Outreachy intern dumps Debian, $200,000 wasted

[Debian Community News Team]

Only one Outreachy intern ever became a Debian Developer (DD) and she
quit in July


https://debian.community/ulrike-uhlig-20-dollar-woman-quit/


Debian spent $200,000 on Outreachy and what are the results?


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Chris Lamb (Debian Leader) trafficked an Albanian woman with diversity money

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This is the everyday people trafficking that corporate money from Google
pays for


https://debian.community/chris-lamb-debian-outreachy-favoritism-perceptions/

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GSoC mentor/student relationships made public

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Given all the false accusations and rumors about who had relationships
with students, it is inevitable that the identities of the real culprits
would eventually appear.  We can't stand by watching the false
accusations about volunteers who always do the right thing.


Lucas Kanashiro (Ubuntu employee) and a student:
https://debian.community/lucas-kanashiro-ubuntu-canonical-debconf-gsoc-intern-relationship/


Pranav Jain and his brother:
https://debian.community/pranav-jain-debian-debconf-rent-boy-rumors/


Jaminy: who keeps inviting this woman and paying for her travel?
https://debian.community/jaminy-prabaharan-debian-gsoc-admin-who-failed-gsoc/

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Re: Debian GSoC relationship clarified

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On 23/06/2021 23:54, aristo...@tutanota.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Jun 23, 2021, 20:07 by team@debian.community:
> 
> 
> Now the truth is available
> 
> There nothing unacceptable with anyone have romantic relationship anytime.

In a mentoring, management or custodial relationship it is unacceptable
for a free software organization to shag the interns

https://debian.community/lucas-kanashiro-ubuntu-canonical-debconf-gsoc-intern-relationship/
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Debian GSoC relationship clarified

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There are many false and malicious accusations about a relationship
between a mentor and a woman in Google Summer of Code

Now the truth is available

https://debian.community/lucas-kanashiro-ubuntu-canonical-debconf-gsoc-intern-relationship/
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Magdalen makes a Zombie of Molly

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Magdalen Berns throws a knockout punch from the grave with her rendition
of Zombie.

https://twitter.com/mmillions/status/1407001328379965449

Molly de Blanc wrote:

> Okay I am now unemployed for real.
> What are your favorite free or cheap NYC activities?


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Re: Daniel Pocock with young Albanian women

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On 12/06/2021 16:05, aristo...@tutanota.com wrote:
> Daniel Pocock VK3TQR prepares trafficking young Albanian women he loves
> so much.
> This incredible picture comes from Albania.
> https://danielpocock.com/assets/img/slider/oscal-ham-radio.jpg
> This picture captures the happy dandy with a bunch of women at least ten
> years younger.


That is a ham radio demonstration.  The head of Kosovo's amateur radio
society is also a woman.

It is not really comparable to the photo of an intoxicated Matthias
Kirschner who appears to be unable to look straight at the camera

http://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-people-trafficking-coercion-volunteers/

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Re: How German men see women, Galia Mancheva and Albanian whores

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On 09/06/2021 01:06, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 09, 2021 at 12:56:50AM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
> 
>> The blackmail of Dr Norbert Preining and other cult phenomena are
>> examples of people trafficking and modern slavery.
> 
> No, they really are not. The comparison is disgusting.


Dr Preining spent many years packaging LaTeX without any payment from
Debian or the people who use it

Christmas 2018, he was removed from the Debian keyring: punished from
doing the work that he was not paid for

A few months later, he writes a forced confession

Then he can continue to work without any payment from Debian

Something odd about all that

The US State Department writes about it here:

https://www.state.gov/what-is-modern-slavery/

"psychological coercion, abuse of the legal process, deception, or other
coercive means to compel someone to work" - sounds a lot like the Debian
demotions blackmail, doesn't it?

"Once a person’s labor is exploited by such means, the person’s prior
consent to work for an employer is legally irrelevant: the employer is a
trafficker and the employee a trafficking victim."
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Re: How German men see women, Galia Mancheva and Albanian whores

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On 09/06/2021 00:44, aristo...@tutanota.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Jun 8, 2021, 19:23 by team@debian.community:
> 
> "aristocat" does not use a name.
> 
> 
> Is "Debian Community News Team" a name? No it is a lie.
> 
> When you look at all the messages from
> "aristocat" together,
> 
> a) it is obvious they come from a member of the FSFE General Assembly
> 
> 
> Lie.
> 
> b) the author of those messages has contempt for women
> 
> 
> Lie.
> 
> You made Albanian girls sitting in cafe whore. You associate them with
> sex trafficking.

People trafficking is a general term, it is not always about physical
trafficking.

The blackmail of Dr Norbert Preining and other cult phenomena are
examples of people trafficking and modern slavery.  You will not find Dr
Preining for sale in the FKK club, nonetheless, he has definitely been
trafficked by the Debian Account Managers and the Community Team (Debian
equivalent of the Stasi).

Some people feel Scientology has more in common with people trafficking
than it has in common with any serious religion

Then again, a German bishop just resigned this week after statistics
showed the Catholic Church trafficked thousands of boys.

We now see that at least one Albanian woman has been paid to work on
DebConf (the Outreachy in the back of the photo with Kirschner) while
other women in Kosovo are not being paid anything.  Is that fair?
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Re: How German men see women, Galia Mancheva and Albanian whores

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On 08/06/2021 21:28, Alexander Dahl wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> throwing all German men in the same bin, is an affront against a very
> big group of people.  Your hostility against that group is full of
> prejudice and not acceptable at all.  Stop it.  It does not help you,
> nor the women you pretent to speak for, nor the Free Software
> community at all.  It seems you became obsessive in a personal witch
> hunt.  I strongly suggest, you take a break, step back and try to see
> what you're doing to yourself and other people.

You are correct and we sincerely apologize for the generalization
"German men".  It will not be used again.  Wir sprechen ein bischen
Deutsch, A1

Not all women are the same.  Not all men are the same.  Not all Germans
are the same.

Nonetheless, there appears to be something about German society that
allows a group of men, Matthias Kirschner and Florian Snow, to form a
pack like dogs.  We see this behavior, a pack of dogs, in the minutes of
the FSFE General Assembly.

There are probably many men in Germany who do not support dog pack behavior.

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Re: How German men see women, Galia Mancheva and Albanian whores

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On 08/06/2021 21:08, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:

> I'd drop the personal criticisms about Kirschner concerning women. I
> wouldn't mention whoring FSFE men unless you had evidence against them.


See the messages from "aristocat" today.  That is the evidence.

"aristocat" does not use a name.  When you look at all the messages from
"aristocat" together,

a) it is obvious they come from a member of the FSFE General Assembly

b) the author of those messages has contempt for women

These are facts.  Any defender of Freedom would be delighted to discuss
the "aristocat" emails in a court of law.


Matthias Kirschner cancelled elections.  Kirschner does not let
volunteers vote because he is a coward and he might lose.

Matthias Kirschner will not start any law suit because he is a coward
and he might lose.

Matthias Kirschner sacked all the women in his office... because he is a
coward

Do you notice the pattern?
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Re: How German men see women, Galia Mancheva and Albanian whores

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On 08/06/2021 20:46, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:

> 
> What do you want this discussion list to be about? Topics such as FSFE's
> Kirschner, whether or not he's cheating on his wife, FSFE, Artemis and
> prostitutes and so on - are going to taint the reputation and
> credibility of your attempts to foster serious, constructive, and
> valuable discussion on the Free Software Movement. 


