[SH-Discuss] mailing lists about to go down for recreation
synhak.org is about to go offline. In the interim: synhak.net Although not setup, it is functional and will stay online for the foreseeable future, please make an account. synhak.com Our groupspaces site, mature and also will stay on for the forseeable future. Both will be accessible from the new synhak.org The announce list will be recreated this weekend (with it's usual 10 emails a year frequency) As for other lists, they too will be recreated within the week, but general discussion I hope to shift to the forums as there are pictures and it is easy to catchup on a specific topic without sifting through unrelatedes. eMail notifications can reasonably reproduce the feel. Synhak.org may be down for propogation when it does die before being pointed to a wordpress host. There are good things in the pipes. Anyone free this Sunday for a day of writing, designing, coding? There will be pizza. Make the ringing stop, Craig P.S. In before the lock! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] mailing lists about to go down for recreation
See you at 1pm :) On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Very much interested in sunday --- Original Message --- From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com Sent: July 1, 2014 2:19 AM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] mailing lists about to go down for recreation synhak.org is about to go offline. In the interim: synhak.net Although not setup, it is functional and will stay online for the foreseeable future, please make an account. synhak.com Our groupspaces site, mature and also will stay on for the forseeable future. Both will be accessible from the new synhak.org The announce list will be recreated this weekend (with it's usual 10 emails a year frequency) As for other lists, they too will be recreated within the week, but general discussion I hope to shift to the forums as there are pictures and it is easy to catchup on a specific topic without sifting through unrelatedes. eMail notifications can reasonably reproduce the feel. Synhak.org may be down for propogation when it does die before being pointed to a wordpress host. There are good things in the pipes. Anyone free this Sunday for a day of writing, designing, coding? There will be pizza. Make the ringing stop, Craig P.S. In before the lock! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] mailing lists about to go down for recreation
i'll bring some kind of food (two messages for the sole purpose of racking up the bill) On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: See you at 1pm :) On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Very much interested in sunday --- Original Message --- From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com Sent: July 1, 2014 2:19 AM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] mailing lists about to go down for recreation synhak.org is about to go offline. In the interim: synhak.net Although not setup, it is functional and will stay online for the foreseeable future, please make an account. synhak.com Our groupspaces site, mature and also will stay on for the forseeable future. Both will be accessible from the new synhak.org The announce list will be recreated this weekend (with it's usual 10 emails a year frequency) As for other lists, they too will be recreated within the week, but general discussion I hope to shift to the forums as there are pictures and it is easy to catchup on a specific topic without sifting through unrelatedes. eMail notifications can reasonably reproduce the feel. Synhak.org may be down for propogation when it does die before being pointed to a wordpress host. There are good things in the pipes. Anyone free this Sunday for a day of writing, designing, coding? There will be pizza. Make the ringing stop, Craig P.S. In before the lock! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] board meeting tonight?
Before or after the board meeting I hope to draw all who care about the website for discussion on what to do. On Jun 30, 2014 8:40 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a scheduled board meeting tonight at 7pm? If yes, what is the agenda? What issues will be discussed? Will there be pizza? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Board meeting tonight 7pm!
as an added bonus, a discussion about the website follows the meeting (short) On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Devin Wolfe de...@midnight30products.com wrote: Reminder board meeting tonight! 7pm at the space. Agenda is; Restructure board to a traditional board type setup. Adopt roberts rules of order. Approve a Synhak financial budget. D. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak in need of Hard Drives
if IDE would work for now, afaik nothing down there is too good *a-hem, too new to support at least 1 channel (could always ghost over to a better hard drive later) I have some 80g drives from an ide based raid setup (ya, i laughed too. (here is a similar card - http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/1026364866.jpg)) I can lay my hands on 3, there are more around here. On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Some of those were personal property of former members of SynHak and the others I'm not sure of. However Becca and I are working to get some desktops up and running as public workstations. --- Original Message --- From: a l leit...@gmail.com Sent: June 24, 2014 5:19 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SynHak in need of Hard Drives I have been reminded that at 21 W North we had 8 working desktop computers. Are they buried? Or are we trying to restore every computer shell in SynHak? regards, Andrew L On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 7:25 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: It might be helpful come tax season if we had either 1) a pile of donation forms there since depending on the vintage HDDs are worth $$ 2) If we just had a big sheet for people to write their name and the serial numbers of the HDDs they've donated. regards, Andrew L On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Down at the space right now, but not for much longer, and wanted to get some computers up and running for SynHak use but we have no hard drives. If you have any spare IDE/SATA laptop or desktop HDD that you are no longer using please consider donating them to the space. You can leave them on the table in the EE Lab and I'll put them to good use in the computers downstairs. Just a disclaimer that depending on the amount of drives received they may be put in units to be sold to raise funds for SynHak, so please don't donate one that you might want back in a few months. Thanks, Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] [PROPOSAL] EE Lab Test Equipment
Thank you for contacting them :) If it comes down to buying, I've been a fan of used good over new junk. An rms meter can be had for ~$50 if you don't mind it being 20 years old. Bench meters are a lot harder to forget to put back. Also, did you see this from earlier this year? https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1430 Thanks again for taking the initiative and we do have letterhead On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: These would be a great items to have. I would suggest getting a few lowercost ($15-20) meters for non precision work. BUT I cant support spending $ on anything until SynHak has approved a budget. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:44 PM, William Schaffer wschaff...@gmail.com wrote: Problem: In the EE lab, we have a lot of resources to build things, but almost nothing to test the projects with. The only useful thing is the oscilloscope. Picture this: You want to tell if there is a break in a cable, but don't have any way to hook it up. If you had a continuity meter (a feature found in most multimeters) you'd be able to tell in just a few seconds. Solution: Synhak should allocate $150.00 of funds for the purchase of a CAT III rated autoranging digital multimeter capable of measuring voltage, current, resistance, and continuity, and an inductance/capacitance meter to measure inductors and capacitance. This way, we will have adequate test equipment to make in the EE lab. I think it would be best to look on ebay first before considering other sources. I have contacted Adafruit, Mouser, Digikey, and Sparkfun asking for a donation, and am waiting for a response. Perhaps it would be helpful if I had official letterhead? I'm looking forward to hearing thoughts on this. Thanks! -- Very Respectfully, William G. Schaffer 330-752-3328 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] no sunday for me
thanks to events involving a pair pf hair ties I cannot make it in for my Sunday hours. Thank you all for your understanding, Craig ps SMF is up @ synhak.net, just waiting for dns to propogate. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead.
I am for SMF but hope someone else can help admin it (who has experience how much daily work that is). Perhaps most could be mitigated by requiring an invite from an admin with a direct email, and having no automated sign up system of any kind. I have a whm/cpanel host that can run it with a few clicks, shall I set it up? Tonight I can setup synhak.net to point to it (synhak.org is still in transfer) On Sat, Jun 14, 2014 at 7:39 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I'm all for SMF or phpbb --- Original Message --- From: alex kot ak47...@gmail.com Sent: June 14, 2014 6:41 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] Using a Internet forum as a discussion item instead. To make things easier for everyone I think we should use an internet forum for Discussion and updates instead of a mailer. We can still use a mailer, but maybe something for major updates and announcements only. I am leaning towards SMF2 simple machine forums. I am going to provide the wiki list so everyone gets to see the choices and provide input. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Sunday
Was just made aware my license and tags are expired, so I won't be there tomorrow noon-3 as scheduled. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] This week's meeting minutes.
--Meeting at 48 S Summit St on June 3rd 2014-- *Note Taker:* Craig and Steve *Moderator:* Alex *Intro:* Alex: IT Work Craig: take notes Steve: alternate note taker Justin: eats Panera bread Jim: wife saw in newspaper, jack of all trades, jack of none Andy: electronics and build ddr pads James: software dev, isp, laser and more Chris: completes electric moped Theresa: found from welding class, Learns Angelo: bicycle repair and design Phillip: today is a secretary for himself Adam: likes to party *Announcements:* Phillip: Akron art walk 5-10pm this Saturday – call for volunteers 1@6 2@8 2@9 Bring your projects P: will show it off. Justin: Cleveland b sides (Free) Sunday July 19th @ Grog shop – more than IT (impromptu security and technology meet) bsidescle.com Call for talks Devin: new keys to the space, if you still need the updated key contact Devin: Welding class this Wednesday – signup sheet up front Alex: wireless mesh hackathon this weekend, more info @ meetup% Will be building wireless mesh nodes complete with food, presenters and nice things. Build your own ISP. Bring an old wifi router if you have one. Akron art walk will be stopping by. Doors open Noon to Midnight - 1-5 mainly Andy: Trotcon in Columbus June 20th to the 22nd Justin: The board meeting from yesterday’s notes will be available soon. Looking into change of IRS documents, minor changes to bylaws. Because of the lack of financial records we will be starting clean with membersip dues. As of this month all previous membership dues are forgiven. If you have prepaid contact the treasurer for credit, otherwise dues are due at the end of the month as normal G is our new communications officerCommunications officer Mailing list being maintained by Craig, migration in progress away from AWS Torrie has been removed from synhak for 90days, more details in board minutes. A technical glitch is preventing the notes from that meeting from being released, it will be sent shortly *Membership:* no new applications *Financial:* *Proposals:* Phillip: PROPOSAL This is a formal Proposal to remodel and equip the space now known as the Bike Shop at SYN/HAK and to purchase bike-specific and general-use tools. The project requires a lot of work, lots of tools, and some equipment to actually become a functioning bicycle maintenance and repair station. The estimated cost for paint, lighting, electrical upgrades, workbenches, equipment, and tools is $1100. An in-progress list of things to buy with the allocated funds is included at the end of this message. Note that it is subject to revision. The Proposal is to be funded by SYN/HAK. (full text on the mailing list) OBJECTIVE A working Bike Shop at SYN/HAK, with the proper tools and necessary equipment, will be a valuable addition to the list of services, activities, and opportunities already available at the space. It will be an investment in the future of SYN/HAK, in that it will serve as a major point of interest and activity for both members and non-members. A Bike Shop will provide users with everything needed to perform bike maintenance, do repairs, restore old bikes, repaint bikes, and fabricate new bikes, trikes, and carriers. SYN/HAK will be able to provide users access to the tools and equipment in the Bike Shop most any day of the week, depending on the Open Hours schedule. It will be the only Bike Shop in the Akron area that is open to members and to the community at large (and free of charge) that will permit all the activities needed to do maintenance, repair, restoration, and fabrication on bikes, including welding, painting, sand-blasting, and tube-bending. In addition, the Bike Shop will be a new area of learning that will offer one-on-one instruction by volunteers and monthly classes by members or invited experts on certain weeknights and/or weekends. It will also serve as a place to accept and distribute bike donations. There are no plans to sell parts or accessories at the Bike Shop or charge for any services in the name of SYN/HAK. There are no plans to charge for access to the Bike Shop for anybody. The Bike Shop will be a year-round activity point at SYN/HAK. $1100 to develop a bike shop paid with synhak funds for the benefit of the community Justin: what do you think? Angelo: Have a bunch of tools for a bike shop that I need to get rid of. Some will go to summit cycling, but the others could find a home at SYNHAK. Justin: As far as costs go is 1100$ reasonable? Angelo: Yes I can work with that, and what is listed would cover 99.99% of repairs. An: A lot of these tools look like things we could need around here anyways. Justin: I think it is a good idea, though I have a concern about our current budget situation. Maybe table it until we are solvent. Alex: We do have grand money that we could look at, but we have to keep track of our financials and see if it is workable. Akron loves bikes
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps?
as for google maps, i went here https://plus.google.com/114656358040091705569/about?gl=UShl=en-US (to the about tab on the google+ page) and clicked not true. On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 6:21 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: Hackerspaces.org is currently updated. I removed or modified some of the comments depending on how inflammatory or useful they were. To edit you need to create an account and answer a 'prove you're human question' regards, Andrew L On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:32 PM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: Space doesn't belong to anyone. the moon doesn't belong to anyone. these are really beautiful principles in life and as soon as a country figures out a way to get control of them, it disappears. I am an optimist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJnghGBBP2Q#t=486 Sounded similar to how I felt right about now, thought I'd share. Woz is an optimist for net neutrality, I'm an optimist for Syn/Hak. There is always a way dammit. fist bump On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I tried editing the hackerspaces wiki but it won't let me save the changes. -- Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:55:39 -0400 From: de...@midnight30products.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Hackerspaces.org was changed as well On Jun 2, 2014 2:40 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: I am going to issues a statement on facebook stating that SYNHAK is not closed and that it is in fact Open with quite a few events scheduled for the upcoming weeks On Jun 2, 2014 2:36 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: The thing is Torrie is the one with access to our Google account according to everyone I know. I have been asking for access but no one else has it. -- Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:36:03 -0400 From: just...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Who ever has ownership should change this. Until that is complete... Everyone should make the info as inaccurate and say that the space is open. On Monday, June 2, 2014, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: I reported it, saying that the information is wrong. Google has to review it though, maybe something from the board could speed this along? -- Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:27:11 -0400 From: blsalc...@yahoo.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Should we release a statement saying we arent . how do we change this? On Jun 2, 2014 2:26 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I show permanently closed On Monday, June 2, 2014, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: It says closed or moved. -- Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 14:13:12 -0400 From: gsvo...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK is closed on google maps? Can others confirm if synhak on google map search is yielding the text 'permanently closed' ? I didn't think it was permanently closed - I was just there last night! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] This sunday's late time = 30 (mins)
End transmission. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Running late
Out yard saleing and about 30 mins late (lost track of time), on my way now. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] garage door design contest
Welcome, If you have given up i'de restart it as a less formal competition: if you want to be considered YOU buy a ledger sheet and show what it is you want. we'll all vote (not on a Tuesday) If you win, pay for it. For obvious reason our troll to member ratio is that of (deleted). It's a good idea, but the presentation was incorrect for the crowd you were addressing. (don't give a Tuesday meeting an opportunity to build something, the builders come other days and avoid Tuesdays like a wasp on meth. Too many people think that Tuesday meetings is what we are, they were supposta be where should we steer, and open to the public ONLY for transparency. Next Wednesday I will be sitting on the stage doing approximately nothing (*tbd) If non-members and interested parties want to check out the space tell them to come check out me making paper airplanes live for one night only. The Tuesday meeting should be something you want to be at, not an idea that this will get me closer to the synhak's in-crowd if i show up for it as I have seen since the garage. Philip: I truly hope this continues, just don't bring it up on Tuesdays. This is something for the otherside of synhak (the side torrie, omar gave up on squinting to see the dim candlelight of, and what imo is synhak) is ready and willing to contribute to. The side that doesn't make it to the minutes because nothing official will ever happen. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Philip, I don't think there was a lack of enthusiasm for the contest. A lot of members, myself included, were reluctant to commit SynHak to the contest without the details of it finalized for a review. -Steve --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: May 21, 2014 8:39 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] garage door design contest TWIMC at SH Short version = The contest has been cancelled. Long version = Because I was feeling like I did not have sufficient support and enthusiasm from the members of SYN/HAK for the garage door design contest I created, I brought up the subject at last night's weekly meeting. Since the contest requires considerable time to create the individual entries and marketing materials, plus requires an initial outlay of personal funds, I wanted to get a quick Yes or No vote from the 14 SH members present at the meeting. If a majority of members voted to continue working on the contest or abandon the contest immediately, I would have been able to end the discussion during the meeting within two minutes. A positive outcome would have prompted further discussion after the meeting or, online, through email. Unfortunately, the simple request for a quick vote turned to the usual chaos we have all seen at the weekly meetings over the past few months when new subjects and issues are presented. What should have been a two minute exercise in group democracy rapidly descended into the all-too-common middle-school playground fight, with petty bickering, silly suggestions, frivolous warnings against undesirable images, and outright stupid comments. There were a few good ideas about improving the contest, but it was hard to concentrate with all the noise. Just because the contest winner would get 1/3 of the entry fees collected is not a valid reason the make the entry fee evenly divisible by 3. As the contest originator, why should I have to appeal to the math-challenged contestant? Anybody who progressed past 6th grade should not have a problem with a decimal or fractional reminder after performing a numerical division. Several members brought up the apparently real possibility of lurking artistic trolls who are just waiting for an opportunity to mess with a contest and produce results in line with their anti-social agenda. I am still waiting for the video or still photos of the anonymous trolls. I even had to defend the use of paint and/or decals as a safe medium that would not interfere with the functionality of the garage door. I wonder about such an imagination that ponders a winning design that might require 35 coats of paint, weighing over 100 lbs. Or, maybe they thought the use of a decal would somehow prevent the door from bending at the hinges? After careful consideration and a willingness to accept a minor financial loss, I have decided to end the contest before it ever got started. The $55 collected from five people, from a total of eleven entries purchased even before the final details were worked out, will be returned to them in full. The $30 gift certificate for the contest winner that was made available by Urban Eats Cafe and Patnode Photography will be converted to cash and distributed back to the sponsors. The conversation about contest co-sponsorship with another downtown business will be terminated. From a personal standpoint, I am
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes 5-20-2014
note taker: My what do you do was meant as a joke. Thank you anyway if
the intent was sparing me the embarrassment under the assumption I wasn't
joking or half asleep or something. I'll work on my deadpan. :)
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:22 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote:
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= Agenda =
* '''Note Taker:''' Andrew L
* '''Moderator:''' Devin
== Introduction and Names ==
* Philip - Does bicycles, and various other things
* Craig - works
* Will - Needs a job
* Justin - Fixes security
* AJ9 - Speaks out of order
* Mike - Found a 200MB zipdrive
* Alex - Doesn't break security :winkyface:
* Becca - Is a Tardis
* Steve - Feels wierd not note taking
* Mila - Breaks scroll saw blades
* Matt - Does electronics
** Heard about us through an old Beacon-Journal article
* Andrew - burns hands on glass
* Devin - fixes things
* Andy - nuttin'
* Tim - Teaches, hides in the palm room
* Bill - Presidents CHANPS
** Runs Insta-tech. Heard about SynHak while he was searching for
MakerAlliance
* Tom - Cuts trees.
** Heard about us through CHANP
* Chris -
== Announcements ==
* Becca met the Canton hacker/Maker Place (CHANP)
** Run out of a computer shop
** They want some pointers
** 6pm Thursday SynHakers will trek to visit their space
* Steve inventoried computers and things in the basement
** Things will be liquidated for space and funds
* May 31-June 1 Civic Hack-a-thon 9am-5pm
** Hosted at OSC techlab
** Meetup has a link through SynHak's page
** 5k grant from the Knight foundation
*** Helps provide food and technical materials
** Aim to solve software problems for The City Of Akron
*** Some database fixes are planned for now
*** No coding experience needed
** G Also has a blog post from last year
* June 7 Hack-a-thon at SynHak 12pm - ???(12am)
** Wireless mesh stuff
*** presentations and help building things
** Net Neutrality
** Local ISP
* Akron Artwalk June 7 5pm-10pm
* G met with some Knight foundation representatives for breakfast
** Program admins for the Knight foundation
** Philip was afternoon ambassador 3:15-3:30
*** General positive impression
*** Suggestions on improvements, basically presentation and beautification
*** Clarification for Treasurer was made, funding use is very general on
purpose
** New contacts were gained
* Philip announces Garage door decoration contest for 48 S. Summit
** Should represent SynHak in some way
** Does SynHak want to sponsor
** $30 gift certificate to Urban Eats Cafe
*** 51 Market street
** $5 per entry
*** Every entrant gets a vote
** SynHak members vote
** Most votes wins
* Andy sent a list of proposals to read through on Discuss
== Membership ==
* AJ9 Previous discussion last meeting.
** Dismissed
* Philip, Becca, Devin voice positive anecdotes
* No blocks or proxy blocks present
** Approved
== Financial Report ==
* Funds in bank: To be updated.
