RE: [dstar_digital] ID-800H

[Woodrick, Ed]

As of this point, I haven't found a program that doesn't support USB-RS-232c 
adapters.

Commonly issues with adapters come from programs written for older versions of 
Windows.

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joey
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 6:43 PM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dstar_digital] ID-800H


I am new to ham radio and DStar. I ordered an ICOM ID-800H yesterday
and have a quick question regarding the data cable. The data cable
available from ICOM (OPC-1384) terminates to a RS-232 serial port.
This is no problem for my desktop PC, but my laptop does not have a
serial port. In order to use the Dstar data capabilities with my
laptop, I am assuming that I would need to use a rs232 (serial) to USB
adapter. My question is do you know if programs such as dchat and
dstar comms support the use of such an adapter. My past experience is
that the use of such an adapter is somewhat hit and miss depending on
the program and speed requirements. Thanks for any help and advice



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Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H

[Adrian]

The prolific PL2303 adapters(cheap on ebay) work well from my experience
 on Windows XP, with all D-Star data SC progs (have tried them all)

The only thing I find is that if you also do genuine opc-478uc cloning with
the CS-D800 prog, you need to reinstall the Icom USB driver each time for
 that purpose, then back to the PL2303 driver,  re-install (upgrade 
driver) for data.

Pays to keep a copy of each driver on the laptop HD for that purpose.
unless you use a opc-478uc equivalent cable from the guys in HK which
 also work on the pl2303 driver.

vk4tux

RE: [dstar_digital] ID-800H

[youha]

I would recommend a third party USB serial adaptor. The one I use with my
Vista notebook for programming my ID-800 is the Keyspan. Icom has a serial
cable available with the mini plug on one end for the radio and a DB-9
connector for the adaptor end. Install the Keyspan driver that comes in the
adaptor package. If you are using a Vista machine, the Keyspan website has a
compatible driver for that OS you can download. 

The next step would be to install the cloning software from Icom. You should
be all set.

 

Dave

WA6UHA

  _  

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Joey
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 15:43
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [dstar_digital] ID-800H

 

I am new to ham radio and DStar. I ordered an ICOM ID-800H yesterday 
and have a quick question regarding the data cable. The data cable 
available from ICOM (OPC-1384) terminates to a RS-232 serial port. 
This is no problem for my desktop PC, but my laptop does not have a 
serial port. In order to use the Dstar data capabilities with my 
laptop, I am assuming that I would need to use a rs232 (serial) to USB 
adapter. My question is do you know if programs such as dchat and 
dstar comms support the use of such an adapter. My past experience is 
that the use of such an adapter is somewhat hit and miss depending on 
the program and speed requirements. Thanks for any help and advice

 



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Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H

[Adrian]

Dave, Joey is referring to the usb-serial adapter for the opc-1384, which
has the 8 pin mini din plug used for data, and not the cloning
(opc-478u or eq) cable required for cloning.

I mentioned the cloning Icom driver before, just as a reference, that only
the genuine Icom usb driver supports the genuine opc-478uc cable, if
you wish to cloning functions, besides the opc-1384 connected data
programs, i.e; D*Chat etc. which Joey has asked about. Joey will need
a separate usb-serial driver associated with the usb-serial adapter device
he uses with the opc-1384.

Hence the one usb-serial driver wont do both jobs (cloning & data)
if you use the genuine Icom opc-478uc cable
(cloning with usb-serial hardware incorporated)
as well as the opc-1384(data---requires usb-serial adapter for Joeys' use).

regards

Adrian

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Icom has a serial
> cable available with the mini plug on one end for the radio and a DB-9
> connector for the adaptor end. Install the Keyspan driver that comes 
> in the
> adaptor package. If you are using a Vista machine, the Keyspan website 
> has a
> compatible driver for that OS you can download.
>
> The next step would be to install the cloning software from Icom. You 
> should
> be all set.
>
> Dave
>
> WA6UHA
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

[w4uoc]

Vajk / DD1GV
 
I have the ID-800H and an 92AD both work fine... I think for the price the  
ID-800H will meet most if not all of  your needs for a good 50watt DStar  rig.  
I usually monitor the KI4SBA port C repeater here in the Atlanta,  Georgia 
area.
 
I have also been using the ID-800H and the 92AD with D-rats and they work  
fine.  However, if  you get either be sure to get the software it  makes 
loading 
the memories much easier..
 
73
 
Tom Koch - W4UOC
8170 Habersham Waters Road
Sandy Springs, GA 30350
 
 
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RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

[Barry A. Wilson]

Vajk,

 

The ID-800H has been getting rave reviews around Denver. Unless you need
the added built-in GPS and Dual Watch capabilities of the ICOM 2820 what
I've heard is the ID-800 is the better choice.

