[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Great idea, Steve. Seems to me though that it would only work if you've got that kind of money. But then, if you did, wouldn't there be better uses for it? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
JP wrote: If anyone knows how to reach e-gold users, simply state it here: 50 kilogram gold reward to anyone who can state how to reach e-gold users. State it. Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message in the memo field. Please donate the 50 Kg to the Ninth Amendment Foundation, e-gold account number 9. Thanks, -=Steve=- Stephen H. Foerster, COO 3PSecure.com, Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: http://www.3PSecure.com/sfoerster.html Buy and sell gold with the three P's of financial Privacy, asset Protection, and maximum Profit! http://www.3PGold.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Nice try Steve But would it be cost effective?? :-) 95,000mg is a lot of gold...isn't it? Geoff - Original Message - From: Steve Foerster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 6:47 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001 JP wrote: If anyone knows how to reach e-gold users, simply state it here: 50 kilogram gold reward to anyone who can state how to reach e-gold users. State it. Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message in the memo field. Please donate the 50 Kg to the Ninth Amendment Foundation, e-gold account number 9. Thanks, -=Steve=- Stephen H. Foerster, COO 3PSecure.com, Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP: http://www.3PSecure.com/sfoerster.html Buy and sell gold with the three P's of financial Privacy, asset Protection, and maximum Profit! http://www.3PGold.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Nice try Steve But would it be cost effective?? :-) 95,000mg is a lot of gold...isn't it? No, that's 95 grams -- about $800 USD. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message in the memo field. Steve, I think this is a brilliant idea -- especially if E-Gold would ad code to send an email message to a customer when they receive a payment! You've been Paid! Buy anything from Amazon.com at www.BananaGold.com! Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Yeah, it's a cool idea if someone does it to you once. But, if you start getting five to ten ad spends a day it will clutter up your financial statements real fast. I think I would get pretty po'ed about it. But it is possible now, isn't it. - Original Message - From: SnowDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001 Autospend 1 mg to each user in numeric sequence and put your message in the memo field. Steve, I think this is a brilliant idea -- especially if E-Gold would ad code to send an email message to a customer when they receive a payment! You've been Paid! Buy anything from Amazon.com at www.BananaGold.com! Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Yeah, it's a cool idea if someone does it to you once. But, if you start getting five to ten ad spends a day it will clutter up your financial statements real fast. I think I would get pretty po'ed about it. But it is possible now, isn't it. OK, E-Gold could add a feature to their website. 1) Account Holders could turn the feature on and off. 2) Any business could use the feature, but they would have to pay E-Gold for its use. 3) All customers who have the feature turned 'On' would receive an email through their email address. 4) Sort of like pre-bought spam. The business wishing to use this broadcast service would be told how many customers have the feature turned ON, so he would know how many account holders would receive his email. This would also drive the price. 5) Make the switch to turn OFF the service really small, on the Account Profile page, so most customers would get these types of broadcasts by default. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
On the bright side, actually getting paid for spam is a nice concept. - Original Message - From: SnowDog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001 Yeah, it's a cool idea if someone does it to you once. But, if you start getting five to ten ad spends a day it will clutter up your financial statements real fast. I think I would get pretty po'ed about it. But it is possible now, isn't it. OK, E-Gold could add a feature to their website. 1) Account Holders could turn the feature on and off. 2) Any business could use the feature, but they would have to pay E-Gold for its use. 3) All customers who have the feature turned 'On' would receive an email through their email address. 4) Sort of like pre-bought spam. The business wishing to use this broadcast service would be told how many customers have the feature turned ON, so he would know how many account holders would receive his email. This would also drive the price. 5) Make the switch to turn OFF the service really small, on the Account Profile page, so most customers would get these types of broadcasts by default. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
2) Any business could use the feature, but they would have to pay E-Gold for its use. The idea here is that E-Gold could set the price to allow businesses to 'Broadcast' messages to ALL account holders which subscribe to this service, (and subscriptions would be added automatically, requiring the user to turn them OFF manually -- maybe even at a cost to the account holder). However, the PRICE should be set by E-Gold SO HIGH that ONLY MegaCorp Int'l could afford it. This would allow major advertisers to reach the e-gold database through its mailing list, but would deny most Mom and Pop stores the opportunity, unless they want to pay the exorbitant cost. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
