[Elecraft] [K3] firmware update notification

2008-01-11 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Just checking, I see there is a later release of firmware available (1.58),
but didn't see any notification of that on the reflector.
Just wondering if I missed it?
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Re: [Elecraft] NO audio - Remote Ham Radio Deluxe 3.5

2008-01-11 Thread G4ILO


Alan D. Wilcox wrote:
 
 Hello,
 HRD runs fine remotely over my LAN. The host (server) PC is connected 
 (via COM1) to the K3.
 But ...
 Minor detail escapes me: the K3 audio isn't getting to me at the remote
 PC.
 
 Audio output from the K3 goes into the host PC sound card, then comes 
 out to a couple speakers local to the K3. I would assume that the HRD 
 remote server would pickup that audio and ship it out over the LAN to be 
 streamed to my remote PC along with the HRD display. Seeing the radio 
 remotely is nice I suppose, but not much good if I can't hear it!
 
 I'm not too familiar with HRD yet, so I'm sure this is a simple option 
 or setting I'm missing. Didn't see anything in the help file.
 
 Thanks for insight,
 Alan
 
From the HRD server docs: The remote server does not support audio. For
audio (or VOIP) the following options are available: SKYPE – www.skype.com,
MSN Messenger, Audio streaming – for example the Helix Server – Basic from
RealNetworks Inc. – www.realnetworks.com .

There's another option that I tried once because it even supports audio to a
PocketPC client: Microsoft Portrait.
http://research.microsoft.com/mcom/portrait/ .

Also if you download the trial version of the LakeOfSoft VC components for
Delphi, there are precompiled demo programs that can be used to stream audio
between two computers. Perhaps someone should buy Simon a copy so he can
incorporate this into HRD itself. :)

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[Elecraft] K1: Potential new product

2008-01-11 Thread Benny Aumala

This SGC page has links to 3 different reviews about ADSP2
-RadCom   11/03
-QST 01/04
-CQ May/04
I agree that 80mA is much compared to K1`s own 55mA.
Elecraft KDSP2 takes 60mA (10mA in standby) and might not 
go in K1. Maybe an external unit is better. 
It can be left at home with power supply and current consumption.


Experience shows that input level should be from loudspeaker line.
Specs say 10mVrms min input for Lo unit, 100mVrms for Hi unit.



 To have a DSP Noice Reduction and AF-filter
 in K1 you might put this Low Power Board inside K1:

 http://www.sgcworld.com/ADSPProductPage.html

Benny   oh9nb

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] firmware update notification

2008-01-11 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Could I request that a very short notification to the Elecraft reflector
(this one) be made when K3 firmware is updated, please.

Just a short note like

Today we released updated firmware for the K3

would be sufficient. All K3 owners will know to use their update tool to get
it (or know were to look on web) and any info about the upgrade should be in
the release notes (please Elecraft, do ensure info about the upgrade is well
documented in the notes). So there should be no need for a long note about
the update disturbing non K3 owners.


On 11/1/08 10:58, Ed K1EP [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 At 1/11/2008 03:53 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
 Just checking, I see there is a later release of firmware available (1.58),
 but didn't see any notification of that on the reflector.
 Just wondering if I missed it?
 
 At one time, or more accurately, for one release, there was an email
 to a specific K3 owners distribution list.  (It was a distribution
 and notification list, from Elecraft only, not a list for
 discussion.)  Most other times, Eric made an announcement on this
 list.  There is an option in the downloader software to check every 6
 hours.  I don't think that is practical for everyone, but I think
 that the owner's list notification should be reinstated.  Mailing to
 the entire Elecraft list is fine, but it interrupts discussions of
 the latest serial numbers delivered.
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Re: [Elecraft] NO audio - Remote Ham Radio Deluxe 3.5

2008-01-11 Thread Alan D. Wilcox
Thanks, Julian. Simple answer that I didn't see in the doc. Not what I 
wanted to hear tho!


Searched and found IP-Sound at 
http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Radio_Control/

The program was written for just such a situation.

Thanks again,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX
570-321-1516
http://WilcoxEngineering.com
Williamsport, PA 17701 


G4ILO wrote:

Alan D. Wilcox wrote:
  

Hello,
HRD runs fine remotely over my LAN. The host (server) PC is connected 
(via COM1) to the K3.

But ...
Minor detail escapes me: the K3 audio isn't getting to me at the remote
PC.

Audio output from the K3 goes into the host PC sound card, then comes 
out to a couple speakers local to the K3. I would assume that the HRD 
remote server would pickup that audio and ship it out over the LAN to be 
streamed to my remote PC along with the HRD display. Seeing the radio 
remotely is nice I suppose, but not much good if I can't hear it!


