Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-23 Thread Bytec

I must say that my Duet just got better with SS v7.4!


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-22 Thread Nonreality

mlsstl;475637 Wrote: 
 get.amped wrote:
 
 That's quite a figure! You must have a very substantial music library.
 I've got something over 43,000 songs and a full scan on a relatively
 run-of-the-mill PC (with Linux OS) takes about 50 minutes.

Mines been great also.  I've got about 30k in tracks and less than an
hour now.  The new and update scan was about 10 minutes. I'm fine with
that.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-22 Thread HectorHughMunro

The 7.4.1 experience and current handset software for me has been really
good.  Faster, more stable, better BBC support, better organized.

Really excellent and a world away from my initial Duet experiences.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-21 Thread mlsstl

get.amped wrote:
 ...9 hours per full scan
That's quite a figure! You must have a very substantial music library.
I've got something over 43,000 songs and a full scan on a relatively
run-of-the-mill PC (with Linux OS) takes about 50 minutes.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-20 Thread pablolie

Thanks for the pointer.

As a sports motorcycle rider myself I actually have the stuff around,
so that is convenient. 

I will decide what to do. I also have enough SB3s around the house to
reshuffle them if I feel like it for cosmetic reasons.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-20 Thread AndreE

Today morning I woke up and wanted listening music... just something
calm
And... all my receivers were in this funky greenish light.
I’ve re-set one receiver and controller together, but... stopped doing
for others.
It was a sadness and frustration in my heart.
You know how long it takes to get it restarted and connected
And first what I had: was a announcement about one of the stations,
than this fancy song time counter on the controller and no song coming
out of my speakers, but just a silence. 
I had to switch between stations twice before it started playing
music... and it was a time to leave.
This was very frustrating... this greenish eyes silently watching on
you...


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-20 Thread TiredLegs

peterw;474720 Wrote: 
 IIRC, Mike Valera (web monkey for Logi/Slim Devices before the global
 economic downturn trimmed the Logitech SMBU payroll) recommended
 Meguiar's plastic polish products for touching up such stuff.
As an aside, Meguiar's plastic polish is also excellent for buffing up
lightly scratched CDs.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-20 Thread get . amped

Frankly, I'm cautious about *all* software upgrades at this stage in the
game. I've got over 25 years of hands-on, professional IT experience and
I tend to push my own gear way beyond the limit of reasonable duty cycle
and resource utilization. And one reason that it continues to work for
me is that I'm very particular about what software and which version
gets loaded on each platform. I review every patch that's released from
each vendor and do a risk assessment based on the advantages that the
patch provides against the potential havoc that it may cause. For major
releases (OS service packs, etc.) I generally wait several months before
upgrading and even then I'll migrate essential functionality to another
machine before applying it. 

With the Squeezebox software I stayed with 6.5 until 7.3.2 provided
sufficient stability to make it the new plateau. I was force to regress
to 6.5 several times before then. And, given that it takes almost an
entire day to do an upgrade followed by a retrograde (9 hours per full
scan), it is not something that I am going to take on lightly.
Fortunately, I am in a position to wait since I really don't use the
resource formerly called SqueezeNetwork. But I truly feel for those
customers who were forced to upgrade either by the requirements of the
device or their reliance on the on-line services.

Maybe by the time 7.5.1 is released it will be worth considering...


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-20 Thread gharris999

get.amped;474966 Wrote: 
 ...the resource formerly called SqueezeNetwork...Maybe by the 8.0 release 
 they'll have changed the SN name to an
unpronounceable glyph.  The time will be just about right for the
release of a '#9794;' app too.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-20 Thread maggior

gharris999;475074 Wrote: 
 Maybe by the 8.0 release they'll have changed the SN name to an
 unpronounceable glyph.  The time will be just about right for the
 release of a '#9794;' app too.

