Re: [slim] Multi Room Solution - need some thoughts, alternatives?

2021-04-16 Thread d6jg

Redrum wrote: 
> it does seem that way, and I have a dim memory of solving it at one time
> as I was attracted to the DAC32. Right now my PC and phone are using the
> same wifi and therefore ISP. I'll take my phone out of range and
> try...when it stops raining :). I also pm'ed polyvection
> 
> Jim

PolyVection have said they have 2 more products to release. One is
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Re: [slim] Multi Room Solution - need some thoughts, alternatives?

2021-04-16 Thread Redrum


Paul Webster wrote: 
> That has the same symptoms as a local ad blocker or something like
> Pi-hole blacklisting the site.

it does seem that way, and I have a dim memory of solving it at one time
as I was attracted to the DAC32. Right now my PC and phone are using the
same wifi and therefore ISP. I'll take my phone out of range and
try...when it stops raining :). I also pm'ed polyvection

Jim



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Re: [slim] Multi Room Solution - need some thoughts, alternatives?

2021-04-16 Thread Paul Webster


Redrum wrote: 
> not for me here in the US using firefox, chrome, and a couple android
> browsers. Crome and firefox error: DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN 
> 
> I'll contact polyvection either through a forum pm or their website
> about US avail
> 
> Jim

That has the same symptoms as a local ad blocker or something like
Pi-hole blacklisting the site.



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Re: [slim] Multi Room Solution - need some thoughts, alternatives?

2021-04-16 Thread Redrum


bpa wrote: 
> DAC32 is a product from Polyvection (http://www.polyvection.com ) and
> not vortexbox
> 
> edit:
> 
> Sorry I now see vortexbox sell DAC32 for outside the EU - vortexbox
> website works OK for me with firefox.

not for me here in the US using firefox, chrome, and a couple android
browsers. Crome and firefox error: DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN 

I'll contact polyvection either through a forum pm or their website
about US avail

Jim



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Re: [slim] Multi Room Solution - need some thoughts, alternatives?

2021-04-16 Thread bpa


Redrum wrote: 
> I was familiar with DAC32, and was thinking of buying one to play with,
> but here in the US, when I try to connect with
> https://www.vortexbox.co.uk/ it throws a "cannot connect" error.

DAC32 is a product from Polyvection (http://www.polyvection.com ) and
not vortexbox



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Re: [slim] Multi Room Solution - need some thoughts, alternatives?

2021-04-16 Thread Redrum


I was familiar with DAC32, and was thinking of buying one to play with,
but here in the US, when I try to connect with
https://www.vortexbox.co.uk/ it throws a "cannot connect" error. I tried
both Chrome and firefox. Not sure what's up. Just tried on my android
phone - also a no go. If you know who I can contact for US availability
for DAC32 that would be great.

Yea Paul, I was thinking squeezeamp as well. I am on the list and have a
couple coming for myself. I may contact Philippe for 2 more if it seems
like sb is the right solution for him.

I am just so myopic toward squeezebox, I was afraid that I was
overlooking something. The operative word for my friend is simple and
easy to use. He is familiar with the SB environment, so I think that
using group players for adding zone combos for him would work, rather
than using the standard sync and unsync.

Glad I am on the right track (it seems) thanks for your input

Jim



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Re: [slim] Multi Room Solution - need some thoughts, alternatives?

2021-04-16 Thread Paul Webster


mamema wrote: 
> search vor DAC32 or CORE32 in this forum. Then you can stay with your
> (good) tunnel vision and you get latest hw/sw

but you would still need an amp.

If you go with SqueezeAMP (and Philippe has just taken delivery of a
batch so there might be some still not ordered that could ship quickly
... perhaps the last ever batch from Philippe) then you get an amp built
in ... with a good chance that it will be able to directly drive his
homemade speakers (check electrical resistance).



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Re: [slim] Multi Room Solution - need some thoughts, alternatives?

2021-04-16 Thread mamema


search vor DAC32 or CORE32 in this forum. Then you can stay with your
(good) tunnel vision and you get latest hw/sw



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[slim] Multi Room Solution - need some thoughts, alternatives?

2021-04-16 Thread Redrum


Hi

Background first:

My brain is hardwired to squeezebox, and my audio equipment knowledge
interests are kind of old school electronics. So I'm not all that
objective and up on the latest "multi room" solutions available. I have
a friend who I setup with a touch running Tiny LMS last year. I recently
built (but have not installed yet) a pcP LMS (server only) for him to
improve on the tiny LMS limitations/end of life. He's not technical at
all, and frankly isn't that attentive when it comes to learning. As an
example - he never grasped using "zone 2" of his AV receiver for his
outdoor speakers and how to switch to zone 2 to change volume. So, I
have been working with him to greatly simplify things.