 

I have worked a ID-800H mobile user @ 15 Watts with standard dual band
antenna from our Mt. Thorodin (Starr Peak) D-STAR System to Cheyenne, WY
which is about 95 miles  which speaks well for its capabilities. 

 

You can also download the operating manual from ICOM for more specific
information on the radio and it's operation.

 

Barry

KA0BBQ

 

From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dd...@vajk.de
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:47 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

 

Hello all
I am interested in a ICOM ID-800H to use it with D-Star .. can anyone tell
me 
little more about this rig, cause in Germany it is not available from icom
..
Best wishes,
Vajk / DD1GV

 



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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

[Steven Samuel Bosshard (NU5D)]

I have several DSTAR radios including a couple of ID800's.  Both ID800s
are used fixed station.  I have had NO issues with the 800 and believe
it is probably the best value going

Except - Limits - Dual Band Radio - receives one band at one time - not
a big deal for me.  Easy to add GPS outboard receiver or feed the radio
with an emulator program for fixed use.  100 UR memories MAX..54 RPT
memories MAX.  It is impossible to load up every gateway repeater (close
to 300 now days) and preload reflectory Link and unlink.  The display
only shows 6 characters at a time so you can see the call sign but not
the A, B, C or G in the display (but the display is really large and
easy to read).  You need a level shifter / programming cable to program
the radio.  Other models use just a cable without electronics.  Size is
nice - detachable front.  Programming is CLONING and NOT CONTROL
software.  Dan Smith's CHIRP software works well as does the CS800 from
Icom.  Radio does run a little hot but has not been a problem.  And
finally, for ME a bit difficult to program without cloning software.

Also I have used non standard splits on VHF - 1 Mhz and 600 kHz, but not
tried 7.6 mHz on UHF.  I don't forsee any problem in that department.

I am comparing this against my familiarity with ID1, IC-2820, IC2720
(not dstar) IC91AD and IC92.  You might think I like Icom.I DO.

Merry Christmas,  Steve NU5D

dd...@vajk.de wrote:
> Hello all
> I am interested in a ICOM ID-800H to use it with D-Star .. can anyone tell me 
> little more about this rig, cause in Germany it is not available from icom ..
> Best wishes,
> Vajk / DD1GV
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

[Nate Duehr]

Steven Samuel Bosshard (NU5D) wrote:
> 
> 
> I have several DSTAR radios including a couple of ID800's. Both ID800s
> are used fixed station. I have had NO issues with the 800 and believe
> it is probably the best value going

So you don't feel like you didn't get a lot of comments...

I wholeheartedly agree with Steve's assessment.  I have an ID-800H in 
the Jeep, and an IC-91AD for "everywhere else".

While I would LIKE a 2820, for the price... the 800H does what I need.

The user interface on the ID-800H isn't as easy to operate as the 2820, 
from what I've heard.  But, any rig with a little "quality time", the 
manual, and a cup of coffee, and you can figure it all out.

If spending a few hours learning the rig and practicing saves me a few 
hundred dollars, I'm all for it.

I don't really *need* dual-receive capability, but I like it when I have 
it.

Since the 2820 can only receive ONE D-STAR SIGNAL at a time, I'll wait 
for Icom to release a REAL dual-receive D-STAR rig (hopefully) someday.

Bottom line:  I can buy TWO ID-800H rigs for just a tiny bit more money 
than a single 2820 and monitor both VHF and UHF modules for our current 
repeater system.  As D-STAR grows in the area, having two ID-800H's will 
be more flexible than owning a single 2802.

Using the above logic, I feel that the 2820's pricing is messed up.  It 
should be about $100 cheaper.

Nate WY0X

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

[Ray T. Mahorney]

you won't find any problem with either 7 or 9 MHz splits in the ID800 on UHF.

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

[Eric M. Gildersleeve ~ KD7CAO]

In my opinion I like the ID-800. It is a good rig and although I don't own
one (yet) I have recommended, programmed, and operated several of them. In
fact it is the radio I've recommended for all of our EOCs. Furthermore by
the time your finished purchasing a 2820 and the D*STAR Module you could
have bought two ID-800s, antennas, and all the hardware necessary (and been
further ahead). 

It may not be available in your area but, I'm sure you could order one from
the USA and have it shipped.