...and it will be commonly referred to as the software formerly know
as SqueezeCenter.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-20 Thread qirex

honestly I think the biggest problem is that Logitech sent out an email
announcing it the instant it was available. Having dealt with .0
releases before I assumed they'd done something different as far as
testing and upgraded right away. Fortunately factory resetting my SBC
fixed most of my problems but it took me a while to figure that out. 

Basically they should have a) waited a while to see if there were any
game-breakers before sending a marketing email to everybody and b)
informed existing users about the upcoming major changes better. From
the email I was just expecting they'd renamed Squeezenetwork and
shoehorned some apps in somewhere for buzzword compliance.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread AndreE

Pascal Hibon? you've brought valid point.
It was the same for me. I've evaluated Squeeze Philosophy against Sonos
and some others, coming to the market.

It is exactly the Philosophy and the ideas and community behind were
main selling points for me as well,
but now
it raises concern about the way how rapidly software market and its
good products are sliding to ship and forget way of dealing with
customers.

Logitech is a great company - they know how to make good products and
how to deliver them to the market. It just looks like the target group
for Duet and some other new in the family is a bit different to what
Logitech used to have - this may be an issue and may require a learning
curve.

I really hope that Product management is reading this forum, at least
time-to tome.

and it is correct: Christmas is coming - it should be perfect by that
time, otherwise it may be a big problem afterwards. Net-Radio and music
definitely take off - and Logitech wants to be at the market maker area.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread bradcook

Strange - this is exactly teh same sort of behaviour I was having.

I installed 7.4.0 and started having problems with the SBR in the
kitchen (the SB2 in the lounge is always rock solid).

Blue light disconnecting... coming back white ... no sound - even
though the controller was showing the track as playing ... even worse
was that the SBR started playing all by itself at 7.30 one morning.

So - frustrated went back to 7.3.4.

All was OK for a a few days until yesterday when exactly the same
behaviour started happening again. No music even after much muttering,
cursing, pressing play, pressing next, pressing previous etc etc etc.

Out of desperation I unplugged the SBR from the power, waited 30
seconds, plugged it back in - and Bingo - Music is back in our life.

So i guess my forced power removal reset the XILIX ?


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread Phil Leigh

bradcook;474369 Wrote: 
 Strange - this is exactly teh same sort of behaviour I was having.
 
 I installed 7.4.0 and started having problems with the SBR in the
 kitchen (the SB2 in the lounge is always rock solid).
 
 Blue light disconnecting... coming back white ... no sound - even
 though the controller was showing the track as playing ... even worse
 was that the SBR started playing all by itself at 7.30 one morning.
 
 So - frustrated went back to 7.3.4.
 
 All was OK for a a few days until yesterday when exactly the same
 behaviour started happening again. No music even after much muttering,
 cursing, pressing play, pressing next, pressing previous etc etc etc.
 
 Out of desperation I unplugged the SBR from the power, waited 30
 seconds, plugged it back in - and Bingo - Music is back in our life.
 
 So i guess my forced power removal reset the XILIX ?

No - a power shutoff won't reset the xilinx (it MIGHT corrupt it
though...)


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread TiredLegs

bradcook;474369 Wrote: 
 So i guess my forced power removal reset the XILIX ?See here for how to reset 
 Xilinx:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Hardware_Reset_commands#Reset_Audio_Hardware_.28aka_Xilinx_Reset.29


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread erland

Mnyb;474056 Wrote: 
 A larger group of beta testers are needed, sometimes i wonder if I'm
 completely alone with my choice of OS and hardware (clarkconnect 4.2 on
 mini itx via-epia ).
 It is naturally so that bug's slips by when all user cases are not
 covered by logitech and/or beta testers.
 The full exposure to the whole userbase will flush out more bugs.
 
