RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Ed Muns
 I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent 
 on the serial cable used for rig control. From memory this 
 was possible on the K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest 
 programs didn't support this. 
 
 Is this the same as the K3, or is the set-up different this 
 time so standard logging and contest programs will be able to 
 utilise this ?? Hope this makes sense!!

Any software that provides CW keying via a serial port can key the K3 with a
standard serial cable connected between the PC and K3.  In the K3
configuration menu, you select which of the RS232 signal lines is used for
CW keying.

73,
Ed - W0YK

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Vic K2VCO

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent on the
serial cable used for rig control. From memory this was possible on
the K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest programs didn't support
this.

Is this the same as the K3, or is the set-up different this time so
standard logging and contest programs will be able to utilise this ??
Hope this makes sense!!


The K3 has a superset of the K2's command set. So anything the K2 can 
do, the K3 can do as well.


There's no reason that contest logging programs could not have used the 
direct CW feature of the K2. This was probably just because the 
developers didn't see it as important -- there were only a small number 
of K2's compared to radios of other types, and there was already a way 
to key it, although not so elegant.


However, if I am not mistaken, many, many contesters and DXpeditions 
will be using K3's, enough to make an impression on the developers. 
Especially when some of the developers themselves will have K3's!

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73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread vk2nu
Thanks Ed and Vic for quick replies.. 

I was always surprised the function wasn't widely supported by contesting 
programs for the K2, as it had developed a good rep as a contest radio, but 
nice to hear that the K3 will work (as is) for cw keying, without logging 
programmers having to modify their software !!

One less cable between the radio and PC is always good news, now if you could 
only assign FSK keying to the serial cable I could forget all about the 15 pin 
plug on the back of the K3..

Thanks again..

David, Vk2NU
 
 There's no reason that contest logging programs could not have used the 
 direct CW feature of the K2. This was probably just because the 
 developers didn't see it as important -- there were only a small number 
 of K2's compared to radios of other types, and there was already a way 
 to key it, although not so elegant.
 

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Is TX frequency susceptible to RF on chassis?

2007-10-15 Thread David Woolley

Don Wilhelm wrote:


I do not believe that RF on the chassis could easily cause a frequency 


I hope that's the case, although UHF RF can cause a small shift, and I 
assume the MHz birdies are less affected than the varactor controlled 
oscillators.


I suggest that you first take a good look at your SSB FL1 filter for 
both LSB and USB.  If you have the curently normal SSB filter width of 


I'll have another look at that.

tracking.  If you have an extremely 'bassy' voice, then you may want to 


Low on USB would suggest the opposite.

If you are using the K2 frequency indication to 'net' on a given 
frequency, your dial calibration may be off a bit.  To get it right, 


As the frequency appeared to be round, I may have been influenced by 
that as well as the correct sound.


refer to the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website 
http://w3fpr.qrpradio.com for techniques to accurately set the 4 MHz 
reference oscillator and the following steps to achieve good dial 
calibration.


Unfortunately, the sun doesn't seem to favour picking up WWV.  The 
original calibration was against the MHz birdies on an FRG7, which was, 
I think, calibrated against WWV in the past.  However I just tried on 
some 41m broadcast stations, and it looks like the calibration might be 
30 to 40 Hz high on that band, which probably equates to 50 to 70 Hz, in 
the same sense, on 10m, so I may try a calibration against those 
broadcast stations.  (Does anyone know a relatively accurate broadcast 
station, receivable in a noisy location in the UK, and near the high end 
of the VFO range?)





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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Ed Muns
 One less cable between the radio and PC is always good news, 
 now if you could only assign FSK keying to the serial cable I 
 could forget all about the 15 pin plug on the back of the K3..

This is on the K3 firmware task list.  Just a small matter of firmware, but
there are other higher priority features Wayne is working on.

73,
Ed - W0YK

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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Is TX frequency susceptible to RF on chassis?

2007-10-15 Thread David Woolley

Don Wilhelm wrote:

 the same sense, on 10m, so I may try a calibration against those

Oops, I meant 20m.  The same applies if I mentioned 10m in the original.

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Wine Update Software

2007-10-15 Thread Julian G4ILO
It's a fair point, Vic. But there are some very professional
developers out there in Elecraft user land, who understand the meaning
of the word testing. Harnessing their expertise to produce loaders
for different platforms seems to me to be more practical than
expecting Elecraft to do it all themselves. I'm glad I use Windows
(and that isn't something I say very often! ) Mac and Linux users must
be feeling a bit left out at this point.

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On 10/14/07, Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The first version of the download software, which was written by Wayne
 in order to get the field testers functional, used C# and .net.

 The current version, which you will get, was written by a software
 developer (not that Wayne isn't a good programmer!), and does not use
 .net. Although as far as I know only a Windows version exists today, I
 am sure that the portability issue is receiving attention.

 The software needs to load several modules (for example, the MCU and the
 DSP code, possibly DSP code for the second rx, etc.) so it's not all
 that simple. They certainly don't want owners calling them and saying I
 used xyz software to load my firmware and now the radio behaves like a
 brick. In that case, would it be fair for them to provide free support?
 Would the owner be happy if they asked him to pay for a fix?
 --
 73,
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 Fresno CA
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Wine Update Software

2007-10-15 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Well, 'luckily' ?  I'm an IT professional and so I have to use Wintel too -
to that end, I have my own XP laptop, but I prefer to use Mac and do so for
logging and rig control etc. But will be able to load firmware via the
Elecraft USB adaptor.

Of course, all those with Mac manufactured in the last 18 months or so can
run XP (or other software) though a virtual machine.

And no, I can't program for a Mac I'm afraid.

BTW Julian, rather depressed to hear the potential delivery date of your K3,
means mine will be around the same time I guess.

Shameless plug:
50th Anniversary of JOTA this coming weekend, I shall be QRV as GB4SBS as
usual - SSB (since most scouts don't know CW) on most bands.


On 15/10/07 09:32, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
 Mac and Linux users must
 be feeling a bit left out at this point.

-- 
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comes you'll know you're dead. -Tennessee Williams


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Wine Update Software

2007-10-15 Thread Ian J Maude

Julian G4ILO wrote:

It's a fair point, Vic. But there are some very professional
developers out there in Elecraft user land, who understand the meaning
of the word testing. Harnessing their expertise to produce loaders
for different platforms seems to me to be more practical than
expecting Elecraft to do it all themselves. I'm glad I use Windows
(and that isn't something I say very often! ) Mac and Linux users must
be feeling a bit left out at this point.
  
I don't see why Julian.  VMware is free these days and having an XP VM 
is a breeze for the vast majority of Linux users.  Personally I have 
both O/S's here and I have no problem at all with Elecraft having a 
windoze utility.


Ian


--

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SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster
Member RSGB, GQRP
K2 #4044 |K3 #?

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Wine Update Software

2007-10-15 Thread Julian G4ILO
VMWare may be free, but XP isn't. And expecting non Windows users to
jump through technical hoops and buy a Microsoft OS just to run a
firmware loader does not seem to me to be reasonable.

I wonder how many Mac or Linux users out there have not ordered a K3
yet because of this issue?