Eric M. Gildersleeve ~ KD7CAO
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From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of dd...@vajk.de
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:47 AM
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

Hello all
I am interested in a ICOM ID-800H to use it with D-Star .. can anyone tell
me 
little more about this rig, cause in Germany it is not available from icom
..
Best wishes,
Vajk / DD1GV




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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H

[Mathaeus (Matthew Fonner)]

I own a 2200H, and an 800H.  The 2200 was bought originally for analog, 
but I updated it when I learned about d-star.  I got the 800H and it is 
now my main radio in the car (2200H is my home 2M base station now).
I love the 800H.  I have no need for a 2-in-1 radio like the 2820...sure 
I could listen to both but can only talk to one at a time.  Also, as 
stated by someone else, it can only handle 1 digital station (1 digital 
and 1 analog, or 2 analog) at a timetherefore I couldn't be on 
reflector 1C and the local d-star at the same time.
Price difference for me at R & L was a little over $400 between getting 
an ID-800H (with D-Star built in to it) and buying a 2820 then spending 
the money to get the d-star/gps board.

Matt / N3WNX

dd...@vajk.de wrote:
> Hello all
> I am interested in a ICOM ID-800H to use it with D-Star .. can anyone tell me 
> little more about this rig, cause in Germany it is not available from icom ..
> Best wishes,
> Vajk / DD1GV
>
>
>   

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Nate Duehr]

On May 23, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Keith wrote:

> During transmissions, occasionally I hear a series of beeps from my  
> ID-
> 800H. As with the ID-92, does this indicate that the rig is getting
> hot and sweaty? There is no mention of this in the ID-800 manual.
>
And it's always during transmissions and not RIGHT after you unkey,  
right?

(The reason I ask, is that it could just be low-speed data users, GPS/ 
APRS/DPRS folks, etc... who are buffered up during your transmission  
and as soon as you unkey a "flurry" of small data transmissions by  
other stations "go by".)

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Matt Miller]

Hi Nate.

I dont have one of those radio but a station local to me does.

He also noticed this when the radio was warm.. He also noticed that the raidio 
turned the power down automatically when the beeps were heard.

Does you power output drop on its own when you hear those beeps?

My 91 used to do that.. Spoke to Icom about it and told me its to prevent the 
radio getting too warm.

Thanks

Matt


  - Original Message - 
  From: Nate Duehr 
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps



  On May 23, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Keith wrote:

  > During transmissions, occasionally I hear a series of beeps from my 
  > ID-
  > 800H. As with the ID-92, does this indicate that the rig is getting
  > hot and sweaty? There is no mention of this in the ID-800 manual.
  >
  And it's always during transmissions and not RIGHT after you unkey, 
  right?

  (The reason I ask, is that it could just be low-speed data users, GPS/ 
  APRS/DPRS folks, etc... who are buffered up during your transmission 
  and as soon as you unkey a "flurry" of small data transmissions by 
  other stations "go by".)

  --
  Nate Duehr, WY0X
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]



   

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Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Adrian]

Nate, I disagree that sub channel data on air is buffered (where?) until 
a transceiver is in RX mode. The transceiver hears real time activity. 
Sub channel TX can be buffered in the Comms prog until TX busy status is 
off hence subsequent TX on a auto data send setup(not ptt) or buffered 
as in the the preferred D*chat(min line send characters) format to 
reduce the beeping by a listening unit.

vk4tux

Nate Duehr wrote:
>
>
>
>
> (The reason I ask, is that it could just be low-speed data users, GPS/
> APRS/DPRS folks, etc... who are buffered up during your transmission
> and as soon as you unkey a "flurry" of small data transmissions by
> other stations "go by".)
>
> --
> Nate Duehr, WY0X
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Dan Smith]

> Nate, I disagree that sub channel data on air is buffered (where?) until 
> a transceiver is in RX mode. The transceiver hears real time activity. 
> Sub channel TX can be buffered in the Comms prog until TX busy status is 
> off hence subsequent TX on a auto data send setup(not ptt) or buffered 
> as in the the preferred D*chat(min line send characters) format to 
> reduce the beeping by a listening unit.

Nate is correct here.  The radio has a very tiny buffer in it, and will 
send an XOFF to the computer when that buffer is full.  The computer 
waits until the radio's BUSY sense goes off, the radio drains the buffer 
and the radio sends another XON to get things flowing again.  It is a 
selectable option in the radios I've seen, but I can't imagine why you'd 
turn it off.

