[e-gold-list] Re: Insanity

2001-09-12 Thread Ian Green

Just an aside, but amongst those stranded by the complete shutdown of
american aviation is Bill Clinton stranded in paradise (North Queensland,
Australia) and our Prime Minister, John Howard in Washington, DC. Also seen
on the TV news arriving in Australia on the last flights from the US, tennis
start Lleyton Hewitt, who yesterday was showing off his US Open cup in the
streets near the World Trade Center, and Britney Spears.

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> I hope people realize that this is the result of 8 years of the Clinton
> Administration badgering the Israelis to make peace with enemies who want
> only VICTORY.  You cannot make peace with an enemy that does not want
peace.



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[e-gold-list] Re: Insanity

2001-09-12 Thread Ian Green

Correction: Bill Clinton is now flying out of Port Douglas in Queensland on
his way home! I guess they make some exceptions. Once again, I add my strong
and sincere condolences to all of the victims of the disaster.


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> Just an aside, but amongst those stranded by the complete shutdown of
> american aviation is Bill Clinton stranded in paradise (North Queensland,
> Australia) and our Prime Minister, John Howard in Washington, DC. Also
seen



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[e-gold-list] a sad list

2001-09-12 Thread James M. Ray

I'd been looking for a list of businesses destroyed yesterday, and I found: 

http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/09/12/014255 

There's also a listing at the beginning of section B in today's Wall Street
Journal. My sympathy to all who have suffered the loss of loved ones or
family to this senseless act.
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[e-gold-list] Re: Insanity

2001-09-12 Thread Ben Legume

Dreadful. Of course, I'd have a lot more sympathy if the US hadn't 
spent the last decade destabilising and bombing other countries and 
killing civilians and damaging economies. As ye have reaped, so ye 
shall sow.

Hopefully some sanity will return by the time this email goes out.


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[e-gold-list] Re: Insanity

2001-09-12 Thread Michael Moore



 I'd have a lot more sympathy if the US hadn't 
spent the last decade destabilising and bombing other countries 
and killing civilians and damaging economies. As ye have reaped, so ye 
shall sow.


Even so the US government's Foreign Policy overt and covert good or bad 
in no way justifies the indiscrimiate killing of ordinary folk.

Most of the companies and people in the WTC were not even US citizens. 
All of the people killed were ordinary people like you and I.

If someone disagrees with a policy being followed for God sake find the 
right target.

In Ireland religous extremists demonstrate their incapability of 
picking the right target by terrorising school girls on the way to 
school.  Very brave I must say. 

Terrorists demonstrate their criminal insanity by not even being 
capable of selecting the target they disagree with.  "Oh the car won't 
start...lets kick the cat." is typical of the stupidity of their 
thinking.

Regrettably to say they appear to be supported by those with money and 
power who take advantage of their stupidity and their inability to 
think for themselves.

I would not like to come home and find my family bombed out of 
existance just because some insane person decided they did not like 
Australian foreign policy.

So I do not believe it is warranted or deserved. Those people in the 
WTC did not sell arms to extremist countries.  Most of them are not 
even American.  

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[e-gold-list] Re: Insanity

2001-09-12 Thread Ben Legume

Yes, and I didn't say that I thought it was justified or warranted. 
However that doesn't change the fact that the Americans who have been 
merrily bombing other countries as a matter of policy are now very 
upset that they have been similarly targeted. And I'm not going to 
pretend I'm even the remotest bit upset about the pentagon being 
blown up. I would have preferred the whole thing, along with the 
various storm-troopers, gestapo operatives, one-world-order types, 
men in black and assorted criminals that work there went up in smoke.

I suspect if you compare the number of civilians killed with the size 
of the US population, it would compare to the numbers of civilians 
killed in the bombing of Yugoslavia or of Iraq as opposed to their 
much smaller populations. If I went around throwing stones at my 
neighbours, how much sympathy would you have for me when a stone was 
thrown at me?


