[DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
Dear dev1rs the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2]. That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years later, Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community. The long-awaited release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568) is here! ## So what's new in Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta? - OpenRC is installable using the expert install path (thanks Maemo Leste!) - eudev has replaced systemd-udev (thanks Gentoo!) - elogind has been added as an alternative to consolekit (thanks Gentoo!) - Desktop users can choose among fully functional XFCE (Default), KDE, Cinnamon, LXQT, MATE, and LXDE desktops - CLI-oriented users can select the "Console productivity" task that installs a fully-featured set of console-based utils and tools. - A .vdi disk image is now provided for use with VirtualBox. - ARM board kernels have been updated to 4.14 and 4.15 for most boards. ## Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable is on the horizon Although Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta has been powering thousands of servers and desktops for the last two years and been extensively tested by the Devuan community, it is being released as a beta because at Devuan we value involvement and feedback. So we want even more extensive testing of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta to confirm "when it is ready" to be called a Stable release. Once Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable is released, our efforts will turn to Devuan 3.0 Beowulf (minor planet nr. 38086). ## Download Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:** http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta is available for amd64 and i386 in the following flavours:** - installable live CD/DVD - installation CD/DVD - NETINST CDROM - installable minimal live - qcow/vagrant images **ARM:** https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/README.txt **Virtual machines:** https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/virtual/README.txt ## Upgrade to Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta provides safe upgrade paths from Devuan 1.0 Jessie, Debian 8.x Jessie, Debian 9.x Stretch. Just follow the relevant instructions at: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii ## Feedback (we love that!) If you try to install Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta from a DVD or CD setup please test it offline (i.e., without a network connection and without a configured mirror). If something goes wrong please try it online (i.e., with a network connection and a configured mirror). And then please report your findings to us including the list of packages as given by `dpkg -l | gzip -9 > packagelist.gz` and the output of `cat /var/lib/pam/session > pamconfig.txt` Please get in touch with us through one of the community channels listed below or on freenode #devuan-dev for real-time interaction. ## Information and contacts Web: http://www.devuan.org Forum: http://dev1galaxy.org BTS: http://bugs.devuan.org IRC: #devuan (freenode) Journalists please note: this announcement of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta release is mainly for internal testing not for wide redistribution. An announcement for the Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable release will hopefully follow very soon. happy hacking! The dev1 team [1] You can find an archive of the pre-alpha Valentine release message here: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180213.205150.929bbd85.en.html [2] https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100 Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:** > http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii > 404 :) I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/ pgpwVqrDSE6Ak.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
Happy VUAlentine's Day, Devuan! :) May you manifold and spread all the love that dedicated people put into you! Urban -- Sapere aude! Veteran Unix Admins wrote on 14.02.2018 10:48: > > Dear dev1rs > > the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release > of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins > declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2]. > That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years > later, Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community. The > long-awaited release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568) > is here! > > ## So what's new in Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta? > > - OpenRC is installable using the expert install path >(thanks Maemo Leste!) > > - eudev has replaced systemd-udev (thanks Gentoo!) > > - elogind has been added as an alternative to consolekit > (thanks Gentoo!) > > - Desktop users can choose among fully functional XFCE (Default), KDE, > Cinnamon, LXQT, MATE, and LXDE desktops > > - CLI-oriented users can select the "Console productivity" task that > installs a fully-featured set of console-based utils and tools. > > - A .vdi disk image is now provided for use with VirtualBox. > > - ARM board kernels have been updated to 4.14 and 4.15 for most > boards. > > ## Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable is on the horizon > > Although Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta has been powering thousands of servers > and desktops for the last two years and been extensively tested by the > Devuan community, it is being released as a beta because at Devuan we > value involvement and feedback. So we want even more extensive testing > of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta to confirm "when it is ready" to be called a > Stable release. > > Once Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable is released, our efforts will turn to > Devuan 3.0 Beowulf (minor planet nr. 38086). > > ## Download Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta > > **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:** > http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii > > **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta is available for amd64 and i386 in the > following flavours:** > > - installable live CD/DVD > - installation CD/DVD > - NETINST CDROM > - installable minimal live > - qcow/vagrant images > > **ARM:** > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/README.txt > > **Virtual machines:** > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/virtual/README.txt > > ## Upgrade to Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta > > Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta provides safe upgrade paths from Devuan 1.0 > Jessie, Debian 8.x Jessie, Debian 9.x Stretch. Just follow the > relevant instructions at: > https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii > https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/upgrade-to-ascii > > ## Feedback (we love that!) > > If you try to install Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta from a DVD or CD setup > please test it offline (i.e., without a network connection and without > a configured mirror). If something goes wrong please try it online > (i.e., with a network connection and a configured mirror). And then > please report your findings to us including the list of packages as > given by `dpkg -l | gzip -9 > packagelist.gz` and the output of `cat > /var/lib/pam/session > pamconfig.txt` > > Please get in touch with us through one of the community channels > listed below or on freenode #devuan-dev for real-time interaction. > > ## Information and contacts > > Web: http://www.devuan.org > Forum: http://dev1galaxy.org > BTS: http://bugs.devuan.org > IRC: #devuan (freenode) > > Journalists please note: this announcement of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta > release is mainly for internal testing not for wide redistribution. > An announcement for the Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable release will > hopefully follow very soon. > > happy hacking! > > The dev1 team > > [1] You can find an archive of the pre-alpha Valentine release message here: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180213.205150.929bbd85.en.html > [2] https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
Stefan Mark wrote on 14.02.2018 10:55: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100 > Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > >> **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:** >> http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii >> > 404 :) > I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/ Yes. 8^) And @all: Please keep in mind this is a _beta_, so we will inevitably hit some bumps along the ride. Best regards Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:55:46AM +0100, Stefan Mark wrote: > On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100 > Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > > > **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta at:** > > http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii > > > 404 :) > I think its https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/ fixed now HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
Just updated/upgraded my Devuan-ASCII after the announce, using Synaptic. Process was dodgy: some policykit packages had to be removed *before* upgrading task-desktop. Doing all at once would mark packages as broken. After the upgrade, the shutdown and reboot buttons in xfce just do the same as the button to terminate the session. No way to shutdown/reboot other than loging in as root. Sorry I don't remember the details of package names. Will do the ame operation with another machine soon. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
