[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Alas, there has been no stuttering today. I will keep an ear out. Is there a bug # for this? A quick search did not turn up anything. -- bobharp Bob Harper bobharp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
No stuttering here for two days either. But I'm ready to pounce if it does! -- Scardeville Scardeville's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
MrSinatra;155818 Wrote: when u say you use shoutcast to tune in, what exactly do you mean? u use winamp to listen? u use the shoutcast directory in winamp? or you use the shoutcast website to get to it? or do u mean that you use the shoutcast dir in SS? Hi MrSinatra, On Slimserver Home page, I select SHOUTcast Internet Radio, seventh option under INTERNET RADIO. Then I type LION in the search field and click Search. The fifth match is LION Radio 90.7fm Penn State. I clicked on that and it worked for me two times when using the Tune in URL didn't. I doesn't make any sense to me either. -- Greg Erskine Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Greg Erskine;155903 Wrote: Hi MrSinatra, On Slimserver Home page, I select SHOUTcast Internet Radio, seventh option under INTERNET RADIO. Then I type LION in the search field and click Search. The fifth match is LION Radio 90.7fm Penn State. I clicked on that and it worked for me two times when using the Tune in URL didn't. I doesn't make any sense to me either. I've been experiencing the same troubles and I thought you'd found a silver bullet here -- my usually rock solid stream, Otto's Baroque (http://64.62.253.223:9030), was stuttering badly today after only 5-10 seconds. When this happens I've taken to pausing the stream for about ten seconds and it seems to fix it, at least for up to a few hours. But no go this morning. So I tried this and it worked -- for about 2 minutes, and then it stuttered just as badly as before. I'd originally put this problem down to some kind of flow control being used by my cable internet provider. But why it should only happen on some streams and not others doesn't necessarily fit with that diagnosis. It also doesn't fit the fact that I can listen to the same stream in Windows Media Player without any difficulty. -- Scardeville Scardeville's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Well after attempting to update to the latest testing release (deb http://debian.slimdevices.com testing main) and having my SB2s lock up I went back to the stable release. They would power on after the firmware update but would not respond to other remote control commands. Tried: SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 10724 - Debian - EN - utf8 No back at: SlimServer Version: 6.5.0 - 9916 - Debian - EN - utf8 I bumped up my RADIO STATION BUFFER SECONDS to 20. I will try that for a while. -- bobharp Bob Harper bobharp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
hi MrSinatra, I just redid my tests and confirmed my results. SHOUTcast works. Have you tried using SHOUTcast? Does it work for you? BTW: I enjoyed listening to Cootie Brown's funky jazz, excellent. regards Greg -- Greg Erskine Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
i use shoutcast 1.9.7 to put the lion on the air. shoutcast is the server program. when u say you use shoutcast to tune in, what exactly do you mean? u use winamp to listen? u use the shoutcast directory in winamp? or you use the shoutcast website to get to it? i don't know why it would be any different, unless the winamp dsp relays automatically to a shoutcast server at shoutcast but i really don't think that's it. i think u are just using another way, or link, to get to my servers at PSU. i can't explain why it works for you via the sc link, and not directly. that baffles me. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
A number of my internet streams seem to have started stuttering today. I will try updating tomorrow. Some stations sound great most stutter. Just started after being rock solid. Seems like an internet issue but better local buffering sould fix it. I like having fullness in my buffer. Running.. SlimServer Version: 6.5.0 - 9916 - Debian - EN - iso-8859-1 -- bobharp Bob Harper bobharp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
i was mostly talking about net streams, not local files. if flacs are bigger and your wireless connection isn't strong enough, it could be problematic. i don't know how to view buffer fullness (beyond percents), nor did i know u could for local files. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Hi MrSinatra, I don't know if this information will be helpful. When I use Tune In URL = http://146.186.221.181:8000/ I get stuttering within a minute. When I tune into other Internet radio stations things work properly. Now, when I tune into LION Radio 90.7fm Penn State via SHOUTcast Internet Radio it works properly (I listened for about 15 minutes) regards -- Greg Erskine Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
well, there really shouldn't be any difference between 'tuning in directly' and doing so via shoutcast internet radio directory. there is only one source for this station, 3 machines (one per bitrate stream) that put it on the net. i know b/c i admin the three machines. we don't relay to anyone else. the shoutcast dir refers to these 3 machines. so, i can't explain ur results, BUT maybe SS wouldn't let the SB 'take over' from slim server to get the stream directly as quick (or at all) when going thru via the shoutcast dir to tune in, (as opposed to directly tuning in). -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
I've had connectivity problems with SB3 Firmware 6x with Slimserver version 6.5.x. I see the buffer does not get filled up in time. My wireless strength is around 50% and I play flac files. I have reverted to 6.3 and firmware version 55. No problems now. (BTW, do you guys think 6.5.1 sounds better ? Maybe, it is just my mind playing tricks) -- SoftwireEngineer SoftwireEngineer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