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[e-gold-list] Re: Insanity

2001-09-12 Thread jrw

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though i acknowledge the strong emotions brought
about by the destruction yesterday - lets
try and keep this list limited to e-gold related matters.

in that light, if you want to help using gold, and
you think this is appropriate destination for your
funds, perform a USD OutExchange at your favourite
exchange provider to:

American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund
P.O. Box 37243
Washington, D.C. 20013

compilations of exchange providers i know of:
http://www.golddirectory.com/e-gold.htm
http://www.bricksofgold.com/marketmakers.php
http://www.e-gold.com/unsecure/thelist.htm#marketmaker
http://tril.tunes.org/e-gold/links.html
http://www.exchangeprovider.net/findep.php4?curr=e-gold

you can also use other payment methods:
credit card:
https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp

paypal:
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=p/gen/relief-outside

blood:
your local centres.

jay w.
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[e-gold-list] Re: a sad list

2001-09-12 Thread George Matyjewicz

Hi all:

We offer our sincere condolences to the families and loved ones of those 
who were affected by the horrible terrorist activities in the U.S.  This 
tragedy is beyond all comprehension, and there are no words that can 
describe the horror and inhumanity of this devastating  act of violence and 
aggression against the people of  the United States of America.Please 
join us in donating money to the Red Cross to support the victims.  We have 
setup a special account at Standard Reserve for you to send your donations 
- Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund account # 137221

Sincerely,

The Management and Staff of
The Standard Group of companies
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[e-gold-list] Re: Insanity

2001-09-12 Thread Glencannon Group Ltd.

War is not the answer:  It is the reality.  We are under attack.  We either
fight or surrender.  When your enemy refuses to settle for peace then you
must fight or be defeated.   That is the situation.  We are opposed by
people who do not want PEACE.  They want VICTORY.  And that victory will
mean our loss of freedom, regardless of whether or not you have some kooky
electronic money or not.

On Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:32:56 -0700, Todd Boyle wrote:

>  War is not the answer, war is not the answer... it causes even more
>  suffering and pain and just repeats a cycle of violence.
>  
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[e-gold-list] Moderator message (was: Re: Insanity)

2001-09-12 Thread James M. Ray

Folks, I can fully appreciate the strong emotions this attack has
brought, but I must join Jay in asking that you concentrate your
efforts on things that might help the victims. I know the e-gold
list strays off-topic every once in a while, and an event like this
DOES possibly have some e-gold related repercussions, but if
we can avoid politics I'd really appreciate it. Thanks.
JMR


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[e-gold-list] Re: a sad list

2001-09-12 Thread Tara




Hi

I was going to make a Donation to this account but the preview said the
account was called Ace's E Gold Account or something like that???!

T.


*SNIP*States of America.Please
> join us in donating money to the Red Cross to support the victims.  We
have
> setup a special account at Standard Reserve for you to send your donations
> - Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund account # 137221



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[e-gold-list] Re: a sad list

2001-09-12 Thread Eric J. Gaither

Tara (and everyone else interested),

   I believe that Standard Reserve's CEO George Matyjewicz is setting up a
special SR account for donations to the Red Cross.

   For anyone else interested in contributing (George will be sending out a
detailed message)  Gaithmans has agreed to waive fees on exchanges made to
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>
>
>
> Hi
>
> I was going to make a Donation to this account but the preview said the
> account was called Ace's E Gold Account or something like that???!
>
> T.
>
>
> *SNIP*States of America.Please
> > join us in donating money to the Red Cross to support the victims.  We
> have
> > setup a special account at Standard Reserve for you to send your
donations
> > - Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund account # 137221
>
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[e-gold-list] OmniPay Spread narrowed for gold

2001-09-12 Thread Reid Jackson-OP

We have set the OmniPay spread for gold to 4% in response to market
conditions.

