[e-gold-list] Re: Yada yada yada
If all of the gold currencies are compatible with each other, they all have access to the total market. If they are not compatible, as is the case today, and each try to build their own global market, none of them will be as successful because the market will be fragmented. looks to me like there is some oportunity here for some young prodigy to create a system that integrates all the gold currencies. Khurram Khan Some young prodigy is already doing just that. His name is Ian Grigg, and his company is named Systemics, and the thing that will integrate all the disparate currencies are Systemics' Ricardo Issuance Server, and Ricardo Exchange Server. http://www.systemics.com All currencies will be easily convertible into all other currencies, via trading exchanges (Richardo Exchange Server). There is no need to worry about how many currencies there are, nor to try to organize the different currency issuers into a common system. There is nobody even close to providing a solution as good as Systemics', and once Systemics' system gains critical mass (which it will - I give 99% odds on that), all the different currency issuers will set up Ricardo Issuance Servers, and then setting up Ricardo Exchange Servers for trading these currencies with other currencies will be easy. ~ Vincent Youngs --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: in exchnage for usd 4500
I am glad to report the successful conclusion of the exchange with the very reliable and professional JPM from coconutgold.com A very pleasant experience, indeed! Tom --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: all in the charts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check that chart Bob ... http://www.bigcharts.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=dowsid=0o_sy mb=dowfreq=1time=4 To me it looks like the dow (and hence probably the nasdaq, etc) are headin' down again tomorrow. Yes, as long as I'm in front of a screen all day (which I'm not). Dow Chemical, the Dow or the NASDAQ. There's not enough fear yet. Attempted bottoms on the NASDAQ have failed so far. The Dow broke down through it's base it's base too. The USD since Jan. has been making higher highs and higher lows, though. So the US is still the best game in town (not for ever though). Woudl you agree the nasdaq is a real obvious short, if, it breaks down through that "fake W" it's pretending it's trying to make? http://www.bigcharts.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=COMPsid=39036 1o_symb=COMPfreq=1time=4 (perfect to play on xodds! i just put $50 of gold on the nasdaq going down.) BTW did I send the chart for DOW rather than the djia, sorry! :) http://www.bigcharts.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=djiasid=0o_s ymb=djiafreq=1time=4x=43y=20 look at that "hammer" if you like candlestick charts.. JPee! Yes. It went down yesterday on increased volume from the day before, and went down the day before that on increased volume from the day before that day. And, the gold index contract went down to the bottom of it's base while the USD went up again yesterday (new high in it's present up trend). Who cares which way prices are going. :) Bob -- http://www.constructiongigs.com/ Use gold as money. It's easy. Create a free e-gold account here: http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=101670 ConstructionGigs.com's PGP public key is here: http://www.constructiongigs.com/assets/DH-DSSkey.txt Fingerprint: 3C4D A63F 3C8B 2D7B 7E1A FFE8 9A2E 4D78 CAD6 66B7 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: New E-gold Exchange Service
It's amazing what you can do when you call people on the phone. I believe GoldPouch calls all of their customers, and requires all of their customers to be in North America. ha! damn clever!! Yes, they verify by call back but they are not restricted to just North America. They funded a new customer (me) immediately after calling long-distance to Malaysia. Well, there goes one more e-gold exchange service down the tubes. ggg --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Yada yada yada
At 12:58 AM 3/30/2001 -0500, C. Cormier - Ormetal Inc. wrote: On 29 Mar 2001, at 23:04, George Matyjewicz wrote: Read my statement above once again. They are committed, but not yet funded. George, most of these committments are for SR-USD if I read well what you have said over tha past many weeks. And this currency is not part of the Gold Economy. We don't know yet. We have some very large groups coming on with us, and it is the individuals choice (within each group) to use SR USD or SR AUG. They have signed up, paid for our establishing specific programs, and now we are working out the details on how and when to fund the accounts. It could be all SR USD, all SR AUG or a combination of both. I keep saying there is a big world out there that is non-gold, and they have the same transactional issues. Stay tuned - we will be updating. George __ George Matyjewicz, President Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] RE: Metal Savings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Is anyone able to access their gold in MS? MS server should be up on temporary IP address, as jpm mentioned. The problem is that for some odd reason not everyone can access it. If transactions are happening on a manual basis, could someone from MS please keep the list updated. I've forwarded your mail to Eric, his temporary e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your still in business it would be re-assuring to know, if you are running off with the gold (or lost a lot somehow) then it would at least be polite to let people know if they have lost out or not. The MS server should be up by Monday, it has been delayed for a while but problems should be solved over weekend. Paul Vahur IceGold Ltd. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQA/AwUBOsRL20kfcBeFLocdEQLT1QCg2ARlEi+xA8AZmpO6DdPpZYQEmV4AniQX ccvrJHYF23OJ94Dlzo0omtam =9e9q -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously?