as a follow up, for the last week or so, my problem seems to have stopped. i am beginning to think it surfaced and has now submerged as a result of adelphia converting to comcast. however, it has shown a weakness of the paradigm, in that unless conditions are perfect or near perfect, direct streaming to the hardware is not as robust as say to software, (like SS or winamp). i also still have only seen percents, not seconds, when initiating a stream. i don't see the buffer fullness display even tho i picked it for now playing. more later... -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Gregory, are u aware your posts say nothing in them? they only quote mine? please edit or delete them. thx. -mdw -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
On 11/1/06, MrSinatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: are u aware your posts say nothing in them?they only quote mine?please edit or delete them.thx.-mdw You need to look a little closer. He's been giving you good advice and the content is there.Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Ben Sandee;151471 Wrote: On 11/1/06, MrSinatra MrSinatra.2gl7g01162373402 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com wrote: are u aware your posts say nothing in them? they only quote mine? please edit or delete them. thx. -mdw You need to look a little closer. He's been giving you good advice and the content is there. Ben Actually, I'm with MrSinatra on this one...I don't see anything but the quoted text in Gregory's posts on the forums. Maybe a forum/mailing-list difference? -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
MrSinatra;151389 Wrote: second, i have a minor problem in that i installed 6.5.0 on top of 6.3.1 and its a somewhat messy deal. for instance, some skins don't work, and other annoyences like that. will installing 6.5.1 beta fix that? or should i uninstall everything i have now to get rid of the mess, and start fresh? and if i do, do i need to just use add/remove programs, or also manually delete directories? and will i lose my prefs and settings? Yes, it is best to uninstall 6.3 before installing 6.5. Uninstall, then delete the SlimServer directory. You will lose any settings and plugins (but regarding plugins, 6.3 plugins are not necessarily compatible with 6.5 anyway). -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
On 11/1/06, azinck3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I'm with MrSinatra on this one...I don't see anything but thequoted text in Gregory's posts on the forums.Maybe a forum/mailing-list difference?Yes, apparently so. I'm on the mailing list and Gregory's posts are plainly visible.Ben ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
i'm not on the mailing list. i only see the forum posts. would love it if he or someone would post his replies. thx. i'm going to try to uninstall and manually delete it all, and then install 6.5.1 fresh. will let you know how it turns out. thx for the help. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Andy, i now have the clean install of the current 6.5.1 and as i thought, it did nothing to help the problem. the stream still stutters badly after just a few minutes or even moments. i tried it both on SS and on SN. same thing. i have both set to buffer for 5 seconds, (3 is the default), but as far as i can tell, this merely delays the inevitable. winamp or other programs have no problem playing these streams. the problem as i see it is that whatever changes are new since sometime after 6.2 have broken the ability of SB to robustly playback shoutcast streams. while i am for the SB being able to directly establish a connection to the net streams, (so i can reboot without losing the music) i am not for it if it means it doesn't work. based on what i had read in this thread, it seemed to me that the proposed fixes would not fix anything, they sounded cosmetic to me. can you please explain to me why SB used to be able to do this, but now can't? listening to these streams is why i got a SB. if i had to guess, i would guess the SB hardware is simply not up to the task of DIRECT streaming... altho i think SN used to be able to do it previously. this is why i'm upset, please respond, thanks, -mdw -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
and as an extra bonus, now it will only play the first 7 seconds or so of my local music, before it restarts it for no reason, or simply stops all together. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
MrSinatra;151572 Wrote: and as an extra bonus, now it will only play the first 7 seconds or so of my local music, before it restarts it for no reason, or simply stops all together. What format is your local music in? -- azinck3 azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
normal, unprotected, EAC made 256kbps mp3s. worked fine with 6.5.0 -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
and as an extra bonus, now it will only play the first 7 seconds or so of my local music, before it restarts it for no reason, or simply stops all together. Have you ever tried doing a factory reset on your player? Unplug the player, hold down the ADD button while you plug it in again. Repeat the configuration. I sometimes experienced similar problems after firmware upgrades. The factory reset fixed them every time. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
yeah, its my least favorite thing to do with SB. i did do a soft reset where you hold down the power button for a long time. i hate doing the factory reset b/c it hasn't been as lucky a fix all for me but i still have to re-enter the damn wireless wep code and set it all up again the way i want. but since u suggested it i'll do it to eliminate the possibility, (not that i hold out much hope for it fixing anything). -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
