Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > ... I'm still hoping to get philipp_44's solution to work for me. And now it does! squeeze2upnp is the business. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp (Beta - derived from squeezelite) to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC and Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Squeezelite to PC sound. Minimserver (server) and upplay (control point) to same amps & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Meridian USB Explorer DAC from PCs to speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS/upplay via Firefox. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
I'd just like to put in a plug for a linux UPnP Control Point I found recently, called upplay. When used with a good UPnP server such as minimserver it's almost as good as LMS on my UPnP-compliant amplifiers. The same author also has a way of running a UPnP renderer on a linux PC, called upmpdcli. See http://www.lesbonscomptes.com/upplay/ . LMS has all sorts of spohistication I don't use, and some I still need such as being able to develop tools such as random play of classical 'works' at or above a specified rating range. I'm still hoping to get philipp_44's solution to work for me. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Alternatively squeezelite to a bit of home-cooked code and thence to M1 CLiC using a UPNP stream. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
I've done some progress and moved to http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102203-uPNP-control-point. It will take me probably a lot of time to have a first decent version and then continue and polishing. I'd like to have opinions here. I can focus on a few things, not in order 1- Synchronisation (very challenging) or at least simultaneous playback start 2- Perfect gateway: most of the command on SB are on SO, including when volume is changed on SO, it is forwarded to SB/LMS. That would also include metadata exchanges 3- Audio quality : more transcoders on the fly (I don't like that), or use or replaygain and cross fade 4- configurability : how to setup the system and decide which uPNP machine can have a SB "buddy" and possibility to have parameters different for each pair 5- Stability A PoC version is available - cross finger it will not do bad on your PC :-) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
aubuti wrote: > ... with "album" defined however you wish. I prefer to tag so that > album=work, whether or not that corresponds to what is on a particular > disc I like to preserve the 'Album' concept (I have many recital type Albums containing excerpts of many Works), so have custom tags for 'Work', 'Movement' and 'WorkArtist', and use Erland's excellent plugins to provide menus for them. Some other servers also support such custom tags, but generally not as well. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > I listen almost exclusively to classical music, which tends to have a > much wider dynamic range than other styles of music. I find it best if I > choose the volume I want rather than relying on software to do it for me > :) That would argue against using track replaygain, agreed. But if you use album replaygain it doesn't affect the dynamic range of tracks within a given album. (With "album" defined however you wish. I prefer to tag so that album=work, whether or not that corresponds to what is on a particular disc.) aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > As I said, I'd be very interested to see how you get on - please keep us > posted! I will, binary and source code as soon as I have something not too ugly. This evening, I was fighting with Squeezelite to make it multi-threaded inisde one single app (one thread per discovered uPNP MediaControler). There are a few globals that need to be put back in thread context. I also skimmed all the code that is linked to real audio HW, as it does not make sense for what I'm doing ... becoming squeezetiny :-) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
philippe_44 wrote: > ...For that project, I've decided to try to see if I could build a > fully SW, auto-setup, no complicated installation required, bridge > between each Sonos device and LMS... As I said, I'd be very interested to see how you get on - please keep us posted! LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
dafiend wrote: > Isn't UPnP a HUGE step back? What about replaygain, gapless playback, > support for wide variety of formats, tight synchronization of devices > etc. > > What's the limitation with replacing squeezebox devices with hifiberrys > and the like? why these obvious ads for the overpriced and less flexible > sonos system in every replacement thread? Just a quick answer (although I've read your other arguments with PasTim) : this is all about a transition strategy to be able to inject any uPNP media renderer in your network and still be able to use it in conjunction with your existing LMS "ecosystem". I personally love iPeng, for example. But the reality is that the BoomBox, Radio and other SB are discontinued and some people like to buy off-the shelf, consumer grade & look "extensions/replacement" solutions and just have them working out-of-the box, even if they don't have all the flexibility of a native SB device. Some prefer quality of sound above any complication, some prefer simplicity of use of purist quality. Some prefer to be more hobbyist and tinker with hardware. I'm sitting a bit on both chairs, sometimes I go the HW route, sometimes the SW route, sometimes a bit of both. For that project, I've decided to try to see if I could build a fully SW, auto-setup, no complicated installation required, bridge between each Sonos device and LMS, so that a Sonos device would automatically show up in the LMS device list. I'm not saying this is the best and/or only solution, I'm just trying this route that would work very well for me (currently that "bridge" is done in HW in my system, by analogue connection between a Touch and PLAY:5, this is flawless for sync but not great for control). At the end of the day, this is a fun project and hopefully it will work and be useful for others. If not, I'll still have learnt something during that development :-) BTW, I'm _not_ solely focused on Sonos, any MediaRenderer will work, in fact my app discovers and manages a JBL and a Marants devices that sits in my home, but my n°1 objective currently is Sonos. philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
dafiend wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree. But a big part of the problem with UPnP, in my > mind, is that it's mostly implemented in products with closed > software/firmware. > That's why I don't really use any of it except the stream capture feature. I have three different devices that all work with a plain flac stream with no library information and no control facility required of them other than to decode the stream they are given. The only tweak I have to apply is to use different quality output (24/96 for 2, 24/192 for the other - mainly just to prove it works!). Using UPnP renderers as controllers, using libraries, different formats etc, I agree with you. I have a Humax PVR which is very particular with both video formats and how the library works - very few video streams work at all. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > One of the enormous advantages of open and free software is that forums, > like this one, often work really well. One can comment on 'features', > and get answers. > I wholeheartedly agree. But a big part of the problem with UPnP, in my mind, is that it's mostly implemented in products with closed software/firmware. I own a 4-5 year old Blu Ray player from LG which is DLNA certified. Since a firmware update which I got maybe 3 years ago, it reboots (!) whenever I try to browse one of my UPnP AV servers. It does that with all four servers I've tried (the one running on my current router, the one running on my previous router, LMS, and the one running on my Synology NAS). Googling reveals it is a widespread problem with that LG model. LG won't do anything to fix it. The device is out of its warranty and support period and they want you to buy a newer model. And, of course, the device is pretty much locked down so you can't just fix the issue yourself. And the latest firmware from LG has NOT fixed the issue. Then I have a Sony LCD TV which is maybe 3 years old. It's DLNA-certified as well. But apparently, they merely wanted to implement DLNA so that they have it as a checkbox feature. It can play hardly any format. JPEG, MPEG-2, MP3, that's it. Sony is still providing firmware updates for the TV. But all they seem to be doing is to work on their own VoD services and on Amazon VoD. You can forget about advanced DLNA/UPnP features. Lastly, I have Pioneer AV receiver. 2014 model. On paper, it doesn't look so bad. It supports many formats/containers. However, it completely sucks as a controller, the GUI frequently hangs and functionality is extremely basic. I haven't figured out how to play to it (except for initiating the playback from the AV receiver itself). And, as Pio has released the 2015 model, it's unlikely to receive any further firmware updates. After all, Pio wants me to buy a new model in a few years and accumulate suffiently many new features in the meantime. Compare that to a Raspberry Pi. I bought one in January 2013. It's been getting OS and application updates ever since. The community is so large that I predict I will receive updates (including new features) for at least another 3 years. Now, I could try to put custom firmwares on some of my proprietary, DLNA-capable devices (nowadays it's even possible to root some Sony TVs). But I certainly don't wanna brick a 47" HDTV which I plan to continue using for a number of years. Compare that to a Pi which is basically un-brickable. TL;DR: Most closed DLNA devices give you limited functionality and, furthermore, have a extremely limited support lifecycle. Sure, the Pi (or other suitable devices) constitutes yet another gadget. But it's open, configurable, and it's much more future-proof than any DLNA box you can buy off-the-shelf. > > I listen almost exclusively to classical music, which tends to have a > much wider dynamic range than other styles of music. I find it best if I > choose the volume I want rather than relying on software to do it for me > :) Ok, that makes sense then. dafiend's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
dafiend wrote: > ...I still think if you don't need much of the functionality of LMS, it > may be better to switch to a different product entirely. For example, > have you looked at 'Asset UPnP' > (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/asset-upnp-dlna.htm)? > I use LMS, with additional plugins supporting non-standard tags and customised menus, precisely because the LMS software user interface is way ahead of anything else I have used. MinimServer and foobar2000 come close in their own ways, but are still not nearly as good (I haven't tried Asset, not least because it isn't free). One of the enormous advantages of open and free software is that forums, like this one, often work really well. One can comment on 'features', and get answers. No one is saying "it isn't worth the money", and so on. > ...I think ReplayGain tags based on EBU R128 (as implemented in fb2k) > work reasonably well. Mastering of albums tends to get louder from year > to year. To me, the loudness jump when listening, say, to an album > mastered in the 2000s right after an album mastered in the late 1980s > seems very artificial. I listen almost exclusively to classical music, which tends to have a much wider dynamic range than other styles of music. I find it best if I choose the volume I want rather than relying on software to do it for me :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
@PasTim: I just re-read some pages of this thread and I suppose the points I made had already been raised. Although, I still disagree with you. For one, I do think a small additional device is not as much of a burden as you make it out to be. (Particularly, cheap solutions based on Pi + HDMI out + picoreplayer or Android box + Squeeze Player exist and don't require much fiddling.) For another, I still think if you don't need much of the functionality of LMS, it may be better to switch to a different product entirely. For example, have you looked at 'Asset UPnP' (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/asset-upnp-dlna.htm)? But anyways, I now realize the discussion was already a bit beyond the points I raised. Apologies. dafiend's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
