiculously overpriced) I can't fathom your lack of love for the SB Radio. What's not to like? Compact, tote-able package; the forthcoming battery pack for true mobility; great sound (according to the beta testers - I haven't heard it yet); the color display; and an extremely affordable price. The only knock I've heard on it is the lack of stereo, and that shouldn't be much of a problem in that small a package - mono output is fine. Actually, I'll rephrase my question at the top: what's not to LOVE? I predict the Radio will be a big hit, and almost certainly will be the product that moves me to a multi-Squeezebox household in the near future. The Transporter, on the other hand, is an extremely niche product. I have no idea how much the markup on it is, but it's probably a lot. But if it were priced a lot less expensively, it would not appeal to a significant segment of the audiophile market because they would refuse to believe that it was any good at that price. (An aside: when did the woo-woo fringe take over audiophile country? Back in the '70s and '80s, in the glory days of Stereo Review magazine featuring the hardnosed engineer Julian Hirsch as their equipment maven, there was an emphasis on scientific method: what differences can be reliably distinguished in listening tests? how do those differences correlate to measurable characteristics of equipment? how do we test to minimize listener bias? Etc.; for example, Hirsch was one of the first to debunk the myths of gourmet speaker cables. You could go into your local hi-fi store and assemble a decent system, with components from good manufacturers, for a decent price. Nowadays, the middle-priced high-quality stereo equipment market seems to have gone the way of the dodo, and most of the information out there - certainly the magazines - seem to be written by woo-woo charlatans.) -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68947 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Why so many rude comments?
I have a simple system: SB3 (SD branded), iMac running MacOS 10.5.x. Absolutely smooth, including mySB integration. I really like the new preference pane for the server. I feel for the folks that have had problems, but I strongly suspect they are a small minority (recognizing though that it's still a problem). -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68947 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Future of Squeezebox Classic
dBerriff;455311 Wrote: In my humble opinion, Logitech can fiddle around all they want with the front-end (and I believe they already have the best solutions) but if the ripping/tagging/WiFi/distribution back-end stays as it is then the various Squeeze devices will remain a mail-order only (I speak for the UK) niche product. I think that just PLAYING MUSIC AT ANYTHING ABOVE LOW FIDELITY is a niche market right now. For the most part, people are listening to low-fi all-in-one stereo systems, either via CDs or by plugging in their iPods, or maybe playing music back from CDs or iPod on their $299 home-theater-in-a-box system. Few people have the patience to either buy or hook up even a modest hi-fidelity (note I am NOT using the oft-pejorative term audiophile) system. So I think that the market for any network music player is somewhat limited. That's why the iTunes integration is so important - most people who have digital music collections only have them because they wanted to get their existing CD collection onto their iPods. I think that the Radio in particular may be the breakout product; it's cheap enough ($199) so that people will buy it without much agony. As long as SqueezeCenter's iTunes integration continues to work reasonably well, it will not be a big effort. Then they'll start figuring out what they are missing and start looking at the Touch, Boom, etc. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iTunes going DRM Free
iPhone;380341 Wrote: But greed and losing some market share to Amazon finally killed Apple DRM. Actually, Apple has been trying to get rid of DRM for a couple of years now, but the labels wouldn't go along with it (except some of EMI) because they were trying to wring concessions out of Apple, specifically variable pricing. Looks like Apple finally decided that the tradeoff was worth it. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57768 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Fixing iTunes downloaded cover art
tony79;378658 Wrote: Why was it enough for you to embed the artwork only in the first track? Well, if you look at the log files in the original thread, SqueezeCenter was only looking at the first track for each album for artwork, so I only embedded the artwork in the first track. I may go ahead and embed all of them, though - the extra disk space isn't much. But it may be moot soon; I'm starting on a project to re-rip everything to FLAC using Max, then batch convert to AAC-192kbps for iPod / iTunes. But that's another story... -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53413 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Fixing iTunes downloaded cover art
I had the problem where 7.3 did NOT find the artwork I downloaded via iTunes for my ripped CDs. (See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56399 for the thread in the SqueezeCenter forum.) Since I'm on a Mac, I ended up using the Embed Artwork AppleScript (http://dougscripts.com/itunes/scripts/ss.php?sp=embedart) from Doug's AppleScripts to embed the artwork in the first track of each album. See the referenced thread for all the details. I should turn this into a bug report... -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53413 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shuffle algorithm
pippin;300323 Wrote: Can you describe what a similar but not identical random sequence is? You are correct, my car radio plays IDENTICAL sequenced. But I don't fully understand what you mean, then. To have similar sequences is not necessarily a correlation, a correlations means predictability. Correlation does NOT mean predictability: the most common statistical meaning of correlation is the Pearson correlation coefficient, which is what I have been referring to here (see http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CorrelationCoefficient.html if you want the gory details). The amount of correlation between two random variables measures the linear dependence of those two random variables, but does not imply prediction (the post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy). If I spoke Perl (I don't - I'm a Python hacker), I would dig into the source and see what RNG gets used for the shuffle. But I don't feel like spending the time to learn enough Perl and learn the ins-and-outs of its RNG(s) to do that right now. I don't use shuffle mode for SqueezeCenter much anyway! -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47242 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shuffle algorithm
pippin;299889 Wrote: No. I have the same thing in my car radio. This is usually not a correlation thing, because you don't hear correlations, as soon as the first track is different you are on a completely new trail and don't tell me that you can hear a correlation like in 1 20 4 80 5 vs 2 40 8 160 10 What you describe usually is a bad randseed issue, that is: the same start value is used on consecutive rand sequences instead of using something like time() as a start value. I think you're mistaken here; if the RNG seed were the same, you'd get the SAME random number sequence. What I get with my iPod and dislike is similar but not identical random number sequences - a classic sign of correlation with the RNG (i.e., different seeds produce similar sequences). And yes, I can tell that, out of several thousand songs, I tend to hear the same ones in the first 100 or so. -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47242 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shuffle algorithm
pippin;298814 Wrote: Do you plan to encrypt something with the titles in your playlist? Otherwise even rand() should be good enough for shuffling. It's not the sorted order of an individual playlist that is the problem; I totally agree that rand() is good enough for that. What I really dislike is correlation in the successive random number sequences. For example, I like to use shuffle songs on my late 2004 4th gen iPod in my car; however, if I don't use the iPod over the weekend, it resets itself and on Monday morning, I select shuffle songs again. The new random playlist is strongly correlated with the last random playlist - I hear largely the same songs in not too far off from the same order. This is a classic case of correlation in the RNG. So, I was curious if the SqueezeCenter shuffle algorithm uses a good, uncorrelated RNG or not (and yes, I'm well aware that correlation is only one of many tests to determine the goodness of an RNG). -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47242 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Shuffle algorithm
But what algorithm produces the random numbers? Hopefully not the C rand() function! BTW, a member of the ANSI C committee once told me that the only thing rand is used for in C code is to decide whether to pick up the axe or throw the dwarf... - from Tim Peters, numerical methods wizard and Python hacker extraordinare -- kmr kmr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10664 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47242 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