Am 2018-02-14 11:47, schrieb Didier Kryn: After the upgrade, the shutdown and reboot buttons in xfce just do the same as the button to terminate the session. No way to shutdown/reboot other than loging in as root. Looks like the same problem I had. If you have libpolkit-backend-systemd and libpolkit-gobject-systemd, replace them with libpolkit-backend-consolekit and libpolkit-gobject-consolekit. Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
PLEASE NOTE: The following only applies to already existing ASCII systems that got upgraded to the newest package versions as present in the repositories. Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. TL;DR - Make sure you got the correct libpolkit-backend installed! Background -- It would appear that under certain circumstances an unsuitable flavor of libpolkit-backend-1-0- gets pulled in upon upgrade. This can lead to a temporary loss of desktop session related functionality, namely the ability to user-mount removable drives or to shutdown/restart the system using the GUI controls provided by the respective desktop environment. The issue was ultimately caused by the recent addition of elogind to the repositories, or rather the repackaging of policykit-1 that followed suit. Resolution -- 1. Make sure you have at least one of (traditional) consolekit or (new) elogind installed. (Note: You can have both installed and active; which one is actually used however is decided by which libpolkit-backend you choose to install, see 4.) 2. Make sure (at least one of) the above is activated. You may do so by interactively running the 'pam-auth-update' command as root. 3. Ensure the following packages got installed: policykit-1 0.105-18+devuan2.4 libpolkit-agent-1-0 0.105-18+devuan2.4 4. Install one of the mutually exclusive policykit backend libs, i.e. - EITHER - libpolkit-backend-1-0-elogind 0.105-18+devuan2.4 and libpolkit-gobject-1-0-elogind 0.105-18+devuan2.4 - OR - libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit 0.105-18+devuan2.4 and libpolkit-gobject-1-0-consolekit 0.105-18+devuan2.4 depending on which session manager backend you intend to use, see 1. In case you find you have a backend with -systemd in the name installed: that one will _not_ work, and is most likely the cause why things went sideways in the first place. 5. After making changes to the session management you should either reboot the system or at least cycle through runlevel 1. Note: Depending on what login manager you use in conjunction with which desktop environment you might have to experiment a bit to find out which of consolekit or elogind works best for you (or works[TM] at all). Bottom line: As always in life, keep your backends covered. ;-) HTH, HANVD, and enjoy the ASCII Beta! Best regards Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] mount the USB memories in Ascii
Am 2018-02-14 14:29, schrieb Ismael L. Donis Garcia: > What should I configure so that a normal user can mount the USB memories? See Irrwahns mail "IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade."___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Le 14/02/2018 à 13:37, Irrwahn a écrit : PLEASE NOTE: The following only applies to already existing ASCII systems that got upgraded to the newest package versions as present in the repositories. Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. TL;DR - Make sure you got the correct libpolkit-backend installed! Background -- It would appear that under certain circumstances an unsuitable flavor of libpolkit-backend-1-0- gets pulled in upon upgrade. This can lead to a temporary loss of desktop session related functionality, namely the ability to user-mount removable drives or to shutdown/restart the system using the GUI controls provided by the respective desktop environment. The issue was ultimately caused by the recent addition of elogind to the repositories, or rather the repackaging of policykit-1 that followed suit. Resolution -- 1. Make sure you have at least one of (traditional) consolekit or (new) elogind installed. (Note: You can have both installed and active; which one is actually used however is decided by which libpolkit-backend you choose to install, see 4.) I had both elogind and consolekit. Removing consolekit forces removal of task-xfce-desktop and few other packages including slim. 2. Make sure (at least one of) the above is activated. You may do so by interactively running the 'pam-auth-update' command as root. 3. Ensure the following packages got installed: policykit-1 0.105-18+devuan2.4 libpolkit-agent-1-0 0.105-18+devuan2.4 4. Install one of the mutually exclusive policykit backend libs, i.e. - EITHER - libpolkit-backend-1-0-elogind 0.105-18+devuan2.4 and libpolkit-gobject-1-0-elogind 0.105-18+devuan2.4 Amazingly, I had libpolkit-backend-1.0-systemd installed! See your explanation below... - OR - libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit 0.105-18+devuan2.4 and libpolkit-gobject-1-0-consolekit 0.105-18+devuan2.4 depending on which session manager backend you intend to use, see 1. In case you find you have a backend with -systemd in the name installed: that one will _not_ work, and is most likely the cause why things went sideways in the first place. 5. After making changes to the session management you should either reboot the system or at least cycle through runlevel 1. Note: Depending on what login manager you use in conjunction with which desktop environment you might have to experiment a bit to find out which of consolekit or elogind works best for you (or works[TM] at all). Note that task-xfce-desktop requires slim and slim requires consolekit. I already had lightdm installed, but slim was the onein function. Tried dpkg-reconfigure lightdm, expecting to select the DM in function, but there was no dialog. After reboot, the lightdm greeting popped up. Xfce pannel's buttons for exit/reboot/shutdown now work properly. Mmc devices can now be mounted from the icon on xfce desktop - permission was denied before. Good job! If elogind is to be Devuan's default, then, for consistency, another DM than slim should be the default, and task-xfce-desktop should be modified acordingly. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
Very nice and well done, the new installer presets leave us spoilt for choice.. openrc and a bunch of desktops to choose from.. great stuff. chillfan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Am 2018-02-14 15:06, schrieb Didier Kryn: If elogind is to be Devuan's default, then, for consistency, another DM than slim should be the default, and task-xfce-desktop should be modified acordingly. There is no default, you can use what you want (consolekit/elogind). Since lightdm does not have a Devuan theme I use slim which has a nice theme. And since slim only works with consolekit, I installed the consolekit backend and removed elogind* completely. As I understand, elogind is systemd-logind repackaged as standalone daemon. And since I don't like poettering-ware, I decided to stay with consolekit. ;-) Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Didier Kryn wrote on 14.02.2018 15:06: > Le 14/02/2018 à 13:37, Irrwahn a écrit : [...] >> 1. Make sure you have at least one of (traditional) consolekit or (new) >> elogind installed. (Note: You can have both installed and active; which >> one is actually used however is decided by which libpolkit-backend you >> choose to install, see 4.) > I had both elogind and consolekit. > > Removing consolekit forces removal of task-xfce-desktop and few > other packages including slim. Removing consolekit isn't mandatory, but yes, in doing so one causes same breakage just as you described. [...] >> Note: Depending on what login manager you use in conjunction with which >> desktop environment you might have to experiment a bit to find out which >> of consolekit or elogind works best for you (or works[TM] at all). > > Note that task-xfce-desktop requires slim and slim requires consolekit. Correct. That however is not an accident, but more or less on purpose. > > I already had lightdm installed, but slim was the onein function. > Tried dpkg-reconfigure lightdm, expecting to select the DM in function, > but there was no dialog. After reboot, the lightdm greeting popped up. > Xfce pannel's buttons for exit/reboot/shutdown now work properly. Side note: It is absolutely possible to have the consolekit/slim/xfce combo working. Incidentally, that is exactly the setup that gets installed when you go all with the defaults during a fresh ASCII BETA installer run. > Mmc devices can now be mounted from the icon on xfce desktop - > permission was denied before. > > Good job! Glad that did help, you're welcome. :) > If elogind is to be Devuan's default, then, for consistency, > another DM than slim should be the default, and task-xfce-desktop should > be modified acordingly. (See side note above.) AIUI there has not even been any decision *if* there even will be a single default in this respect, at the very least for ASCII. Different flavors of desktop environments work more or less well with different combinations of session management and login manager, and consequently the various task-...-desktop meta-packages each come with their distinct preferred (but not necessarily mandatory) set of default dependencies. But mostly (at least going by my own experience during a few dozen test installations I did in the last days) it's a matter of taste and personal preference. That's the up- and the downside in providing freedom of choice, in a nutshell. :) Best regards Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