"I don't know. I know one may have been a trojan virus situation, but the other two were password retrieval hacking jobs. Egold is aware of this problem and are doing NOTHING about it. Nor will they even help the victims get their funds back. ... " I worry about people hacking into my account too, maybe because I checked a balance on an insecure computer, or downloaded the wrong executable. However, I don't think they hacked into e-gold's database server. If they had done that there would be hundreds of people with this problem. Until security becomes stronger, people might want to split their e-gold up into multiple accounts, or keep the bulk of it in an account which they only check from a 'safe' computer. E-Gold needs to try to improve their account security. Hopefully they'll do something within the next year. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Yada yada yada
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's funny how every new gold currency company on the block touts themselves as revolutionizing global commerce by providing instantly-clearing currency transactions. This claim of having something new and earthshaking is made by Standard Reserve, GoldMoney, and Pecunix, to name three. But really, anybody with a database and a web-server can do that. All you have to do to do international transfers of value is get everyone to sign up on OUR system! It's funny that the companies that make this claim to be the first, weren't. E-gold beat them to it. The existence of these new companies DOES bring up the point that e-gold needs competition for its own good. Competition will force e-gold to provide even better services to stay number one. The gold currency market will be much stronger if there are a number of companies with a stake in it. But this brings up a problem. The more digital currencies that come on the market, the more fragmented the market will become. Merchants are not going to put multiple shopping carts on their web sites. The gold currency companies need to get together and come up with a system that allows one shopping cart to work for all the digital currencies. There is a system that would allow this. It is Vince Cate's SAXAS software. (The same software that Vince and Sean were arguing about the patents to last week.) No one wants to tie their company down to a proprietary software system like that either, though. We need a working group to form an API so that third party vendors, like Vince Cates, could create software to fit the specs. It would work the same way as HTML and browser companies. Anyone could make a financial transaction software that would meet the requirements of the API. This way we all have a choice. The gold currency companies need to realize that they would all benefit by doing this, even e-gold. Here's why: In a fragmented market, say of 500,000 users, e-gold might have 250,000 users, GoldMoney 40,000, Standard Reserve 50,000 and so on. Each currency is limited by this to its own niche market. By creating a system that allows all of these currencies to be compatible with each other all of the currencies now have a market of 500,000 and the users now have a selection of currencies. More choices give more freedom to the users. A larger market gives each currency provider a better opportunity to carve out a market niche. Everyone benefits. Of course, the largest currency provider, e-gold, has the least to gain from this; and the smallest new guys on the block, like Pecunix or GoldMoney gain the most. But the additional credibility that this type of market would lend to digital gold currencies would bolster consumer confidence and help to entice more merchants to switch over to gold currency. So even e-gold, the market leader, stands to benefit significantly and will get more business from this kind of arrangement. Any thoughts? The cause of aggressive price competition and standardisation of electronic gold currencies will be banks, financial institutiuons and financial currencies which create money in the form of their account balances and provide transational as well as savings/lending services. By financial currencies I am referring to currencies backed by primary liquidity reserves and secondary earnings reserves of interest bearing securities. For the gold economy the two most fitted to being dominant financial currencies are standardgold and digigold offering account based and wallet based currencies respectively. Standard Reserve is well placed to dominate account based electronic currency provision offering no storage, account keeping or transaction fees and a setup to ensure liquidity in its currency. Standard Gold should begin investing in interest bearing gold securities as soon as possible to provide revenue to fund its fee free status and security features. Standardgold is allowed to hold its primary liquidity reserves in e-gold, digigold and other electronic gold currencies, and it should offer to redeem its currency in any of these currencies and to accept any of these currencies for the issuance of standardgold. It should accept these currencies at gold redemption value less any spend fee imposed on the payee by the currency, and it should redeem standardgold in other currencies at face value less any spend fee imposed by the redemption currency on the payer. It should also abolish value and spend limits on its free net anywhere accounts. This makes other currencies primarily redemption media for going back to the physical monetary base, i.e. gold bullion, and for those so concerned about financial risk they are prepared to hoard (unproductive) non-financial assets, and makes standardgold the fee free transactional/payment standard. It also forces the in-exchange and bailing-in process to be competitive as the various non-financial