** 4 Square deposits, waiting for them to do their thing
** issues surrounding acting treasurer and admin rights to the square
account
* ~$320 petty cash
* Still need access to previous accounting books
* At current records more than $400 than we bring in
* Interest in reducing internet/hosting costs
== Proposals ==
* Family membership
** A family is defined as those living in the same household
** first adult pays normal dues
*** $15 for additional adults
*** $5 for minors
** Becca - Concerns about funds and sustainability
** Justin - Counter of lower dues bring in more money, starving hacker
status exists
** Mike - slightly less but more money is better than none
** Devin - agrees some is better than none. Wants more concrete definition
of 'starving hacker'
** PASSED
* Membership Senior discount
** $20
** +62 Proof of age required
*** Mike - in favor
*** Dissent about the 3 month 10% discount
People want to remove the 3-month advance 10% discount across the
board
** PASSED
* Key policy in relation to minors
** old proposal brought up confusion about whether it had been
consented/voted discussed
** left alone for the time being
* Minors under the age of 18 are not permitted to visit SynHak without a
legal guardian
** Justin - that limits cub scouts from visiting
** Mike can we reword this to cover us but not limit access to cub scouts
and school groups
*** Andrew - should we talk to the Insurance Co. Likes Mikes thought
process
** Philip - Key Holder has the right to ask people to leave if they refuse
or are not legally able to sign a waiver and use tools. Age has no bearing,
the keyholder must protect SynHak's liability
** Tim - if cubscouts/school groups have some institutional representative
present to supervise this might solve concerns.
** AJ9 - do we vote/consent on this?
** General agreement that it needs fleshed out.
* Discussion of SynHak following the bylaws as
Re: [SH-Discuss] Giant yarn?
we could make a giant hat to put on the roof above the entrance :) (maybe a little fan to keep it standing up) Extreme knitting! On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote: Hey guys, look at this: https://www.etsy.com/listing/186064781/loopy-mango-big-loop-merino-wool-yarn?ref=sr_gallery_2ga_ex=etsy_findsga_ref=etsy_findsga_utm_source=adhocga_utm_medium=emailga_utm_campaign=new_at_etsy_051714_11968355882_0_0ga_redirect=1ga_filters=shawl+accessories+wrapga_search_type=allga_view_type=gallery It's GIANT YARN! I never new that existed ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Board Meeting Minutes 19 May 2014
Congratulations to all. (and again, apologies I couldn't make it, (believe me, if there was any way...)) On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Board Meeting 19 May 2014 Note Taker: Steve Radonich IV Moderator: Devin Wolfe AJ9 Xander Steve G - Board Philip Devin - champion Justin - Board Becca - Board Purpose: Elect 3 champions from the following nominations: Steve Radonich IV, Philip, Craig, Justin, G, and Becca. Steve - 5 Philip - 1 Craig - 3 Justin - 4 G - 2 Becca - 3 Tie Breaker: Becca - 3 Craig - 2 Can't reach Craig for proxy vote. He was reached before the time was up for the meeting. Devin: Everyone ok with a hand raise? All: Yes Devin: All for Becca? All: Raises their hands. New Champions: Steve Justin Becca Meeting Ends: 16:59 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Late
Running about 30-40mins late to open the space this afternoon ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] main page edit
Where did you want to add this? (i don't see an area it would make sense). CSS still broken here too, but control-F is your friend. Also, Had a talk with Laserboy today about a possible 3rd (or 4th) for synhak's website's future. On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:11 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: SR4 Thanks for the info about buggy CSS. I'll try to make the edit later in the week. Hope nobody objects to the new additions. PPP On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Philip, CSS isn't loading properly on the site again. But you don't need clearance to edit the page its a wiki anyone can. Just gotta wait for CSS to work again. -Steve --- Original Message --- From: Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com Sent: May 18, 2014 10:00 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] main page edit Rob, Thanks for the attempt to edit. I will wait patiently, under water, in the tub, holding my breath, until someone with the power to edit comes forth. Philip On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 9:55 PM, Robert Rybicki rob...@robertrybicki.com wrote: Philip I tried to make your changes as requested because I love hamburgers, but the wiki links are missing. Perhaps someone with the proper security clearances can help. Rob Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: Who do I contact or bribe* to make a change to the main page at synhak.org? I want to add bicycles, computers and photography to the existing list. They are or will be a significant part of what is offered by SH and done at SH as SH evolves into a bigger and better organization. PPP (* = one cheeseburger from either McDs or Wendy's) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: SYNHAK Drinking Game
If Torrie sent out an email that said simply dongs there would be a fierce debate over the intention of the message, and after a week there would be worse discussion over who thought she meant what. Torrie: Please depart for a little while, you're tearing us apart. Few people can read this for what it is, and that is sad. Prolly because of your recent actions. On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:35 AM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion is not productive towards collaboration and mending of wounds. Knock it off. regards, Andrew L On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote: Also will block Alex is right Torrie you are the only one that is causing arguments. On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:54 PM, alex kot ak47...@gmail.com wrote: First off, I don't condone nor do other people to drink at the space. This is because we have equipment that can easily harm people. This is why we wanted to enforce a drug policy rule. Second, the meeting prior to last week went very smooth. We had no arguing also a lot of laughs and good times. Ironically you weren't in that meeting. On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Yea I'd block that. From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 16:34:35 -0400 Subject: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: SYNHAK Drinking Game The Problem: Meetings are boring and just end up being yelling and making everyone feel bad The Solution: Every time someone says proposal, you drink. By the end, we'll still be making as much progress as before, but we'll be drunk. with hugs, Torrie ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK
afaik: The boards role is to execute the will of the members whenever additional legal legitimacy is required, and little if not nothing else. If we are talking bylaws there is no such thing as a board debate. On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:08 AM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Andrew, I know we have discussed this, and I want to make this point once again. If the board is to remove someone I, and many others, feel that a proposal passed by the membership asking for her removal should be passed. It doesn't have to be that way, but if the community as a whole, roughly, passes a proposal then the board will have more reason to look at it and see just why others want her removed. -Steve --- Original Message --- From: a l leit...@gmail.com Sent: May 15, 2014 12:56 AM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK I will again remind everyone that removal of a member of SynHak is NOT possible through proposals. Removal or suspension of a member from SynHak is clearly and explicitly spelled out under section 5.8 of the Bylaws. Given how the majority of the board of directors have outstanding personal disputes with Torrie that are now spilling over into everyday operation. I require that if punitive measures are to be taken they be conducted by a committee so authorized as allowable under section 5.8. This committee should its creation be deemed necessary needs to be comprised of people who aren't in dispute with Torrie. Keep in mind whatever actions are taken set the precedent for our conduct. I think that the CWG deserves a chance at this. http://static.synhak.org/documents/bylaws.pdf regards, Andrew L On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Steve, I will BLOCK this proposal to evict Torrie Fishcher from SH as strongly as I opposed her attempt to block Anna-Jeannine Herman from membership at the recent meeting. You may think that this may be a solution to some of the current problems at SH, but it is not the best approach to solving them. It would be a very good day for me if I opened my email inbox in the morning to find that Torrie had voluntarily withdrawn her block to membership for AJ9 and you had withdrawn your planned proposal to dispose of Torrie by any bureaucratic means available. Torrie is a valuable member of SH and brings lots of experience, knowledge, and excellent ideas for operating and building the organization. Sure, she has her faults, but who at SH is perfect? She might have some serious personal issues with one or more members/non-members, but I sincerely believe that all the issues can be worked out - if the parties involved are willing to discuss the issues and agree in advance to accept a final solution so all can move on. Torrie has not sought out my advice, but if she did, I would suggest that she go to CA as planned and enjoy the time away from Akron and SH. When she returns, she should consider taking at least a month off from all things at SH. Thirty days is not a long time and the break would benefit everybody at SH, members and non-members. With the recent change in her employment situation, I am sure she has some priority items to deal with. Her focus should be on her new business and not the ongoing squabbles at SH. After the break of 30 or more days, I would like to see Torrie return to SH as a member, involved in her own projects and sharing her technical expertise and knowledge with others. It is way past time to stop the bickering and in-fighting that has almost brought SH to the brink of dissolution and failure. We need to work together and get back to the projects and activities that brought each of us to SH in the first place. Sincerely, Philip On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Craig, No doubt, I didn't hear him say that and was just asking. If he said that he was then I would have believed him right there, but hadn't heard a thing. -Steve -- Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 20:04:14 -0400 From: mm1...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal to Remove Torrie from SYNHAK I also have doubts about a CWG's ability to resolve this particular situation, but that's too long of an email to write today. Xander mentioned he had prepaid for a year, and said he would block the proposal. This, having never had any reason to doubt what he says, means to me he is still a member. This is an example of exactly what some are worried about. You just met him two weeks ago, Why the doubt? On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Xander, I really am not meaning to be rude in asking, but are you even still a member? You showed up a couple weeks ago for the first time since I've been at SYNHAK and
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes from 5/6/2014
I was at both meetings and can say with certainty it was brought up at the meeting properly, if it was documented properly or not I don't know. He is new to us, and came to us in a time of different people doing different things each week. I can't find anything referencing him, but this is our fault (not his) On May 9, 2014 8:42 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: Regardless of how other organizations conduct their business, accurate minutes are important since not everyone can attend every meeting. For the most part our minutes are excellent and thanks go out to those who volunteer to take minutes. I was just pointing out the need for an accurate summary of why Anna-Jeannine wants to join SynHak. I will edit the minutes to include her reason as stated on her application when I get a chance to see her membership application. Regarding Wills application. I looked at the minutes for last Weeks meeting and saw no mention about him applying in the membership section or the discussion section. The membership section actually states no new applications. Discussion only reflects him asking if he needed to know his sponsors and people advising him to attend a few meetings and get to know us. Everyone through direct experience should have a vague notion that there needs to be a discussion on the mailing list about any and all proposals. I have not read every piece of mail sent through the mailing list since last week, so if someone can point out the discussion that apparently happened and announcement of Wills application that would be great. If no discussion on the mailing list has taken place his approval for membership is not valid. If one did in fact occur buried in some unrelated thread, please do not repeat this in the future. Every proposal requires its own thread for clarity and on the off chance that someone wants to block it. This is not a personal attack on Will and this in no way reflects any intent to prohibit his admittance to SynHak. We have rules on how we make proposals and admit new members. I will direct everyone to the proposals page* and meeting minutes from 2013-01-22^ for clarification. The summary is: New membership applications must be announced on the list at least 3 days in advance( ie; Saturday morning). If you are unhappy with how SynHak operates feel free to submit a proposal to address the situation. We have these rules to facilitate collaboration within our community. * https://synhak.org/wiki/Proposals/Approved ^ https://synhak.org/wiki/Meetings/2013-01-22 regards, Andrew L On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Just a point of reflection. I have been to MANY nonprofit and committee meetings and NOT ONE have had as detailed notes that SynHak has. Thank you to all the participants, moderators, and recorders. The only place I have seen better recording has been with transcriptions (stop/replay) and court recorders (those people are crazy good) Remember that none of us are paid to do this. :) Justin On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Just a few things I have to say in response to this. I skipped over a small section, I should have gone in and added it back but I forgot about it as things were going by so fast in the discussion. I also try my hardest to keep as close to verbatim notes as I can, and have had no one complain about them before. Considering the notes I took for the board meeting were praised by the manager at BFG as being more concise than their board meetings I'm pretty confident in my note taking skills. As Xander stated it was a discussion, as that really was my intent with the proposal. There was however overwhelming support for some time period of suspension of membership, though I don't think it affects much because I feel that Torrie won't be showing up much at all anymore. -Steve -- Date: Fri, 9 May 2014 00:36:12 -0400 From: leit...@gmail.com To: discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting Minutes from 5/6/2014 A few things: 1) When you copy the template copy it from the page for that date. If you must copy the meeting template from the template page be sure to remove ALL of the formatting otherwise it is not only ugly to read but I'm sure it's a pain to get onto the website. 2) When did Will submit his application? It was not announced to the discuss list. Membership is a proposal you, cannot pass a membership application or any other proposal without announcing it on the discuss list. 3) I appreciate that many people have long winded talks but please if you must paraphrase or summarize include their main talking points in the minutes. Though we try to have a relaxed atmosphere and avoid being official, taking accurate minutes not only helps us remember who said what and why but these are legal documents required to be kept as part of our incorporation.
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK Circuit Boards
andy: perhaps you should switch to one of the several angry threads, this is a light-hearted and happy one. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 4:54 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote: Don't forget, you never fixed the 3D Printers X axis, it's still inverted. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:11 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, May 01, 2014 23:26:24 Craig Bergdorf wrote: Just wanted to make sure everyone in the back knew you were still mad huh? No. I've stopped caring if people get my message. I wrote my thesis. If I'm ejected, oh well, there are still hackers in Akron. I've got plans B through F to fall back on. I keep hacking regardless. Folks have an interest in what I do. :) Anyway, looking forward to the kickstarter. Would love to see this give spiff more recognition too. There is a decent inventory scanner downstairs, I don't remember if it's a psion or winCE based one but eitherway it can be made to dump to mysql. Spiff would make actual inventory, loan, skill, and donation tracking a ridiculous amount easier after a large amount of setup. What's involved in feeding an amp or so to a solenoid from this? (spiff based B.F.Tool authentication) Something that would provide me income to continue work on this would be the best answer: http://development.graviton.divshot.io/ It is is 80% ready for a 0.1 release. Last 20% is cleanup and generating python bindings. The kickstarter would fund it. (Remember when people did cool things at synhak?) On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, May 01, 2014 22:43:09 Philip P. Patnode wrote: TF Is this the device that I will be assembling for ten bucks an hour later this summer? You do know that I work very, very slowly. JK! When can I see the finished product or at least the final prototype? Well, it was going to be for SYNHAK's front door. I'm not sure about that anymore, but keep an eye out for a kickstarter this month from Phong Robotics about a hackerspace entry system. More later. PPP On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, May 01, 2014 19:31:48 gs volt wrote: what is phrobo asking for em? in USD The boards? $5 each. The entire RFID entry system? $100 each. what can you do with em? Part of an RFID entry system. Described elsewhere in the thread. On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: After a long few months of work, these showed up today with the made at synhak branding for Phong Robotics: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmlHXXHCMAA28N2.jpg Collector's items, surely. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] C-BOG - the awakening
It seems there is no opposition to this so: 1st meeting of C-BOG, How about Monday the 12th @ 7pm? Goals: - Meet everyone who will be a part of the planning phase. - Consense what is the minimum acceptable amount of buildout to tackle. If significant conflict arises a cumulative voting system can be used. (an example with made up numbers: there are 20 items to vote for and only 10 can win, everyone gets 20 votes, you can use all 20 on 1, or 3 on one, 5 on another one, etc.) - Establish a team leader for each category (walls, plumbing, electrical, hvac) and document intended tasks. - Schedule the next meeting for each team leader to present a budget, timeline, and hours of skilled/unskilled volunteer time requested. - Post minutes to discuss. In addition to moderating, I volunteer to head electrical, (including: stove, shop 3Ø, kiln, entry lighting repair, and upstairs cat5). The basement raised floor is, for me, in the can-wait category, downstairs storage and the air compressor I believe is not, but I look forward to debate. -- Armed with a list of do-able tasks, each with dollar, time, hour estimates a final presentation at a Tuesday meeting can happen. The membership, treasurer, and c-bog can consense on what must be done, what can be done, and what could wait. Money is dispersed, and work begins. A few open come help us, we have pizza days with clear lists of tasks for volunteers to pick and choose from can be advertised. - What should be on the list of infrastructure shortcomings currently impeding hacking? (shout them out!) Machine shop has no power, ventilation, air, or lighting Stove has no power or ventilation We have insufficient storage, especially for large items The basement is a giant do-not-hack pile simply because it’s not sorted. There is no hack pile Walls What else? I hope to present a list of *everything* anyone says in this thread, email, slack, or written on the back of a camshaft position sensor for a b5 volkswagon and mailed to me (anyone listen to the cartalk radioshow?) at the first meeting for discussion. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK Circuit Boards
Congratulations! On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: TF Is this the device that I will be assembling for ten bucks an hour later this summer? You do know that I work very, very slowly. JK! When can I see the finished product or at least the final prototype? More later. PPP On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, May 01, 2014 19:31:48 gs volt wrote: what is phrobo asking for em? in USD The boards? $5 each. The entire RFID entry system? $100 each. what can you do with em? Part of an RFID entry system. Described elsewhere in the thread. On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: After a long few months of work, these showed up today with the made at synhak branding for Phong Robotics: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmlHXXHCMAA28N2.jpg Collector's items, surely. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] SYNHAK Circuit Boards
Just wanted to make sure everyone in the back knew you were still mad huh? :) Anyway, looking forward to the kickstarter. Would love to see this give spiff more recognition too. There is a decent inventory scanner downstairs, I don't remember if it's a psion or winCE based one but eitherway it can be made to dump to mysql. Spiff would make actual inventory, loan, skill, and donation tracking a ridiculous amount easier after a large amount of setup. What's involved in feeding an amp or so to a solenoid from this? (spiff based B.F.Tool authentication) On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, May 01, 2014 22:43:09 Philip P. Patnode wrote: TF Is this the device that I will be assembling for ten bucks an hour later this summer? You do know that I work very, very slowly. JK! When can I see the finished product or at least the final prototype? Well, it was going to be for SYNHAK's front door. I'm not sure about that anymore, but keep an eye out for a kickstarter this month from Phong Robotics about a hackerspace entry system. More later. PPP On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, May 01, 2014 19:31:48 gs volt wrote: what is phrobo asking for em? in USD The boards? $5 each. The entire RFID entry system? $100 each. what can you do with em? Part of an RFID entry system. Described elsewhere in the thread. On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: After a long few months of work, these showed up today with the made at synhak branding for Phong Robotics: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmlHXXHCMAA28N2.jpg Collector's items, surely. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] c-bog
I am working on a proposal for a C-BOG (community build-out group, (hyphen added for awesomeness when saying out loud)) In neo-synhak fashion I'm trying to talk with groups of people individually before making a proposal that someone would go as far as to block. As with the last one I researched (laptop-gate era), I'm willing to drop if it will start a civil war. I feel most of our drama comes from too many cooks in the kitchen; the sooner many of us can feel like they can do their own projects again without feeling selfish if they are at the space and not working on infrastructure, the better. It has breed entitlement, countless disagreements on how things must be done, and the worst: fights on who the space owes more. (hint: the answer should be nobody, ever.) The idea of the proposal is to create a separate and temporary standard forman/project-lead/helper organizational structure of volunteers working towards a build-out goal consensed by the membership, funded by a cash-on-card budget (in the area of $2-4k). The treasurer would be instrumental in this process. In my head, this is little more than walls, details, and purchasing of tools so many members who have walked away (during this struggle) have de-donated. Other than the piles of stuff being where the racks were, the place looks mostly the same since March. Thoughts? p.s. If we had a guideline that: don't say anything you wouldn't say to someone's face. I'm guessing the bulk of the last few days email would not have been sent thanks to knowledge of what responses words can have when your not looking at your target through a computer screen. We will all see each other again, we live in the same community and share the same love of something that exists at a single physical location. Why people would use such strong words over email instead of directly to their adversary's face I must not grasp. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] new mailing list for weird items for sale?
