Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
paul.raulerson;669426 Wrote: > Um- quite a lot o money actually. > > I'm not quite sure you, or Logitech, realize how damn good a product > they put out with the Touch. And how far ahead of the pack they are > with the iPhone/iPad (and I guess Android) interface. > ... > It has the potential to be a "giant killer." > -Paul Oh yes I do, otherwise I would have done what unsatisfied customers usually do. Switch to another product, and never write a single message on this forum (usual fanboys would so consider there is no problem, and be happy) The worst thing is that I am quite sure there are very few, and very easy, things to be done so that the software is fine for most people, and allow most of them to get rid of scanning problems. -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
I have been using SB for many years & now have a Touch - it is actually a really superb system in all respects, apart from - possibly - that the server software requires to be understood a little bit. Since most people I know don't even understand tagging, or if they do, can't be bothered with it, they simply would not/cannot get on with SB at all. They normally download from iTunes - then they don't have to know or do anything much to get it working on their iPod & that is all most people want, frankly, plus a bit of streaming internet radio if they have the money to get someone else to set up their systems. I think exploiting the niche is a really great idea - aim at the people who have downloaded MP3Tag or simlar - aim for the people that do their own ripping. That is the base of the market for what is, quite simply, the best bit of kit on the market. Sonos doesn't cut it at all! (IMHO) -- sherington sherington's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
Back on topic, the stock situation has been good in Sweden . this piont to another weak spot in logtechs distrubution model, the only diff between markets is which slide on powerplate to stuff in the box and in Eu you get both , the normal one and the weird british one ;) So different local logitechs does not help each other . to keep them relatively cheap the be manufactured in large quantities in china , if the Eu countries pooled together they could order new stock more often and split the batches. and share with each others if one country is low on them . So while UK buyers have not been able to shop a Radio , there have been a bunch of them collecting dust here in Sweden how smart is that ? I would not be surprised if logitech in some far away corner of the world have a pile of SB3's collecting dust. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
Mnyb;669285 Wrote: > Why are you using a squeezebox :) I'm using it rigth now cuing up some > music on my radio with my iPad extremely user friendly , have you > nothing positive to say about your squeezebox ? Every single one of > your posts is about how it not fits exactly your narrow user case and > how user unfriendly it is ? A squeezebox is not hard to use, can be > improved on yes but it basically works, it migth be bad fit for you, > you simply bougth the wrong product ? > > Next I'm over to my Volvo dealer and complain about how not BMW my car > is and what they should do to make it more BMW they be thrilled. As a driver of Volvo, I have to say NOOO!! Volvo does not need to be BMW like! :-) -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch, SqueezeCommander on Xoom. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.5, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 37,509 songs, 2,934 albums, 515 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
nicolas75;669278 Wrote: > I don't think it is a market for a company like Logitech, and I don't > think your figures are realistic. > They lost $100M in this revue thing ... > How much can they make with your market of hifi nerds ? > You know, developing software for nerds is not that hard. > They hardly care for user friendly behavior. > The more tricky it is, the more they love it. > Will they pay ? well, you will see ... > Start this business and make money ! > Don't wait for Logitech to enter this market before you do :) Um- quite a lot o money actually. I'm not quite sure you, or Logitech, realize how damn good a product they put out with the Touch. And how far ahead of the pack they are with the iPhone/iPad (and I guess Android) interface. It is a shame they are not continuing with the Transporter - I would snap up a couple of them in an instant, just because they sound better than the already very good sounding Touch. So much so I am about to abandon my beloved Wavelength Proton DAC and buy a couple new DACs that has S/PDIF inputs on em, just to support a pair of Touch machines. Logitech could *easily* take a huge share of the high end market. Think not? The Touch, when hooked up to good DAC, sounds as good as a $2500 Bryston. And is far far more usable with it;s interface, remote control, and especially with LMS. Even more so when running on top of something like Vortebox. It has the potential to be a "giant killer." I damn well wish they would ask me to come work for them and drive this stuff out into the Audiophile market. I would do so even if it involved a pay cut. :) -Paul -- paul.raulerson paul.raulerson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=50346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