Hi, great news about Devuan! Am 14.02.2018 um 10:48 schrieb Veteran Unix Admins: > **Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta is available for amd64 and i386 in the > following flavours:** > > - installable live CD/DVD > - installation CD/DVD > - NETINST CDROM > - installable minimal live > - qcow/vagrant images Tested installation via PXE and netboot.tar.gz from https://packages.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ Worked flawless for a minimalistic system. Thanks for the great work! Regards Thomas ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:37:46 +0100 Irrwahn wrote: > It would appear that under certain circumstances an unsuitable > flavor of libpolkit-backend-1-0- gets pulled in upon upgrade. > This can lead to a temporary loss of desktop session related > functionality, namely the ability to user-mount removable drives or > to shutdown/restart the system using the GUI controls provided by the > respective desktop environment. The issue was ultimately caused by > the recent addition of elogind to the repositories, or rather the > repackaging of policykit-1 that followed suit. > > Resolution > -- > 1. Make sure you have at least one of (traditional) consolekit # apt-cache policy consolekit consolekit: Installed: 0.4.6-6 Candidate: 0.4.6-6 Version table: *** 0.4.6-6 500 500 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status >or > (new) elogind # apt-cache policy elogind elogind: Installed: (none) Candidate: 234.4-1+devuan1.5 Version table: 234.4-1+devuan1.5 500 500 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages >installed. > 3. Ensure the following packages got installed: > policykit-1 0.105-18+devuan2.4 > libpolkit-agent-1-0 0.105-18+devuan2.4 > # apt-cache policy policykit-1 policykit-1: Installed: 0.105-9+devuan1 Candidate: 0.105-18+devuan2.4 Version table: 0.105-18+devuan2.4 500 500 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages *** 0.105-9+devuan1 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status # apt-cache policy libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-agent-1-0: Installed: 0.105-9+devuan1 Candidate: 0.105-18+devuan2.4 Version table: 0.105-18+devuan2.4 500 500 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages *** 0.105-9+devuan1 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status # apt-get -s upgrade policykit-1 libpolkit-agent-1-0 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 The following NEW packages will be installed: elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind libpolkit-backend-1-0-systemd libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd The following packages have been kept back: boinc-client desktop-base libboinc7 The following packages will be upgraded: libpolkit-agent-1-0 policykit-1 2 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 2 to remove and 3 not upgraded. > 4. Install one of the mutually exclusive policykit backend libs, i.e. >- EITHER - > libpolkit-backend-1-0-elogind 0.105-18+devuan2.4 and > libpolkit-gobject-1-0-elogind 0.105-18+devuan2.4 > >- OR -apt-get > libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit 0.105-18+devuan2.4 and > libpolkit-gobject-1-0-consolekit 0.105-18+devuan2.4 > >depending on which session manager backend you intend to use, see > 1. # apt-get -s install libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd The following packages will be REMOVED: libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 The following NEW packages will be installed: elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd 0 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 2 to remove and 5 not upgraded. # apt-get -s install libpolkit-gobject-1-0-consolekit Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: colord-data libcolord2 libcolorhug2 libgusb2 Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. The following additional packages will be installed: libpolkit-agent-1-0 The following packages will be REMOVED: colord libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 policykit-1 The following NEW packages will be installed: libpolkit-gobject-1-0-consolekit The following packages will be upgraded: libpolkit-agent-1-0 1 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 4 to remove and 3 not upgraded. > >In case you find you have a backend with -systemd in the name > installed: that one will _not_ work, and is most likely the cause why > things went sideways in the first place. > I do not know anything like enough to do anything more than comment, but does the above indicate that the *-backend-systemd is being pulled in as a result of an unhelpful dependency chain. And why does the installation of libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit pull in elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd when consolekit has been installed in preference to elogind? My sources are these # deb http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh freesh main #deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan experimental main deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main deb ht
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Le 14/02/2018 à 15:32, Irrwahn a écrit : Removing consolekit isn't mandatory, but yes, in doing so one causes same breakage just as you described. Sure it is possible to have both Consolekit and Elogind, but can they be both active? Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Didier Kryn wrote on 14.02.2018 15:54: > Le 14/02/2018 à 15:32, Irrwahn a écrit : >> Removing consolekit isn't mandatory, but yes, in doing so one causes >> same breakage just as you described. > > Sure it is possible to have both Consolekit and Elogind, but can > they be both active? > > Didier Yes. Oh, how I would know, you might ask. Well, for a start, I'm typing this message on a desktop machine where it's the case. :) As I wrote in the OP: Which one gets the cookie, so to speak, is decided by the choice of polkit backend. Currently elogind here, but I could just as well swap it out for the consolekit backend library, should I decide to start my lightdm/Xfce desktop that way. Just go ahead, have your session management of the day! ;-P And kudos to the fine chaps that made it possible! Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
leloft wrote on 14.02.2018 15:46: [...] > I do not know anything like enough to do anything more than comment, but > does the above indicate that the *-backend-systemd is being pulled in > as a result of an unhelpful dependency chain. And why does the > installation of libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit pull in > elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd > when consolekit has been installed in preference to elogind? [...] It would appear so, but just now it's hard to put the finger on the exact spot where things are wired wrong. This is but one of the kinks to expect in beta release, and the very reason why there is a beta released in the first place. I'm sure it will eventually get sorted out. And, FWIW, the backend-systemd could IMHO easily be dropped entirely, as it would be rather peculiar for someone to actually try and force a genuine systemd package into Devuan, of all systems. ;o) Best regards Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Le 14/02/2018 à 16:21, Irrwahn a écrit : Sure it is possible to have both Consolekit and Elogind, but can they be both active? Didier Yes. Oh, how I would know, you might ask. Well, for a start, I'm typing this message on a desktop machine where it's the case.:) As I wrote in the OP: Which one gets the cookie, so to speak, is decided by the choice of polkit backend. Currently elogind here, but I could just as well swap it out for the consolekit backend library, should I decideto start my lightdm/Xfce desktop that way. Just go ahead, have your session management of the day!;-P Did that, I reinstalled slim and made it the DM in charge. Everything works fine, except slim has lost its beautifull background. Now its background is just grey. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Am 2018-02-14 17:05, schrieb Didier Kryn: Everything works fine, except slim has lost its beautifull background. Now its background is just grey. Yout /etc/slim.conf should have a line current_theme desktop-slim-theme And the theme files are in package desktop-base. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Xfce 4.12 broken with Zaphod heads mode
Congrats on the release of ASCII beta today. In my testing, I am finding that Xfce 4.12 no longer appears capable of working nicely with my Xorg Zphod heads mode setup. I do have the separate screens and desktops and panels for each, but when I launch an Xfce Terminal on Screen 1, it is opened on Screen 0. Some apps launched on Screen 1 do display on Screen 1, but it just seems to depend on the app. It's likely that I don't know (or forgot) all of the mechanisms involved with apps displaying on a given screen/desktop. I've been using the Zaphod heads mode for a number of years with two monitors and two independent desktops (one for each with four workspaces on each desktop). This is a workflow that is essential for the way I use this desktop computer. I recall this has worked without issue since at least Debian 6 series through Devuan Jessie. Does anyone have any ideas before I move this upstream? - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Didier Kryn wrote on 14.02.2018 17:05: > Le 14/02/2018 à 16:21, Irrwahn a écrit : [...] >> Just go ahead, have your session management of the day!;-P > > Did that, I reinstalled slim and made it the DM in charge. > Everything works fine, except slim has lost its beautifull background. > Now its background is just grey. > > Didier H ... you might try to (re-)install the desktop-base package from Devuan. It has the theme for slim IIRC (among other stuff). Urban -- -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: > Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd policykit backend was pulled. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 19:20: > On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: > >> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. > > Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd > policykit backend was pulled. That's a first AFAICT. Noted. Thanks, Hleb! :) Oh, you wouldn't have by any chance saved the package list in that state? In the unlikely case you have, could you please email it to me? Thanks again & best regards Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Irrwahn wrote on 14.02.2018 19:46: > Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 19:20: >> On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: >> >>> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. >> >> Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd >> policykit backend was pulled. > > That's a first AFAICT. Noted. Thanks, Hleb! :) > > Oh, you wouldn't have by any chance saved the package list in that state? > In the unlikely case you have, could you please email it to me? P.S.: I forgot to ask: Did you use a package mirror or did you perform a purely offline install? Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P