I like buying neat things(some day i'll have ALL the neat things), a friend of mine sells odd stuff on the industrial side (for 5 decades now). I cant be alone in having an eccentric used equipment broker as a friend. Any interest in the creation of a mailing list for odd craigslist ads, forwards of emails, etc, on the condition that it's not something you could find on amazon, new items, intangibles (including tickets), or any other item you could find easily. I would be happy to maintain this list to keep the pills and 'business opportunities' out (it would have the same posting requirements as discuss). It could also include requests. Any interest? If not, anyone is welcome to send me forwards of other strange thing sellers emails tey may know personally as reputable. I'de be happy with lowering the bar a bit to general classifieds of 'unique to someone' stuff, just as long as there is never anything new or gently used for just $!!! today only on there. Perhaps slack would be a fit for this for better wtb retention (I'm still looking for sparcstations, and yes, will marry for a voyager) classifieds@ anyone? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Blocking Proposal Sub-Group Meeting
Fine for me On Apr 11, 2014 2:13 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.com wrote: Monday night at 7 then? From: tdfisc...@hackerbots.net To: discuss@synhak.org Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 08:10:48 -0400 Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Blocking Proposal Sub-Group Meeting On Friday, April 11, 2014 07:40:26 Michael Griesacker wrote: I'd have a better chance of making it if it were monday night With Notacon, it kinda sounds like that might be better. I'd be available for that too. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: I was set in charge of scheduling a sub-group meeting for discussion on my blocking proposal. Was thinking this Saturday 04/12/2014, at 1300 ( 1 PM). Does that work for everyone that is interested in attending? -Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Testing out slack
Me2 On Apr 11, 2014 5:50 PM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: Send me an invite please On Apr 8, 2014 1:10 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Tuesday, April 08, 2014 12:41:32 gs volt wrote: The more I'm using synhak.slack.com, the more I think I can use it for: - Starting channels of interest that don't exist in physical form at synhak (eg: how to play chess, I didn't start it yet - maybe in like 20 years or so I can - or someone else can beat me to it :) ) - Inviting others to the discussions, without re-iterating everything that has happened in the past - the way I interpret this, is the later an interested person joins an existing conversation, the more historical notes they'd have to read to learn about current status of any particular interest at synhak. Yes, I'd like to start using it for things like the build group idea that's been thrown around as well. Its a lot easier to just glance at slack and throw a question out there instead of sending to a mailing list and then wondering if they ever read it. The history is searchable as well if someone wants to find a previous discussion. There is also an IRC bridge, and apps for android/iOS for those of us who don't want to be stuck with a web interface. - The User Experience is rock solid - I 3 it. Regards, G On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote: Send me an invite. I'll take a look at it next week, if I have time On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 2:23 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: might as well sign me up too thanks, Andrew L On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Saturday, April 05, 2014 08:22:48 alex kot wrote: Torrie is this a paid service? It can be, but we're on the free plan which has no limits on time or number of users. This link might work for non-users, I'm not sure: https://synhak.slack.com/pricing -- On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 10:43 AM EDT Torrie Fischer wrote: On Saturday, April 05, 2014 04:15:58 Andrew Buczko wrote: Hmm, I'm confused, I think I just set up another instance of synhak instead of joining Synhak's group? Probably. You need to e-mail me or Chris for an invite. Would you want an invite? On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Friday, April 04, 2014 15:37:26 a l wrote: Is there a way to automate the invite system? If we're going to use consensus to decide things everyone should use slack at least long enough to get an informed decision. Not from what I can tell. It does have an API, but Im not sure if it'll let invites and membership get handled. If it does, I'll hook it up to spiff. I don't think Alex meant for you to take that as anything more than a light hearted jab regarding your dedication to fedora. Regards, Andrew L On Apr 4, 2014 2:11 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Friday, April 04, 2014 10:56:23 alex kot wrote: I am just surprised torrie suggested slack as an option. SYNHAK has problems. They need fixed. I don't care what technology fixes SYNHAK. Can you (and others who do this stuff) please keep this stuff off discuss@and stay on topic? -- On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 1:14 PM EDT Philip P. Patnode wrote: Add my name as a member to be invited. Thanks. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Heya, folks. A few other spaces have started to experiment with using Slack as a discussion method that is limited to their membership. http://slack.com/ I've created an instance for us to try it out as a way of quietly figuring out to build a community working group, or governance hacking, planning the machine shop's features, and such. They don't have any kind of public signup if you wish to join the synhak slack, so please let me know if you are interested and I will get you an invite. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org
Re: [SH-Discuss] Dental X-Ray machine
Maybe if we had a free pile again?? I have purchased stuff that we have in the basement off ebay having given up on buying or otherwise getting it from synhak, and below it sits collecting dust (the upss, a few of the laserjets, misc). That xray machine is amazing, mark me down for backup of someone happy (drooling really) to take it off synhak's hands. Maybe it's because nobody comes to make stuff anymore. On Apr 11, 2014 7:02 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Friday, April 11, 2014 18:46:15 Omar Rassi wrote: Hugs \ o / Seriously though, please find out if there's a current need because we still have a large amount of stuff that no one is using/hacking. Also, Torrie, please refrain from using curse words on the mailing list. There are people of all ages that read this. Fair enough. My apologies. Thank you, Omar On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: We've got a big dental x-ray machine where the trash cans used to be. Sounds neat, right? I don't know where it came from, who wanted it, or, if it still has radioactive materials, or anything about NRC regulations for disposing of it if nobody wants it. Thanks I guess? Please stop dumping shit at synhak. That's for everyone including people not on the list. We are full of broken crap and things nobody is hacking on or has the intent to do so. If you want to drop something off, please please please ask discuss@or noc@ or build@ or whoever so it doesn't become an inconvenience :( With hugs, Torrie ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Membership Family Plans
(Happy to hear the argument about age having little to do with anything. I think I can get away with saying 29 when anyone asks for the foreseeable future, and before that it was 23, 16, 13, etc. I won't pretend I don't still have a bit of a complex on judgement based on age, being the awkward but tall kid dragged to mensa meetings their whole childhood that some drunkens would occasionally mistake for a peer, then came the question that still cuts to the bone how old are you?) A member is a member. Since the seven year old member is my son, I will add my opinions to the discussion. First and foremost I want to express my sad displeasure in reading this. Perhaps this being paraphrased ideas of a discussion many things are getting lost in translation. However the things I have issue with are listed as problems My seven year old lives 46 minutes driving distance from the space and does not currently drive himself places. If he was of driving age and as a parent I decided he was mature enough to go places by himself, or use shop tools, or as you put it nice things then I would let him go do those things. Perhaps sometimes I would go with him at times to check on how safe he is still being. Perhaps also I would put two gps tracking devices on his car so when he finds the first one I have redundancy. Also guaranteed I, or a close and not easily recognizable friend would tail him at times. The point I am trying to make here, is my son that is a member of syn/hak, is not autonomous yet, and when the time comes that he is, we will still parent him. The way nice things is worded I am taken back to my own childhood when my evil aunt had us over and I was confined to the kitchen, because she had a house full of collectable garbage (much like syn/hak,) and I was too much of an animal to go into the rest of the rooms in the house. If there are concerns about your members not being able to handle tool, machines, supplies, or members projects (again, I'm fuzzy on what is nice,) perhaps those concerns could be brought up to that member or the members guardian. My wife was at the meeting with our seven year old. Nothing was said. Robert W in in fact seven and is more responsible than myself at times. If you tell him a rule, good luck trying to change it after that, because it has already been programmed. He is excited to be part of this community. A community he and believe in and he absolutely belongs in. He is also excited to gain full 24/7 access to the space because of my unusual schedule. If entrusted with something and told how important it is he will follow through every time. Go shooting with him sometime and he will give you a lesson in gun safety and have better muzzle control than you do. My younger child is more haphazard as a matter of personality and he will not be going to the space for the foreseeable future because I can not trust him. I recognize this is a matter of policy and not an attack on my child. I struggle with it, but I recognize it. Perhaps it would have been more excellent to just say minor, then call out your only seven year old member. It makes us feel like he is unwanted or not trusted. Again things that should have been brought up at the meeting. He applied for membership at the suggestion of Torrie. He was vouched for by Torrie and Becca. His full membership was consented on by the members at this weeks meeting. He was not made an associate member, an honorary member, or a previsionary member. He was accepted by what appeared to be open arms. I realize syn/hak is not a daycare. Torrie expressed this concern to me the night Robert W turned in his application. I thought I made it clear then that he would never be at the space without myself or a close family member there. That said I agree that a mature person should be watching unknown or immature people. I have a problem with an age being just set at a magical number of 18. Poof your 18 now, you can handle all the nice things, go play and have fun. Here is my counter proposal if you will. If anyone has a problem with minors or in this case seven year olds don't make them members. Or perhaps since maturity is not a function of age it would be more appropriate to bring up concerns during the interview process, and then decide that some kids can or cannot be members because they and their guardians are not a good fit. If there are concerns with a member, or if the member is a minor, that minor and their guardians, then don't issue a key; keep age out of it. Age has nothing to do with anything in my opinion and it is more a matter of character. Perhaps their will come a day there is a teen or two that really need syn/hak in their life because the sports teams and the kids that play on them don't understand said teen. These decisions need to be made on a case by case basis as I was under the impression they already are. Making a policy against minors is foolish and not excellent. In closing, I am hurt. However, in a sick
Re: [SH-Discuss] Dental X-Ray machine
I'll bring the polaroid film :) On Apr 12, 2014 12:41 AM, Robert Rybicki rob...@robertrybicki.com wrote: By day I am a field engineer for a dental imaging company in California. I really look forward to hacking away at this gift. Craig I would love to work on it with you. It is not radioactive just sitting there but I hope to make it emit gamma radiation for fun projects. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 11, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe if we had a free pile again?? I have purchased stuff that we have in the basement off ebay having given up on buying or otherwise getting it from synhak, and below it sits collecting dust (the upss, a few of the laserjets, misc). That xray machine is amazing, mark me down for backup of someone happy (drooling really) to take it off synhak's hands. Maybe it's because nobody comes to make stuff anymore. On Apr 11, 2014 7:02 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Friday, April 11, 2014 18:46:15 Omar Rassi wrote: Hugs \ o / Seriously though, please find out if there's a current need because we still have a large amount of stuff that no one is using/hacking. Also, Torrie, please refrain from using curse words on the mailing list. There are people of all ages that read this. Fair enough. My apologies. Thank you, Omar On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: We've got a big dental x-ray machine where the trash cans used to be. Sounds neat, right? I don't know where it came from, who wanted it, or, if it still has radioactive materials, or anything about NRC regulations for disposing of it if nobody wants it. Thanks I guess? Please stop dumping shit at synhak. That's for everyone including people not on the list. We are full of broken crap and things nobody is hacking on or has the intent to do so. If you want to drop something off, please please please ask discuss@or noc@ or build@ or whoever so it doesn't become an inconvenience :( With hugs, Torrie ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] today @ kn Kustums
If anyone remembers the first laser printer I donated to the space, it sat in the Perkins room for a while (I printed a few things on it from one of the linux boxes), then eventually it was moved to the freehack pile when I brought in a real laserjet that jammed constantly (like a boss). Anyway, before the move I took it back, and it's been in my garage since. Today I took it out for a good'nuff laser printer for a buddy's car flip shop and found it won't work in win7 easily. It also had developed streaks from sitting for the winter, and just generally being garbage. Then this happened: http://youtu.be/5g68YntOOgg Also, F/S one gently used Ford Ranger :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Sunday open hours
Hello, I'm car shopping in PA with devin for the weekend, so will not be able to make it to the space tomorrow. Is anyone else planning on being there that early? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] One Last Time
To write on an mm - consensus by each week changing a few swing voters until the minority that truly believes just quits for the good of the hive - vs - if consensus cannot be reached within a few weeks vote and move on. (It's a big mm) You are never going to convince me to have all computers in the space be linux, or to disown a member for acting in good faith. How is squelching the minority with a vote different from doing so by wearing them down over weeks/months? I agree entirely that consensus is the better option for most issues, but what if, after a run of thefts from the space, a minimum income for membership was proposed? The only way to convince me would be if my holding out was destroying the space. This doesn't happen with voting, after all negotiations are clearly stalemated a vote happens and I loose. I take that I am in the minority, decide if I can continue to associate myself, and if so, move on (All within a month). Instead of, after months of being badgered,attacked,asked why then shot down when I try to explain, all to get me to consense against my morals world view, leaving my key taped to the top of the microwave as I am too hated to be an asset to the space anymore. On polarizing issues, such as a new member with views towards others directly incompatible, however shares the same goals as the group, and are house trained enough not to act on them: This is exactly what separates a club from something for the public. If we get 100 members I can guarantee a few of them are going to make me uncomfortable, key my car, and may sour my entire synhak experience causing me to start missing meetings, and stay away outside of my required Sundays. An issue that I haven't heard much talk about: How big do you(everybody) want synhak to be? I won't start the quality vs quantity debate as that line is different for everyone, I'll just coughf out (once again) if everyone gets along we are a club of friends, not a public resource where people with similar goals come to achieve and make. Is being everyone's friend a requirement for membership? On Apr 2, 2014 12:50 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 23:10:39 Steve Radonich IV wrote: I am aware that there is already separate thread about this, but seeing as it has been up for so long without a single word of input from anyone I had to bring it up again. I pretty much addressed Torrie's concerns but I will do it again, even though most of them are not really valid. Which concerns did you address? And which ones are invalid and why? Bylaws don't say anything about proposals. Sure they say we've got the right to vote on membership applications, but I'm no longer comfortable with that route. The questions asked interview process have the possibility of having no real impact. First, it doesn't really matter if you are no longer comfortable with voting on a membership application since the proper way of gaining or getting rejected for membership is by a vote as outlined in section 5.2 of the bylaws, and Section 5.1 Membership Qualifications states having been proposed by a current member in good standing, and having been approved by a vote of the membership. If you really don't want to vote than you need to have an amendment to the bylaws, since as far as I'm concerned voting is the only way we can confirm a member of SYNHAK, even if you don't like it. Right. Thats what the rules say. We can change the rules. Thats the point of our governance process. The mechanism in this case is to get a bylaw amendment. If we feel that this is warranted, it'll go there. Are we not currently discussing making more rules and bureaucracy because the current rules are perceived as not compatible with our desired end state? Second, the questions in the interview process have a huge impact on whether someone would be voted in or out of SYNHAK membership, I don't see how having a vote really changes that at all, kind of confused on this point. I imagine asking someone questions and finding out that they're a raging transphobe, but the majority of the people present at the meeting who fail to understand the gravity of my concerns think haha, they're funny. Even if someone was a raging transphobe how would we know? I don't think it really has any bearing on whether they're going to be a member or not as long as they can keep civil and not let their personal feelings or beliefs keep them from getting a long with, at the very least putting up with someone who might be transexual. I highly doubt anyone at SYNHAK would think that is funny and find it offensive that you would even think that. How would they know? Probably because I'm transgender and can easily pick out transphobic behaviors. Lets not talk about that though. not let their personal feelings or beliefs You really don't think this matters? People can forget all
Re: [SH-Discuss] New tool: Panel Saw
About that link: If someone handed me $600 and said make this I would most likely be delivering it in a shiny new $500 work truck :) On use of the saw: Count me as once a month Agreed if it was built well (machined mounts, steel or at least allthread construction, 0 wood used to build it, a laser pointer on the front of one of our circ saws), it would have a high wows per $ factor It sounds like fun to design, so I'm gunna over the next week. On Apr 2, 2014 3:27 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: I think a panel saw is one of those things that MAY not get used every week BUT when it is used it will make things VERY easy. IMO I would go for a used tool or kit with drop in saw option, rather than a home built unit. A panel saw is not something that is easy to have at home and therefor a perfect example of tools that fit in at a community garage. Someone entering the space could see it and say WOW. In addition a panel saw can be safer than a table saw for large pieces as it holds the material and allows the operator to focus on staying clear of the cutting area. (BTW I see a $600 60in panel saw on cleveland craigslist https://cleveland.craigslist.org/tls/4381313854.html) On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.comwrote: On 4/2/2014 2:38 PM, a l wrote: I have no idea how often it would get used. Thank you for answering my question. I'm just trying to figure out whether this is something we should be actively pursuing. If its going to take up 32 square feet of shop floor space, cost us $1K and never get used (all are hypothetical figures), then I don't see much of a reason to pursue discussion much further. But if it's going to cost that much, and be that large, but get used six times a day and bring in newbies off the street, then hell yeah, let's find us the nicest damn panel saw we can afford. If anyone else wants to provide input on how often they think something like this would get used, I'm all ears. Chris I'm barely at the space as it is. People brought up a problem and solution that was initially thought to be prohibitively expensive which got me thinking we're hackers, someone else has had to have DIY'd one of these before. I wonder how much it saves?. To me this is one of those things that makes life easier and may enable people to make projects at SynHak they might not otherwise have made. How often do we use the tools we already have? In addition to discussing purchasing options this thread is also a place for people to discuss whether they think it'd be better to buy a panel saw or expand the machine shop thereby shrinking/displacing the meeting area. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Wednesday, April 02, 2014 14:20:05 Chris Egeland wrote: I recognize that it's not a proposal, I'm just discussing a concern I have before we're a month and a half into discussion about the topic. I understand the problem that this is attempting to address. I understand pretty much everything that's been brought up in discussion about this. I just want to know how often you, Andrew, personally think it'll get used. I'm not Andrew, but I'd use it maybe once or twice every few months. I don't build workbenches every day, though I think I assembled quite a few of the ones we have now. There's a few more workbenches that I'd like to chop up too, but I'm very comfortable with and capable of using a regular circular saw instead of some big-ass piece of equipment. Not having one isn't a problem for me, and having one would only be a minor benefit to me. Chris On 4/2/2014 1:58 PM, a l wrote: This isn't a proposal yet. Just further discussion on an Item that came up at the meeting. The problem we're trying to solve is large format wood handling. When we enclose the machine shop/tool room we either have to expand its footprint, get something like a panel saw, or arrange the table saw so wood can be outfed through a window/door. This is justified by concerns for people who want to build their own, or expand SynHak's work bench population. The other concern was that once the shop is enclosed there won't be enough room to flip a 4x8' sheet of anything. I agree $1000 dollars is a lot to spend on something that won't get a lot of use. Many of the kits come with everything but the saw so we could conceivably dedicate one of our many circular saws to this purpose and save some money. Perhaps a stop-gap solution is, we build the frame for a pane saw but use guide boards rather than the expensive rails and counterweight arrangements. This requires more finesse on the operators part but if it's an infrequently used too $40 in lumber might be all we are willing to spend on it. As far as the foot print concern, many kits and commercial products have shortened or