dafiend wrote: > Isn't UPnP a HUGE step back? What about replaygain, gapless playback, > support for wide variety of formats, tight synchronization of devices > etc. > I never use replaygain since I find the effect very artificial (I have never understood why people use it). Playing using the tools I am using is gapless since it is a continuous stream from squeezlite (which is gapless), not a separate series of tracks. The renderer knows nothing about the tracks. All my tracks are flacs, and anyway LMS and squeezelite manage transformations perfectly well. And finally, I don't synchronise devices in separate rooms - I sit down to listen to music. I just find all the extra hardware, software and cables to be extra sources of problems (and maintenance), preferring to pipe digitally from the server to the end DAC with only ethernet (and associated switches) in the way. We are all different :-) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Isn't UPnP a HUGE step back? What about replaygain, gapless playback, support for wide variety of formats, tight synchronization of devices etc. What's the limitation with replacing squeezebox devices with hifiberrys and the like? why these obvious ads for the overpriced and less flexible sonos system in every replacement thread? dafiend's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=60637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > Good luck! When you get something working I wouldn't mind trying it > myself if you are willing to make it available. > > If I could have worked out how to tack on the UPnP streaming code to > squeezelite I would have done it in the one application myself, but I'm > too rusty at software development. Reducing the amount of transcoding > would be sensible but I couldn't manage that. I don't need my renderer > to display what it was playing, so stream capture is good enough for my > needs. Hi - I'm doing some progress with that, as mentionned on another thread. All uPNP MediaRendered are now discovered automatically and my app is capable to control them (play, stop, pause) and tell them to either play a file that my app pushes directly or to go an get an URI from another uPNP mediaserver (could be LMS). As a curiosity, in your example, how long is the delay between a "start" and an actual "play" on uPNP devices ? and how long is the stop to real stop ? philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
philippe_44 wrote: > Thanks - I'll try to create something that is a single app that puts > together Squeezelite and a uPNP media controller (basic) to instruct a > uPNP media renderer (Sonos in my case) to HTTP-GET the audio from that > app. I want everything together in a single app as I want to avoid > transcoding for the sake of CPU efficiency. I'm not sure I'll be able to > do that and it will certainly take me some time anyway, especially > because, despite I'm a SW developer, I'm not familiar at all with uPNP, > so we'll see, might be failure :-) I've started going through uPNP specs > and all different options, available libraries for both Linux and > Windows. But I'll certainly learn from the work you have done ! Good luck! When you get something working I wouldn't mind trying it myself if you are willing to make it available. If I could have worked out how to tack on the UPnP streaming code to squeezelite I would have done it in the one application myself, but I'm too rusty at software development. Reducing the amount of transcoding would be sensible but I couldn't manage that. I don't need my renderer to display what it was playing, so stream capture is good enough for my needs. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > See my post at > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101721-Using-LMS-with-network-connected-amplifiers-without-SB-devices&p=783536&viewfull=1#post783536 > > It isn't quite perfect, but I now use it all the time. Thanks - I'll try to create something that is a single app that put together Squeezelite and a uPNP media controller (basic) to instruct a uPNP media renderer (Sonos in my case) to HTTP-GET the audio from that app. I want everything together as I want to avoid transcoding for the sake of CPU efficiency. I'm not sure I'll be able to do that and it will certainly take me some time anyway, especially because, despite I'm a SW developer, I'm not familiar at all with uPNP, so we'll see :-) But I'll certainly learn from the work you have done ! philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
philippe_44 wrote: > Hi - I am interested (bridging LMS and Sonos) See my post at http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...l=1#post783536 It isn't quite perfect, but I now use it all the time. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > I have now worked out how to pipe squeezelite directly to sox (not too > hard, but I'm a little slow on the uptake at times), which packs it into > a wav format and makes it available over http via UPnP to my players. I > have also cracked the maximum bit rate issue, which was a setting needed > on squeezelite to ensure it output at a specified rate and no other so > sox knows what it is getting. > > I can run separate squeezelites for each renderer, and a local one as > well. Whether I can get them to sync I don't know yet, but I'm not that > fussed about that. > > I can also now dispose once again of pulseaudio. > > If anyone is interested in how this now works I'll post more here. If > not, thanks for all your help, if not altogether too encouraging from > some! :) Hi - I am interested (bridging LMS and Sonos) philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > So, should I publish on the "3rd Party Software sub-forum" and see what > follows? Well I have done. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101721-Using-LMS-with-network-connected-amplifiers-without-SB-devices&p=783536&viewfull=1#post783536 In future I'll use that new thread for any updates, rather than this one. Note that there are some changes and additions to the start-up script, described in section 5b, and quite a lot of change to the python program. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
I think I have got as far as I can without input from those more knowledgeable, and probably wiser, than I. The state of play now is that: - I have cleaned up the logs so that they aren't full of trace callback errors whenever the player/renderer is restarted - spare flac/sox programs (usually) aren't left lying around - there are a few configuration additions from the versions published here up to now, such that the python program shouldn't have to be edited - I've sprinkled a few hopefully helpful comments in the scripts - I am finishing up some documentation on how to set it up. However: 1) wavs play fine up to the limit of a single wav (> 3 hours for CD quality) and then stop - reselecting the playlist on the player/renderer restarts it 2) flacs play providing there is something has already started playing when the player/renderer selects the stream URL. However if you pause a track and restart it, and sometimes when changing tracks, you often have to reselect the stream URL on the player/renderer. I suspect the problem is that when nothing is playing, flac (from the flac or sox programs) produces no output (unlike for wavs from sox when there is a constant stream of data) and the stream protocol fails. I am not quite sure if there is an absolute upper time limit on the flac stream but it's > 3 hours at 24/192 provided the music doesn't stop! So, should I publish on the "3rd Party Software sub-forum" and see what follows? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Mnyb wrote: > Another venue to explore is to "rescue" LMS own dlna plugin debug and > extend it's capability , do you still have squeezelite instances as > middlemen and players . I do get why to LMS they are just fully > functionally squeezeboxes . I'd use the LMS dlna plugin to select the http stream (from an m3u playlist containing just the http stream URL) if I could, but it doesn't seem to have that functionality. I use minimserver instead. I'm sure other servers would do just as well for this very limited functionality of getting a URL to a renderer. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
I'm close, but still have a niggle or 2. I've had it running on flac 24/96 for nearly 3 hours so far without a stop, so I think the maximum size issue is resolved by using flac. However, with flac output (generated using flac or sox), when play stops at the end of the current list, and then you start playing again, the renderer doesn't play straight away. If you reselect the stream on the renderer it plays. A similar problem occurs if you pause play using the web page and then restart. I'm preparing a fuller explanation of how to get all this up and running and will publish it on a separate thread fairly soon. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ralphy wrote:
> Yes, please and thank you.
Here you are.
Note that you need to supply all the environment variables as shown
here, included the FORMAT as WAV (uses sox) or FLAC (uses flac), and
COMPRESSION -0 to -8 (or --fast), and the HOST IP address.
Script to kill off any existing player and start again.
Code:
pkill -SIGKILL -f playstreamMF
pkill -SIGKILL -f Play-Stream-MF
export BITRATE=192000
export DEPTH=24
export VBPORT=8082
export COMPRESSION="-4"
export FORMAT='FLAC'
export HOST="192.168.1.10"
/storage/Scripts/squeezelite-streamMF.sh 2>
/storage/Scripts/squeezeliteMF.err | /storage/Scripts/playstreamMF 2>>
/storage/Scripts/playstreamMF.err &
With WAV the player stops when it has received 2^31 bytes. Reselecting
the stream on the player restarts it. I'm not sure whether it is doing
something similar for FLAC (I haven't had long enough to do enough
tests).
With FLAC, if you pause playing using the LMS web interface you seem to
need to restart the player. This isn't true with WAV. Starting the
FLAC stream is also somewhat temperamental on both my players. I think
this is to do with the player software rather than the python program.
If you select the stream and leave it alone it seems to run reliably for
at least a couple of hours.
The python program.
Code:
#!/usr/bin/python
import BaseHTTPServer
import SocketServer
import subprocess # For running flac, sox
or whatever
import sys# For writing to stderr
import os # For environment
variables
HOST = os.environ.get('HOST') # The server host. Can
also be set to ""
PORT = int(os.environ.get('VBPORT'))# An http port
BITRATE = int(os.environ.get('BITRATE')) # Bitrate 44100, 48000,
96000 or 192000
DEPTH = int(os.environ.get('DEPTH')) # A valid depth - 16,
24 or 32
COMPRESSION = os.environ.get('COMPRESSION') # Set to -4, or
--fast or similar for flac
FORMAT = os.environ.get('FORMAT') # Format must be FLAC
or WAV
FLACMIMETYPE = 'audio/flac'
WAVMIMETYPE = 'audio/x-wav'
BUFFER = 65536
class Handler(BaseHTTPServer.BaseHTTPRequestHandler):
def do_HEAD(s):
sys.stderr.write (str(s.client_address) + str(', ') + str(s.path) + str(', ')
+ str(s.command) + '\n')
s.send_response(200) # OK
if FORMAT == "FLAC":# A Flac or WAV audio
format
MIMETYPE = FLACMIMETYPE
else:
MIMETYPE = WAVMIMETYPE
s.send_header('Content-Type', MIMETYPE) # Wav/flac
# We don't, and can't know the length. However, sending a Content-Length
header with flac doesn't work, so I don't.
# I also tried 'chunked' output, but that didn't work with one of my
renderers and flac.
s.end_headers()
def do_GET(s):
s.do_HEAD() # Send the headers
# Use flac or sox to transform raw data to flac or wav, using the environment
variables for bitrate and depth (bits) and compression.
# All input is raw from stdin, and out to stdout (default for -c). Warnings
are errors. No info/error messages.
if FORMAT == "FLAC":
engine = 'flac - -w --totally-silent --force-raw-format --channels 2 --bps '
+ str(DEPTH) + ' --sample-rate ' + str(BITRATE) + ' --endian little --sign
signed ' + str(COMPRESSION)
elif FORMAT == "WAV":
engine = 'sox -t raw -r ' + str(BITRATE) + ' -b ' + str(DEPTH) + ' -L
-e signed -c 2 - -t wav - '
else:
sys.stderr.write(str('Assuming WAV format') + '\n')
engine = 'sox -t raw -r ' + str(BITRATE) + ' -b ' + str(DEPTH) + ' -L
-e signed -c 2 - -t wav - '
pa = subprocess.Popen (engine, shell = True, bufsize = BUFFER, stdout =
subprocess.PIPE)
# Loop until no data or an error, reading and writing.
try:
while True:
data = pa.stdout.read(1024)
if len(data) == 0: break
s.wfile.write(data)
sys.stderr.write(str('No more data') + '\n')
except: # Any error is bad news
for real time data
sys.stderr.write(str('Exception whilst reading audio stream') + '\n')
raise
# Done. Report and kill off the subprocess.
finally:
pa.kill()