Dear Dev1rs, we know that many of us are experiencing enormous ETAs on downloading ASCII Beta images from http://files.devuan.org The reason is that we just didn't expect so many people were waiting for ASCII to come out. Here is a snaphot of the MRTG from one of Devuan's servers in the last 20 hours: http://katolaz.homeunix.net/tmp/ascii_beta_release.png We have served iso downloads to several thousands unique IPs, and at the moment we have several hundred parallel active connections. OVH has kindly increased the upload bw on our servers, and we are currently working to make additional servers available. Well, it seems that they are right in saying that love can be "suffocating", at times :D In the meanwhile, the best way to get ASCII beta images as soon as possible is to back off for a few hours, let the (many) mirrors use the availale bandwidth to sync as fast as they can, and then download the images from one of the mirrors listed at http://www.devuan.org We know that the following mirrors have at least the images for desktop-live and embedded, and some of them have netinst and/or some install DVD/CD as well: https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/ http://devuan.smallinnovations.nl/ https://mirror.datacenterlight.ch/mirror/devuan/ http://sledjhamr.org/devuan-cd/ https://mirror.belltower.us/devuan/ http://devuan.unetresgrossebite.com/ http://devuan.c3l.lu/devuan_ascii_beta/ https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/devuan-cd/devuan_ascii_beta/ https://devuan.contrast.network/ https://mirror.belltower.us/devuan/ http://files.devuan.mine.nu/ Please verify the SHA256SUMS and the corresponding signatures. They are signed with the corresponding developer keys, listed at: https://devuan.org/os/team/ We are sorry for the inconvenience caused. We are working at improving our infrastructure to cope with the increasing demand of the Devuan community. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Am Mittwoch, 14. Februar 2018 schrieb Irrwahn: > Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 19:20: > > On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: > > > >> Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. > > > > Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd > > policykit backend was pulled. > > That's a first AFAICT. Noted. Thanks, Hleb! :) > > Oh, you wouldn't have by any chance saved the package list in that state? > In the unlikely case you have, could you please email it to me? > > Thanks again & best regards > Urban > Hi! On my system it tried to pull in libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd. The reason was aptitude: "twin-trinity" (which is installed) provides "x-display-manager" was ignored, instead aptitude resolved by some obscure reason that the not installed "cinnamon" provides "x-display-manager", so "libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd" has to be installed (but not "cinnamon"), ignoring "twin-trinity" which already provides "x-display-manager". The second solution that aptitude resolved did not pull in "libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd", so that was no big issue. After I followed your advise giving in https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180214.123746.e89eaef8.en.html (I decided to go with elogind) aptitude did resove correctly. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. >>> Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd >>> policykit backend was pulled. >> That's a first AFAICT. Noted. Thanks, Hleb! :) >> Oh, you wouldn't have by any chance saved the package list in that state? >> In the unlikely case you have, could you please email it to me? I created a ascii chroot using debootstrap and then installed task-xfce-desktop using interactive mode of aptitude, which showed 2 broken packages - backend and gobject of policykit. It was the previous weekend, so there is tiny chance that the is issue has been solved already (for clean installations). > P.S.: > I forgot to ask: Did you use a package mirror or did you perform a purely > offline install? I used http://deb.devuan.org/merged ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586
Ran into this when trying to move an old box with a Via C3 CPU from Debian jessie (last release to support i586) to Devuan jessie: System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub. Don't think there's any use putting work into fixing that, just mentioning it here before anyone else tries ;) Alex. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote on 14.02.2018 21:35: [...] > On my system it tried to pull in libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd. The reason > was aptitude: "twin-trinity" (which is installed) provides > "x-display-manager" was ignored, instead aptitude resolved by some obscure > reason that the not installed "cinnamon" provides "x-display-manager", so > "libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd" has to be installed (but not "cinnamon"), > ignoring "twin-trinity" which already provides "x-display-manager". > > The second solution that aptitude resolved did not pull in > "libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd", so that was no big issue. > > After I followed your advise giving in > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20180214.123746.e89eaef8.en.html (I > decided to go with elogind) aptitude did resove correctly. Hi, thank you for your valuable feedback! We will definitely have to have a closer look at the dependency chains in that whole area. Best regards Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Hleb Valoshka wrote on 14.02.2018 21:54: > On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: > Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd policykit backend was pulled. >>> That's a first AFAICT. Noted. Thanks, Hleb! :) >>> Oh, you wouldn't have by any chance saved the package list in that state? >>> In the unlikely case you have, could you please email it to me? > > I created a ascii chroot using debootstrap and then installed > task-xfce-desktop using interactive mode of aptitude, which showed 2 > broken packages - backend and gobject of policykit. It was the > previous weekend, so there is tiny chance that the is issue has been > solved already (for clean installations). That might indeed be the case, as there were some last-minute changes to the policykit packages right before the beta release. >> P.S.: >> I forgot to ask: Did you use a package mirror or did you perform a purely >> offline install? > > I used http://deb.devuan.org/merged That's fine, then. Thanks for the info! :) Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586
Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56: > Ran into this when trying to move an old box with a Via C3 CPU > from Debian jessie (last release to support i586) to Devuan jessie: > System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub. [...] Now that is particularly odd, as grub is not among the packages that were forked by Devuan but rather is merged from Debian. Urban -- Sapere aude! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586
...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09:17PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: > Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56: > > System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub. > Now that is particularly odd, as grub is not among the packages > that were forked by Devuan but rather is merged from Debian. Agh, odd indeed. Just my bad luck again? It is old hardware after all... Ok, currently reinstalling Debian, and then I'll try again (and if it fails a second time, I'll try the Devuan installer directly). Alex. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100 Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > Dear dev1rs > > the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release > of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins > declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2]. > That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years > later, Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community. The > long-awaited release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568) > is here! > > ## So what's new in Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta? > > - OpenRC is installable using the expert install path >(thanks Maemo Leste!) > > - eudev has replaced systemd-udev (thanks Gentoo!) > > - elogind has been added as an alternative to consolekit > (thanks Gentoo!) > > - Desktop users can choose among fully functional XFCE (Default), KDE, > Cinnamon, LXQT, MATE, and LXDE desktops > > - CLI-oriented users can select the "Console productivity" task that > installs a fully-featured set of console-based utils and tools. > > - A .vdi disk image is now provided for use with VirtualBox. > > - ARM board kernels have been updated to 4.14 and 4.15 for most > boards. Holy cow, you're leaving Debian behind. Our own udev and consolekit replacements! Very, very nice! SteveT ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P