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[e-gold-list] Donations Suggestion

2001-09-12 Thread David Brooks

 Will e-Gold Ltd. please create a donations account for the victims of the
NY attack?  I respectfully suggest that it should be done by e-Gold
themselves and not a third party.  This will avoid any doubt about the
veracity of the account.
Dave Brooks
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[e-gold-list] Re: Donations Suggestion

2001-09-12 Thread James M. Ray

At 01:09 PM -0400 09/12/2001, David Brooks wrote:
> Will e-Gold Ltd. please create a donations account for the victims of the
>NY attack?  I respectfully suggest that it should be done by e-Gold
>themselves and not a third party.  This will avoid any doubt about the
>veracity of the account.
>Dave Brooks
>Editor / Bricks of Gold Website & eZine

Hi Dave, and thanks for the suggestion, but I don't think it's needed.
(At least, I hope not. We've done things like hurricane relief before.)
I'm sure everyone here plans to pitch in.

I've been finding out all morning that redcross.org is swamped, and now
is probably the wrong time to attempt to make them get a clue about
e-gold anyway, so I contacted Vince Callaway about using his PayPal
spending system as a bridge (this hopefully also avoids the veracity
issue) to let folks help with their e-metal. 

At 09:17 AM -0700 09/12/2001, Vince Callaway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Paypal has a special account setup to funnel money to the red cross.  All
>someone would have to do is request that the funds go there on my
>outexchange page.  Feel free to drop a note to the list, I will put that up
>on my site shortly.  I have about 30 validation requests to get out in the
>mail today so I will be quite busy for a bit.

Ok, will do. All folks have to do is wait a bit & go to www.freedomhound.com
and Vince has a slick way of turning e-gold spends into PayPal. I'll try it
now, and post again about how it works. Thanks.
JMR

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[e-gold-list] Re:2 Donations Suggestion

2001-09-12 Thread James M. Ray

http://www.freedomhound.com:80/servlet/echannel?Request=Render&ID=443149&Data=1292 

has a way to donate via PayPal, and since he can also send through "Yahoo
Paydirect," if Yahoo has a relief fund you could use that too. My thanks to
Vince Callaway for his help in making this happen so easily.

Of course, the Red Cross is still welcome to accept e-gold, and given the
worldwide nature of disaster missions, they'd probably find it very useful. I
can now reach the www.redcross.org page, but I don't think their feedback
section is working.
JMR

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[e-gold-list] Re: Insanity

2001-09-12 Thread GoldSpender

I hope you do not want World War III.
I saw a dream this night... there was nuclear war...

WBR,
Paul


> War is not the answer:  It is the reality.  We are under attack.  We
either
> fight or surrender.  When your enemy refuses to settle for peace then you
> must fight or be defeated.   That is the situation.  We are opposed by
> people who do not want PEACE.  They want VICTORY.  And that victory will
> mean our loss of freedom, regardless of whether or not you have some kooky
> electronic money or not.
>



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[e-gold-list] Re: Donations Suggestion

2001-09-12 Thread George Matyjewicz

At 01:09 PM 9/12/2001 -0400, David Brooks wrote:
>  Will e-Gold Ltd. please create a donations account for the victims of the
>NY attack?  I respectfully suggest that it should be done by e-Gold
>themselves and not a third party.  This will avoid any doubt about the
>veracity of the account.