# Execution starts here
# Allow the port to be re-used. If there's a failure but the client keeps
the port open, restarting the server can fail
# unless this is set.
SocketServer.TCPServer.allow_reuse_address = True
# Define the server, using the above host and port, executing the Handler
class
httpd = SocketServer.TCPServer((HOST, PORT), Handler)
sys.stderr.write(str('listening on port ') + str(PORT)
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
If you eventually get down to a generic solution ( or what could be adapted to a generic solution ) . I sugests keeping stream.wav and stream.pcm in the game as it probably would suite even more clients . I haven't kept up with all you done , very good anyway :) the pieces I understand . Another venue to explore is to "rescue" LMS own dlna plugin debug and extend it's capability , do you still have squeezelite instances as middlemen and players . I do get why to LMS they are just fully functionally squeezeboxes . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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PasTim wrote: > > > Yes, please and thank you. Ralphy *1*-Touch, *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *1*-Reverted UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4q8dvq20iyz9e/Builds) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezeslave¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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PasTim wrote: > I'm getting this problem with both flac and sox (sending flac format). > It seems a thread is left running whenever the player reconnects. I'm > struggling to find a way to kill it, my python skills being negligible. > I don't recall seeing this when I sent wav format, but it may be that I > just didn't notice. I've cracked that problem, but I should probably do more testing before going public. Ralphy - if you want my revised flac script just let me know and I'll post it here. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ralphy wrote: > This is what happens to me with sox and flac, but using the older script > verion. > > I'll retry sox with the newer script to see if I get the same behaviour. > I'm running debian 7 32-bit. I'm getting this problem with both flac and sox (sending flac format). It seems a thread is left running whenever the player reconnects. I'm struggling to find a way to kill it, my python skills being negligible. I don't recall seeing this when I sent wav format, but it may be that I just didn't notice. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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PasTim wrote: > Thanks. What problems do you get that cause it to fail? PasTim wrote: > I am now fighting flac itself. If I drop the connection from the client > and reconnect, I get another copy of the flac process and its shell. > With sox this did not happen. I have absolutely no idea why. I shall, > at some point, by dint of trial and loads of error, find out how to stop > this. This is what happens to me with sox and flac, but using the older script verion. I'll retry sox with the newer script to see if I get the same behaviour. I'm running debian 7 32-bit. Ralphy *1*-Touch, *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *1*-Reverted UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4q8dvq20iyz9e/Builds) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezeslave¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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get.amped wrote: > And yet you have made remarkable progress from when you first posed the > question and will at least have a "proof of concept" that should be of > continuing value. This forum is full of threads that represent the work > started by one person to address a specific need that then is expanded > upon by others to do more. Thanks for the encouragement. I shall persist! LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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PasTim wrote: > Thanks. > > If and when I finally get all of the kinks out of this I'll start a new > thread. It will, however, only show what works with my systems, my > software skills being somewhat limited these days in terms of providing > a well thought out generic solution. I am, for my sins, very much a > hack at this :) And yet you have made remarkable progress from when you first posed the question and will at least have a "proof of concept" that should be of continuing value. This forum is full of threads that represent the work started by one person to address a specific need that then is expanded upon by others to do more. Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 -> Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 -> Cambridge Audio DacMagic -> NAD C160 -> 2 x NAD C272 -> Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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get.amped wrote: > Your perseverance is admirable. I have been following this thread with > some interest even though I do not specifically have a scenario in which > this implementation is useful. I really hope you work all the kinks out. > When you do, maybe you will post another thread in the 3rd Party > Software sub-forum with an appropriate heading and specific steps you > found worked? I believe others will undertake this project once the > trail is blazed but it's not obvious what path you took from the thread > title. Thanks. If and when I finally get all of the kinks out of this I'll start a new thread. It will, however, only show what works with my systems, my software skills being somewhat limited these days in terms of providing a well thought out generic solution. I am, for my sins, very much a hack at this :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Your perseverance is admirable. I have been following this thread with some interest even though I do not specifically have a scenario in which this implementation is useful. I really hope you work all the kinks out. When you do, maybe you will post another thread in the 3rd Party Software sub-forum with an appropriate heading and specific steps you found worked? I believe others will undertake this project once the trail is blazed but it's not obvious what path you took from the thread title. Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.9.0 -> Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 -> Cambridge Audio DacMagic -> NAD C160 -> 2 x NAD C272 -> Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > Before heading down this direction you'd need to check whether your > player can actually play a http/flac stream as in your stream.flac. It > is not common format and as such I think many players don't know how to > handle it. > > If you want to explore this - you can try getting VLC to produce a > http/flac stream that is playable by your player. I tried a while a few > years ago and never succeeded but things may have changed in the > meantime. My main test player/renderers can play flac. Using minimal compression flac is using less cpu that sox used to. My other player seems not to, but I may not have set it up right. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > If LMS had a 'stream.flac' as well as a 'stream.mp3' all this would be > unnecessary, but I guess that's a wish too far! Before heading down this direction you'd need to check whether your player can actually play a http/flac stream as in your stream.flac. It is not common format and as such I think many players don't know how to handle it. If you want to explore this - you can try getting VLC to produce a http/flac stream that is playable by your player. I tried a while a few years ago and never succeeded but things may have changed in the meantime. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ralphy wrote:
> I've not reported on my success, as I haven't been able to get the
> scripts to work consistently with my popcorn hour. 1 time in 4 play
> attempts connect and play the stream.
Thanks. I believe the time-limiting problem was the wav file (as bpa
suggested). I am, coincidentally, also trying flac as I write, my
script now as below. I'm passing some environment variables so I can
ensure squeezelite and the python program do the same thing. So far
with this version the first time I tried to connect it appeared to
succeed but didn't play, but from then on it's been flawless. However,
I have to wait an hour or more on my test system to know if it's going
to stop, which limits my testing opportunities. What problems do you
get that cause it to fail?
It seems a bit silly to get my flacs converted to raw in squeezelite,
and back to flac again, but never mind. If LMS had a 'stream.flac' as
well as a 'stream.mp3' all this would be unnecessary, but I guess that's
a wish too far!
Python - playstreamMarantz (a symbolic link to the python program so I
can have multiple distinguishable copies) - a version using 'chunked'
output - change the HOST for your system:
Code:
#!/usr/bin/python
import BaseHTTPServer
import SocketServer
import subprocess # For running sox
import sys# For writing to stderr
import os # For environment
variables
PORT = int(os.environ.get('VBPORT'))
HOST = "192.168.1.10"
BITRATE = int(os.environ.get('BITRATE'))
DEPTH = int(os.environ.get('DEPTH'))
MIMETYPE = 'audio/flac'
BUFFER = 65536
class Handler(BaseHTTPServer.BaseHTTPRequestHandler):
def do_HEAD(s):
sys.stderr.write (str(s.client_address) + str(', ') + str(s.path) + str(', ')
+ str(s.command) + '\n')
s.send_response(200) # OK
s.send_header('Content-Type', MIMETYPE) # Wav
s.send_header('Content-Length', '0') # length unknown
s.send_header('Transfer-Encoding', 'chunked') # Chunked
s.end_headers()
def do_GET(s):
s.do_HEAD() # Send the headers
# Use flac to transform raw data to flac, using the environment variables for
bitrate and depth (bits)
pa = subprocess.Popen('flac - -c --channels 2 --bps ' + str(DEPTH) + '
--sample-rate ' + str(BITRATE) + ' --endian little --sign signed --fast', shell
= True, bufsize = BUFFER, stdout = subprocess.PIPE)
# Loop until no data, reading and writing
while True:
data = pa.stdout.read(1024)
if len(data) == 0: break
s.wfile.write('%X\r\n%s\r\n'%(len(data), data))
# Done. Send null chunk
s.wfile.write('0\r\n\r\n')
sys.stderr.write(str('stream closed') + '\n')
# Allow the port to be re-used. If there's a failure but the client keeps
the port open, restarting the server can fail
# unless this is set.
SocketServer.TCPServer.allow_reuse_address = True
httpd = SocketServer.TCPServer((HOST, PORT), Handler)
sys.stderr.write(str('listening on port ') + str(PORT) + '\n')
# And now do the above
try:
httpd.serve_forever()
# Close if run from terminal and closed, or a sigkill/term is received.
except (KeyboardInterrupt, SystemExit):
pass # Nothing
httpd.server_close()
Squeezelite - squeezelite-streamMarantz.sh - (using version 1.6.2 -
which works with a log file)
Code:
/home/.../Programs/squeezelite-x86-64 -o - -a $DEPTH -n Play-Stream-Marantz
-m 00:00:00:00:00:02 -r $BITRATE -p 25 -u X -s localhost:3483 -f
/storage/Scripts/squeezeliteMarantz.log -d output=info
Main script to run the player.
Code:
pkill -SIGKILL -f playstreamMarantz
pkill -SIGKILL -f Play-Stream-Marantz
BITRATE=96000
DEPTH=24
VBPORT=8083
export BITRATE
export DEPTH
export VBPORT
/storage/Scripts/squeezelite-streamMarantz.sh 2>
/storage/Scripts/squeezliteMarantz.err | /storage/Scripts/playstreamMarantz 2>
/storage/Scripts/playstreamMarantz.err &
LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC.
Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian
Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as
required. Spare Touch in loft.
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PasTim wrote:
> I have looked at the wav file (created by sox) that is being streamed,
> and it does indeed have a size of just under 2GB. I tried setting the
> overall file size to 0 (after a rather rapid bit of learning about
> python, with which I am almost totally unfamiliar), which neither
> renderer liked. I also tried setting the data chunk size to 0, and
> again neither renderer liked that.
>
> So it looks as if you are correct, as usual :)
>
> I discovered there is an extended version of wav, called w64, but I
> suspect neither of my renderers will like it. I'll give it a quick try
> if I can get sox to support it.
I might just be sox, perhaps try using the flac binary from lms as we
know that supports > 2GB streaming.
Code:
--- playstreamMarantz.orig 2014-06-06 07:12:08.0 -0400
+++ playstreamMarantz 2014-06-11 07:36:49.0 -0400
@@ -6,7 +6,7 @@
PORT = 8083
-MIMETYPE = 'audio/x-wav'
+MIMETYPE = 'audio/flac'
BUFFER = 65536
class Handler(BaseHTTPServer.BaseHTTPRequestHandler):
@@ -17,7 +17,7 @@
s.end_headers()
def do_GET(s):
s.do_HEAD()
-pa = subprocess.Popen('sox -t raw -r 96000 -b 24 -L -e signed -c 2 - -t
wav - ', shell = True, bufsize = BUFFER, stdout = subprocess.PIPE)
+pa = subprocess.Popen('/opt/logitechmediaserver/Bin/x86_64-linux/flac
--totally-silent --force-raw-format --compression-level-4 --endian=little
--channels=2 --bps=24 --sign=signed --sample-rate=96000 -c - ', shell = True,
bufsize = BUFFER, stdout = subprocess.PIPE)
while True:
data = pa.stdout.read(1024)
if len(data) == 0: break
I've not reported on my success, as I haven't been able to get the
scripts to work consistently with my popcorn hour. 1 time in 4 play
attempts connect and play the stream.