As far as I know Squeezebox Server 7.4 beta has been available for
installation for everyone since 7.3.0 was released, Logitech constantly
also recommend people with problems to install the latest beta version.
The problem is that everyone doesn't want to participate in beta
testing, some just like to have a stable system and listen to their
music.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread AndreE

erland;474437 Wrote: 
 The problem is that everyone doesn't want to participate in beta
 testing, some just like to have a stable system and listen to their
 music.

Hi erland,

is is a valid point. I would be glad to, but only when I have time
Most of the time my family is using devices, sorry would like to use
it? but has an issue. If I do not reboot each receiver and controller in
the morning - there is no music at my house.
If I would get pair of extra devices with some significant discount as
a Beta program package - why not, I will be filling all bug reports and
perform even predefined tests - would be glad to do, but paying some
hundreds I would expect it would be working.

and this would be fine when it is a community type of the development,
but Logitech is a bg company with very well established
processes and known and proved quality records!!! 

Would you mind to have a keyboard, which may give you different
keystrokes depending on the firmware?
I do not think so ;-)
When you buy a mass product - it should work
If you target big audience - it is a clear indication from the amount
of partnership programs lunched recently - this should be out of the box
working solution with no ongoing hassles.

I would not be so mush surprised if Duet and some other troubling
products would be removed from the market, sorry, replaced by more
advanced ones and all investment we’ve made into our audio-live will
buried in the dust. Looking on the differences in the architecture and
solutions - it looks like it may happen - too many and too radical
changes are happening.

And - many people were reporting problems. 
Who of us was followed by the development with the request and
clarified the set-up, parameters and other staff? 
No one, may be few. 
This was in good old time, when it was a community product.

Unless they have a direct access to each device - I would be glad it is
a case and all problems are resolved after some time without any touch
to the remote. This would be a great thing!
Let’s hope that Logitech is really working hard on resolving what needs
to be resolved and will not dump Duet and will surprise us with the
solution we like and are proud again.

And you know, we will bring more and continues money flow to Logitech
account purchasing different services and enjoying the music at out
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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread Roger66

AndreE;474477 Wrote: 
 ... but Logitech is a bg company with very well established
 processes and known and proved quality records!!! 

Really ?

What about the mouseware 2007/2008, where logitech wasn't able for
month (!) to deliver a mouseware not producing an error message EACH
time when the pc what shut down ?

(Former) Slimdevices staff is at least listening to their customers, as
you can see here in this forum ! And they try their very best to fix the
(o.k.: still much too high) amount of bugs.

IMHO big mama logitech is forcing SD people to release their software
to early, and the employees have to pay for here, in reading f.e. pablos
(still understandable) lines of hate and many other posts like this.

Not too nice, for both customers AND SD people ...

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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread gharris999

I'm finding a very interesting correlation here.  The odds that 7.4.x
will be capable of playing any given track in my collection (ALL of
which were playable under 7.3.x) seem to be inversely proportional to
Logitech's PE ratio.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread pablolie

The problem with 7.4.0, it seems, is that it is still a beta release but
delivered as a semi-mandatory stable upgrade. And that was a mistake.
If it had been optional, and there had been a warning, I would have no
right to overly complain.

Since it was forced upon me given the fact I have hisotrically used
mySB.com, heck, I can be bitter. And when the solution is hey, go to
7.4.1, which is a *true* beta nightly, you know that there is a weird
release situation going on.

Since I initiated the topic, I also need to say I have calmed down. I
understand the pressure the developers are on and all, and I want them
to know I carry no personal gurdge against them whatsoever. But also, as
customer since 2005, I have never knocked a device against a wall in
frustration. The SB3 now has a little dent and a few scratches as a
result of a silly momentary overreaction that only affects me in the
end. 

But I think caution is advisable as 8.0 and the Touch and more
aggressive schedules loom to get ready for Xmas... I have no idea how
they are going to deal with it, but I will be increasingly bitter if my
music experience gets affected over time.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread maggior

I'm glad to see that you've calmed down.  I was extermemly frustrated
when I purchased the Duet a little over a year ago.  I really felt let
down, escpecially since I went out of my way to sing the product's
praises!