-- 
Dan Smith
dsmith#danplanet.com, s/#/@/
www.danplanet.com
KI4IFW

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Nate Duehr]

On May 23, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Adrian wrote:

> Nate, I disagree that sub channel data on air is buffered (where?)  
> until
> a transceiver is in RX mode. The transceiver hears real time activity.
> Sub channel TX can be buffered in the Comms prog until TX busy  
> status is
> off hence subsequent TX on a auto data send setup(not ptt) or buffered
> as in the the preferred D*chat(min line send characters) format to
> reduce the beeping by a listening unit.
>
> vk4tux
>

I think you missed what I meant, Adrian...

I'll set up the scenario:

- Station A is talking to Station B in voice.
- Station C and Station D are sending low-speed data back and forth,  
with no audio.
- Station C's rig buffers any data sent to it (or flow-control tells  
the software to not send after the rigs buffer is full) on its serial  
port, while Station A or B are transmitting and talking to each other.
- Same thing with Station D.

(Let's say they're text-chatting with D-Star Comms, D*Chat, or D-RATS  
and they're "typing ahead"... waiting for the channel to clear and  
hitting enter to send while the other guys are still talking.  The  
rigs will refuse to auto-transmit data if the channel busy light is  
activated.  We've also noticed that if the rig is receiving analog  
noise, the squelch settings must be tightened to clear the busy  
indication, or even the attenuator activated until the rig thinks the  
frequency is clear of both digital AND analog noise.)

So, in the above scenario... at each un-key of Station A and B,  
talking in voice... Stations C and D create a small "flurry" of  
channel activity that triggers a bunch of beeps if you have the beeps  
turned on, on your rigs.  (It's not ID-800H specific...)

Additionally stations with "Auto" send of GPS data turned on will also  
buffer during another station's transmissions and send as soon as the  
channel is clear, I think.

I was asking him if the beeps he's hearing are DEFINITELY while he's  
transmitting (in voice... he's Station A or B in this description) or  
if perhaps they're just RIGHT as he unkeys... that could be data  
flowing between two non-voice users, who are not participating in the  
conversation between Station A and Station B.  You can see their  
callsigns go by (rapidly if the data transmissions are short) right at  
unkey.

(This is similar to what happens when you come in on the Dongle and  
KF0RW and W0CBI are playing with file transfers through the  
repeater... your voice transmission stops the "beeping" of my ID-800H  
and IC-91 of their data transmissions until their software times out  
the last block-transfer and starts again.  When no voice traffic is  
present, the ID-800H in the basement during these low-speed data file- 
transfer tests sounds like I invested in a sonar company.  Ping-ping,  
Ping-ping, Ping-ping... Heh.)

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Adrian]

Well I understand what you are saying; re a transceiver connected to a 
pc for that purpose Dan. I read Nate´s reply, and the original question 
as referring to a *transceiver not connected to a computer  and Nate 
seemingly implying that the Subchannel data transmitted ,by others on 
air is buffered? until the * transceiver is in RX mode and then 
*receives that supposedly buffered data perhaps causing the beeping.
Did I read it wrong? I remain.

vk4tux


>
>
> Nate is correct here. The radio has a very tiny buffer in it, and will
> send an XOFF to the computer when that buffer is full. The computer
> waits until the radio's BUSY sense goes off, the radio drains the buffer
> and the radio sends another XON to get things flowing again. It is a
> selectable option in the radios I've seen, but I can't imagine why you'd
> turn it off.
>
> -- 
> Dan Smith
> dsmith#danplanet.com, s/#/@/
> www.danplanet.com
> KI4IFW
>
>  

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Nate Duehr]

On May 23, 2008, at 3:38 PM, Dan Smith wrote:

> > Nate, I disagree that sub channel data on air is buffered (where?)  
> until
> > a transceiver is in RX mode. The transceiver hears real time  
> activity.
> > Sub channel TX can be buffered in the Comms prog until TX busy  
> status is
> > off hence subsequent TX on a auto data send setup(not ptt) or  
> buffered
> > as in the the preferred D*chat(min line send characters) format to
> > reduce the beeping by a listening unit.
>
> Nate is correct here. The radio has a very tiny buffer in it, and will
> send an XOFF to the computer when that buffer is full. The computer
> waits until the radio's BUSY sense goes off, the radio drains the  
> buffer
> and the radio sends another XON to get things flowing again. It is a
> selectable option in the radios I've seen, but I can't imagine why  
> you'd
> turn it off.
>

It's actually great for "muxing" voice and data traffic.  The only  
thing the data transfer programs are going to need to have  
(eventually... yeah, another request Dan!  haha...) is the ability to  
tag something "priority" or "non-priority" and if "priority"... go  
ahead and start filling up that radio buffer so it'll "grab" the  
channel from the voice users right away when they unkey... if "non- 
priority" it would be better if there were longer breaks between  
transmissions.