toby10;669305 Wrote: > Tell her "it has a battery so we can use it in case of an emergency for > news and updates, like if we lose power for a few days". > Of course, the fact that your modem & router won't work anyways > let's hope she doesn't pick up on that aspect. ;) Battery and reemote only at extra cost. -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purrfekt! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
I bought one in PC World two days ago. Available in store only and stock appears to be patchy but the price is good £119.99. Two weeks ago it was £99, but I was nowhere near a store with stock :-( -- Hobgoblin 2 Receivers 1 Controller 1 Radio Squeezebox Server 7.6.1 - r32942: Acer Revo R3600 running Ubuntu Server Edition 11.4 Hobgoblin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36018 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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TheLastMan;669297 Wrote: > .. > Now I just have to get the Radio past the "household expenditure > committee". Let's hope she is in a good mood this weekend. Tell her "it has a battery so we can use it in case of an emergency for news and updates, like if we lose power for a few days". Of course, the fact that your modem & router won't work anyways let's hope she doesn't pick up on that aspect. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Mnyb;669285 Wrote: > Why are you using a squeezebox :) I'm using it rigth now cuing up some > music on my radio with my iPad extremely user friendly , have you > nothing positive to say about your squeezebox ? Every single one of > your posts is about how it not fits exactly your narrow user case and > how user unfriendly it is ? A squeezebox is not hard to use, can be > improved on yes but it basically works, it migth be bad fit for you, > you simply bougth the wrong product ? > > Next I'm over to my Volvo dealer and complain about how not BMW my car > is and what they should do to make it more BMW they be thrilled. I use it because there are very good points, excellent hardware, and because since I am experienced in computers and software, I can take advantage of it. A helpul forum is not a forum of product fans, telling the product is fantastic, and that everybody should think so. A helpful forum is a forum where experienced people say "this thing is great for me, but it lacks those basic and core features, so that normal people can use it". When someone complains about the product, it is useful and he helps. When a tech guy says this product is great, but those points must be corrected and are mandatory for non techies normal use, it is useful and he helps When some fanboy claims it is fantastic, deny obvious problems, says people who complain should go elsewhere, or say that the problem is the user, it is not useful, and he actually kills the product ... -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
chill;669195 Wrote: > For the OP - as of this morning, Amazon has the Radio back in stock, and > for a decent price too. £119.99. Phew! Thanks for that. Looks like I may have been wrong in my fears then. Now I just have to get the Radio past the "household expenditure committee". Let's hope she is in a good mood this weekend. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ NAS (with firmware 2.3-1157) running Squeezebox Server 7.5.1 on Synology Package Manager *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, B&W CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, B&W 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
nicolas75;669278 Wrote: > I don't think it is a market for a company like Logitech, and I don't > think your figures are realistic. > They lost $100M in this revue thing ... > How much can they make with your market of hifi nerds ? > You know, developing software for nerds is not that hard. > They hardly care for user friendly behavior. > The more tricky it is, the more they love it. > Will they pay ? well, you will see ... > Start this business and make money ! > Don't wait for Logitech to enter this market before you do :) Why are you using a squeezebox :) I'm using it rigth now cuing up some music on my radio with my iPad extremely user friendly , have you nothing positive to say about your squeezebox ? Every single one of your posts is about how it not fits exactly your narrow user case and how user unfriendly it is ? A squeezebox is not hard to use, can be improved on yes but it basically works, it migth be bad fit for you, you simply bougth the wrong product ? Next I'm over to my Volvo dealer and complain about how not BMW my car is and what they should do to make it more BMW they be thrilled. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