Software Freedom is about human dignity in the face of technology

We have to remember that Software Freedom is not everything: the dignity
of women is a bigger issue than the dignity of people who own computers.

The comments from "aristocat" (FSFE) today are an affront to the dignity
of women.

We also have to remember that the attempts to exploit women and reduce
them to a naked commodity are comparable to the efforts to reduce
developers and our intellectual property to a commodity, such as the
REUSE campaign from FSFE.
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How German men see women, Galia Mancheva and Albanian whores

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Artemis[1] is one of Europe's largest brothels.

It is in Berlin, not so far from FSFE high command.

In most brothels, the women wear a nightie or bikini

In German FKK clubs[2], like Artemis, women wear nothing.  This is the
worst place to be a woman.

When the FSFE men arrive, they want to see everything before they choose
a woman.  FKK clubs, prostitutes without the dignity of a bikini: "open
source" women.

They don't want to speak to the woman, they don't want to listen to the
woman.  German men, FSFE men, judge women by looking at their naked tits
and their naked pussy.

That is what Artemis, FKK and FSFE is all about.

When German FSFE men are lecturing Europe about "Freedom", they are
talking about a form of freedom where MEN have all the Freedom and women
have no freedom, no employment contract, no clothes.

The FSFE coin toss.  Heads: men win.  Tails: women lose.

The recent emails from "aristocat", comments about Albanian whores,
clearly come from the FSFE high command employees or a German man in the
FSFE General Assembly.



1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemis_(brothel)

2. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26261221
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Re: FSFE's Kirschner intoxicated with Albanian women

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On 08/06/2021 10:25, aristo...@tutanota.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Jun 7, 2021, 21:24 by team@debian.community:
> 
> 
> For those who missed this photo over the weekend...
> 
> 
> http://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-people-trafficking-cheating-on-wife/
> 
> 
> mother is Albanian whore.

Your choice of words accurately reflects the FSFE attitude to women

Albanian whores do more work than anybody at FSFE
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Re: FSFE's Kirschner intoxicated with Albanian women

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Garrett & Co send 1,000s of emails with rape accusations and no evidence.

The photo of Kirschner is what evidence looks like.

Debian and FSFE both authorize and encourage dirt campaigns, that is why
they have debian-private and the FSFE GA mailing lists.


On 08/06/2021 08:47, T. Schilde - Firetech Consulting wrote:
> What kind of absurd dirt campaign is that? Does anyone have a personal
> problem with him?
> 
> kind regards
> 
> Thoralf
> 
> 
> Am 08.06.21 um 03:20 schrieb Matthew Garrett:
>> On Mon, Jun 07, 2021 at 11:24:27PM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>> For those who missed this photo over the weekend...
>>>
>>> http://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-people-trafficking-cheating-on-wife/
>>>
>>> Anybody want to start an FSFE Open Letter for Kirschner's resignation?
>> Daniel, your continued use of the Fellowship blog when you have no role 
>> with the organisation whatsoever is inappropriate. Please desist, and 
>> keep this to your personal blog.
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FSFE's Kirschner intoxicated with Albanian women

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For those who missed this photo over the weekend...

http://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-people-trafficking-cheating-on-wife/

Anybody want to start an FSFE Open Letter for Kirschner's resignation?
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Re: Elections

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On 06/06/2021 20:26, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
> Matthew Garrett  writes:
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 12:18:46PM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>>> Matthew Garrett  writes:
>>>
 On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 08:36:27PM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
> Matthew Garrett  writes:
>> I can - Jake raped or sexually assaulted several people I know. No 
>> social benefit can be used to justify that.
>
> I can't because I have no evidence.  The evidence you present is not
> convincing to me.

 If I've seen evidence that's convincing to me, what is the appropriate 
 way for me to describe Jake?
>>>
>>> The way you do it is appropriate for you.  How can I know what is
>>> appropriate for you?  Perhaps you meant to ask something else.
>>
>> So there's nothing wrong with me calling Jake a rapist if I've seen 
>> evidence that convinces me that he's a rapist?
> 
> There is no problem for me.  It is just false until proven.  Perhaps it
> could be a problem for you, if the involved parties take legal action.
> I doubt they would.  It would hamper the positions of both sides even
> more.  It serves neither side attacking the other side, either with real
> actions or just opinions and gossip.  The only constructive effort would
> be to do something concrete in favour of the side you are on.  Calling
> Jake a rapist does not do anything constructive, besides to discuss what
> policies do go or bad for ourselves and for our communities.

If Garrett and his Debian buddies were in that group watching an alleged
rape, why did they just watch it without trying to stop it?
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Re: Elections

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On 04/06/2021 11:19, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 04, 2021 at 12:20:02AM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
> 
>> Does anybody have photos of Garrett?
> 
> Have you tried Google Image Search? Also, could you please respond to my 
> emails asking you for access to the blog?


Too busy laughing at the pictures of FSFE President Matthias Kirschner
intoxicated with undergraduate women in a developing country
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Re: Elections

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On 04/06/2021 00:03, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi!
>  
> 
> > Yes, it's the puppeteers who we need to focus on in devising
> strategies to
> > move forward, not the puppets.
> 
> I absolutely agree!
> Also, not that I have a voice, but I do not recommend giving Garrett 
> blog access. Just my 2 cents.
> 
> 
> Don't know enough about Garrett to comment. I'm sure the Debian
> Community News team will know how best to deal with the matter!

Does anybody have photos of Garrett?

This amazing photo of Kirschner has just appeared

http://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-people-trafficking-cheating-on-wife/
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Re: Elections

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On 22/05/2021 21:17, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:
> 
> Danny,
>  
> 
> The obsession with Molly as the alleged root cause of the movement's
> decline also seems quite desperate.
> 
> 
> Who is obsessed with Molly? We are concerned with proxies for corporate
> vultures, not Molly per se. 
> 
> > Also, it seems to me that unlike many large, widespread, and
> popular
> > social movements with millions of people making history, the Free
> > Software cause is like a small secret club with a few dozen
> individuals
> > struggling to be relevant or useful. Am I wrong?
> 
> That is what Molly is trying to achieve, yes
> 
> Through her complete lack of relevance and ability as a developer
> 
> 
> I'm not against anyone without coding ability contributing to the
> Community. In fact, we don't have enough of a contribution from those
> who have complementary skills. Those who, for example, can help us
> organise and manage the administrative demands of producing and
> distributing software. Such skills are often outside the mindset of
> hackers/engineers. Molly made significant administrative contributions
> to Libre Planet.
> 
> I do, however, object to anyone using their "contributions' as a
> platform to launch false and malicious attacks claiming to represent
> women who do code. 

At Debian Community News, we also recognize the immense contributions
from many people who do not code

We thank Molly for the occasions where she made positive contributions

Nonetheless, these contributions do not give anybody the right to make a
Gemlich letter a.k.a. RMS Open Letter

We recognize the possibility that Molly was not acting alone and she was
manipulated or used as a stooge to create the Gemlich letter 2.0


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Re: Elections

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On 22/05/2021 20:15, Danny Spitzberg wrote:
> Case in point, the "Debian Community News Team" email account is run by
> one person writing in what seems like their personal capacity and
> without community input, and the vast majority of messages on this list
> are from that person, Adrienne, Daniel, and aristocat. The obsession
> with Molly as the alleged root cause of the movement's decline also
> seems quite desperate.