SnowDog wrote: 2) Any business could use the feature, but they would have to pay E-Gold for its use. The idea here is that E-Gold could set the price to allow businesses to 'Broadcast' messages to ALL account holders which subscribe to this service, (and subscriptions would be added automatically, requiring the user to turn them OFF manually -- maybe even at a cost to the account holder). However, the PRICE should be set by E-Gold SO HIGH that ONLY MegaCorp Int'l could afford it. This would allow major advertisers to reach the e-gold database through its mailing list, but would deny most Mom and Pop stores the opportunity, unless they want to pay the exorbitant cost. Total waste of time, and irritating to the users. Sending spamdonations is as simple as incrementing a counter and as cheap as minimum spend * number of customers. Nothing e-gold can do to stop it either, except screw up micropayments by raising the minimum spend. On the other hand, making people pay to avoid being spammed by some official list will just annoy the hell out of them, and make them switch to GoldMoney. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
There's a good solution to this: e-gold should add the ability to categorize spends so as to make agregating or ignoring a slew of spamdonations easier. show all, show spams, show MMs, show purchases... etc. If you went this route -- to allow 'Spam Spends' -- then a category could be set-up by E-Gold for such a spend, which WOULD be broadcast simultaneously to each receiver through their e-mail address, BUT E-Gold would have to allow each receiver the option of charging a business to send this type of spam. Every user could set HIS OWN PRICE to receive this type of spam. So, some users might set the price at 10 grams each. Some might set them at .01 grams each. Businesses wishing to send these types of SPAM payments, (with the corresponding email messages), would be able to choose to send the spam payments only to those who charge less than their target amount. They would also be given the ability to determine total cost BEFORE sending out such SPAM Payments. The disadvantage to allowing SPAM Payments like this is that this encourages people to open up multiple accounts. So, perhaps the business wishing to send spam payments would be able to send them: 1) Only to accounts which charge less that 0.01 grams each AND 2) Only to FUNDED accounts with more than 10 grams of e-gold in them. By allowing business to target ONLY funded accounts, and in predetermined quantities, then people would be discouraged from opening up multiple accounts just to receive the spam payments, because they would have to fund each account. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
The idea here is that E-Gold could set the price to allow businesses to 'Broadcast' messages to ALL account holders which subscribe to this service,(and subscriptions would be added automatically, requiring the user to turn them OFF manually -- maybe even at a cost to the account holder). Let me get this straight. You're suggesting that account holders be CHARGED to refuse spam? And you want e-Gold Ltd. to setup and run an mail system that pushes email to EVERY account holders PRIVATE email address? I don't care how much you trust internet security (tongue firmly planted in cheek), that is an open invitation to hackers. I use e-Gold because I really like the privacy designed into the system. Let's not break it just to make money. Leave e-Gold alone and build your own mailing list. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Ken Griffith wrote: Yeah, it's a cool idea if someone does it to you once. But, if you start getting five to ten ad spends a day it will clutter up your financial statements real fast. I think I would get pretty po'ed about it. But it is possible now, isn't it. There's a good solution to this: e-gold should add the ability to categorize spends so as to make agregating or ignoring a slew of spamdonations easier. show all, show spams, show MMs, show purchases... etc. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
On the other hand, making people pay to avoid being spammed by some official list will just annoy the hell out of them, and make them switch to GoldMoney. Being forced to dig around in the acct pages just to turn off that 'convenience' would also annoy the hell out of people. A new user creates an account and in a few days is barraged with e-gold related spam. Does anybody like getting lots of spam after signing up for a new service? Receiving 0.1 oz. silver (~4/1000 US cent) would be not acceptable compensation for me. I would rather have the e-gold's techs work on continually improving, and maintaining, the system rather than work on making it easier for me to receive even more worthless spam. If e-gold did implement this, it's function as a currency could be shadowed by it's function as a get-paid-to-read-mail outlet. What's to stop a company from advertising on the e-gold spamlist and only accepting plastic on their site? All who want e-gold to be turned into a get-paid-to-read-mail program, please raise your hand. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Viking Coder wrote: Being forced to dig around in the acct pages just to turn off that 'convenience' would also annoy the hell out of people. So it's offered as an option in the setup screens, notify me if somebody pays me, and the default is don't. Spends will still go onto the statements, they just won't result in users recieving emails. Or perhaps even better: (*) never notify me, I'll read it online if I want to ( ) always notify me ( ) only notify when I recieve more than [_] grams All who want e-gold to be turned into a get-paid-to-read-mail program, please raise your hand. With the idea of spamdonations being out there now and trivial to implement, I see little way to prevent it. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
