[e-gold-list] Fw: Free Visa Card?

2000-12-31 Thread Michael Moore




Hi there,

Some people did not get this properly so I am sending it again in plain
text.


Would you believe it,  I have found a Free VISA CARD. Take a quick look at
www.visarebates.com  . They're giving away free Visa cards with free flight
miles on any airline and paying people a ton of money to refer their
contacts. And this isn't very hard! This thing is spreading like wildfire,
and they're passing out millions of dollars for referring something that's
free.  what can I say! Take look and see if you want to get in on the
action. If you sign up for one of these free Visa cards, be sure to enter my
Referral ID  goldtoday

One of my customers has just gotten 66 referrals in three hours.  He is
beside himself  with joy. I don't normally look at MLM's but this is quite
impressive!

They're also giving away free Visa cards with free flight miles on any
airline and paying MLM commissions to refer other Cardholders. They pay out
on a huge 10-level plan  - $10 for the first level and $2 on the next nine -
nobody buys a thing. The money comes from the bank because of the value of
cardholders. This thing is spreading like wildfire. i suggest you check it
out.  If you sign up for one of these Visa cards, please be sure to enter my
Referral ID:goldtoday

Remember, IT'S FREE!

When you apply for your card, enter my Referral ID:goldtoday


Thanks for your time and have a great new Year 2001!
Kind regards,

Michael Moore
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.gold-today.com
Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here.
https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542


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[e-gold-list] Re: Fw: Free Visa Card?

2000-12-31 Thread Angela Kahealani

Michael Moore wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 
 Some people did not get this properly so I am sending it again in plain
 text.

So you DO know how to include HTML text, just DON'T send in plain text.
Which referes back to someone complaining about your non plain text mail
to which you pled ignorance about how all the HTML got in there when you
just typed words... so, for the benefit of all, 

send plain text only.

 Would you believe it,  I have found a Free VISA CARD. Take a quick look at

I can barely believe that after the preceeding 3 advertisements you sent...
care to tell us again your referral ID so you can profit on us?

 If you sign up for one of these free Visa cards, be sure to enter my
 Referral ID  goldtoday

I thought so.

 One of my customers has just gotten 66 referrals in three hours.  He is
 beside himself  with joy. I don't normally look at MLM's but this is quite
 impressive!

This is your new normal, Mr. MLMer.

 Remember, IT'S FREE!

At least until you charge something.

 When you apply for your card, enter my Referral ID:goldtoday

Is there anywhere else I can enter your referral ID plus all your advertisements?

Are you sure there couldn't possibly anyone else on the planet who
failed to subscribe to the e-gold mailing list before the previous 2
copies of this ad?
No, really, surely you can make a few pennies more profit if you harrass
people again who up until this point might have considered becoming one
of your customers...
you know, the ex-friends and ex-customers you just drove away with your
third blatant MLM advertisement within 24 hours?

-- 
All information + transactions non negotiable and private between the
parties. All Rights Reserved + Copyright 2000 Angela Kahealani. 
URL:http://www.kahealani.com

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[e-gold-list] Re: The offer still stands (sincerely!)

2000-12-31 Thread Viking Coder

 However, e-gold is now rampant with thieves, counterfeiters, and hackers who
 have obtained their gold stores illegally.  The trust is then gone. Sure the
 payment is "good" at the moment, but it ultimately cost someone (Market
 Makers, GSR, fellow e-gold users) a great deal because the gold was stolen
 from them.  Back to square one, yes?
 
  Eric
 

No.

e-gold as a system is trustworthy. How can a e-gold payment be "good" one
moment and then not "good" later? An e-gold payment is ALWAYS good. Fiat
currencies aren't untrustworthy because thieves, counterfeiters, and
hackers use them.

How many times have you heard about the following situation? 
Some people are told that they can double their money in 48 hrs - 45 days.
They each give a US $100 bill.
They soon find out they were scammed.
They then begin complaining  griping to high heaven that the USD is not
trustworthy because they were scammed.

I haven't ever heard this said about the USD, but many of the messages on
this list are trying to say it about e-gold.