(not that i hold out much hope for it fixing anything). Then you might want to offer your SB for sale on ebay. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
actually, i just want it fixed in code, since code is clearly at fault, since it all used to work. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
MrSinatra;151638 Wrote: actually, i just want it fixed in code, since code is clearly at fault, since it all used to work. MrS, I'm afraid I can't contribute directly to your problem with Shoutcast, and I know you've checked for network interference, but I just want to add a recent experience of mine. Three weeks ago, I started seeing just the same problems as you, drop outs on a previously rock solid network, stuttering audio, etc, etc. I'd also just upgraded my router firmware, so I spent ages trying to roll back and debug. It turned out my upstairs neighbour has got himself a new pre-n router, not broadcasting his SSID and even though it's as far away from my channel as I can get, it's knocking out my signal even though when his network is up, I can't even see it. Luckily there are a few of us affected in our block and he's been persuaded to swop out the router for a less aggressive one. Is there any chance it might not be the code after all ? Does rolling back to 6.3.0. solve your problem or do you still see the same ? -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
couple of quick replies... 1. i'll happily eat my words on the factory reset thing, doing that seems to have made it possible for me to play local music again, so it worked in this instance. (at least thats my initial impression. and while i'm happy about that, it shouldn't be required, factory resets should not be a SOP) 2. i still however have a stuttereing stream. both on SS and on SN. i live in a semi rural area, and i don't think anyone nearby has any wireless that i can see. also, my SB sits about 2 feet from my router, and it shows 100% signal strength. i haven't upgraded or changed my router in some time btw. i can't say for sure when the problem started, if it was 6.3 or later... all i know is that it all was working fine recently, now it never works. i assume its b/c of the changes to code. i'm pretty sure its a result of making the SB connect direct to the stream, (done in a firmware upgrade). -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Andy, I have tried to be patient, but i am really getting upset now. i bought a SB to listen to the LION's internet streams. it now doesn't allow me to do that in any kind of passable way. I have not tried 6.5.1 b/c its beta, and i don't think it would make any difference anyway based on whats been said in this thread. I assume that if it isn't working on SN, then its simply not going to work. i can't even listen to 32kbps streams on SN or SB/SS, BUT i can just fine on winamp. it used to work, now it doesn't. WHEN WILL IT BE FIXED? thanks, -mdw -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
How can you act like that when you refuse to try the fix in 6.5.1? -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
based on what was said in the thread, it sounded to me like any discussed changes would not fix the issue, but if i'm wrong, np, i'll happily eat my words. i guess i'm confused as to how using 6.5.1 would matter or make a difference if the problem exists with SN as well. is there a change to the firmware that actually fixes it with SN? however, a lot of people don't run beta software, and i TRY to be one of them. if i HAVE TO go to 6.5.1 beta to get this fixed, then i very reluctantly will, but how about getting it out there now with such a critical fix in an officially released form? save the rest for 6.5.2, i would much prefer that. can u also please point me to where the link is to get the latest beta? is there anything i need to know to install it properly? (anything different from an official release?) and should i fully uninstall my current SS install totally first? will it forget all my plugins and prefs if i do? (i installed 6.5.0 right on top of 6.3.1 and that made a mess i still have, not sure how best to fix it) thanks, -mdw -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
On 10/31/06, MrSinatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: based on what was said in the thread, it sounded to me like anydiscussed changes would not fix the issue, but if i'm wrong, np, i'll happily eat my words.i guess i'm confused as to how using 6.5.1 wouldmatter or make a difference if the problem exists with SN as well.is there a change to the firmware that actually fixes it with SN? however, a lot of people don't run beta software, and i TRY to be oneof them.if i HAVE TO go to 6.5.1 beta to get this fixed, then i veryreluctantly will, but how about getting it out there now with such a critical fix in an officially released form?save the rest for 6.5.2,i would much prefer that.can u also please point me to where the link is to get the latest beta?is there anything i need to know to install it properly?(anything different from an official release?)and should i fully uninstall my current SS install totally first?willit forget all my plugins and prefs if i do?(i installed 6.5.0 right ontop of 6.3.1 and that made a mess i still have, not sure how best to fix it)thanks, -mdw--MrSinatrawww.LION-Radio.orgUsing:Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392___discuss mailing listdiscuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss Testing agains the www.LION-Radio.org website and playing a High Quality Media Stream to Windows Media Player I'm having the same problem. I think you might need to contact the Radio Station. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