Mnyb;669266 Wrote: > +1 they should not aim at the massmarket, they should aim at to be > biggest in thier niche . > > a product for music nerds and hifi nuts, I'll bet there is 100 time > more music nerds that hifi nuts and shall we gues that 1/10 hifi nut > own a squeezebox or a sonos or similar, so they have not come close to > saturate thier " niche " market . > > I always believed that it is possible to expand 10 to 100 times in this > niche ? this would be profitable enough to support the product. > I think Logitech would seriusly overeach thier competence if they even > tried to aproach massmarket in this kind of product. they done it in > mice and pc speakers ,but I don't think they can with this kind of > product. > > A prerequsite 90% of the population don't have is a serius music > interest, they just want's a device that " plays something " A little > effort in ripping and tagging on some serius exploring of the apps > function for the online services should tweak any music entusiast :) > but without a real music interest you wont get involved and explore the > product, You wont be motivated to learn a little bit to get so much more > back . > > and seruisly I find some desktop software harder to use than my whole > squeezebox system ? > > dumbing it down would be a serius mistake , there a lot of products > that demands a little inital effort to use but loved by thier users . > some of my colegues are into diving or waterskiing or motorbikes . > I would find scuba gear waterskiis or offroad motorcycles hard to > operate and maintain. > I would have a learning curve if tried thier stuff I would not blame > the product. Some very good points. I want more and SB players give me more - more choice, quicker access, intro to HiFI/Hi-res etc. etc. - the mass market don't want that. I think it is probably hard for us SBE's (squeezebox enthusiasts) to get our head round why joe public wouldn't want a solution as good as ours. However with logitech you have generally a mass market company, mice, keyboards, speakers etc. who bought some niche products - SB, Harmony and also has struggled with another potentially niche product in the Revue - there is a conflict in the product make-up -- socistep socistep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
Mnyb;669266 Wrote: > +1 they should not aim at the massmarket, they should aim at to be > biggest in thier niche . > > a product for music nerds and hifi nuts, I'll bet there is 100 time > more music nerds that hifi nuts and shall we gues that 1/10 hifi nut > own a squeezebox or a sonos or similar, so they have not come close to > saturate thier " niche " market . > > I always believed that it is possible to expand 10 to 100 times in this > niche ? this would be profitable enough to support the product. > I think Logitech would seriusly overeach thier competence if they even > tried to aproach massmarket in this kind of product. they done it in > mice and pc speakers ,but I don't think they can with this kind of > product. > > A prerequsite 90% of the population don't have is a serius music > interest, they just want's a device that " plays something " A little > effort in ripping and tagging on some serius exploring of the apps > function for the online services should tweak any music entusiast :) > but without a real music interest you wont get involved and explore the > product, You wont be motivated to learn a little bit to get so much more > back . > > and seruisly I find some desktop software harder to use than my whole > squeezebox system ? > > dumbing it down would be a serius mistake , there a lot of products > that demands a little inital effort to use but loved by thier users . > some of my colegues are into diving or waterskiing or motorbikes . > I would find scuba gear waterskiis or offroad motorcycles hard to > operate and maintain. > I would have a learning curve if tried thier stuff I would not blame > the product. I don't think it is a market for a company like Logitech, and I don't think your figures are realistic. They lost $100M in this revue thing ... How much can they make with your market of hifi nerds ? You know, developing software for nerds is not that hard. They hardly care for user friendly behavior. The more tricky it is, the more they love it. Start this business and make money ! Don't wait for Logitech to enter this market before you do :) -- nicolas75 nicolas75's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15823 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
toby10;669168 Wrote: > SqueezeBox is and likely will remain a niche product. Ask your friends > how they listen to their digital music over their hi-fi, their own > library or a subscription service. > The answers will be (in no particular order): > > - I don't, just use iPod (or mp3 player, smart phone, Zune) with ear > buds > - iPod dock (standalone or connected to hi-fi) > - AVR with networking & services > - third party box (PS3, Xbox, Roku, Boxee, PopCornHour, WD, Netgear, > etc..) > - TV (or some other DLNA device) > - cable or sat TV digital music ch's > - Sat radio XM/Sirius > - AirTunes > - computer (by itself or connected to AVR) > - etc... > > We all know the negatives of the above vs using a SB player, but those > are the likely answers from 80% > of the users out there. The only SB users I am aware of are those who > have seen my SB players in use and only after I thoroughly demo & > explain what SB is do they buy. Even then it is very few who do > actually buy. In my entire social circles including