When people talk about "enforcing" the Code of Conduct, they are talking
about a dictator making a ruling on a whim.  Volunteer A can live,
Volunteer B can die.

There is no evidence, no trial, just personal vendettas.

In terms of character assassination, this is the mentality of the Holocaust

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Re: Elections

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On 22/05/2021 20:06, Danny Spitzberg wrote:
> Whooopps! Sorry, Adrienne, according Godwin's Law
>  you automatically lost
> the argument : (

As the Wikipedia article explains, outright comparisons to Hitler are
often nonsense but comparing specific behaviors is quite valid.


> Also, it seems to me that unlike many large, widespread, and popular
> social movements with millions of people making history, the Free
> Software cause is like a small secret club with a few dozen individuals
> struggling to be relevant or useful. Am I wrong?

That is what Molly is trying to achieve, yes

Through her complete lack of relevance and ability as a developer, she
brings everybody down with her

To quote Molly's Github profile, "I can't code but I have blue hair"
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Re: Elections

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On 22/05/2021 18:42, Adrienne G. Thompson wrote:
>  
> 
> The Debian vote about Dr Stallman had all the negativity of an
> expulsion.
> 
> 
> The corporate-backed Debianites appear to have fomented yet another
> schism in the free software community. We already have the "Free
> Software" and "Open Source" camps. What will this one be called? Nothing
> but the beheading of the Free Software community will Mollify them.
> :-)


One of the disturbing things about this is that we see British and
American people (e.g. Chris Lamb and his girlfriend Molly de Blanc)
behaving like Adolf Hitler and his Nazi party.

Compare de Blanc's "RMS Open Letter" to the text of Hitler's first piece
of antisemitic prose, the Gemlich letter from 1919.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemlich_letter

RMS is of Jewish descent.

Molly de Blanc is the new Adolf Hitler

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billing Molly for wasted developer time?

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Does anybody keep track of how much time they lose on Molly de Blanc's
games over the years?

Can we vote to make her pay the bill?
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Re: On the event of March 23, 2021

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On 31/03/2021 18:29, Tadeus Prastowo wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I wish someone had circulated this news in this censor-proof
> mailing list.
> 
> Richard M. Stallman, the founder of the free software movement,
> has been back at the FSF as one of the members of the board of
> directors!  See https://www.fsf.org/about/staff-and-board.
> 
> Then, on March 23, 2021, the following two petitions were
> created and have been collecting signatures since:
> 
> https://rms-open-letter.github.io is a petition to remove Richard
> M. Stallman from all leadership positions.
> 
> https://rms-support-letter.github.io is a petition to keep
> Richard M. Stallman in the FSF's board of directors.

You can petition the police to arrest Molly for cyberbullying:

https://debian.community/molly-de-blanc-arrest-and-prosecution-for-cyberbullying/

and you can petition Github to ban Molly the cyberbully:

https://support.github.com/contact
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Re: Daniel Pocock censored at Techrights by its administrator

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On 21/03/2021 21:59, faif...@tutanota.com wrote:
>> It is puzzling that you write to a list of trolls and hyenas,
> expecting to be listened to.
> 
> Quiliro (and forgive my inability to reply to your post with proper
> threading, I don't have your post in my email to reply to. Don't worry
> about it) you seem like an alright guy, Riseup and also FSFLA I think--
> but you also miss the point.
> 
> I have already been listened to. As already stated, the point was to let
> this news reach Mr. Pocock. If you see his reply, I have already
> achieved my goal. Thus questioning the effectiveness of my tack is a bit
> moot.

Do all Techrights readers know that these articles are now being suppressed?

Do you have any ideas to help people see all relevant articles going
forward?

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Re: Daniel Pocock censored at Techrights by its administrator

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On 21/03/2021 18:10, MJ Ray wrote:
> 
> 
> Le 21 mars 2021 10:12:38 GMT+00:00, faif...@tutanota.com a écrit :
>> Personally, I think what's happening at Techrights is a farce. They're 
>> bowing to censors and will probably reverse the decision several times. But 
>> if they don't, you should know the following:
>>
>> Even the person asking for him to be censored admits Pocock has posted 
>> useful information about the FSFE.
>> 2. Techrights and their readership directly benefited from that information.
>>
>> 3. Techrights does not technically HAVE TO censor in this way, but it's 
>> becoming a point of friction which their web host. 
> 
> Only point 3 is evidenced by your post and, as others post, this is not 
> censorship even if is a sort of interference with editorial policy.
> 
> Censorship would be taking the original site down.
> 
> Compare: is it censorship if a TV network does not continue buying and 
> broadcasting some bought-in show?

These vigorous efforts to censor concern the article about Jonathan
Wiltshire in the Debian Account Managers team, his physical proximity to
GCHQ and his employer receiving British government contracts.

https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/

http://techrights.org/2020/10/26/jonathan-wiltshire-gchq-theory/

The image:
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmereN1pANAgeiwPZiADehPsNKwrye4qpFB8YhTLqcGNDQ

If many people replicate the image using IPFS and post it on other web
sites, it will remove the pressure on specific sites like Techrights

https://ipfs.io/


> defending someone i know to be a rapist

If accusers are so certain that Jacob Appelbaum is a rapist, why do they
spend so much time trying to censor web sites but in four years, not one
accuser had time to visit a police station and file a report?

Everybody is innocent until proven guilty.  Even the GCHQ agents.

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Re: feminism is as bad as machism

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On 20/01/2021 22:18, Danny Spitzberg wrote:
> "she advocates for tyrants to assassinate anybody who doesn't agree"
> 
> Is this like when there was a plot to assassinate RMS? An actual
> contract killer?

According to le Blanc's FrOSCon talk, she doesn't have money to pay
contracts and the people who perform them.

It is metaphorical assassins and character assassins for now
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Re: feminism is as bad as machism

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On 20/01/2021 18:37, Danny Spitzberg wrote:
> What... what is going on here

de Blanc says one thing and does something different


http://deblanc.net/blog/2021/01/12/1028-words-on-free-software/


Or she says one thing at FOSDEM and then she writes something different
in her blog

"The job of the free software movement is to demonstrate that this world
is possible by living its values now: justice, equity, equality."

but she advocates for tyrants to assassinate anybody who doesn't agree
with her.

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Fwd: MICROSOFT CONTRACT (French Minister of Defense)

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 Forwarded Message 
Subject:MICROSOFT CONTRACT (French Minister of Defense)
Date:   Thu, 26 Oct 2017 21:36:00 +0200
From:   Alexis Fitzjean O Cobhthaigh 
To: t...@lists.fsfe.org, fra...@lists.fsfe.org



Dear all,

Thank you very much for the copy of the contract you sent me. It's very
enlightening. At Hugo's invitation I'm directly reaching out to you.

Here is what i think :

1) We should file a request to the CADA as soon as possible to try to
get the obliterated parts of the contract.

We should go fast on this one. It's pretty easy and I'll do it /pro
bono/. I'm not sure it would be very usefull, but it worth a try. This
should be filed within two months from the reception of the answer of
the ministry (could you confirm the date ?)

2) I think we'll have to file a case before the administrative tribunal
of Paris (_before monday october 30_).