MrSinatra;151355 Wrote: however, a lot of people don't run beta software, and i TRY to be one of them. if i HAVE TO go to 6.5.1 beta to get this fixed, then i very reluctantly will, but how about getting it out there now with such a critical fix in an officially released form? save the rest for 6.5.2, i would much prefer that. can u also please point me to where the link is to get the latest beta? is there anything i need to know to install it properly? (anything different from an official release?) and should i fully uninstall my current SS install totally first? will it forget all my plugins and prefs if i do? (i installed 6.5.0 right on top of 6.3.1 and that made a mess i still have, not sure how best to fix it) thanks, -mdw Mr sinatra there is perhaps a misunderstanding about the role of the nightly releases - 6.5.1 at the moment. It's a place where small, safe fixes are applied beyond the official release - this is what allows slim to be incredibly responsive to bug fixes and minor enhancements. If they put every important fix into a separate formal release, they'd spend all their time regression testing and we'd never get the new stuff! So don't be shy, have a go at 6.5.1. Its at http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/latest/6.5/ If you are running 6.5.0 at present, the upgrade is straightforward, just stop slimserver and install over the top. don't forget to let it finish any rescan it does before giving it a hard time. Then let the developers know whether things are any better for you... HTH Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
first, thx a lot for taking the time to post all that, very appreciated. second, i have a minor problem in that i installed 6.5.0 on top of 6.3.1 and its a somewhat messy deal. for instance, some skins don't work, and other annoyences like that. will installing 6.5.1 beta fix that? or should i uninstall everything i have now to get rid of the mess, and start fresh? and if i do, do i need to just use add/remove programs, or also manually delete directories? and will i lose my prefs and settings? thanks again for the help! -mdw -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
On 10/31/06, MrSinatra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first, thx a lot for taking the time to post all that, veryappreciated.second, i have a minor problem in that i installed 6.5.0 on top of6.3.1 and its a somewhat messy deal.for instance, some skins don'twork, and other annoyences like that.will installing 6.5.1 beta fix that?or should i uninstall everythingi have now to get rid of the mess, and start fresh? and if i do, do i need to just use add/remove programs, or alsomanually delete directories?and will i lose my prefs and settings?thanks again for the help!-mdw--MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.orgUsing:Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ramMrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392___ discuss mailing listdiscuss@lists.slimdevices.comhttp://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss The recommendation is to uninstall and install fresh. If you have lots of plug-ins you may want to delete the slimserver folder. Most of the 6.3 plug-ins will not work and need to be upgraded for 6.5/6.51. If you want to save your preferences, backup the slimserver.pref file, and copy it back over after the installation. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Any feedback on the rebuffering feature, or the new Show Buffer Fullness display? -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Yes, it works Andy. I now see seconds displayed instead of a percentage. However, I still get stuttering on all stations in Shoutcast that were absolutely fine in 6.3. Some are worse than others but on the whole they all start stuttering eventually. I've set the pre-buffer to 30secs but I see this dwindle down to 0 seconds after about 20 seconds or so and it starts stutteting again. With 6.3 I used to be able to listen to shoutcast streams for hours but now it's un-usable after a few minutes even on the most stable streams. v confusing. Russ -- luga00 luga00's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1938 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Just to kick a few more ideas around: I have been monitoring a particularly troublesome stream, which started stuttering after I loaded 6.5.1 and Softsqueeze 3.x.x. Now running SS 3.2.1 but effect is the same. (Timing could be coincidence tho') The stream runs at 192Kb/s - Love Channel on 65.19.173.132:4064 - if snyone wants to try it. The good thing is that SB3 plays this stream OK and maintains a buffer level of 3% or so consistently. I am unable to monitor the actual network throughput as SB3 connects directly to the stream. Softsqueeze however will run for a while then start to stutter, the buffer level records 0% from start. Pausing playback will replenish the buffer and when play restarted, the buffer starts to reduce until stuttering begins at 0%. Significantly, the same stream stutters on Winamp with buffer empty messages being displayed. I am able to monitor network throughput on my PC, and this is showing the stream average throughput is less than 192K ergo, the buffer will eventually empty. The conclusion is that SB3 is very much better at dealing with this stream in direct mode than my PC network card. My PC has no problem handling video streaming at much higher rates (I have an 8Mb/s ADSL) - so A point to note is that streams which are able to maintain healthy buffer levels transmit at much higher burst rates at startup, and when buffer replenishment needed. Love Channel is limited to a max of about 200K - not much headspace if there are network issues - this could of course be true for many more radio streams. I get the same effects if I connect through SN. Monitoring this stream on SB3 and Softsq at the same time, and SB3 is OK and SoftSq stutters. Whether these observations throw any light on the problems experienced by others is debatable, but I would be interested if anyone else was able to duplicate these observations. These tests were done on the WinXP setup. Netgear DG834G Router. Network monitoring using Ming Bandwidth Monitor and Utilkit DLUL Meter -- Ramage P2 266MHz,Linux CC 3.2, SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 10145, Alien 1.06 P4 2.6GHz, Win XP, Slimserver Version: 6.5.1 - 10147, Alien 1.06 Ramage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5343 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