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On 10/15/07, Ian J Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I don't see why Julian.  VMware is free these days and having an XP VM
 is a breeze for the vast majority of Linux users.
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Ed K1EP

At 10/15/2007 01:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi All,

I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent on the 
serial cable used for rig control. From memory this was possible on 
the K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest programs didn't support this.


Is this the same as the K3, or is the set-up different this time so 
standard logging and contest programs will be able to utilise this 
?? Hope this makes sense!!


I was using this feature over the weekend to send CW using the serial 
cable line.  I was using N1MM logger with my K3.




Cheers

David, Vk2NU




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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Is TX frequency susceptible to RF on chassis?

2007-10-15 Thread Julian G4ILO
David.

Your situation as described in another email seems very similar to
mine. I am operating a K2/10 with an indoor antenna, a closed loop
approximately 20m in circumference with the feedpoint about 2m
directly above the K2. The loop is fed via the KAT2, some 2.5m of
RG-213 and an Elecraft BL-1 balun at the feed point. I have no RF
ground, being in an upstairs bedroom. When connected to the power
supply, the K2 is grounded through the electrical supply earth, but I
have never noticed any difference when operating it from its internal
battery, completely isolated.

In over 6 years of operating, including frequency-sensitive digimodes,
I have never noticed any frequency shift of the K2 TX frequency.

I just attempted, by holding the FT-817 with whip antenna right next
to my K2, to test for sensitivity to UHF, while monitoring a PSK31
station on 20m, and there was no perceptible change in frequency.

Therefore I wonder if you should look elsewhere for the cause of the
problem. Before investigating inside the K2, is your power supply
immune to RF? Does the voltage change in the presence of RF?

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On 10/14/07, David Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I checked the transmit frequency relative to the receive one with a
 dummy load, at 10 watts, and there is no problem.  It's possible that
 this is simply a combination of my voice and the filter settings, but it
 could also be that RF on the chassis is upsetting the BFO and/or
 reference oscillator control voltages.  Is this a known issue?
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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Don Nesbitt
Hi Dave - the only software that I found that directly supported this in the
K2 was the MixW (http://www.mixw.net/) program.  As I recall, it directly
supported the KY (could have that nomenclature wrong) commands for keying.

I did use it for a while and was able to put the right code into the
function buttons in the program to have it work - and - it worked quite
well! Nice to not have to deal with extra cables!

I also recall that after a lot of inquiries into other software
possibilities, most developers didn't want to support that command set as it
presented lots of issues with internal program timing and interrupting
sequences within various routines (I'm sure that I've misstated that and
someone in the programming arena will correct me!)

Maybe there will be some further development in this area. It would be nice!
73 es gud dxing -- Don N4HH

SNIP

I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent on the serial
cable used for rig control. From memory this was possible on the K2 but most
3rd party logging/contest programs didn't support this. 

Is this the same as the K3, or is the set-up different this time so standard
logging and contest programs will be able to utilise this ?? Hope this makes
sense!!

Cheers

David, Vk2NU
SNIP

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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Don Nesbitt
Ed - my understanding is that N1MM does NOT support the KY command set.  I
too use N1MM to key through the serial port but use a simple single
transistor switch to do it.

The KY command set would allow one to key WITHOUT any additional keying
circuit.  See page 309 of the N1MM Logger manual released on 7-10-2007 -
under Supported Radios - Section 50.3 Elecraft for a reference.  73 -- Don
N4HH

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed K1EP
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

SNIP

I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent on the 
serial cable used for rig control. From memory this was possible on 
the K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest programs didn't support this.

SNIP

I was using this feature over the weekend to send CW using the serial 
cable line.  I was using N1MM logger with my K3.


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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread David Douglass
Thanks Ed, I was actually only joking and I didn't think this would be
possible -- excellent stuff

Cheers

David

-Original Message-
From: Ed Muns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 15 October 2007 5:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

 One less cable between the radio and PC is always good news, 
 now if you could only assign FSK keying to the serial cable I 
 could forget all about the 15 pin plug on the back of the K3..

This is on the K3 firmware task list.  Just a small matter of firmware, but
there are other higher priority features Wayne is working on.

73,
Ed - W0YK


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Re: [Elecraft] [K2] Is TX frequency susceptible to RF on chassis?

2007-10-15 Thread Don Wilhelm

David,

The same principles work fine for any known frequency, it is just that 
the subtraction of the BFO frequency from the VFO frequency is not as 
straightforward.


An AM station broadcasting standard and constant tones (such as WWV) is 
easiest because one can observe the demodulated audio tones with 
Spectrogram assuring accurate tuning.  If you have a good ear, you may 
be able to tune to a station broadcasting music to within 5 or 10 Hz.


If you do use an AM broadcast station without standard tones as your 
standard, I would suggest that you tune it by ear in LSB or USB first, 
then switch to CW while observing the audio with Spectrogram - the 
carrier should appear 'straight and tall' at the frequency you have set 
in the K2 for the sidetone pitch - thus assuring accurate tuning of the 
station.  Then go back to SSB mode to set C22 while doing the 
subtraction between the VFO and BFO frequencies.  A note to help - any 
adjustment of C22 will move the VFO frequency reading about 5 times 
faster than the BFO reading, so do the adjustment with the counter probe 
plugged into TP1 and then check the result in TP2.  A few trials should 
yield an accurate setting.


73,
Don W3FPR


David Woolley wrote:

Don Wilhelm wrote:


refer to the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website 
http://w3fpr.qrpradio.com for techniques to accurately set the 4 MHz 
reference oscillator and the following steps to achieve good dial 
calibration.


Unfortunately, the sun doesn't seem to favour picking up WWV.  The 
original calibration was against the MHz birdies on an FRG7, which 
was, I think, calibrated against WWV in the past.  However I just 
tried on some 41m broadcast stations, and it looks like the 
calibration might be 30 to 40 Hz high on that band, which probably 
equates to 50 to 70 Hz, in the same sense, on 10m, so I may try a 
calibration against those broadcast stations.  (Does anyone know a 
relatively accurate broadcast station, receivable in a noisy location 
in the UK, and near the high end of the VFO range?)






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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Julian G4ILO
I use MixW and I was not aware that it directly supported K2 KY
keying. The macros do have support for direct entry of CAT commands,
and you can use that facility to send raw KY commands to the K2.
Perhaps that is what you meant. It would allow the facility to be used
to send fixed text, just like keyer memories, but you cannot insert
variables from the log like the other station's call or an incremented
serial number, nor is it usable to send text typed in real time.

Because you are limited by the K2 protocol to how many characters you
can send at a time, and must poll the buffer until it is ready before
you can send more, you can't use this method to send very long texts.

On the other hand, perhaps they have added support in a recent update
and I wasn't aware of it?
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On 10/15/07, Don Nesbitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Dave - the only software that I found that directly supported this in the
 K2 was the MixW (http://www.mixw.net/) program.  As I recall, it directly
 supported the KY (could have that nomenclature wrong) commands for keying.
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[Elecraft] K3 15khz 2nd IF?

2007-10-15 Thread Brett gazdzinski
Just wondering if anyone can clue me in on the 15 KHz second
IF frequency used on the K3.
I was wondering why 15KHz, instead of 10, or 50 KHz?