[e-gold-list] e-gold passphrase hygiene
At 5:14 AM -0600 3/30/01, SnowDog wrote: [.] Folks, I'd say "please NEVER access an account over a computer you're not SURE is secure," but I don't follow that advice myself, so it wouldn't be honest. What I do is have an account with very little gold in it (never more than about fifty bucks worth). I access it on my Sprint PCS phone (Sprint is the 'man in the middle,' so you are trusting a telco and all its technical staff, and the "crypto" on these phones is only 64 bit) and on others' computers, which I generally assume to be insecure. Please remember that it's NOT a virus (and increasingly common) for a boss to install keystroke-monitoring software on employees' computers. They own their computers and have the right to install anything they want on them, but now they might also inadvertently own your account number and passphrase, a bad thing. :( Below I have put a few other (totally unofficial!) security suggestions. Feel free to add to them if you can (good suggestions rewarded). http://www.free-market.net/forums/e-gold0008/messages/249450184.html Also, please remember that just because something isn't being talked-about doesn't mean it isn't in the process of improving in the future. Still lots of DO-ing going on if you know where to look, and most of the DO-ers tend *not* to be talkers... Security isn't a one-time thing, it's more a process and a mindset. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Microsoft security stuff
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS01-020.asp Microsoft Security Bulletin (MS01-020) Incorrect MIME Header Can Cause IE to Execute E-mail Attachment (for your convenience, you needn't click on it, opening the email is enough). MSIE 5.5 is vulnerable, and MSIE 5.01 is vulnerable unless you've installed "Internet Explorer 5.01 Service Pack 2." Have fun... JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously?
Suzanna, Don't worry, Omnipay has recently lowered their Inexchange requirements for the general public. This move was most certainly only completed after studying the flaws in their current service. The total lack of customer support, failure to respond to e-mails and phone calls, losing wires for weeks, this is all BOUND to change any day now. By lowering their inexchange requirements, OmniPay is effectively taking business away from the established Market Makers who DO believe in exceptional customer service. They would obviously not do this if they were not prepared for the onslaught of associated problems of such a move. Perhaps you missed Reid Jackson's news briefing on this list a few days ago detailing their recent decision. Since he is the manger of operations, I am quite sure he took the time to contemplate the reactions such a move would evoke from the market.As Danny Taggart pointed out:lower prices means more business, more phone calls, more e-mails, more research requirements, etc. Surely this was all planned for and they are most likely hiring additional staff as we speak to meet this demand. Why don't you just call them now? They have a wonderful voice mail system that you can wait on hold withuntil they are prepared to serve their customers in an efficient and professional manner. Should be any day now ;0) Eric - Original Message - From: Suzanna To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:31 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously? I don't know. I know one may have been a trojan virus situation, but the other two were password retrieval hacking jobs. Egold is aware of this problem and are doing NOTHING about it. Nor will they even help the victims get their funds back. If they had just responded immediatly to the calls, emails and faxes of these people, the funds could have been traced and retrieved before leaving the system. But No... it took days for egold to respond. If you guys have any inside clout with egold, perhaps you could get them to do something about this problem. Here are two of the account numbers that funds were siphoned off into: 08/29/200014:11 Payment Made 593147 Gold -19.315735 148757 19.315753 oz 273.60 To: Cees Huisman NL 1632 and 2/8/0105:43 Payment Made 1963567 Gold -56.660528 132992 1,762.312402 g 262.80 To: MetalSavings deposit accountMerchant Reference #: 723 Memo: credit to acct#143 Any ideas? - Original Message - From: Viking Coder To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously? Yes, it should be addressed... for some reason it hasn't been and it happens all the time! Do you mean people are hacking into e-gold's server and, without any foreknowledge of the passphrase, extracting money out of somebody's account?This is a very serious charge/matter and should be attended toimmeadiately.ORDo you mean people are sending out harvester viruses, like a version ofthe ILOVEYOU virus, that ask people