Ralphy
*1*-Touch, *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *1*-Reverted UE Radio
'Squeezebox client builds'
(https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4q8dvq20iyz9e/Builds) 'donations'
(https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezeslave¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted)
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Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
bpa wrote: > This "feels" like the maximum frame count in the WAV file header. Is > you solution sending audio as WAV stream or a WAV file with a WVA > header ? If so what is the length the header ? IIRC a length of 0 > should be assumed by the "player" as infinite/stream but not all players > understand it. IIRC LMS veraion fo Flac was modded to generate a WAV > header length of 0 and sometimes users replace the LMS Flac by a > standard distro Flac and get a similar problem with transcoded stream. I have looked at the wav file (created by sox) that is being streamed, and it does indeed have a size of just under 2GB. I tried setting the overall file size to 0 (after a rather rapid bit of learning about python, with which I am almost totally unfamiliar), which neither renderer liked. I also tried setting the data chunk size to 0, and again neither renderer liked that. So it looks as if you are correct, as usual :) I discovered there is an extended version of wav, called w64, but I suspect neither of my renderers will like it. I'll give it a quick try if I can get sox to support it. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
bpa wrote: > This "feels" like the maximum frame count in the WAV file header. Is > you solution sending audio as WAV stream or a WAV file with a WVA > header ? If so what is the length the header ? IIRC a length of 0 > should be assumed by the "player" as infinite/stream but not all players > understand it. IIRC LMS veraion fo Flac was modded to generate a WAV > header length of 0 and sometimes users replace the LMS Flac by a > standard distro Flac and get a similar problem with transcoded stream. I'm streaming wav over http. Since I don't (and can't) know the total length I am using the chunked transfer coding. I have seen elsewhere that some systems impose a 2GB limit on a stream, but all I really know as yet is that at 2GB the stream is closed, I believe by the client but I can't prove it. I'll try setting the 'content length' to 0 as well. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > Briefly, I cannot send more than 2GigaBytes (2^31 - 2,147,483,648). The > connection is closed at that point and must be manually restarted at the > renderer. This is about 31 minutes at 24/192, 62 minutes at 24/96, or > over 3 hours at CD quality. A bit of a pain really. I've tried sending > 'chunks' in the HTTP protocol, which made no difference. This "feels" like the maximum frame count in the WAV file header. Is you solution sending audio as WAV stream or a WAV file with a WVA header ? If so what is the length the header ? IIRC a length of 0 should be assumed by the "player" as infinite/stream but not all players understand it. IIRC LMS veraion fo Flac was modded to generate a WAV header length of 0 and sometimes users replace the LMS Flac by a standard distro Flac and get a similar problem with transcoded stream. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
I have hit a problem with my method that currently appears to have no solution, so if you are trying it, beware. Briefly, I cannot send more than 2GigaBytes (2^31 - 2,147,483,648). The connection is closed at that point and must be manually restarted at the renderer. This is about 31 minutes at 24/192, 62 minutes at 24/96, or over 3 hours at CD quality. A bit of a pain really. I've tried sending 'chunks' in the HTTP protocol, which made no difference. This is not the place to ask questions about this so I won't bore you with the details. However, if you happen to know the answer I'd be very grateful! There must be a way round it, but so far no joy. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
epoch1970 wrote: > @PasTim: would you have any need for that? 'Init script to launch > multiple squeezelite players' > (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98261-Sys-V-init-script-to-manage-multiple-squeezelite-players&p=740201&viewfull=1#post740201) > Not that the code is exemplary. But I had picked on OpenVPN's startup > scripts design, which is very flexible in that it allows to launch (all > or) any tunnel instance, each with its own configuration peculiarities. > > Per-player launch scripts are sourced by the main script, so you can > basically do anything you want in it (including shutdown or rm -rf /, > indeed.) Players scripts receive the stop or start context information, > same as the caller. > The scripts are outdated I think, some SL options have changed or have > been added since I wrote this. > Just in case, and recognizing the winner of an uphill battle ;) Thanks. If I get into difficulty with my current method of starting squeezelite I'll certainly try this. As things are it's all working OK for now :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
@PasTim: would you have any need for that? 'Init script to launch multiple squeezelite players' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98261-Sys-V-init-script-to-manage-multiple-squeezelite-players&p=740201&viewfull=1#post740201) Not that the code is exemplary. But I had picked on OpenVPN's startup scripts design, which is very flexible in that it allows to launch (all or) any tunnel instance, each with its own configuration peculiarities. Per-player launch scripts are sourced by the main script, so you can basically do anything you want in it (including shutdown or rm -rf /, indeed.) Players scripts receive the stop or start context information, same as the caller. The scripts are outdated I think, some SL options have changed or have been added since I wrote this. Just in case, and recognizing the winner of an uphill battle ;) 4 SB 3 iPeng (iPhone + iPad) SqueezeLite Squeezebox Server 7.8.1 (Debian 7.5) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput by bpa IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Server Power Control by Gordon Harris Smart Mix by Michael Herger PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld ShairTunes by StuartUSA Local Player, BBC iPlayer, SwitchPlayer by Triode Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Triode wrote: > I believe if you use squeezelite 1.6.2 or the latest git you should not > need to do this? Quite correct. I only just found this out from the main squeezelite thread - thanks. I'll tweak my script accordingly. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > One, hopefully final, tweak, is a way to get the squeezelite log. > > Add -d output=info (or whatever level you want) to the squeezelite > script and in the script that pipes the output add 2> > /squeezelite.err before the pipe. > > I have updated the scripts in comment #51 accordingly. I believe if you use squeezelite 1.6.2 or the latest git you should not need to do this? Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > I have one more fix applied to the script, adding > > SocketServer.TCPServer.allow_reuse_address = True > > This allows the http port to be reused if the script is killed and > restarted, at which point the player will renderer will stop and lose > the connection, which seems reasonable to me. > > The internet is a wonderful thing. I found this knowing next to nothing > about sockets, ports and python. :) One, hopefully final, tweak, is a way to get the squeezelite log. Add -d output=info (or whatever level you want) to the squeezelite script and in the script that pipes the output add 2> /squeezelite.err before the pipe. I have updated the scripts in comment #51 accordingly. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
lrossouw wrote: > Not a bad solution you got there. I would personally prefer the a > Pi/wandboard solution but this may be useful/simple way to use other > devices that cannot run squeezelite or similar but do play streams. I > think you can try to sync using timing settings on the server somewhere. > It's not that easy and it won't be as good as a typical setup. PasTim wrote: > Thanks. One less bit of hardware, cables, digital interfaces, plus > operating system, seems much simpler and neater to me, but I know some > people like having another bit of kit. > > I did briefly try syncing (and I have the syncoptions plugin installed), > but I don't think it will work too well. I've never used it other than > for idle interest, so I'm not too bothered. yes i think only a "real" player would give you working sync . you may also experience short lags in controll play pause stop depending on how the dlna sofware player in the reciever works . Example a real squeezebox has a alarge buffer about 30 seconds ,but the playback controll comands bypass that down in the player so your never bothered when using the player . and the small adjustments needed for sync is also done down in the player . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
lrossouw wrote: > Not a bad solution you got there. I would personally prefer the a > Pi/wandboard solution but this may be useful/simple way to use other > devices that cannot run squeezelite or similar but do play streams. I > think you can try to sync using timing settings on the server somewhere. > It's not that easy and it won't be as good as a typical setup. Thanks. One less bit of hardware, cables, digital interfaces, plus operating system, seems much simpler and neater to me, but I know some people like having another bit of kit. I did briefly try syncing (and I have the syncoptions plugin installed), but I don't think it will work too well. I've never used it other than for idle interest, so I'm not too bothered. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > And here I was assuming that your initial reply was implying (very > politely) that it was all easy and I was being slow in not understanding > how to do it! Maybe I should have more faith in my own tinkering > abilities :) > Not a bad solution you got there. I would personally prefer the a Pi/wandboard solution but this may be useful/simple way to use other devices that cannot run squeezelite or similar but do play streams. I think you can try to sync using timing settings on the server somewhere. It's not that easy and it won't be as good as a typical setup. Louis 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/lrossouw) lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
ralphy wrote: > Thank you for the update. > > Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to try it out last night, hopefully > tonight. I have one more fix applied to the script, adding SocketServer.TCPServer.allow_reuse_address = True This allows the http port to be reused if the script is killed and restarted, at which point the player will renderer will stop and lose the connection, which seems reasonable to me. The internet is a wonderful thing. I found this knowing next to nothing about sockets, ports and python. :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > To anyone trying out my scripts. I'm having a very strange problem > whenever I stop and restart squeezelite (which I've tried to do for > testing). Squeezelite goes up to 100% CPU almost every time. It seems > to stop OK, but then when started again it chews up a CPU. Because I > can't get a log yet, I can't figure out what the problem is. > > So don't stop and restart squeezelite running in this mode :( > > A fix to the python script applied in my earlier post #51 has solved > this provided the renderer (player) isn't playing the stream. If you > want to restart squeezelite, first stop the renderer from playing. This > releases the http port, which in turn lets the python script terminate, > which lets squeezelite communicate with it when restarted. If I find a > way to fix it when the renderer is still playing I'll note that here as > well. Thank you for the update. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to try it out last night, hopefully tonight. Ralphy *1*-Touch, *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *1*-Reverted UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4q8dvq20iyz9e/Builds) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezeslave¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
To anyone trying out my scripts. I'm having a very strange problem whenever I stop and restart squeezelite (which I've tried to do for testing). Squeezelite goes up to 100% CPU almost every time. It seems to stop OK, but then when started again it chews up a CPU. Because I can't get a log yet, I can't figure out what the problem is. So don't stop and restart squeezelite running in this mode :( LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Owen Smith wrote: > If I had a DLNA renderer in my amp I would be trying this out, it seems > like a great idea to me. I agree with not creating more hardware boxes > if none are needed.I know there's a mass of amplifiers out there without an > ethernet connection, so additional hardware is needed. However, many at all price levels do now provide this. I believe almost all that have an ethernet (or wireless) connection support DLNA. I'll be keeping my used Touch, and the one in a box in my loft, just in case :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
If I had a DLNA renderer in my amp I would be trying this out, it seems like a great idea to me. I agree with not creating more hardware boxes if none are needed. Owen Smith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
ralphy wrote:
> I'm interested.
>
> I couldn't use stdout from squeezelite in the python script without
> pretty much rewriting it.
>
> I modified the pa script yesterday to use arecord from an ALSA loopback
> and with squeezelite output pointed to the same loopback device, I could
> stream the content but it rebuffered a lot. I suspect playing around
> with the buffer sizes might fix it, but from your post in the
> squeezelite thread, sounds like your solution is much cleaner.
>
> Thanks in advance.
And here I was assuming that your initial reply was implying (very
politely) that it was all easy and I was being slow in not understanding
how to do it! Maybe I should have more faith in my own tinkering
abilities :)
My squeezelite script, named squeezelite-streamMarantz.sh, for my
Marantz player that will play 24/96 quality, is:
Code:
./squeezelite-x86-64 -o - -a 24 -n Play-Stream-Marantz -m
00:00:00:00:00:02 -r 96000 -p 25 -u X -s localhost:3483
where ... is the path to squeezelite. The -u X makes sure that the
output is at the specified rate, and the -m MAC is there to allow me to
run multiple players by varying the MAC.
My python script, named playstreamMarantz, for the same player, is as
below. The input to sox must be the same as the output from
squeezelite. The script makes the stream available on port 8083 without
further resampling.
Code:
#!/usr/bin/python
import BaseHTTPServer
import SocketServer
import subprocess
PORT = 8083
MIMETYPE = 'audio/x-wav'
BUFFER = 65536
class Handler(BaseHTTPServer.BaseHTTPRequestHandler):
def do_HEAD(s):
print s.client_address, s.path, s.command
s.send_response(200)
s.send_header('content-type', MIMETYPE)
s.end_headers()
def do_GET(s):
s.do_HEAD()
pa = subprocess.Popen('sox -t raw -r 96000 -b 24 -L -e signed -c 2 - -t wav -
', shell = True, bufsize = BUFFER, stdout = subprocess.PIPE)
while True:
data = pa.stdout.read(1024)
if len(data) == 0: break
s.wfile.write(data)
print 'stream closed'
httpd = SocketServer.TCPServer(("", PORT), Handler)
print "listening on port", PORT
try:
httpd.serve_forever()
except KeyboardInterrupt:
pass
httpd.server_close()
To run the player I run the following as the squeezelite user. I do
this by using a user command defined in the LMS server power control
plugin, which appears in the Extras menu. I also include it as a
command named '.autoexec' in that plugin, so it starts when LMS is
started. It starts by killing off any squeezelite and python script
previously running.
Code:
pkill -f Play-Stream-Marantz
pkill playstreamMarantz
sleep 5
/squeezelite-streamMarantz.sh | /playstreamMarantz >
./playstreamMarantz.out 2>&1 &
All scripts must be executable by the squeezeboxserver user.
To be tidier I could parameterise the scripts so that the rate, port and
so on where specified once in the startup script.