There are two hazards :

- the first one is about the completion of the appropriate advertising
measures, in particular by means of a notice stating both the conclusion
of the contract and the provisions of its consultation in compliance
with the confidentiality protected by law. For now, I didn't see any of
those measures completed but it's possible I missed something. And, as
you know from my precedent message, the appeal must be exercised within
two months from the completion of thoses measures. As I didn't see any
of those measures completed, I think we would be ok, but I'm not 100 %
sure.

But, there might be a problem. As FSFE officialy asked the documents on
august 27, it would be possible that the minister claim that FSFE knew
about this contract, at least, on august 27 and therefor that FSFE
should have filed the suits within two months from this date. I'm not
sure the judge would agree on that but it's definitly what I would have
advise if I have been their legal counsel._*So, I think that to avoid
any risk, it's very important that the suit should be filed this monday
october 30 at the latest*_. I'm really sorry to tell you that only now,
I just thought about this. I'm very aware that you probably need more
time to reach a decision so, here is what I propose : we could file the
lawsuit as a precaution on monday and then withdraw it a week later if
you do not want to continue. I could work on this this week-end to have
something ready on monday. Let me know what you want to do.

- the second one is about standing. As I told you, I'm not sure FSFE
would have enough standing on it's on. It would be better if we could
have a competitor who "could have" been part of the conclusion of the
contract (it's also ok at the european level). This way, we could also
invoke irregularities about the failure of the contracting authority to
fulfil its publicity and competition obligations (that's why we need
someone who is likely to be adversely affected by such failures). But it
probably woth a try anyway, even if the FSFE is on its own.

For this part, I can lower my hourly fee to 125 before tax (150 tax
included). And, if we file the suit as a precaution and then you choose
to withdraw it a week later, I will bill nothing.

Let me know as soon as possible what you want me to do. You can call me
on my cellphone +33642754434 anytime.

Best,

Alexis

*Alexis FITZJEAN Ó COBHTHAIGH*

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Fwd: [GA] New fork / MK off until 23 April

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Did anybody go to Kirschner at his house when he was on paternity leave?

"During that time some topics will be on hold, and I will not follow-up
any e-mail discussions."

But he can go to employees house's when they are on sick leave.

Thanks for tips about Kirschner's wife, her name is Kristina


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: [GA] New fork / MK off until 23 April
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 07:33:09 +0200
From: Matthias Kirschner 
To: FSFE General Assembly , FSFE EU core team


This week my child Paul Benjamin Kirschner was born. We are all fine and
enjoy those wonderful and unique moments of our lives.
Until 23 April I will be offline to spent time with my family.

I am very happy that the FSFE is in a state which enables me to take
this time off, knowing that all day to day operations will be performed
reliably by our volunteers and staffers. During that time some topics
will be on hold, and I will not follow-up any e-mail discussions. Heiki
and Patrick will decide if something is important enough to contact me.
In case you have issues to discuss which are not absolutely urgent, I
ask you to wait with bringing them up, until I am back again.

Thank you for enabling me to enjoy the birth of my child and fully
concentrate on my family for the next weeks.
All the best from a tired but exuberantly happy,
Matthias

-- 
Matthias Kirschner - President - Free Software Foundation Europe
Schönhauser Allee 6/7, 10119 Berlin, Germany | t +49-30-27595290
Registered at Amtsgericht Hamburg, VR 17030  |   (fsfe.org/join)
Contact (fsfe.org/about/kirschner)  -  Weblog (k7r.eu/blog.html)
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Fwd: diversity and expanding the GA

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Subject: Re: diversity and expanding the GA
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2017 10:51:58 +
From: Matthias Kirschner 
To: g...@fsfeurope.org

Dear GA members,

thank you all for raising your points in this thread. As Hugo pointed
out we repeatedly had that discussion, and also worked on some points.
Still there were some new ideas in the thread and from the Council we
suggest a few action items to make further progress. But first, so that
everybody is on the same page, some examples of existing activities on
that topic.

## Some examples of what we already do/did

* When we have pictures on our website we try to have equal wo/man on
 them. For example have a look at
 https://fsfe.org/campaigns/ilovefs/whylovefs/gallery.en.html (this
 year we had some additions, before IIRC the ratio was better).

* For the FSFE front page we asked women to provide quotes with picture:
 This worked for Amaelle. Other female contributors were also initially
 interested in providing a quote, but other constrains prevented them
 from doing so.
* At our events we encourage female speakers, as well as new speakers,
 and from different countries (e.g. LLW, but also at the summit).
 Although we have the same problem most conferences have, that is is
 really difficult to achieve that.

* For the Legal Network council we started by picking the same ratio
 with men as with women.

* For internships we meanwhile give preference to women. One reason is
 also because becoming intern is also increasing the chance to become
 an employment in the Free Software area.
 (https://fsfe.org/contribute/internship.en.html says "We want more
 women to be involved in Free Software. That's why we will give
 preference to applications from suitably qualified female
 candidates.")

* As with males we also encourage female interns to stay active in the
 FSFE after their internships:
 * We hired Polina after her internship
 * Nikos is currently talking with Olga about her becoming the Greek
   deputy coordinator.
 * With Lucile we have regular contact and invite her to meetings (she
   has very little time).
 * We work a lot with Eszter, who is now assistent of Julia Reda, but
   it might be difficult to include her further at the moment.  * Lusy
is at the moment organising a Free Software event and
   coordinating with Matthias.

* Staff was following-up with proposals from the past. For example
 Patrick Ohnewein before proposed Sonia Montegiove. Matthias had
 several talks with her and invited her to the FSFE summit. The problem
 is that she is quite shy when speaking English.* This year we had a
moderations workshop for our staff. Before it we
 clarified with the trainer that one of our goals is to enable our
 staff running more inclusive meetings. The workshop was documented in
 the wiki https://wiki.fsfe.org/Internal/Moderation (some permission
 problem at the moment, hope it is soon fixed).

## Next Steps

### In Progress

* Finish and implement Code of Conduct:
 * Continue with the CoC, implement it, also against some critism (Erik
   worked on it with Heiki, but as it should be valid for the whole
   organisation so we said it would be good that we do not have several
   CoCs in the FSFE but try to merge it with the LLW CoC).
 * help our groups to enforce it with a training about that topic next
   year (for the LLW Polina worked on a detailed guide what to keep in
   mind about that).

### Possible actions

* Discussion with Ulrike about the topic. She studied gender studies and
 is very interested in the topic) about the topic. Together with her
 identify strategies for more diversity inside the FSFE community and
 the GA, by  * having a budget for counselling on diversity (as several
people
   pointed out, just because someone is a women in IT, does not know
   they know about diversity).* have a time budget for Ulrike to
help on this issue next year.

* As some hesitate to just add women to the GA without first being
 involved in other areas, make it a priority to support already active
 or interested females (or other under represented groups).  * This
could include that we encourage them to join us in teams, and
   mentor them, or to invite them to events so we can meet them (could
   also include priority for travel funding in case we have to choose).

* GA participation:  * You might have realised that all our male
staffers are GA members,
   but none of our female staffers is. That is bad. We should encourage
   Polina and Ulrike to think about joining, too.
 * Depending on the outcome of the FSFE2020 discussion: if we enlarge
   the council (as the FSFE board) introduce a quote there (as Daniel
   proposed to have a second VP position, with a requirement that at
   least one of the VP positions must not be male.)
 * Depending on the Italian GA member's feedback, we could invite her
   as a guest to the next GA, or if they think it would be a good idea
   we can ask her to first become another 

Fwd: Pablo leaving us

[Debian Community News Team]

Did anybody hire a lawyer to write defamation about Pablo when he was sick?