Unfortunately the rig doesn't send the status (in any way that we know  
of) of what and who it's hearing back up the serial port to the  
program in its normal serial communications mode... but it's obvious  
that at least on the rigs where the programming software also doubles  
as "remote control" software that the data is AVAILABLE from the rig.   
It's just not documented on how to get the rig to spit it out.

That won't take someone too long to reverse-engineer by putting a  
protocol analyzer between the programming software and the rig,  
probably.  But whether or not you can switch the serial port back and  
forth between "monitoring/programming" mode and "sending/receiving  
serial data mode" on the fly, is the big question.

I bet the serial port implementation is modal, and you "choose" to go  
into programming/control mode and once you're there, I don't know how  
you get out... but... if they implemented it as something like  
"escape" sequences in the design, special serial data that triggers a  
response from the rig, but otherwise the serial data goes out to be  
transmitted... that would be COOL!

Interesting things could be done if it's possible to "switch on the  
fly", like data reception on one memory channel, copy the data, switch  
channels, spit it back out to someone else...  build software that can  
be a "cross-band repeater" for data.  Even cross-link two different  
coverage repeaters.  (Yeah, I know about Dan's "IP Repeater" too,  
that's a nifty gadget also... radio on one end with D-RATS, IP to  
another D-RATS with another radio, and all data traffic passes to both  
sides.  Neat!)

But we're all still just figuring out how to get Dan's stuff to play  
nicely through a repeater first... baby-steps...

(Dan, the guys did do another series of tests on the repeater last  
night.  Not sure if they captured a debug log for you or not, but they  
petered out just before midnight.  I don't think any of us have been  
to bed before 2AM this week!  GRIN.  I'm looking forward to getting  
"back in the game" after I'm available again early next week.  One of  
the other things we're suspecting is that we're all in good voice  
coverage of the repeater, but MAYBE... just maybe... we're taking some  
bit errors on data at the ranges we're working from... so our results  
are just a bit inconsistent.  On the other hand, that's probably just  
the type of "ugly corner case" data you love to see... the "noisy"  
users of any file transfer protocol (even outside of D-STAR always put  
the most "hurt" on the protocol and make it easier to see where it  
gets brittle and breaks!)

--
Nate Duehr, WY0X
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Adrian]

Well explained yes, I´m forgetting that the station with the ¨beeps¨ 
transmitting keeps the others ¨busy¨
until he switches to RX. I think I got up too early hihi. Interesting 
discussion and thank you.

Adrian


>
> I think you missed what I meant, Adrian...
>
> I'll set up the scenario:
>
> - Station A is talking to Station B in voice.
> - Station C and Station D are sending low-speed data back and forth,
> with no audio.
> - Station C's rig buffers any data sent to it (or flow-control tells
> the software to not send after the rigs buffer is full) on its serial
> port, while Station A or B are transmitting and talking to each other.
> - Same thing with Station D.
>
> (Let's say they're text-chatting with D-Star Comms, D*Chat, or D-RATS
> and they're "typing ahead"... waiting for the channel to clear and
> hitting enter to send while the other guys are still talking. The
> rigs will refuse to auto-transmit data if the channel busy light is
> activated. We've also noticed that if the rig is receiving analog
> noise, the squelch settings must be tightened to clear the busy
> indication, or even the attenuator activated until the rig thinks the
> frequency is clear of both digital AND analog noise.)
>
> So, in the above scenario... at each un-key of Station A and B,
> talking in voice... Stations C and D create a small "flurry" of
> channel activity that triggers a bunch of beeps if you have the beeps
> turned on, on your rigs. (It's not ID-800H specific...)
>
> Additionally stations with "Auto" send of GPS data turned on will also
> buffer during another station's transmissions and send as soon as the
> channel is clear, I think.
>
> I was asking him if the beeps he's hearing are DEFINITELY while he's
> transmitting (in voice... he's Station A or B in this description) or
> if perhaps they're just RIGHT as he unkeys... that could be data
> flowing between two non-voice users, who are not participating in the
> conversation between Station A and Station B. You can see their
> callsigns go by (rapidly if the data transmissions are short) right at
> unkey.
>
> (This is similar to what happens when you come in on the Dongle and
> KF0RW and W0CBI are playing with file transfers through the
> repeater... your voice transmission stops the "beeping" of my ID-800H
> and IC-91 of their data transmissions until their software times out
> the last block-transfer and starts again. When no voice traffic is
> present, the ID-800H in the basement during these low-speed data file-
> transfer tests sounds like I invested in a sonar company. Ping-ping,
> Ping-ping, Ping-ping... Heh.)
>
> --
> Nate Duehr, WY0X
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>
> __.