I still can't get the squeezelite log, but I am not using any audio
device or sink, which seems to me to be a clean solution. I've been
playing this all morning, OK so far.
LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC.
Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian
Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as
required. Spare Touch in loft.
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PasTim wrote: > I have now worked out how to pipe squeezelite directly to sox (not too > hard, but I'm a little slow on the uptake at times), which packs it into > a wav format and makes it available over http via UPnP to my players. I > have also cracked the maximum bit rate issue, which was a setting needed > on squeezelite to ensure it output at a specified rate and no other so > sox knows what it is getting. > > I can run separate squeezelites for each renderer, and a local one as > well. Whether I can get them to sync I don't know yet, but I'm not that > fussed about that. > > I can also now dispose once again of pulseaudio. > > If anyone is interested in how this now works I'll post more here. If > not, thanks for all your help, if not altogether too encouraging from > some! :) I'm interested. I couldn't use stdout from squeezelite in the python script without pretty much rewriting it. I modified the pa script yesterday to use arecord from an ALSA loopback and with squeezelite output pointed to the same loopback device, I could stream the content but it rebuffered a lot. I suspect playing around with the buffer sizes might fix it, but from your post in the squeezelite thread, sounds like your solution is much cleaner. Thanks in advance. Ralphy *1*-Touch, *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *1*-Reverted UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4q8dvq20iyz9e/Builds) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezeslave¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
GeeJay wrote: > I checked out the Aries, too, but saw the price tag and moved on. Since > I need a multi-room solution, the bill would be astronomical for me. > > It is a cool looking unit, though. I'll be interested in your report, > even if I can't afford to act on a positive review! > > PS: Agreed on Olive. I can't believe how uncommunicative they've been. > Makes one suspicious, and at the least glad I didn't invest at the > get-go. I have an old Niles speaker selector box that can turn on speakers throughout the house from one source. The house is wired in almost every room so I do not need a multi room unit. Just one. I can't wait to get the Aries .I think they will do a really good job with this streamer . I will attach to a benchmark or nad m51,maybe my Audiolab mdac. jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
jimmypowder wrote: > I'm waiting for my Auralic Aries Streamer to arrive the end of June. > > I will give everyone a small review of this device when I get it and > have played with it for about a week. > > We will see if it's any good. > > I'm afraid of the Olive one. Company is a very poor communicator and > never lives up to its promises. > > The owner of Auralic is very communicative ,has great equipment and > doesnt mind posting details > in the Computer Audiophile forum I checked out the Aries, too, but saw the price tag and moved on. Since I need a multi-room solution, the bill would be astronomical for me. It is a cool looking unit, though. I'll be interested in your report, even if I can't afford to act on a positive review! PS: Agreed on Olive. I can't believe how uncommunicative they've been. Makes one suspicious, and at the least glad I didn't invest at the get-go. 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch...and an iPeng convert. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm waiting for my Auralic Aries Streamer to arrive the end of June. I will give everyone a small review of this device when I get it and have played with it for about a week. We will see if it's any good. jimmypowder's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=61215 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
I have now worked out how to pipe squeezelite directly to sox (not too hard, but I'm a little slow on the uptake at times), which packs it into a wav format and makes it available over http via UPnP to my players. I have also cracked the maximum bit rate issue, which was a setting needed on squeezelite to ensure it output at a specified rate and no other so sox knows what it is getting. I can run separate squeezelites for each renderer, and a local one as well. Whether I can get them to sync I don't know yet, but I'm not that fussed about that. I can also now dispose once again of pulseaudio. If anyone is interested in how this now works I'll post more here. If not, thanks for all your help, if not altogether too encouraging from some! :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
bpa wrote: > OK that clarifies things - "http" is a ambiguous in this context - > "Http" you mean an stream "published" by a upnp server and not a stream > such as one set as a favorite in vtuner. Yes, apologies if I wasn't clear. vtuner was just one avenue of approach I tried, and failed. I've tried more pulseaudio settings that you can shake a stick at, there being vast piles of confusing (to me at any rate) and conflicting information around, including things they say don't do (eg run a system version of pulseaudio), and loopback devices and so on. The system log tends to acquire messages that look bad, but apparently don't hurt at all, such as messages about DBus when running pulseaudio on a (usually) headless system. I've also had grief with the 'squeezeboxserver' permissions, and having no 'home' directory. So I've been down a lot of blind alleyways thus far, but am encouraged to now have something working that seems stable enough to listen to without hassle, and doesn't rely on external information from vtuner and the like - it's all local. With work I'll find a simpler, and thus better, solution. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > I already know that both my renderers will happily play at least > 24/96000 wav streams over UPnP, bypassing any vtuner and Internet Radio > issues. I used foobar2000 upnp to prove it. OK that clarifies things - "http" is a ambiguous in thix context - "Http" you mean an stream "published" by a upnp server and not a stream such as one set as a favorite in vtuner. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
bpa wrote: > No need to write it up - I've seen this approach documented elsewhere - > (personally I don't like pulseaudio it adds complexity to many of these > "redirect" solutions) . > > The problem with a http: stream is that - Flac (espec > 48kHz ) stream > which tecnically feasible ( ) are not "usual" and many devices which > play "http" stream can't handle Flac/Wav and/or > 48kHz (and also > possibly the stream aggregator used such as vTuner) so you'd need to > verify your devices can handle such a stream before making an effort to > change LMS to generate one. > > The only uncompressed stream I know of is a KEXP live > http://kexp.org/audio/kexp-uncomp.wmx ( a strange variation on a Windows > media stream) which streams at about 1.5mbits/sec for CD quality. Can > your devices try to play this ? (it is opens then there is a chance of > success even if it cannot play due to bandwidth). However, IIRC this > stream can be a problem if not in the US. I already know that both my renderers will happily play at least 24/96000 wav streams over UPnP, bypassing any vtuner and Internet Radio issues. I used foobar2000 upnp to prove it. I too would like to avoid pulseaudio (having previously removed it as an unnecessary evil) and I'm trying to figure out how to do so. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > So I think this is all possible and practical. If I could bypass the > interim steps and get a version of squeezelite that made the audio > stream directly available via an http port that would make the software > a lot simpler to set up, discarding the need for the puleseaudio > monitor, parec and (additional) sox steps. Having said that, given the > varying capabilities of different renderers, using sox to adjust the > stream quality to a specific renderer may provide a more flexible > solution, unless I can run multiple 'squeezelite' processes, each > outputting a specific quality stream. > > If what I have done so far is of interest, I could write it up in more > detail, including how I have configured and automated it on ubuntu. Let > me know. No need to write it up - I've seen this approach documented elsewhere - (personally I don't like pulseaudio it adds complexity to many of these "redirect" solutions) . The problem with a http: stream is that - Flac (espec > 48kHz ) stream which tecnically feasible ( ) are not "usual" and many devices which play "http" stream can't handle Flac/Wav and/or > 48kHz (and also possibly the stream aggregator used such as vTuner) so you'd need to verify your devices can handle such a stream before making an effort to change LMS to generate one. The only uncompressed stream I know of is a KEXP live http://kexp.org/audio/kexp-uncomp.wmx ( a strange variation on a Windows media stream) which streams at about 1.5mbits/sec for CD quality. Can your devices try to play this ? (it is opens then there is a chance of success even if it cannot play due to bandwidth). However, IIRC this stream can be a problem if not in the US. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
ralphy wrote:
> squeezelite supports writing the stream to stdout in little endian 16,
> 24 or 32 bits, that should allow you to remove the pulseaudio, monitor
> and parec steps.
>
> If the python script can serve raw pcm, or be modified to do so, that
> would simplify it further.
>
> >
Code:
> >
> Squeezelite v1.6.2, Copyright 2012-2014 Adrian Smith. See -t for license
terms
> Usage: squeezelite [options]
> -o Specify output device, default "default", - = output
to stdout
> -a Specify sample format (16|24|32) of output file when
using -o - to output samples to stdout (interleaved little endian only)
>
> >
Thanks very much.
I was aware of this but I couldn't figure out how to use it, my python
skills being close to zero. I was also unsure how it would work, my
linux knowledge being limited.
If squeezelite outputs an audio stream to stdout, what happens if no one
is reading that stream? I can sort of see that when writing to a
specific 'null' sink, the data just gets thrown away. Pulseaudio
provides a monitor of that stream so that it gets read before it gets
discarded. The python script I am using is below. I have to specify
the input sox parameters because it doesn't know what 'raw' is. Only
44100 works at present. I specified the output parameters as well so I
could change them easily. 44100 16 works, as does 96000 32.
I only dimly understand how this script works, but work it does! To
bypass pulseaudio and parec I need to get the stdout of squeezelite into
sox, but how?
Code:
!/usr/bin/python
import BaseHTTPServer
import SocketServer
import subprocess
PORT = 8082
# run "pactl list short |grep monitor" to see what monitors are available
# you may add a null sink for streaming, so that what is streamed is not
played back locally
# add null sink with "pactl load-module module-null-sink"
MONITOR = 'null.monitor'
MIMETYPE = 'audio/x-wav'
ENCODER = 'sox -t raw -r 44100 -b 16 -L -e signed -c 2 - -t wav -r 44100 -b
16 -L -e signed -c 2 -'
BUFFER = 65536
class Handler(BaseHTTPServer.BaseHTTPRequestHandler):
def do_HEAD(s):
print s.client_address, s.path, s.command
s.send_response(200)
s.send_header('content-type', MIMETYPE)
s.end_headers()
def do_GET(s):
s.do_HEAD()
pa = subprocess.Popen('parec -d {} | {}'.format(MONITOR, ENCODER), shell =
True, bufsize = BUFFER, stdout = subprocess.PIPE)
while True:
data = pa.stdout.read(1024)
if len(data) == 0: break
s.wfile.write(data)
print 'stream closed'
httpd = SocketServer.TCPServer(("", PORT), Handler)
print "listening on port", PORT
try:
httpd.serve_forever()
except KeyboardInterrupt:
pass
httpd.server_close()
LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC.
Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian
Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as
required. Spare Touch in loft.