I got over it and didn't let it kill my enthusiasm for the product. 
I'm just more cautious now with SW releases that I'll install.  I will
also not jump onto any new hardware products - especially since I don't
need any at this point.

Given your situation, pehaps you should evaluate your need for using
mySB.  Given what I've read here, I have no plans to move to 7.4 - I
don't have the time and I'd much rather spend my time enjoying my many
recent music purchases :-).  I was concerned though that I'd lose the
use of Slacker, which my kids listen to a lot.  I can still access it
even though I'm running 7.3.3 - I just access it via services rather
than by switching my player to mySB (or whatever it's called now).

Is there any way you can get by with 7.3.3?


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http://www.last.fm/user/maggior
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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread radish

gfuchs;474065 Wrote: 
 If they want more beta testers, I would be happy to buy a Touch if they
 would let me.
 Greg
 (waving a credit card in the air)

This is about SC/SBS releases, anyone can beta test those for free :)


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread pablolie

Let me be clear: I would not have bought all the products you see in my
sig line unless I loved the concept and potential and on 99.99% of the
time execution on the product. I remain a big fan of the concept. I have
always irrationally loved playing music of my historically very reliable
SB3s (I did some nightly beta stuff in 6.x, but have not since, sorry, I
have a stressful day job and have interests on the side).

My meltdown is something that happens when you get in the way of my
self-rewarding ego and its ability to get a music fix. Sorry. But not
really. It *is* an emotional area for some of us, which is why we came
to pick quality products early on.

So I am worried, especially looking at the looming release of 8.0 and
the fact I wanted to upgrade my main player (the one that has the
scratches now) to a Touch...


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-19 Thread peterw

pablolie;474706 Wrote: 
 upgrade my main player (the one that has the scratches now)

IIRC, Mike Valera (web monkey for Logi/Slim Devices before the global
economic downturn trimmed the Logitech SMBU payroll) recommended
Meguiar's plastic polish products for touching up such stuff.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread snarlydwarf

pablolie;473772 Wrote: 
 I am sorry I had to vent. I had to. What I experienced was shockingly
 frustrating. In many years, and with all the devices I have, I had never
 ever seen an SB3 claim it was playing music when in fact the SBS didn't
 even know it was present or active. 

Actually, I have seen that behavior many times going back to 6.3.

Reseting the box and/or Xilinx has fixed it.

It's hardly new to 7.4, but I've never been able to make it fail in a
reproducable way.

There are numerous threads here about such failures, dating back
years.. I don't think anyone else has been able to reproduce it on
demand.

Being effectively a random occurence makes it a very hard bug to fix
which is why it has been around for years.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread pablolie

snarlydwarf;473774 Wrote: 
 Actually, I have seen that behavior many times going back to 6.3.
 ...
 Being effectively a random occurence makes it a very hard bug to fix
 which is why it has been around for years.

I had never observed it. But if that is the case, once the dust settles
(and my friend stop haggling me about it when I was trying to play a new
jazz album I got, him being one of the only CDs are worthy crowd) I
will stop associating the failure with the advent of 7.4. So perhaps it
is a coincidence, and a behavior I shall not see again in years.

I should note I performed a Xilinx and factory reset for the SB3s when
I installed the stable 7.4 release...

My SB world got shaken badly today, that's all.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread Mnyb

Xilink reset had to be done sometimes, i think sometimes something goes
wrong with the fw update and you have to reset and sometimes it's a
random occurrence.

Stay tuned to to experience the even rarer distorted sound on full
volume bug .

Murphys law clearly predicts failure in such situations when you try to
show of your stuff for friends ;)

Btw use 7.4.1 and do clean install if possible saves your fragile
nerves if more rants are expected.