family, friends, > neighbors, co-workers, I've only ever run across a total of two Sonos > users out there. and I know a lot of people. > > Dedicated NMP's like SB & Sonos are indeed very niche markets. ;) > Not to say there isn't money to be made in these narrow markets, but > the numbers are small compared to > the lesser devices out there. +1 they should not aim at the massmarket, they should aim at to be biggest in thier niche . a product for music nerds and hifi nuts, I'll bet there is 100 time more music nerds that hifi nuts and shall we gues that 1/10 hifi nut own a squeezebox or a sonos or similar, so they have not come close to saturate thier " niche " market . I always believed that it is possible to expand 10 to 100 times in this niche ? this would be profitable enough to support the product. I think Logitech would seriusly overeach thier competence if they even tried to aproach massmarket in this kind of product. they done it in mice and pc speakers ,but I don't think they can with this kind of product. A prerequsite 90% of the population don't have is a serius music interest, they just want's a device that " plays something " A little effort in ripping and tagging on some serius exploring of the apps function for the online services should tweak any music entusiast :) but without a real music interest you wont get involved and explore the product, You wont be motivated to learn a little bit to get so much more back . and seruisly I find some desktop software harder to use than my whole squeezebox system ? dumbing it down would be a serius mistake , there a lot of products that demands a little inital effort to use but loved by thier users . some of my colegues are into diving or waterskiing or motorbikes . I would find scuba gear waterskiis or offroad motorcycles hard to operate and maintain. I would have a learning curve if tried thier stuff I would not blame the product. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
amcluesent;668624 Wrote: > I can't think of a single instance when the Logitech bean-counters have > done the right thing for the Squeezebox community I've owned a Squeezebox Radio for a few months and I'm puzzled when I see negative comments like this one. No product is perfect, but this is one of the best gadgets I own. In my opinion the user interface is well designed and easy to navigate, it has excellent sound for a small box, and Logitech support has been responsive. My kids love it, and since I bought the battery pack they carry it all over the house and yard. There have been at least three updates to the software since I bought the product, which I have to admit are sometimes flawed, but clearly they are supporting the product and attempting to improve it. There seem to be a lot of excellent 3rd party plugins and apps, so Logitech must also provide a reasonable environment for outside developers. Overall I really don't understand the complaints about Logitech, but of course, I have no knowledge of the good old days before they took the product line over. -- zeke zeke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ominous lack of stock in UK
toby10;669168 Wrote: > Dedicated NMP's like SB & Sonos are indeed very niche markets. ;) > Not to say there isn't money to be made in these narrow markets, but > the numbers are small compared to the lesser devices out there. +1, spot on. The mass market has been iPod docks, and is shifting to Airplay devices. Which makes me wonder if the iThing branch of Logitech's audio department has also missed the boat with their recent announcement of wireless players based on Bluetooth -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;669168 Wrote: > SqueezeBox is and likely will remain a niche product. Ask your friends > how they listen to their digital music over their hi-fi, their own > library or a subscription service. > The answers will be (in no particular order): > > - I don't, just use iPod (or mp3 player, smart phone, Zune) with ear > buds > - iPod dock (standalone or connected to hi-fi) > - AVR with networking & services > - third party box (PS3, Xbox, Roku, Boxee, PopCornHour, WD, Netgear, > etc..) > - TV (or some other DLNA device) > - cable or sat TV digital music ch's > - Sat radio XM/Sirius > - AirTunes > - computer (by itself or connected to AVR) > - etc... > > We all know the negatives of the above vs using a SB player, but those > are the likely answers from 80% of the users out there. The only SB > users I am aware of are those who have seen my SB players in use and > only after I thoroughly demo & explain what SB is do they buy. Even > then it is very few who do actually buy. In my entire social circles > including family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, I've only ever run > across a total of two Sonos users out there. and I know a lot of > people. > > Dedicated NMP's like SB & Sonos are indeed very niche markets. ;) > Not to say there isn't money to be made in these narrow markets, but > the numbers are small compared to the lesser devices out there. For my friends the list is even less then that, pretty much all of them are - ipod on its own - ipod in dock - laptop for itunes/spotify/you tube etc. - Through TV A friend at work is really bought into