So we are replacing his multichannel AV Receiver (he says it's
defective, but could be user error)  with a 2 channel
receiver/integrated amp to drive 4 ceiling speakers. He has a pair of
outdoor speakers that I had planned on a small (30 wpc) analog amp (tape
monitor out to amp in). So the system would be touch and LMS to receiver
to small amp. The two amps would be co located as are all of those
speaker wires.

Here's the complication. He now wants to add two rooms (wireless) a
bedroom and a basement area. I had initially thought to find second hand
radio for the living room, boom for the basement, and sync using group
players (stay simple). But, he says he wants to use some old speakers he
has, apparently built in (?). Ok, so I then thought about squeezeamp or
a pcP running squeezelite, a analog hat, with small amp (similar to
outdoor amp).

Here's the quandry:

As mentioned, I have squeezebox tunnel vision. I am wondering if there
is something simpler that I am overlooking with sonos, alexa, airlplaY,
siri, chrome cast, yamaha music cast, etc, etc. I am really not familiar
with any of them. Back in 2008 I chose squeezebox over sonos, but has
anything changed?

I should mention that this is not planned as an audiophile system, more
of a general listening (alot of background listening) system. I am going
to try to fit everything - receiver, amps, pi's etc in under maybe
$600-$800USD. Example - receiver - $300, small 2 channel amp - $75X3, pi
stuff $75x2. Just to give you a target $.

So, any thoughts, even a "what you are planning on doing makes sense"
would be appreciated. 

Thank you, as always
Jim



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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-11 Thread andynormancx

kpfeif;431092 Wrote: 
 
 So, how reliable and well do the SB receivers or Duet receivers sync?

99% of the time they sync very, very well. When they are in sync is it
close enough that when you stand between two rooms there is none of that
echo you get with badly synced systems.

However my setup does very occasionally fail to sync. One player will
start a track and the other one will start 30 seconds later completely
out of sync. When that happens I have to restart SqueezeCenter to fix
it. It happens very rarely though.


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-11 Thread aubuti

kpfeif;431092 Wrote: 
 So, how reliable and well do the SB receivers or Duet receivers sync?
In my experience, sync of SB hardware players is pretty much flawless
now. The sync code was completely overhauled in SC 7.2 or 7.3, and now
it is very robust. Older versions of SC and slimserver (what SC was
called before 7.0) were not as good, which is why you may find
complaints (including some by me) if you do a search in these forums and
elsewhere. 

Sync of software players like SoftSqueeze, SqueezePlay, and
squeezeslave is still hit or miss, because of latencies that SC can't
control. This also applies to streaming to the Duet Controller, which is
considered a software player because it uses SqueezePlay to emulate a
player.

I think the old approach of home-run speaker wires to a centralized amp
is on the wane, to be replaced by cat5e or cat6 and networked players.
Not this year or next, but some time in the next few years. And your
friend is very smart to do it wired instead of depending on wireless.


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-11 Thread funkstar

aubuti;431220 Wrote: 
 This also applies to streaming to the Duet Controller, which is
 considered a software player because it uses SqueezePlay to emulate a
 player.
Also because playback on the Controller is still in Beta so it hasn't
been optimised yet. I couldn't say 100% but i'm sure it will be looked
at eventually and given priority eventually :)


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-11 Thread kpfeif

aubuti;431220 Wrote: 
 
 I think the old approach of home-run speaker wires to a centralized amp
 is on the wane, to be replaced by cat5e or cat6 and networked players.
 Not this year or next, but some time in the next few years. And your
 friend is very smart to do it wired instead of depending on wireless.

Agreed, but I think there will always be a place for homerun speaker
wiring as long as that particular zone is for background music -
speakers are in the ceiling, etc.  I think a mix works best for me.  The
dedicated background systems - the patio, kitchen, dinette, dining room
- are powered by a central amp and fed from a single player.  Meanwhile,
the standalone systems - the the living room area, the master bedroom
(where there's a TV and other sources), etc., each have their own
player.  

I wired my house 2 years ago and already, through the advent of the
Duet controller, it's out of date.  I don't need the volume controls in
each room.  Instead I can control the volume from the remote.  I
couldn't afford multiple receivers so I have what I call the whole home
audio bus which provides line-level audio to standalone systems and
to the background music system.  It works well and was awfully cheap.