On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:54:35 + KatolaZ wrote: > we know that many of us are experiencing enormous ETAs on downloading > ASCII Beta images from http://files.devuan.org > > The reason is that we just didn't expect so many people were waiting > for ASCII to come out. Here is a snaphot of the MRTG from one of > Devuan's servers in the last 20 hours: > > http://katolaz.homeunix.net/tmp/ascii_beta_release.png > > We have served iso downloads to several thousands unique IPs, and at > the moment we have several hundred parallel active connections. OVH > has kindly increased the upload bw on our servers, and we are > currently working to make additional servers available. > > Well, it seems that they are right in saying that love can be > "suffocating", at times :D > > In the meanwhile, the best way to get ASCII beta images as soon as > possible is to back off for a few hours, let the (many) mirrors use > the availale bandwidth to sync as fast as they can, and then download > the images from one of the mirrors listed at http://www.devuan.org Why not offer a BittTrrent download ? Cheers, Ron. -- America, you may call this an election, but the rest of the world is viewing this as your I.Q. test. And it is not looking good. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586
...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27:32PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote: > Ok, currently reinstalling Debian, and then I'll try again WTF - installing from the latest Debian live CD (8.10.5-20180118), the same thing happens... How did this ever work? Sorry for the false alarm. Alex. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 06:50:49PM -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: [cut] > > > > Well, it seems that they are right in saying that love can be > > "suffocating", at times :D > > > > In the meanwhile, the best way to get ASCII beta images as soon as > > possible is to back off for a few hours, let the (many) mirrors use > > the availale bandwidth to sync as fast as they can, and then download > > the images from one of the mirrors listed at http://www.devuan.org > > Why not offer a BittTrrent download ? > Because it's a Beta. The stable will obviously have a torrent. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27:32PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote: > ...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09:17PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: > > > Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56: > > > System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub. > > Now that is particularly odd, as grub is not among the packages > > that were forked by Devuan but rather is merged from Debian. > > Agh, odd indeed. Just my bad luck again? It is old hardware > after all... As far as i understand, GCC 6 in Devuan and Debian uses by default march=i686. This default setting is used when building all the packages for the i386 arch. So your C3 is probably too old. You could rebuild gcc package using another default value for march in a e.g. VM. and then install this package and rebuild all packages you need on your C3 machine based on that ;-) But thats quite some work to do. Andreas -- gnuPG keyid: 8C2BAF51 fingerprint: 28EE 8438 E688 D992 3661 C753 90B3 BAAA 8C2B AF51 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII Beta: too much love? :P
KatolaZ wrote: >> Why not offer a BittTrrent download ? > > Because it's a Beta. The stable will obviously have a torrent. Perhaps I'm missing something, but why does being a beta preclude offering a torrent ? It looks like it would have made a huge difference to distributing the file(s). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?
devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same? The reason I am asking is in the past couple of months I witnessed ups and downs where there were differences and packages existing on one repository naming scheme and the other differed, making upgrade procedures to produce different results. In some cases a few weeks ago and while testing the ascii distribution the upgrade through the onion address caused total failure of a very functional installation. A first indication that something was seriously wrong was about the time that OpenRC and eudev had made it to ascii but at a different naming scheme than they existed in experimental. Eventually through some help from fsmithred for older installations with OpenRC the eudev upgrade was possible in ascii. In new installations of ascii where OpenRC and eudev were to be installed the primary problem reappeared as it was evident back in December. The pkgs were there but some dependencies were missing. Weird as it was switching to the pkgmaster.devuan.org names of the repositories the missing pkgs WERE there. After nearly a month has passed NOBODY from the devuan forum cared to transfer this puzzling behavior here. It is evident as per the archives of this list that this problem had appeared before, "before it was announced that the onion repositories had been forwarding to pkgmaster without the users knowing that they had been kicked over to a beta system", and a fault with "pkgmaster" and amprolla3 had been taken care of. Obviously the problem reappeared later. After all kinds of havoc and banning of the person reporting the problem took place in the "officially official devuan forum" the behavior of the variability of the two claimed identical repositories seemed to have magically cured itself yet again. So here is the bottom line technical question as per advise by devuan forum admins to be raised here: We have repository.corporation.name.com = tziberish.onion and the later one points exactly at the same server (claimed to be amprolla3 powered pkgmaster). You udpate on that repository and you get a release file and a gpg key that verifies the validity of that release file. You switch between the two names, and it "reloads" updates that file as it is a different "new" file, with the same gpg key. Why is this? Why if it the same server doesn't apt (or apt-get) recognize it as the same release file? What are the implications of a repository being claimed to be the same with two addresses and in fact being a different, even if slightly different, or even if the contents are the same but it is actually a different server? How long were onion address users exposed to a beta repository system before they were told they had been "pushed over to it"? Gus, from sysdfree.wordpress.org --> not the same person that was banned from the forum. PS Since GoLinux had a month to transfer this complaint and this issue here for technical advise and chose to keep it a secret from the list, I shall hope GoLinux will respect the OP and do not express any opinion on the matter, just so tones can be kept at a low level, if that can be possible. PS2 If one cares to look back at the archives about the following: (libcommons-pool-java and eclypse package) problems, one would find that the problem had been reported to the list before and there was assurance that the problem in amprolla3 had been "fixed". It seems as the problem wasn't permanently fixed or even addressed the correct way. It was just specifically showing as a non-continuing problem. PS3 Maybe irrelevant, but could ascii exacerbate some problems as going from jessie to ascii packages may have a lower number version in ascii than in jessie, which makes the installation different than if it was a straight ascii build? And those packages must be devuan specific (or specifically held back) as such things wouldn't happen from a true debian repository.___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] MATE issues: Re: IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 21:20 +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote: > On 2/14/18, Irrwahn wrote: > > > Fresh installations of Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta should not be affected. > > Actually no, i've installed Ascii for testing purposes and systemd > policykit backend was pulled. What is dragging in elogind? I did an apt-get upgrade from an earlier version of ASCII and still have not upgraded policykit-1 (current is 0.105-18+devuan2.1). However, that upgrade installed the following elogind packages: elogind 234.4-1+devuan1.5 libelogind0:amd64234.4-1+devuan1.5 libpam-elogind:amd64 234.4-1+devuan1.5 apt-get upgrade shows: The following packages have been kept back: gir1.2-polkit-1.0 libpolkit-agent-1-0 policykit-1 Desktop is MATE. Doing a dist-upgrade would remove the following packages(i.e. a catastrophy): colord gir1.2-mate-polkit libpolkit-gtk-mate-1-0 mate-applets mate-control- center mate-desktop-environment mate-desktop-environment-core mate-panel mate- polkit mate-power-manager mate-settings-daemon policykit-1 synaptic Trying selectively gives: apt-get -s install policykit-1 OK: The following packages will be REMOVED: libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 Not OK, here the consolekit backend packages should have been installed: The following NEW packages will be installed: libpolkit-backend-1-0-systemd libpolkit-gobject-1-0-systemd OK: The following packages will be upgraded: gir1.2-polkit-1.0 libpolkit-agent-1-0 policykit-1 This command intend to do the right thing: apt-get -s install policykit-1 libpolkit-backend-1-0-consolekit libpolkit- gobject-1-0-consolekit As a first step, why not just remove the systemd backend packages? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Le 14/02/2018 à 17:17, J. Fahrner a écrit : Am 2018-02-14 17:05, schrieb Didier Kryn: Everything works fine, except slim has lost its beautifull background. Now its background is just grey. Yout /etc/slim.conf should have a line current_theme desktop-slim-theme And the theme files are in package desktop-base The line is there in /etc/slim.conf And the file exists in several places: root@apcnb98:/home/kryn# locate desktop-slim-theme /etc/alternatives/desktop-slim-theme /usr/share/slim/themes/desktop-slim-theme /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/desktop-slim-theme Le 14/02/2018 à 18:32, Irrwahn a écrit : H ... you might try to (re-)install the desktop-base package from Devuan. It has the theme for slim IIRC (among other stuff). Did it with no effect - I did a reboot. Probably just restarting slim would have sufficed. Still grey. BTW the file isn't found by apt-file: root@apcnb98:/home/kryn# apt-file search desktop-slim-theme root@apcnb98:/home/kryn# Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:24:27PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: > devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever > been the same? > They are the same machine and always have been (since late September or early October 2017, more or less). The rewrites on pkgmaster are to the corresponding Debian mirrors. The rewrites on the onion address are on the corresponding Debian onion address. We don't have control on them. You won't believe it, but you are not the only one using tor here, but apparently the only one reporting problems on tor. Have you considered the possibility that there might be a problem either in your config or in the way you access the repos via tor? You should use tor:// or tor+http:// with the onion address, and http:// or https:// with pkgmaster. The reason is that the whole thing is based on FQDNs http rewrites., and if you mix them up you might experience problems. Again: nothing has changed since October in the way we redirect the onion address. Nothing at all. Also, even if not relevant, pkgmaster.devuan.org and auto.mirror.devuan.org have the very same set of packages (pkgmaster gets its package lists from the same source auto.mirror gets its package lists), so other speculations about inconsistent repos are not supported by any logic. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:24:27PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: [cut] > > PS3 Maybe irrelevant, but could ascii exacerbate some problems as going > from jessie to ascii packages may have a lower number version in ascii than > in jessie, which makes the installation different than if it was a straight > ascii build? And those packages must be devuan specific (or specifically > held back) as such things wouldn't happen from a true debian repository. You should substantiate your claims with evidence, not with suppsitions that based on what could or could not happen. Have you tried upgrading to ascii from jessie? Have you had any specific problems related to package version numbers? Can you indicate a specific case in which a package has a lower number in Devuan ascii than in Devuan jesssie? Please provide a detailed report of any such glitch you have encountered, with a complete dump of your /etc/apt/sources.list, content of /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, and full content of /etc/apt/preferences.d HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?
Original Message On February 15, 2018 1:28 AM, KatolaZ wrote: >On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 05:24:27PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: >>devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever >>been the same? >> > > They are the same machine and always have been (since late September > or early October 2017, more or less). The rewrites on pkgmaster are to > the corresponding Debian mirrors. The rewrites on the onion address > are on the corresponding Debian onion address. We don't have control > on them. Ohh so it has been "that" long that onion repository users have been beta testing amprolla3? And when has the announcement been placed for users to be aware? > You won't believe it, but you are not the only one using tor here, but > apparently the only one reporting problems on tor. Have you considered > the possibility that there might be a problem either in your config or > in the way you access the repos via tor? Apparently you didn't read the whole message or reviewed the archive, but I believe you, yourself, was involved in this early december list discussion about someone testifying to what I am saying. Packages available through "the other repositories" were not available throug the onion address. It seems as you are aware of the problem that I am reporting as it was reported in the forum, before this message appeared on the list. How long has this been? Why didn't you get involved in the forum when the problem was reported? If there was a problem on "our" side why didn't it ever appear as a problem in any of the mutlitude of debian based installations. I'd like to think that if it is a consequence of a bad practice it would appear in Debian as well. Not once, I assure you. > You should use tor:// or tor+http:// with the onion address, and > http:// or https:// with pkgmaster. The reason is that the whole thing > is based on FQDNs http rewrites., and if you mix them up you might > experience problems. Are you saying now, and this is a new take on explaining the unexplainable, and please readers feel free to intervene here and point out the obvious to me, what is the problem of reaching pkgmaster via tor://pkgmaster.devuan.org? All you would know, being the gate keeper on the repository side, is that someone through https:// is reaching pkgmaster from the exit node. Nothing else! If you can see something, other than "graylisting" tor exit nodes, I am sure the torpoject people would like to know. The difference with an onion address is that the connection doesn't go out to clearnet to reach the destination, but the target is one and the same. Right? I don't know what is going on with the internals of the repository and I don't know whether the "users" would care to know. The questions was simple, are they or are they not the same. What is your response? Beating around the bush? How do your internals separate a hit on an onion address from one from clearnet so amprolla3 and is forwarding those to the debian.onion address? This brings a new twist into the equation. You are forwarding one connection out of tor and back into tor and onto debian. I am not sure this is a good idea as far as anonymity is concerned. As has been reported by torproject, not yet explained, somehow if you make "one connection" through tor, out in clearnet and back through tor your identity is revealed. * Are you saying this is what amprolla3 has been doing since 9-10/2017? But where has this practice been documented before this "official" announcement? Here you are admitting the onion address is NOT the same with packagemaster because the forwarding is done to two separate debian addresses. Yoy can only be responsible with your addressing scheme, there is no way for you to certify that the debian.org and its onion address are the same, just the same way we are trying to establish whether they are in fact the same here. It is pretty clear on our side that "occassionaly" they have not been as when you do an update on pkgmaster and it says no upgrades, and consecutively you do the same on the onion address and shows both pkgs to be upgraded and pkgs to be removed (apt-get dist-upgrade), or when in the same time frame openrc and eudev were available with dependencies on ascii but dependencies were missing through the onion address (no other changes to repository structure, just the address). > Again: nothing has changed since October in the way we redirect the > onion address. Nothing at all. Also, even if not relevant, >pkgmaster.devuan.org and auto.mirror.devuan.org have the very same set > of packages (pkgmaster gets its package lists from the same source > auto.mirror gets its package lists), so other speculations about > inconsistent repos are not supported by any logic. No, it is not relevant. What is relevant is whether the onion address points to pkgmaster at this point. You are bringing a non-issu
Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 07:43:30PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: [cut] > > Obviously the way you are handling the response to me is evidence that there > is something to the story. > > PLEASE do not forget to point us to the reference on when was there a public > announcement that onion address users were shoved over to a beta testing > system. I simply have missed it. > > What I am trying to establish here is trust in devuan's officially announced > means of accessing the repositories. How important this may be is an other > issue I do not care to discuss here. We are all mature kids we can think for > ourselves. It is not clear at all what you want to "establish" here. The officially announced means of accessing Devuan repositories are explained at www.devuan.org. The repositories are signed with the signatures available in the package devuan-keyring. The fact that the onion address points to a server or another is irrelevant. You have to trust the signatures on the Release files, and this is done automatically by apt. Alternatively, you can download the pubkeys, download the InRelease files, and verify them by hand. You don't seem to have any specific technical issue to point out, only rants to vomit. And your preference for writing long emails do not help identifying the technical content (if any) which you are referring to. You have not yet provided a technical description of the kind of breakage you have experienced, if any. Please be specific, and we will try to help you. HTH KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