The only person who can receive a bad payment is a Market-Maker. They
didn't receive a bad e-gold payment. They spent e-gold before the other
type of payment had cleared and the cash was in their hand.

If you are getting repeatedly scammed be credit cards, checks, etc... then
don't accept them anymore. Don't complain that e-gold is untrustworthy
anymore.

If a hacker broke into e-gold's server and spent ficticious e-gold to you
then the only way you would know is if e-gold ltd. or GSR found out. They
should then patch that hole in the security, and install a much tighter
security system. By the way, classifying all hackers as untrustworthy
evildoers is the same as classifying all gun owners as cold murderers.

Viking Coder

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[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold

2000-12-31 Thread Eve

Actually, the ebiz sites have been taken down and a new site has been set up
requiring spend info as proof to help ebiz members who number somewhere
between 30,000 and 45,000  get their money back.

Egold doesn't seem to be able to handle the traffic.

Eve

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of markab23
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 6:56 PM
To: e-gold Discussion
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold


When I asked if e-biz and e-gold were related  I was referring to the down
time and closure of e-biz.  It occurred to me masses of e-biz 'participants'
would be trying to asccess their egold accounts at the same time.  As there
are about 30 thousand of them (i have been told)  I imagine that would cause
any well run site to falter momentarily.

I did not wish to infer there was any commercial connection between the two.

My understand is that e-gold holds itself aloof  from any transactional
business through the accounts.

Mr Jackson is correct.  I read his apology and no where does it mention any
account holder or business or venture.  simply addressed to the  e-gold
account holders as a whole.
Chucky
= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
Eric Gaither said on Saturday, December 30, 2000 7:34 PM:

 How trusting you must be in this inter-related world. Yes, there is a
 good chance the two are not related, however, due to the volume of money
 e-biz had in e-gold, my thoughts steer to the relation. Did you
 ever see the
 public apology Reid Jackson posted on the e-biz site?

Actually, perhaps *you* are excessively trusting.  I've never posted
anything, let alone an apology, to the e-biz site.

I *did* post to this list on November 28, 2000 regarding recent e-gold web
site performance problems.  A similar document was published on the e-gold
website and linked to from the e-gold homepage.

The version posted to e-gold-list can be located via its web interface:

http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/lists.html

Also available in this public archive:

http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg00867.html

Somebody apparently posted the text of this document to the e-biz site,
judging by the unsolicted e-mail I've received from e-biz customers.  If
this somebody also modified these words or attempted to make it appear that
I posted to the e-biz site, that would not speak well for their character.
If somebody knows whether or not this is the case, I suppose I'd be mildly
curious.

 - Reid -


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[e-gold-list] E-Biz

2000-12-31 Thread David Fletcher

What has happened to E-Biz?? Does anyone have any contact with any of the
reps?? Please let me know...

Thanks,
David
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[e-gold-list] funding E-Gold

2000-12-31 Thread Ann Smith

Sure, just use http://coconutgold.com ! We're absolutely reliable, 
don't deal with losers, and have never fucked up anything! :) And 
if we can't trade that day I'll send you to someone trustworthy.


Interesting language for a professional, wouldn't you say.  I have even
heard of coconutgold, has anyone else.
Ann

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[e-gold-list] Re: The offer still stands (sincerely!)

2000-12-31 Thread Viking Coder

  Hmmm,,  some more bad news,,, to a certain extent,, even Gold can be
  counterfeited,, could you tell the difference between a gold plated bar
 and
  a solid gold bar with just a cursory visual inspection?
 
  Tis all a slippery slope if one's not careful.
 
 It is difficult, though, to counterfeit gold and maintain the precise weight
 of a gold coin or a gold bar. Additionally, a coin would have to be minted.

http://www.foxgolddetectors.com/
- Tungsten, which has the exact same DENSITY as Gold, can be coated with a
15
- micron coating of Gold and pass as a Gold Bar, under the scrutiny of
X-Ray
- Fluorescence; which can test to 10 microns deep only!

Gold: 19.3 g/cm^3, $8730/kg
Tungsten: 19.25 g/cm^3, $110/kg

Viking Coder

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[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity

2000-12-31 Thread Viking Coder

 This is where I've got to say something. I would much rather see a system
 where the owners of accounts CAN BE identified if necessary. Otherwise, your
 customer base will contain a large number of thieves, and make it difficult
 for your market makers to function.
 

e-gold should not require identity verification. There is no need to. You
do not need to know who you are dealing with to accept USD bills. Why do
you need to know who you are dealing with to accept e-gold payments? The
only reason a contact point is required is if there are problems with the
account.

 E-Gold needs to identify account owners too. I don't know if they plan to do
 this, but I would like to see some sort of 'low balance limit' on accounts
 whose owners cannot be identified with certainty.
 

What effect would this have? A scammer could still operate. They could
just open up more accounts and spread the in-exchanges across multiple
Market Makers.

 It has become very difficult to sell e-gold when it is such a target for
 theft.

Then stop accepting the payment methods that you are getting scammed in!

Viking Coder

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[e-gold-list] Re: E-Biz

2000-12-31 Thread Viking Coder

 What has happened to E-Biz?? Does anyone have any contact with any of the
 reps?? Please let me know...
 

IMO they have fled with the money that they so easily scammed out you and
~30,000 other participants.

From what I have read, they promised to double your money in 48 hrs. Even
if they promised to do it in a leisurely 90 days, or even an impossibly
long year, I would still want to know one thing. Exactly how are they
planning on accomplishing such an amazing feat?

Do you know why investments with very high returns such as 50+%/year are
called high-risk investments?

A $1 investment left in e-biz for one year would result in a number of
dollars greater than the number of atoms in the universe.

Can you, or anybody, tell me what product or service e-biz provided?

Viking Coder

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[e-gold-list] Re: More Questions

2000-12-31 Thread George Matyjewicz


f) ...if I have offended, may I offer my recent consumption of two
gigantic and delicious Manhattans as an expedient excuse for my
tactlessness?

Interesting to note how, no matter what folks think about the 
U.S., that our most famous city always comes to the rescue ;-)

..Oh, and by the way, Happy New Year!


Wishing you all a very happy  and prosperous New Year.

George
__
George Matyjewicz,  Chief Executive Officer
Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA
Acct# 120018  Tel: 770-300-3070 Ext 2818
World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web
http://www.standardreserve.com
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[e-gold-list] Re: funding E-Gold

2000-12-31 Thread Craig Haynie

I'll vouch for Coconut Gold. JP, (the owner), is a bit outspoken, but
completely professional and honest when you get past his off-the-cuff
remarks.

http://www.coconutgold.com/

Craig Haynie
GoldDirectory.com

- Original Message -
From: "Ann Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 11:37 PM
Subject: [e-gold-list] funding E-Gold


 Sure, just use http://coconutgold.com ! We're absolutely reliable,
 don't deal with losers, and have never fucked up anything! :) And
 if we can't trade that day I'll send you to someone trustworthy.


 Interesting language for a professional, wouldn't you say.  I have even
 heard of coconutgold, has anyone else.
 Ann

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[e-gold-list] Re: funding E-Gold

2000-12-31 Thread Michael Moore

A rough diamond...in a world of gold.

Kind regards,

Michael Moore
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http://www.gold-today.com
Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here.
https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542

- Original Message -
From: "Craig Haynie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 11:05 PM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: funding E-Gold


 I'll vouch for Coconut Gold. JP, (the owner), is a bit outspoken, but
 completely professional and honest when you get past his off-the-cuff
 remarks.

 http://www.coconutgold.com/

 Craig Haynie
 GoldDirectory.com

 - Original Message -
 From: "Ann Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 11:37 PM
 Subject: [e-gold-list] funding E-Gold


  Sure, just use http://coconutgold.com ! We're absolutely reliable,
  don't deal with losers, and have never fucked up anything! :) And
  if we can't trade that day I'll send you to someone trustworthy.
 