SnowDog wrote: All who want e-gold to be turned into a get-paid-to-read-mail program, please raise your hand. With the idea of spamdonations being out there now and trivial to implement, I see little way to prevent it. I think everyone would go for it, if they could choose the amount of gold that would have to be spent to their account before they would be notified. Set the value at 10 grams and make a fortune. Of course, at that price, you probably wouldn't get any spam payments. It would become a matter of bidding, almost. Set it low and you could make like a whale and scoop up a slew of tiny spam payments. Set it high and catch a few bif fish. And from the advertisers perspectives, they would have to work out an optimal spend amount that people are interested in, or have opt in for larger amounts lists, and so on. I'm all for it. If I don't want spam I can just set it up to one kilo. Anyone who wants to send me one kilo of gold, I will gladly read whatthefuckever they choose to attach to it :-) Only trouble wth this is that the ad people are blinded to the amount they need to spend. Perhaps another of those nifty graphs of accounts-by-mass? So for e-gold what they should do is - allow email notifies of spends along with the memo - allow turning it off or setting a minimum - graph the minima by number of accounts --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
So it's offered as an option in the setup screens, notify me if somebody pays me, and the default is don't. Spends will still go onto the statements, they just won't result in users recieving emails. That still requires e-gold to spend time resources on making e-gold a better get-paid-to-read-email system rather than a better private digital currency. All who want e-gold to be turned into a get-paid-to-read-mail program, please raise your hand. With the idea of spamdonations being out there now and trivial to implement, I see little way to prevent it. Check out the recent discussion on e-gold supposedly supporting HYIPs becuase they don't enact draconian measures that would also harm innocent individuals. There is a major difference between what indepedent individuals do with e-gold and what e-gold officially does. If e-gold included the option in the sign-up screen, that would be an official action. They would be officially recognizing and endorsing the fact that account holders will be spammed mercilessly. There are already a few paid-to-read programs out there. Vince at freedomhound.com even has something like it with his NicklesWorth program. I heartily support these operations. One thing I think a few people haven't realized about the acct spamming is that you only have 50 characters to work with. One other point about acct spamming is that you don't know which 95,000 accts are funded, so you would have to spend to every single account. That would destroy that valuable fact on the stats page. It would show that there are 250,000 accts of which 250,000 are funded. I want e-gold to remain a currency, plain and simple. I don't want them to turn into some sort of ad house/paid-to-read program. Let e-gold ltd. do what it does best, be a accounting system for it's private digital currency. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Only trouble wth this is that the ad people are blinded to the amount they need to spend. Perhaps another of those nifty graphs of accounts-by-mass? So for e-gold what they should do is - allow email notifies of spends along with the memo - allow turning it off or setting a minimum - graph the minima by number of accounts Right! This feature, (giving businesses the option to SPAM E-Gold's Email Addresses), would also give the businesses purchasing these spam-payments a 'Preview' of: 1) How much it will cost them; 2) How many email addresses will receive the emails; 3) How the users accounts are broken-down by available e-gold balances, etc. The business would be able to choose his level of payment based on the number and type of accounts that he will interact with. The receiving customer just SETS HIS PRICE. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001.
SnowDog wrote: Only trouble wth this is that the ad people are blinded to the amount they need to spend. Perhaps another of those nifty graphs of accounts-by-mass? So for e-gold what they should do is - allow email notifies of spends along with the memo - allow turning it off or setting a minimum - graph the minima by number of accounts Right! This feature, (giving businesses the option to SPAM E-Gold's Email Addresses), Spam their *accounts* - an importat distinction; everyone gets it, not everyone gets emailed about it. The others will still see it in theor statements, if they bother reading them. This would also be very hmm humble spam. It would only have fifty character with which to convince you. Kinda like working within Haiku form, it could encourage some virtuosity by the spammers :-) would also give the businesses purchasing these spam-payments a 'Preview' of: 1) How much it will cost them; 2) How many email addresses will receive the emails; By graphing, they get to calculate effectively how much area under the graph they're prepared to pay for. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001.