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Ray T. Mahorney]

if that's happening, that sounds more like an SWR issue than any type of low 
speed data or time out timer 
indications going.  I'd be looking at the SWR on the antenna and start there.
Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


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From: "Matt Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 20:46
Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps


Hi Nate.

I dont have one of those radio but a station local to me does.

He also noticed this when the radio was warm.. He also noticed that the raidio 
turned the power down 
automatically when the beeps were heard.

Does you power output drop on its own when you hear those beeps?

My 91 used to do that.. Spoke to Icom about it and told me its to prevent the 
radio getting too warm.

Thanks

Matt


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  From: Nate Duehr
  To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 9:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps



  On May 23, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Keith wrote:

  > During transmissions, occasionally I hear a series of beeps from my
  > ID-
  > 800H. As with the ID-92, does this indicate that the rig is getting
  > hot and sweaty? There is no mention of this in the ID-800 manual.
  >
  And it's always during transmissions and not RIGHT after you unkey,
  right?

  (The reason I ask, is that it could just be low-speed data users, GPS/
  APRS/DPRS folks, etc... who are buffered up during your transmission
  and as soon as you unkey a "flurry" of small data transmissions by
  other stations "go by".)

  --
  Nate Duehr, WY0X
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]





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Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Adrian]

Yes Ray, My earlier Icom Forum link refers to this most probable reason 
and the protection voltage alignment within the id-800h.

regards

Adrian

Ray T. Mahorney wrote:
>
> if that's happening, that sounds more like an SWR issue than any type 
> of low speed data or time out timer
> indications going. I'd be looking at the SWR on the antenna and start 
> there.
> Ray T. Mahorney
> WA4WGA
>
> -
>

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Adrian]

Thankyou Dan, In my experience using K95 or hyper terminal with no flow 
control selected or used; The busy status still prevented auto TX on 
send cmd as it should, esp for good fec.
You mentioned Xon/Xoff and I wondered how these signals back from the 
transceiver relate back to a program with no flow control selected. 
Thanks for your previous reply and wake up call.

regards

Adrian

Dan Smith wrote:
The radio has a very tiny buffer in it, and will
send an XOFF to the computer when that buffer is full. The computer
waits until the radio's BUSY sense goes off, the radio drains the buffer
and the radio sends another XON to get things flowing again. It is a
selectable option in the radios I've seen, but I can't imagine why you'd
turn it off.

-- 
Dan Smith

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Beeps

[Dan Smith]

> You mentioned Xon/Xoff and I wondered how these signals back from the 
> transceiver relate back to a program with no flow control selected. 

The application would just see the control values (XON and XOFF) as data
coming from the radio.

-- 
Dan Smith
dsmith#danplanet.com, s/#/@/
www.danplanet.com
KI4IFW

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H Questions

[Gary Wilburn]

Congratulations DD1GV on your ID-800H. Two comments:

 

Fan noise - I agree that the fan can be noisy. I used the included remote
head cable and moved the base away from the desk. Double sided foam tape
under the control head works well in securing the head on a shelf and takes
up less space. A short length of CAT 5 cable with a male to male connector
worked as a mic extension cable. I also run the rig at mid power most of the
time to reduce fan use and excess heat.

 

Hollow modulation - I have been unable to hear the difference between the
various D-star rigs on our local repeater.  You can adjust mic sensitivity
from low to high in the set-up menu. Some 800H owners have removed the spit
cover on the mic element to improve clarity. I did it and no one could tell
the difference.

 

I use the Icom software for programming and purchased an aftermarket USB
cable on Ebay for $5.00 US via China. It works well with my XP computer.

 

I started out with one 800H at the home QTH and liked it so well that I
ended up getting one for mobile and portable use.  

 

Enjoy your new transceiver!

 

73, Gary W8VI

 



[ED - Chirp is an open source software package. http://chirp.
 danplanet.com/wiki/ 

Be sure an set MIC to HI. A TTL - RS232 Cloning Cable is needed to program
thru the speaker jack]

Hello all,

now I got my rig ID-800H (in Germany), and I make my first steps with it. 
Nice rig, the permanent (or long running) fan is a little bit ugly.

Now I searching for the software to manage the memory,
does someone have one for me ?

And is it possible to remote controll the rig via CAT ?
Does exist any programm available ? 

The HamRadioDeluxe does not list the rig.