for their e-gold acct# passphrase invarious assundry ways? These viruses could even take the form ofkeystroke loggers that get inserted into the system's Startup calls whenthe unknown executable is run, or when somebody is using MS Outlook andreceives (a simple preview without even opening the mail is sometimesenough) said virus-ladden email.Using MS Outlook without turning off several of it's 'conveniences' issomewhat similar to having the 'convenience' of having a house that willautomatically open it's doors whenever somebody approaches the house. Thisis great for your wanted visitors. However, when a thief approaches yourhouse...There is nothing that e-gold can do this. You are warned that you shouldnever disclose your passphrase to anybody but e-gold. You are cautioned tonever run executables from unknown/untrusted sources. If you do, er,well...Viking CoderWorth Two Cents?http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder---You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]---You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Fw: GoldMoney Press Release
PRESS RELEASE -- GoldMoney Launches Online Merchant Interface -- New interface makes it easy and profitable for online merchants to use GoldGrams (30 March 2001) - E-commerce is taking another step forward with today's launch of an Online Merchant Interface (OMI) by GoldMoney. This new OMI makes it easy for online merchants to accept GoldGrams, the currency of GoldMoney. Because GoldGram payments are non- repudiable, profitability for online merchants will be enhanced. "The potential of e-commerce is being impeded by the use of credit cards and bank wires. These high-cost and inefficient payment systems have their origin in the 18th and 19th centuries and are not suited for the global requirements of today's online merchants," explains James Turk, Managing Director of GoldMoney. "Even P2P and money-by- email payment systems are a problem for online merchants already plagued by charge-backs and fraudulent purchases." Now merchants can easily accept non-repudiable payments online from anyone, anywhere in the world. Online merchants and global businesses can use GoldMoney to make and accept instantaneous payments in weights of gold called GoldGrams. A GoldGram represents a gram of gold held in a vault for safekeeping, and remains in the vault even while being used as currency. By using GoldMoney anyone can make instantaneous payments online in real-time 24 hours, day and night, yet GoldMoney costs much less than the traditional - and now outdated - methods of payment. GoldMoney believes that online merchants and global businesses will find its payment service quick, reliable and cost-effective. The detailed technical specifications for the OMI may be viewed at: www.GoldMoney.com/public/OMI/OMI.pdf All transactions are made electronically through the www.GoldMoney.com website. A related site, www.GoldGrams.com, provides users with easy access to the current value of GoldGrams in terms of various national currencies. The OMI will be especially useful to global businesses aiming to expand their cross-border reach, but until now have been impeded because sales could not be made with non-repudiable payment. Also, GoldMoney simplifies global transactions by enabling buyers and sellers to transact in one, single currency. And for the first time, online merchants now have a practical and low-cost means for accepting micro-payments. This new OMI is one of the many advantages offered by GoldMoney, none of which are available from electronic payment systems using national currencies. These advantages are building a world-wide community where GoldGrams become the accepted medium of exchange. As Turk explains it: "We are taking the world's oldest money, gold, and using 21st century technology to enable its circulation as a currency in global commerce efficiently, cost-effectively and without the problems of existing payment systems." GoldMoney aims to make GoldGrams the currency of choice in global e-commerce. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * GoldMoney is an online payment system that combines the world's oldest money, gold, with Internet technology to provide a safe, easy and inexpensive way for anyone to transact business 24 hours a day. Payments are made electronically using GoldGrams(TM), which are grams of gold that circulate world-wide through the Internet. By combining gold and Internet technology to produce "A Solid Currency for Global Commerce"(TM), GoldMoney brings a new proficiency to the way business is transacted, offering users peace of mind, ease of use and control of costs. For more information contact: James Turk Managing Director, GoldMoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] FC: U.S. Secret Service raids E-Gold currency exchanger