The x.x.0 release is always a little buggy just pick up the x.x.1 two
weeks later and all is fine . There must be some kind of law regarding
sw releases the beta and the .1 bug fixed works nicely the release
version don't ? 

Amazingly sbs 7.4 did not fail me on my 40th birthday party with 10
guest at home :) This is normally when the server melts or something.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread JJZolx

snarlydwarf;473774 Wrote: 
 Actually, I have seen that behavior many times going back to 6.3.

Same here.  Many, many times.  Has nothing to do with 7.4.  Maybe a
glitch during the firmware update process on that player, which
happens.

I've always said that it seems more than a little odd the server thinks
that it's streaming and that music is playing, while the player
obviously knows that it isn't.  Don't they communicate??  Usually you
see the track progress indicator moving in the web interface, but
nothing on the player.

If this happened on only one of six players, it should be fairly
apparent that it's a player issue and that troubleshooting at the player
level is called for.  First you cycle the player's power.  If that
doesn't work you do a factory reset.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread JJZolx

pablolie;473776 Wrote: 
 I should note I performed a Xilinx and factory reset for the SB3s when I
 installed the stable 7.4 release...

You mean you just did this as a matter of course, before you began to
have problems?  Why???

 My SB world got shaken badly today, that's all.

I honestly don't know what I'd do if my SB world got shaken.  Maybe
counseling is available.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread MrSinatra

JJZolx;473800 Wrote: 
 I honestly don't know what I'd do if my SB world got shaken.  Maybe
 counseling is available.

haha!  that must be the secret next mysb.com logitech service,
squeezetherapy

squeezerehab?  deprogram your squeezaddiction.

when new software is released that fails for you: lower your
squeezepectations.

ok, i'll stop.  ;)


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread sebp

JJZolx;473799 Wrote: 
 Same here.  Many, many times.  Has nothing to do with 7.4.  Maybe a
 glitch during the firmware update process on that player, which happens.
I've also seen that several times at home since 6.5.
Yes, it's both surprising and frustrating, but a power reset generally
cures the problem, although I once had to do a Xilinx reset on my SB3 to
get it back actually playing something through its outputs.

As far as I can remember, no 7.x.0 release ever went smoothly for
everybody.
There are just far too many different use cases for beta testers and QA
to detect all the bugs lying around...


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread peechus

just logged in to see if others are 7.4 overwhelmed with futility.  i've
called customer support so many times it's no longer the bums rush...
they just hang up on me when they discover it's peechus again. the last
time , i waited 10 minutes for a green techie then 4 or 5  'scuze me
while i [fill in the blanks]  then was told tier two or something like
that would be in touch. not! i am planning to upgrade to the transporter
. should i wait till this 7.4 is settled ? is this a sb3 issue and my
transporter purchase is safe? thanks, peechus.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread Pascal Hibon

I have waited until yesterday to upgrade from 7.3.3 to 7.4.1 nightly
build. I must say that I’m very pleased with the result. It is obvious
that Logitech did a lot of work on this release. For sure there were
quite a lot of bugs, but that was to be expected from such a major
change. There is one bug I discovered but I can live with it until the
developers fix it. 

One thing that one could say is that Logitech maybe better postponed
the official 7.4.0 release a few weeks. But it is what it is now, and
maybe the early release has put more pressure on the bug fixing process.
I believe there is something positive in everything. 

Anyway, I’m liking 7.4.1 a lot.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread Mnyb

Pascal Hibon;474044 Wrote: 
 I have waited until yesterday to upgrade from 7.3.3 to 7.4.1 nightly
 build. I must say that I’m very pleased with the result. It is obvious
 that Logitech did a lot of work on this release. For sure there were
 quite a lot of bugs, but that was to be expected from such a major
 change. There is one bug I discovered but I can live with it until the
 developers fix it. 
 
 One thing that one could say is that Logitech maybe better postponed
 the official 7.4.0 release a few weeks. But it is what it is now, and
 maybe the early release has put more pressure on the bug fixing process.
 I believe there is something positive in everything. 
 