Or Matthias only used the lawyer against Galia during her sick leave?


 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Pablo leaving us
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 11:33:59 +
From: Matthias Kirschner 
To: g...@fsfeurope.org
CC: pa...@libre.org

Dear members,
see below an e-mail by Pablo which he allowed me to forward to all of
you. I already thanked him a lot for his contributions in the past, and
I assume many from the older members also have good memories about our
GA in Spain with the famous jam session (see the two pictures), joint
booths at FOSDEM, and other activities.
Thank you again Pablo for all the work and those good moments together.

Best Regards,
Matthias


* Pablo M [2017-08-25 08:52 +0200]:
From: Pablo M 
Date: August 25, 2017 8:52
Subject: Declaration of withdrawal
To: Matthias Kirschner 


[redacted]

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Re: should FSFE disclose Matthias Kirschner legal bills?

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On 06/01/2021 10:56, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> you forgot Karsten Gerloff.
> 
> Is Georg your hero now?


No, but it is useful to have data for comparison, to see if Kirschner
inherited a bad culture or if he created a bad culture.

After we cover Georg, Karsten and Matthias, we can ask other free
software organizations for their stats too
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should FSFE disclose Matthias Kirschner legal bills?

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FSFE claims[1] to follow guidelines from Transparency International

Should FSFE disclose how much money from donors was used to pay the
lawyers defending Matthias Kirschner?

Here are the questions:

- how much money has gone to lawyers for staff disputes when Georg Greve
was president?

- how much money has gone to lawyers for staff disputes under the rule
of Matthias Kirschner?

- how many staff have made complaints against Greve?

- how many staff have made complaints against Kirschner?

- how many interns have made complaints against Greve?

- how many interns have made complaints against Kirschner?


1. https://fsfe.org/about/transparency-commitment.en.html
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Re: Matthias Kirschner in court, stalking female employee

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On 05/01/2021 14:03, quiliro wrote:
> Debian Community News Team  writes:
> 
>> On 05/01/2021 13:22, quiliro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03/01/2021 14:40, quiliro wrote:
>>>>> Which would be a good way to end this fighting?  I know there are
>>>>> wounds.  But there could be a consensus to stop wounding each other per
>>>>> secula seculorum.
>>>
>>> Debian Community News Team  writes:
>>>> A group against one person is NEVER acceptable.
>>>
>>> Your point is clear.  I do not have a position here because I have no
>>> personal experience in this case.  I do agree that a group against one
>>> person should not be allowed.
>>>
>>> My question was not that.  I asked if there could be a minimum
>>> consensus.  If it was possible, which would be the conditions?
>>>
>>> Is it so difficult for such a smart group of people to think about such
>>> a solution which would bring us together in what we _do_ agree upon?
> 
>> Their participation in free software is solely to get money and power
>> over other people.
>>
>> To have some minimum consensus implies that these people have to give up
>> some of their power or go away completely.
> 
> At least how much of their power would they have to give up?

That is very easy to answer: they would have to allow everybody to have
an equal vote

Right now, both the FSFE and OSI refuses to register people as voting
members.  If we are not members then they have no credibility when they
claim to speak for us.

>> For example, imagine they go to the medical industry and they ask to be
>> President of the association for doctors.  They are not developers, they
>> are not doctors, but they ask to have these titles.
> 
> You are describing most politicians and activists.  Politicians and
> activists usually want to change things without doing them themselves.
> They usually change things by changing policy, not by doing the job
> itself.  That is not the best.  But it is not necesarily bad.  Also,
> stakeholders are not only the people who do the job.  These people also
> have the right to incidence.  What is your stance about this issue?

If people vote for them then they have a mandate and they can make policies

If they implement their policies by blackmailing people and spreading
defamation then they are gangsters and frauds.

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Re: Matthias Kirschner in court, stalking female employee

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On 05/01/2021 13:22, quiliro wrote:
> 
>> On 03/01/2021 14:40, quiliro wrote:
>>> Which would be a good way to end this fighting?  I know there are
>>> wounds.  But there could be a consensus to stop wounding each other per
>>> secula seculorum.
> 
> Debian Community News Team  writes:
>> A group against one person is NEVER acceptable.
> 
> Your point is clear.  I do not have a position here because I have no
> personal experience in this case.  I do agree that a group against one
> person should not be allowed.
> 
> My question was not that.  I asked if there could be a minimum
> consensus.  If it was possible, which would be the conditions?
> 
> Is it so difficult for such a smart group of people to think about such
> a solution which would bring us together in what we _do_ agree upon?

There is another fundamental problem

Some people, like Matthias Kirschner and Molly de Blanc, are not
developers.  They can not do any technical work.  There are some people
like this in both FSFE and Debian, they have titles, like President in
FSFE or "non-uploading Debian Developer", these are titles for imposters
and girlfriends.

Their participation in free software is solely to get money and power
over other people.

To have some minimum consensus implies that these people have to give up
some of their power or go away completely.  Every time they feel there
is a threat to their power, they attack somebody, like the attacks on
the women and the attacks on the last fellowship representative

The women were smarter than Kirschner: so he had to sack them and spread
rumours about them to make himself look bigger and make them look
smaller.  That is how weak and cowardly men behave.  Kirschner is weak
and he is a coward.

Try to imagine Matthias Kirschner or Molly de Blanc leaving the FSFE and
the OSI and other free software groups and going to another industry.
For example, imagine they go to the medical industry and they ask to be
President of the association for doctors.  They are not developers, they
are not doctors, but they ask to have these titles.  Would the doctors
appoint Matthias Kirschner or Molly de Blanc as their President?  Or
would they immediately reject them as imposters?

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Matthias Kirschner in court, stalking female employee

[Debian Community News Team]

Please stop giving money to FSFE


https://fsfellowship.eu/court-case-fsfe-women-and-volunteers-face-modern-day-slavery/


The despot described by the female employee is the same despot described
by the former fellowship representative.
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Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?

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On 29/10/2020 01:35, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 01:21:13AM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote:

>> Why do you doubt the facts in the Debian Community News article?
> 
> The expressed fact in the article is that a member of DAM works for a 
> company based 25 miles from the GCHQ headquarters. It is also a fact 
> that your domain is associated with a company registered 3 miles from 
> the MI6 headquarters. Readers may make their own inferences.

Many people choose to be in central London but the people who choose to
be out in the countryside near GCHQ may not be there for agricultural work.

https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/
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Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?

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On 29/10/2020 00:29, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 11:59:44PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> 
>> My post office box at Melbourne University was less than one meter from
>> Julian Assange of Wikileaks.  He was living a few hundred meters down
>> the road.
> 
> Is there a meaningful distinction between this and the evidence you have 
> provided to imply that GCHQ has infiltrated DAM?


Why do you doubt the facts in the Debian Community News article?

https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/
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Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?

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On 28/10/2020 23:27, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 02:27:58PM -0700, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:
>> El 2020-10-28 16:21, Matthew Garrett escribió:
>>> No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian.
>>
>> How can he know?  As I see, he is talking about probabilities and
>> suspicious coincidences.  You do not see it that way?
> 
> The suspicious coincidence that a member of DAM works for a company 
> based 25 miles from the GCHQ headquarters?


Having run a full marathon (26.2 miles) before lunch, we don't feel that
is a long way.  We'd be delighted to jog it with the SAS and have beers
with GCHQ at the finish.