 
  Interesting language for a professional, wouldn't you say.  I have even
  heard of coconutgold, has anyone else.
  Ann
 
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[e-gold-list] Re: SR Identity

2000-12-31 Thread Donald D. Henson

 It would be very nice if there were a legal way to have freedom
 and privacy and be left alone in peace.  But it is self-delusion
 to imagine that this is possible.  As you say, these "things are
 not respected or valued by the system".  Any laws currently 
 consistent with these values are temporary historical aberations 
 which, since they are incompatible with the logic of power, will, 
 in the long run, be progressively eliminated.

Perhaps not. Have a look at http://www.tcrf.com/

Don Henson


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[e-gold-list] PGP's Web of Trust

2000-12-31 Thread Bob

http://www.rubin.ch/pgp/weboftrust.en.html

http://www.google.com/search?q=pgp%2Bweb%2Bof%2BtrustbtnG=Google+Search

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[e-gold-list] Re: The offer still stands (sincerely!)

2000-12-31 Thread Eric Gaither, Gaithman's E-Gold Exchange

Hello,

 e-gold as a system is trustworthy. How can a e-gold payment be "good" one
 moment and then not "good" later?

   I did not mean to imply e-gold payments are not "good" as there is gold
backing them.  I was speaking more from a "moralistic" viewpoint because of
the amount of scams people are pulling on Market Makers.  I am not referring
to things like the "programs" out there, after all, "buyer beware":

 How many times have you heard about the following situation?
 Some people are told that they can double their money in 48 hrs - 45 days.
 They each give a US $100 bill.
 They soon find out they were scammed.
 They then begin complaining  griping to high heaven that the USD is not
 trustworthy because they were scammed.

   I am referring to people who are using counterfeit checks, charging back
credit card purchases, supplying bogus money orders, counterfeit USD, and so
on.  This costs SOMEONE in the Gold Economy a loss (yes, almost always a
Market Maker) because of the time it can take to be declared "bogus" by a
bank or financial institution. (Checks can be reversed fourteen days later,
charge backs 6 months later, PayPal, oh, FORGET PayPal)  Those losses then
have to be passed on somewhere.  Guess who eventually pays for it?  What do
you think Inexchange expenses are for?  I love how everyone is quietly
implying that the Market Makers are NOT doing enough to keep from getting
hit.  (Stop taking these payment methods, only take referred clients, use
PGP, just take bank wires,)  Guess what folks?  These counterfeiters and
scammers don't just affect the Market Makers.  They affect you as well.
When was the last time you were able to buy e-gold for SPOT price?

 If you are getting repeatedly scammed be credit cards, checks, etc... then
 don't accept them anymore. Don't complain that e-gold is untrustworthy
 anymore.


This is an argument that obviously cannot be solved in a simple manner
such as just saying "stop accepting xyz payments."  I have (four times so
far) revamped the payment methods I accept.  Each time, thieves have simply
designed new methods to cheat.  Does this sound like I am crying "victim"?
Yes, on one hand I have been victimized by people trying to obtain e-gold
fraudulently. No, I do not shirk the fact that I have certain
responsibilities to "know my endorsers".  Currently, the best method to do
so, is to validate their ID with a Driver's License, photocopies of cc's, SS
#, etc..  However, certain groups are now proficient at counterfeiting those
documents as well. (You would be amazed at what people can counterfeit!)

By the way, classifying all hackers as untrustworthy
 evildoers is the same as classifying all gun owners as cold murderers.

 Yes, you are correct.   My sincere apologies to all of you legitimate
hackers out there that are simply "hacking" for non-criminal reasons.  I
happen to know some of the best "hackers" out there are responsible for some
great technological breakthroughs and other noble achievements. I applaud
your "thinking outside the box" and using "non-traditional methods" to
acheive what has not yet been done or thought could not be done.

The irony to all of this that a massive debate has been sparked by MM's
desires to have e-gold users ID'd.  It is not that we care WHO you are or
WHERE you are from, or WHAT you are going to do with your e-gold.  We just
need to know that we have a recourse if your payment is bad.  Quite the
double edged sword: give people a currency that is non-reputable in exchange
for the *crap* (fiat monies) they trade in now.  No matter what policies or
procedures we have in place, thieves find ways around it.  Want proof: ask
ANY Market Maker (even e-gold or GSR) if they have a full proof method to
stop this from happening.  In fact, my guess is this is EXACTLY why Market
Makers were called for in the first place:  insulation from fiat monies.

 So, keep your anonymity, keep your privacy, keep your financial affairs
private.  In return, all we ask is that you keep your BOGUS PAYMENTS to
yourself as well!

 This message was brought to you by the fine folks of:  Anti-Scam.
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Happy New Years!

  Eric
- Original Message -
From: Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 3:32 AM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: The offer still stands (sincerely!)


  However, e-gold is now rampant with thieves, counterfeiters, and hackers
who
  have obtained their gold stores illegally.  The trust is then gone. Sure
the
  payment is "good" at the 

[e-gold-list] Re: More Questions

2000-12-31 Thread B Ray

--Original Message--
From: "Michael Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: December 31, 2000 7:43:07 AM GMT
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: More Questions


sheaves of blockquotes and  irritating
hieroglyphic html code


I would like to know what they mean
Boyd Pate
Play for fun or for Real, Win Gold
http://www.thegoldcasino.com/win.cgi?3202416


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[e-gold-list] Re: The offer still stands (sincerely!)

2000-12-31 Thread Viking Coder

 This is an argument that obviously cannot be solved in a simple manner
 such as just saying "stop accepting xyz payments."  I have (four times so
 far) revamped the payment methods I accept.  Each time, thieves have simply
 designed new methods to cheat.  Does this sound like I am crying "victim"?

No. 

 I happen to know some of the best "hackers" out there are responsible for some
 great technological breakthroughs and other noble achievements. I applaud
 your "thinking outside the box" and using "non-traditional methods" to
 acheive what has not yet been done or thought could not be done.
 

e-gold definitely falls into thinking outside the box and using
non-traditional methods. Like Douglas Jackson said at IRS II, "e-gold
isn't an obvious, easy concept. If it was, somebody else would have
already done it."

 No matter what policies or procedures we have in place, thieves find ways
 around it.

This doesn't just apply to e-gold. This is way things have always been,
and will probably always be. It also gives a nice challenge. We don't want
life to get too stagnated and boring, now do we? :)

  So, keep your anonymity, keep your privacy, keep your financial affairs
 private.  In return, all we ask is that you keep your BOGUS PAYMENTS to
 yourself as well!
 

Okay. I have no problem with that. 

Viking Coder

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[e-gold-list] Possible scam?

2000-12-31 Thread B Ray

I received this post website address from a list that I subscribe to. 
http://big5.to/64U  

Following is the information that was on it.  Now if this is not the classic ponzi 
scheme then I don't know what is.  

I did some quick math(and I may be wrong)but if you multiply $10 x the 15625 you must 
get you get $156,250 minus the $19530 leaves the promoter with $136,720.  Not bad huh 
How many with go for this and then complain wonder what happened.  As you can see they 
are using the e-gold system for the payments.  Anyone know anything about this deal?
Regards
B Pate

Following SIX4YOU, System will push you going through the all SIX levels automatically 
and then make at least $19,530 for you.

What you should do is to pay $10 to join the System and introduce 5 people to SIX4YOU.

How SIX4YOU works? Well, There are six levels in the System. Each participant needs to 
introduce 5 people to the system. When you introduce at least 5 people to the system, 
we will pay you $5. This is the first level. Once you finish the first level, what you 
need to do is just let the system make at least $19,525 for you. The 5 people you 
sponsor will also introduce 5 people to this system, this is the second level, and 
will reach least 5¥5=25 people. When there are at least 25 people in your second 
level, we will pay you $25. Then when your Third level reach to 5¥5¥5=125 people, we 
will pay you $125. When your Forth level reach to 5¥5¥5¥5=625 people, we will pay you 
$625. When your Fifth level reach to 5¥5¥5¥5¥5=3125 people, we will pay you $3125. 
When your Sixth level reach to 5¥5¥5¥5¥5¥5=15,625 people, we will pay you $15,625. So, 
How much will you be paid?

*   When 1st level reaches to 5 people, you will get $5.
*   When 2nd level reaches to 25 people, you will get $25.
*   When 3rd level reaches to 125 people, you will get $125.
*   When 4th level reaches to 625 people, you will get $625.
*   When 5th level reaches to 3125 people, you will get $3125.
*   When 6th level reaches to 15,625 people, you will get $15,625.
*   So, the total you make amounts to 5+25+125+625+3125+15,625= $19,530, and you 
invested just $10.
*   If you introduce more than 5 people or there are more than the least number of 
people in each level, you will get more than the money show in above list. Each 
additional people equal to $1.

You can see your downline state in the following site.
64U Viewer
When you finish all of 6 levels, you can join once again. There is no limit for how 
many times you join SIX4YOU. You can also rejoin SIX4YOU when you are not finish the 
System, but you must pay $10 for each sign-up.
Ask our staff if you have any question

How do you get your payments? All payments transact with e-gold. If you have no e-gold 
account, go to the following site to get one. It’s free for sign up.

Get an e-gold account

You also need to pay $10 by e-gold to join SIX4YOU, so you must fund you e-gold 
account if there is no money in your account.

How can you fund your e-gold account? There are two ways!

1.The first and most cost effective way is to receive payment in e-gold from another 
account holder. It takes only a few seconds for transactions to clear and settle this 
way. 

2. The second way is to exchange your national currency for e-gold using the services 
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[e-gold-list] Interesting Respons to My Rant

2000-12-31 Thread Destiny Worldwide Net

The responses via private email to my rant against SR and BB have all 
been positive, except for one.

I have been around long enough to not believe in coincidences 
anymore.  Within HOURS of my rant, I received an email from BB [I 
will not disclose the agency at this point, does it matter?].  Is 
this just a coincidence, or was this a result of a spy at SR who was 
outraged at what I said?  Or is there a government stooge on this 
list [probably]?

How interesting.  this almost VERIFIES what Dale Pond said about 
spies at SR.  Maybe even their principals don't know, or maybe this 
is their defense against freedom loving competition.  

So, was this nasty note from BB a coincidence, or a result of my 
posting here?  You can make up your own mind.

Well, I have this message for the imbicilic government stooge and 
lacky who sent me an email:  WE ARE NOT INTIMIDATED BY YOU. 
Get a life, bother someone in your jurisdiction who cares what 
you think!

I will use my freedom of speech to say whatever I please regardless 
of what you or other jerks like you think!

 John
-It's FINALLY HERE!--
The financial resource you've been waiting for!  
Internet based OFFSHORE BANKING that gives you high 
rates of interest [up to 15%/yr.] and the flexibility to pay 
bills through the net and send and receive money through 
the net. Debit cards also available!  Much more!
 Find details at http://www.offshorearnings.com

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[e-gold-list] Re: Interesting Respons to My Rant

2000-12-31 Thread Dale Pond

Destiny Worldwide Net wrote:


 How interesting.  this almost VERIFIES what Dale Pond said about
 spies at SR.

Whoa fella! I never said or implied such a thing. Please be careful of what you
speak (write). If anything I may have implied there are people there who are not
quite up to speed on come laws. This temporary condition is being remedied I'm
sure thanks to all the valuable inputs from so many sincere and knowledgeable
subscribers to this list.

To me SR is about to make history once they get their ducks in a row. I find it
fascinating to watch as it unfolds. In fact I'm contemplating one of those new
fangled Soverign accounts as soon as they get the bugs worked out.

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Regards,
Dale Pond
Delta Spectrum Research
http://www.SVPvril.com
Sympathetic Vibratory Physics
Sacred Science - Sacred Life
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[e-gold-list] Re: Interesting Respons to My Rant

2000-12-31 Thread Eric Gaither, Gaithman's E-Gold Exchange

John,

   I would be very interested in reading this message you received!

Eric

- Original Message -
From: Destiny Worldwide Net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 9:30 AM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Interesting Respons to My Rant


 The responses via private email to my rant against SR and BB have all
 been positive, except for one.