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Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > If I could bypass the interim steps and get a version of squeezelite > that made the audio stream directly available via an http port that > would make the software a lot simpler to set up, discarding the need for > the puleseaudio monitor, parec and (additional) sox steps. Having said > that, given the varying capabilities of different renderers, using sox > to adjust the stream quality to a specific renderer may provide a more > flexible solution, unless I can run multiple 'squeezelite' processes, > each outputting a specific quality stream. squeezelite supports writing the stream to stdout in little endian 16, 24 or 32 bits, that should allow you to remove the pulseaudio, monitor and parec steps. If the python script can server raw pcm, or be modified to do so, that would simply it further. Code: Squeezelite v1.6.2, Copyright 2012-2014 Adrian Smith. See -t for license terms Usage: squeezelite [options] -o Specify output device, default "default", - = output to stdout -a Specify sample format (16|24|32) of output file when using -o - to output samples to stdout (interleaved little endian only) Ralphy *1*-Touch, *4*-Classics, *2*-Booms, *1*-Reverted UE Radio 'Squeezebox client builds' (https://www.mediafire.com/folder/4q8dvq20iyz9e/Builds) 'donations' (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=LL5P6365KQEXN&lc=CA&item_name=Squeezeslave¤cy_code=USD&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donate_SM%2egif%3aNonHosted) always appreciated. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
TheLastMan wrote: > I agree with every point you make. The OP seems to be ignoring the > existing solutions and suggesting somebody writes him some complex > software, free of charge of course, just so he can make use of the > otherwise useless DLNA function in his amplifiers. Nice try, but not > likely to get him what he wants. > > The extra Squeezebox device is the least hassle solution and already > easily achieved for about £50. With a WiFi enabled Raspberry Pi and > PiCorePlayer it is a matter of minutes to build a working player and the > Pi is so small that you could easily hide it behind virtually all but > the tiniest amp. It is actually smaller than a Receiver, I have two > Receivers and I barely notice those as it is! > > If you want "hi-fi" you can always solder in a PiDac - which is > supported by PiCorePlayer and produces a pretty decent sound by all > accounts. True Hi-fi needs a separate DAC, of course, but that would be > the same with his system as the DLNA DACs in his amplifiers are unlikely > to be a match for even relatively lowly standalone DACs. > > My only qualm is that every extra box is yet another power supply, plug > and set of cables. But you can't have everything... As the nearly OAP OP I demur. I am not ignoring the hardware solutions. I am looking for software solutions. My hardware abilities are not good, and I avoid wielding a soldering iron whenever possible because I make a mess of things. That's all. As far as I can tell the DLNA DAC in my Musical Fidelity M1CL1C is the same DAC as it uses for coax input, at 24/19200 uncompressed, so I don't thin k it lacks for quality. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
bpa wrote: > Closing in on a possible solution . > > What are the shortcomings ? > Perhaps now it is possible to consider a small s/w plugin/mod when the > task is manageable. As I mentioned earlier if it is appropriate, > looking at the feasibility of upnp "publishing" something like a flac > version of stream.mp3 should be considered. Very briefly I have squeezelite writing to a pulseaudio null sink. I found a very short python script on the web which then uses parec and sox to monitor this sink and write it in wav format making it available as http:192.168.m.n/8080:xyz.wav. I connect the renderer to this wav stream using minimserver (UPnP/DLNA) which has a playlist containing that http address. This might sound complex from a use point of view, but in fact it is not. Everything starts automatically when I boot the server. On the amplifier I select the minimserver playlist and leave it at that (in much the same way that you select an input from a Touch or other device). So it's no different from using a hardware interface. On the LMS web page I select the squeezelite 'player' and then select and play music I want as before. I can run another copy of the python script reading the same source, writing to a different port, and get another renderer to use that (when trying to share the same streaming port it seems to break). The sound between the 2 seems in sync to me. I can get up to CD quality but no more as yet. I haven't done sound stability tests because I'm trying to get better quality to play, so far without success. I think it is an issue with pulseaudio's 'monitor' feature. So I think this is all possible and practical. If I could bypass the interim steps and get a version of squeezelite that made the audio stream directly available via an http port that would make the software a lot simpler to set up, discarding the need for the puleseaudio monitor, parec and (additional) sox steps. Having said that, given the varying capabilities of different renderers, using sox to adjust the stream quality to a specific renderer may provide a more flexible solution, unless I can run multiple 'squeezelite' processes, each outputting a specific quality stream. If what I have done so far is of interest, I could write it up in more detail, including how I have configured and automated it on ubuntu. Let me know. Personally I think this is a real and potentially fairly simple solution to replacing Logitech hardware without needing any other hardware. That it's also free is a wonder of the open software movement :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
lrossouw wrote: > You kind of painted yourself into a corner here. You have complicated > requirements, particularly point 2. > > I see 3/4 options: > > 1) If you let 2 go I would suggest something like plex server on linux. > I think it has DLNA features but it doesn't have the complicated browse > menus. I have it but don't use DLNA or the music features so not sure > how well it works. You possibly need to let go 4 as well. This also > means you won't be using LMS. https://plex.tv/(that's 3 > requirements down). It has web interfaces and apps though. > > 2) Use LMS and somehow get it converted to the way you want. Hit's all > your points but not 9. I think it will be tricky to set up and > difficult to work with. > > 3) LMS has some upnp functionality. But I have no idea how it works. I > think it acts more as a client playing other sources than anything else. > Check under settings/advanced/network. It also acts as a server so you > should be able to play stuff from your amp already. But it doesn't show > up as a player AFAIK. > > 4) Set up one little box (which you have already in the form of an SB). > Get one of the boards for which images exist on this forum. Write that > image and you are set to go. Hit's all your points except 7. And most > of these are so small you can hide them anyway. I agree with every point you make. The OP seems to be ignoring the existing solutions and suggesting somebody writes him some complex software, free of charge of course, just so he can make use of the otherwise useless DLNA function in his amplifiers. Nice try, but not likely to get him what he wants. The extra Squeezebox device is the least hassle solution and already easily achieved for about £50. With a WiFi enabled Raspberry Pi and PiCorePlayer it is a matter of minutes to build a working player and the Pi is so small that you could easily hide it behind virtually all but the tiniest amp. It is actually smaller than a Receiver, I have two Receivers and I barely notice those as it is! If you want "hi-fi" you can always solder in a PiDac - which is supported by PiCorePlayer and produces a pretty decent sound by all accounts. True Hi-fi needs a separate DAC, of course, but that would be the same with his system as the DLNA DACs in his amplifiers are unlikely to be a match for even relatively lowly standalone DACs. My only qualm is that every extra box is yet another power supply, plug and set of cables. But you can't have everything... Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* Two SB Duets (Living room and kitchen) *Server:* Synology DS111 (2TB) NAS running LMS 7.7.2 *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH access point *Livingroom:* Receiver, Naim 42/110 amp, B&W CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver, Topping TP20 Mk2 Class T amp, B&W 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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lrossouw wrote: > You kind of painted yourself into a corner here. You have complicated > requirements, particularly point 2. Thanks for your response. (2) is vital. I cannot play classical music sensibly without it. It really hard for me to understand why people think this is complex. I want to play classical works consisting of one or more tracks, and sometimes randomly. Because the idiots who invented the tagging formats didn't have a clue what they were doing we have been left with a ridiculous mess rant over for now :) > > I see 3/4 options: > > 1) If you let 2 go I would suggest something like plex server on linux. > I think it has DLNA features but it doesn't have the complicated browse > menus. I have it but don't use DLNA or the music features so not sure > how well it works. You possibly need to let go 4 as well. This also > means you won't be using LMS. https://plex.tv/(that's 3 > requirements down). It has web interfaces and apps though. > plex is not that good. minimserver is much better, but has no random play of 'works'. > > 2) Use LMS and somehow get it converted to the way you want. Hit's all > your points but not 9. I think it will be tricky to set up and > difficult to work with. > I am getting there. Finding out how to do it without programming something new is not easy, but I'm currently testing a solution that is running CD quality sound to 2 different renderers and doesn't need any user interfaces (ie just boot the server) apart from the LMS web interface itself and selecting a 'stream' on the renderer when I start. > > 3) LMS has some upnp functionality. But I have no idea how it works. I > think it acts more as a client playing other sources than anything else. > Check under settings/advanced/network. It also acts as a server so you > should be able to play stuff from your amp already. But it doesn't show > up as a player AFAIK. > It's very limited. I use it for pictures to my TV, but the user interface, even with a decent upnp controller, is limited and doesn't handle classical well at all. > > 4) Set up one little box (which you have already in the form of an SB). > Get one of the boards for which images exist on this forum. Write that > image and you are set to go. Hit's all your points except 7. And most > of these are so small you can hide them anyway. The whole point of the exercise was to see if it is possible to avoid hardware (it has nothing to do with size). Looking at forum entries about the Touch, EDO, squeezelite on Raspberry Pis etc, this is not as simple as some suggest. In addition, if your DAC only has a USB input there's a choice of different kernels and several people have found it very hard to make it all work. I will report after more tests (if anyone is interested!) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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PasTim wrote: > Unfortunately it doesn't give me a good enough answer, but I am getting > closer. Closing in on a possible solution . What are the shortcomings ? Perhaps now it is possibel to consider a small s/w plugin/mod when the task is manageable. As I mentioned earlier if it is appropriate, looking at the feasibility of upnp "publishing" something like a flac version of stream.mp3 should be considered. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > A use case. Some of this is expressed in terms of the solution, for > instance I have no better way to describe an ideal controller than to > say 'just like LMS'. I don't want to throw away amplifiers or servers > that I have that do an excellent job as it is. Some of the components > are, therefore, part of my ideal system. > > I want: > > 1) To use a browser on a wireless laptop or tablet to play music in my > lounge, and sometimes in one other room. > 2) The user interface needs to be as flexible as LMS is now, which means > I can customise menus to play things like 'Works By Composer' and select > a performance by a particular Artist, or 'Random Works', or 'Random > Movements', or 'Albums by Conductor', and so on I have no need for > anything better than that which LMS provides, so I want to keep it as it > is. > 3) This user interface includes the ability to select a 'player' which > in this case would be the streaming software (i.e. just like > squeezelite, especially in its 'local player' guise). > 4) The music is in flacs, up to 24/192 quality, on a linux server. > 5) My amplifiers are connected to my wired home network. > 6) I want to select the input to the amplifier to be the music source > and stream (i.e. the streamer on the server), no more than that, and > nothing need be displayed on it for each track. It's just an input, > like a tuner, LP player (yes, I still have more than one!) or whatever. > > 7) I have no need for additional hardware boxes, indeed I have a > positive aversion to them. There is no need for them. They perform no > useful function that I can detect. > 8) I have no need for multi-room sync. > 9) The KISS principle applies (Keep It Simple, Stupid). I just want to > play music as simply and reliably as possible. Thus removing the Touch > from my current set-up should make the solution better. > > So, since both amplifiers already support streamed music over the wired > network using UpnP, I want to use something like squeezelite to stream > directly to them, rather than to an audio device on my server. You kind of painted yourself into a corner here. You have complicated requirements, particularly point 2. I see 3/4 options: 1) If you let 2 go I would suggest something like plex server on linux. I think it has DLNA features but it doesn't have the complicated browse menus. I have it but don't use DLNA or the music features so not sure how well it works. You possibly need to let go 4 as well. This also means you won't be using LMS. https://plex.tv/(that's 3 requirements down). 2) Use LMS and somehow get it converted to the way you want. Hit's all your points but not 9. I think it will be tricky to set up and difficult to work with. 3) LMS has some upnp functionality. But I have no idea how it works. I think it acts more as a client playing other sources than anything else. Check under settings/advanced/network. It also acts as a server so you should be able to play stuff from your amp already. But it doesn't show up as a player AFAIK. 4) Set up one little box (which you have already in the form of an SB). Get one of the boards for which images exist on this forum. Write that image and you are set to go. Hit's all your points except 7. And most of these are so small you can hide them anyway. Louis 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/lrossouw) lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