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Monthly HackaThon
third-durr-er-ider-e-dino (with cheese) On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Seconded for discussion. On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 14:03:09 alex kot wrote: The Problem: Not enough project going on at the space. The Solution: I propose a Monthly HackaThon. Make a dedicated day, once every month. I recommend the first Friday After 5PM and can carry over to Saturday depending on the project. Projects can range from, but not limited to; Building something unique for the space. Projects that person wants to create, but wants expertise he/she does not have. A project for the community. A requirement for this project to happen, is that the idea has to be propose in the weekly meeting. Then agreed after the next meeting with at minimal 3 people to partake in it. The proposal for the weekly meeting does not have to be in person. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Webcam
To expand: the solutions that people use (including myself who recently put a cam in a welding station of a shop), are just letting less light into the camera by either aggressive iris settings or an external wideband filter (deep sunglasses) and compensate with software to be able to bounce off saturation in a small area, or buy a camera rated for this. Week 3 of a decent (c-mount) ip cam starring at 3 welding stations with no problems so far. I just locked the motorized iris at minimum during open hours and compensate with software, it's grainy, but acceptable. After closing it goes back to auto for night stalking. Uv is just far easier (higher efficiency) for ccds to pickup than the visible light spectrum, why a nikon d100 slr with the uv filter carefully pryed off the sensor makes for some amazing pictures. Afaik The cam isn't pointed at where welding is expected to happen, I think were good without drastically lowering the signal to noise ratio with a filter. A few pixels saturating doesn't hurt it, only a whole row, and at that point, IR heat is what's going to do the damage. Can we just leave it? And mention please be aware of the camera if your going to weld in a new place until the walls are done? On Apr 2, 2014 12:32 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Tuesday, April 01, 2014 17:41:09 a l wrote: We should get a lens filter to alleviate this issue. I don't think they're terribly expensive UV light doesn't kill a CCD. It is more about the net intensity than any particular wavelength. Welding creates a spark gap transmitter, which emits radiation in a wide range of frequencies. There isn't any one distinct frequency, as it is essentially a form of white noise across the EM spectrum. Pointing the camera at the sun won't kill it. Taking every photon that hits within the city limits of Akron and squeezing it into a densely packed and tiny CCD will, as the absorption will produce a lot of heat. Regards, Andrew L On Mar 29, 2014 6:52 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Just as a reminder, If you are welding, you need to not do it in front of the webcam. The CCD is not protected from the UV light the welder produces. The UV will damage the Webcam. On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Webcam's back! Check it out on live.synhak.org. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] IRC
done. On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Do you folks know about #synhak on chat.freenode.net? I think this wiki page needs some love: https://synhak.org/wiki/IRC :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Laser Measuring Tape
Your hired!, you passed the exam. *If you learn nothing, acme will not me held responsible for your lost time. oi, we have a ton of laser printers (with their wonderful servo controlled spinning mirror(s)), we have a way to register distance per step, with proper setup we could make a texture map! if you can make it Sunday for my hours I look forward to detail ironing, or just dial On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Craig, If you need/want/can use some assistance, I'd like to help you when you do the floor measurements with the fancy new gizmos/instruments. Fully qualified to be a worker drone on your team - I can count to 100 and I have memorized the whole alphabet. Plus, I only ask for a hot cup of coffee once per hour and need to pee every two hours. No doubt, I will learn something new and interesting in the process. Philip On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Byron Moran byrondmo...@gmail.comwrote: I might know a guy with access to a really cool 360 degree distance measuring tool. I'll ping him. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: *stands up* how can I help!? And when can it be a TF2 map? Handheld ultrasonic is as far as my technology goes (anyone have a lidar rig?), but after making a quake map of the Cub Foods at the corner of hwy 7 and hwy 101 in MN (the center of the universe), i'de love to do this again with today's technology ( instead of, blueprints, and cameras with rulers in the frame). i'de like to jump in on this one, my original drawing of the space cut corners because of the pressure at the time to finish, but I know what measurements were assumed, what were quickly measured, and what were measured precisely, the Micrografx format I desperately cling to grants no ability to mark measurements with notes (yes I know - when is beta coming back;because it is a terrible format I've been locked into for a decade, but haven't crawled out of my cave yet, but you can't fight love)) but I still have all the pen drawings from measuring. On Mar 27, 2014 8:50 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Would someone have a long distance laser measuring device? I'd like to start playing around with CAD and build a more accurate version of our floorplan, with a third dimension included so we can get an accurate estimation of the resources needed to build a wall. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Thanks, Byron D Moran Software Development Consultant (330)992-9766 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Laser Measuring Tape
I can be found any(!) Sunday from Noon to 3 (i missed a family members bday party the week before last to be there, alone). For the rest of my life, Sundays are indelibly linked to being at SynHak, Alone until 2:59pm. Although I am often late, if I won't arrive by the end of cartalk (1pm) i've always sent an email to the discuss list in shame (since the Bethany-callout) I'm away from the space at the moment, but will be back in time to sit alone Sunday noon to 3. How is Sunday?, I can bring in a laser that does nothing, and a tape measure to continue gathering data to make a real 3d model of the space. Torrie: can you be here Sunday as well? On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: TF CB What time will you be at SH on Sunday? PPP On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014 21:43:30 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Craig, If you need/want/can use some assistance, I'd like to help you when you do the floor measurements with the fancy new gizmos/instruments. Fully qualified to be a worker drone on your team - I can count to 100 and I have memorized the whole alphabet. Plus, I only ask for a hot cup of coffee once per hour and need to pee every two hours. No doubt, I will learn something new and interesting in the process. Neat. Lets get together on Sunday and make an accurate floor plan! Philip On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Byron Moran byrondmo...@gmail.com wrote: I might know a guy with access to a really cool 360 degree distance measuring tool. I'll ping him. On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: *stands up* how can I help!? And when can it be a TF2 map? Handheld ultrasonic is as far as my technology goes (anyone have a lidar rig?), but after making a quake map of the Cub Foods at the corner of hwy 7 and hwy 101 in MN (the center of the universe), i'de love to do this again with today's technology ( instead of, blueprints, and cameras with rulers in the frame). i'de like to jump in on this one, my original drawing of the space cut corners because of the pressure at the time to finish, but I know what measurements were assumed, what were quickly measured, and what were measured precisely, the Micrografx format I desperately cling to grants no ability to mark measurements with notes (yes I know - when is beta coming back;because it is a terrible format I've been locked into for a decade, but haven't crawled out of my cave yet, but you can't fight love)) but I still have all the pen drawings from measuring. On Mar 27, 2014 8:50 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Would someone have a long distance laser measuring device? I'd like to start playing around with CAD and build a more accurate version of our floorplan, with a third dimension included so we can get an accurate estimation of the resources needed to build a wall. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Thanks, Byron D Moran Software Development Consultant (330)992-9766 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Hacking the Tuesday Meeting
--I don't think there is a single person here who can honestly say that the membership is currently a wonderful and tight-knight community of people who trusts that we are all looking out for the group's best interests. (Raises hand) - I do Maybe not so tight-knit anymore, but still within spec, and most certainly looking out for the space's best interests. I emphatically trust the members of synhak by default, and the majority of people who have walked through the front door have not given me a reason to doubt them. On Mar 24, 2014 11:04 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, March 24, 2014 09:06:20 a l wrote: Top-down is not how SYNHAK started, nor is it how we've ever ran things. I don't recall saying that it was. My point was that we are an organization that has meetings. People have brought up that meetings take too long and go too in-depth on topics not everyone cares about. Many people brought up how other organizations conduct their meetings. I just wanted to make sure we weren't being myopic in looking for ways to streamline our meetings. Sure Robert's rules flow using parliamentary/traditional/top-down infrastructure but at the end of the day you have a source of power deciding that a topic has had enough time, using a set of rules to move the discussion on to something else. In my mind some of these rules may be adopted substituting the members present/consensus for a central command structure/voting. The moderator's role is to: - Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak - Speak minimally yourself - Keep the meeting moving - Handle the membership voting process - Be sure to thoroughly follow the procedure outlined in this document, as the template may occasionally change without warning. - The order of things is also important. We induct new members prior to proposals, so that they too may have a say in things. https://synhak.org/wiki/Next_Meeting#Moderator In the past when announcements have turned into discussion they have reminded us 'Hey, this goes here' or when it seems most people are done discussing things they as is it cool we we end the meeting and you keep discussing after?. I'm not saying we give the moderator any more power than they already [don't] have. I'm saying if people are unhappy with how meetings are going lets change the rules we use. Who cares whether the rules come from Robert or MIBS so long as they work for our community? Right. I would like to be moderator this week to try out this pattern: * Get rid of the tables and arrange the chairs in a circle, so nobody is standing up and there isn't anything in between any of us * Introductions, but instead of What do you do?, a different prompt that helps everyone get to know each other. What would your superhero power be? * Announcements! Everyone gets exactly two uninterrupted minutes to make an announcement. Everyone gets a turn before anyone goes twice. * Membership, though we don't have any interviews this week. * Financial report. Just the same brief statements I've been doing lately. I've been reading this book lately, regarding effective patterns in consensus meeting management: http://www.amazon.com/Consensus-Through-Conversation-High-Commitment-Decisions/dp/1576754197 For the Proposals section, I'd like to try this, which is suggested in the book: 1. A call for any open issues that we want to discuss 2. The issue is stated clearly and written up in the minutes while the author to check that they are happy with the description 3. We take a few seconds to quietly reflect on the issue 4. A count of who has concerns and who is unable to support the proposed solution 5. Those who support the solution stay quiet while concerned people get turns describing their view, which is written into the minutes. No discussion of blocks yet! 6. Everyone takes turns providing information or suggestions to modify the solution, until concerns are addressed 7. Blockers take turns explaining why they are blocking, along with their alternative suggestion If you're blocking, you're *required* to provide an alternative! Otherwise, the block doesn't count. 8. Repeat 3 through 7 until we have consensed! Consensus, much like any other structure, only works if the facilitator is willing to put the effort and energy in to making it work. The facilitator isn't a source of authority. The group doesn't serve them, the facilitator serves the group. Their primary goal is making sure that everyone works together to come up with a solution that we can all support by helping the group figure out if solutions and issues are personal in nature or if they're really in the best interest of the space. This consensus process removes any notion that there is a top-down managerial structure which can quickly cause resentment and distrust. If power is concentrated in a
Re: [SH-Discuss] Saturday Cleanup and Cleveland Mini Maker Faire
My schedule for that day is still up in the air but I'll be up there at some point to give breaks help out, just most likely not before 11am On Mar 24, 2014 8:36 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: Andy, Thanks for the offer to give me a ride on Saturday morning. I can be ready to go anytime after 8.30am or even earlier. I am awake and moving by 6.30am, fully functional by 7.30am. The forecast for Saturday is good = [image: Inline image 1] Can you pick me up at McDs at Wallhaven or should I take the bus to downtown Akron? Either is OK with me. I can send you driving directions and a map if you need them. G -- And thank you for the offer too. Will go with Andy and help him set up his display and take a quick run around the venue before the show starts at 10am. If you need any help with the SH table, I will be available. Looking forward to a fun day in Cleveland. Philip On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:13 AM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone, Synhak does indeed have a table at Cleveland Mini Maker Faire this year. I plan to manage the table, in the worst case where only I end up going. Our table is 8ft long. If any maker cannot attend the event, but would be willing to loan their project for a day, please please consider doing so. Cleveland mini maker faire does have a lot of young attendees that will appreciate any basic demos or hands on activities. I plan to: - take along my SnapCircuits kit that will hopefully be able to teach kids about electronics. - take black and white synhak flyers - hopefully take a keyboard, mouse, flat screen monitor, with a laptop that will run synhak pictures in a slideshow - perhaps (if I complete a simple demo) a tinyduino demonstration - 3V batteries and LEDs (thanks to Chris Neer for 3V batteries) Last year, I took my cubelets kit and the table allotted to us was literally stampeded by kids :) Another point of note is that CPL's parking was across the street. We did miss their loading schedule last year (which is usually between 8-9:30a or so behind the library for bigger items). The event starts at 10a, ends at 5p. Me, Torrie and Xander went last year. I remember losing my voice - as the environment got loud with lots of people. This year there's 100+ makers in attendance in two buildings. I might have to pickup my ASL book at home (hope not!). Philip, I don't know my schedule for Friday over Saturday yet. If I leave from Akron, will let you know - as I will be riding alone in my car which is rather quite big and can carry hackers and their gear safely. My primary motivation for going to CMMF is to interact with kids and share something of value with them. You all know my secondary motivation - meet and speak with other makers! Of which there are many more this year. If anyone would like to come along and schedule workshops every top of the hour, that would be great. Many exhibitors follow this format and its quite rewarding to see micro-events like make and take activities during the event. More thoughts and ideas, please reply back. -G On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Anybody - Would like to go to Cleville on Saturday, but I need a ride. Is anybody driving to the Mini Maker Faire that has room for a hitchhiker/passenger? Will be happy to chip in a fiver for gas or buy them a Happy Meal on the way back. I can be ready to go, anytime after 9am on Saturday morning. Can meet you at SH or pick me up at McDs at Wallhaven. Philip On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: I have a tournament on the 29th, so I will be unavailable, but I believe I can finish up the craft room ceiling and rehang the lights by then so we can restock it with it's furnishings, -that will be one less thing to clean around/shuffle On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: So, I think we all agreed to have the cleanup day on March 29th. Turns out that the Cleveland Mini Maker Faire is that day. http://makerfairecleveland.com/ I think we have a table there, but I'm not sure. Bad scheduling on my part, I had forgotten to add it to my and SYNHAK's calendar. Who might be going to the Maker Faire, and who might be handling our table up there? Should we move cleanup day to Sunday or another day? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Hacking the Tuesday Meeting
now that i'm seeing all the colors again, the new moderation style seems interesting. Always up to try something new. Seems awful strict (and like i'm 5), but if you think it could prove to be better, then no complaints on trying it from me (something has to change). Are you set on the note taker retyping the proposal? I've always just copied it, as it recently passed that the exact wording is what's being proposed anyway, why introduce possibility for errors? On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: --I don't think there is a single person here who can honestly say that the membership is currently a wonderful and tight-knight community of people who trusts that we are all looking out for the group's best interests. (Raises hand) - I do Maybe not so tight-knit anymore, but still within spec, and most certainly looking out for the space's best interests. I emphatically trust the members of synhak by default, and the majority of people who have walked through the front door have not given me a reason to doubt them. On Mar 24, 2014 11:04 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, March 24, 2014 09:06:20 a l wrote: Top-down is not how SYNHAK started, nor is it how we've ever ran things. I don't recall saying that it was. My point was that we are an organization that has meetings. People have brought up that meetings take too long and go too in-depth on topics not everyone cares about. Many people brought up how other organizations conduct their meetings. I just wanted to make sure we weren't being myopic in looking for ways to streamline our meetings. Sure Robert's rules flow using parliamentary/traditional/top-down infrastructure but at the end of the day you have a source of power deciding that a topic has had enough time, using a set of rules to move the discussion on to something else. In my mind some of these rules may be adopted substituting the members present/consensus for a central command structure/voting. The moderator's role is to: - Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak - Speak minimally yourself - Keep the meeting moving - Handle the membership voting process - Be sure to thoroughly follow the procedure outlined in this document, as the template may occasionally change without warning. - The order of things is also important. We induct new members prior to proposals, so that they too may have a say in things. https://synhak.org/wiki/Next_Meeting#Moderator In the past when announcements have turned into discussion they have reminded us 'Hey, this goes here' or when it seems most people are done discussing things they as is it cool we we end the meeting and you keep discussing after?. I'm not saying we give the moderator any more power than they already [don't] have. I'm saying if people are unhappy with how meetings are going lets change the rules we use. Who cares whether the rules come from Robert or MIBS so long as they work for our community? Right. I would like to be moderator this week to try out this pattern: * Get rid of the tables and arrange the chairs in a circle, so nobody is standing up and there isn't anything in between any of us * Introductions, but instead of What do you do?, a different prompt that helps everyone get to know each other. What would your superhero power be? * Announcements! Everyone gets exactly two uninterrupted minutes to make an announcement. Everyone gets a turn before anyone goes twice. * Membership, though we don't have any interviews this week. * Financial report. Just the same brief statements I've been doing lately. I've been reading this book lately, regarding effective patterns in consensus meeting management: http://www.amazon.com/Consensus-Through-Conversation-High-Commitment-Decisions/dp/1576754197 For the Proposals section, I'd like to try this, which is suggested in the book: 1. A call for any open issues that we want to discuss 2. The issue is stated clearly and written up in the minutes while the author to check that they are happy with the description 3. We take a few seconds to quietly reflect on the issue 4. A count of who has concerns and who is unable to support the proposed solution 5. Those who support the solution stay quiet while concerned people get turns describing their view, which is written into the minutes. No discussion of blocks yet! 6. Everyone takes turns providing information or suggestions to modify the solution, until concerns are addressed 7. Blockers take turns explaining why they are blocking, along with their alternative suggestion If you're blocking, you're *required* to provide an alternative! Otherwise, the block doesn't count. 8. Repeat 3 through 7 until we have consensed! Consensus, much like any other structure, only works if the facilitator is willing to put the effort
Re: [SH-Discuss] Paint related items for everyone to pick and choose from
That's what the (classic) donation pile is for, I'll be there for my open hours Sunday: Noon to 3 On Mar 22, 2014 12:21 AM, Byron Moran byrondmo...@gmail.com wrote: G, I am actually in the process of painting part of my apartment as we speak. I hope no one minds if I swoop in and grab a couple of these tomorrow. When will the space be open for me to do so? Super helpful! On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM, gs volt gsvo...@gmail.com wrote: Tonight I brought in two boxes of paint rollers (photo of 1box): http://imgur.com/kqBWqPb At the moment, these two boxes are on top of the power wheels racing car's red cover in front of the back bathroom. Also, brought in some Duplicolor Scratch Fix All-in-1 pens (approx. 100): http://imgur.com/DlxbDyy These pens are of various colors of automobiles by make and have been stored at room temperature on the lower shelf next to our 3d printer. Typically I learned that folks that have scratches on their cars, can use them to fix them quickly. If anyone has use for them, feel free to take them home. On opening day, I brought some paint in a Dole banana box that is in the machine room area somewhere that can be used for projects as well. All this stuff is coming direct from Sherwin-Williams' give-aways they sometimes have for anyone to take at no charge! Per item, in their store these things retail for a quite a lot. I'm glad to share all this with everyone at Synhak. Those members who would like to learn how to paint, can consider learning it from those that do I'd say, now that we have a huge number of these rollers. Perhaps we can have a let's paint synhak's walls that need paint day! Regards, G ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Thanks, Byron D Moran Software Development Consultant (330)992-9766 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] crt monitors?