When monitoring did you see if any of the stream (video especially) are using QoS measures such as DiffServ ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Can't say my monitoring tools only check bit rates. How could I check? Further measurements using my PDA to play back the stream via ActiveSync thro' my PC is stutterless! -- Ramage P2 266MHz,Linux CC 3.2, SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 10145, Alien 1.06 P4 2.6GHz, Win XP, Slimserver Version: 6.5.1 - 10147, Alien 1.06 Ramage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5343 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
It's been a while since I dealt with QoS and I'm not sure if it is used generally but XP implemented it. I don't know of specific tools just general ones like Ethereal. Perhaps if you disabled QoS in the XP network interface it would be interesting to see if it makes a difference to Video streams. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Andy, Noticed quite a few recent check-ins in svn re: rebuffering streams. What differences in player behavior should we be looking for at this time? Also, would the changes impact player performance when a plugin (SuperDateTime) makes async_http call while playing a remote stream? Thanks. -- atlslim atlslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3054 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
QoS was disabled, but I tried with it on and off with no noticeable difference in results. This particular stream is marginal as my measurements give it an average bit rate of less than 192K - nominally 185K with peaks and troughs of 201K and 134K. The interesting thing is that SB3 copes well with it whilst Winamp and SSq do not. In fact Winamp is poorer than SSq. My PDA player also plays without interruption. Using Netstat showed the retransmitted segments were of the order of 1 or 2 in 15 mins. I think there may be issues with how SSq manages the buffer, which indicates 0% on a number of streams whilst SB3 will show 3 or 4% on the same stream. Because of all the variables in play with net radio it is difficult to be definitive about the cause of the problem. -- Ramage P2 266MHz,Linux CC 3.2, SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 10145, Alien 1.06 P4 2.6GHz, Win XP, Slimserver Version: 6.5.1 - 10147, Alien 1.06 Ramage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5343 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
atlslim;145329 Wrote: Andy, Noticed quite a few recent check-ins in svn re: rebuffering streams. What differences in player behavior should we be looking for at this time? Also, would the changes impact player performance when a plugin (SuperDateTime) makes async_http call while playing a remote stream? Thanks. When playing a stream, if the buffer level drops to below the Radio Station Buffer Seconds value (the number of bytes needed for X seconds of audio at the station's bitrate), the stream will now pause and wait for more data. Rebuffering... will be displayed when this happens. Async HTTP does not affect streaming. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Andy New buffer management works OK on SB3, but not on SSq 3.2.1, is that how it should be? -- Ramage P2 266MHz,Linux CC 3.2, SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 10145, Alien 1.06 P4 2.6GHz, Win XP, Slimserver Version: 6.5.1 - 10147, Alien 1.06 Ramage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5343 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Softsqueeze can't benefit from the rebuffering code, it doesn't report buffer status in the same way. I'm sure this will get fixed in a future Softsqueeze version. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Thought that might be the case. Noticed that on start of (my marginal test) stream, SB3 reads about 3% then rapidly depletes to 0% and rebuffers to about 5% and holds steady at that. Is the rebuffer different to the start-up buffer? -- Ramage P2 266MHz,Linux CC 3.2, SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 10145, Alien 1.06 P4 2.6GHz, Win XP, Slimserver Version: 6.5.1 - 10147, Alien 1.06 Ramage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5343 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
That's how it works in last night's build. I've made a few tweaks to it today, so it won't rebuffer unless the buffer is completely drained. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Thanks Andy -- Ramage P2 266MHz,Linux CC 3.2, SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 10145, Alien 1.06 P4 2.6GHz, Win XP, Slimserver Version: 6.5.1 - 10147, Alien 1.06 Ramage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5343 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