Hi Dave:

While I respect your concern, please be assured that the Standard Group of 
companies (Standard Transactions and Standard Reserve in particular) are 
not merely a third party, but a respected member of this community and a 
large MM for e-Gold.  We are the ones sponsoring the donations to the Red 
Cross at http://www.standardtransactions.com


George


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[e-gold-list] Re: Donations Suggestion

2001-09-12 Thread David Brooks


> Hi Dave:
> 
> While I respect your concern, please be assured that the Standard Group of
> companies (Standard Transactions and Standard Reserve in particular) are
> not merely a third party, but a respected member of this community and a
> large MM for e-Gold.  We are the ones sponsoring the donations to the Red
> Cross at http://www.standardtransactions.com
> 
> 
> George

Hi, George;
  Please rest assured that I have very high respect for the Standard Group
companies and under no circumstances mean any lack of respect.  My intent
was to get the 'e-Gold' name visible for donations, since this brand name
has a high customer recognition.
  I am listing any verifiable gold currency donation programs on our
website news page. Standard Reserve is first on that list.
  I sincerely  apologise if my post was interpreted in any other way.
Respectfully,
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[e-gold-list] Re: Insanity

2001-09-12 Thread Glencannon Group Ltd.

I do not want war.  But just hiding is not the answer.  I suspect we will
not need to use Nuclear Weapons to defend ourselves against terrorists and
those nations who support them.  So I don't think I will respond to your
dream.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:24:39 -0400, GoldSpender wrote:

>  I hope you do not want World War III.
>  I saw a dream this night... there was nuclear war...
>  
>  > War is not the answer:  It is the reality.  We are under attack.  We
>  either
>  > fight or surrender.  When your enemy refuses to settle for peace then
you
>  > must fight or be defeated.   That is the situation.  We are opposed by
>  > people who do not want PEACE.  They want VICTORY

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[e-gold-list] Insanity

2001-09-12 Thread eCurrencyCrawler

Hello members. I know I started this thread, I understand it's a bit off
topic, and I have heard the request of the administration to please bring
the focus of this forum back on track. I will comply... in a minute.

We have all felt the impact of this horrific event. The destruction was not
only to structures and economics. Families across the world have embraced
the pain and suffering... I wish I could be there to help in the recovery.

The answer is not simply in a retaliation of violence, although that is what
it will take to rid the world of this menacing nuisance that the world calls
Terrorism. I've been involved in many discussions related to this topic and
I have found that most people accept the idea of nuclear attacks... I find
this annoying and ignorant considering the level of destruction not only to
lives but to the planet as a whole when a nuclear weapon is triggered. I'm
not looking to argue the point as there is purely no point to argue. The
action that has been announced is the only action to take... and should be
accepted throughout as the only right thing to do... for this country and
for the free world. Terrorism has no place in a democracy... as stated by
President Bush: WE WILL WIN!

The insults to our administration are as abundant as terrorists around the
world, this is also ignorant and two dimensional. President Bush has been
extremely supportive and quite strong throughout all of this... as I'm sure
he will be when the strike begins. I don't see anyone else in the
President's chair nor do I hear of anyone running to be the next candidate,
although, most have their opinions... and we all know what those are like.

Administration requested a halt to off topic posts, please accept my
sincerest apologies for this post... I am compelled, I will comply.

Please, if people are driven to reply to this post, send them directly to
me... no insults, no attacks, no expressions of blind ignorance. I should
have considered e-gold administration prior to posting in the first place...
I was simply "blown away" by what had happened and I wanted to share my
emotions with my associates. I feel I may have over-expressed myself.

The "Insanity" thread ends.

My heart goes out to all of the people that have lost family and friends...
the jobs can be replaced, the building can be rebuilt... the people are
simply gone.

Sincerely,

Robert James LeVeque
eCurrencyCrawler
http://www.americonn.com











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[e-gold-list] against rationalism

2001-09-12 Thread jpm

Unfortunately this is not really about America, Ben.

I just got an email from my friend Mike in suburban New York.

His neighbor, who I know well, had 1,000 employees killed on the 52 
floor of Tower 2.

Do you have any sympathy about that Ben?

Typical email I just got

At 6:45 PM -0400 9/12/01, nick wrote:
>I called JoAnn at her office. As someone picked up, the first tower
>imploded, and the person answering the phone screamed and ran out, leaving
>me no clue as to whether or not she or JoAnn would live.