I got a pair of black ones on the way (crt's mfgd post-lcd monitors being a thing) On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Andrew, Thank you for your offer. The family father (Bob) will be coming to SH on Tuesday evening to pick up one or two computers and one or two monitors, depending on what is ready for delivery. Please bring the monitor to SH and I will cast a spell on it to see if I can improve the brightness level. Philip On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:37 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: I've got one that I haven't touched in a few years. IIRC the brightness isn't what it used to be. I'll test it out to make sure it's not terribly yellow and if it's still usable I'll bring it in. regards, Andrew L On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Does SH or any SH member or Discuss List reader have one or two good 17in/19in CRT monitors that can be donated to a local family for use by their four middle/high school daughters? I am donating two refurbished P4 computers, with a keyboard and mouse for each, to the family. If you have one or two, bring it/them to SH and I will make them disappear. Reply by email or poke me with a sharp stick at the next meeting. Thanks! Philip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Consensus with Limited Blocking
+1 On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:24 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure which thread discussing consensus decision making people will read but this is the one with the actual proposal in it so I'm posting this here. The majority of our proposals in previous meetings have been agreed on 100% so regardless of which form of decision making was used they were indistinguishable. I don't want to exclude anyone anymore than anyone else but there will come a topic in which someone will block it for no real reason. Sure we can say they are unexcellent and go through the process of member removal but that is a long drawn out affair(for a good reason) and really reflects poorly on the state of the 'space if we have to use it. * Proposals or membership applications may be accepted by the Membership of SYNHAK as long as nobody blocks any such application. If we can change the wording to '..as long as no member in good standing of Syn/Hak ...' this looks good. ** Not everyone has to agree with the reason for a block to be valid, it just has to be clearly stated. I strongly feel there should be qualifications for a prolonged block. Since things are scattered around I've reposted my thoughts for consideration: A block for one week may be put in place by any member in good standing for any reason on any proposal being decided. The option to renew this block after one week must meet the following criteria: A) An alternate solution must be proposed B) The block must specify applicable violations of the Syn/Hak, INC Bylaws C) The block must specify applicable violations of 26 US Code Section 501(c)(3) or Section 509(a)(2) D) The block must specify applicable violations of Federal, State, or Local law * Blocked membership applications or proposals with the support of at least three total members may be blocked indefinitely. I realize this is for scenarios where an axe-murderer, terrorist, or other ne'er-do-well wants to become a member. I realize some people are exceptionally good at hiding their past/current intentions but I have faith in our community not to sponsor most of these people. As it reads there is room for abuse. We have in the past declared proposals as bad ideas(tm) and not passed them. There needs to be a sunset on the time a proposal is considered active. Having an indefinite block implies the proposal is still being considered. A mechanism to fail or otherwise not pass proposals needs to exist. regards, Andrew L On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 7:20 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, March 20, 2014 03:28:21 Andrew Buczko wrote: feel ? It's a system, you use it to make decisions. 1 an proposal is brought up. 2 we talk on it / make changes / corrections. 3 we vote for it or against it. Step two is the step where we could split the proposal to accommodate every one if there are two schools of thought. Spending four months talking about your problems is no way to run a group Andy We're a lot more than some vague group, we're a community of people who have a primary focus of getting along and working together. Feelings matter. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 01:24:20 Andrew Buczko wrote: I do not see consensus working as the group grows larger, we need to vote and be done with the mater at hand. Why do you feel that voting is the better way for us to decide things? We can always write new proposals to deal with changes that come in the future. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: In the risk of sounding confrontational, you have asked for feedback... I have real reservations with this proposal. IMO this will create a blockade where the strong willed get their way and those with less time to commit to arguing will give up or quit synhak all together. Even with the limited blocking option added in I question WHY. Why should 1 person be able to hold the entire org hostage to make action? Voting does create a winning side and losing side. But it is fair. Every member in good standing is allowed 1 vote and only 1 vote. If the majority decides to accept a member why should one person get to decide that it should be blocked? One person does not decide the path of SynHak, the group does. Not everyone is going to be happy with all decisions. The path to playing nicely and being excellent is accepting that the group feels differently than you and moving forward. Not all decisions can be forced into consensus, esp when the group grows beyond a handful of people (as we have). Our views, disciplines, and experiences are diverse, let us accept that,
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Consensus with Limited Blocking
My thoughts and feedback: I agree SynHak will likely have a busy year, hopefully we can say that every year. We are sure to face other splits in opinion. This particular issue is very one sided, with less than 20% on one side, but what about the next one, where it is near 50%. I don't think it's possible to get people to agree when arguments are deeply rooted and completely incompatible (other than finer control of new members as mentioned). Consensus is called for when things are analog, and concessions can be made. Voting is for when that is not possible (such as our elections (you can't elect someone on the condition they stop using apple products). If we may choose between two or more courses of action that are incompatible, say the leading projects for some grant money, or (an extreme example) to burn down the space or to not burn down the space, there is no compromise possible; there is no middle ground. This is not the debate we face, but it's one were likely to encounter (the former). What alternatives other than a majority rule, dictator rule, or rolling a dice exist for deciding between two correct but opposite answers? If my choices are 3d printing a 'the decider' dice set, or for phong to be the new commander/overlord of the space, I'll take what I think would make the most people happy, after hearing all sides present their point of view, doing what the most people have said will make them happy. As I understand the intent of the bylaws, A member, after changing as many minds as possible (through facts, debate, or threat) still only counts as one member. I think the main problem with demanding consensus on every issue is the time it takes to wear down those who simply don't agree. I strongly believe we should all move as one whenever possible, as we have in the past. Pulling over the space for a month over one issue keeps us from moving at all. I like your proposal, it allows an individual to cry foul (although I think 6 weeks is far too long) but I don't think it would be sufficient for this, or other major splits. Perhaps one week, a member can cry out eff-no/reconvene in a week(once and only once). This will come up again, and at some point in our process I feel we need a definitive 'timeout reached, answer is ___ system in place. A weekly rehash of the same issue as you suggest, with the same 3 blocking it until one switches opinion, leaves the space, or we all die does not fit this need (imo). Carefully, Craig P.s. I think this phone ran out of commas. On Mar 19, 2014 12:02 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: In the risk of sounding confrontational, you have asked for feedback... I have real reservations with this proposal. IMO this will create a blockade where the strong willed get their way and those with less time to commit to arguing will give up or quit synhak all together. Even with the limited blocking option added in I question WHY. Why should 1 person be able to hold the entire org hostage to make action? Voting does create a winning side and losing side. But it is fair. Every member in good standing is allowed 1 vote and only 1 vote. If the majority decides to accept a member why should one person get to decide that it should be blocked? One person does not decide the path of SynHak, the group does. Not everyone is going to be happy with all decisions. The path to playing nicely and being excellent is accepting that the group feels differently than you and moving forward. Not all decisions can be forced into consensus, esp when the group grows beyond a handful of people (as we have). Our views, disciplines, and experiences are diverse, let us accept that, hear the pov, and allow the voice of the group decide how we move forward. Our discussion process and proposal process provides for a clear and transparent method for showing different points of views even if all views are of the same opinion (OMG new person is super cool). Then the membership can make a decision with all views (members and non-members) expressed. Respectfully, Justin On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: The last few membership applications and proposals we've had, we've sometimes used a vote, sometimes went with does anyone raise issues? This is going to be a bigger year for SYNHAK. I think we should consider revisiting our consensus process to allow it to scale in a manner that helps to maintain our shared spirit of experimentation, openness, and the triumvirate of Consensus, Do-ocracy, and Excellence. I feel that one such vector is by stepping away from the trend of having simple majority voting, or rather, any kind of vagueness on the definition of consensus, as clearly evidenced in tonight's meeting. The original intent of our membership process was to weed out the crazy people. I think this should also be extended to include measures to weed out people that might not fully
Re: [SH-Discuss] Field Trips
instinctively: GOGOGO! realistically: what time frame are they planning? Will we finally look like were moved in by then? -imo We're still unpacking, with most machines in the shop unpowered, and most of the EE lab covered in more stuff to put in the EE lab. The palm room seems to be sprinting ahead, and yay because it's our entrance. I am absolutely for this, To me a field trip to our site adds a full slice in the toaster of our legitimacy (yea it's late, i know, w/e). Timeframe? Age group? Activities expected? On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Someone on twitter is asking if someone at SYNHAK would like to host kids to visit the space for a field trip. https://twitter.com/jrmcken/status/446334553461129216 Thoughts? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts
I have mentioned in the past the difference in opinion in what a discount is when there is little incentive to buy. To me the discounts are not high enough to incentive hey let's both be members when, as Torrie has mentioned in the past, the only difference is a vote. What married couple would vote two different ways?, What married couple would see this and this alone as something providing value? If one partner has gone the extra mile to financially support us what is the incentive to 'do it again'? My thought on this from long ago was $50/mo covers a couple and any kids that live with them acting as one entity in the space. This follows other organizations that do not require money to enjoy, unlike others, cell phones for example, that each member is getting direct value they would not have with out paying. This is asking for a little bit more because you'll have more than just yourself here, but not too much more because you could anyway. Also, the interview process would involve the family (or couple) applying as one person, which I think is a better way to meet. The same commitment based percentage discounts could apply keeping everything simple. On Mar 12, 2014 11:56 PM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: I think family rates should be 10 to 15$ more per each additional member with no discounts for buying in advance. I'm fine with non family group rates as currently proposed. On Mar 12, 2014 9:22 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: No problem, that's discuss is for! To help each other. On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 22:01:21 Seeley, Tim wrote: Would $94.50 be the rate paid by an individual paying 3 months at one time? (3*35) = 105 10% of 105 = 10.5 105-10.5=94.5 Yeah, you're both right. I'm an engineer, I swear. V/R Tim Seeley From: discuss-boun...@synhak.org [mailto:discuss-boun...@synhak.org] On Behalf Of Omar Rassi Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:36 PM To: SYN/HAK discussion list Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Group discounts I think your 7 month 3 people example fall in the 20% discount if the largest discount applies. Other than that I see no issue with this. Being able to pay dues for multiple people seem like an more efficient structure than having two different pricing plans (a family discount plan and bulk membership plan). On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netmailto:tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: I want to resume our previous discussions about the family discount plans. Previous thread: https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-January/006706.html First, I agree with Andrew's suggestion that the student and senior rates should be combined into one. $15 seems reasonable, yeah? Second, the discount system. I'd like to stick with the idea of being able to buy subscriptions in blocks. However, I'd like to adopt a constant discount rate based on how many unique individuals are being paid for, with a disjoint discount for the number of months that are bought for a single person. Here's how I think it can be broken down for a single person: * 0% discount for 1 month * 10% discount for 3 or more months And if it is for a whole group: * 15% discount for 2-6 people * 20% discount for 7 or more If multiple discounts are available, the largest one will be used. Examples: * 1 person, 1 month: $35, 0% discount * 1 person, 2 months: $70, 0% discount * 1 person, 3 months: $101.5, 10% discount of $105 * 2 people, 1 month for each person: $59.50, 15% discount of $70 * 2 people, 2 months for each person: $119, 15% discount of $140 * 2 people, 3 months for each person: $178.50, 15% discount of $210 * 7 people, 3 months for each person: $624.75, 15% discount of $735 This should be quite a bit simpler than the previous idea, and still keeps with the original idea of making it easier for couples or families to support themselves. Finally, I am considering developing a sliding scale for the low income rate. I'm not too sure how that would get implemented, but charging a percentage of membership dues based on the ability to pay seems a lot more fair than pegging everyone at $15/mo, especially since we're all about inclusiveness. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.orgmailto:Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks
After reconnecting with a CFO pal of mine last night and googling everything i frantically wrote down that he said, I agree with him that, legally, everything under contention can happily fall under ubit. After hearing example after example, i'de be shocked if our issue being less than 49% of monthly income (by a lot) would be an issue if properly reported. if we wanna be specific about it, cogs is like $50/year (add all utilities + the rent and divide by the square foot leased (that alone may be our biggest issue (were charging far over 200% 'real value' and are supposta be not for profit (he recommended we gift the storage and take in a monthly recurring donation'))), so if the lease caps at $600 total we don't even have to care (but should either way imo) http://www.irs.gov/Charities--Non-Profits/Unrelated-Business-Income-Tax we can file a 990-t either way http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i990t.pdf - or choose not to if the lease dies after 6 months instead of a full year, assuming cogs is more than $200/year (which it probably isn't). buckled in. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:00:39 a l wrote: Thanks for the relevant sources and calm voicing of concerns. To this end: Just because things require taxing does not mean we cannot conduct them. We would just need to weigh the benefits and time involved. As the chief financial officer who is ultimately responsible for maintaining our tax records, I would very much rather not bring about any potential for audits. This is *not worth it* and will require substantial effort to convince me to deal with it, unless someone else wants to doocratically step up and handle any unrelated business income and maintain that for the next few years. The Champions are also welcome to initiate a coup to usurp my position. We lose physical space, I lose more time for non-treasurer things, I'm responsible for even more legal overhead, future treasurers and secretaries will be responsible for maintaining the paper trail for the next few years to prevent audit, etc. And we want volunteers to handle this? I believe I'm exceptionally lucky among hackerspace treasurers in that I have a flexible situation of office space, financial advice, and employment. Is this $600 worth the pain, including this heated argument that has been going on for over a week, tearing us apart, and making us look dysfunctional to the whole freaking planet? I'm confident that the community of SYNHAK has reached consensus: Do not do this. As the Treasurer for SYNHAK, Inc, I wish to inform the board that they may disregard their treasurer's advice and concerns at their own risk at the upcoming meeting. I am legally obligated by the bylaws to serve the board, which I feel I have been doing faithfully and to the best of my abilities. I think many would agree that I am usually the first to give the benefit of the doubt regarding trustworthy actions. As a Member, I wish to inform the board that the individuals involved have lost my trust and the trust of many others for not having an open discussion about this up front. Regards, Andrew L On Mar 5, 2014 9:24 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Also since this has been brought up before... ...the following activities are specifically excluded from the definition of unrelated trade or business: - *Volunteer Labor*: Any trade or business is excluded in which substantially all the work is performed for the organization without compensation. Some fundraising activities, such as volunteer operated bake sales, may meet this exception. *[Bake SALE at the proposed Auction?]* - *Convenience of Members*: Any trade or business is excluded that is carried on by an organization described in section 501(c)(3) or by a governmental college or university primarily for the convenience of its members, students, patients, officers, or employees. A typical example of this is a school cafeteria. *[Selling Arduinos or other consumables in a vending area?]* - *Selling Donated Merchandise*: Any trade or business is excluded that consists of selling merchandise, substantially all of which the organization received as gifts or contributions. Many thrift shop operations of exempt organizations would meet this exception. *[All the donated Computers?]* http://www.irs.gov/Charities--Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Unrela ted-Business-Income-Tax-Exceptions-and-Exclusions On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: This has already be researched http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf Page 17 Section Rental Income: Generally, income derived from the rental of real property and incidental personal property is excluded from unrelated business income.
Re: [SH-Discuss] IRS and Leased Racks
imo a 990-t must be filed either way, (not cashing the checks means nothing with a sublease that has the building owners signature on it (as he will be filin it eitherway)), so why not just run it for 6 months. afaik it's too late to do anything else (legally) without pretending events didn't happen which could get us in *real* trouble. On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:02 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure how you can claim consensus, when as you've pointed out,there hadn't been a vote. My point was that, as far as I understand, just because activity is taxable does not mean we cannot conduct it.we just need to file and collect taxes on these activities. As I pointed out this is additional work and the costs and benefits must be weighed. I have requested that this be brought to the vote since it was brought up in discussion in January. This has not happened. Regards, Andrew L On Mar 6, 2014 10:32 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:00:39 a l wrote: Thanks for the relevant sources and calm voicing of concerns. To this end: Just because things require taxing does not mean we cannot conduct them. We would just need to weigh the benefits and time involved. As the chief financial officer who is ultimately responsible for maintaining our tax records, I would very much rather not bring about any potential for audits. This is *not worth it* and will require substantial effort to convince me to deal with it, unless someone else wants to doocratically step up and handle any unrelated business income and maintain that for the next few years. The Champions are also welcome to initiate a coup to usurp my position. We lose physical space, I lose more time for non-treasurer things, I'm responsible for even more legal overhead, future treasurers and secretaries will be responsible for maintaining the paper trail for the next few years to prevent audit, etc. And we want volunteers to handle this? I believe I'm exceptionally lucky among hackerspace treasurers in that I have a flexible situation of office space, financial advice, and employment. Is this $600 worth the pain, including this heated argument that has been going on for over a week, tearing us apart, and making us look dysfunctional to the whole freaking planet? I'm confident that the community of SYNHAK has reached consensus: Do not do this. As the Treasurer for SYNHAK, Inc, I wish to inform the board that they may disregard their treasurer's advice and concerns at their own risk at the upcoming meeting. I am legally obligated by the bylaws to serve the board, which I feel I have been doing faithfully and to the best of my abilities. I think many would agree that I am usually the first to give the benefit of the doubt regarding trustworthy actions. As a Member, I wish to inform the board that the individuals involved have lost my trust and the trust of many others for not having an open discussion about this up front. Regards, Andrew L On Mar 5, 2014 9:24 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Also since this has been brought up before... ...the following activities are specifically excluded from the definition of unrelated trade or business: - *Volunteer Labor*: Any trade or business is excluded in which substantially all the work is performed for the organization without compensation. Some fundraising activities, such as volunteer operated bake sales, may meet this exception. *[Bake SALE at the proposed Auction?]* - *Convenience of Members*: Any trade or business is excluded that is carried on by an organization described in section 501(c)(3) or by a governmental college or university primarily for the convenience of its members, students, patients, officers, or employees. A typical example of this is a school cafeteria. *[Selling Arduinos or other consumables in a vending area?]* - *Selling Donated Merchandise*: Any trade or business is excluded that consists of selling merchandise, substantially all of which the organization received as gifts or contributions. Many thrift shop operations of exempt organizations would meet this exception. *[All the donated Computers?]* http://www.irs.gov/Charities--Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Unrela ted-Business-Income-Tax-Exceptions-and-Exclusions On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: This has already be researched http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf Page 17 Section Rental Income: Generally, income derived from the rental of real property and incidental personal property is excluded from unrelated business income. It goes on to state HOW it would not qualify. (if there is a mortgage, if personal services are rendered, if a parking lot is charged) I thought
Re: [SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house
Space-giving, hacky new year, opening day anniversary. Do we need a mid summer one? We have speakers starting up again, and are sure to have lots of events this summer during our busy season. imo the less frequent the better, so there a big deal to both visitors and regulars, nobody will say 'I'll catch the next one'. On Mar 4, 2014 3:13 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we use the Space-Giving for the last one of the year? The September 6th might be difficult as it is near labor day. Unless we like that. Having it around the start of school is a great way to get the UA area involved! Great Ideas lets keep them rolling! On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March, June, September, and December. March 1st - done! June 7th - start planning September 6th - end of summer December 6th - buried in snow Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and supporters. Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH in the news. That is is good thing, as Martha would say. I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events. Might even rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front door. Philip On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly do these things quarterly, if not twice a year. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Summer 2014 open house