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Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?

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On 28/10/2020 23:01, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:

>> If we had a choice between having lunch with the boss of GCHQ and a DAM,
>> we would choose GCHQ any day.
> 
> You mean that their capacity is better or that their intentions are less
> evil? 

The bit about intellectual capacity

DAMs are not necessarily evil, maybe just stupid, gullible and devoid of
human empathy.
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Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?

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On 28/10/2020 22:27, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:
> El 2020-10-28 16:21, Matthew Garrett escribió:
>> No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian.
> 
> How can he know?  As I see, he is talking about probabilities and
> suspicious coincidences.  You do not see it that way?


If GCHQ are doing their job well, nobody could ever prove the extent to
which they infiltrated Debian.

Out of respect for the GCHQ agents, we have no doubt they could fool the
misfits in DAM if they really wanted to.

If we had a choice between having lunch with the boss of GCHQ and a DAM,
we would choose GCHQ any day.
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Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?

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On 28/10/2020 20:33, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 09:34:21AM +0100, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 27/10/2020 23:01, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>
>>> If GCHQ wanted to infiltrate Debian then I have no doubt that they could 
>>> do so. Are you asserting that they have done so?
>>
>> Is there any difference between GCHQ agents infiltrating Debian and
>> Google apologists infiltrating Debian?
> 
> Are you asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian?

Are you asking if we think GCHQ's powers of infiltration are superior to
Debian's powers of defense?

We wouldn't be the least bit surprised if GCHQ is actually using Debian too

You don't seriously think people at GCHQ work in Visual Basic do you?



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Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?

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On 27/10/2020 23:01, Matthew Garrett wrote:

> If GCHQ wanted to infiltrate Debian then I have no doubt that they could 
> do so. Are you asserting that they have done so?

Is there any difference between GCHQ agents infiltrating Debian and
Google apologists infiltrating Debian?
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Re: NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?

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> Is the suggestion
> that GCHQ infiltrated DAM ...
> 
> Are you suggesting the individuals working for the British signal
> intelligence organisation are lazy and never thought of infiltrating
> Debian because they are busy doing crosswords?
> 
> 
> Could you once for one time answer a simple question without asking a
> stupid counter question. This is not a question.
> 


Answers are all here:

https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/

Please share before they call a drone strike on our servers

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NSA, GCHQ & Debian links, Jonathan Wiltshire, Tiger Computing?

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Garfield is going to love this... Tiger Computing could be the link from
GCHQ to Debian

https://debian.community/jonathan-wiltshire-debian-falsified-harassment-claims-tiger-computing-gchq/
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Fellowship Fridays!

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Can't make this up

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/18/lord-of-the-rings-special-effects-company-weta-digital-launches-inquiry-into-toxic-workplace-claims


Fellowship forever
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Re: ISP censorship: gmx.de, bluewin.ch, freenet.de, libero.it, t-online.de

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On 07/09/2020 20:15, aristo...@tutanota.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sep 7, 2020, 11:23 by team@debian.community:
> 
> inspecting logs, it appears that these ISPs are censoring the
> confirmation messages and the messages bounce back to the list server.
> 
> 
> Bullshit. No one is censoring subscription confirmations. The DKIM setup
> of your bloody domain does not meet the narrow requirements of those
> mail providers.


When people accused Jacob Appelbaum of rape, facts were never important

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Re: Discussion Digest, Vol 13, Issue 3

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On 07/09/2020 17:21, MJ Ray wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:38:42 +0200
> Bastien  wrote:
> 
>> It is a list created by someone who was (or is) angry about the FSFE,
>> subscribed (by force) people like me, and now uses the list to spread
>> its anger, under various identities.
> 
> WTF? That's not legal these days! Who is the list creator (I'm
> guessing it's Daniel or maybe Roy?) and do you know which country they
> are resident in? Do you know if I need to contact their nation's privacy
> regulator or whether the UK's Information Commissioner can act on the
> complaint?
> 

FSFE forked the list in 2018 when they had a general meeting to remove
the Fellowship from their constitution.

Forking a list is not the same as subscribing people without consent.

Many people did choose to subscribe after the list became independent,
another wave of subscribers joined after censorship of RMS and more
people joined after the Linux Australia censorship problems began.

Regards,

Daniel
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ISP censorship: gmx.de, bluewin.ch, freenet.de, libero.it, t-online.de

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Users with these domains have reported problems trying to subscribe to
this list:

gmx.de
bluewin.ch
freenet.de
libero.it
t-online.de

In particular, they never receive the confirmation messages.  Upon
inspecting logs, it appears that these ISPs are censoring the
confirmation messages and the messages bounce back to the list server.

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Re: expulsions vs Reproducible Builds

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On 01/09/2020 20:54, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 08:40:53PM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
> 
>> There is one fact that is identical in both cases, Daniel Lange and
>> Jacob Appelbaum are both innocent until proven guilty.
> 
> Nobody's asking for either of them to be imprisoned. Why do you believe 
> that someone who has been credibly accused of multiple cases of rape or 
> sexual assault is entitled to membership of a volunteer organisation?

Why do you believe an anonymous doxing campaign has more credibility
than the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which proclaims that
everybody is innocent until proven guilty?


https://debian.community/daniel-lange-jacob-appelbaum-hypocrisy/
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Re: expulsions vs Reproducible Builds

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On 01/09/2020 20:36, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 08:11:20PM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01/09/2020 20:06, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 11:44:42AM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/09/2020 10:52, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:26:40AM +0200, Debian Community News Team 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> a) The different approaches taken to complaints about Appelbaum and
>>>>>> Lange, even though both complaints arrived at the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of these complaints involved multiple accusations of rape and sexual 
>>>>> assault. The other involved an accusation of aggressive and 
>>>>> disrespectful behaviour. Do you believe that these things are 
>>>>> equivalent?
>>>>
>>>> If one complaint is more serious than the other, does that make the
>>>> complaint more true than the other?
>>>
>>> Those are orthogonal. Do you believe it's unreasonable that complaints 
>>> of different severity would have different outcomes?
>>
>> The difference between the outcomes is so vast that the moon could pass
>> through the gap, hence the deeper analysis in today's blog
> 
> The difference between the accusations is also vast.

There is one fact that is identical in both cases, Daniel Lange and
Jacob Appelbaum are both innocent until proven guilty.

https://debian.community/daniel-lange-jacob-appelbaum-hypocrisy/
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Re: expulsions vs Reproducible Builds

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On 01/09/2020 20:06, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 11:44:42AM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 01/09/2020 10:52, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:26:40AM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>>
>>>> a) The different approaches taken to complaints about Appelbaum and
>>>> Lange, even though both complaints arrived at the same time.
>>>
>>> One of these complaints involved multiple accusations of rape and sexual 
>>> assault. The other involved an accusation of aggressive and 
>>> disrespectful behaviour. Do you believe that these things are 
>>> equivalent?
>>
>> If one complaint is more serious than the other, does that make the
>> complaint more true than the other?
> 
> Those are orthogonal. Do you believe it's unreasonable that complaints 
> of different severity would have different outcomes?

The difference between the outcomes is so vast that the moon could pass
through the gap, hence the deeper analysis in today's blog

https://debian.community/daniel-lange-jacob-appelbaum-hypocrisy/


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Re: expulsions vs Reproducible Builds

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On 01/09/2020 10:52, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 10:26:40AM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
> 
>> a) The different approaches taken to complaints about Appelbaum and
>> Lange, even though both complaints arrived at the same time.
> 
> One of these complaints involved multiple accusations of rape and sexual 
> assault. The other involved an accusation of aggressive and 
> disrespectful behaviour. Do you believe that these things are 
> equivalent?