I've also made another change: the Show Buffer Fullness display on remote streams where the bitrate is known will now display the number of seconds of audio in the buffer, instead of the percentage value which wasn't very useful. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Quote: Originally Posted by bpa View Post Given the SB3 works well with other MP3 sources, it would indicate the problem is with Shoutcast and/or network between your SB Shoutcast. i don't see how you draw this conclusion. it seems to me that the problem is with this new way that SS/SB handles .pls streams from shoutcast, esp since it USED to work just dandy w/shoutcast. I didn't phrase this clearly - I meant this is *Where* to look for the problem not *What* is the cause of the problem. It may be the interaction between the SB3 MP3/TCP stream and Shoutcasts SB3 MP3/TCP stream that causes the problem but it could be something like a router that is provoking the stuttering (e.g. flow control). An example: IIRC there have been 3 cases of mplayer (AlienBBC) problems which caused PC crashes and jerkiness problems when playing BBC stations. RealPlayer played them OK. Updating the network driver cured two of the problems and the other needed router firmware update. These are rare but interactions along the whole network chain can cause strange effects. In 6.3 - the end point of the Shoutcast stream is your PC, in 6.5 it is SB3 so TCP connection is different. If it is bandwidth related then buffering on the PC may have been bigger or handled differently and so hid this problem which has shown itself with the SB. I think something like Ethereal needs to be used to definitively state whether it is an SB3 firmware issue or something else like bandwidth, flow control, packet assembly etc. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
i think its too easy to blame the network or the router or whatever... the SB2 should be more robust if it is changed with 6.5 to handle net-radio alone without SS. if it can not do this properly, then the problem is in the system / paradigm design, not the net cloud. and all signs point to either the hardware, or the firmware of the hardware. if it were my router, which is a linksys BEFW11S4 V2, and is probably the most used router ever made, then again the problem is the slim hardware that has to account for it. i don't mean to beat this drum to death, but the net cloud should be assumed to be filled with numerous vagaries of implementation, and a robust solution should be crafted to handle most of them, including popular routers, (altho i'm sure u meant any along the way, not just mine) thx again, -mdw -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
You have a problem and you need it to be fixed. Others have a similar setup to yourself but don't a problem so Slimdevices will need more information about your setup to identify and cure the problem. As it is a network problem, I believe a network log is a good starting point to identify the problem. Even if you don't know how to interpret it - sending Slimdevices support an Ethereal log will give them evidence of your problem and a chance to analyse it and then either fix it or at the very least explain the issue. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
I've had this stream on for about 20 minutes without any problems. Try enabling the buffer fullness display from Player Settings. Mine sits at 4%, as it does for most radio stations. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
MrSinatra wrote: i don't install beta software, but i will install it when its released, (which i hear is soon) and i will report then. You're missing a real opportunity to get this problem fixed if you're not willing to install anything that isn't marked release. The whole point of a beta test is for users to try it out and report problems before the release, to reduce the number of bugs in the release. If you're not willing to try the open beta, you can't expect the release to have fixed the bugs that you care about. - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
andyg;144884 Wrote: I've had this stream on for about 20 minutes without any problems. Try enabling the buffer fullness display from Player Settings. Mine sits at 4%, as it does for most radio stations. Andy, since 6.5 i have found that the problem can take anywhere from just a few minutes to close to an hour, (when using the SB with SS). as i wrote this post, it took 40min to occur. it could also be that the vagaries of my net connection cloud route are different from yours, as i'm in central Pa, while you're in Pitts. (where i am, adelphia is becoming comcast fyi). is the buffer fullness display from Player Settings a SERVER setting or a LOCAL PLAYER setting? what category is the setting under? i don't see anything resembling it under player settings. under server settings, network heading, i see RADIO STATION BUFFER SECONDS and mine is set to 3 seconds, as opposed to a percent. is this what you meant? also i had another thought... could it be the lame quality level under player settings? mine is set to 0 but it was b4 6.5 too, without problem. and isn't this a server function anyway? why is it under player settings? does it even come into play if the stream is already mp3? meaning, is it for transcoding ONLY, or ALSO decoding mp3? i assumed this was for streaming music FROM my SS out to others on the net only. bpa, if i have to i'll DL and install that program, but i have no exp with it nor did i really want to take on a new learning project to get this fixed. but, if i have to, i will. btw, my router/SB is setup to be wireless, and SB has 100% strength. the router connects to my motorola cable modem. the router has the latest firmware, and is setup to pass multicast stuff, ...i try to make it wide open. the cable modem is older, maybe a docsis 1.0, i'm not really sure, but its good as far as i can tell. my computer connects to the router via ethernet wire. marc, are you saying feedback on released programs is useless and the only valid feedback that will enable changes to the next release is on beta software? b/c that just isn't true. and from what i understand, 6.5.1 will be released very soon, so i prefer to wait. i just don't like beta software, never have, and generally just don't use it. thx all -mdw -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