I was told, that the modulation is a little bit "hollow" ...

vy 73 DD1GV



 
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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H Questions

[Nate Duehr]

On Mar 7, 2009, at 7:11 AM, dd...@vajk.de wrote:
> now I got my rig ID-800H (in Germany), and I make my first steps  
> with it.
> Nice rig, the permanent (or long running) fan is a little bit ugly.
>
I believe there's a setting for the fan that will only bring it on  
during transmissions and until the rig cools off.  It's been a while  
since I did it, but that's how mine behaves... so I must have set that  
somewhere.
> Now I searching for the software to manage the memory,
> does someone have one for me ?
>
Icom sells one (they contract a company to make it) or there's  
"CHIRP", an open-source package that's still under development.
> And is it possible to remote controll the rig via CAT ?
>
Not that anyone has been able to figure out yet, no.  The rig programs  
through a special cable to the SPEAKER jack, and when the plug is  
inserted, audio from the internal speaker is also cut off, so it's  
unlikely that this rig was designed, or ever will have, CAT type  
control.  CAT is actually Yaesu's name for it.  CI-V is Icom's usual  
name for describing rig control features.
> I was told, that the modulation is a little bit "hollow" ...
>
Comparing on-air listening to other D-STAR rigs, I also find the  
ID-800H to be of slightly less audio quality, but not that bad.  It  
has been reported by others, also.

The IC-91AD, and IC-92AD hand-held radios sound more "full" to my  
ear.  The IC-2820 sounds somewhere in-between, but there have been  
some mods published to make its audio sound better that I stumbled  
across on the Internet somewhere -- but I don't own one, so I didn't  
save the link.

Nate WY0X

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H Questions

[Nate Duehr]

On Mar 7, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Gary Wilburn wrote:
> Hollow modulation - I have been unable to hear the difference  
> between the
> various D-star rigs on our local repeater. You can adjust mic  
> sensitivity
> from low to high in the set-up menu. Some 800H owners have removed  
> the spit
> cover on the mic element to improve clarity. I did it and no one  
> could tell
> the difference.
>

I forgot about the Low/High mic gain setting.

I couldn't get the rig to put out proper FM deviation levels on the  
test bench with "Low" mic gain set, no matter what I tried.  I set it  
to "High" and left it there and forgot about it.

Great point Gary.

Nate WY0X

Re: [dstar_digital] ID-800H Weather Channels

[Colin Haig]

I think the Weather Channels in the ID-800h are as follows (and I put 
in the Canadian stations in the neighbourhood):

NameFreqStation
WX.1162.550 Kitchener XMJ330/ Buffalo
WX.2162.400 Toronto XMJ225
WX.3162.475 St. Catharines VAD320
WX.4162.425 Renfrew VEA549
WX.5162.450
WX.6162.500
WX.7162.525
WX.8161.650 Marine
WX.9161.775 Marine
WX.10   163.275 Marine

Its name is based on the marine weather channel scheme.
I haven't verified all, just first 3 freqs.
73 de Colin
VE3MSC

At 03:09 PM 2008-06-20, Keith wrote:
>Maybe it's just me having a "Senior Moment" but I can't find in the ID-
>800H manual which weather radio frequency corresponds to which channel
>in the Weather Alert feature (Page 111 in the manual). Can anyone
>enlighten me?
>
>Regards,
>Keith VA3QF
>Cambridge, Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H with water damage

[Donald Jacob]

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.
Try you insurance company and see if it might be covered for
flooding. Both auto and homeowners.
Good luck

73
Don  WB5EKU


On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM, kristof_wanderer <
kristof.wande...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> My radio got wet during a flash flood, well it was under creek water for a
> few hours. It was not on during at the time. As I expected it doesn't work.
> Before I applied power to the radio I disassembled the radio, cleaned the
> boards, connections, etc. and dried it using a hair dryer for about three
> hours. I then allowed it to sit in the open air overnight. I reassembled the
> radio and tried it and it still won't work.
>
> Other than buying a new radio, any other suggestions I can try to get the
> radio up and operational again?
>
> Your suggestions are appreciated!
>
> Christopher
> KE5YQP
>
>  
>

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H with water damage

[Erik Finskas]

On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 10:27 AM, kristof_wanderer
> My radio got wet during a flash flood, well it was under creek water
> for a few hours. It was not on during at the time. As I expected it
> doesn't work. Before I applied power to the radio I disassembled the
> radio, cleaned the boards, connections, etc. and dried it using a
> hair dryer for about three hours. I then allowed it to sit in the
> open air overnight. I reassembled the radio and tried it and it
> still won't work.
> 
> Other than buying a new radio, any other suggestions I can try to
> get the radio up and operational again?
> 
> Your suggestions are appreciated!