SB's after I lent him my Boom (he has since bought his own and a server with a Touch planned) and I know another friends Dad has a Squeezebox Radio, I know another guy from work who bought a Sonos system a few years back, not sure if he still uses it though -- socistep socistep's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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TheLastMan;668463 Wrote: > Amazon is not selling any direct and only have 3 available from a third > party seller. For the OP - as of this morning, Amazon has the Radio back in stock, and for a decent price too. £119.99. -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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toby10;669168 Wrote: > SqueezeBox is and likely will remain a niche product. [snip] You are spot on. I think the big problem for the Squeezebox lineup is the requirement to have a "server" and have the players connect to it via a network. I have said many times that I think Logitech have missed a major trick by not having a branded server that they could sell with the players. I know two people who heard and played with my Squeezebox setup and then went out and bought Sonos and had it professionally installed! In both cases they did not bother with their own music collection but just use it to access Napster and now Spotify - so no server was needed. In both cases they have extensive collections of music on their iPods, and PCs that they are ignoring. I had a friend who bought a Duet but just did not get on with it and sold it later, mainly because I was not prepared to give him 24/7 on site and phone support for it. I don't think most people on this forum have the faintest idea how *totally* ignorant 99% of the population is of this kind of technology. What is more they are even less interested to find out! Heck, most even get their 6 year old kids to work the DVD player for them! Last weekend I was away at my parent's house so my wife had a few girl friends round for an evening drink. Boringly the Controller decided it was time to disconnect from the wi-fi and she was unable to access her playlist. She was about to give up but my 10 year old daughter rang me up and said if I could fix it. So I logged into the SBS web interface from my parents house and started the playlist. Her friends were astonished when the music came on that I was able to achieve such an incredible feat. When I got back I told my wife that I had installed a Controller app on her Android phone that she could use if the Controller disconnected again. The look on her face was a mixture of total disdain and incredulity that I would even suggest such a thing. As far as she is concerned if something does not work first time it is "broken". There is no point in trying to fix it unless, of course, I am around to do it for her! -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ NAS (with firmware 2.3-1157) running Squeezebox Server 7.5.1 on Synology Package Manager *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, B&W CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, B&W 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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SqueezeBox is and likely will remain a niche product. Ask your friends how they listen to their digital music over their hi-fi, their own library or a subscription service. The answers will be (in no particular order): - I don't, just use iPod (or mp3 player, smart phone, Zune) with ear buds - iPod dock (standalone or connected to hi-fi) - AVR with networking & services - third party box (PS3, Xbox, Roku, Boxee, PopCornHour, WD, Netgear, etc..) - TV (or some other DLNA device) - Sat radio - AirTunes - computer (by itself or connected to AVR) - etc... We all know the negatives of the above vs using a SB player, but those are the likely answers from 80% of the users out there. The only SB users I am aware of are those who have seen my SB players in use and only after I thoroughly demo & explain what SB is do they buy. Even then it is very few who do actually buy. In my entire social circles including family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, I've only ever run across a total of two Sonos users out there. and I know a lot of people. Dedicated NMP's like SB & Sonos are indeed very niche markets. ;) Not to say there isn't money to be made in these narrow markets, but the numbers are small compared to the lesser devices out there. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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TheLastMan;668691 Wrote: > +1 > It is encouraging that I see many fewer posts on the Touch forum from > people with the wi-fi problems that always seemed to plague the Duet. > That reduces the advantage that Sonos has in that area. I noticed that as well. There are also a lot less posts in the beginners forum these days as well. I'm not sure if that's encouraging though. Using my own experience when I was a "beginner", I didn't suffer any problems as such, but I still turned to these forums for general advice on various matters. I'd be surprised if there are thousands of new Touch owners out there who have had such a great initial experience that they have no need for any advice -- gruntwolla Debian sheeva plug running sbs 7.5.4 SB3 + my hifi Duet + AE5's 2 Booms 1 Radio Squeezecommander on htc desire ipeng on wifes iphone gruntwolla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Google computer hardware shortage Asia floods.. its probably closer to the truth.. hopefully :) -- cparker www.spicefly.com - Spicefly SugarCube - Taking Squeezebox and MusicIP to the next level. A hassle free non-stop journey through your music library using MusicIP. Plus the finest MusicIP installation guides, enhanced MIP Interface and SpyGlass MIP the Automated MusicIP Headless Installer. cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;668651 Wrote: > I can think of several things: > 1. They saved the Squeezebox product by purchasing Slim Devices and > provided the economical strength needed to be able to develop and > release Touch and Radio. > 2. They hired a number of third party developers within the community > 3. They put the Squeezebox on the shelf on my local electronics store > 4. They have signed deals with a number of streaming services and > provided access to them through mysqueezebox.com > 5. They continued to take the costs to keep running this forum and the > related wiki > 6. They released the two Squeezebox models with best potential so far > (Touch and Radio) > I think these are very good points too - Logitech did a lot of good for the squeezebox. Not only did they put the squeezebox on the shelf in local retailers, they put it in the general marketplace where pricing wasn't fixed and bargins could be found via promotions and coupons. My fear is that the squeezebox lineup falls victim of some massive cost cutting initiative within Logitech to boost the bottom line. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch, SqueezeCommander on Xoom. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.5, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 37,509 songs, 2,934 albums, 515 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Market share ? Market share is irrelevant if you aren't making a decent profit. Measuring your success by the market share you achieve is only done by idiots. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I don't see how you could call the Squeezebox a "niche" product, when all we ever hear about nowadays is streaming music, music from the "cloud," downloading bits rather than purchasing CDs or (heaven forbid) LPs. I would characterize the SB products as right in line with mainstream commercial trends in music and computers. It would be foolish for Logitech to abandon the market share it has rather than try to enlarge it with new products and BETTER software! -- sc53 sc53's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8690 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;668651 Wrote: > I can think of several things: > 1. They saved the Squeezebox product by purchasing Slim Devices and > provided the economical strength needed to be able to develop and > release Touch and Radio. > 2. They hired a number of third party developers within the community > 3. They put the Squeezebox on the shelf on my local electronics store > 4. They have signed deals with a number of streaming services and > provided access to them through mysqueezebox.com > 5. They continued to take the costs to keep running this forum and the > related wiki > 6. They released the two Squeezebox models with best potential so far > (Touch and Radio) > [snip]+1 Excellent reply. I would probably not have heard of Squeezebox if it were not for Logitech. Still, I worry because it is such a niche product and it takes a brave company to carry on investing in this kind of technology in the long term. I sometimes wish that the Squeezebox line had the design integrity of the Sonos kit which looks much more like a "system" than Squeezebox. I think the SB Touch has stolen a march on the Sonos lineup but they need to build on that with an amplified touch-screen player and a touch-screen Radio (and Boom?) all designed around the same interface and with a similar "style". It is encouraging that I see many fewer posts on the Touch forum from people with the wi-fi problems that always seemed to plague the Duet. That reduces the advantage that Sonos has in that area. -- TheLastMan Matt http://www.last.fm/user/MJL-UK *SqueezeBoxes:* SB Duet (Controller + two receivers) *Server:* Synology DS107+ NAS (with firmware 2.3-1157) running Squeezebox Server 7.5.1 on Synology Package Manager *Network:* Netgear DG834GT ADSL modem/router, 2 x Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 as access points *Livingroom:* Receiver into Naim 42/110 amp, B&W CM2 speakers *Kitchen:* Receiver into Denon DM37 mini-system, B&W 686 speakers *Study:* Linn LP12, Naim 72/Hi-cap/Headline. TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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amcluesent;668624 Wrote:
> I can't think of a single instance when the Logitech bean-counters have
> done the right thing for the Squeezebox community
>
I can think of several things:
1. They saved the Squeezebox product by purchasing Slim Devices and
provided the economical strength needed to be able to develop and
release Touch and Radio.