I know it gets harder to sample the higher you go, but what are the 
advantages of 15 KHz over audio frequencies, and is not 20 or 50 KHz
possible? What about 10KHz?

Just what drives the choice of 15 KHz?

Brett
N2DTS

 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 15khz 2nd IF?

2007-10-15 Thread n2ey


-Original Message-
From: Brett gazdzinski [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Just what drives the choice of 15 KHz?


Here's my semi-educated guess. Correct me if I'm wrong, folks!:

The reason for the conversion to a low last-IF is to feed the DSP 
filter-decoder system.
The lower you go, the better, because you get more samples per Hz of 
signal. (If you are
sampling a 15 kHz signal 150,000 times per second, that's 10,000 
samples per Hz, but if you
were to sample a 150 kHz signal the same number of times per second you 
only get 1000
samples per Hz.) All else being equal, more samples per Hz is better, 
as is more bits per sample.

But increasing either means more processor power is needed.

You can't go much lower than 15 kHz without getting down into audio. 
Plus you also
have roofing-filter issues at low IFs (if you tried to convert from the 
first IF to, say, 5 kHz, the
oscillator is only 5 kHz from the filter passband, and the secondary 
image is only 10 kHz away.)


Every design is a series of tradeoffs. 15 kHz is the optimum tradeoff 
for all these issues given the

available parts and other design issues.

---

You are probably familiar with receivers of the 1950-60s era which used 
a last IF in the 50 to 250
kHz range. From the Hallicrafters SX-88/S-76 to the Drake R4B and many 
in between, this was
done because it allowed a reasonable number of practical LC circuits to 
provide the selectivity.
Again, a tradeoff - lower IF was better for selectivity but made the 
secondary-image problem

worse, while a higher IF meant more tuned circuits were needed.

The introduction of practical high frequency xtal filters ended that 
design.


73 de Jim, N2EY

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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Don Nesbitt
Yes - thanks for jogging my memory Julian - it's been a long time since I
tried it but you are absolutely correct - I could enter the KY commands in
MixW with fixed messages and it worked fine - but - (ah, the proverbial
but) was limited to canned messages.  Never could figure out if there
was a way to insert a variable within the text.  73 -- Don N4HH

SNIP

I use MixW and I was not aware that it directly supported K2 KY
keying. The macros do have support for direct entry of CAT commands,
and you can use that facility to send raw KY commands to the K2.
Perhaps that is what you meant. It would allow the facility to be used
to send fixed text, just like keyer memories, but you cannot insert
variables from the log like the other station's call or an incremented
serial number, nor is it usable to send text typed in real time.

Because you are limited by the K2 protocol to how many characters you
can send at a time, and must poll the buffer until it is ready before
you can send more, you can't use this method to send very long texts.

On the other hand, perhaps they have added support in a recent update
and I wasn't aware of it?
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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Ed Muns
 Thanks Ed, I was actually only joking and I didn't think this 
 would be possible -- excellent stuff

Almost anything is possible with Wayne as chief engineer and firmware at his
disposal.  Be careful what you ask for because you'll probably get it.

73,
Ed - W0YK

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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Ed Muns
The K3 RS232 port is just that ... RS232.  So, no level-shifting transistor
(or keying transistor) is needed.  Any software that sends CW via the
serial port on the PC can key the K3 directly.  That's the beauty of the K3
design ... well, one of hundreds of beautiful things about the K3.  Via the
configuration menu, either RTS or DTR can be chosen for CW keying, in
addition to PTT.  On that same serial port, the RxD and TxD lines are used
for radio control.  Just use a standard generic serial cable, nothing else.

73,
Ed - W0YK

 Ed - my understanding is that N1MM does NOT support the KY 
 command set.  I too use N1MM to key through the serial port 
 but use a simple single transistor switch to do it.
 
 The KY command set would allow one to key WITHOUT any 
 additional keying
 circuit.  See page 309 of the N1MM Logger manual released on 
 7-10-2007 - under Supported Radios - Section 50.3 Elecraft 
 for a reference.  73 -- Don N4HH
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed K1EP
 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:42 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question
 
 SNIP
 
 I've been reading about the ability of the K3 to have CW sent on the 
 serial cable used for rig control. From memory this was 
 possible on the 
 K2 but most 3rd party logging/contest programs didn't support this.
 
 SNIP
 
 I was using this feature over the weekend to send CW using 
 the serial cable line.  I was using N1MM logger with my K3.
 
 
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[Elecraft] K3: Front/Bottom accessory connector usage?

2007-10-15 Thread Chuck Catledge
Can anyone explain the usage of the accessory connector described on owner's
manual page 13?

FP ACC This connector (RJ-45, 6 pins) is located
on the bottom of the transceiver, near the VFO B
knob. It is used with accessory devices.

--
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RE: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV


 There's no reason that contest logging programs could not 
 have used the direct CW feature of the K2. This was probably 
 just because the developers didn't see it as important -- there 
 were only a small number of K2's compared to radios of other 
 types, and there was already a way to key it, although not so 
 elegant.
 
 However, if I am not mistaken, many, many contesters and DXpeditions 
 will be using K3's, enough to make an impression on the developers. 

At least one developer of contest software has stated that he will 
not waste the effort to implement CW via the KY command since it is 
not generally supported.  The KY command works only with the TS-2000, 
TS-870, TS-570, TS-480, SDR-1000, FLEX-5000, K2 and now K3.  

I know it's heresy here, but those radios collectively represent a 
very small portion of the user base for any contest logger.  

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2007-10-15 Thread Ron Polityka
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Thanks Ron,
   QNI #4000!  I never thought it would last this long. Until next week 
73,

  Kevin.


Wow, first time I checked into both the 20m and 40m net with my K2 @ 5 watts 
and I was # 4,000.

I worked Kevin on 40m with a ground mounted Butternut HF9V with 120 radials.

Elecraft Mojo!!

72 and Thanks,
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
www.wb3aal.com
www.n3epa.org/

K1 - SN 01011
K2 - SN 01392


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RE: [Elecraft] K3: Front/Bottom accessory connector usage?

2007-10-15 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
Keyboard 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck Catledge
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:52 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Front/Bottom accessory connector usage?

Can anyone explain the usage of the accessory connector described on owner's
manual page 13?

FP ACC This connector (RJ-45, 6 pins) is located on the bottom of the
transceiver, near the VFO B knob. It is used with accessory devices.

--
Chuck - AE4CW

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Front/Bottom accessory connector usage?

2007-10-15 Thread Julian G4ILO
Some time ago, Wayne stated that this would allow an external keyboard
to be connected so that you could operate data modes without a
computer and without using a Morse key as the input device (and
presumably also send Morse by typing.)

So far, no indication has been given as to the sort of keyboard that
can be used, other than a standard PC keyboard will not be compatible.
So my guess is that it will be a to-be-announced Elecraft accessory.
-- 
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On 10/15/07, Chuck Catledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can anyone explain the usage of the accessory connector described on owner's
 manual page 13?

 FP ACC This connector (RJ-45, 6 pins) is located
 on the bottom of the transceiver, near the VFO B
 knob. It is used with accessory devices.

 --
 Chuck - AE4CW

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: Front/Bottom accessory connector usage?