Please don''t let the Grouch break up your valentine party but would anyone care to elaborate on the following scenario? We have Joe, Jill, Jack, and Mindy. Joe is running Wheezy and converts to Ascii Jill is running Devuan 1 Jessie and converts to ascii Jack is running Stretch and converts to Ascii and finally Mindy just installs Ascii-beta-2.0 Don't ask me, I have been running ascii for a quite a while now and my experience with Jessie has been from first boot to the second. And I have run OpenRC and eudev ever since they appeared in experimental. All four of the above have same packages installed in the versions that they exist in those 4 situations. 1 Is the end product different? 2 Should the end product be different. 3 The packages that are available and keep upgrading in the debian branch of merged, do they appear to all four of them as they do in the debian repository? In other words If you add debian stretch to the repositories the versions "in merged ascii" and in stretch should be the same. right? Live at any given minute? That is what amprolla3 is doing, right? Are they? Because as per a couple of hours ago it seems as I have been exposed to this amprolla3 for 4-5 months now, without knowing, and although I run about the same stuff on a test debian isntallations, pkgs there rain down to the level of about 20-30/day, while ascii has been pretty inactive in terms of upgrades. So what exactly is merged with devuan? Original Message On February 14, 2018 11:44 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:48:20 +0100 > Veteran Unix Admins free...@devuan.org wrote: > >>Dear dev1rs >>the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! >>On February 14th 2015, Devuan unveiled a "pre-alpha" Valentine release >> of Devuan Jessie [1] just a few months after the Veteran Unix Admins >> declared their intention to fork Debian on November 27th 2014 [2]. >> That was the beginning of our collective journey. Now, three years >> later, Valentine's day has more love for the Devuan community. The >> long-awaited release of Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta (minor planet nr. 3568) >> is here! >>So what's new in Devuan 2.0 ASCII Beta? >> >> >> - OpenRC is installable using the expert install path >> (thanks Maemo Leste!) >> >> - eudev has replaced systemd-udev (thanks Gentoo!) >> >> - elogind has been added as an alternative to consolekit >> (thanks Gentoo!) >> >> - Desktop users can choose among fully functional XFCE (Default), KDE, >> Cinnamon, LXQT, MATE, and LXDE desktops >> >> - CLI-oriented users can select the "Console productivity" task that >> installs a fully-featured set of console-based utils and tools. >> >> - A .vdi disk image is now provided for use with VirtualBox. >> >> - ARM board kernels have been updated to 4.14 and 4.15 for most >> boards. >> >> > Holy cow, you're leaving Debian behind. Our own udev and consolekit > replacements! Very, very nice! > > SteveT > >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?
If you are officially representing Devuan and "a long email" described why Devuan should not be trusted, I'd say it is your problem the inability to read and understand the technical content. If you are really unable to understand the technical content of this "long email" then you are definetely the wrong person to be "officially" responding. What else is there to say? If I no longer trust devuan for the very specific reasons and evidence I have provided why would I have a technical problem and if I did why would I trust you to help me with it? End of story, I think. Nowhere in either of my two previous "long messages" have I even hinted to a "personal issue or technical problem I need help with". Your response is every proof I needed that there is something fishy going on. It may be legal to be deceiving people but the question is whether it is ethical and whether once you discover a rat are you responsible to make the discovery public. That is the dilemma. There is nothing technical about it! Original Message On February 15, 2018 3:04 AM, KatolaZ wrote: >On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 07:43:30PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: > > [cut] > >>Obviously the way you are handling the response to me is evidence that there >>is something to the story. >>PLEASE do not forget to point us to the reference on when was there a public >>announcement that onion address users were shoved over to a beta testing >>system. I simply have missed it. >>What I am trying to establish here is trust in devuan's officially announced >>means of accessing the repositories. How important this may be is an other >>issue I do not care to discuss here. We are all mature kids we can think for >>ourselves. >> > > > It is not clear at all what you want to "establish" here. > > The officially announced means of accessing Devuan repositories are > explained at www.devuan.org. The repositories are signed with the > signatures available in the package devuan-keyring. The fact that the > onion address points to a server or another is irrelevant. You have to > trust the signatures on the Release files, and this is done > automatically by apt. Alternatively, you can download the pubkeys, > download the InRelease files, and verify them by hand. > > You don't seem to have any specific technical issue to point out, only > rants to vomit. And your preference for writing long emails do not > help identifying the technical content (if any) which you are > referring to. > > You have not yet provided a technical description of the kind of > breakage you have experienced, if any. > > Please be specific, and we will try to help you. > > HTH > > KatolaZ > > >[ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] > [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] > [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] > [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] > [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] > >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?
Fungal-net, could you please tone down, and furthermore condense your critique, such that it can be read and understood? If you have found a gap in the documentation that causes trouble to users, please point it out. Kind regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
On Wed, 2018-02-14 at 20:07 -0500, Fungal-net wrote: > Because as per a couple of hours ago it seems as I have been exposed > to this amprolla3 for 4-5 months now, without knowing, and although I > run about the same stuff on a test debian isntallations, pkgs there > rain down to the level of about 20-30/day, while ascii has been > pretty inactive in terms of upgrades. So what exactly is merged with > devuan? Hi Fungus, Instead of asking, I think you should just point the browser of your choice at the public repository: http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/ Here you can browse everything served up by pkgmaster. You might want to start with the /devuan and /merged directories. Next, you can do something like: curl -v http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/ And follow that up with: torsocks curl -v http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged/dists/ In both cases, you should get the same content. The only exception (that I'm aware) would be the pkgmaster rewrites for Debian hosted packages. That is, if Devuan didn't have to alter a package because we didn't need to, then we allow Debian to provide it. So, for example, when I curl this package: curl -v http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN-SECURITY/updates /main/a/apache2/apache2_2.4.10-10+deb8u11_amd64.deb I end up with this as the redirect: < Location: http://deb.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/a/a pache2/apache2_2.4.10-10+deb8u11_amd64.deb But, if I curl through torsocks: torsocks curl -v http://devuanfwojg73k6r.onion/merged/pool/DEBIAN-SECUR ITY/updates/main/a/apache2/apache2_2.4.10-10+deb8u11_amd64.deb I end up with a tor redirect: < Location: http://sgvtcaew4bxjd7ln.onion/debian-security/pool/updates/ main/a/apache2/apache2_2.4.10-10+deb8u11_amd64.deb Truly, I think KatolaZ can write e-mail until his fingers fall off and you will not believe him. However, the above should be enough to get started in conducting your own experiments. You don't have to believe or trust me, KatolaZ, or anybody else. You are a mature person who can can think for himself. AND .. if you do find something odd/wrong, you'll have the commands to give everybody to prove that you are right. This may have the side- effect of allowing us to find and fix any problems as well. Good luck! Best, Patrick ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 Beta released
Thanks for your accurate answer Patrick if Fungal keeps pontifying unsubstantiated claims and denigrating conspiracy theories against us after your answer, it will be banned from here too. OTOH to anyone who is reading and wants to bring to our attention a problem in beta: you are welcome to express it in detail and based on the troubleshooting method Patrick suggests. We will be grateful. But none of the problems raised were so far proven and, in case they are, they all refer to a pre-beta and now beta system (ASCII) which we are keen to fix. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] warning: Devuan jessie i386 doesn't boot on i586
On 14 February 2018 23:06:34 CET, Andreas Messer wrote: >On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27:32PM +0100, Alexander Bochmann wrote: >> ...on Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:09:17PM +0100, Irrwahn wrote: >> >> > Alexander Bochmann wrote on 14.02.2018 21:56: >> > > System resets before even loading Devuan-built grub. >> > Now that is particularly odd, as grub is not among the packages >> > that were forked by Devuan but rather is merged from Debian. >> >> Agh, odd indeed. Just my bad luck again? It is old hardware >> after all... > >As far as i understand, GCC 6 in Devuan and Debian uses >by default march=i686. This default setting is used when building >all the packages for the i386 arch. oh, this is so sad :-( I wish we can fix this one day... ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?