2. They hired a number of third party developers within the community
3. They put the Squeezebox on the shelf on my local electronics store
4. They have signed deals with a number of streaming services and
provided access to them through mysqueezebox.com
5. They continued to take the costs to keep running this forum and the
related wiki
6. They released the two Squeezebox models with best potential so far
(Touch and Radio)
I could of course also make a list of what they have done wrong and
that list would probably have been longer, but saying that they haven't
done anything right isn't fair to them.
Of course, they did some of the above things thanks to the employees
originating from the community or Slim Devices and also thanks to
Sean/Dean who managed the Logitech unit responsible for Squeezeboxes
during the first 1-2 years after the purchase, most of them no longer
working for Logitech, but still, it was done while the Squeezebox
products were owned by Logitech.
It's easy to assume the world would have been a lot better if Logitech
never acquired Slim Devices, but it's important to realize that we
really don't know what would have happened if they didn't, Squeezeboxes
might not have been possible to buy at all today if it weren't for
Logitech. I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons why Slim Devices was
sold was because they couldn't produce enough profits without being
able to reach the masses and to accomplish this I could think of a lot
worse choices than Logitech, at least from a community perspective.
Another important reason was probably that they needed the economical
strength to be able to invest in product development to keep up with
the competition, this worked great within Logitech during the first
years, not so great during the last 2-3 years.
--
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I can't think of a single instance when the Logitech bean-counters have done the right thing for the Squeezebox community -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;668539 Wrote: > > Threads like this always make me wonder if I should go and get a few > extra Squeezeboxes so I have some spare parts if Logitech actually > would decide to stop manufacture this excellent hardware. that's why I have two TOUCH units still in the box. I like these things so much that I want to have backups if/when one of my other units crap out. And I spend less on this sort of hardware than my CD buying habit, so it's cheap insurance! -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) > SbS 7.6.2 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop > LMS 7.7.0 > Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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TheLastMan;668463 Wrote:
>
> Any views?
>
No reason to worry in advance.
If I compare it with Apple, it's usually hard to get the latest version
of a certain Apple hardware product at least once a year, the reason is
either:
1. They are about to release a new hardware version.
or
2. They are selling more than expected and haven't been able to
manufacture enough units yet.
Let's stop predicting the death of the Squeezebox.
Sure, you might be correct, but as already mentioned this has
historically happened before several times and so far it hasn't meant
that the Squeezebox is about to die.
Threads like this always make me wonder if I should go and get a few
extra Squeezeboxes so I have some spare parts if Logitech actually
would decide to stop manufacture this excellent hardware.
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TheLastMan;668463 Wrote: > > Any views? probably means nothing. this topic comes up about once or twice a year from the beginning of the SB line. Of course, eventually, it will be true, as eventually virtually all products come to EOL. ;-) -- garym Location 1: Vortexbox Appliance 6TB (1.10) > SbS 7.6.2 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) Location 2: Win7(64) laptop > LMS 7.7.0 > Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD & SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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And online: http://www.bestbuy.co.uk/product/1000111888/logitech-squeezebox-radio-wireless-audio-system.aspx -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears - purrfekt! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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..while they're still around. I recall seeing a decent display of radios and Touch's in my one trip to the Southampton store about a month ago.. Chris -- cblock cblock's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12826 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91460 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