 Anyway, I’m liking 7.4.1 a lot.

A larger group of beta testers are needed, sometimes i wonder if I'm
completely alone with my choice of OS and hardware (clarkconnect 4.2 on
mini itx via-epia ).
It is naturally so that bug's slips by when all user cases are not
covered by logitech and/or beta testers.
The full exposure to the whole userbase will flush out more bugs.

slimdevices used to have bug finding events with prices if i remember
correctly.

One idea could be : run a beta version find and report 5 new bugs get a
coffe cup/T-shirt or other trinket, the user reporting most bugs in a
beta software during a specified period gets a Touch ?


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread gfuchs

If they want more beta testers, I would be happy to buy a Touch if they
would let me.
Greg
(waving a credit card in the air)


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread ModelCitizen

Pascal Hibon;474044 Wrote: 
 I believe there is something positive in everything. Anyway, I’m liking
 7.4.1 a lot.
I'm very much looking forward to the positive effects of a third world
war.

MC


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread Mnyb

ModelCitizen;474068 Wrote: 
 I'm very much looking forward to the positive effects of a third world
 war.
 
 MC

No more humans , reboot of evolution new cool animals to emerge in a
couple of million years :)


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread AndreE

I was reading all these posts with a smile... and grief

first three emotional posts were exactly what I have experienced in my
case.

most probably I am one of those who recently stepped into the game,
purchased quite a number of devices, just could configure them... and
got 7.4.0 installed
I still have no active local server and as a result was promoted to new
release voluntarily ;-)

my frustration was ... let's say also high.
now it is better - i know - I am not alone on this path... and ... it
does not help so...

some of mentioned issues appear in my case on regular base and some are
really easy to reproduce. 
it is reduced menu and missing go back to Squeeze net menu entry
and many others... 
as well as the counter on the remote showing the progress when all
receivers have greenish light
and not only...

but how I can bring this back to Logitech?
how to make it available to Developers... and are they interesting to
get my experience?

being in software business for many-many years I've seen some
acquisitions, where great products, designed for one purpose, were
targeted to another market segment... 
and you know, it was not always easy and great idea, or even successful
move. Many were, but not all.

I truly believe and really hope that Duet would recover from this
downturn.
I truly wish it happening because I am one of those few (most likely
many) customers who suffers from this and who NEED this happening

the competition - is a big driver
market is very dynamic - no question
but users' trust - it is a great value, and it is better to wait a bit
longer, but bring mature product to the market where no visible or
harmful issues are.
there is no any product without bugs - it is normal, but there are
different bugs
some are - postpone Release to customer Date type !

and... my plans to expand my set-up are also on freeze and... I've
stopped advising this product... because, you know... 
it is very embarrassing to see someone who has troubles with your
advice and... you cannot help and ... 
this person had a great trust to your words, which are turned into the
dust at one day by some you have no influence to...
trust and loyalty are the great value

PS
typing on Logitech keyboard and using Logitech mouse, but not using
Logitech speakers and... thinking about Duet


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-18 Thread Pascal Hibon

I guess that most of us know that this was initially a product line made
by a company called Slimdevices. The idea behind the product was to
provide great hardware and software that provides excellent audio
quality in the emerging digital audio age. And they did that in a
“community” kinda world. Since its beginning, the software platform has
been open source and DYI’ers were stimulated in building custom server
designs, tweaking the software, and even tweaking the hardware. The
whole system was intended for people who wanted an excellent audio
system where they could have their fair part of hands-on. 
Now that this company has been bought by Logitech, I think it is
struggling a bit with the Slimdevices philosophy. Logitech is not used
to bringing products to the market that are partially built by their
customers. For example, I’m pretty sure that in the Slimdevices age, it
was way easier to postpone a software and or hardware release. In the
Logitech world, where there are CEO’s, VP’s, Sales Directors, etc ,
postponing a release is not what they want to hear. Both philosophies
(Slimdevices – Logitech) are not compatible. Logitech will need to find
its way to cope with this fact or they will start loosing customers.  
Myself, I bought my first SB3 after evaluation this system against
Sonos. Slimdevices came out as a big winner for me, partially due to
Slimdevices philosophy. I don’t mind to be an “involuntary beta tester”
from time to time. It is part of the Slimdevices experience. And I know
I can always go back to a previous and stable system. I understand this
is not the case for everyone and this is where Logitech needs to work
on.