--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:18:56 -0500 From: Declan McCullagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FC: U.S. Secret Service raids E-Gold currency exchanger User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.2i Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42745,00.html Secret Service Raids E-Gold by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 11:10 a.m. Mar. 30, 2001 PST WASHINGTON -- The Secret Service has raided a New York state business that exchanged dollars for grams of the digital currency called e-gold. A bevy of agents from the Secret Service, Postal Service and local police recently detained the owners of Gold-Age, based in Syracuse, and seized computers, files and documents from the fledgling firm. U.S. Attorney Daniel French said Friday that the investigation involved charges of credit card fraud. "We haven't brought charges yet," French said. "We're in the investigative phase." Gold-Age owner Parker Bradley says that during his eight-hour interrogation on March 12, the Secret Service seemed less interested in credit card fraud and more interested in the mechanics of e-gold. Until last year, Bradley accepted credit cards and paid out e-gold, but said he quit because too many people used stolen credit cards when conducting business with him. "The interrogation became less about me and more about politics and e-gold," Bradley said. "They were trying to get me to blame e-gold for fraud. Just to be blunt, these guys have no clue about how e-commerce works, how e-gold works or what I was doing." E-gold is a 5-year-old firm based on the Caribbean island of Nevis that provides an electronic currency backed by physical metal stored in vaults in London and Dubai. The company says it has 181,000 user accounts and stores about 1.4 metric tons of gold on behalf of its customers. Bradley's Gold-Age company, which he ran with his wife out of their home until the raid, was one of about a dozen e-gold currency exchange services: He took dollars and credited grams of gold, silver, platinum and palladium to a customer's account, less a modest fee. [...] Still unclear is why the raid took place. French indicated that it could be more than a routine credit card investigation, saying "at this point, it's being investigated as a credit card fraud." One possibility is a broader investigation directed at some users of e-gold, which is less anonymous than cash but more anonymous than credit cards. Former Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers has warned of malcontents using the Net and encryption to dodge taxes, and it's possible that the feds don't exactly approve of a system that's more privacy-protective than the heavily regulated banking system. Current federal regulations require banks and credit unions -- about 19,000 in all -- to inform federal law enforcement of all transactions $5,000 and above that have no "apparent lawful purpose or are not the sort in which the particular customer would normally be expected to engage." Because e-gold is not a bank that lends money -- it's more akin to a warehouse that stores gold on behalf of its customers -- it's not covered by those rules. Mike Godwin said the raid evokes memories of the notorious Steve Jackson Games raid by the Secret Service a decade ago, which led to the formation of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. [...] - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - --- end forwarded text -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Is Goldchanger down ? Or sleeping ?
No reply to email - and no egold on my account :-( MC -- Mariman Center www.mariman.net WebHosting - WebDesign --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: FC: U.S. Secret Service raids E-Gold currency exchanger
At 2:51 PM -0500 3/30/01, R. A. Hettinga wrote: . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42745,00.html Secret Service Raids E-Gold by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 11:10 a.m. Mar. 30, 2001 PST For Declan's benefit I'll note that he never gets to write the headline. So far, he hasn't told me what substances headline-writers ingest to obtain these fascinating results, but (if it's legal, which I doubt...) I may want to start selling the stuff! JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Apology
Everyone, I just wanted to take a quick second and apologize for my recent lack of respect for the rules of the discussion list. I have let a little feud that has been festering between myself and another individual get out of control. I do not want to see a "flamer war" raging in front of other people that are obviously not interested in the disgust two people have seemed to acquire for one another. These lists are not the place for such activity and my remarks as of late have been less than professional. I do apologize for this and will curtail my postings. Now...let the real "E-GOLD DISCUSSIONS" rage on! Most apologetically, Eric GaitherPresidentGaithmans Gold Nation, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] (317) 788-8580 Voice(317) 788-8581 Faxhttp://businesses.msn.com/GEGE/ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously?
I don't know. I know one may have been a trojan virus situation, but the other two were password retrieval hacking jobs. Egold is aware of this problem and are doing NOTHING about it. Nor will they even help the victims get their funds back. ... " When you say "password retrieval hacking jobs" do you mean they hacked the e-gold(tm) server to retrieve the passwords or that they "hacked" e-gold(tm)'s password recovery system? That would make more sense; any password recovery system is a very weak link in a security chain. Can you give more details on how it was done? Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously?
