Re: how do designers create content
I love doing XHTML/CSS, but of course development gets more work/money/ jobs/ladies (j.k.) I started out with Flash, then moved onto XHTML/ CSS, then Javascript, then PHP, then Django, which I think is a good progression so that you understand the whole gamut of web development and can interface with just about anyone working on a project. >From my experience, the best way to do the front end aspect of the project is to start with the photoshop mockup/sketch/whatever and then translate to HTML/CS. Once the design is approved, move onto JS (unless youre doing AJAX), then on to development. This works especially well for smaller projects and for freelance. On Apr 22, 6:17 pm, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 23-Apr-08, at 5:02 AM, Jorge Vargas wrote: > > > developer (me) starts working on the site outputting plain simple > > html, h1,h2, div,etc and forms. not worrying about the master. > > designer starts working on the master either photoshop or whatever. > > then I sit down with the designer and start translating his stuff into > > CSS/html , this is the really annoying part. > > then we integrate the slave's and finish working the CSS by his/her > > directions. > > > it's really annoying and I'll love to find someone that is good with > > design and can output clean xhtml + CSS but so far I haven't. :( > > I do the same - problem is that everyone wants to be a developer - no > one wants to be a html/css guy. And unfortunately html/css gusy are > the ones often sent out to get coffee ;-) > > -- > > regards > kghttp://lawgon.livejournal.comhttp://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
On 23-Apr-08, at 5:02 AM, Jorge Vargas wrote: > developer (me) starts working on the site outputting plain simple > html, h1,h2, div,etc and forms. not worrying about the master. > designer starts working on the master either photoshop or whatever. > then I sit down with the designer and start translating his stuff into > CSS/html , this is the really annoying part. > then we integrate the slave's and finish working the CSS by his/her > directions. > > it's really annoying and I'll love to find someone that is good with > design and can output clean xhtml + CSS but so far I haven't. :( I do the same - problem is that everyone wants to be a developer - no one wants to be a html/css guy. And unfortunately html/css gusy are the ones often sent out to get coffee ;-) -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 2:33 AM, lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am new to django, but I think it is really cool. I have used other > web dev systems before like zope/plone and php. I am a little new to > the template type system of django and I was wondering how most web > designer create therir content when there are seperate programmers and > designers. Do the designers use text base editting like ultraedit or > or graphics based software like dreamweaver? Most of the artist I know > don't do much coding and are into photoshop, illustrator and > dreamweaver. On sites like lawrence.com where there are lots of > content developers do they create pages in web forms, or editors or > graphic packages? > This is what I do. it's not efficient but honestly there is no clean way. split the site into a master/slave layout. (sorry is this sounds dumb but some people still don't) developer (me) starts working on the site outputting plain simple html, h1,h2, div,etc and forms. not worrying about the master. designer starts working on the master either photoshop or whatever. then I sit down with the designer and start translating his stuff into CSS/html , this is the really annoying part. then we integrate the slave's and finish working the CSS by his/her directions. it's really annoying and I'll love to find someone that is good with design and can output clean xhtml + CSS but so far I haven't. :( > > Lee > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
I'm (currently) a low-budget developer, so I'll do mock-ups on graph paper, edit images in Acorn, and then hand code in BBEdit (which I got a great deal on, before TextMate was as robust & awesome as it is now). A good solution for the cost-conscious, aside from TextMate, is Coda. (If you're doing dev on a Mac, of course.) It might be because of my long-ago bad experiences with FrontPage, but I just don't trust those WYSIWYG programs to get the code right. On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 1:33 AM, lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am new to django, but I think it is really cool. I have used other > web dev systems before like zope/plone and php. I am a little new to > the template type system of django and I was wondering how most web > designer create therir content when there are seperate programmers and > designers. Do the designers use text base editting like ultraedit or > or graphics based software like dreamweaver? Most of the artist I know > don't do much coding and are into photoshop, illustrator and > dreamweaver. On sites like lawrence.com where there are lots of > content developers do they create pages in web forms, or editors or > graphic packages? > > > Lee > > > -- portfolio: http://textivism.com/ blog: http://erikanderica.org/erik/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
To expand on what Kenneth just said: It really depends on the individuals involved. I love the work my primary designer does in Photoshop, but her HTML/CSS makes me cringe. I got her to stop using GoLive to create these Tables From Hell (multi- row/multi-col spans all over the place), but she is still weak on CSS box model, good class name choices, etc., so her hand-coded stuff is less than excellent. I could do it myself, but I have no love for doing Photoshop => HTML/CSS work. For our next project we're considering using an outside firm to do the conversion. For example http://w3-markup.com/ looks interesting. After the initial conversion you have the ongoing problem of tweaking the design. My normal designer seems to be OK with this and can color inside the lines (i.e. conforming HTML/CSS) once someone else has drawn them. On the other hand, I have one client who regularly butchered existing templates, would check them in, push to staging, not test, and then push to production. Gack. So I revoked his checkin privileges. He plays with his local copy of the site and then has to email me the files for approval. One other observation: although Django templates have some nice features, there are problems. 1. Anything more complicated than simple variable substitution (e.g. for-loops, if-then-else) seems to confuse many Right Side of the Brain people. I don't know any designers who say, "Neat! Now I can do presentation logic in templates!" 2. But it's weak and clunky from a programmer point of view. So I think my next project is going to be done in either Jinja or (more likely) Mako templates. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