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[slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-17 Thread pablolie

...and it was a major embarrassment for the product.

My main SB3 now disappeared. It is not playing music even though it
claims it is. But is is not showing up on SBS or my mySB.com. It's in
limbo.

This is the worst SB showing ever. It never ever behaved this weirdly
before. With a *cough* stable release. 

Damn this. I am going back to 7.3.

And I am stating, as a SB customer since 2005, that I am not buying
more squeeze products. My purchase plans are on total hold.

This was utterly embarrassing.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-17 Thread pablolie

I had to power off the SB3 and power it back up. 

Utterly and totally unacceptable.

I have spent a lot of money of SB products, and I am now going to plan
a migration strategy to another product. 

This is totally *^%$$! ridiculous. This is NOT the way to my audio
future, to have my main audio worship center disappear randomly until I
reboot the system by powering it off and then up, while all the while it
is claiming to be playing music.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-17 Thread pablolie

For the record, this was my only time ever being so pissed off I knocked
the SB3 to the wall with no regard as to whether it would ever work
again. When it started playing again after I just powered it down I was
disgusted with the fact that until that point of time it had claimed to
be active and playing, and wasting my time troubleshooting every aspect
of my main audio system making me fear something had blown a fuse. I
really thought my $25k chain was broken when in fact this was uhm just
a case of 7.4 random behavior.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-17 Thread pablolie

And in case anyone thinks I am an irrational hater, I keep track of the
fact that exactly 49 households I know got SB products based on my
endorsement. And they may in turn have converted other people. So I am
NOT the enemy. I just resent the fact for the first time EVER I was made
to look like a total ass trying to entertain out of my main audio
system, the worship center.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-17 Thread pski

pablolie;473714 Wrote: 
 I had to power off the SB3 and power it back up. 
 
 Utterly and totally unacceptable.
 
 I have spent a lot of money of SB products, and I am now going to plan
 a migration strategy to another product. 
 
 This is totally *^%$$! ridiculous. This is NOT the way to my audio
 future, to have my main audio worship center disappear randomly until I
 reboot the system by powering it off and then up, while all the while it
 is claiming to be playing music.

Thank you for your posting so many messages to yourself..

Over and out. Perhaps you will acquire a measure of technical ability.

P


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-17 Thread pablolie

pski;473733 Wrote: 
 Thank you for your posting so many messages to yourself..
 
 Over and out. Perhaps you will acquire a measure of technical ability.
 
 P

You are a fool. I have been a customer for years and have configured
more boxes than you ever have on both Windows and Linux.

I can live with the fact uncritical SB groupies don't like my outburst.
The simple fact is that it had never ever happened to me I could not
play music on an SB3 while it was displaying it did. 

It was only when I ran up upstairs to check the server that I saw the
SB3 had disappeared from SBS and mySB.com. Very odd to see a SB claim it
is playing music in front of your face...

Something is very broken in the guts of 7.4 for this to happen.


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...pablo
Server: Shuttle X27 - Ubuntu 9.04 - SBS 7.4
Sources: SB3 (3), SB Boom (3), Duet, Accuphase DP65v CD
Amplifier: Accuphase E306v - Creek OBH21/22
Loudspeakers: Ceeroy 3-way tower (tuned) - Audioengine 5/S8 - Acoustic
Energy Aego M
Headphones: Grado SR-1

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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-17 Thread Pat Farrell
pablolie wrote:
 Something is very broken in the guts of 7.4 for this to happen.