Forwarding to the ML because I messed up the recipient. On February 15, 2018 3:43:30 AM GMT+03:00, Fungal-net wrote: >Are you saying now, and this is a new take on explaining the >unexplainable, and please readers feel free to intervene here and point >out the obvious to me, what is the problem of reaching pkgmaster via >tor://pkgmaster.devuan.org? All you would know, being the gate keeper >on the repository side, is that someone through https:// is reaching >pkgmaster from the exit node. Nothing else! If you can see something, >other than "graylisting" tor exit nodes, I am sure the torpoject people >would like to know. The difference with an onion address is that the >connection doesn't go out to clearnet to reach the destination, but the >target is one and the same. Right? It means that when you access https://pkgmaster.d.o, the clearnet debian repos are used for any unmodified packages, and if you use the onion, the tor repositories are used. >I don't know what is going on with the internals of the repository and >I don't know whether the "users" would care to know. The questions was >simple, are they or are they not the same. What is your response? >Beating around the bush? Nice accusation but you haven't provided any technical details and frankly nobody gives a flying fsck about your accusations. Provide technical evidence or be quiet. > As has been reported by torproject, not yet explained, somehow >if you make "one connection" through tor, out in clearnet and back >through tor your identity is revealed. * How is this relevant? The only one making clearnet connections (if any) would be pkgmaster, and it already has a public IP. This feels like fearmongering. >But where has this practice been documented before this "official" >announcement? Here you are admitting the onion address is NOT the same >with packagemaster because the forwarding is done to two separate >debian addresses. No, he just said that the debian clearnet repo is used for https, and debian tor repo is used for tor. >It is obviously a logic problem when you say that they are the same >when you describe that they aren't. Am I crazy here or did you just >admit that an onion connection is forwarded differently than a clearnet >connection? Yes, he did, and this is perfectly fine. >And it is obvious that even though I make a clear reference that on >this list the problem was brought up in early December just as I >described it, it was cared for and addressed then, it was reported "as >fixed" for that particular occasion. Did you forget it, do you >selectively pretend it is an isolated issue that only occurs "here" and >you are clueless to how many people witnessed the problem, or is with >"your logic" the issue a non-problem if only one person reports on it? Evidence. >Obviously the way you are handling the response to me is evidence that >there is something to the story. Or it's simply evidence that you're talking out of your backend. >PLEASE do not forget to point us to the reference on when was there a >public announcement that onion address users were shoved over to a beta >testing system. I simply have missed it. amprolla3 has been stable for a while now, IDK what you're talking about. m712(); -- https://nextchan.org -- https://gitgud.io/blazechan/blazechan I am awake between 3AM-8PM UTC, HMU if the site's broken signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?
Forwarding to the ML because I messed up the recipient. On February 15, 2018 4:21:03 AM GMT+03:00, Fungal-net wrote: >If you are officially representing Devuan and "a long email" described >why Devuan should not be trusted, I'd say it is your problem the >inability to read and understand the technical content. If you are >really unable to understand the technical content of this "long email" >then you are definetely the wrong person to be "officially" responding. What technical content? >What else is there to say? If I no longer trust devuan for the very >specific reasons and evidence I have provided why would I have a >technical problem and if I did why would I trust you to help me with >it? What exact evidence? Please, I must be fscking stupid, explain it in simple terms. >Your response is every proof I needed that there is something fishy >going on. It may be legal to be deceiving people but the question is >whether it is ethical and whether once you discover a rat are you >responsible to make the discovery public. That is the dilemma. There >is nothing technical about it! You're free to conspire until the end of time mate, it doesn't change the fact that it's still bullsh!t. m712(); -- https://nextchan.org -- https://gitgud.io/blazechan/blazechan I am awake between 3AM-8PM UTC, HMU if the site's broken signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IMPORTANT! How to fix degraded session management after Devuan ASCII upgrade.
Am 2018-02-14 23:51, schrieb Didier Kryn: The line is there in /etc/slim.conf And the file exists in several places: root@apcnb98:/home/kryn# locate desktop-slim-theme /etc/alternatives/desktop-slim-theme /usr/share/slim/themes/desktop-slim-theme /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/desktop-slim-theme Ok, now try "update-alternatives --config desktop-slim-theme" and select the theme devuan-curve-darkpurpy. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] devuanfwojg73k6r.onion and pkgmaster.devuan.org are they and have they ever been the same?
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 08:21:03PM -0500, Fungal-net wrote: > > Your response is every proof I needed that there is something fishy going on. > It may be legal to be deceiving people but the question is whether it is > ethical and whether once you discover a rat are you responsible to make the > discovery public. That is the dilemma. There is nothing technical about it! > Dear Fungal-net, If the rat you have discovered is that we ensure that users accessing our repos through the onion address are redirected to debian's own onion address (for packages that come from debian), instead than to a clearnet address, then you have discovered a dove, not a rat, and a lively one. This is a feature, not a bug. Concerning trust: that will never be an automatic thing, rather a very personal one. The ultimate person who decides if you should or should not trust something or somebody is just yourself. The way amprolla works (by rewriting packages not in Devuan) is publicly known. The source code of amprolla is available at: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 Our repos are signed with GPG keys, published on different locations and accessible by different means. All our isos are signed with the GPG key of the developers responsible for them. I am very sorry you somehow lost trust in Devuan, but given the amount of anger you evidently have accumulated, I don't see how else we can help you. I hope you might decide to come back onboard, but if this is not the case, I really wish you to find the distro of your choice, the one that you can trust. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng