[e-gold-list] RE: inquiring minds
E-god is U.S. based .. but it doesn't feel safe tucking the gold away on IT'S shores, it sent it away to Nevis .. have you ever wondered "why" ? E-god is NOT a "foreign individual" (IBC, Ltd, etc) it is a U.S. Corporation .. so WHY the Nevis move ? Would that move put the gold OUT of the reach of the SEC, IRS and other self appointed collection agencies should something go dreadfully wrong with the management of E-god ? Exactly WHICH law enforcement agency (DDU) does EGOLD have to answer to ? And to WHICH court would we need to plead our case should EGOLD go astray ? In addition to these thought provoking questions there is MORE evidence that E-god does NOT respect the rights of the "foreign individual" .. they have YOUR money (in gold) and really don't give a damn WHAT your rights are .. yet they keep YOUR gold OFFshore (probably to give an "edge" to THEIR "rights" ?) ... The U.S. gov has a favorite way of answering all of the questions one might ask of it about LOST "rights" .. they say, "We're doing it to protect YOU, .. it's for YOUR benefit". And the people lose one "right" after another. I would BET that E-god gives the SAME answer for the Nevis move as the U.S. gives .. but, really, what's the bottom line impact of that move for the MANAGEMENT/OWNERSHIP of E-god ? Now, WHERE do YOU fit in when you want YOUR gold BACK ? Is is possible that E-god could just thumb it's collective nose at you and walk away with YOUR gold ? You betcha ! ... CAN do ANYtime they feel like it btw .. here's the latest from the "Costa" fiasco .. ask Costa THEIR opinion quote: ***CostaGold Update*** Thursday, February 15, 2001 Hello Members, This is a short update to inform you that a copy of a letter sent to e-gold today is posted on the Costagold site for everyone to view. In essence, it states that the request made by e-gold and the divulgence of the information they are requesting Costagold to provide is an unlawful act under both the laws of Nevis where e-gold has said they are incorporated and Dominica where K.F.T.J.Ltd has proven its incorporation. It then goes on to request the immediate release of the funds to CostaGold. Thank you for your patience as we resolve this matter. Your faith in our efforts is appreciated. Jon Robert end quote and if you took your case to court (in the U.S.) and WON then which U.S. agency has the empowerment to go to Nevis and COLLECT the gold that you won the right to in court ? NONE and ALL you have done is "win" a case ... no enforcement. LaMarr M. Dell Sr. Exchange your "rights" for gold .. E-gold.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: inquiring minds
E-god is U.S. based .. but it doesn't feel safe tucking the gold away on IT'S shores, it sent it away to Nevis .. have you ever wondered "why" ? There's no gold in Nevis. The gold is in a bullion bank in Toronto. E-god is NOT a "foreign individual" (IBC, Ltd, etc) it is a U.S. Corporation .. so WHY the Nevis move ? Would that move put the gold OUT of the reach of the SEC, IRS and other self appointed collection agencies should something go dreadfully wrong with the management of E-god ? No, but it might make it less likely that a plaintiff in a lawsuit against GSR, could convince the court that the gold behind the e-gold system was an asset of GSR, if the gold was in a trust, under the care of two corporations, incorporated in two non-US countries. I believe that part of the split was the idea to separate the gold, which belongs to the account holders, from any liabilities that GSR might incur. Let's say that GSR DID honor a wire request for one million dollars but did not go through the process of identifying the person requesting the wire. They could be liable for gross-negligence in a case like this, (if they were wrong), and it seems unlikely that anyone would move that much money out of an account without trying to find out who it is requesting the move. Exactly WHICH law enforcement agency (DDU) does EGOLD have to answer to ? And to WHICH court would we need to plead our case should EGOLD go astray That would depend in which manner they went astray. In addition to these thought provoking questions there is MORE evidence that E-god does NOT respect the rights of the "foreign individual" .. they have YOUR money (in gold) and really don't give a damn WHAT your rights are .. yet they keep YOUR gold OFFshore (probably to give an "edge" to THEIR "rights" ?) ... Isn't that why Costa Gold's offshore, with no public record of its officers, so that they are accountable to no one? Is is possible that E-god could just thumb it's collective nose at you and walk away with YOUR gold ? You betcha ! ... CAN do ANYtime they feel like it All Costa Gold has to do is file a lawsuit against GSR. Of course, they would have to identify themselves to a court to do that, and I don't think they will. Of course, they could wait 10 years, until the statute of limitations for fraud expires, and THEN sue to resolve this. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Inflation on the horizon?
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[e-gold-list] RE: inquiring minds
E-god is NOT a "foreign individual" (IBC, Ltd, etc) it is a U.S. Corporation .. e-gold Ltd. is a Nevis Corporation not a US corporation ? C --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: inquiring minds
quote: All Costa Gold has to do is file a lawsuit against GSR. Of course, they would have to identify themselves to a court to do that, and I don't think they will. Of course, they could wait 10 years, until the statute of limitations for fraud expires, and THEN sue to resolve this. Craig end quote something for ALL of you service providers and promoters of egold to think about is the "reputation" that E-god is building. Right now this "Costa" thing has been going on for weeks (and, according to Craig, it MAY go on for YEARS) .. does it look like Costa is going to just walk away ? There is OVER ONE MILLION DOLLARS US IN GOLD on the table. Think about WHERE that gold came from ... E-god account holders .. NO one else ... thousands of them .. and they are ALL talking about what E-god is doing to THEM .. the ACCOUNT HOLDERS are the ones paying the price for E-gold.coms "requirements" ... BAD PUBLIC RELATIONS are the result. Now, what about a situation where some OTHER corporation is thinking about putting THEIR payroll into gold .. and payday rolls around, and E-god decides they "need to know" who the owners REALLY are (and those owners are "foreign individuals") ... payroll WON'T go out, and UNhappy employees are the result. Now, tell that OFFshore corporation what a good thing egold is ... It is my understanding that the Kennedy family (and many other super wealthy families) are REALLY paupers .. ALL of their "wealth" belongs to trusts and IBCs .. do you think any of THEM is going to step forward to show proof of "ownership" should E-god demand it ? Under the international laws governing HOW THEIR BUSINESS IS SET UP they should not need to. Even U.S. corporations should recognize that others have RIGHTS also. E-gold need only observe what minimum is required for "due diligence" and then RELEASE the funds .. stop this farce about IDENTIFYING THE "TRUE OWNERS" ... Lawyers are contacting you, e-gold, get serious ... what is YOUR true agenda ? Where is the legal requirement that says you have to drag this out ANY more ? WE are satisfied that you have performed "due diligence" and WE are satisfied that "Costa" has provided ENOUGH identification and WE would like you to release OUR gold ... but WE aren't running the show, are WE ? Do WE have any say in how far YOUR "e-gold" idea will get on the internet ? You betcha :)) WE have "rights" also Has everyone heard about "Internet Dollars" ? Here is a little email I received from the folks there .. Oh, I believe ANY of the service providers CAN switch your gold into I$ REAL easy .. I$ are a LOT more flexible also .. quote: LaMarr shalom, I$ is a code based system. Thus has no way to know the owners of its emoney. It is like (if) the US authorities will come to the US Central Bank and ask the bank officials to tell them who has 100$ with this note number. I suggest you use it, thus understand its stength. FYI, Arik Schenkler - CEO Internet Dollar is the money of the Internet - http://internetdollar.com end quote*** See ? NO IDENTITY REQUIRED .. SWAP FUNDS IN TOTAL PRIVACY ... I$ ... LaMarr M. Dell Sr. Swap "gold" for "I$" KEEP your identity PRIVATE p.s. would any of you service providers like to acknowledge that YOU can help "swap" our funds ? or should we just go to the site to do it ? p.p.s. I suggest that ALL unhappy COSTA players cast your VOTE by kissing "e-gold" good-by. Costa, switch your payroll system. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: inquiring minds
Right now this "Costa" thing has been going on for weeks (and, according to Craig, it MAY go on for YEARS) .. does it look like Costa is going to just walk away ? There is OVER ONE MILLION DOLLARS US IN GOLD on the table. Tough decision. Identify yourself, receive one million dollars, and be held accountable -- or not. Think about WHERE that gold came from ... It came from people who were thinking they were going to get an extremely high, quick, return on an investment -- which is not possible if Costa Gold sells the e-gold and takes the cash. It's not even possible if they don't, since no such legitimate investment can grow at those rates. E-god account holders .. NO one else ... thousands of them .. and they are ALL talking about what E-god is doing to THEM .. the ACCOUNT HOLDERS are the ones paying the price for E-gold.coms "requirements" ... BAD PUBLIC RELATIONS are the result. That works both ways. I like the idea of knowing that GSR acts prudently when requests to withdraw e-gold are made. Now, what about a situation where some OTHER corporation is thinking about putting THEIR payroll into gold .. and payday rolls around, and E-god decides they "need to know" who the owners REALLY are (and those owners are "foreign individuals") ... payroll WON'T go out, and UNhappy employees are the result. Corporations who wish to have anonymous accounts should NOT use e-gold for this purpose. Most people, and corporations, who intend to acquire large amounts of e-gold would first read the user agreement. Why didn't Costa Gold? Now, tell that OFFshore corporation what a good thing egold is ... It is my understanding that the Kennedy family (and many other super wealthy families) are REALLY paupers .. ALL of their "wealth" belongs to trusts and IBCs .. do you think any of THEM is going to step forward to show proof of "ownership" should E-god demand it ? Under the international laws governing HOW THEIR BUSINESS IS SET UP they should not need to. Even U.S. corporations should recognize that others have RIGHTS also. It wouldn't matter if the Kennedys had others acting with a 'power of attorney'. I can't imagine any legitimate business or bank allowing wires to be issued from anonymous sources. The person ordering the wire may not be a Kennedy, but he will be identified. E-gold need only observe what minimum is required for "due diligence" and then RELEASE the funds .. stop this farce about IDENTIFYING THE "TRUE OWNERS" ... Lawyers are contacting you, e-gold, get serious ... what is YOUR true agenda ? Where is the legal requirement that says you have to drag this out ANY more ? WE are satisfied that you have performed "due diligence" and WE are satisfied that "Costa" has provided ENOUGH identification and WE would like you to release OUR gold ... but WE aren't running the show, are WE ? So, are you an owner of Costa Gold? Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: inquiring minds
Let's get one item straight right now. e-gold, i.e. e-gold ltd. fulfilled it's user agreement flawlessly. e-gold ltd., without a due diligence check, transfered over US$1 million worth of e-gold from the account of Costa Gold to the account of Omnipay/GSR. Omnipay/GSR then received several conflicting instructions on what to do with the funds. They even received reports that Costa Gold's security had been breached. Upon receiving this information, they made IMHO a very smart decision. Omnipay/GSR, NOT e-gold ltd., put the $1 million worth of e-gold into an escrow account. In other words, even Omnipay/GSR doesn't have the money, a trusted group of lawyers/escrow agents is in control of the money. Now on to my comments about other people comments... LaMarr Dell wrote : E-god is U.S. based .. but it doesn't feel safe tucking the gold away on IT'S shores, it sent it away to Nevis .. have you ever wondered "why" ? : e-gold is not U.S. based. They are a Nevis based corporation. The last time I checked, Nevis was not legally held in any form or fashion by the United States of America. The gold isn't in Nevis. It is in escrow at the Bank of Nova Scotia in Toronto. The escrow agents are Central Escrow Agency, Ltd. SnowDog wrote : All Costa Gold has to do is file a lawsuit against GSR. Of course, they would have to identify themselves to a court to do that, and I don't think they will. Of course, they could wait 10 years, until the statute of limitations for fraud expires, and THEN sue to resolve this. : Correct. At which point they would receive 116,329.97 AUG (128,683.6 AUG minus 10 years of agio fees). Which is still a significant amount of money. So here is my suggestion to Costa Gold. Find some other way to scam people for 10 years that doesn't involve e-gold and then raise a ruckus and sue for receipt of the funds. LaMarr Dell wrote : p.p.s. I suggest that ALL unhappy COSTA players cast your VOTE by kissing "e-gold" good-by. Costa, switch your payroll system. : Please! Tell this to all the other scammers out there as well. Leave e-gold alone! We do not need scammers or the mass herds of sheep, who wish to place blame on anybody but themself, that they bring with them. They are the ones giving the bad reputation to e-gold, e-gold ltd., Omnipay/GSR. Viking Coder p.s. LaMarr, why do keep referring to e-gold as "e-god"? I have never, nor I am currently, nor will I ever, fall to my knees and worship the Jackson brothers (Reid Doug); or even James Ray. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: inquiring minds
quote: they made IMHO a very smart decision. Omnipay/GSR, NOT e-gold ltd., put the $1 million worth of e-gold into an escrow account end quote** e-gold, OmniPay, GSR .. same thing .. "egold" for short. We ALL know, at least by now we all SHOULD know, that they are ALL the same people .. quote: a trusted group of lawyers/escrow agents is in control of the money. end quote** "trusted" by whom ? Costa has done what it LEGALLY should do to REclaim THEIR funds but the "trusted" folks won't give it up ... THEY (the escrow folks) aren't happy . Part of those funds are MINE and I DON'T trust 'em .. how much are they eating up in "fees" while they are playing their GOD game ? and as it sits it loses value .. how much will FINALLY go back to Costa ? someone is making a tidy sum just sitting there LOOKING at it. quote: e-gold is not U.S. based. They are a Nevis based corporation end quote* Last time I looked at it I found that ALL of the "holy Trinity" (egod, OmniPay and GSR) ARE located in the U.S. ... residents, citizens and offices ... the fact that THEY went offshore to set up THEIR corporation says that they would RATHER be under the laws of some OTHER country .. why's that ? Maybe for the SAME reason that "Costa" is ? yet they (AND YOU) **FAULT** "Costa" for that kind of move, h.. double standard? quote: So here is my suggestion to Costa Gold. Find some other way to scam people for 10 years that doesn't involve e-gold and then raise a ruckus and sue for receipt of the funds. end quote*** so then, as the spokesperson for egold/OP/GSR YOU are saying that YOU are the one to decide who is "honest" and who is NOT ? you DON'T need a court of law or jury or evidence or ANY of that other stuff that usually gets in the way of the hangman? AND, all of these so called "game sites" should NOT use e-gold for ANY of their activities ? the Players should pull out their gold and use some OTHER currency format ? is that YOUR desire ? quote: Please! Tell this to all the other scammers out there as well. Leave e-gold alone! We do not need scammers or the mass herds of sheep, who wish to place blame on anybody but themself, that they bring with them. They are the ones giving the bad reputation to e-gold, e-gold ltd., Omnipay/GSR. end quote* yep! ! that is EXACTLY what YOUR decision is .. there it is in PLAIN sight for ALL to see. Okay game OPERATORS AND PLAYERS, the word is in (or "out") YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE ... LEAVE TOWN AND DO NOT TAKE ANY E-GOLD WITH YOU btw, "Viking"?, should YOU turn in all of your national currency ? because drug dealers use it, gambling houses use it, houses of prostitution use it, beer halls use it, covert activities use it, . what currency do YOU use ? you don't want currency with ANY stigma attached to it in YOUR pocket, do you ? good luck in trying to find it.. Do you want "clean money" ? you ONLY get that after "money laundering", and I think some "big boys" are offened at that "game" also. quote: LaMarr, why do keep referring to e-gold as "e-god"? I have never, nor I am currently, nor will I ever, fall to my knees and worship the Jackson brothers (Reid Doug); or even James Ray. end quote*** well, since you DON'T get it, I'll explain (I think MOST folks already see the inference) .. e-gold has set its **SELF** up to play "GOD" over other folks financial matters. The rules they are laying down (and making up as they go) are NOT to make some government happy (so they SAY) .. they just want to be "God" figures over your financial future .. and they would like for this power to extend WORLD WIDE .. Get it now ? LaMarr M. Dell Sr. E-Gold .. Changing the world of "currency" .. to meet THEIR needs. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: FWIW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/GD/21 looks like a small bottom to me - brave to call a bottom on the price, though! :) JP! (it's all in the charts) That's a COMEX chart which now shows a gap down which could be an exhaustion gap. The close is about 4 bucks above '99's 20 year low. It could be an exhaustion gap on the downside meaning prices are getting ready to bottom for a while, but too early to say. On the CMX futures there is no gap down. The USD Index moved decisively up. The SF, Euro and BP decisively down. The CD didn't really move but doesn't look bullish. I can get daily open, high, low, close and volume on the CMX. I can't measure it but it looks like capital is still flowing to the US. The US's trade deficit did decrease (capital slowing down in it's move to the US somewhat) recently but that may be due to past skittishness in the US equity markets. I think the net capital flow will probably stay positive (capital will continue to move to the US for a while longer). Of course that remains to be seen. It's a relativity game. Capital goes where it's best treated. I can't see the first (even a failed one) end of trend signal yet as of the close on Thursday on the CMX. That doesn't mean it can't develope shortly. We may be within days or a week or so of a double bottom. So there was increased need of USD money vs. gold money and other major western fiat money *yesterday*. The Yen actually went up(?). At least that's what I'm seeing when I watch currencies moving vs. each other. JP, thanks for getting back to me. I meant to send this to the list. Bob "Inflation only occurs when the government prints paper money that is not backed by increased production." - Richard Salsman "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul." - George Bernard Shaw (thank you PeelPee) -- http://www.constructiongigs.com/ Use gold as money. It's easy. Create a free e-gold account here: http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=101670 ConstructionGigs.com's PGP public key is here: http://www.constructiongigs.com/assets/DH-DSSkey.txt Fingerprint: 3C4D A63F 3C8B 2D7B 7E1A FFE8 9A2E 4D78 CAD6 66B7 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] OmniPay (www.omnipay.net) SSL certificate update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- after a longer than expected delay, the OmniPay web site has a "real" SSL certificate back in place. www.omnipay.net IP address: 206.102.213.50 verisign SSL authenticity link: https://digitalid.verisign.com/as2/393e3efd0b4f053e88903b7fe90daf70 certificate details: common name=www.omnipay.net serial number=5E:31:95:0A:10:41:01:A5:0C:23:08:6F:16:7A:4E:41 validity=Mon Feb 12, 2001 to Sat Feb 16, 2002 this is an SGC (i.e. step-up) certificate so most everyone should be able to establish a 128 bit (i.e. high strength) encrypted session. jay w. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 iQEVAwUBOonJ2MyM0YPqVE7FAQEowwf/ax/JMd599A3iHe6S7sgubqWdmQKXUfHv g+0Bl6aZgfR2rIc6WMe3k0PBqWZAiCMOSup5r0LHqUy9T5sj71raE34VBEn1U6mK 98pd0wiQlADjmb1KlknF8Ih2evMZpkpPd74z/nAvh1lDgjGmWQZOOXeAkewtIGWB HRAFxgekpMnapQRFmm97arzTa29YJFWtTY5SFGWV7qHwWW+mHYINiG5WDwlPqlHR ZBGeQ9+DpcdpE/NciUoibOk0dTDDUBilJqS1Qxwqr6Sn4vhHpA92OyqHI5dsjEFS KCbSCX+VUHN18KAoGczshLj/jGES/72UbXFs3cNg2P6fnvxnvr/prA== =Dkq6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: how to reach egold users
I can reach at least a thousand (responsive) egold users (probably 2000) with one email. :-) Suzanna - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 1:22 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] how to reach egold users Actually, i'm offering a 5 gram bounty RIGHT NOW to anyone who canstate in English without waffling any other method for reachingpeople who actually use e-gold. I'd be very happy to send on the 5grams!Yesthis discussion board. And many others that e-gold users use. You canfind out which ones by subscribing to them and reading the contents.Chuck, it's a good idea, but unfortunately this discussion board, and all the others, reach only a tiny fraction of e-gold users.(I have tried that method extensively, for a couple of different e-gold enterprises, and you only reach a tiny fraction of users.)Indeed there are a number of e-gold "magazine" sites around (like bearerinstruments.com) but again, as yet, they reach only a small fraction of users (still a good thing, a great thing, but still only a small fraction)You can send the 5 grams to a/c 221507Chuck---You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR ONLINE SUCCESS
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[e-gold-list] Make a market?
Is it worth while to consider being an Exchange provider for DigiGold, MetalSavings or any others? Is there someone who is already making a market in these? Regards, George Freeman WiseAssets.com _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] exchange?
Is there an Exchange between e-gold and Goldmoney? George Freeman WiseAssets.com _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: there you go Michael Moore
Let me see if I understand this correctly ... "e-gold" WANTs to become an INTERNATIONAL "money" ... right ? etc. : Bravo, LaMarr Dell! Very good questions regarding e-gold. It will be hard to "No'ers" answer. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 17-Jan-01 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: 1st South African exchange provider now open - great rates, low hassle!
Welcome aboard, we are glad to have you with us!! James Shupperd Money to Gold, and Gold to Money, Pays Referral Comissions Directly to Your eGold account. the FASTEST funding on the net. www.fastgold.net Stay informed about all the latest egold investments, games, and scams. BE INFORMED!!! http://www.e-told.com/?157585 Are you part of The Gold Foundation? If not you need to be. A solid membership that I run. Ask me for the details. God Bless You and Yours, James Shupperd Contact me anytime ICQ # 99212386 Aol Instant Messenger: James Shupperd - Original Message - From: "Georg Ritschl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] 1st South African exchange provider now open - great rates, low hassle! E-Gold enthusiasts from Southern Africa used to have to face considerable hurdles in order to convert their Rands into ounzes of shining e-metal. This is now over! SA-EgoldXchange accepts bank transfers, cheques and cash in South African currency and is located in Johannesburg South Africa. Considering the costs of international wire transfers and losses by conversion of rands into US-Dollar, the service fees are unbeatable: They are starting with just 5% based on E-Gold's published E-Metal/U$ Dollar exchange rate, based on the same day's conversion rate ZAR/U$D as published by Standard Bank South Africa. The website is at www.sa-egoldxchange.com SA-EgoldXchange - a venture of Contour Marketing cc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: DigiGold's AUG vs. the ECB's EUR
Douglas Jackson wrote: DigiGold Ltd. is designed to serve as a private sector currency board, issuing a worldwide gold denominated currency (AUG) that carves out market share as a reserve asset and medium of settlement for financial intermediation, based primarily on its explicit and credible commitment to continuous convertibility on demand into the underlying non-financial base money, e-gold. A question that arises with nearly every attempt to explain DigiGolds role is; Are there any merchants that accept DigiGold?. My usual answer is that DigiGold is intended for use as a financial currency [e.g. cash reserve for banks that participate in the AUG economy] and purposely avoids direct competition with higher level currencies such as Standard Reserve gold that feature automated interfaces to support retail and other specialized payment applications. Perhaps it would be helpful to elaborate further by contrasting DigiGolds payment protocols with those of the institutions it seeks to directly compete with, the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank (ECB) the two currently dominant contenders as worldwide financial currencies. Essentially all significant government central banks and currency boards directly implement two types of payment protocols: 1) an online Real Time Gross Settlement System (RTGS), and, 2) tokens for offline settlement (paper cash and coins)*. Are there any merchants that accept Fed dollars (that is, dollars that represent direct liabilities of the Fed, that monetary aggregate that could be called M0)? Yes, but the only way they can accept them is by physical transfer of possession of the Feds paper cash or coins. Huh? Merchants can accept wires, that are settled on Fedwire, the Feds RTGS - cant they? Well yes and no. No one but qualified financial institutions (banks) may maintain an account at the Fed or the ECB. You as end user may only access remote payment systems indirectly, and to do so you must loan money to (that is, maintain a deposit account at) a financial institution. The bank receives the wire and your account statement will then reflect that the bank owes you the net amount received http://www.frbservices.org/Funds-Transfer/frFunds.cfm Other than the paper dollars you hold, all the US dollars you own are the liability of some higher level financial intermediary. DigiGold differs from the Fed or the ECB in that it allows anyone to establish/maintain an account, immediately and at no cost, with unrestricted access to its RTGS system the SOX/Ricardo technologies developed by Systemics, Inc. and licensed to DigiGold Ltd. Another difference is that settlement of a DigiGold payment entails no fee whatsoever. Member banks of the Fed pay between 17 and 33 centidollars for a settlement using Fedwire's automated interface ($15 for offline, that is, if one of the Feds own wire clerks must manually input the origination or send out a notification). The ECB charges member banks up to EUR 1.75 per automated settlement. More fundamentally, DigiGold differs from government central banks in that DigiGold is subject to the rigorous discipline of redemption on demand for an underlying base money (as, ideally, are other currency boards). Changing gears to talk about offline settlement, consider this scenario. As things stand, inhabitants of every poor country in the world who hold a quantity of US paper dollars are subsidizing the United States government.** Most folks dont mind this and they actually benefit if one compares the US dollar to the monetary alternatives that have heretofore been available to them. Just possibly, however, given a greater variety of choices, people (or, more to the point, the ruling elite of various non-OECD countries) might select differently. Certainly the ECB is hoping that its paper money, once released, will find its way to every corner of the world. But why would someone prefer EUR to USD? The two dont differ regarding the most significant functions of money. Money transmits value through time. In this repect, which one can think of as the store of value function, the only difference between the USD and EUR is the details of their respective asset portfolios, that is, which particular government bonds they hold. In terms of the other major function, conveying value across ownership boundaries (from payer to payee), the only differences might be in the security features of the paper or the handiness of different size bills for different value denominations. Certainly any differences in the respective RTGS systems would be non-apparent to end users. [All higher level settlement mechanisms such as clearinghouse/netting arrangements depend on the local banking system and other infrastructure that have no direct relation to the foreign central bank in question.] So this is the lead-in to bring up DigiGolds rationale for starting to explore offline
[e-gold-list] RE: inquiring minds
p.s. LaMarr, why do keep referring to e-gold as "e-god"? I have never, nor I am currently, nor will I ever, fall to my knees and worship the Jackson brothers (Reid Doug); or even James Ray. Not even Jim??! --- "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: DigiGold's AUG vs. the ECB's EUR
Deep. --- "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: 1st South African exchange provider now open - great rates, low hassle!
Hello, I woould also like to welcome "SA-EgoldXchange" to this list. I am curious, though, have you been contacted *yet* by Barry Downey or Reid Jackson about using the word "e-gold" in your company name? They trademarked the word (several words) and are very strict about companies using the word in their name. Just curious. Welcome and good luck with your ventures! Eric - Original Message - From: "shupperd1" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: 1st South African exchange provider now open - great rates, low hassle! Welcome aboard, we are glad to have you with us!! James Shupperd Money to Gold, and Gold to Money, Pays Referral Comissions Directly to Your eGold account. the FASTEST funding on the net. www.fastgold.net Stay informed about all the latest egold investments, games, and scams. BE INFORMED!!! http://www.e-told.com/?157585 Are you part of The Gold Foundation? If not you need to be. A solid membership that I run. Ask me for the details. God Bless You and Yours, James Shupperd Contact me anytime ICQ # 99212386 Aol Instant Messenger: James Shupperd - Original Message - From: "Georg Ritschl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] 1st South African exchange provider now open - great rates, low hassle! E-Gold enthusiasts from Southern Africa used to have to face considerable hurdles in order to convert their Rands into ounzes of shining e-metal. This is now over! SA-EgoldXchange accepts bank transfers, cheques and cash in South African currency and is located in Johannesburg South Africa. Considering the costs of international wire transfers and losses by conversion of rands into US-Dollar, the service fees are unbeatable: They are starting with just 5% based on E-Gold's published E-Metal/U$ Dollar exchange rate, based on the same day's conversion rate ZAR/U$D as published by Standard Bank South Africa. The website is at www.sa-egoldxchange.com SA-EgoldXchange - a venture of Contour Marketing cc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: DigiGold's AUG vs. the ECB's EUR
Paper currency has the advantage of being holdable by anyone, without any joining process. David Hillary And the unfortunate disadvantage of being easily forged Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: gasp!
and?. MM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] gasp! http://www.mangogold.com/ --- "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR ONLINE SUCCESS
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[e-gold-list] Re: gasp!
He is just the really deep kind a guy, if we have to ask, we don't get it...;-) --- Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and?. MM - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] gasp! http://www.mangogold.com/ --- "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Dagny Taggart __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: exchange?
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[e-gold-list] Re: DigiGold's AUG vs. the ECB's EUR
David Hillary wrote: Digigold, if it could be had as paper as well as in webfunds, would be a fantastic currency. I don't know if this is what you had in mind, but. If somebody sends you a *bearer* payment by email, you can print this out and put it in your pocket. There's the disadvantage of having to copy the characters by hand again into a file or email, or OCR copying. If you send a bearer payment to yourself (PGP encrypted), you can be sure of what you are getting. Decrypt it. Print it. A payment from somebody else, you would have to clear it with the server to be sure. But after that you could make a bearer payment to yourself for that amount. Now this generally wouldn't be practicable, of course. Except occasionally. Bob -- http://www.constructiongigs.com/ Use gold as money. It's easy. Create a free e-gold account here: http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=101670 ConstructionGigs.com's PGP public key is here: http://www.constructiongigs.com/assets/DH-DSSkey.txt Fingerprint: 3C4D A63F 3C8B 2D7B 7E1A FFE8 9A2E 4D78 CAD6 66B7 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: 1st South African exchange provider now open - great rates, low hassle!
Trademarks: a lot of countries do not recognize them. Since South Africa is a foreign country, maybe the all mighty e-gold brothers can not touch him? Of course they can, they can call on the terms of service and refuse to allow the offender to use the e-gold(tm) system. Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: DigiGold's AUG vs. the ECB's EUR
On 16 Feb 2001, at 20:47, Bob wrote: I don't know if this is what you had in mind, but. If somebody sends you a *bearer* payment by email, you can print this out and put it in your pocket. There's the disadvantage of having to copy the characters by hand again into a file or email, or OCR copying. Bob, How this can work? I don't know everything aboit Digigold but it seems to me that you end up with two copies the bearer payment. Digital gold is to the net what dollars bills are to your wallet! They are very handy as you can transert them without the interference of a third party. On the other hand, you can also lose them. My biggest worry is the need for backing and your digital certificate and make sure you can recover from a crash. Definitively not for all users. Claude --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: DigiGold's AUG vs. the ECB's EUR
"James M. Ray" wrote: ... In my next post I will be soliciting some advice relating to the preliminary requirements for DigiGold's offline settlement mechnism(s). I look forward to this promised post. Digigold, if it could be had as paper as well as in webfunds, would be a fantastic currency. There is a real need for a fee free physical cash that is financially sound and gold based if gold is to take off more generally. It seems to me that only by holding financial assets can a currency provider avoid direct fees on users for transactions or asset storage. But I don't think the majority of end users give a damn if their currency is backed by financial assets, provided they know its sound. Paper currency has the advantage of being holdable by anyone, without any joining process. David Hillary Hi David. Paper (or, our favorite, "lipstick on the mirror") digigold will indeed oneday be possible/doable (and therefore done, to some extent or another) IMO, BUT... You may not wish/have to wait. Presently, Norfed does silver notes that are admittedly US-centric, but they're coming out with a gold note and a one ounce gold coin. I know the proprietor, Bernard von Nothaus, pretty well. He's a fun, nice guy, and I own some of his Norfed ALCs, though I must admit I don't use them and will not ever redeem them. They're pretty, though. http://www.norfed.org if interested, and I think a number of the redemption centers take e-gold. JMR "e-gold is to 'money' what email is to letters." -- JP May -- Regards, James M. Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP = 0xAE141134 Try a FREE e-gold account: http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=9 http://www.omnipay.net to buy/sell grams. http://2cw.org/jmr to click. The prob with these norfed notes is that they involve gold storage fees, which gives them a big disadvantage for practical use. The problem is not just that holders pay to hold, it is that the notes no longer are fungable, meaning one can be exchanged for another. The notes last five years and are redeemable at a 5% discount, being the five years storage fees. This makes an old note worth less than a new note -- imagine giving change to shoppers! Cash should be fungable so that each unit is exactly the same value. The reason these fees are necessary is that the notes are backed by physical gold rather than gold debt (the people who create these notes being paranoid about financial risk and 'debt based money' etc.). One possible solution is a depreciating currency, whose value declines by the storage fee over time. E.g. the unit of account would be wigets with one widget being worth, and backed by and redeemable for, a*e^l*t where a is the exchange rate at time zero, e is the base of natural logs (2.718...), l is a value indicating a 'halflife' and t is time. In this way holders pay for storage and other costs via depreciation of their asset (diminishing value, e.g. 1% p.a.), and notes are fungable. This process involves no debt or financial assets, but adds complexity by introducing another currency and unit of value. The more likely solution is a currency like digigold, with a backing including a secondary earning reserve, which is a financial asset, which earns interest. The interest funds the costs such as note printing and metal storage (of the primary liquid reserve). Digigold maintains owners equity at at least 8% of financial assets to ensure that digigold can meet its liabilities. Digigold could also issue paper notes which would neither diminish in value or involve charges. This provides a practical way for the utility of paper notes to be provided. David Hillary --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