cparker wrote: > On LMS on the web page, click the Help in the bottom left corner and > then select Remote Streaming :) there is also a ton of other technical > data for some late night reading Yes, thanks. I found it once bpa pointed it out. Unfortunately it doesn't give me a good enough answer, but I am getting closer. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > Thanks! I learn something every day. I wonder whether is documented > anywhere. I don't recall ever reading anything about it. > > On LMS on the web page, click the Help in the bottom left corner and then select Remote Streaming :) there is also a ton of other technical data for some late night reading www.spicefly.com - ** Spicefly SugarCube ** - A hassle free acoustic journey through your music library using MusicIP. Plus the finest MusicIP installation guides, enhanced MIP Interface and SpyGlass MIP the Windows Automated MusicIP Headless Installer. cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > .. I had to go to vtuner websites to create the stream for each of > my players vTuner is just an internet radio stream aggregator like Reciva or TuneIn. As such it likely only supports MP3, WMA (lossy), and AAC. Not too long ago it didn't even support AAC. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
bpa wrote: > See WebGUI - remote streaming . The help has been there for years. > I know there would be "problems" - that's why I said a "Point for > comparison." and already acknowledge the audio part. > The issue about defining "local" streams is important as it is a > limitation of your equipment. Probably can be overcome by "publishing " > the stream under upnp. Just shows I didn't read the instructions properly:) Well, the streaming does work. I had to go to vtuner websites to create the stream for each of my players, and then I set up the streams as favourites on them. If I disconnect the internet they are a bit slow to connect when they start up, but after that they can indeed play my local stream.mp3 without needing an internet connection. vtuner appears to insist that the stream must be mp3s or 'Windows Media'. Whether (or how) that is enforced is a puzzle that I would want to look into if the 'remote streaming' facility were to be extended to cover other codecs (which I'd want if I was to pursue this method). Apart from the codec, the other issue is one you mentioned about buffering. There does indeed seem to be quite a lag between control and the music being played. Whether that could be improved I don't know. In the mean time I have also been experimenting with rygel. I managed to get squeezelite to talk to a pulseaudio 'upnp' audio device, in turn read by rygel and streamed by plugin 'GstLaunch' to one of my players. For some reason I can't get the other to work yet, but I have hopes. I'm struggling a bit with defining the codec I want to use, but have made some progress using existing software. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > Thanks! I learn something every day. I wonder whether is documented > anywhere. I don't recall ever reading anything about it. See WebGUI - remote streaming . The help has been there for years. > > Three problems : > > 1) I'd want it in better quality, like wav or pcm based on the quality > of my flacs (I am not sure that flac can be streamed, can it?) > 2) Some devices, including both of mine, don't support direct entry of a > station. It may be possible to add it to 'vtuner' or whatever the > system supports - I shall investigate. > 3) If I can get (2) to work, it may mean that I need to be connected to > the Internet at all times. In the modern world many take this for > granted, but I have lost outside connections on a couple of occasions > for several days thanks to telco problems, so I wouldn't want to rely on > that. However, it may be that by adding such a local station to my > 'favourites' I could avoid this problem, but I'll have to try it and > see. I know there would be "problems" - that's why I said a "Point for comparison." and already acknowledge the audio part. The issue about defining "local" streams is important as it is a limitation of your equipment. Probably can be overcome by "publishing " the stream under upnp. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
bpa wrote: > IIRC The stream.mp3 feature is an LMS feature that has been around since > at least 6.0 > > You need to have lame installed as all audio is converted into MP3. > > LMS has a "player" which appears as http MP3 stream and has same URL as > LMS webUI but extension stream.mp3 (e.g. > http://localhost:9000/stream.mp3). Start a real player (e.g. tell your > amp that it is a radio station and use the LMS host IP address instead > of localhost) playing this stream and it will play silence and then a > new player will appear in the drop down menu (you may need to refresh). > Then select whatever audio you want and play it on this new player - > audio will be converted and then routed to the http stream which should > be played on your amp/whatever. The problem is usually the real audio > amp has a buffer and it buffers up the stream and so there is a delay > between choice and hearing the audio. Thanks! I learn something every day. I wonder whether is documented anywhere. I don't recall ever reading anything about it. Three problems : 1) I'd want it in better quality, like wav or pcm based on the quality of my flacs (I am not sure that flac can be streamed, can it?) 2) Some devices, including both of mine, don't support direct entry of a station. It may be possible to add it to 'vtuner' or whatever the system supports - I shall investigate. 3) If I can get (2) to work, it may mean that I need to be connected to the Internet at all times. In the modern world many take this for granted, but I have lost outside connections on a couple of occasions for several days thanks to telco problems, so I wouldn't want to rely on that. However, it may be that by adding such a local station to my 'favourites' I could avoid this problem, but I'll have to try it and see. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > I don't know, because I am unsure as to which stream you refer (I know > very little indeed about what goes on under the lid), unless you are > referring to the existing UPnP plugin. If the latter, it can't be > controlled in the same manner, or nearly as flexibly, as the normal LMS > audio. IIRC The stream.mp3 feature is an LMS feature that has been around since at least 6.0 You need to have lame installed as all audio is converted into MP3. LMS has a "player" which appears as http MP3 stream and has same URL as LMS webUI but extension stream.mp3 (e.g. http://localhost:9000/stream.mp3). Start a real player (e.g. tell your amp that it is a radio station and use the LMS host IP address instead of localhost) playing this stream and it will play silence and then a new player will appear in the drop down menu (you may need to refresh). Then select whatever audio you want and play it on this new player - audio will be converted and then routed to the http stream which should be played on your amp/whatever. The problem is usually the real audio amp has a buffer and it buffers up the stream and so there is a delay between choice and hearing the audio. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
bpa wrote: > As another point for comparison, how would your ideal solution differ > (aside from using mp3) from making your amplifier play the current LMS > stream.mp3 stream. I don't know, because I am unsure as to which stream you refer (I know very little indeed about what goes on under the lid), unless you are referring to the existing UPnP plugin. If the latter, it can't be controlled in the same manner, or nearly as flexibly, as the normal LMS audio. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > I want to use something like squeezelite to stream directly to them, > rather than to an audio device on my server. As another point for comparison, how would your ideal solution differ (aside from using mp3) from making your amplifier play the current LMS stream.mp3 stream. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
bpa wrote: > I cannot get my head around what compromise you might find acceptable. > > > Can you write out your ideal "use case". This would be an ideal case - > what would your dream system look and feel like (not a static > "component" description) if somebody created a solution. > > For example, can you write the steps you would do to select and play a > track on your controller ? > What steps you would need to do on your amp/player to know it is s > connected to the LMS UPNP entity ? > What steps are needed to get the amp/player play music from LMS (and not > the controller but on the amp/player interface) ? > Does the amp /player have to display anythin ? A use case. Some of this is expressed in terms of the solution, for instance I have no better way to describe an ideal controller than to say 'just like LMS'. I don't want to throw away amplifiers or servers that I have that do an excellent job as it is. Some of the components are, therefore, part of my ideal system. I want: 1) To use a browser on a wireless laptop or tablet to play music in my lounge, and sometimes in one other room. 2) The user interface needs to be as flexible as LMS is now, which means I can customise menus to play things like 'Works By Composer' and select a performance by a particular Artist, or 'Random Works', or 'Random Movements', or 'Albums by Conductor', and so on I have no need for anything better than that which LMS provides, so I want to keep it as it is. 3) This user interface includes the ability to select a 'player' which in this case would be the streaming software (i.e. just like squeezelite, especially in its 'local player' guise). 4) The music is in flacs, up to 24/192 quality, on a linux server. 5) My amplifiers are connected to my wired home network. 6) I want to select the input to the amplifier to be the music source and stream (i.e. the streamer on the server), no more than that, and nothing need be displayed on it for each track. It's just an input, like a tuner, LP player (yes, I still have more than one!) or whatever. 7) I have no need for additional hardware boxes, indeed I have a positive aversion to them. There is no need for them. They perform no useful function that I can detect. 8) I have no need for multi-room sync. 9) The KISS principle applies (Keep It Simple, Stupid). I just want to play music as simply and reliably as possible. Thus removing the Touch from my current set-up should make the solution better. So, since both amplifiers already support streamed music over the wired network using UpnP, I want to use something like squeezelite to stream directly to them, rather than to an audio device on my server. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
oldfolkie wrote: > You've been using foobar2000. Isn't that Windows only? Indeed it is, but it run extremely reliably under 'wine', the WIndows emulator, on linux. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > Thanks. I have used Whitebear (for my TV) in the past, but as far as I > known it's Windows only. You've been using foobar2000. Isn't that Windows only? oldfolkie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45065 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > An extension to software we already must surely be one way to go for > people who like simplicity. Come to think of it, by running multiple > copies of a 'squeezelite-like' player I could probably get a reasonable > multi-room sync if I had to, given existing tools in LMS. I cannot get my head around what compromise you might find acceptable. Can you write out your ideal "use case". This would be an ideal case - what would your dream system look and feel like (not a static "component" description) if somebody created a solution. For example, can you write the steps you would do to select and play a track on your controller ? What steps you would need to do on your amp/player to know it is s connected to the LMS UPNP entity ? What steps are needed to get the amp/player play music from LMS (and not the controller but on the amp/player interface) ? Does the amp /player have to display anythin ? bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