Spam their *accounts* - an importat distinction; everyone gets it, not everyone gets emailed about it. The others will still see it in theor statements, if they bother reading them. Actually, I was thinking it would be more elaborate than that: It would be a special function that could be accessed by anyone wishing to use it, but the payments would be made ONLY to those whose 'value limit' was reached by the sender and they would be able to send an email with much more information in it to the email address, along with an associated payment to their account. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001.
SnowDog wrote: Spam their *accounts* - an importat distinction; everyone gets it, not everyone gets emailed about it. The others will still see it in theor statements, if they bother reading them. Actually, I was thinking it would be more elaborate than that: It would be a special function that could be accessed by anyone wishing to use it, but the payments would be made ONLY to those whose 'value limit' was reached by the sender and they would be able to send an email with much more information in it to the email address, along with an associated payment to their account. Won't solve the problem of spamdonations by microdonating to every account, unfortunately. That being what set off the discussion in the first place. Plus, having the spams be as limited as memos will help put some sense into them; it's hard to waffle and drop buzzwords in one single short sentence. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
giving businesses the option to SPAM E-Gold's Email Addresses Am I the only one who doesn't want e-gold to officially turn into yet another place to receive SPAM from? There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented. A one-time payment for an account holder's email address. This would appear on the signup page as something like... How much are you willing to sell your e-mail address to spammer's for? The spammer would receive the e-mail address and the acct holder would receive the one-time payment and the barrage of worthless messages to follow. OR Spammer goes to the e-gold website and chooses the accts he wants to send the message to. e-gold then processes the messages, and the payments, out to the recipients. The recipient then either has the email program filter all messages coming from [EMAIL PROTECTED] into the trash or deals with an increased amount of worthless messages. This would appear on the signup page like How much would you require to be paid for each piece of SPAM that we send to you? Anybody who visited the site would see something akin to the following: Want to SPAM our acct holders? Click here How will that encourage new users to join? Let e-gold remain a currency. They have a done a pretty good job so far, even without selling out their account holders. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Viking Coder wrote: giving businesses the option to SPAM E-Gold's Email Addresses Am I the only one who doesn't want e-gold to officially turn into yet another place to receive SPAM from? There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented. [...] There are other ways. The simplest: [x] notify me by email for spends worth more than [1] [USD] [ ] do not let me recieve any spend worth less than [__0.1] [USD] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented. [...] There are other ways. The simplest: [x] notify me by email for spends worth more than [1] [USD] [ ] do not let me recieve any spend worth less than [__0.1] [USD] You're talking about something completely different than what SnowDog was proposing. He was talking about selling the e-mail addresses of e-gold account holders. You're talking about receiving email notifications of payments received. However, you both have the same intention; turning e-gold into a paid-to-read outlet. Viking Coder Worth Two Cents? http://www.two-cents-worth.com/?VikingCoder --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: e-gold-list digest: June 20, 2001
Viking Coder wrote: There are two ways that a program like this could be implemented. [...] There are other ways. The simplest: [x] notify me by email for spends worth more than [1] [USD] [ ] do not let me recieve any spend worth less than [__0.1] [USD] You're talking about something completely different than what SnowDog was proposing. He was talking about selling the e-mail addresses of e-gold account holders. You're talking about receiving email notifications of payments received. However, you both have the same intention; turning e-gold into a paid-to-read outlet. Not quite. I'm thinking how to give users some market clout against a system which already allows some form of pay-to-read by pushing spam donations. Minimum amount of silver will add up to nearly nothing even spamming the whole numberspace, so many spams are possible. My suggestions make it so it's only commercially viable to send *much more* than that. Which means less spams, more money to the users, happiness all round, world peace, and a libertarian US president. Ahem. Sorry, got carried away there :-) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