2007-10-15 Thread Ed Muns
 Can anyone explain the usage of the accessory connector 
 described on owner's manual page 13?
 
 FP ACC This connector (RJ-45, 6 pins) is located on the 
 bottom of the transceiver, near the VFO B knob. It is used 
 with accessory devices.

For now it is used by the factory to access the hardware directly, e.g.,
programming the boot loader.  There is no user access available at this
time, but something interesting might be developed for it in the future.

73,
Ed - W0YK

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Front/Bottom accessory connector usage?

2007-10-15 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Hey, don't you think the suspence of waiting for my shipment is bad enough -
without saying things like that 

hihi


On 15/10/07 16:11, Ed Muns [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 something interesting might be developed for it in the future.

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW via serial cable question

2007-10-15 Thread Julian G4ILO
Even less chance, then, that any software will support the K3's in-DSP
CW and data decoding. :(

The tragedy is that it would not be difficult to add this support.
Much easier than writing a dedicated K3 control program will
full-blown logging and contest capabilities!

Simon has said that HRD will support it. Unfortunately I have never
managed to get to grips with that program's user interface, and I'm
not sure (as a non-serious contester) whether HRD counts as a contest
logger anyway.

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On 10/15/07, Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know it's heresy here, but those radios collectively represent a
 very small portion of the user base for any contest logger.
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Wine Update Software

2007-10-15 Thread Bob Nielsen
With Microsoft Virtual PC, I can even run XP on my G4 Mac although it  
is extremely slow, as one would expect from cross-platform  
emulation.  There is a version of QEMM (free) which emulates Intel  
for the PowerPC Macs also, but I haven't tried running Windows on it.


Bob, N7XY

On Oct 15, 2007, at 2:02 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

Well, 'luckily' ?  I'm an IT professional and so I have to use  
Wintel too -
to that end, I have my own XP laptop, but I prefer to use Mac and  
do so for

logging and rig control etc. But will be able to load firmware via the
Elecraft USB adaptor.

Of course, all those with Mac manufactured in the last 18 months or  
so can

run XP (or other software) though a virtual machine.

And no, I can't program for a Mac I'm afraid.

BTW Julian, rather depressed to hear the potential delivery date of  
your K3,

means mine will be around the same time I guess.

Shameless plug:
50th Anniversary of JOTA this coming weekend, I shall be QRV as  
GB4SBS as

usual - SSB (since most scouts don't know CW) on most bands.


On 15/10/07 09:32, Julian G4ILO [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
 Mac and Linux users must

be feeling a bit left out at this point.




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2007-10-15 Thread Gary Bartlett VE1RGB

Well done, Kevin!  Congrats from QNI #1.

   73,
   Gary, VE1RGB, K2/100 #2519 ( K2/100 #3223  K3/100 # TBD)


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Thanks Ron,
   QNI #4000!  I never thought it would last this long. Until next week 
73,

  Kevin.



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RE: [Elecraft] K3: Front/Bottom accessory connector usage?

2007-10-15 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
Hello Julian.

Do you suppose a 'standard keyboard' outfitted with a appropriate cable and
plug will fill the bill? 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julian G4ILO

 Some time ago, Wayne stated that this would allow an external keyboard...


Regards,
Dick - KA5KKT/4

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: Front/Bottom accessory connector usage?

2007-10-15 Thread Greg - AB7R
Ed,

This connector does NOT presently support a keyboard.  It is used by the 
factory only.  There may be some future 
accessories or keyboard support, but not at this time.  


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065
K3#0009

On Mon Oct 15 12:20 , Edward Dickinson, III  sent:

Hello Julian.

Do you suppose a 'standard keyboard' outfitted with a appropriate cable and
plug will fill the bill? 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julian G4ILO

 Some time ago, Wayne stated that this would allow an external keyboard...


Regards,
Dick - KA5KKT/4

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 S/N 00011

2007-10-15 Thread Robert Friess

I second Ed's comments.  Same problem here.

Bob

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 9, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Ed Muns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I've been having power on problems with my K3 since picking it up last
Thursday in Aptos.  Initially, the problem was that it would not  
power up
immediately upon pressing the POWER button.  Sometimes the power on  
would be

delayed and other times it just wouldn't happen.  But, usually, after
several button presses, the power would come on.

Just now as I was proofing the manual and using the K3 in the  
process, it

started acting up.  Now, it is hard to get it to turn on and when I am
successful, it is locked up with no response from any of the buttons  
or

knobs.  It had MCU 1.17 and DSP 1.32 installed when I picked it up at
Elecraft.  When you asked us to try MCU 1.18, I loaded it, but not  
until you

put the second version up.  The download appeared to work fine.

Currently, this K3 will only power on once after the APP power cord is
connected.  Thereafter, I have to remove the power cord, reconnect  
it and
then it will power up in its frozen state.  The VFO-A and VFO-B  
values are

what they were when the radio last worked.  But the filter graphic and
filter icon (FL1, etc.) are completely blank.  Also, the LEDs are on  
full
bright, when I had them set for minimum brightness.  The display is  
also

fully bright.

I tried downloading MCU 1.18 again and got the 'Err DSE' in VFO-B.
Subsequent tries to download are unsuccessful ... they don't even get
started.

What can I do now?

Ed

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Front/Bottom accessory connector usage?

2007-10-15 Thread Julian G4ILO
When this was originally mentioned, I did kind of assume this was
going to be an option, though not necessarily one that would be
available right away. I hope it is, and in the not too far distant
future.

The PC keyboard communication protocol is not ideally suited to this
task, consisting of key down and key up signals containing scan
codes that have to be translated to characters. My guess is that any
such accessory would have to be a custom made unit sending data in a
way that can be efficiently handled by the K3, rather than a cheap PC
keyboard with a different plug on the end. Since we're in wish list
territory here, I could even speculate that it might have its own
display with a larger tuning indicator and scrolling text readout than
that available on the K3 front panel.

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On 10/15/07, Greg - AB7R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ed,

 This connector does NOT presently support a keyboard.  It is used by the 
 factory only.  There may be some future
 accessories or keyboard support, but not at this time.


 -
 73,
 Greg - AB7R
 Whidbey Island WA
 NA-065
 K3#0009

 On Mon Oct 15 12:20 , Edward Dickinson, III  sent:

 Hello Julian.
 
 Do you suppose a 'standard keyboard' outfitted with a appropriate cable and
 plug will fill the bill?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julian G4ILO
 
  Some time ago, Wayne stated that this would allow an external keyboard...
 
 
 Regards,
 Dick - KA5KKT/4
 
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[Elecraft] K3 question

2007-10-15 Thread rattray

If one orders the K3, 100 watt version, will this also do QRP? - I'm just
starting to look into the K3 - tnx  73 - Bruce.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 question

2007-10-15 Thread Julian G4ILO
Yes, you can turn the power down, and the PA is switched out as you go
below 10 watts, as I understand it.

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On 10/15/07, rattray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If one orders the K3, 100 watt version, will this also do QRP? - I'm just
 starting to look into the K3 - tnx  73 - Bruce.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 question

2007-10-15 Thread Ian J Maude

rattray wrote:

If one orders the K3, 100 watt version, will this also do QRP? - I'm just
starting to look into the K3 - tnx  73 - Bruce.