And it's a unique, promotable, yearly event that people will be waiting (all year) for. Having 4 yearly events imo is better than a event that happens 4 times a year. Also, really looking forward to this auction, I have a few outputs to contribute myself. On Mar 5, 2014 12:22 AM, Becca Salchak rlsalc...@gmail.com wrote: We are having a silent auction mid summer which I hope will become an annual event maybe count that as one even though it truly won't be an open house as we will be selling tickets. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Good call Craig. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Space-giving, hacky new year, opening day anniversary. Do we need a mid summer one? We have speakers starting up again, and are sure to have lots of events this summer during our busy season. imo the less frequent the better, so there a big deal to both visitors and regulars, nobody will say 'I'll catch the next one'. On Mar 4, 2014 3:13 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we use the Space-Giving for the last one of the year? The September 6th might be difficult as it is near labor day. Unless we like that. Having it around the start of school is a great way to get the UA area involved! Great Ideas lets keep them rolling! On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Let's do an Open House on the first Saturday of the month, in March, June, September, and December. March 1st - done! June 7th - start planning September 6th - end of summer December 6th - buried in snow Open House events are a very good way to attract new members and supporters. Plus, if it is advertised properly, the event will keep SH in the news. That is is good thing, as Martha would say. I will be happy to help plan any of the upcoming SH events. Might even rent a tux and pretend to be the official greeter at the front door. Philip On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Any thoughts about a summer open house? I think we could possibly do these things quarterly, if not twice a year. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] The leased racks
If i may help summarize the mood as I saw it at the time for those in the back, 48 is still very new, with double the space and a seemingly never ending list of projects: member's money is flying out the doors with no end in sight, the saying 'give till it hurts, then come back tomorrow' feels like it should be the motto. The word from the treasurer is we're broke - doubt we can afford heat, give me a receipt and i'll (magic?), and the calender relentlessly approaches opening day. A member everyone loves at the moment generously offers to trade some space for some monthly cash (as if he hasn't donated enough already), and as a bonus, extra shelves to use as wall dividers until real walls can be afforded. Who could possibly be against such a donation at that time? /end my mood at the time On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13:08 Omar Rassi wrote: My understanding from conversations at the space about this was that the racks would have plywood walls built onto them so that they can be separated from prying eyes and sticky hands. Nothing on those shelves should concern anyone but the Lessee and legal agents of the lessor. Is there a copy of the lease on the documents repo or filed on paper at Synhak??? I feel as Champion I should at least be familiar with the details of the lease in order to help protect everyone's interests. No, there is nothing. Some time ago there was a copy sent to bizops@, but: * There was no board vote * There was no proposal * I've never seen a signed copy * I raised issues with the version sent to bizops@ that were totally ignored Citations: Original question: https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-January/53.html Devin posted the lease to bizops@: https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/66.html Raising issues: https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/68.html No, there was no vote or proposal: https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003270.html I am unable to find any mention of a sub-lease in meeting minutes prior to the above mails. If the lease was signed without any formal discussion or approval, I would feel that it is a massive breach of trust and possibly not even legally binding. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: I am not comfortable with those racks that a board member is (in theory) leasing space for. At today's open house, I saw numerous guests grabbing and poking things. I then put up signs and kept an eye on it. Didn't help. I've also noticed that a few synhak things are on the racks now. If synhak is somehow liable for those racks, I have some questions that will be brought up on Tuesday: When did the board approve such a situation or lease? Where was the membership discussion about the use of space that does not contribute to hacking? Is synhak liable for any damages or stolen equipment? What if some of our stuff ends up there? If synhak is liable, does that mean the champions are required to police the racks? You'll never get members to do that. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo
or, if it's $200 and you know for a fact the space needs it right now, just grudgingly buy it and hold mild anger towards those that said it wasn't needed (sorry, in a mood). Unless (crosses fingers) this is meant as a way to test a new, functional system for the space approving purchases, if so: Is there a budget for the space that includes consumables like toilet paper that any member is allowed to see / comment on? What percentage of the remainder of that does this $200 represent? As I mentioned before, I think this is a great idea, and the lower price tag just makes it better. I also have mentioned we should be paying more for internet so we can supplement our real host with some old fashioned house file servers (and a webcam/open sign/phone that doesn't require so much maintenance). If a call for comments is up, my only concern is one of not knowing if the amount we have for monthly improvements has included all the consumables I would think higher priority (such as toilet paper). I am also surprised that there is a penny left in this fund after 2 months of building. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:35:51 Justin Herman wrote: I agree with Andrew, I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to evaluate the needs of the infrastructure. If you've got several concerns, what are those concerns? I too can claim to be concerned about something and not actually say why. Instead of doing any useful synhak work today or tomorrow, I'll be producing a technical report that shows why this investment will benefit the hacker community we aim to support. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote: WAT? first you said it was $1.60 Then $16.40 Now it's $123.10 ? On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Previous thread: https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003393.html I'd like to propose that we spend $200 to reserve the two t1.micro instances in that proposal for the purpose of web servers. Our current AWS expenditure is still ~$80/mo. Spending $200 up front will reduce that bill by $16.40/mo and keep our infrastructure expenses low for the next three years. Thats an extra $16.40 we can invest elsewhere with a break even point of 12 months. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] The leased racks
it wasn't meant like that (didn't think of it like that until you mentioned it - thanks), I was just trying to ram home the point that the offer was not one made to take advantage of the space in their time of need for personal gain, but to help the space as much as possible, and at the time most donations took place, it required a lot of goodwill towards and belief in the space to continue donating after (imo) being blasted for doing so repeatedly. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:50:03 Craig Bergdorf wrote: If i may help summarize the mood as I saw it at the time for those in the back, 48 is still very new, with double the space and a seemingly never ending list of projects: member's money is flying out the doors with no end in sight, the saying 'give till it hurts, then come back tomorrow' feels like it should be the motto. The word from the treasurer is we're broke - doubt we can afford heat, give me a receipt and i'll (magic?), and the calender relentlessly approaches opening day. The original estimation about heat was $900 based on the only information I knew about our MCF rate. It ended up being around $100. I'd be more than happy to sit down with you and show the accounting that shows we aren't broke. I would not be setting lofty goals of the original $1200 membership credit, $50 monthly maintenance budget, $150 buildout budget, etc if we were desperately seeking funds. I'm not sure where you've gotten the idea that we are or ever were broke. When I started working on the accounting I (imho) had been very transparent and consistently reiterated that we in fact have a lot more funds than was previously reported with plenty of evidence. I admit that the evidence was a bit murky, but then again, nobody asked me to work with them to understand it. A member everyone loves at the moment generously offers to trade some space for some monthly cash (as if he hasn't donated enough already), and as a bonus, extra shelves to use as wall dividers until real walls can be afforded. Who could possibly be against such a donation at that time? Please don't bring up quantity of contributions as any kind of metric of a person's value. Please just no. That is a very very bad road to go down. /end my mood at the time On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Monday, March 03, 2014 10:13:08 Omar Rassi wrote: My understanding from conversations at the space about this was that the racks would have plywood walls built onto them so that they can be separated from prying eyes and sticky hands. Nothing on those shelves should concern anyone but the Lessee and legal agents of the lessor. Is there a copy of the lease on the documents repo or filed on paper at Synhak??? I feel as Champion I should at least be familiar with the details of the lease in order to help protect everyone's interests. No, there is nothing. Some time ago there was a copy sent to bizops@, but: * There was no board vote * There was no proposal * I've never seen a signed copy * I raised issues with the version sent to bizops@ that were totally ignored Citations: Original question: https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-January/53.html Devin posted the lease to bizops@: https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/66.html Raising issues: https://synhak.org/pipermail/bizops/2014-February/68.html No, there was no vote or proposal: https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003270.html I am unable to find any mention of a sub-lease in meeting minutes prior to the above mails. If the lease was signed without any formal discussion or approval, I would feel that it is a massive breach of trust and possibly not even legally binding. On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: I am not comfortable with those racks that a board member is (in theory) leasing space for. At today's open house, I saw numerous guests grabbing and poking things. I then put up signs and kept an eye on it. Didn't help. I've also noticed that a few synhak things are on the racks now. If synhak is somehow liable for those racks, I have some questions that will be brought up on Tuesday: When did the board approve such a situation or lease? Where was the membership discussion about the use of space that does not contribute to hacking? Is synhak liable for any damages or stolen equipment? What if some of our stuff ends up there? If synhak is liable, does that mean the champions are required to police the racks? You'll never get members to do
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo
TWC is inherently bad in this region. Although a specific study has not yet been done at 48, I'll bet you a panda once the basement is built up a bit more and one is run it will fail. packet loss, inconsistent speeds, random outages, the whole deal. A single (especially docsis) connection to the internet can't be trusted for much, twc just lowers the bar for what is deemed an always on conenction. that being said, I don't think it's a huge deal if ftp.synhak.org was down 5% of the time due to twc, or angry panda attack. I do care if the website as a whole is down even 1% of the time as it just looks unprofessional. The hybrid I suggested was just offloading all file hosting over a few k or whatever makes sense from a billing standpoint to the basement, but keeping all the thinking where it can always speak. There are plenty of other options to host a reliable site for less (i resell hosting myself with an SLA, and a synhak sized account would be really cheap), but there are also cheaper workbenches to be had over the ones that were built, however it's too late to replace them now (and why when there far better, and nobody feels bad modifying them) There has been a lot of work put into aws that would require being thrown away if moving to a different hosting infrastructure. I'm sure lots more can be offloaded, but I hope everything someone arriving off google would want would be available always. Also, yes torrie, bad time to mention that, this convo was started at 21 when people started asking how hard is it to keep a website up? need help or hosting or something? On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:27:50 Torrie Fischer wrote: On Monday, March 03, 2014 12:05:08 Craig Bergdorf wrote: or, if it's $200 and you know for a fact the space needs it right now, just grudgingly buy it and hold mild anger towards those that said it wasn't needed (sorry, in a mood). Unless (crosses fingers) this is meant as a way to test a new, functional system for the space approving purchases, if so: I would really like to develop a finance committee for the space but I do not have the bandwidth, so I'm taking a very brute force approach to it by asking discuss@ for expenditures. Is there a budget for the space that includes consumables like toilet paper that any member is allowed to see / comment on? What percentage of the remainder of that does this $200 represent? Yes, thats the $50 maintenance budget. https://synhak.org/wiki/Maintenance_Budget This $200 is an investment into our monthly AWS budget, which is a separate entry that gets wrapped up into accounts payable, which is currently estimated at $435. This $200 would therefore be 31% of the estimated $635 total, should this be agreed upon. As I mentioned before, I think this is a great idea, and the lower price tag just makes it better. I also have mentioned we should be paying more for internet so we can supplement our real host with some old fashioned house file servers (and a webcam/open sign/phone that doesn't require so much maintenance). Open sign and the webcam don't need much maintenance once they're configured and left untouched. The recent synhak.org infrastructure rebuilding I finished that involves disposable web servers removes a lot of the failure points we previously suffered with the system. I was hoping to work on removing a bunch more failure points on the client side, but not today. If a call for comments is up, my only concern is one of not knowing if the amount we have for monthly improvements has included all the consumables I would think higher priority (such as toilet paper). I am also surprised that there is a penny left in this fund after 2 months of building. Most of the buildout was in the form of membership dues credit. For some reason, nobody has actually asked for any reimbursement yet. I thought I was very transparent on how much money we had available for reimbursement, how much membership credit was available, and what the difference was between credit and reimbursement. SYNHAK, Inc has so far spent $21.29 on four floodlights, and $22.15 on some kitchen supplies. That is it. I'm serious. For giggles, here's our checking account from December 1st 2013 to today: http://i.imgur.com/z3rOjib.png I'm happy to explain any entries :) Heck, I've had $150 in SYNHAK reimbursement cash on my person every single day I was at the space over the last two months. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:35:51 Justin Herman wrote: I agree with Andrew, I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to evaluate the needs of the infrastructure. If you've got several concerns, what are those concerns
Re: [SH-Discuss] Proposal: Investing in synhak.org Infrastructure 2: Electric Boogaloo
or frequent outages? Not getting promised service BW? Excessive packet loss? Are we taking metrics? And if TWC is that bad WHY was it chosen to use them? On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: or, if it's $200 and you know for a fact the space needs it right now, just grudgingly buy it and hold mild anger towards those that said it wasn't needed (sorry, in a mood). Unless (crosses fingers) this is meant as a way to test a new, functional system for the space approving purchases, if so: Is there a budget for the space that includes consumables like toilet paper that any member is allowed to see / comment on? What percentage of the remainder of that does this $200 represent? As I mentioned before, I think this is a great idea, and the lower price tag just makes it better. I also have mentioned we should be paying more for internet so we can supplement our real host with some old fashioned house file servers (and a webcam/open sign/phone that doesn't require so much maintenance). If a call for comments is up, my only concern is one of not knowing if the amount we have for monthly improvements has included all the consumables I would think higher priority (such as toilet paper). I am also surprised that there is a penny left in this fund after 2 months of building. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, March 03, 2014 11:35:51 Justin Herman wrote: I agree with Andrew, I hold several concerns about this proposal and think we need to evaluate the needs of the infrastructure. If you've got several concerns, what are those concerns? I too can claim to be concerned about something and not actually say why. Instead of doing any useful synhak work today or tomorrow, I'll be producing a technical report that shows why this investment will benefit the hacker community we aim to support. On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote: WAT? first you said it was $1.60 Then $16.40 Now it's $123.10 ? On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: Previous thread: https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/003393.html I'd like to propose that we spend $200 to reserve the two t1.micro instances in that proposal for the purpose of web servers. Our current AWS expenditure is still ~$80/mo. Spending $200 up front will reduce that bill by $16.40/mo and keep our infrastructure expenses low for the next three years. Thats an extra $16.40 we can invest elsewhere with a break even point of 12 months. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] new display wall of fame
I have a Kodak / Shinko 4-pass dye-sublimation printer from the photolab of a rite-aid. If anyone needs 4x6 prints and is considering paying a local photohut to print them the same result comes out of my basement. Happy to donate the 30 or 40 prints left in the media kit and the fun of firing it up. On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:48 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: I definitely like the timeline idea. I'll pick up some mounting board for Unframed pictures next time I'm at hobby lobby. Regards, Andrew L On Feb 27, 2014 1:55 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:36:04 Philip P. Patnode wrote: In the spirit of do'ocracy and a strong personal motivation, I want to use the large white wall next to the kitchen, before the doorway to the back room, as a display wall. I will be hanging prints of famous scientists, inventors, programmers, artists, engineers, Nobel laureates, and others on the wall. The first three individuals to be hung (not a pun) will be *Ada Lovelace*, *Alan Turing*, and *Nikola Tesla*. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_lovelace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla I will try to add one or two color prints, with or without frame, of notable individuals in science, technology, engineering, mathematics, and art every week. I will also be adding photographs of SH members, supporters, non-members and other assorted guests to the wall on a continuing basis. +1! It would be super cool to have a wall of photographs of our community members with names so others can easily match names only ever seen on a mailing list with real meatspace entities. I invite everybody to contribute to the display wall with prints, photographs, and framed artwork that is appropriate to the philosophy, purpose, and mission of SH. I've got a couple of photographs of the garage that would be pretty neat to include as a kind of timeline. If anybody objects to using the wall for this purpose, please submit your objection n triplicate to me by personal messenger. The text of your complaint must be on plain bond paper, in 12-point Arial type, with citations and links, as necessary. It will be processed by a committee of one and dealt with promptly. Be aware that frivolous claims will result in a two-week stay in total isolation at the Re-education Camp for Recalcitrant Individuals, located in a nearby, unnamed county. Seriously, if you don't want the wall used for display, please speak up now. Becca and I decided that we'd like to paint some arrowish line things on the wall, akin to this: http://www.lighttape.co.uk/graphic23/subway-egress.jpg Except a number of them that are different colors pointing to different locations in the space at chest or eye level. I think it'd be neat to use whiteboard or chalkboard paint on small sections of them for easy relabeling in the future. As long as they're just frames that are getting hung like a normal frame, I don't think it'll get in the way much with some more painting on that wall :) BTW, I will be providing the prints, frames, and photos that I plan to hang on the wall at my expense. Philip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] new display wall of fame
Media kit runs about $175 on ebay and is good for 500 pictures, as for what's in there now put me down for 50 4x6 or 25 6x8, or if enough people want fancy $1/ea kodak prints and want to run through a whole media kit I have no prob bringing it to the space for a week to do that. Unlike printing with a photo printer the prints can be washed in the sink if they get spilled/splattered on. Color laser photo paper and somebodys modern color laser makes something that can at least the front of can be wiped off (although the quality is far below dyes). Alternativly putting everything behind glass brings ink printers into the mix, as no sunlight will ever hit the prints. I guess when I first read it I was picturing a frameless covering of pictures taped floor to ceiling (maximum serial killer sytle, minimum cost). The frames would give it a lot more class and look less like a middle schooler's bedroom On Feb 28, 2014 12:04 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Phillip, I am not suggesting we should print all of these but here are some pics of us and the space. http://www.flickr.com/photos/gsvolt/sets/ https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bxw1KFspeHRrUHQzSFlfZ1Z1bzQusp=sharing https://plus.google.com/photos/114656358040091705569/albums/5973629248150864033 On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: *Open call for JPG image files!* I will be happy to fund the first *100 4x6 color prints* of members, non-members, supporters, and events at SH. Each person (member or non-member) may submit up to FIVE images for printing and eventual display on the new wall of notability. Don't send me any image files of your dog, cat, raccoon, ex-girlfriend, motorcycle, or screaming baby. This offer is good for the next 10 days or when the limit has been reached. Philip On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Torrie, My original vision for the wall included lots of space for photos of all members and supporters involved with SH, plus candid photos taken at SH events on and off site. If you or anybody else has physical photos available. please bring them to SH and I will see that they get added to the wall. Philip On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:54 AM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: How much does a media kit run? It might be worth investing in if they aren't absurdly expensive. Regards, Andrew L On Feb 28, 2014 7:43 AM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Kodak / Shinko 4-pass dye-sublimation printer from the photolab of a rite-aid. If anyone needs 4x6 prints and is considering paying a local photohut to print them the same result comes out of my basement. Happy to donate the 30 or 40 prints left in the media kit and the fun of firing it up. On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:48 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: I definitely like the timeline idea. I'll pick up some mounting board for Unframed pictures next time I'm at hobby lobby. Regards, Andrew L On Feb 27, 2014 1:55 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:36:04 Philip P. Patnode wrote: In the spirit of do'ocracy and a strong personal motivation, I want to use the large white wall next to the kitchen, before the doorway to the back room, as a display wall. I will be hanging prints of famous scientists, inventors, programmers, artists, engineers, Nobel laureates, and others on the wall. The first three individuals to be hung (not a pun) will be *Ada Lovelace*, *Alan Turing*, and *Nikola Tesla*. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ada_lovelace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla I will try to add one or two color prints, with or without frame, of notable individuals in science, technology, engineering, mathematics, and art every week. I will also be adding photographs of SH members, supporters, non-members and other assorted guests to the wall on a continuing basis. +1! It would be super cool to have a wall of photographs of our community members with names so others can easily match names only ever seen on a mailing list with real meatspace entities. I invite everybody to contribute to the display wall with prints, photographs, and framed artwork that is appropriate to the philosophy, purpose, and mission of SH. I've got a couple of photographs of the garage that would be pretty neat to include as a kind of timeline. If anybody objects to using the wall for this purpose, please submit your objection n triplicate to me by personal messenger. The text of your complaint must be on plain bond paper, in 12-point Arial type, with citations and links, as necessary. It will be processed by a committee of one and dealt with promptly. Be aware that frivolous claims will result in a two-week stay in total isolation at the Re-education Camp for Recalcitrant
Re: [SH-Discuss] Space Open And Opening Day Work
I'll be there at 6 for some last minute work on the 'magic' general basement tidying. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: I too am available to work today. Will be available after 3pm and can work until 9.45pm. Need to finish the plumbing in the bathrooms. Need to finish the orange painting of items for the rear bathroom. Tomm - can you paint? If yes, the door needs a prime coat on one side and a finish coat on both sides. Also, the exhaust fan grille needs painted. PPP On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Tomm Smith root.pac...@gmail.comwrote: I was curious if anyone was going to open the space today and do some last minute preparations for tomorrows Opening Day? I have some time I could throw in to help with anything left over before completion. Sincerely, Tomm Smith God bless ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] 2014 Open Hours