I had a lot of problems with my Debian server during the upgrade from
7.3 to 7.4, but since I am a beta tester, I could deal with it. But even
with that, I was a bit surprised at the transfer. I expect that for more
mainstream server OS, i.e. Winders, it was a lot cleaner.

I entered bugzilla entries, and most of it got fixed. I'm working fine
now with all my SqueezeBoxen.

The Radio requires 7.4, but if you don't have one, I would recommend
waiting a bit for things to settle down.

Until then, I understand.

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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-17 Thread Mark Miksis

Please maintain a proper amount of respect and decorum.  If you are
having problems and want to ask other users for help, that's what the
forums are here for.  Even if you just want to vent about something that
doesn't seem to be working for you, that's fine.  

Personal attacks however will lead to closed threads and banned users. 
Thanks for your understanding and respect.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-17 Thread audiomuze

pfarrell;473763 Wrote: 
 The Radio requires 7.4, but if you don't have one, I would recommend
 waiting a bit for things to settle down.As a long time SB3 user I've learned 
 the hard way to stay away from
upgrades until they've had a good few months in the field.  When it
comes to enjoying your music there is no point in being an early adopter
because it too often ends in the kind of frustration expressed in this
thread.  Even then, I test any upgrade using a separate instance of SBS
before deploying it to my main music server.  It shouldn't be this way
with official releases, but unfortunately it is.  Pablo, you have my
sympathy too.


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Re: [slim] I officially declare my HATE for 7.4...

2009-10-17 Thread pablolie

I am sorry I had to vent. I had to. What I experienced was shockingly
frustrating. In many years, and with all the devices I have, I had never
ever seen an SB3 claim ti was playing music when in fact the SBS didn't
even know it was active. Anyone's troubleshooting activity is going to
be around the amplifier and DA if the SB3 claims it is playing music, at
least for a while until finally it slowly dawns on one there is
something very odd happening, and that the SB3 maybe is acting in a way
it hadn't in nearly 4 years of ownership. And it is especially
unfortunate given the fact that the SB3 is my most trusted playing
device, and the one I expected to be the most stable. 7.4.0 has changed
that.

These forums are for people to both praise (which I have done a lot in
the past) and to vent (which I have done today). 

There is no right or wrong way of using them, and no one can tell
others what to write or not write.

But I do not like the fact that now I feel I can not rely on the SB3s
to reliably play music the way it always have. It shocks me because it
is no the SB universe I have always known. The SB3s have always been
stable (as have been the Booms), occasional hickups excepted, but never
claiming they play music when they are not even registered with the SBS.

And for someone to react telling me it was lack of technical
proficiency on my part was unconditional SB groupiness and Logitech
brown-nosing at its worst.

I am not happy that I have to complain and vent. But I think the
development needs to hear, loud and clear, that a long time supporter of
the product line is, for the first time, ready to look for an
alternative; because the one thing I can not accept is that my enjoyment
of listening to music is ruined. The fancy pics and user interfaces and
colors and what not... sure, it is nice. But never ever *ever*
compromise the products' ability to play music.

And with this message I have ranted sufficiently. I have picked up the
SB3 from the floor and am happy it didn't break. 

And now I will observe,and next time know that I can not trust the
SB3's display when it claims to be playing music. Sadly.

Rant over.


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...pablo
Server: Shuttle X27 - Ubuntu 9.04 - SBS 7.4
Sources: SB3 (3), SB Boom (3), Duet, Accuphase DP65v CD
Amplifier: Accuphase E306v - Creek OBH21/22
Loudspeakers: Ceeroy 3-way tower (tuned) - Audioengine 5/S8 - Acoustic
Energy Aego M
Headphones: Grado SR-1

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