On 22-Apr-08, at 7:31 PM, lee wrote: > In the django world of template coding would the artist be the one who > added content to this layout or the programmer? > Would he use a text editor to add the django template code for dynamic > content or something like dreamweaver? a lot depends on the pecking order in the establishment. If the programmer is higher up, he makes a barebones template and the artist fills in the css/html/graphics. If the artist is higher he makes the template and indicates where he wants the dynamic content. But in most cases, the artist/designer will write his templates using a text editor. I have never used dreamweaver, but I find good web designers seem to avoid it. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
Thanks for all the responses. I want to be more specific, so lets say I have two guys a programmer that manages the back end data and an Artist who does great web designs and can write django template code. For my example lets say the artist came up with a page like this (from vit.dlouhy at oswd.org) http://www.oswd.org/design/preview/id/3465/ In the django world of template coding would the artist be the one who added content to this layout or the programmer? Would he use a text editor to add the django template code for dynamic content or something like dreamweaver? Lee On Apr 21, 2:58 am, Chris Hoeppner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > El dom, 20-04-2008 a las 12:13 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves escribió: > > > > > On 20-Apr-08, at 12:03 PM, lee wrote: > > > > Do the designers use text base editting like ultraedit or > > > or graphics based software like dreamweaver? Most of the artist I know > > > don't do much coding and are into photoshop, illustrator and > > > dreamweaver. On sites like lawrence.com where there are lots of > > > content developers do they create pages in web forms, or editors or > > > graphic packages? > > > django graphic designers design just like regular graphic designers > > Sorry to double post about this. > > Just to note: Content is edited, not designed. It's presentation is > designed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
El dom, 20-04-2008 a las 12:13 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves escribió: > > On 20-Apr-08, at 12:03 PM, lee wrote: > > > Do the designers use text base editting like ultraedit or > > or graphics based software like dreamweaver? Most of the artist I know > > don't do much coding and are into photoshop, illustrator and > > dreamweaver. On sites like lawrence.com where there are lots of > > content developers do they create pages in web forms, or editors or > > graphic packages? > > django graphic designers design just like regular graphic designers > Sorry to double post about this. Just to note: Content is edited, not designed. It's presentation is designed. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
El dom, 20-04-2008 a las 12:13 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves escribió: > > On 20-Apr-08, at 12:03 PM, lee wrote: > > > Do the designers use text base editting like ultraedit or > > or graphics based software like dreamweaver? Most of the artist I know > > don't do much coding and are into photoshop, illustrator and > > dreamweaver. On sites like lawrence.com where there are lots of > > content developers do they create pages in web forms, or editors or > > graphic packages? > > django graphic designers design just like regular graphic designers > There's nothing special about django content design. I think there's a difference between a Graphic Designer and a Web Designer, the former being 100% graphic oriented, like market design, and the last being a tad more code oriented. A web designer will know his way through photoshop, html and css, and maybe even some javascript. Most of them will have basic notions of how backend stuff works, even if they alone won't be able to bust up a system of sorts. Long story short, if your web designer says no-no to code, he's not a web designer. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
On 20-Apr-08, at 12:16 PM, James Bennett wrote: > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 1:33 AM, lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> designers. Do the designers use text base editting like ultraedit or >> or graphics based software like dreamweaver? Most of the artist I >> know >> don't do much coding and are into photoshop, illustrator and >> dreamweaver. > > Most of the designers I've worked with mock things up in Photoshop, > then bust out TextMate to do the HTML and CSS. I know a couple of guys who use Gimp and Inkscape - amazing he work they turn out -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 1:33 AM, lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > designers. Do the designers use text base editting like ultraedit or > or graphics based software like dreamweaver? Most of the artist I know > don't do much coding and are into photoshop, illustrator and > dreamweaver. Most of the designers I've worked with mock things up in Photoshop, then bust out TextMate to do the HTML and CSS. -- "Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct -- the best kind of correct." --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how do designers create content
On 20-Apr-08, at 12:03 PM, lee wrote: > Do the designers use text base editting like ultraedit or > or graphics based software like dreamweaver? Most of the artist I know > don't do much coding and are into photoshop, illustrator and > dreamweaver. On sites like lawrence.com where there are lots of > content developers do they create pages in web forms, or editors or > graphic packages? django graphic designers design just like regular graphic designers -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