 I have been around long enough to not believe in coincidences
 anymore.  Within HOURS of my rant, I received an email from BB [I
 will not disclose the agency at this point, does it matter?].  Is
 this just a coincidence, or was this a result of a spy at SR who was
 outraged at what I said?  Or is there a government stooge on this
 list [probably]?

 How interesting.  this almost VERIFIES what Dale Pond said about
 spies at SR.  Maybe even their principals don't know, or maybe this
 is their defense against freedom loving competition.

 So, was this nasty note from BB a coincidence, or a result of my
 posting here?  You can make up your own mind.

 Well, I have this message for the imbicilic government stooge and
 lacky who sent me an email:  WE ARE NOT INTIMIDATED BY YOU.
 Get a life, bother someone in your jurisdiction who cares what
 you think!

 I will use my freedom of speech to say whatever I please regardless
 of what you or other jerks like you think!

  John
 -It's FINALLY
HERE!--
 The financial resource you've been waiting for!
 Internet based OFFSHORE BANKING that gives you high
 rates of interest [up to 15%/yr.] and the flexibility to pay
 bills through the net and send and receive money through
 the net. Debit cards also available!  Much more!
  Find details at http://www.offshorearnings.com

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[e-gold-list] Re: funding E-Gold

2000-12-31 Thread jpm

thanks all!

*touched*

:)

Happy New Year!

I'm getting married, by the way!

http://www.interestingsoftware.com/wedding/

-JP




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[e-gold-list] FWD: 24-carat bid to restore gold standard

2000-12-31 Thread Rachel Willmer

To read the full story with its related links and pictures at Scotland
on Sunday Online, go to
http://www.scotlandonsunday.com/news.cfm?id=SS00041754

24-carat bid to restore gold standard

GOLD appears to have lost its glitter. Producers of the world's most
famous precious metal are to launch an unprecedented £50m advertising
blitz to restore its allure in the face of declining sales and a
disastrous price slump. 

The World Gold Council, which represents dozens of gold-mining nations,
is seeking an advertising agency to mastermind the campaign to restore
the reputation of the metal which for centuries sparked wars, sustained
economies and adorned the planet's most beautiful women.

To read the full story with its related links and pictures at Scotland
on Sunday Online, go to
http://www.scotlandonsunday.com/news.cfm?id=SS00041754

Jeremy Watson
Sunday 31 December 2000
Scotland on Sunday

This story cannot be reproduced without permission.

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[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold / SR ??

2000-12-31 Thread Sidd

On 31 Dec 2000, at 8:41, Jim Stewart wrote:

 I'm OK with "DEBT instruments" denominated in Gold as long as its
clear they
 are NOT money.

A debt instrument can NEVER be money, it is merely a contract
(promise) to pay.


Claude wrote:
I am not sure you realize what you are saying. Gold denominated
debt instruments can also include derivatives like options and
future contracts. Some of these contracts can exposed the debtor
to unlimited risks.

Precisely Claude, it makes absolutely NO difference what a "DEBT
instrument" is denominated in; whether you owe me 1 USD or 1
grams of gold or 1 cornflakes, you still owe me, and the ONLY
value I have is your ABILITY to pay.

If for any reason you lose that ability to pay, I lose. In other
words, having a portion of a currency backed by debt instruments is in
effect having that portion backed by NOTHING, no matter what the
denomination. That is how one ends up with a "fractional reserve"
situation. IOW only a fraction of the assets declared by the financial
institution (currency) actually exist, the rest is just promises.

IMNSHO a very dangerous and unhappy situation!

Regards,

Sidd.


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[e-gold-list] Re: Fw: Free Visa Card?

2000-12-31 Thread Khurram Khan



This is your new normal, Mr. MLMer.



So I guess MLM is automatically associated with Ponzi Schemes now a days.  Personaly, 
I don't find any thing wrong with a company using Multi Level Marketing to promote 
their business.  In the case of this Visa company, Instead of paying $10 million to 
air a commercial on TV during the super bowl they destribute it to people who are 
actually promoting their product.  Hey even e-gold is an MLM in ways.  Instead of 
spending million + time + energy to promote they have an incentive program.

  Khurram Khan

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