72/73 - Bruce ve5rc/ve5qrp - QRP-C#1, QRP-L#886, A1 Operator
QRP-Canada - http://www.qrp-canada.com 
 



  

Should go all the way down to 200mW Bruce :-)

Ian

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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report for October 14th 15th, 2007

2007-10-15 Thread Kevin Rock

Good Morning,
   Right after the second net I went straight to bed.  Two days of ladder  
work and sheeting somehow got me tired ;)  But, the roof is tight and  
dry.  Now I can finish the inside part of the job while staying warm.  My  
two day respite from the rain has ceased with no break in sight.  Next  
weekend I will be on the road; I hope the travelling is not too difficult  
through the mountains.  By the way, if anyone wants to act as NCS for ECN  
please write me.  I will not be anywhere near a radio next Sunday so I  
cannot promise there will be a net without someone's assistance.
   A milestone has been passed.  Last night the first person to check into  
the 40 meter net was QNI #4000.  Thanks Ron!  I did not know it would last  
this long when I started it in 2003.  Hopefully we can reach 10,000 in a  
few years.  By then the solar cycle should be on the way up so contacts  
will not be as difficult.  Trying to make sense of the 'wall of sound'  
after I call will be the biggest problem :)


   On to the lists =

On 14050 kHz at 2300z:
N0SS - Tom - MO - K3 - 008
W6ZH - Pete - CA - K2 - 5138
AK2B - Tom - NY - K2 - 4482
W0RSR - Mike - CO - K2 - 5767
K4JPN - Steve - GA - K2 - 1422
W0JFR - John - CO - K2 - 4507
N0BK - Bruce - MN - K2 - 3646
KS7D - Mike - FL - K2 - 4443
NK6A - Don - CA - K2 - 1217
K4BEH - Pat - GA - K2 - 5061
N9SF - Bob - IN - K2 - 5308
WB3AAL - Ron - PA - K2 - 1392
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
N2YC - John - NY - K2 - 5949

On 7045 kHz at 0155z:
WB3AAL - Ron - PA - K2 - 1392
W6ZH - Pete - CA - K2 - 5138
N0SS - Tom - MO - K3 - 008
WC7S - Dale - WY - K2 - 4360
N0AR - Scott - MN - K2 - 4866
W0JFR - John - CO - K2 - 4507
W0CZ - Ken - ND - K2 - 1031
N4OI - Ken - NC - K1 - 1689
K4DGW - Dave - VA - K2 - 5982
K6PJV - Dale - CA - K2 - 5345
N0BK - Bruce - MN - K2 - 3646

   Thank you for all of the fun over the years.  It has been an enjoyable  
experience starting, developing, and running these nets each week.  I hope  
for many more years for us all.

   Until next week stay well,
  73,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS  (Net Control Operator 5th Class)

P.S. Any prospective NCS ops?  Next Sunday you can hone your skills by  
running ECN.  Feel free to apply for the job.  Pay is not that great but  
the rewards more than make up for the skimpy check :)

   KJR

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 15khz 2nd IF?

2007-10-15 Thread David Toepfer
You can plug 1a 15kHz IF directly into soundcard and get 30kHz bandwidth of
software defined radio.  This would be good for DRM too, I immagine.

dt
.

--- Brett gazdzinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Just wondering if anyone can clue me in on the 15 KHz second
 IF frequency used on the K3.
 I was wondering why 15KHz, instead of 10, or 50 KHz?
 
 I know it gets harder to sample the higher you go, but what are the 
 advantages of 15 KHz over audio frequencies, and is not 20 or 50 KHz
 possible? What about 10KHz?
 
 Just what drives the choice of 15 KHz?
 
 Brett
 N2DTS
 
  
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] K2

2007-10-15 Thread Don Wilhelm

RC,

While the Elecraft W1 is a good instrument and has LEDs to indicate the 
level, I believe the steps between the illumination of each progressive 
LED are too large to substitute for an analog meter.


If your DMM has a pseudo-analog bar display, you could use that in 
conjunction with an RF Probe to indicate small changes in the RF 
output.  Of course a real analog device, the old swinging meter needle 
will usually be easier to see a peak than most digital instruments.


73,
Don W3FPR

bob conley wrote:

Transmitter Alignment Step three states: Enter tune
mode and adjust L3 and L4 for maximum power as
indicated on the internal watt-meter. (Use a more
sensitive analog instrument if available.) Limit
tune-up time to 5 to 10 seconds.
My Question: Is the Elecraft WM1 Watt Meter suitable
for this task? The Rev F Manual makes no notification
of its use most likely because it was not available at
the time.
RC kc5wa 

  

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 question

2007-10-15 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
If you order the KXV3, I think you can go down to somewhere below 10mW


On 15/10/07 18:12, Ian J Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 rattray wrote:
 If one orders the K3, 100 watt version, will this also do QRP? - I'm just
 starting to look into the K3 - tnx  73 - Bruce.
 
 72/73 - Bruce ve5rc/ve5qrp - QRP-C#1, QRP-L#886, A1 Operator
 QRP-Canada - http://www.qrp-canada.com
  
 
 
   
 Should go all the way down to 200mW Bruce :-)
 
 Ian

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[Elecraft] ANNOUNCEMENT: QRP-ARCI FALL QSO PARTY

2007-10-15 Thread Jeff Hetherington
Hi Everybody.

This coming weekend is the big one on the QRP-ARCI
Contest Calendar.  The Fall QSO Party will bring
entrants from across North America and there are
always DX that check in as well.

There is a team competition for up to 5 participants
to combine their scores for a separate challenge.

The full rules are below:

QRP-ARCI Fall QSO Party

Date/Time:

1200Z on 20 October 2007 through 2400Z on 21 October
2007.
You may work a maximum of 24 hours of the 36 hour
period.

Mode:

HF CW only.

Exchange:

Members send: RST, State/Province/Country, ARCI member
number
Non-Members send: RST, State/Province/Country, Power
Out

QSO Points:

Member = 5 points
Non-Member, Different Continent = 4 points
Non-Member, Same Continent = 2 points

Multiplier:

SPC (State/Province/Country) total for all bands. The
same station
may be worked on multiple bands for QSO points and SPC
credit.

Power Multiplier:

5 Watts = x1
1 - 5 Watts = x7
250 mW - 1 Watt = x10
55 mW - 250 mW = x15
55 mW or less = x20

Suggested Frequencies:

160m 1810 kHz
80m 3560 kHz
40m 7030 kHz (please listen at 7040 kHz for rock bound
participants)
20m 14060 kHz
15m 21060 kHz
10m 28060 kHz

Score:

Final Score = Points (total for all bands) x SPCs
(total for all
bands) x Power Multiplier.

Teams:

You may enter as a team with an unlimited number of
operators as long
as no more than 5 transmitters are on the air
concurrently. You
compete individually as well as on the team. Teams
need not be in the
same location. Team captains must send a list of
members to the
Contest Manager before the contest.

Categories:

Entry may be All-Band, Single Band, High Bands
(10m-15m-20m) or Low
Bands (40m-80m)

How to Participate:

Get on any of the HF bands except the WARC bands and
hang out near
the QRP frequencies. Work as many stations calling CQ
QRP or CQ TEST
as possible, or call CQ QRP or CQ TEST yourself! You
can work a
station for credit once on each band.