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-11 Thread gNNY

andynormancx;431048 Wrote: 
 Assuming by receiver you mean a Squeezebox Receiver, then if it isn't
 showing up in the list of players in SqueezeCenter then you have got
 something fair fundamental going wrong that you need to resolve before
 worry about what will and won't sync.

Yes, I mean the Squeezebox Receiver. But, no, the Receiver works fine -
if used in the intended way.

When I hook up a software player via the stream.mp3 it will show up
under the players list on my Controller, eventually. I've added the
stream.mp3 as a Favorit to my Receiver and when I start this, the
Receiver doesn't appear a second time with this stream access under the
players list. I'd hope it would show up two times: first as the
original Receiver, second as some device that accesses the mp3
stream.

Since it doesn't, I guess the Squeezecenter is smarter than that. ;)

Before you ask: Why would you want to do something like that, anyway?
I want to sync my Receiver with the Terratec Noxon (a uPnP hardware
player) somehow. But the Noxon being recognized as a softplayer it shuts
down Receiver playback as soon as I sync it.

So, can this be sone? Sync between Receiver and Noxon?


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-11 Thread snarlydwarf

gNNY;431287 Wrote: 
 
 
 So, can this be done? Sync between Receiver and Noxon?

No.

There is no way for the server to tell how deep the buffer is of a
stream.mp3 player (ie, PC based players like Winamp or iTunes often have
huge buffers, because PC RAM is cheap).  Likewise there is no oh, the
user hit 'next', please flush that buffer and start playing this... the
server has no real control at all over the stream.mp3 output once it is
queued.

(Not to mention stream.mp3 only streams mp3... anything else will need
to be transcoded, so it will tend to sound less than ideal.)


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-11 Thread aubuti

kpfeif;431256 Wrote: 
 Agreed, but I think there will always be a place for homerun speaker
 wiring as long as that particular zone is for background music -
 speakers are in the ceiling, etc.  I think a mix works best for me.  The
 dedicated background systems - the patio, kitchen, dinette, dining room
 - are powered by a central amp and fed from a single player.  Meanwhile,
 the standalone systems - the the living room area, the master bedroom
 (where there's a TV and other sources), etc., each have their own
 player. 
Yes, I can see that. Homerun speaker wiring would also continue to be
the choice when the user doesn't want an amp/receiver or active speakers
in the room. Although that's changing, too, with increasing options for
active in-ceiling/wall speakers and small, good quality T-amps, many at
very attractive prices.

The Duet came along just in time for me to avoid putting a hole in a
brand new kitchen cabinet and wall to pass the interconnects from an SB2
to the amp tucked away in the pantry ('see photo'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=285125#post285125)). But
I'm glad I put the volume controls in the wall -- beats having to find
or wake up the remote when you need to turn down the volume fast.


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-10 Thread funkstar

Thats correct, syncing /stream.mp3 with anything else is not supported
at all. I think there was a release where it was possible and caused
problems, however now you should have the option to do it at all. This
fix may be included in 7.3.3 which is due any time now.

Sync between a hardware player and an emulated player (such as
SoftSqueeze, SqueezePlay or SqueezeSlave) is supported, however getting
perfect sync isn't easy as they have no control over what Windows, the
sound card or the sound card drivers are doing.


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-10 Thread gNNY

funkstar;430886 Wrote: 
 however now you should have the option to do it at all. 

what do you mean by that? What option should I have now?

Currently, I'm at work so I can't try it but I've thought of a
work-around that might enable me to realize a multi-room, multi-system
solution. Will try it later today. Let's see, I'll keep you updated ;)


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-10 Thread funkstar

gNNY;430895 Wrote: 
 what do you mean by that? What option should I have now?
Oops, typo! You *shouldn't* have the option to sync stream.mp3 with a
player at all, SqueezeCenter just shouldn't let you.

gNNY;430895 Wrote: 
 Currently, I'm at work so I can't try it but I've thought of a
 work-around that might enable me to realize a multi-room, multi-system
 solution. Will try it later today. Let's see, I'll keep you updated ;)
Going to give us a clue what you have in mind? :)


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-10 Thread aubuti

gNNY;430895 Wrote: 
 Currently, I'm at work so I can't try it but I've thought of a
 work-around that might enable me to realize a multi-room, multi-system
 solution. Will try it later today. Let's see, I'll keep you updated ;)
I'm curious what you have in mind, but if you're committed to using
software players, why not use one of the players designed to work with
SqueezeCenter: SoftSqueeze, SqueezePlay, or squeezeslave? And for just a
little more money you can buy additional SB Receiver(s) and get perfect
sync.


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-10 Thread gNNY

Hm, my idea seems not to work - at least for now.