MrSinatra;144990 Wrote: Andy, since 6.5 i have found that the problem can take anywhere from just a few minutes to close to an hour, (when using the SB with SS). as i wrote this post, it took 40min to occur. I'll listen for a bit longer. is the buffer fullness display from Player Settings a SERVER setting or a LOCAL PLAYER setting? what category is the setting under? Yeah it's a player setting. In SlimServer go to Player Settings for player - Basic Settings page - Now Playing Information, select Show Buffer Fullness. A percentage display will appear in the upper-right where the time usually is. It will report the amount of data in the buffer. Live radio should show about 4%. I expect in your case you'll see it drop to 0% when it stutters. could it be the lame quality level under player settings? mine is set to 0 but it was b4 6.5 too, without problem. and isn't this a server function anyway? why is it under player settings? You can check to see that the lame process isn't running. Set Player Settings - Audio - Bitrate Limiting to No Limit. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
One thing you may want to try in combination with the buffer fullness is to play with the Radio Station Buffer Seconds value. It will pre-buffer more of the stream before beginning playback. When set to 30 seconds the buffer fullness value for your station is at 10% instead of 4%. This means any network drops will have a less chance of causing any audio dropouts. Of course, too many network problems will still cause problems. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
MrSinatra wrote: are you saying feedback on released programs is useless and the only valid feedback that will enable changes to the next release is on beta software? b/c that just isn't true. and from what i understand, 6.5.1 will be released very soon, so i prefer to wait. i just don't like beta software, never have, and generally just don't use it. No, I'm saying that giving requested feedback on a current nightly build is an order of magnitude more useful than feedback on the previous release. Consider the case where the devs aren't certain what's causing your problem, and can't replicate it themselves. They think the problem might have been solved by the current beta. Unless you install the beta and are still seeing the problem, there's a pretty good chance that no further work will be done on your problem. In that scenario, you're basically stuck waiting until 6.5.2 is released to see a fix. And historically, x.y.2 releases of Slimserver take much longer to come out, if they ever do, than x.y.1 releases do. If, on the other hand, you do try the beta and can confirm that the problem still exists, then the devs will keep working on it and it might actually get fixed in 6.5.1. - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
OK, I just had this happen to me on a different stream. It's a buffering problem, the audio in the buffer slowly runs out over time due to network problems. We need to add a re-buffering feature where we just restart a stream when the buffer is nearly drained. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Just checked in some rebuffering code. It won't solve the problem, but will handle this situation better in that it pauses the audio while waiting for more data to come in. If there was ever a time you should test a nightly build, this is it. :) Grab it tomorrow after 4am Eastern. I'll also be rolling this out to SqueezeNetwork soon, but not sure if it will be today. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
andyg;144993 Wrote: Yeah it's a player setting. In SlimServer go to Player Settings for player - Basic Settings page - Now Playing Information, select Show Buffer Fullness. Andy, A couple of questions re: buffer fullness setting: 1) on SB3, I see spectrum analyzer staying on when buffer fullness is selected? is this expected behaviour 2) should I see buffer fullness displayed in a softsqueeze player? I don't currently Thanks -- atlslim atlslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3054 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
atlslim;145143 Wrote: A couple of questions re: buffer fullness setting: 1) on SB3, I see spectrum analyzer staying on when buffer fullness is selected? is this expected behaviour That's the overlay on the spectrum analyzer. Just keep pressing NOW PLAYING and you'll toggle between time elapsed, time remaining and buffer remaining for 3 modes: spectrum analyzer background, no background, and small spectrum analyzer on the right. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Yes to both your questions. :) I see it with the latest Softsqueeze 3.2 which is part of 6.5.1. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
wow. the problem is horrible now. it starts stuttering within minutes... and all 3 streams are using the latest version of shoutcast, ver 1.9.7 i primarily bought the squeezebox2 (not sb3 btw) to do just this, to listen to this internet station. the problems its having with shoutcast, which is incredibly popular and standard, are most disappointing. i haven't tried the other two streams, but the highest one they have, 128kbps, is the one i am testing expecting to work, as 128 isn't that high. whats interesting is that when connected to SN it has happened, but not as fast nor as hard to fix/restart once started. this then relates to my responses to your comments below: bpa;144211 Wrote: In 6.5, if a stream can be handled directly by the SB3 (i.e. mp3, WMA and Ogg-vobis), SS will try to set it up - I think this is the way Squeezenetwork works as well. i would guess you're right, and i would love it to be this way, IF it worked properly, b/c i love the way the stream stays on even if you reboot the computer. but that isn't worth it if it can't handle normal shoutcast streams. also, do you happen to know if now the power button on the remote is real now or has the way it works not changed? it seems closer now