Email Log Submission:

Submit Logs in plain text format along with a summary
stating your
Callsign, Entry Category, Actual Power and Station
Description along
with score calculation to [EMAIL PROTECTED] email address is
being protected from spam bots, you need Javascript
enabled to view
it on or before 23 November 2007.

Snail mail Log Submission:

Submit Logs along with a summary stating your
Callsign, Entry
Category, Actual Power and Station Description along
with score
calculation to:

ARCI Fall QSO Party
c/o Jeff Hetherington, VA3JFF
139 Elizabeth St. W.
Welland, Ontario
Canada L3C 4M3


Entries must be postmarked on or before 23 November
2007.

Results:

Will be published in QRP Quarterly and shown on the
QRP-ARCI website.

Certificates:

Will be awarded to the top scoring entrant in each
category.
Certificates may be awarded for 2nd and 3rd place if
entries are
sufficient in a category.

Good Luck!
73/72
Jeff - VA3JFF / VE3CW


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[Elecraft] Resolution: KPA Error 080

2007-10-15 Thread Joe Hetrick

Hey List,
	For completeness I thought I'd post the final on my earlier problem  
with my KPA/K2.


The cause seems to have been something like this:

Storms in the area, I unhook everything religiously, only I forgot  
PC--K2 serial, which went through a USB--Serial dongle.


I return to shack sometime later to discover the K2 is unhappy with  
080 error.  Further investigation reveals that if I remove the KPA

K2 is happy and runs at 15w without fault.

Post to the list wherein I'm given tips by W3FPR and many others.
Ultimately solution is to replace KPA MCU.

Several mails were exchanged with Gary @ Elecraft to ensure that I  
had all the potential fault parts coming (by this time I realized I  
had cooked things via the PC remaining connected to the rig).


The end failures seemed to have been the MAX1406 and the KPA MCU.   
Replacement of both of these brought everything back happily, and  
happily no damage to the KAT that was also connected.  I'm pleased  
that I didn't have to go too far, but, the N0SS guide (directed to me  
by Gary) for troubleshooting the use of the wrong serial cable was  
helpful in tracing the circuit back, as well as the following  
provided by Don:


An easy way to check things on the K2 side of the MAX 1406 chip is  
to plug the KPA100 ribbon cable into the K2 and check for continuity  
between KPA100 U4 pin 12 and K2 Control board U6 pin 25 - also check  
the RXD path KPA100 U4 pin 11 to K2 CB U6 pin 26.  Both these paths  
must show low resistance for the computer port to work.


Oddly, on the PC side; no faults seem to exist (the machine didn't  
even crash or reboot) save the loss of 1 USB port, and the USB-- 
Serial dongle.


My post is mostly to give some praise to the folks that took some  
time to help me out, and, to end up in the archives so that others  
may benefit.


Gary and Don, thanks a lot guys.  Your help was greatly appreciated.   
Sorry this is so long in coming.


73,

Joe  KC0VKN
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[Elecraft] FM Filter Specs?

2007-10-15 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

Has anyone seen authoritative specifications on the FM bandwidth 
filter for the K3?  Are curves posted anywhere?  If curves aren't 
available what are the insertion loss, -3, -6, and -60 dB bandwidth
numbers? 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 

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[Elecraft] K3: power supply for K3/100? solid suggestions?

2007-10-15 Thread Brian Pepperdine

Simply put. For thhose of us getting a K3 with a 100 watt option.

What power supply to get? Let's not beat about the bush.. suitable p/s with 
the amperage required.


I see a lot of reviews etc. and negatives on some etc. I just want a good 
supply, no hum, no trouble, no issues.
I will say I see Astron seems to go from 20 amp to 35 amps with not anything 
between (at least from the local ham joint), so it might be necessary (?) to 
have a few extra amperes on hand, as Elecraft seems to suggest 13.8v with 25 
amps and no lag?
(not trying to stack any particular maker, just thought those of us who will 
need a p/s will want to get on that task solidly with no confusion as we 
await K3 arrival).


Tnx

Brien
VE3VAW
Toronto


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[Elecraft] K160RX WANTED

2007-10-15 Thread BYRON ALLEN
ANYBODY GOT A K160RX FOR SALE

BYRON / N4AX
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[Elecraft] [K3] - how option loaded can it get?

2007-10-15 Thread David F. Reed

I am looking at ordering a K3, and I have begun wondering...

Just how loaded with options can it get?

I will try to illustrate what I mean:

First let us assume no sub-receiver...

  1. Roofing filters - how many can you install?
 Can you get in all the 7 and 8 pole ones?

 Then, adding the sub receiver:

  2. Same question for the second receiver; limit on roofing filters?

  3. What of the General Coverage RX filter; if you might be using both
 non-ham band at the moment, can you fit two in there?

  4. What will I need to do for MARS work?

 Is the General Coverage RX filter required?

 What of the spectral purity outside of the ham bands?

  5. TCXO - assuming one had all this stuff (dual RX all the roofing
 filters for each rx, TCXO, the ATU, Transverter interface, USB
 adapter, DVR, and so on...  Will it all fit and play together?  I
 realize this sounds kind of funny, but for example, you cannot fit
 every option at the same time inside a K2, right?  Like the ATU
 and the 100 watt module eat the same space...

Just looking to understand the limits...

Thanks

Dave, W5SV
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] - how option loaded can it get?

2007-10-15 Thread Todd J Gahagan
Good question.  I also would like to be able to clear this up.  I get to the 
order page and my eyes glaze over wondering what filters or other options I 
should get.  Any advice is appreciated.


WA7U


- Original Message - 
From: David F. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Elecraft Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:25 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] - how option loaded can it get?



I am looking at ordering a K3, and I have begun wondering...

Just how loaded with options can it get?

I will try to illustrate what I mean:

First let us assume no sub-receiver...

  1. Roofing filters - how many can you install?
 Can you get in all the 7 and 8 pole ones?

 Then, adding the sub receiver:

  2. Same question for the second receiver; limit on roofing filters?

  3. What of the General Coverage RX filter; if you might be using both
 non-ham band at the moment, can you fit two in there?

  4. What will I need to do for MARS work?

 Is the General Coverage RX filter required?

 What of the spectral purity outside of the ham bands?

  5. TCXO - assuming one had all this stuff (dual RX all the roofing
 filters for each rx, TCXO, the ATU, Transverter interface, USB
 adapter, DVR, and so on...  Will it all fit and play together?  I
 realize this sounds kind of funny, but for example, you cannot fit
 every option at the same time inside a K2, right?  Like the ATU
 and the 100 watt module eat the same space...

Just looking to understand the limits...

Thanks

Dave, W5SV
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: power supply for K3/100? solid suggestions?

2007-10-15 Thread Jeff Stai


hi Brian - you really can't go wrong with an Astron linear supply. Get the 35A and have plenty of 
room to power extra accessories. Get a power strip with fuses and Powerpole connectors and you'll be 
set to go!


73! - jeff wk6i

Brian Pepperdine wrote:

Simply put. For thhose of us getting a K3 with a 100 watt option.