There are lots of naive, socialistic people in funny little naive 
socialistic countries that hate America, and they can and should have 
a fun little gloat that the world's greatest buildings - in America, 
of course - have been blown up.

This is only to be expected, and it's not even annoying at all, 
because funny little naive socialistic people are funny little naive 
socialistic people and that's how their bitter little minds work.

This is, quite simply:

An attack against capitalism and rationalism - ie, against civilization.

It's not an attack against the US Government --- it's simply an 
attack AGAINST CAPITALISTS, regardless of nationality.

Here's a fascinating site .. http://chaostan.com

Essentially half the world "missed out" on the Enlightenment.

This sort of thing is the final (pathetic) attempts of the world's 
anti-individual, anti-civilization, anti-trade, anti-capital, 
anti-freedom, tribalists.

Anyone who thinks this is an attack "against America" has never 
travelled outside Manchester.

I can't think of a part of the world that is more "international" 
than downtown NYC.

I mean, it's called the "world" trade center for a reason.  My guess 
would be that 25% of the people dead have nothing to do "with 
America", they would be citizens of other countries.

Certainly, the attack on the *Pentagon* was an attack against the 
"Evil Nation".

The overall theme here, is simply an attack against commerce - trade 
- civilization - capitalism - freedom - rationalism.

An attack launched by the remnants of non-rational, non-capitalistic, 
non-individualistic humanity.

Let us pray to the holy Dollar .. the sign of rationalism, honest 
trade between decent rational people, and civilization itself .. that 
everything from Vienna to Beijing is turned into a sea of radioactive 
glass.

Death to all tribailists -- save us the nuisance by slaughtering them now.

As civilization progresses bit by bit, advances like 
http://e-gold.com and http://goldmoney.com will leave socialists, 
environmentalists, communists, animists and statists further and 
further behind -- DGCs are on the cutting edge of being a capitalist 
.. celebrate and rejoice in the fact that you are a capitalist.

Make an e-gold spend today!  Life is capitalism -- celebrate capitalism.

Realize that by being an "early adopter" of e-gold and DGCs you are 
making an incredible, critical contribution to pushing forward 
capitalism, rationalism, individualism, civilization .. somewhat in 
the way that Scientists make key discoveries which push forward 
rationalism and civilization, early adopters of new ideas are 
critical to push forward the advance of capitalism -- another word, 
and the only other word, for civilization.

JP May



>Dreadful. Of course, I'd have a lot more sympathy if the US hadn't
>spent the last decade destabilising and bombing other countries and
>killing civilians and damaging economies. As ye have reaped, so ye
>shall sow.
>
>Hopefully some sanity will return by the time this email goes out.


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[e-gold-list] E golden Sunrise

2001-09-12 Thread mcffoster

Does anyone know why E Golden Sunrise isn't on the TGA/watch site?

Is it still paying?

Marvin C.

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[e-gold-list] Re: against rationalism

2001-09-12 Thread Todd Boyle

Great post!

At 04:43 PM 9/12/01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>An attack against capitalism and rationalism - ie, against civilization.
>
>It's not an attack against the US Government --- it's simply an attack 
>AGAINST CAPITALISTS, regardless of nationality.
>
>Here's a fascinating site .. http://chaostan.com
>
>Essentially half the world "missed out" on the Enlightenment

Descriptive discourse about the state of their culture does not address,
directly the best action, for US citizens.

>Death to all tribailists -- save us the nuisance by slaughtering them now.

There are 1.5 billion people living in Islamic countries.  I reject your
thesis that they are all irrational.  There are plausible theories why
they might hate America, such as the support of nondemocratic
regimes to extract oil.

Leave me out of your wars.  I cannot afford them and will work
with great dedication on political resistance to warmaking efforts
inside the United States.   Your war will fail to gather enough
support and money inside the United States, and your soldiers
will die in misery on the battlefields.   God willing the nukes
will not hit the US shores.

Todd



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