If one complaint is more serious than the other, does that make the
complaint more true than the other?

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expulsions vs Reproducible Builds

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This blog looks at a couple of contradictions:

a) The different approaches taken to complaints about Appelbaum and
Lange, even though both complaints arrived at the same time.

b) The huge effort to have Reproducible Builds, while making no effort
to have reproducible justice for volunteers.

https://debian.community/daniel-lange-jacob-appelbaum-hypocrisy/
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Re: Daniel Lange & Debian: DebConf, aggression towards volunteers

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On 31/08/2020 23:07, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 09:50:06PM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 31/08/2020 21:22, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 09:01:00PM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>>
>>>> We didn't witness the Daniel Lange incident so we don't know if it is
>>>> true.
>>>
>>> But you've reported on it anyway, despite there being no signed witness 
>>> statement. Why will you not afford the stories of Jake's victims equal 
>>> coverage?
>>
>> If there are real victims out there, their voices are diluted by the
>> falsified 3 cases, not by Debian Community News.
> 
> Why will you not afford the stories of Jake's victims equal coverage?

If you care about their best interests, is it better for them to have
publicity in Debian Community News or to have a serious trial in a
serious court?

We wouldn't let lawyers come into Debian and mess with the code so why
is it that developers want to mess around pretending to be lawyers
running kangaroo courts?
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Re: Daniel Lange & Debian: DebConf, aggression towards volunteers

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On 31/08/2020 21:22, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 09:01:00PM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
> 
>> We didn't witness the Daniel Lange incident so we don't know if it is
>> true.
> 
> But you've reported on it anyway, despite there being no signed witness 
> statement. Why will you not afford the stories of Jake's victims equal 
> coverage?

If there are real victims out there, their voices are diluted by the
falsified 3 cases, not by Debian Community News.

How can Debian claim to have a principled position on abuse when the
case against Daniel Lange wasn't considered in the same way as the case
against Appelbaum?
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Re: Daniel Lange & Debian: DebConf, aggression towards volunteers

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On 31/08/2020 20:38, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 08:31:37PM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 31/08/2020 19:31, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:12:36AM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>>
>>>> Debian Community News is impartial and welcomes all sides of the story.
>>>
>>> Except for the side of the story where people have described Jake's 
>>> behaviour towards them, apparently.
>>
>> Please see the earlier email: if those people sign witness statements,
>> Debian Community News would publish them.
> 
> Have you signed witness statements regarding any of the accusations 
> you've made?

We didn't witness the Daniel Lange incident so we don't know if it is
true.  The email is there to help people see the contrast with the Jacob
Appelbaum case: the two cases both handled in the same period of time, 6
days apart.  Are you saying the email has been tampered with or you
confirm you have the same email in your debian-private mailbox?

If the jacobappelbaum.net rape story is true, if there was an audience,
who are those people?

Is that why nobody wants to talk to the police, all these people would
be questioned?

The police would want to know why other people didn't stop the attack.

Police would search their devices.

For the story to be true, there are multiple people who may have
committed crimes.  Why isn't there a web site for each of them?

witness1.net
witness2.net
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Re: Daniel Lange & Debian: DebConf, aggression towards volunteers

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On 31/08/2020 19:31, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:12:36AM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
> 
>> Debian Community News is impartial and welcomes all sides of the story.
> 
> Except for the side of the story where people have described Jake's 
> behaviour towards them, apparently.

Please see the earlier email: if those people sign witness statements,
Debian Community News would publish them.

There are many genuine cases, like Harvey Weinstein and there are also
many cases where people are set up, like DSK[1].  That is why it is so
important for an independent investigator to check all these claims.

If you are making these strong statements on behalf of a friend, then
they are very lucky to have you as a friend but it also means you are
not impartial.  Nobody in the free software community is impartial in a
case like this.

You still haven't commented on the difference in how Debian handled the
Appelbaum complaints and the way a Daniel Lange complaint was ignored
because he does DebConf work.  Herr Lange, like Herr Appelbaum, is
innocent until proven guilty of course.




1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Strauss-Kahn

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Re: Daniel Lange & Debian: DebConf, aggression towards volunteers

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On 31/08/2020 10:53, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:28:24AM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 31/08/2020 10:18, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 05:56:45PM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is really remarkable is that Debian ignored this evidence and began
>>>> processing Lange's application to become a Debian Developer in the same
>>>> week that they were expelling Jacob Appelbaum
>>>
>>> Jake sexually assaulted and raped multiple people. Are you asserting 
>>> that it was inappropriate for him to be removed from the NM process once 
>>> Debian was made aware of this?
>>
>> Matthew, when you post an email like that without evidence it is hearsay
>> and defamation.
> 
> The content of jacobappelbaum.net is literally not hearsay.

If anybody wishes to sign a witness statement in front of a notary and
post it on the mailing list it will be most welcome.

Debian Community News is impartial and welcomes all sides of the story.

Back to Daniel Lange: the report of aggression was sent to
debian-private just 6 days after Jacob Appelbaum was expelled.

Justice has to be equal and consistent for every volunteer.  Otherwise,
it is not justice.

The Debian Account Managers do not need to say Jake is innocent: they
only have to say "it is not our job, this is a matter for the police"


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Subject: [Daniel Lange] Do some public considerations for newmaint
application, good way to proceed?
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:42:26 -0400
From: Tiago Bortoletto Vaz 
To: debian-priv...@lists.debian.org

Hi all,

I've supported a few applications in the newmaint list and I never objected
one. With Daniel Lange's declaration of intent I feel for the first time the
need to publically do some considerations, but I don't know the best way
to proceed.
I'd like to make it clear that his behavior in some situations in the past
are not welcome in Debian. At the same time I don't want to start a noisy
thread in there.

I witnessed aggressive and disrespectful behavior from Daniel against a
person
very close to me, both written and in person, during Debconf15. As he
was not a
member/whatever of the Debian community I decided to let it go. Besides
that, I
think he was quite harmful during the storm against the Debconf chairs.
But it
may be more a personal opinion.

I'm aware that he's doing a lot of work for Debconf and I'm not objecting to
his application. But I'll just feel bad if I say nothing at this time.

Any suggestion on how to act will be appreciate on such situations.

Bests,

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Re: Daniel Lange & Debian: DebConf, aggression towards volunteers

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On 31/08/2020 10:18, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 05:56:45PM +0200, Debian Community News Team wrote:
> 
>> What is really remarkable is that Debian ignored this evidence and began
>> processing Lange's application to become a Debian Developer in the same
>> week that they were expelling Jacob Appelbaum
> 
> Jake sexually assaulted and raped multiple people. Are you asserting 
> that it was inappropriate for him to be removed from the NM process once 
> Debian was made aware of this?

Matthew, when you post an email like that without evidence it is hearsay
and defamation.

Look at the difference between these statements:

"My friend told me about Jake"

"Julian Assange was summoned for questioning about allegations.  The
investigation was dropped."

One statement is hearsay, the other is fact.

The ball is in the court of the accusers.  Until they visit a police
station, Jake is innocent until proven guilty, like every other man.