get.amped wrote: > But there is almost no incentive (for Logitech specifically) to provide > any such functionality. Users of LMS who are not buying hardware does > not result in revenue for Logitech. > > Which leaves the people in the SB user community to come up with any > improvements/extensions of LMS and the SB ecosytem. The only reason any > of these other non-Logitech solutions for using LMS exist is that > individuals in this community decided the functionality was useful, > primarily in the aspect of providing functional replacements for the > defunct SB product line. I think you are going to have to have a > substantially more persuasive, let's say sales pitch instead of > argument, to convince someone to take on this project and create some > plugin that emulates a SB to LMS, meaning that you can manipulate it in > the interface and give it a playlist, and takes whatever it receives and > makes it available as a stream via http. > > It's an interesting idea but, if you really want it, you may have to > learn some programming :rolleyes: Logitrech are really out of the loop on this, so I was hoping that the likes of Triode might be interested. He has done the first part of this brilliantly, taking the stream from LMS such that it can be controlled by the usual LMS browser. He has also done the probably much harder part of getting squeezelite to output to myriad audio devices of varying qualities and specifications, and everyone loves it. I was hoping that streaming via http/UPnP would be relatively simple, but I am no doubt being naive. I am no salesman, as is no doubt apparent. Having started programming 43 years ago, but pretty well stopped around 20 years ago (when the IT world was an awful lot simpler than it is now and you could control almost all of it should you so wish), I doubt I could learn enough myself now. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Otto-Wilhelm wrote: > Perhaps this is a solution, if you want to use UPnP devices: > Description > Whitebear Media Server is a very specialised Media Server application, > that is specifically designed to interface with Logitech's Squeezebox > music server (Squeezebox Server). > Thanks. I have used Whitebear (for my TV) in the past, but as far as I known it's Windows only. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > If LMS supported people who just have network amplifiers more easily, > there might be very many more users > > ... > > Not having another box is, to my mind, an enormous advantage. It isn't > about cost, it's about totally unnecessary complexity. But there is almost no incentive (for Logitech specifically) to provide any such functionality. Users of LMS who are not buying hardware does not result in revenue for Logitech. Which leaves the people in the SB user community to come up with any improvements/extensions of LMS and the SB ecosytem. The only reason any of these other non-Logitech solutions for using LMS exist is that individuals in this community decided the functionality was useful, primarily in the aspect of providing functional replacements for the defunct SB product line. I think you are going to have to have a substantially more persuasive, let's say sales pitch instead of argument, to convince someone to take on this project and create some plugin that emulates a SB to LMS, meaning that you can manipulate it in the interface and give it a playlist, and takes whatever it receives and makes it available as a stream via http. It's an interesting idea but, if you really want it, you may have to learn some programming :rolleyes: Win7Pro(x64)[3.3Ghz i5, 8GB RAM, 120GB SSD system, 15TB storage], LMS 7.7.3 -> Logitech Squeezebox Classic V.3 -> Cambridge Audio DacMagic -> NAD C160 -> 2 x NAD C272 -> Quad 22L2 get.amped's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10022 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Perhaps this is a solution, if you want to use UPnP devices: Description Whitebear Media Server is a very specialised Media Server application, that is specifically designed to interface with Logitech's Squeezebox music server (Squeezebox Server). Media Server Whitebear is a UPnP (Universal Plug and Play) and DLNA (Digital Living Network Alliance) compatible Digital Media Server (DMS) that acts as a front end for Logitech's Squeezebox Server. This enables UPnP/DLNA compliant Digital Media Players (DMP) to access, browse and play tracks from your Squeezebox Server library. Media Renderer In addition Whitebear is an individual UPnP/DLNA compatible Digital Media Renderer (DMR) that acts as a front end for each Logitech Squeezebox player that it finds in your home audio network. This enables UPnP/DLNA compliant Control Points to control and play music files on the respective Squeezebox player by means of the "Play To" context menu. see http://www.whitebear.ch/mediaserver There is at least one thread here dealing with Whitebear. Perhaps Whitebear has better functionalities than the UPnP functionalities of LMS. Otto-Wilhelm --- 1 transporter with touch for controlling, 1 squeezebox 3 6 squeezebox radio 3 squeezebox controllers (+ a number of different squeezebox spares) ipeng on IPhones and IPads LMS with MusicIP under Windows Home Server 2011 on Dell PowerEdge 840 Server (Quad core Xenon X3210 @ 2.13 GHz, 8 GB RAM) ripping software: DBPowerAmp, tag editing software: Tag&Rename Otto-Wilhelm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
castalla wrote: > So it's a sort of transcoder then? It's a digital audio streamer, not unlike Internet radio. My limited understanding is that it uses an http protocol. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Roland0 wrote: > While is may be possible to extend Squeezelite to act as a DNLA server, > I think it's unlikely to happen since > - it's already possible to do this using the solution I described above > I'm trying rygel again as I write and will report. Roland0 wrote: > > - it's a very specific and limited use case > I disagree, quite strongly. The world is full of amplifiers supporting network streaming, as against a few thousand unsupported logitech devices (I have no idea how many) and a few technically savvy people with wandboards, picoplayers and the like. If LMS supported people who just have network amplifiers more easily, there might be very many more users, especially those of a less technical frame of mind. Roland0 wrote: > > - it results in a loss of functionality > Anything else apart from well-controlled multi-room sync? I can't think of anything. Roland0 wrote: > > - the only advantage I could see would be one (small, cheap (<40EUR), > and e.g. with picoplayer basically maintenance-free) box less > Not having another box is, to my mind, an enormous advantage. It isn't about cost, it's about totally unnecessary complexity. But I have said my piece on that more than once. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > My whole post was based on the proven fact that dlna does do live > streaming, that is what foobar2000 'Playback Stream Capture' does. It > presents as a media source on DLNA devices, and then just streams the > wav/lpcm. > > So I have the three parts of the solution (LMS, LMS software players, > DLNA streamers) but they I can't get the latter two to talk to eachother > - yet :) So it's a sort of transcoder then? Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > A. I need to use the full LMS. > B. A software player such as Squeezelite is perfect, except... > C. I want it to output directly over my wired network in the UPnP stream > format, rather than to an audio device - that's all. > > To be honest another piece of hardware, running another version of > linux, or android, is another device I have to maintain and worry about. > I would need to work out whether I need to look at any security issues > (there always are), update issues (there often are), read countless > forum entries about which way to connect to my amplifier (conmisdering > all sorts of topics I don't understand, like jitter), whether I need a > tweaked kernel, and so on. All for a piece of kit I don't really want. > It isn't the cost, it's the complication. Further, to connect to my > other renderer in another room, do I need a second box? > > No. An extension to software we already must surely be one way to go > for people who like simplicity. > While is may be possible to extend Squeezelite to act as a DNLA server, I think it's unlikely to happen since - it's already possible to do this using the solution I described above - it's a very specific and limited use case - it results in a loss of functionality - the only advantage I could see would be one (small, cheap (<40EUR), and e.g. with picoplayer basically maintenance-free) box less > > Come to think of it, by running multiple copies of a 'squeezelite-like' > player I could probably get a reasonable multi-room sync if I had to, > given existing tools in LMS. > Unlikely - DNLA has no provision for this, and without any intelligence in the endpoint, the server cannot adjust anything in any case due to the lack of feedback [ extGUI4LMS - an alternative web interface: 'forum' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98186-Announce-Alternative-Web-Interface-(beta)) / 'homepage' (http://code.google.com/p/extgui4lms/) ] Roland0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56808 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
castalla wrote: > Well ... you can continue wishing. Seems it's either dlna or the > squeezeserver. - dlna doesn't do live streaming, afaik. My whole post was based on the proven fact that dlna does do live streaming, that is what foobar2000 'Playback Stream Capture' does. It presents as a media source on DLNA devices, and then just streams the wav/lpcm. So I have the three parts of the solution (LMS, LMS software players, DLNA streamers) but they I can't get the latter two to talk to eachother - yet :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > I fear my initial post was too long :-) > > I really want to use the full LMS interface. The LMS DLNA facility is > very limited (In fact I do use it for viewing my photo albums on my TV, > but that's a very different kettle of fish) and is not what I want at > all. > > So: > > A. I need to use the full LMS. > B. A software player such as Squeezelite is perfect, except... > C. I want it to output directly over my wired network in the UPnP stream > format, rather than to an audio device - that's all. > > To be honest another piece of hardware, running another version of > linux, or android, is another device I have to maintain and worry about. > I would need to work out whether I need to look at any security issues > (there always are), update issues (there often are), read countless > forum entries about which way to connect to my amplifier (conmisdering > all sorts of topics I don't understand, like jitter), whether I need a > tweaked kernel, and so on. All for a piece of kit I don't really want. > It isn't the cost, it's the complication. Further, to connect to my > other renderer in another room, do I need a second box? > > No. An extension to software we already must surely be one way to go > for people who like simplicity. Come to think of it, by running multiple > copies of a 'squeezelite-like' player I could probably get a reasonable > multi-room sync if I had to, given existing tools in LMS. Well ... you can continue wishing. Seems it's either dlna or the squeezeserver. - dlna doesn't do live streaming, afaik. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
castalla wrote: > Here's a suggestion. > > Using Android - install Streambels player. Enable upnp/dnla on LMS. In > streambels you can select a dlna device to play to. Use Streambels to > select LMS as the music source. Streambels can also play to airplay > devices or choose the phone/tablet speaker and enable bluetooth for > bluetooth speakers, etc. Eats the battery! > > For the money, the Raspi is a cheap easily configured alternative. I fear my initial post was too long :-) I really want to use the full LMS interface. The LMS DLNA facility is very limited (In fact I do use it for viewing my photo albums on my TV, but that's a very different kettle of fish) and is not what I want at all. So: A. I need to use the full LMS. B. A software player such as Squeezelite is perfect, except... C. I want it to output directly over my wired network in the UPnP stream format, rather than to an audio device - that's all. To be honest another piece of hardware, running another version of linux, or android, is another device I have to maintain and worry about. I would need to work out whether I need to look at any security issues (there always are), update issues (there often are), read countless forum entries about which way to connect to my amplifier (conmisdering all sorts of topics I don't understand, like jitter), whether I need a tweaked kernel, and so on. All for a piece of kit I don't really want. It isn't the cost, it's the complication. Further, to connect to my other renderer in another room, do I need a second box? No. An extension to software we already must surely be one way to go for people who like simplicity. Come to think of it, by running multiple copies of a 'squeezelite-like' player I could probably get a reasonable multi-room sync if I had to, given existing tools in LMS. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > But I don't want another box :-( Here's a suggestion. Using Android - install Streambels player. Enable upnp/dnla on LMS. In streambels you can select a dlna device to play to. Use Streambels to select LMS as the music source. Streambels can also play to airplay devices or choose the phone/tablet speaker and enable bluetooth for bluetooth speakers, etc. Eats the battery! For the money, the Raspi is a cheap easily configured alternative. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
castalla wrote: > You can achieve the same with pretty much any low-cost arm device, eg. > Raspberry Pi, Odroid U3 - both of which have Truehl's squeezeplug > installer available. But I don't want another box :-( LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
lrossouw wrote: > Using UPnP like you suggest you lose a lot of features. Including sync, > etc. Lot of upnp players are also fairly difficult with different > formats etc. > I don't need sync, since I tend to sit down and listen to music rather than wander from room to room. In my fairly small house I can wind up the volume if I have to!. I can't think of any other feature I'd lose, but I'd be happy to be disabused of this notion if someone knows better. My understanding is that all UPnP players accept a stream in lpcm/wav format, which is all I need. Certainly both of mine do with no problems at all. The benefit of the foobar2000 'Playback Stream Capture' facility is that it can avoid almost all the format issues by streaming pcm/wav. That way I don't need an extra box, yet another operating system, cabling options and so on, which is just what I want to avoid. All that extra kit is more to go wrong, and more to get in the way of what ought, superficially at least, to be the most direct, simple, and therefore reliable, solution. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
lrossouw wrote: > Using UPnP like you suggest you lose a lot of features. Including sync, > etc. Lot of upnp players are also fairly difficult with different > formats etc. > > I would suggest the best solutions is probably getting a WandBoard and > install the Community Squeese OS on it (if you can download it). Or > install some form of linux and squeezelite on it. That way you get > something as close as possible to a touch less a screen. If you have a > TV nearby you could probably add a now playing screen / browser / etc. > > > You can then pass digital to the DAC of your choice from the wandboard. > > > I have not tried this myself. I am actually waiting for a wandboard > package to be delivered. I chose it for other things but as it seemed > that lots of people are using it to replace squeezeboxes I thought that > it would be good device for this reason also once my SBs die. You can achieve the same with pretty much any low-cost arm device, eg. Raspberry Pi, Odroid U3 - both of which have Truehl's squeezeplug installer available. Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers Logitech Radio Logitech UE Smart Radio Raspberry Pi + Squeezeplug LMS + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker Cubieboard + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Soundwave SW100 bluetooth speaker O2 Joggler + SqpOS + Aune X2 T-amp + Mordaunt Short ms-3.40 speakers IBOX + Debian 7 + LMS 7.8.1 + Squeezelite - Logitech Mini Boombox speaker castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