No I can't give details. I have no idea. You'll have to ask the hackers or egold themselves, who seem to know who the hackers are. - Original Message - From: Sidd To: e-gold Discussion Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:03 AM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously? I don't know. I know one may have been a trojan virus situation, buttheother two were password retrieval hacking jobs. Egold is aware of thisproblem and are doing NOTHING about it. Nor will they even help thevictimsget their funds back. ... "When you say "password retrieval hacking jobs" do you mean they hackedthe e-gold(tm) server to retrieve the passwords or that they "hacked"e-gold(tm)'s password recovery system? That would make more sense; anypassword recovery system is a very weak link in a security chain. Canyou give more details on how it was done?Sidd.---You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: all in the charts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check that chart Bob ... http://www.bigcharts.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=dowsid=0o_sy mb=dowfreq=1time=4 To me it looks like the dow (and hence probably the nasdaq, etc) are headin' down again tomorrow. Yes, as long as I'm in front of a screen all day (which I'm not). Dow Chemical, the Dow or the NASDAQ. There's not enough fear yet. Attempted bottoms on the NASDAQ have failed so far. The Dow broke down through it's base it's base too. The USD since Jan. has been making higher highs and higher lows, though. So the US is still the best game in town (not for ever though). Woudl you agree the nasdaq is a real obvious short, if, it breaks down through that "fake W" it's pretending it's trying to make? http://www.bigcharts.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=COMPsid=39036 1o_symb=COMPfreq=1time=4 (perfect to play on xodds! i just put $50 of gold on the nasdaq going down.) Good. Getting a short position on an up day in a down trend is better than getting a short position on a down day in a down trend. The indexes closed unimpressively up. And you used *gold* to get the position! Bob --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] [Fwd: re: Secret Service Raids E-Gold]
sigh Original Message Subject: re: Secret Service Raids E-Gold Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 19:05:34 -0500 From: Douglas Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am the founder and Chairman of e-gold Ltd. Contrary to the luridly irresponsible and actionable headline on this article, there has been no raid on e-gold Ltd., or on Gold Silver Reserve Inc. [dba OmniPay http://www.omnipay.net ], the company that originally developed the e-gold system and currently serves as Operator. The more edifying reality is that e-gold is the worlds first electronic currency designed for borderless eCommerce, enabling the worldwide use of gold as money. It merges the digital transaction efficiencies of an electronic payment system with a universally acceptable basis of value. The advantages of e-gold include: Low transaction fees The maximum payment processing fee is 50 cents (US-equiv.). For a $1000 value payment, this is less than one twentieth as much as credit cards. Immediate settlement e-gold payments clear instantaneously, no matter how large or small the payment, no matter how far apart the spender and recipient. Non-repudiation No chargebacks. Get paid, stay paid. Direct access with bi-directionality Anyone can pay or be paid. Automation support The e-gold Shopping Cart Interface is easily implemented and provides immediate authenticated notification of completed payment. Zero financial risk e-gold is the worlds first remote payment system backed 100% by physical gold in allocated storage. e-gold is in fact succeeding where other electronic payment initiatives are failing because it is designed specifically for worldwide eCommerce. All others merely add additional layers of liability to legacy systems. Since online launch November 1996, the e-gold system has been growing at an accelerating pace. As of April 2000, 100,000 transactions had been settled. The one millionth transaction was November 2000 and the second million mark surpassed in March 2001. It is regrettable that the first time many people will hear of e-gold(r) will be this sloppy and damaging Wired headline. Dr. Douglas Jackson Founder of e-gold --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously?
No I can't give details. I have no idea. You'll have to ask the hackers or egold themselves, who seem to know who the hackers are. First off... Please stop replying in HTML. Set your mail program to send in plaintext. Second off... I'm not a legal expert, but your above statement sounded a lot like libel. Now, onto the reply... e-gold doesn't even know what your passphrase is. I believe that they are using a one-way encryption algorithim. When a person logs into their account, their passphrase is encrypted and then compared to the stored (encrypted) passphrase. It is impossible to unencrypt a one-way encrypted message. In order to crack such a passphrase, you need encrypted passphrase and the encryption algorithim. You are now in for a long wait while your computer does a brute-force attack. The computer encrypts every possible passphrase until the test passphrase matches the original passphrase. This can take an extraordinary amount of time. The fastest (personal) computer on the market today can plow through about 4 million possible passphases a second. e-gold requires that your passphrase is at least 6 characters long, has a mix of numbers and letters, and capitalization counts. Your passphrase doesn't have to be 6 characters, it has to be at least 6 characters. For a 6 character passphrase, the neccesary time to work through every possible passphrase would be about 4 hours; for a 10 character passphrase it would be 6700 years; a 14 character passphrase requires 98 billion years. It is for this reason that it is much more possible that the passphrase was obtained somewhere else other than e-gold's server and without e-gold's knowledge. Of course egold has covered it's own but with the user agreement The user agreement covers your own as well. In order for you to sign up for an account, you had to agree to it. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Ah, journalism... - and let's help Parker!