to a power cycle, altho i find i still have to often turn off my receiver (and its switched outlet) to get the sb2 to power cycle. bpa;144211 Wrote: Around the same time there have been lots of problem with shoutcasts so there may have been updates there as well. well, like i said, it was fine by 6.2 - 6.3 so if this change is that now SS sees its way out of the process and sb2 now does it alone, and thats what has introduced the problem, well, then they need to fix the firmware asap. is that what you are saying? bpa;144211 Wrote: Given the SB3 works well with other MP3 sources, it would indicate the problem is with Shoutcast and/or network between your SB Shoutcast. i don't see how you draw this conclusion. it seems to me that the problem is with this new way that SS/SB handles .pls streams from shoutcast, esp since it USED to work just dandy w/shoutcast. i have no problem listening to the stream with winamp for example. bpa;144211 Wrote: The problem may not have shown up in the past as the Shoutcast stream terminated in the PC and MP3 data was rebroadcast by SS to SB. right, which once again, would indicate its a slim problem with its new way as opposed to a SC/net problem. bpa;144211 Wrote: At the moment you cannot force MP3 to be handled by SS - I am chasing a bug in this area and I found this anomaly. So the only real way to find out what's going on (don't forget it could be a router issue !) is to fire up Ethereal or similar. i def think the option should be there to force slim to do it the old way, which i assume was having SS feed the SB, for at least as long as these problems continue. thx for your comments! -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Don't get sidetracked by Shoutcast, or pls, etc. If it plays at all those are not a problem. You can tune in directly to the stream if you're worried about that. The real issue here is the bandwidth necessary to stream the radio station. Have you tried listening via a computer with Winamp, iTunes, or Windows Media Player? If the problem is your connection, those will also stutter. You also may want to try the latest 6.5.1 nightly. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
andy, i really appreciate the reply, but as i said the problem is NOT evident on winamp or anywhere else. it only started with me installing 6.5 and as best as i can tell, its not a coincidence. i run the shoutcast servers for the station, and we've not had any issues i am aware of. i know the .pls streams are mp3 encoded, as i set them up btw. this seems to me to be a SB issue in the firmware. as a test, i fired up the stream in winamp. i then powered up the SB2 and told it to play the stream while connected to SS. while winamp STILL plays fine, the SB2 eventually stutters. and its a strange stutter, its as if its catching up, skipping ahead, but it never catches up fully. and, if i stop the SB, and then restart the stream, (using power or just the play button alone) the problem is gone until the next time it starts a few minutes (or whatever) later. (it does the same thing with SN, but it takes longer, esp later at night) i don't install beta software, but i will install it when its released, (which i hear is soon) and i will report then. if ultimately it is a net congestion issue, then why doesn't winamp do it? is it because of this new way of sending the stream right to the device? is it b/c the device might not have a big enough mem buffer for conditions other than perfect net? if so, for problems such as this, we need a way to force the stream to SN or SS first, which in turn will properly feed the SB without the stutter, (like winamp). thanks, -mdw -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
still doing it today, and i see nothing wrong with the origin point, or net congestion. i think its def a 6.5 thing. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
Is it a stream that the SB3 will keep playing when SS it turned off ? If so then the stream once started goes directly to the SB and SS only updates the display - any audio problems will be between the SB and the radio station. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
yes it is... its a shoutcast stream, .pls is that a new SS/SB feature? it didn't always use to do that. however, i didn't mean to imply it was def SS, it could def be the SB, and i think it is b/c of the firmware update. when i first got my SB2, (right before SB3 came out), the firmware was not ready to handle internet streams longer than a couple of hours at the most, and i would frequently have to power cycle the gear. however, one of the updates, (i assume a firmware one) fixed this issue. it wasn't doing it as of 6.3 for sure. i think 6.5 has reintroduced this problem. one thing i can do, is upgrade the stations shoutcast software, from 1.9.5 to 1.9.7, but i don't think thats it since it was the same with 6.3 and without issues. any thoughts? -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.0 - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream keeps stuttering
In 6.5, if a stream can be handled directly by the SB3 (i.e. mp3, WMA and Ogg-vobis), SS will try to set it up - I think this is the way Squeezenetwork works as well. Around the same time there have been lots of problem with shoutcasts so there may have been updates there as well. Given the SB3 works well with other MP3 sources, it would indicate the problem is with Shoutcast and/or network between your SB Shoutcast. The problem may not have shown up in the past as the Shoutcast stream terminated in the PC and MP3 data was rebroadcast by SS to SB. At the moment you cannot force MP3 to be handled by SS - I am chasing a bug in this area and I found this anomaly. So the only real way to find out what's going on (don't forget it could be a router issue !) is to fire up Ethereal or similar. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