Here's the thing: I'm pretty new to this Squeezebox game. Before that I
had (and still have) a Terratec Noxon and was playing music which was
coming from my Qnap NAS via uPnP. Now I've bought a Duet set and I was
playing around with the different options I have now.

The idea was to play music coming from the Squeezecenter through the
mp3 stream on the Noxon. So far, so good: my Noxon system shows up on
the controler as a Windows Media Device in the player list. I can even
synchronize it with other players. And that works, too.

Of course, as explained already in the above posts, as soon as the
receiver comes into play, sync doesn't work as smoothly anymore.

So my idea was this: I wanted to hook up all music playing devices via
the MP3 stream and synchronize it with the controller. Although hardware
synced with MP3 sreams remaines silent, the songs still play on the
streams and I can controll the playlists via the controller. Also, I
won't mind that no sound comes from the controller as it should stay
mute anyway.

The problem is the receiver in the living room. I was hoping that I
could get it hooked up to the stream as well, somehow. Indeed, I was
able to add the stream.mp3 as a Favorit to the receiver's list and it
connects alright. But there is no sound coming from the receiver. And it
won't show up on the player list either so I can't sync it with anything
else.

So unfortunately, it's not working the way I wanted it to work. I tried
to be smart about it, but the Squeezebox is smarter, it seems ;)

I'll toy around with the idea a little bit longer, unless you guys tell
me right there and now that it's a lost cause...


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-10 Thread andynormancx

gNNY;431046 Wrote: 
 The problem is the receiver in the living room. I was hoping that I
 could get it hooked up to the stream as well, somehow. Indeed, I was
 able to add the stream.mp3 as a Favorit to the receiver's list and it
 connects alright. But there is no sound coming from the receiver. And it
 won't show up on the player list either so I can't sync it with anything
 else.
 
Assuming by receiver you mean a Squeezebox Receiver, then if it isn't
showing up in the list of players in SqueezeCenter then you have got
something fair fundamental going wrong that you need to resolve before
worry about what will and won't sync.


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-10 Thread kpfeif

I'd like to hop into this thread a bit.

I have a Duet setup now and am very happy with it.  Somebody I know is
building a new home and asked me about his proposed whole-home audio
system.  It's using one of those controller units, home run speakers,
central amp, etc., and dumb keypads.  The cost = $8,500.  Wow.

I think my setup, or a setup that uses a receiver + the iPeng app,
works better in that it's interactive.  He's interested in doing this. 
He'd have a dedicated receiver for each zone - 8 zones in all.  They
will have gigabit wired ethernet to each receiver.  Since the receivers
feed independent zones, each they'll all be located by one another.

I know Sonos is out there and brags about their player synchronization.


So, how reliable and well do the SB receivers or Duet receivers sync?


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-09 Thread gNNY

Hi,

my Duet can sync just fine between the receiver and the controller. But
as soon as I add an MP3 based player (like my Computer using iTunes) the
hardware players stop. Syncing between other MP3 streams works (e.g.
iTunes and Noxon) but the receiver won't play as soon as an MP3 stream
is involved.

I've read on the Slimdevices Wiki that Other software clients, such as
Winamp and XMMS cannot be synchronized to a hardware player since
SqueezeCenter will have no control over the client's buffering.

I suspect that this answers my question if sync between my receiver and
an MP3 stream is possible or not (well, it's not), but I just wanted to
get this confirmed here so that I can rule out a system defect.

BR,
Andreas


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[slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-07 Thread smcclelland

I have a SB 3 and want to synchronise music to another room.  Can I add
a Duet and use the SB3 to sync with the SB3 or do I need a second SB3?

I was considering adding just a receiver, which I could set up to play
in sync with the SB3 and add a Duet controller later.

Is this possible?


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-07 Thread tcutting

You could do any of those things.
The hardware players, SB3 (SB Classic), SB2, SB Receiver, Transporter
can all be synchronized together in any combination.
The SB Receiver requires the SB Controller for initial setup -
although it's possible to set it up without the controller using the
NET-UDAP application someone wrote, though it's not officially
supported, and isn't quite as straightforward as using the controller to
set up.


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Re: [slim] Multi room solution

2009-06-07 Thread funkstar

Just to add a little flesh to tcutting's reply, have a look at this
thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=64184

This explains how the devices communicate.

Basically all the devices talk to SqueezeCenter, which controls them as
a group or individually. Any combination of hardware can be used, even
going back to previous generations of player.


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my collection:
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*2*x controller, *1*x receiver
*2*x sb3 (sliver/black, *1*x sb2 wired (silver), *1*x sb (black)
*1*x slimp3 (with rear shield)

interested in any others if you have them!

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