At 7:40 PM -0500 3/30/01, Douglas Jackson wrote: sigh ... sigh. The story also implies I don't just speak for me, and I can be a bit quick on the comments at times. I hope I can concentrate on helping Parker as well as I can. One way to help him is to help an obvious group that can help him. In the story, EFF's former lawyer Mike Godwin compared this case to the Steve Jackson Games case which literally spawned EFF (and which makes for some interesting reading). Anyway, on that subject, I was talking to an interesting friend at EFF about what could be wrong with their e-gold donation page (besides the text about e-gold costing more, which also should be changed but I didn't mention that!). Can someone help me to help them fix that page up a bit? EFF is at http://www.eff.org/ and the actual e-gold donation-page with the error is at: http://www.eff.org/support/joineff-egold.html What I get, after filling in all possible fields with correct information and pressing "submit," is a grey page with the following text: Error: Field name declared in BAGGAGE_FIELDS but not present on form: city state *** 1 error(s) detected on the Entry Form *** I can't seem to figure out what's going wrong, or what changed, but it doesn't work now so I want to fix it. Thanks. JMR --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously?
e-gold doesn't even know what your passphrase is. I believe that they are using a one-way encryption algorithim. When a person logs into their account, their passphrase is encrypted and then compared to the stored (encrypted) passphrase. Viking, You miss the point. If e-gold(tm) have a password recovery system, which I believe they do, it could be a weak link. If you lose your password e-gold(tm) surely have a procedure they follow to verify that you are the owner of the account. They will then issue you with a temporary password so you can get into your account. This may involve phone calls and notarised papers, but it is still a system that can be hacked/attacked and result in losses. Is this not what is being suggested? Hacking or cracking an account can be as simple as masquerading as an e-gold(tm) employee and asking some gullible and foolish person for their password. It does not necessarily involve technical prowess. Regards, Sidd. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: What flaws does egold have? Seriously?
The latter... Interesting... If the later then the actual passphrase is sent to e-gold (via SSL?) and exists on their server at sometime. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] FW: Automated 30 day renewal reminder 2001-3-30
Does anybody know what has become of JimC? I have had a few of these reminders, but the renew script on the site is not working, and Jim is not answering e-mail. I also remember Jim announcing that he is doing Thawte certificates, but I can't get hold of him for that either. Any news would be appreciated, Thanks. -Original Message- From: Domains.JHCloos.Net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 March 2001 18:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Automated 30 day renewal reminder 2001-3-30 The following domain(s) are up for renewal. You can renew these domains at: https://domains.jhcloos.net/renew Thank you for choosing domains.jhcloos.net (soon to be register4gold.com)! -- Domains.JHCloos.NEThttps://domains.jhcloos.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] D080 1404 99DD D836 78A4 4A73 FC50 AC33 1317 58AE Domain Name, Expiry Date siddley.com, 2001-04-29 siddley.net, 2001-04-29 siddley.org, 2001-04-29 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Ah, journalism... - and let's help Parker!
Error: Field name declared in BAGGAGE_FIELDS but not present on form: city state *** 1 error(s) detected on the Entry Form *** I can't seem to figure out what's going wrong, or what changed, but it doesn't work now so I want to fix it. Thanks. JMR It seems to be working fine to me Jim. Usually the error described above would mean that they have entered the name of a field in the "Baggage_field" part but it does not show up on the form. The common couse for this is a typo. Khurram Khan == 2 cents worth? http://two-cents-worth.com/?135153 _ Get email for your site --- http://www.everyone.net --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: in exchnage for usd 4500
I am glad to report the successful conclusion of the exchange with the very reliable and professional JPM from coconutgold.com A very pleasant experience, indeed! Tom Thank you, Tom! http://coconutgold.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Secret Service Raids E-Gold
Sir, This wildly inaccurate article headline is misleading and inaccurate as e-gold Ltd has not been raided by anyone. Gold Age, a Service Provider was raided. The service provider in question had previously been the victim of several thousand dollars worth of credit card fraud so naturally the Secret Service raided the victim not the criminals and stole his equipment and hounded him for eight hours with no charges pressed. He is now free and left to pick up the pieces. Your headline is tantamount to saying NASDAQ was raided whereas in fact it was a broker who was raided. Such inaccurate and slip shod reporting only serves to point out the futility of using WIRED as an informative source of accurate information and perhaps one should be turning to more accurate publications in future. e-gold is the world first electronic currency employing gold as money. In fact it is more secure than fiat currency and also somewhat cheaper to use. Account holders with e-gold know their funds are backed by 100% solid gold. There is over a ton of sold gold being transacted within the e-gold accounts and service providers provide the interface between e-gold and similar ecommerce currencies and the public. In future I would recommend you check your facts if you wish to retain credibility in your reporting and not be viewed as just another poor quality tabloid. Kind regards, Michael J Moore CEO Moore Trade Export ABN 41 082 497 251 4 Chestnut Street Carnegie Vic 3163 Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com +61 3 9560 4110 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Metal Savings
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erich sent the direct IP number to get to the current site, to this list, it is working normally He is waiting for his server to be installed in some foreign country. THIS HAS GOT COMPLETELY OUT OF HAND!!! Douglas Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more edifying reality is that e-gold® is the worlds first electronic currency designed for borderless eCommerce, enabling the worldwide use of gold as money. blah blah blah yak yak yak whine whine whine GoldMoney is offshore. OSGold is offshore. Pecunix is offshore. Standard Reserve is moving offshore. MetalSavings is moving offshore. e-gold©® is in Florida. DigiGold©® is in Florida. Does anyone except LapDog Haynie see the pattern here? Get with the program Douglas! How long have you had to get your servers offshore??? FOUR YEARS??? No wonder you have to compete against your own cambios! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] whining about Omnipay ..