What power supply to get? Let's not beat about the bush.. suitable p/s 
with the amperage required.


I see a lot of reviews etc. and negatives on some etc. I just want a 
good supply, no hum, no trouble, no issues.
I will say I see Astron seems to go from 20 amp to 35 amps with not 
anything between (at least from the local ham joint), so it might be 
necessary (?) to have a few extra amperes on hand, as Elecraft seems to 
suggest 13.8v with 25 amps and no lag?
(not trying to stack any particular maker, just thought those of us who 
will need a p/s will want to get on that task solidly with no confusion 
as we await K3 arrival).


Tnx

Brien
VE3VAW
Toronto


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[Elecraft] WA3WSJ's Place : new website!

2007-10-15 Thread Edward R. Breneiser
Hello all,

I now have a new website called WA3WSJ's Place.
I just started it so it needs more work, but if
you're interested, take look.

p.s. I activated my Polar Bear Page -hi!

http://hstrial-ebreneiser.homestead.com/index.html

72,

Roo Bear Ed, WA3WSJ


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RE: [Elecraft] K3 question

2007-10-15 Thread rattray


Mni tnx Ian - 72 Bruce


72/73 - Bruce ve5rc/ve5qrp - QRP-C#1, QRP-L#886, A1 Operator
QRP-Canada - http://www.qrp-canada.com 
 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Ferrington,
M0XDF
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:08 PM
To: Ian J Maude; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 question


If you order the KXV3, I think you can go down to somewhere below 10mW


On 15/10/07 18:12, Ian J Maude [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 rattray wrote:
 If one orders the K3, 100 watt version, will this also do QRP? - I'm
 just starting to look into the K3 - tnx  73 - Bruce.
 
 72/73 - Bruce ve5rc/ve5qrp - QRP-C#1, QRP-L#886, A1 Operator
 QRP-Canada - http://www.qrp-canada.com
  
 
 
   
 Should go all the way down to 200mW Bruce :-)
 
 Ian

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: power supply for K3/100? solid suggestions?

2007-10-15 Thread Lee Buller


I have had great success with the Astron Switching PS...the SS-30 handles my 
K2/100 and KAT100 with no trouble.  Lightweight too.  I do not like the 
connector on the back.  It is a compression screw arrangement and not binding 
posts.  So, to get a good connection, you have to have a good flat screw driver 
with a large handle to get enough torque to get a good connection.  But, it is 
very light and works like a champ.  We tried to kill the station on FD and 
could not do it.  We had over 1100 Qs on FD running the station with the SS-30. 
 

Lee - K0WA



In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply.  If you don't 
have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it.  If you can't find 
any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense.  Is 
Common Sense divine?
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] - how option loaded can it get?

2007-10-15 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
How loaded do you want it, how much can you afford?

1.
5 per receiver, but I doubt you'd ever use all five, especially as in the
future there should be variable width filters.
The question of what to put in depends upon what you want to do. There are
lots of past posts on this in the archives and some stuff in the FAQ.
Don't forget, these are roofing filters, they control what the front end of
the receiver see's, not what you get to hear - ok, they can help a lot to
stop interference from very strong signals - but even with the standard 2.7
you should be good to start with.

2.
Same as main receiver

3. can you fit two in where?

4. I don't know the answer to that.

5. Yes of course - this is Elecraft we're talking about -plus its all
manufactured by the same company (or for the same company)

Basics then - up to 5 ROOFING filters per receiver, plus all the other bits
- no limits other than no more than 5 roofing filters per receiver.


If you're not sure, start with basic K3 or K3/100 and add slowly - your in
the US, postage and carriage is not an issue.


On 15/10/07 21:25, David F. Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 I am looking at ordering a K3, and I have begun wondering...
 
 Just how loaded with options can it get?
 
 I will try to illustrate what I mean:
 
 First let us assume no sub-receiver...
 
1. Roofing filters - how many can you install?
   Can you get in all the 7 and 8 pole ones?
 
   Then, adding the sub receiver:
 
2. Same question for the second receiver; limit on roofing filters?
 
3. What of the General Coverage RX filter; if you might be using both
   non-ham band at the moment, can you fit two in there?
 
4. What will I need to do for MARS work?
 
   Is the General Coverage RX filter required?
 
   What of the spectral purity outside of the ham bands?
 
5. TCXO - assuming one had all this stuff (dual RX all the roofing
   filters for each rx, TCXO, the ATU, Transverter interface, USB
   adapter, DVR, and so on...  Will it all fit and play together?  I
   realize this sounds kind of funny, but for example, you cannot fit
   every option at the same time inside a K2, right?  Like the ATU
   and the 100 watt module eat the same space...
 
 Just looking to understand the limits...
 
 Thanks
 
 Dave, W5SV
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[Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

2007-10-15 Thread Rob Lundahl
Any recommendations for a low cost Iambic cw key?

NV7F
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Re: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

2007-10-15 Thread Ken Kopp

My vote is for the Bencher ... I've owned several and have one now.
I also have a Elecraft/Bencher HexKey ... very fine, too

And, there's also a Begali . my next one.

73 Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: power supply for K3/100? solid suggestions?

2007-10-15 Thread Greg Beat
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From: Brian Pepperdine [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:37 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: power supply for K3/100? solid suggestions?



Simply put. For thhose of us getting a K3 with a 100 watt option.

What power supply to get? Let's not beat about the bush.. suitable p/s 
with the amperage required.

[snip]
Tnx

Brian
VE3VAW
Toronto




Brian -

I have an Astron RS-35M for my main rig position.
The Elecraft K3 will repalce the Kewnood TS-440SAT that is currently there.
I just wired up a cable set for the K3 (30 A Anderson power poles) to the 
Astron -- since I alrady had a 6-pin Molex conenctor wired up for my Icoma 
nd Kenwood radios.


I do have an Astron SS-30M, but it is in my portable box for Field Day, 
etc. operations.


w9gb 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3: power supply for K3/100? solid suggestions?

2007-10-15 Thread Tony Morgan
I also use the Astron SS-30 with good success. I agree that the 
compression screw arrangement is not the greatest.
Here is a neat mod that I did on mine. It takes a little work but hey, 
we're Elecraft guys


http://www.yars.org/kc6uds/AstronSS30PowerPole.html

73,
Tony W7GO

Lee Buller wrote:
I have had great success with the Astron Switching PS...the SS-30 handles my K2/100 and KAT100 with no trouble.  Lightweight too.  I do not like the connector on the back.  It is a compression screw arrangement and not binding posts.  So, to get a good connection, you have to have a good flat screw driver with a large handle to get enough torque to get a good connection.  But, it is very light and works like a champ.  We tried to kill the station on FD and could not do it.  We had over 1100 Qs on FD running the station with the SS-30.  


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: power supply for K3/100? solid suggestions?

2007-10-15 Thread Paul






I have had great success with the Astron Switching PS...the SS-30 
handles my K2/100 and KAT100 with no trouble.  Lightweight too.  I 
do not like the connector on the back.  It is a compression screw 
arrangement and not binding posts.  So, to get a good connection, 
you have to have a good flat screw driver with a large handle to get 
enough torque to get a good connection.  But, it is very light and 
works like a champ.  We tried to kill the station on FD and could 
not do it.  We had over 1100 Qs on FD running the station with the SS-30.