First sign of life is the +5V supply voltage for the control head. 
Measure each pin (as I can't recall which is the +5V) against ground and 
if you see +5V, the regulator to power the control head which eventually 
turns the radio on, has it's lifeline available. The regulator is on 
regardless of the power switch, if the main fuses are OK.

I had one ID-800H which had this lifeline dead. There was no voltage 
although the regulator was OK, as a 0-ohm resistor just before the 
control head connector in the main chassis was burnt for some reason. It 
had acted like a fuse, by design.

Next thing to check would propably be the power switch itself, as it 
might not like water at all.

If you fail to get it working, I'm interrested to buy the radio for 
spare parts!

Erik OH2LAK





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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H with water damage

[Steve Bosshard (NU5D)]

SRI about the bad luck Chris.  If DC power was present even though the
radio was powered down it is very likely that electrolysis may have
corroded a trace of print.  That would be the best possible outcome.
Look for white or green power and crystals (or where they were before
cleaning)  If you have a neighbor with the same model you could mix
and match control and radio and see of the problem is isolated.  If
the water was clean (free of dirt, etc) you may still come out OK.
Also the factory may give an estimate without incurring much cost.

all the best, steve nu5d

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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H with water damage

[Mike Murphy]

You might also try putting the radio in a sealed bag of rice for 3 or 4 days.  
The rice will absorb any residual moisture in the radio.

This has worked for people who have dunked their cell phones.

Good Luck!

 __


Michael Murphy - KD8OK


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From: Steve Bosshard (NU5D) 
To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, June 21, 2010 2:48:22 PM
Subject: Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H with water damage

   
SRI about the bad luck Chris.  If DC power was present even though the
radio was powered down it is very likely that electrolysis may have
corroded a trace of print.  That would be the best possible outcome.
Look for white or green power and crystals (or where they were before
cleaning)  If you have a neighbor with the same model you could mix
and match control and radio and see of the problem is isolated.  If
the water was clean (free of dirt, etc) you may still come out OK.
Also the factory may give an estimate without incurring much cost.

all the best, steve nu5d

-- 
NU5D - Nickel Under Five Dollars

 

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H - Video Comparison with 2820

[Gary Pearce KN4AQ]

At 09:46 AM 12/18/2008, dd...@vajk.de wrote:

>Hello all
>I am interested in a ICOM ID-800H to use it with D-Star .. can anyone tell me
>little more about this rig, cause in Germany it is not available from icom ..
>Best wishes,
>Vajk / DD1GV

Take a look at my YouTube video "D-STAR Programming" (Part 1 and 2).  Part 
2 includes the ID-800.  http://www.youtube.com/user/KN4AQ

I see the replies in this thread so far have been all pro-ID-800. I have 
both and I prefer the 2820 by far, both because it is a two-bands-at-once 
radio, and because it is MUCH easier to program manually. (You'll want 
software to program either radio extensively).

But there is no question that the 2820 is much more expensive.  Worth 
it?  To me, yes.

I'd also like to invite you to check out the other D-STAR related video on 
my web site:  www.ARVideoNews.com.

And there are Yahoo Groups dedicated to each D-STAR radio you might want to 
join.  D-STAR has a fairly steep, but short, initial learning curve. It's 
worth getting over the hump quickly.

73,
Gary KN4AQ



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Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] ID-800H - Video Comparison with 2820

[Mathaeus (Matthew Fonner)]

While I can appreciate the usefulness of the 2820 (including ease of 
manual programming), the cost alone decided for me.
Nice videos, by the way1

Matt / N3WNX

Gary Pearce KN4AQ wrote:
> At 09:46 AM 12/18/2008, dd...@vajk.de wrote:
>
> Take a look at my YouTube video "D-STAR Programming" (Part 1 and 2).  Part 
> 2 includes the ID-800.  http://www.youtube.com/user/KN4AQ
>
> I see the replies in this thread so far have been all pro-ID-800. I have 
> both and I prefer the 2820 by far, both because it is a two-bands-at-once 
> radio, and because it is MUCH easier to program manually. (You'll want 
> software to program either radio extensively).
>
> But there is no question that the 2820 is much more expensive.  Worth 
> it?  To me, yes.
>
> I'd also like to invite you to check out the other D-STAR related video on 
> my web site:  www.ARVideoNews.com.
>
> And there are Yahoo Groups dedicated to each D-STAR radio you might want to 
> join.  D-STAR has a fairly steep, but short, initial learning curve. It's 
> worth getting over the hump quickly.
>
> 73,
> Gary KN4AQ
>