Don't worry, Omnipay has recently lowered their Inexchange requirements for the general public. This move was most certainly only completed after studying the flaws in their current service. The total lack of customer support, failure to respond to e-mails and phone calls, losing wires for weeks, this is all BOUND to change any day now. ... A couple of days ago the list was whining about Omnipay. (I think Omnipay are fine!) The idea is: Omnipay sells gold in fairly large batchges (a few thousand bucks or more) to the Exchange Providers (excuse me .. MAREKT MAKERS) and then the MMs have all the hassle of selling it retail in batches of 20 to 100 bucks. That's all great! But please note, all market makers reading this, that OMNIPAY IS NOT THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN !! Screw Omnipay! http://coconutgold in fact specializes in doing exactly that! We sell kilo-like quantities of e-gold at wholesale rates. COCONUT NEVER DOES BUSINESS WITH OMNIPAY COCONUT NEVER DOES BUSINESS WITH OMNIPAY COCONUT NEVER DOES BUSINESS WITH OMNIPAY COCONUT NEVER DOES BUSINESS WITH OMNIPAY Further, coconut's customer service is essentially "perfect", and usually I just BEAT Omnipay's rate just to spite 'em! :) Also, coconut's NOT "THE MAN", we are in business just like you :) MMs, next time you need some wholesale gold, don't hesitate to ASK COCONUT FIRST. If we have the gold it's yours, with perfect service and a rate always at LEAST matching Omnipay's wholesale rate. JP!! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: FC: U.S. Secret Service raids E-Gold currency exchanger
At 2:51 PM -0500 3/30/01, R. A. Hettinga wrote: . http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42745,00.html Secret Service Raids E-Gold by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 11:10 a.m. Mar. 30, 2001 PST For Declan's benefit I'll note that he never gets to write the headline. So far, he hasn't told me what substances headline-writers ingest to obtain these fascinating results, but (if it's legal, which I doubt...) I may want to start selling the stuff! JMR god, that's fantastic man -- the WORD E-GOLD IS IN THE HEADLINE. Awesome! There's no such thing as bad publicity!! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: all in the charts
Good. Getting a short position on an up day in a down trend is better than getting a short position on a down day in a down trend. The indexes closed unimpressively up. well said!!! And you used *gold* to get the position! I unequivocally recommend xodds.com !!! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] BOUNTY HUNTERS alert!
that guy is MISSING IN ACTION! What a shame, I wonder where he is? Can anyone in the US telephone him or something? I will pay a gold bounty if someone tracks hium down .. say 10 grams? Does anybody know what has become of JimC? I have had a few of these reminders, but the renew script on the site is not working, and Jim is not answering e-mail. I also remember Jim announcing that he is doing Thawte certificates, but I can't get hold of him for that either. Any news would be appreciated, Thanks. --- "Intel is a photo printing company. Microsoft makes a text editor. Amazon or eBay can be programmed in a day with Perl or Basic and run on a $500 machine. The whole of 'IT' (banking, finance, markets, etc.) is no more complicated than a $10 Casio name and address organizer. We are in the low-tech age." --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Metal Savings
GoldMoney is offshore. OSGold is offshore. Pecunix is offshore. Standard Reserve is moving offshore. MetalSavings is moving offshore. e-gold is in Florida. DigiGold is in Florida. Does anyone except LapDog Haynie see the pattern here? Kid, unfortunately and sadly moving offshore offers zero to little actual protection. The short story: the US Government is so powerful, you're fucked. An "offshore server gasp" is a nice PR line, that's about it. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