I'm here every Sunday from Noon to 3 since I got a key and send to discuss if I'm gunna be late, a policy I hope all who hold advertised hours would adopt. On Feb 28, 2014 9:55 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Hi, all. Despite my efforts to convince the community that we never actually closed, most people will think that we're going to open this Saturday. Lets get some open hours scheduled to keep the space open and active during the week. If you're a member who wants to dedicate a few hours of your time to the space each week by keeping it open, being available to show newbies around, and generally enticing everyone else to feel that SYNHAK is a space you can just drop in and find someone to hack with, please let me know! I know we previously had hours and nobody ever said that they had stopped, so consider this a refresher for the year :) Here are the hours I'm planning on scheduling, starting March 3rd: * Tuesday, 6:00 PM - 9:00 PM * Wednesday, 6:00 PM - 9:00 PM * Saturday, 1:00 PM - 6:00 PM If you don't have a key yet but still want to participate, let me know and we can make it happen. I should also note that I will be most readily available for Treasurer things on Tuesdays. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2014-02-25
Would it be possible to have a speaker/workshop on the topic of conflict resolution here? Do we know any group theripist that would do it for free? On the website it could be a trained skill line item like bandsaw, conflict resolution, 3d printer, ... :) On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 4:50 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: Torrie, While I appreciate your input, I don't feel your implied authority argument is valid. I do not see the need to change the proposal at this time. Thanks, Devin Wolfe -- *From:* Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net *To:* SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:28 AM *Subject:* Re: [SH-Discuss] Meeting minutes from 2014-02-25 On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 06:17:31 degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't follow. If you have stated many times, champions do not have authority. Why would anti-authoritarian-type-people have any issue with this what so ever? They would just serve as another member on the committee concerned about the growth of SYNHAK. Technically, they have no authority. Realistically, champions have been called the leaders of SYNHAK, benevolent dictator for life, presidents, directors, and many other titles that imply some kind of authority. Consider also the situation of a champion taking over another officer's job while they're still on the CWG. Suddenly they are on the CWG and have actual powers. Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Grant Money
:-D - go G go! Can I make a copy of the check and frame it with some kind of thank you plaque in the welcome area? Maybe just framing the letter would be in better taste, (i'll bring a frame). On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: That is amazing! Great job G On Monday, February 24, 2014, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 17:34:02 Becca Salchak wrote: That is awesome! Does it have a designated use? The Knight Foundation Donor Advised Fund of Akron Community Foundation awarded your organization a $15,000.00 grant to support the downtown Akron tech and non-tech hacker space. This grant must be used for charitable purposes, and neither Akron Community Foundation nor the fundholder may receive any goods or services in connection with this grant. The letter: http://i.imgur.com/l5Xnoq7.jpg On Feb 24, 2014 5:32 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: I have in my hand, a check from the Akron Community Foundation on behalf of the Knight Foundation for $15,000. It is made out to SYNHAK. I don't even know. Mad props to G. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Electric Work Status
It isn't pvc, it was rnc (cantex), and is used indoors often. In ohio it is not allowed under a list of conditions, we hit the restriction for being a public place that is of an educational nature (paraphrased). On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 22:27:16 Richard Johnson wrote: Also Craig, Can we use your plastic conduit for the wall in the basement with the water leak? Since it's somewhat water proof. As of right now, the NEC doesn't allow indoor use of PVC pipe. I believe its one of those things that will change but you never know when. I have personally used plastic indoors but I knew it wasn't going to be inspected... ;) Yeah, we agreed some time ago that we weren't going to use it for that very reason. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:22 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Firstly I do greatly appreciate your contributions and drive to improve SynHak. While I am sure many members could and have wired things correctly I have also heard, perhaps erroneously, of times when people wired circuits safely but still in a manner not up to code for a building and purpose that we work towards. It's unreasonable to expect someone who doesn't do it for a living to know what is code and what is not. I do not trust all of the wiring people are modifying, I know of at least one incident where the potential for grievous bodily harm was narrowly averted. This was the fault of the previous tenants who cut corners when they removed an outlet they no longer needed but did not bother to remove the live wires, instead opting for simply lopping them off flush with the floor but still exposed. How can we be sure no other conditions like this exist? I have not threatened to call an inspector any of the numerous times I have voiced these concerns. You misunderstand my concern for the safety and liability of SynHak and its members for the will to bankrupt it. On the contrary I want to minimize risk to SynHak and prevent bankruptcy from completely avoidable causes. We have become significantly higher profile since last year, all it takes is following our lists or googling for more information for someone to discover things are not how they should be. The cost of doing things right has been used as a reason before and it's just as faulty now as it was then. Is getting electric installed expensive? Sure! Is it cheaper than getting dropped by our insurance? Absolutely. The consequences of not doing this correctly are too high to not do it. I wasn't commenting on the operation of the panel in the basement, just stating that there was a panel in the basement whose cover was off and I was unsure if it was energized or not. Andy, Just because I call someone an amateur does not mean I think they are unskilled or completely incompetent. It means they don't do it for a living, aren't licensed for such work in the city, and probably don't know every piece of the NEC, which could lead to scenarios where their wiring is safe but not up to code. regards, Andrew L On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: This is exactly why I don't announce to the lists anymore, it's very demotivating after putting in so much time that it damages my professional life, and every cent I have, to have my contribution seen as harmful. We do know a very reasonable electrician, he and his team wired 21 w. North and is still working with us on payment. He could probably could have knocked out 48 for about $5-6k (extremely reasonable) . Unfortunately synhak hasn't't had the ability to pay for anywhere near half of just the supplies needed, besides the 100 hours of volunteered time from members who, like myself, have wired things that passed inspection in the past. Please stop threatening to bankrupt synhak by calling an inspector, it's like threatening to call the police on someone who could you think may have the capacity to harm you at some point in the future. Your point of view isn't falling on deaf ears, there just is no other solution at this time. If you have any alternative please say so. Personally I fear that building is fundamentally unsound and will cave in and kill us all. There is something that is dangerous to people at the space that have not been involved in the buildout, but I would never threaten to call an inspector, because what if we failed the inspection? As for the fuse box that hums for a few secs if you touch it (the one in the basement you mentioned), my priority lately has been upstairs electrical, I'll spend the next volunteer hours I have there wrapping up the basement project instead. On Feb 24, 2014 12:12 PM, Torrie
Re: [SH-Discuss] Electric Work Status
(nm on the pvc - i'm really snippy tonight) I'm not a professional, never been a journeymen, i'm not even an active apprentice anymore. I can say that everyone who has done anything with the electrical system there has done it in a professional manner. Work has been done copying what is known good. When a question has come up it has been asked to others inside and outside the space until it is found (or at least googled). Nobody is staple gunning up extension cords here, or engineering solutions based on what's in front of them. This is why the electrical side of the build out has cost so much, if something was needed it was bought. There are still tasks to complete, and eventually all old wiring could be replaced, but I am thankful there are enough skilled and willing volunteers to be able to handle building a new electrical infrastructure. It was something i thoroughly enjoyed at the last space. What's going in is of a much higher quality than a dated system you would find in a typical leased building (such as ours when we moved in). It's high enough quality you could run a hackerspace on it. :) On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: It isn't pvc, it was rnc (cantex), and is used indoors often. In ohio it is not allowed under a list of conditions, we hit the restriction for being a public place that is of an educational nature (paraphrased). On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Monday, February 24, 2014 22:27:16 Richard Johnson wrote: Also Craig, Can we use your plastic conduit for the wall in the basement with the water leak? Since it's somewhat water proof. As of right now, the NEC doesn't allow indoor use of PVC pipe. I believe its one of those things that will change but you never know when. I have personally used plastic indoors but I knew it wasn't going to be inspected... ;) Yeah, we agreed some time ago that we weren't going to use it for that very reason. On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 8:22 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, Firstly I do greatly appreciate your contributions and drive to improve SynHak. While I am sure many members could and have wired things correctly I have also heard, perhaps erroneously, of times when people wired circuits safely but still in a manner not up to code for a building and purpose that we work towards. It's unreasonable to expect someone who doesn't do it for a living to know what is code and what is not. I do not trust all of the wiring people are modifying, I know of at least one incident where the potential for grievous bodily harm was narrowly averted. This was the fault of the previous tenants who cut corners when they removed an outlet they no longer needed but did not bother to remove the live wires, instead opting for simply lopping them off flush with the floor but still exposed. How can we be sure no other conditions like this exist? I have not threatened to call an inspector any of the numerous times I have voiced these concerns. You misunderstand my concern for the safety and liability of SynHak and its members for the will to bankrupt it. On the contrary I want to minimize risk to SynHak and prevent bankruptcy from completely avoidable causes. We have become significantly higher profile since last year, all it takes is following our lists or googling for more information for someone to discover things are not how they should be. The cost of doing things right has been used as a reason before and it's just as faulty now as it was then. Is getting electric installed expensive? Sure! Is it cheaper than getting dropped by our insurance? Absolutely. The consequences of not doing this correctly are too high to not do it. I wasn't commenting on the operation of the panel in the basement, just stating that there was a panel in the basement whose cover was off and I was unsure if it was energized or not. Andy, Just because I call someone an amateur does not mean I think they are unskilled or completely incompetent. It means they don't do it for a living, aren't licensed for such work in the city, and probably don't know every piece of the NEC, which could lead to scenarios where their wiring is safe but not up to code. regards, Andrew L On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: This is exactly why I don't announce to the lists anymore, it's very demotivating after putting in so much time that it damages my professional life, and every cent I have, to have my contribution seen as harmful. We do know a very reasonable electrician, he and his team wired 21 w. North and is still working with us on payment. He could probably could have knocked out 48 for about $5-6k (extremely reasonable
Re: [SH-Discuss] working at the space tonight
i will be down in a few hours to finish electrical in the palm room, left in a hurry last night so sorry for the mess. On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.comwrote: I will be at the space tonight till 10 pm come on down and help clean / paint / what ever. Lets make this a hacker space! Andy ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] open hours - sun - mon - tue
I am at SynHak every Sunday from noon to 3p. On Feb 15, 2014 12:15 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: If any SH member with a key plans to be at SH on Sunday (8am to 7pm ) or Monday (8am to 9pm) or Tuesday (8am to 6pm), please post the hours in this thread. I can come to SH any or all three days to continue and complete the painting in both bathrooms. Would like to have both bathrooms finished by 6pm on Tuesday, in time for the weekly meeting. If anybody else has painting skills, feel free to join in the fun. PPP ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] friday hours
i'll be at the space at 5 On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Is anybody going to be at SH tonight? If yes, I can come to SH and continue painting. I am available from 5pm to 9.45pm. PPP ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Call for Nominations and Elections Reminder
also in fairness for the sysadmin position, i try to visit MN every year, and plan to be there this October for about 3 weeks (Halloween is better when yer freezing and there may be snow on the ground), and possibly for a week in May around my yearly self-check-in time. I would like to nominate Alex for sysadmin, Although he is still very new to the space to hold an office, and unfamiliar with the systems in place, I believe he could do this with precision excellence. He also may prove to be more reliable for the daily requirements of the sysadmin position than me. Regardless of elections, I intend to continue creating directing the network infrastructure physically located in the basement as a maintainer. I simply want to offer an alternative for titled sheriff that can most likely put in more time. Also, In my opinion, nothing is broken at the moment (considering the move), knowledgeable people have gravitated to their area of expertise, and have made massive advances in the name of SynHak with their donated time. I run on the platform that all is well, just give me a minute, It's being fixed right now Holding this office I imagine it will settle that I will primarily be the person responsible for being a point of contact for all of these issues to the outsider putting them in touch with the maintainer of that facet, and facilitating toe-minding for new projects that touch established ones. Outside of tracking progress of long term projects on the wiki, and helping with whatever falls through the cracks of the maintainers, I have no new ambitions, demands, nor reforms to offer. As I see it, once we move as a group to the level of 'better than 21 w. north the maintainers are whom to look to for innovation. My role would be simply to keep what is already implemented functioning. I accept my nomination (again). On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: I additionally accept my nomination to sysadmin. On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:50 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I accept my nomination. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * a l leit...@gmail.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] Call for Nominations and Elections Reminder * Sent: * Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:24:51 PM I accept my nominations In the interest of fairness and full disclosure I must inform the membership that since I am planning to graduate in August of this year, there is a very real chance I may get a job that requires me to leave Akron. I care a lot about the direction and success of Syn/Hak and would fulfill my duties as long as I could. regards, Andrew L On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.comwrote: Thanks everyone for the activity yesterday on the lists. It's great to see so many people interested in volunteering to help out SYN/HAK. As I mentioned yesterday, I am documenting everything on the following wiki page: https://synhak.org/wiki/2014_Election A quick look at that page shows that I still need an acceptance from the following people: * Andrew Leitholf for positions of Secretary and Board Member * Devin Wolfe for position of Champion * Andrew Buczko for position of Board Member * Matt Stringer for position of Board Member * Craig Bergdorf for position of Sysadmin If anyone of those people would mind informing me on the list as to whether you accept or reject your nomination, that would be great. Additionally, would the secretary please contact me off-list with verification that all members nominated to date are members in good standing? I am invoking my right as a member under Section 8.1 of the Bylaws to inspect membership records for the purposes of verifying that all people nominated for Board or Officer positions are members in good standing and therefore eligible to hold such positions. The following people have either nominated themselves or been nominated by third-parties, and therefore fall under my request for membership status verification: * Craig Bergdorf * Andrew Buczko * Chris Egeland * Torrie Fischer * Justin Herman * Andrew Leitholf * Omar Rassi * Becca Salchak * Gaurav Saxena * Matt Stringer * Devin Wolfe Thanks, Chris On 2/12/2014 6:40 PM, Omar Rassi wrote: I nominate Craig Bergdorf for Synhak Sysadmin On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.comwrote: I accept On Feb 12, 2014 6:22 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com wrote: Ok https://synhak.org/wiki/2014_Election Enjoy. Evidence and everything is there. This is going to be a fun election. I'm sure I missed something, let me know if that's the case. Chris On 2/12/2014 5:27 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 16:31:27 Chris Egeland wrote: In the effort of making things easy
Re: [SH-Discuss] Call for Nominations and Elections Reminder
I would like to respectfully withdraw my bid for position as treasurer and support Torrie for the position. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: I nominate myself for secretary. On Wednesday, February 12, 2014, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 14:56:08 Chris Egeland wrote: I hereby nominate Torrie Fischer for the position of Treasurer. I cheerfully accept! Chris Egeland On 2/12/2014 1:34 PM, Chris Egeland wrote: Hello Hackers, As you may be aware, elections are just a couple of short weeks away. We will hold elections immediately following our regular Tuesday meeting on February 25, 2014. The last day to nominate someone is February 18th, 2014. We currently need people to be nominated (either by self nomination, or through a third party), to the following positions: Secretary (1 position available, 1 total), Sysadmin (1 position available, 1 total), Board Member (4 positions available, 5 total) Keep in mind, all members in good standing are welcome to run for officer or board positions. Just because there are nominations for a position already doesn't mean that you can't nominate yourself or someone else to that position. Feel free to step up to the plate for whichever position you would like. As of this morning, I have evidence that the following nominations have been put forward: Chris Egeland - Champion Omar Rassi - Champion Craig Bergdorf - Treasurer Craig Bergdorf - Board Member If I am missing any nominations that have occurred, please inform me so I may rectify this. If you wish to nominate yourself for any position, please do so quickly. Again, the last day to nominate someone is February 18th, 2014. For reference, the people elected in last year's election for officer and board positions have been as follows: Board: Andrew Leitholf, Dan Swick, Gaurav Saxena, Devin Wolfe, Alexander Golightley Champions: Chris Egeland, Torrie Fischer Treasurer: Alexander Golightley Secretary: Andrew Leitholf Sysadmin: Chris Egeland (Election Results thread on list archives: https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-February/000716.html ) If anyone has any questions about nominations, please feel free to ask. Regards, Chris Egeland ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com peace and love ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Call for Nominations and Elections Reminder
I accept On Feb 12, 2014 6:22 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.com wrote: Ok https://synhak.org/wiki/2014_Election Enjoy. Evidence and everything is there. This is going to be a fun election. I'm sure I missed something, let me know if that's the case. Chris On 2/12/2014 5:27 PM, Torrie Fischer wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 16:31:27 Chris Egeland wrote: In the effort of making things easy to understand, I am going to request if you are nominated by a third party, that you reply to the list in writing whether you accept or decline the nomination. This will prevent us from going into an election with someone saying I didn't want that position WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI WIKI The following people have been nominated by third parties to Officer or Board positions for the upcoming SYN/HAK election. Andrew Leitholf - Secretary Andrew Leitholf - Board Member Gaurav Saxena - Board Member Justin Herman - Board Member Craig Bergdorf - Board Member Devin Wolfe - Champion If your name is on the list above, please respond to this email (responding to the mailing list for public archival purposes) indicating whether you accept or decline your nomination for the position you have been nominated for. Thanks, Chris Egeland On 2/12/2014 4:09 PM, Craig Bergdorf wrote: I would like to respectfully withdraw my bid for position as treasurer and support Torrie for the position. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com mailto:blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: I nominate myself for secretary. On Wednesday, February 12, 2014, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net mailto:tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 14:56:08 Chris Egeland wrote: I hereby nominate Torrie Fischer for the position of Treasurer. I cheerfully accept! Chris Egeland On 2/12/2014 1:34 PM, Chris Egeland wrote: Hello Hackers, As you may be aware, elections are just a couple of short weeks away. We will hold elections immediately following our regular Tuesday meeting on February 25, 2014. The last day to nominate someone is February 18th, 2014. We currently need people to be nominated (either by self nomination, or through a third party), to the following positions: Secretary (1 position available, 1 total), Sysadmin (1 position available, 1 total), Board Member (4 positions available, 5 total) Keep in mind, all members in good standing are welcome to run for officer or board positions. Just because there are nominations for a position already doesn't mean that you can't nominate yourself or someone else to that position. Feel free to step up to the plate for whichever position you would like. As of this morning, I have evidence that the following nominations have been put forward: Chris Egeland - Champion Omar Rassi - Champion Craig Bergdorf - Treasurer Craig Bergdorf - Board Member If I am missing any nominations that have occurred, please inform me so I may rectify this. If you wish to nominate yourself for any position, please do so quickly. Again, the last day to nominate someone is February 18th, 2014. For reference, the people elected in last year's election for officer and board positions have been as follows: Board: Andrew Leitholf, Dan Swick, Gaurav Saxena, Devin Wolfe, Alexander Golightley Champions: Chris Egeland, Torrie Fischer Treasurer: Alexander Golightley Secretary: Andrew Leitholf Sysadmin: Chris Egeland (Election Results thread on list archives: https://synhak.org/pipermail/discuss/2013-February/000716.html) If anyone has any questions about nominations, please feel free to ask. Regards, Chris Egeland ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Hours tonight
I'm in fairlawn and will come there immediately. On Feb 12, 2014 6:27 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: Philip has been outside the space freezing for 30 min. He was told that people were going to be there to let him in. Is any one going to the space? Philip called Steve and I asking us to send this email ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Hours tonight
Is anyone else with a key coming out tonight? I'll be here until someone does, or until 9:40pm On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you Craig Steve will let him know On Feb 12, 2014 6:35 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in fairlawn and will come there immediately. On Feb 12, 2014 6:27 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: Philip has been outside the space freezing for 30 min. He was told that people were going to be there to let him in. Is any one going to the space? Philip called Steve and I asking us to send this email ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] new zoning plan
Today at SynHak 7 members met to compromise on the layout of the space for opening day. They were: Torrie Becca Justin Devin Craig Andy Michael Linked is a pdf of the agreed plan: http://www.calculais.com/syn/2/vista%286%29.pdf Notes: The machine shop is delineated by a shelf on each end, and the billboard plastic hung by metal conduit shower curtain style. Delivered to it is 3 phase power from the basement, single phase from the nearby old panel, and drain pipe. The kitchen receives a 50a power line for the stove, water drain for the sink, and a vent hood for the stove. Justin's storage area remains where proposed earlier. Bicycle parking is immediately behind the garage door. Also in this area are incoming donations to be stored, and garbage bins. The craft / painting area is in both front front office, and a square of the not the perkins room adjacent to it. The EE lab stays where it is now. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Kitchen Supplies
or how about a trip to goodwill for a few more reusable cups, and maybe a frypan or cookie sheet for the new stove. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Can we get mugs, rather than foam cups? Or paper cups if we want disposable. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Michael Griesacker mgriesac...@gmail.com wrote: How about a dustpan? On Feb 6, 2014 11:19 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: Hi, all. Its a new month, and we haven't spent the last $23 of January's maintenence budget. What are some supplies we need to stock up on? I'm planning on picking up: * Foam cups * Kitchen utensils * Rags/Towels * Dish soap ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying to indicate that I have given up on caring about floorplans since any such discussion inevitably ends up pissing me off when I get told how wrong my ideas are without any real logical argument. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman
Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal
I'm here now, but leaving in 30 mins to return around 9 tonight On Feb 6, 2014 4:30 PM, Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com wrote: I can be down at Synhak at like 9 tonight On Feb 6, 2014 4:13 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: I'll happily draw it up as it's being discussed. I am also busy with SparkAK this weekend, what about tonight at 8? If not, then how about Monday? On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com wrote: Right here for #5 On Feb 6, 2014 2:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.com wrote: So, who is going to be #5? Torrie @ 1324 Becca @ 1407 Justin @ 1408 Devin @ 1440 #5 @ ? Good to see that some of the members are interested and motivated to get the new floorplan finalized. On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM, degerov...@yahoo.com degerov...@yahoo.com wrote: I volunteer myself for the committee. Can we meet tomorrow at 7pm at the space? Devin. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Androidhttp://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android -- * From: * Becca Salchak blsalc...@yahoo.com; * To: * SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org; * Subject: * Re: [SH-Discuss] another zoning proposal * Sent: * Thu, Feb 6, 2014 7:07:38 PM Id like to volunteer myself for the committee On Feb 6, 2014 1:24 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 12:31:45 Philip P. Patnode wrote: Torrie is doing what she needs to do in the face of the continuing bickering, deal making, personal agendas, ego-driven land grabs, and the subtle obstructionism shown by some members over the floorplan. In the face of complete chaos and a looming deadline, form a committee. Yes, I am serious. Following the philosophy of action as a do'ocracy, some motivated members should assemble to discuss the floorplan and make a final decision. Five people, with sharp pencils and blank paper, can sketch out a compromise floorplan in under an hour. Add another half hour for coffee and revisions. This is an excellent idea. I think this could also be a wonderful experiment in an improved governance process for the space. Consensus is starting to fall apart. There was recently a large thread on noisebridge-discuss along the very same lines. I will look at their discussion and see what happened. I'm wholly in favor of such a committee producing a floorplan with this limited set of rules: * The floorplan is binding on The Community until March 2nd at 00:00 * No significant modifications may be done to the floorplan after the floorplan is approved without majority approval from the committee members * Any committee member may declare a modification to be significant such that it is required to be approved by the committee * The floorplan shall not include anything that cannot be uninstalled, moved, disassembled, or otherwise modified over a two day weekend after March 3rd without unaminous approval from the committee members * The committee is dissolved on March 2nd at 00:00 * Additions to the committee shall not change without majority approval from the committee members or a Membership proposal * Committee discussion and voting is held on the build@ list * The SYNHAK Secretary is responsible for maintaining the committee membership roster * The roster and any other commitee records are made public to The Membership * Only Active Members in Good Standing are permitted to be a committee member * Committee members may resign at any time, only in writing to the committee After a decision has been made, print out a few copies to work from and start moving stuff into the designated areas. The members will take it from there, knowing that a final floorplan exists. If this doesn't sound like a workable solution, then just keep on bickering and squabbling about where to put things or who gets his way about this or that. Of course, the opening day celebration might have to be moved to August 1st if you keep up the noise level and refuse to cooperate with each other. Reminds me of 4th grade recess out on the parking lot... On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, February 06, 2014 01:41:59 Craig Bergdorf wrote: What if the EE lab and general meeting area were connected again in an L? Having the meeting area being the entire width we could fit the 21 people we had at this weeks meeting. Also with a shrunken machine shop from the first post to the floor drain, a clear shot to load/unload from the garage door including the basement 4x8 sheets to the machine room. The right side of the back 40 is left out, a good classroom and something else could spaciously fit in there. I'm just trying to get 21 unpacked. 2 weeks, 2 days till the soft launch. http://calculais.com/syn/2/5.1.pdf Replying
Re: [SH-Discuss] (no subject)
I should be in about 30 mins On Feb 4, 2014 4:34 PM, Becca Salchak rlsalc...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone down at the space yet ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] sunday hours
Unable to be there at noon today, car trouble that is going to be a while if not all of today, sorry all, happy superbowl. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Running late
I'm running about 20-30 mins late to 48 this morning (due to insufficient plowing here in clinton), ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Foot traffic
There is an organization with employees, computers, accountants, and lawyers, whos objective is receiving someone call when it gets dark asking to be walked to their car? Are you trolling me? On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Since we are now part of downtown Akron we should be able to use the Downtown Akron Partnership safety escorts during their Hours. Also if you see something out of place and the Downtown Ambassadors are not available dont hesitate to call the police Non Emergency 330-375-2490 or Emergency 911. *To request a safety escort:* Contact the duty supervisor by cell phone 330-706-7383. *To request a battery jump:* Call 330-374-7612 or 330-706-7383. *To report a cleaning issue or a non-emergency safety concern:* Call 330-374-7612 or e-mail s...@downtownakron.com. Downtown Akron Partnership Poster: http://www.downtownakron.com/_files/docs/who-to-call.pdf http://www.downtownakron.com/clean-and-safe/ambassadors/who-to-call On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:15 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: It's Akron folks not south central LA. While being aware of your surroundings is sound advice regardless of geographic location the best way to win a fight is not to get in one. If it's late at night and you're alone at the space by all means leave the door locked. All the parking is relatively close and pretty well lit. If you encounter someone and feel uncomfortable just be polite and keep moving. Akron isn't a very violent city. in excellence, Andrew L On Jan 23, 2014 4:25 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: Akron is a bad part of Akron. Hopefully SynHak can make it better. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Jan 22, 2014 5:17 PM, Martin Pinkston martinpinks...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has really taken serious notice of the local foot traffic at Summit yet or not. However, it generally appears to be homeless individuals walking a daily circuit until the shelters open in the evening. Not all homeless are violent; however, I have yet to see any unscrupulous person carrying a sign, warning of the potential for danger. That being said, be aware of your surroundings at all times inside and outside the building. A safe assumption would be everyone of them carries at least a box cutter for self defense. Just my $.02 ...and 21 W. North felt safer or something? Take Care Have fun Always. Martin Pinkston RN ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Status of the network
how did you find them fancy earl's to email threads? On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Chris Egeland ch...@chrisegeland.comwrote: Hey guys, if anyone goes to 21 and hits open/close on the kiosk or checks the webcam, you may find yourself not getting the desired result. That's because I am in the process of moving our space IT infrastructure to the new space and it won't be fully up with Internet for a little bit, likely early to mid next week. For more information, please check the following thread on noc@: https://synhak.org/pipermail/noc/2014-January/93.html Chris Sent from my iPhone ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Foot traffic
I am with Torrie on just leaving the exterior foods on for the moment, we can add a photocell later, were talking about spare change a day, and I'm happy to donate it if it comes up. Our electric bill can survive on what falls out of the mouth of the gas bill for the next month. We have a doorbell, I have a 24v transformer and chime that will arrive shortly (has anyone found (somewhere inside) the wires that connect to the doorbell switch yet?) Peephhole? We happen to have a B.A.C. (Large Camera) ready to go, and I'll be happy to help get it up and running in an accessible way the moment there is no paperclip left at 21, but for the moment I feel there is more left at 21 than most people think, besides 1000 pounds of machinery, details wound into the walls and nailed to the ceiling, in a week everything we leave is gone. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: In the interest of safety, I strongly suggest that nobody is ever alone in the space, day or night. The *buddy system* works for divers, climbers, soldiers, and bar hoppers. Working at SH with at least one other person on the property will increase the level of safety for all involved. It is difficult to punch the 9 and 11 on your cellphone when you have been hit over the head with a 2x4 or you have been mugged and no longer have a cellphone. Also, add a *doorbell* and a *peephole* to the entrance. Do the exterior *lights* on the exterior front wall operate? Are they on a timer or an auto-sensor? Just some thoughts in the interest of everybody's well-being and because I don't like visiting people in the hospital. PPP On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.netwrote: On Thursday, January 23, 2014 16:28:06 Justin Herman wrote: Since we are now part of downtown Akron we should be able to use the Downtown Akron Partnership safety escorts during their Hours. Also if you see something out of place and the Downtown Ambassadors are not available dont hesitate to call the police Non Emergency 330-375-2490 or Emergency 911. *To request a safety escort:* Contact the duty supervisor by cell phone 330-706-7383. *To request a battery jump:* Call 330-374-7612 or 330-706-7383. *To report a cleaning issue or a non-emergency safety concern:* Call 330-374-7612 or e-mail s...@downtownakron.com. Downtown Akron Partnership Poster: http://www.downtownakron.com/_files/docs/who-to-call.pdf I'm making a quick document with these numbers to hang by the front door. I'd also add them to the wiki, but I don't have time at the moment. http://www.downtownakron.com/clean-and-safe/ambassadors/who-to-call On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 4:15 PM, a l leit...@gmail.com wrote: It's Akron folks not south central LA. While being aware of your surroundings is sound advice regardless of geographic location the best way to win a fight is not to get in one. If it's late at night and you're alone at the space by all means leave the door locked. All the parking is relatively close and pretty well lit. If you encounter someone and feel uncomfortable just be polite and keep moving. Akron isn't a very violent city. in excellence, Andrew L On Jan 23, 2014 4:25 AM, Andrew Buczko a4s...@dsprototyping.com wrote: Akron is a bad part of Akron. Hopefully SynHak can make it better. On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Torrie Fischer tdfisc...@hackerbots.net wrote: On Jan 22, 2014 5:17 PM, Martin Pinkston martinpinks...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has really taken serious notice of the local foot traffic at Summit yet or not. However, it generally appears to be homeless individuals walking a daily circuit until the shelters open in the evening. Not all homeless are violent; however, I have yet to see any unscrupulous person carrying a sign, warning of the potential for danger. That being said, be aware of your surroundings at all times inside and outside the building. A safe assumption would be everyone of them carries at least a box cutter for self defense. Just my $.02 ...and 21 W. North felt safer or something? Take Care Have fun Always. Martin Pinkston RN ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] The last weekend of moving
I just want to remind everyone, ate today: tons of problems in the world, have not ate today: one problem (get food). We have one week to finish moving, I feel compelled to mention that at the end of next week anything we leave in the fridge will most likely be lost when we relinquish the space forever to it's owner next Friday. Most (including myself) are only available on the weekends, this weekend is the last we get. There isn't a huge amout left, but it is far too much for a few to handle. One more assembly and we can move the space for good to our new location. This is the last push, and there is a lot left. As with last week, I will be there on point Sunday at noon, Who has Saturday? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Anyone around?
Any plans of anyone to come out today? More could be done if I didn't have to lock/unlock each space each trip. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Do not hack area in the new space.
Among lots of stuff, The server/do not hack area was moved to the basement of the new area today (Thanks Martin and Devin). (Member storage toolboxes, the heavier of the two bookshelves stayed upstairs if anyone is looking.) I hope to wait for the internet cutover date to move the border equipment / everything that's plugged in. I saw the webcam running a lot today. I'll be making a stand, and setting up a larger version of the area at 21 for a member storage / dnh area. I am mentioning it in case anyone has something that they want in a quieter place that may not be installed for a while. I intend to setup some shelving on the wall but there is still plenty of room on the ledge. See everyone Tuesday. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] rental truck
We? Phillip: Thank you for finding out all the details and offering a solution. I agree with others that a pickup is probably sufficient for all that's left with multiple trips. The 3d printer cart included, everything left needs two people to move unless disasembled. Justin: A flat trailer would 3x the capacity per trip if you can tow it, just a matter of when a few people willing to move stuff can be there at once during daylight. Sunday? As far as I know, the only items that are left that would require trucking would be: - Desks (2) - Mill (almost certainly needs a dedicated run and a good-sized pickup truck. Probably gonna need a hoist of some sort too) - Lathe (this and the mill are gonna be handled by Devin, AFAIK) - Wood carrier (was behind the pinball machine) - Welcome bar - Kitchen table (debatable, we might be able to fit it in Torrie's Honda Fit if we pull the legs off) - 3D Printer Cart (would be convenient, but could be disassembled and brought over with the Fit) - Futon? Is that even still there? - Sewing table - One or two more benches I'd bet we could probably knock most of this out with maybe 5-8 trips tops. If someone wants to let us borrow a pickup, we can definitely take care of this on Tuesday. Also, this list is entirely from memory, and I don't know what you guys got out of the space last night. So, if I'm mentioning something that you know is at 48, then disregard that item in my list. Chris On 1/20/2014 12:37 PM, Justin Herman wrote: What is large that needs to be moved? Maybe a flatbed trailer might work better? (If so I can tow it) Rental can be done from U-haul for 20$ a day. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Many items have already been moved from 21 W. North, a 24' is not necessary at this time. If we do need a box truck, by selecting a day between Sunday and Thursday, we'll get 25% off of $30 per day $0.79 per mile 16' truck from the Budget rental place on W. Market street. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Decision Makers at SH, Just received the quote from Penske Truck Rental for the rental of a 24/26ft truck later this week. It will cost *$67.99* for the ONE DAY rental charge, but SH can use the truck from Friday at 3pm to 8.30am on Monday. The deposit will be $150 in cash or by a temp charge to a credit card. The mileage charge will be *$0.79* per mile. The request for a lift gate is not a sure thing, since the trucks are allocated on a first come/first served basis. Both the rental charge and the mileage charge reflect a* 20% discount*off of normal rates. Again, I will be happy to donate my time as the designated driver on all three days, unless someone else at SH insists on driving the truck. There can be only one driver on the rental contract because of the insurance restrictions. PPP On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 8:33 PM, Philip P. Patnode ppatn...@gmail.comwrote: Anybody at SH who can make a decision about a rental truck - If a rental truck is necessary to complete the move from 21 to 48, I will be happy to send a firm quote tomorrow for a 24ft truck for use next weekend. The truck can picked up on Friday afternoon, used on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, with a return to the lot not later than 8.30am on Monday morning. The rental charge will be for ONE DAY! I will be happy to donate my time as the designated driver on all three days, unless someone else at SH just can't resist the joy of operating a big truck for a few days. As an active customer of Penske Truck Rental services, I will be happy to pass on my discount to SH. A deposit will be necessary - either in cash or with a credit/debit card. Someone, with the ability to make a decision for SH, should consider this offer and get back to me promptly. PPP ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing listDiscuss@synhak.orghttps://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] This weekend
This weekend the potential for drama is full. There is a lot to be done and most people want it to be done in different ways. I really hope this weekend we can all remain flexible as such, productive. Something going in the wrong spot is still something that isn't at 21 anymore. It can (and most likely will) be moved later. If we can all try to understand each others perspectives and not present anything as my way or eff-you (however wrong it is), it is something that is off the staggeringly long list and can be improved later. We are a group without a dictator, czar, or foreman, bound only by excellence, and this is a design I am proud to be a part of. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] Thermostat program.
But then when the kiosk goes down we also have no heat. Maybe an arduino with a temp sensor and a serial line coming out to the kiosk as an intermediary with buttons for heat yes (60ish) and heat no. On Jan 14, 2014 7:36 AM, Justin Herman just...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea On Tuesday, January 14, 2014, Martin Pinkston wrote: Why not just tie in the thermostat to the kiosk. When open. The temp comes up, when closed, it goes down to minimum. Take Care Have fun Always. Martin Pinkston RN ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Key to 21 w north?
Is there a key to the deadbolt of 21 w north? It's locked, and there are no cars in the lot. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Nevermind - sorry
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Re: [SH-Discuss] Scale Drawing of the new space
sketchup? minecraft? TF2! come to irc so I may chat with you. On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:42 AM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Cool. And yes that is exactly what I was thinking, will have to take a look and see what else I'll need if any. Is there a format I can save for everyone to view or do they have a viewer, for the revit format? Want it as easily accessible to everyone as possible. --- Original Message --- From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com Sent: January 7, 2014 3:38 AM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: Re: [SH-Discuss] Scale Drawing of the new space Everything that was measured is in there, (other than the toilet), Thanks to Devin and Tiki for help measuring. If your thinking 3d model of the space, that would be wonderful. Most of the recorded measurements are in the draft drawing (and at least 7 sheets of paper with conflicting numbers). On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Steve Radonich IV nesfr...@outlook.comwrote: Can't wait to take a look at this. Do you have more measurements written down? I have a legit copy of Autodesk Revit 2008 that I'd love to put to use. --- Original Message --- From: Craig Bergdorf mm1...@gmail.com Sent: January 7, 2014 2:52 AM To: SYN/HAK discussion list discuss@synhak.org Subject: [SH-Discuss] Scale Drawing of the new space Resent due to not being able to attach the file, so here it is: http://calculais.com/syn/jan_syn.zip Attached (hopefully) is a zip of various formats of a rough scale drawing of the new space. I haven't had any time lately, so... sorry, but hey it beats pen on napkin right? It should make routing wires and pipes much easier too. :a few notes: The measurements aren't perfect, and corners were cut for things to line up without having to pay attention to wall thickness and various wall angles (the basement is slightly narrower at one end irl). It's a bit sloppy, but everything is within an inch or three. Files: Native format is .des (Designer after Corel ruined the series) The pdf files are formatted for a single page for easy printing/clipboard attaching/writing on/angrily pointing at while talking to others. It is drawn in 1 to 1' scale (not by choice) ,but there is a 1' cal box in the top right if it's an issue. New version: (not important) I'm sick of having to run my ol' trusty program in an XP VM, so i'm learning a 10-year newer version, and it kinda sucks i'm still learning where everything was moved to. Drawings are over simplified (no sinks, waterheater, layers, gradients, etc), but if I don't send this out right now I may actually do it right, and deliver sometime in June when nobody needs it anymore. With the 1 to 1' scale, in syncalled, some are actual inches, some are 12/1, again - must be emailed now. Also on syncalled, they are what the program saw after lining stuff up, not as measured, so when designing, just round down and add an inch or two for jello (there's always room) Also: Blue is a doorway, and the number inside of it is the max width that can go through it, including removing trim where possible. If you want another format, or a sandwich, let me know, 3 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[SH-Discuss] Scale Drawing of the new space
Resent due to not being able to attach the file, so here it is: http://calculais.com/syn/jan_syn.zip Attached (hopefully) is a zip of various formats of a rough scale drawing of the new space. I haven't had any time lately, so... sorry, but hey it beats pen on napkin right? It should make routing wires and pipes much easier too. :a few notes: The measurements aren't perfect, and corners were cut for things to line up without having to pay attention to wall thickness and various wall angles (the basement is slightly narrower at one end irl). It's a bit sloppy, but everything is within an inch or three. Files: Native format is .des (Designer after Corel ruined the series) The pdf files are formatted for a single page for easy printing/clipboard attaching/writing on/angrily pointing at while talking to others. It is drawn in 1 to 1' scale (not by choice) ,but there is a 1' cal box in the top right if it's an issue. New version: (not important) I'm sick of having to run my ol' trusty program in an XP VM, so i'm learning a 10-year newer version, and it kinda sucks i'm still learning where everything was moved to. Drawings are over simplified (no sinks, waterheater, layers, gradients, etc), but if I don't send this out right now I may actually do it right, and deliver sometime in June when nobody needs it anymore. With the 1 to 1' scale, in syncalled, some are actual inches, some are 12/1, again - must be emailed now. Also on syncalled, they are what the program saw after lining stuff up, not as measured, so when designing, just round down and add an inch or two for jello (there's always room) Also: Blue is a doorway, and the number inside of it is the max width that can go through it, including removing trim where possible. If you want another format, or a sandwich, let me know, 3 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] moving day???
I take a 2 week sabbatical and I feel out of the loop too, is there a wiki page / timeline somewhere? What is the next step? a meeting was brought up new years eve, but there was approximately 0 interest, even a bit of opposition. When can I have a server using 3ϕ power to do something; What time/day general 3-day period (for initial jobs at the new space) should everyone schedule time to help the space move? When does the lease begin? On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Omar Rassi omar.ra...@gmail.com wrote: I was reminded of the idea that we're moving very soon, anyone involved with this have an idea on the date range/deadline of this move? I would like to help if it doesn't fall on my drill weekend. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [SH-Discuss] New Years Eve!
Besides some kinda bread I'm bringing a fancy dtv tuner for background ball viewing, anyone have an antenna they could bring? Also, I assume were out of kerosene (which I can get), what about water, propane? What else? I'm aiming to be there around 4 or dusk at the latest. On Dec 31, 2013 12:23 PM, Bethany Munyan beth.mun...@gmail.com wrote: Awesome! And only if you want to, I know Becca is bringing cupcakes, and Craig said he was bringing some snacks, what it was I can't remember right now. I brought in some soda last night and that is already there. If you have cards against humanity that would be awesome but if not, it is available online. Chris made me want to play it again! On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:02 PM, alex kot alexk...@yahoo.com wrote: I am also game, you need me to bring anything like snanks/food? On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:01 PM, Bethany Munyan beth.mun...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all! I just wanted to remind everyone that tonight Steve, Becca, Craig and I will be hanging out at the space tonight to bring in the new year. You are all more than welcome to come! If I don't see you tonight, see you next year!!! -Beth ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@synhak.org https://synhak.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