Lee - K0WA


On the SS-30, be sure to take the cover off and tighten the 4 PC 
Board mounting screws.


On two SS-30M's, I found 3 of the 4 screws to be loose even though 
they had the usual drop of paint on them.







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[Elecraft] K2 - DSP - Impressive

2007-10-15 Thread David Wilburn
I have had the DSP for the K2 now for some time.  I have to admit, I got the 
instructions out the first couple times I played with it, but I did not quite 
get it as far as the settings and the menu choices, and just kinda left things 
alone.


Over the intervening weeks, when I would get on SSB to chat with friends  I kept 
tinkering with it, and trying different settings (it didn't really seem to need 
to be fiddled with on CW).  Eventually I had the thing so screwed up, that it 
was more of a hindrance than a help.


So I broke down and printed out a section of the manual (I'm more of a soft copy 
kinda guy, but don't what to start that thread up again) and sat down at the 
radio to try and get the DSP back to all of its default settings.  Now, as it 
turns out, reading through the manual, it is not abundantly obvious (for some of 
us denser folks) how to do this, but when I read a bit, and tinkered a bit, I 
worked through it just fine.  Except for SSB #1 and the LowPass settings, I 
couldn't make that happen.


Once I worked through all of the settings for each filter setup, I learned quite 
a bit.  As many have said before me, this is a VERY impressive DSP.  I did not 
fully understand the capabilities and settings till now.  It is definitely worth 
the investment of time to learn.


I even broke down and read through Lyle's Design Considerations for the KDSP. 
 As always, great stuff.  Thanks again Elecraft.  Not only do you supply great 
equipment, but your documentation gives explanations of how the equipment works, 
thus we become more knowledgeable operators.  Thanks, and great job!


--

David Wilburn
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K2 #5982

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Re: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

2007-10-15 Thread Fred Jensen

Rob Lundahl wrote:

Any recommendations for a low cost Iambic cw key?

NV7F


I have 2 Benchers, I like them.  I also have a Vibroplex single lever 
and I like it, proving that I don't squeeze.  But you said Iambic. 
W4UAT, part of the N6A crew for Alpine County in the CQP that I'm on 
brought his Kent.  I *really* liked it.  Paddles are sort of like jock 
straps ... a very personal thing.  You really have to try them, or be 
willing to buy several different ones until you find the one that fits you.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

2007-10-15 Thread Jeff Kinzli N6GQ
I recently picked up a Begali Simplex. I absolutely love that key.

http://www.i2rtf.com/html/simplex.html

Cost-wise, it's hard to beat, and it's the smoothest key I've ever used.

It's also very nice to look at...

Jeff N6GQ

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 Any recommendations for a low cost Iambic cw key?

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FW: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

2007-10-15 Thread RJD

You never know until you try them.  The K8RA keys at:
 
http://www.k8ra.com/
 
I have one(P-4) and love it.
 
Different sizes for different people.
 
Dick, NJ9K

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 23:31
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

Rob Lundahl wrote:
 Any recommendations for a low cost Iambic cw key?
 
 NV7F

I have 2 Benchers, I like them.  I also have a Vibroplex single lever 
and I like it, proving that I don't squeeze.  But you said Iambic. 
W4UAT, part of the N6A crew for Alpine County in the CQP that I'm on 
brought his Kent.  I *really* liked it.  Paddles are sort of like jock 
straps ... a very personal thing.  You really have to try them, or be 
willing to buy several different ones until you find the one that fits you.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

2007-10-15 Thread Dan KB6NU
I always recommend the Bencher BY-1 as a first paddle. You can find  
them at hamfests and on EBay for $60 or less.


If you can afford $150 - $200, then go for the Begali Simplex, as  
N6GQ recommended. It's a wonderful paddle.


73!

Dan KB6NU
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On Oct 15, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Rob Lundahl wrote:


Any recommendations for a low cost Iambic cw key?

NV7F

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Re: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

2007-10-15 Thread John



Any recommendations for a low cost Iambic cw key?

NV7F
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Low cost is the key word here. If you don't mind building your own 
paddle, these are great, and they work very well.

http://www.w5jh.net/Black_Widow.htm

Here is a picture of the one I built, I've since added the custom 
finger pieces. I figured, why not a kit key to go with the kit radios.

http://00497f5.netsolhost.com/radio/Blackwid01.jpg

John, k7up
2 K2's  a K1. 


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Re: FW: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

2007-10-15 Thread David Wilburn
I thought he said lowcost?  For these prices, I love the HexKey I picked up from 
Elecraft.


David Wilburn
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K4DGW
K2 #5982
FP#-1751


RJD wrote:

You never know until you try them.  The K8RA keys at:
 
http://www.k8ra.com/
 
I have one(P-4) and love it.
 
Different sizes for different people.
 
Dick, NJ9K


 


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On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 23:31
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

Rob Lundahl wrote:

Any recommendations for a low cost Iambic cw key?

NV7F


I have 2 Benchers, I like them.  I also have a Vibroplex single lever 
and I like it, proving that I don't squeeze.  But you said Iambic. 
W4UAT, part of the N6A crew for Alpine County in the CQP that I'm on 
brought his Kent.  I *really* liked it.  Paddles are sort of like jock 
straps ... a very personal thing.  You really have to try them, or be 
willing to buy several different ones until you find the one that fits you.


73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
- www.cqp.org
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Re: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

2007-10-15 Thread Lee Buller

Best Iambic keyer (paddle)?  I don't want to start a fight.. but I find no 
advantage between iambic and non-iambic.  Being a slapper I like my good old 
Vibroplex paddle...and yes, I do have a Bencher too...but I slap that one as 
well.

I've never understood the virtues of iambic paddles.  To messy.  My brain does 
not think that way.

Lee - K0WA  :)




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Re: [Elecraft] CW: Best low cost iambic key?

2007-10-15 Thread John [K7SVV]
My vote would go to the portapaddle key with the base at 
http://americanmorse.com/portapaddle.htm.  I have one and I love it. I also 
have a Brass Racer, BY-1, and a K8RA and I love them too but the portapaddle 
is dear to my heart.


John   [K7SVV]
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Any recommendations for a low cost Iambic cw key?

NV7F
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Wine Update Software

2007-10-15 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr.
For me, the issue isn't finding some Windows laptop to update the K3 
with. That's easy enough.
My concern is that eventually, there will be a need to reload the K3's 
firmware, and the version of Windows it's for might not be there.  Think 
of the timescale of ham radio vs. the timescale of Windows releases.


There are Japanese ham radios from the 1980's which are now bricked 
because config memory settings were lost when the battery went dead.


It's not important right now, but eventually, having an open way to 
reload the firmware will be important.


That's not the same as saying that the firmware itself needs to be open; 
it just should be possible to restore the radio to it's original state 
without having to find a 20 or 30 year old laptop.


The K2 doesn't have this problem because its firmware isn't writable.

73,
Leigh/WA5ZNU
David Wilburn wrote:
A recent thread mentioned update options, but I did not see any new 
news.  Has anyone tried the K3 update software using Wine under Linux?

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