But if you think such allegations are so credible, why was the Daniel
Lange accusation not given the same credibility?
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Daniel Lange & Debian: DebConf, aggression towards volunteers

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Does anybody have any facts about Daniel Lange?

https://debian.community/daniel-lange-aggression-towards-volunteers/

What is really remarkable is that Debian ignored this evidence and began
processing Lange's application to become a Debian Developer in the same
week that they were expelling Jacob Appelbaum

The arrogance and hypocrisy knows no limits

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Subject: [Daniel Lange] Do some public considerations for newmaint
application, good way to proceed?
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:42:26 -0400
From: Tiago Bortoletto Vaz 
To: debian-priv...@lists.debian.org

Hi all,

I've supported a few applications in the newmaint list and I never objected
one. With Daniel Lange's declaration of intent I feel for the first time the
need to publically do some considerations, but I don't know the best way
to proceed.
I'd like to make it clear that his behavior in some situations in the past
are not welcome in Debian. At the same time I don't want to start a noisy
thread in there.

I witnessed aggressive and disrespectful behavior from Daniel against a
person
very close to me, both written and in person, during Debconf15. As he
was not a
member/whatever of the Debian community I decided to let it go. Besides
that, I
think he was quite harmful during the storm against the Debconf chairs.
But it
may be more a personal opinion.

I'm aware that he's doing a lot of work for Debconf and I'm not objecting to
his application. But I'll just feel bad if I say nothing at this time.

Any suggestion on how to act will be appreciate on such situations.

Bests,

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poll results: understanding Corporate Influence (Google in FSFE)

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From this poll:
https://fsfellowship.eu/when-google-calls-does-fsfe-jump-corporate-influence/

These are the results:

*1. cut your own salary and work for free like Richard Stallman at FSF
and GNU  (Condorcet winner: wins contests with all other choices)*

2. cancel all travel budgets (imagine there was no pandemic)  loses to
cut your own salary and work for free like Richard Stallman at FSF and
GNU by 10–7
3. sack the two interns  loses to cut your own salary and work for free
like Richard Stallman at FSF and GNU by 9–7, loses to cancel all travel
budgets (imagine there was no pandemic) by 8–7
4. cut everybody's salary by 20%  loses to cut your own salary and work
for free like Richard Stallman at FSF and GNU by 9–7, loses to sack the
two interns by 9–6
5. sack one employee  loses to cut your own salary and work for free
like Richard Stallman at FSF and GNU by 9–7, loses to cut everybody's
salary by 20% by 8–6
6. close the Berlin office and move everybody to eastern Europe  loses
to cut your own salary and work for free like Richard Stallman at FSF
and GNU by 12–3, loses to sack one employee by 11–5
7. complain to the FSFE CARE team  loses to cut your own salary and work
for free like Richard Stallman at FSF and GNU by 11–5, loses to close
the Berlin office and move everybody to eastern Europe by 9–7
8. call your new friends at Microsoft and ask for more money  loses to
cut your own salary and work for free like Richard Stallman at FSF and
GNU by 12–4, loses to complain to the FSFE CARE team by 8–4
9. blame a volunteer  loses to cut your own salary and work for free
like Richard Stallman at FSF and GNU by 13–2, loses to call your new
friends at Microsoft and ask for more money by 7–4
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how would you un-spend €75,000 from Google?

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https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl?id=E_d3dc3d38ca6d3512
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Re: Black Ribbon Day & FSFEGoogle

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On 18/08/2020 09:57, Johann Gross wrote:
> How can you write such stupid text in the name of the fellowship? I am
> also member of the fellowship but I do not agree with what you write.

Thank you for your feedback.  This mailing list welcomes multiple opinions.

Can a blog be stupid and true at the same time?

We are happy to be stupid if it helps people use the opportunity to
understand what TOTALITARIANISM really means.

Fact: Fellows were never allowed to nominate for president or attend the
annual meeting of FSFE.  Is that more like democracy or dictatorship?

Even if it is stupid, which point from the blog is /not/ based on fact?

- Gemlich letter (1919) and FSFE minutes (2019) both spread defamation

- Nazis stole artworks, FSFE are stealing RMS's trademark (see below,
"the framework agreement, as it stands, is not being honored from
any side")

- Nazis and FSFE claim and pretends to speak for all Europe

- Nazis and FSFE both cancelled elections

- Nazis and FSFE both censored political opponents

- Nazis and FSFE both made experiments on people (look at how they
brainwashed somebody after 34C3, more details to come)

- when Nazis and FSFE can't control somebody, they try to make them
completely disappear


Nobody says that FSFE == Nazi Party.  This is just a feature comparison
that is disturbingly accurate.


> You really have severe mental problems

What about volunteers who work for Google(=FSFE) without getting paid?
Most people find that behavior odd.


https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-nazi-comparisons/

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Subject: Re: FSF asking us to change our name II
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:31:39 +0200
From: Jonas Oberg 
To: Bernhard Reiter 
CC: g...@fsfeurope.org

Hi Bernhard,

I largely agree with you, but I would like to ask for a clarification on
this part:

> I don't see why. We should ask them to establish the agreed cooperation.

If I take an honest look at the framework agreement, I believe it's
phrased rather favourable towards the FSF, and a lot of what we would
like to see -- such as joint decision making on important issues related
to Free Software -- isn't actually in the agreement aside from an intent
to develop such a way in some hypothetical future.

And I can truly see why the FSF believes we are in violation of the
agreement, at least on parts. Our work on the Radio Directive and other
policy work I believe is an example of work that according to the
agreement should be carried out by the FSF, and not the FSFE.

Our work on standards for cloud services is close to what's reserved for
the FSF. On the other part, there are a number of activities envisioned
from the FSFE which we don't do, or never did: operate the GNU Business
Network, develop new free software, translate FSF position papers,
recruit more volunteers for the GNU project, resell FSF merchandise,
and so on.

So the framework agreement, as it stands, is not being honored from
any side. What I understand from you is that you think we can push
more on this:

   We intend, in the
   future, after we have gained experience working together, to develop a
   system wherein these decisions are approved jointly by a specific list
   of several major FSFs.

Essentially, our message could be that now, after 15 years, we have the
experience of working together. It's not been a pleasurable experience,
but we now know what the current tensions and activities are, which makes
this a good time to now negotiate what such a system for join decision
making would look like.

Is that close to what you intend?


Sincerely,

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Free Software Foundation Europe | jo...@fsfe.org
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Black Ribbon Day & FSFEGoogle

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Black Ribbon Day is on Sunday

Please share and provide feedback about the news

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cult-like abuse analysis in Debian, FSFE

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This article gives an insight into how Debian (also FSFE) are operating
much more like a cult than an organization of professionals:

https://debian.community/debian-chris-lamb-nxivm-sex-cult-prosecution/

Debian Developers may be volunteers but Debian's lawyers are being paid
to fight against the GDPR.  Did people expect their money would be used
like this when they gave this money to Debian?

One impact of this is that people should not give money to any of these
big organizations any more.  If you do want to give money to free
software, please give it directly to developers working on projects you
use.  The lawyers, FSFE staff and similar have become parasites.

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Outreachy / internship opportunity studying cult phenomena in Free Software organizations

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Please forward to anybody you know who has an interest in psychology,
organizational behavior, management science, cults, science of
religions, anthropology or similar fields.

Outreachy internships don't have to be coding projects and the
applicants don't have to be developers.

https://debian.community/outreachy-internship-cult-psychology-free-open-source-software-organizations/

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