I'm not too familiar with HRD yet, so I'm sure this is a simple option 
or setting I'm missing. Didn't see anything in the help file.


Thanks for insight,
Alan



From the HRD server docs: The remote server does not support audio. For
audio (or VOIP) the following options are available: SKYPE – www.skype.com,
MSN Messenger, Audio streaming – for example the Helix Server – Basic from
RealNetworks Inc. – www.realnetworks.com .

There's another option that I tried once because it even supports audio to a
PocketPC client: Microsoft Portrait.
http://research.microsoft.com/mcom/portrait/ .

Also if you download the trial version of the LakeOfSoft VC components for
Delphi, there are precompiled demo programs that can be used to stream audio
between two computers. Perhaps someone should buy Simon a copy so he can
incorporate this into HRD itself. :)

-
Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf
  


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Re: [Elecraft] K1: Potential new product

2008-01-11 Thread Lyle Johnson
If a really low power DSP could be made for the K1 and/or KX1 - say, one 
that consumes 10 to 15 mA from a nominal 6V supply, less from a higher 
voltage - which features would you be seeking?


Selectable bandpass filters?  Auonotch?  Denoiser?

Which would you be wiling to give up?

No, there is no project like this in the works, but I tend to think 
about DSP...


Thanks!

Lyle KK7P

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K1: Potential new product

2008-01-11 Thread Don Wilhelm
The inclusion of the KX1 in this discussion is getting very close to 
saying that a small DSP unit should be created as an external option.  
There is just not room in the KX1 to add much of anything (unless the 
internal battery space is sacrificed. But then Lyle has created magic 
before, so he may be able to put one in if it has really tiny SMD 
technology.


A small DSP board should easily be feasible inside the K1.

I don't have a metro, but leather seats are really nice. :-)

73,
Don W3FPR

John Harper wrote:

If a really low power DSP could be made for the K1 and/or KX1 - say, one
that consumes 10 to 15 mA from a nominal 6V supply, less from a higher
voltage - which features would you be seeking?


I have both of those rigs and like them a lot but don't really think 
either
are DSP-worthy, given how and where the rigs were designed to be used. 
The

bandwidth controls on them are perfectly matched to the rig's other
capabilities. Adding DSP to them would be sort of like buying 3rd party
leather seats for a Geo Metro.



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Re: [Elecraft] NO audio - Remote Ham Radio Deluxe 3.5

2008-01-11 Thread G4ILO


Alan D. Wilcox wrote:
 
 Thanks, Julian. Simple answer that I didn't see in the doc. Not what I 
 wanted to hear tho!
 
 Searched and found IP-Sound at 
 http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Radio_Control/
 The program was written for just such a situation.
 
Someone just sent me a link to that, too.
http://xoomer.alice.it/ham-radio-manuals/IPS-v0.57a-Finale.zip . I presume
it is the same thing. I haven't tried it, but perhaps someone will find the
link useful.

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[Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20 30m

2008-01-11 Thread Alan D. Wilcox

Hello,
I gave away the feeble old PC I had by my radio equipment and replaced 
it with a newer one ...


Now I have S9+ noise wiping out 20 and 30 meters.

Using same keyboard, mouse, monitor; just the PC in a new case. 
Evidently it has a
noisy switcher supply in it. Tried 110V in-line filter, also different 
110V house circuit,
but still have noise. Grounds don't help. Don't happen to have a box of 
toroids for chokes.


I've got an old PC supply or two in the junk box, but hoping something 
else might fix.


Any thoughts on an easy fix?

Thanks,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX
570-321-1516
http://WilcoxEngineering.com
Williamsport, PA 17701 


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[Elecraft] firmware download issue

2008-01-11 Thread Van W1WCG

Greetings all, and FWIW:

Downloaded the new K3 firmware utility v 1.1.1.7 and installed it, and then 
started a firmware download for the new K3 firmware 1.58/1.48 by clicking on 
Send all new firmware to K3.  The MCU firmware downloaded OK; the DSP 
download ran until three bars showed in the progress indicator, and then 
Windows XP blue-screened, leaving the K3 disabled with a DSP error.  I tried 
this several times and got the same result at about the same point in the 
download.  Then I tried lowering the baud rate of the K3's serial port from 
38400 to 9600, and was able to get the DSP firmware loaded, though it took a 
long time.  Don't know what changed, but I've done several firmware 
downloads previously at 38400 and never had a problem.  No other 
hardware/software changes have been done on the PC for some time.  Wonder if 
anybody else has experienced something like this with the new version of the 
K3 utility?  I also notice that while the download is running, the K3 
display repeats new K3 utility required over and over, but often sending 
only a few characters and then starting over again.  Don't know if this is 
significant, but..


73, Van W1WCG

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From: John Hoaglun [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] XV222 tune-up issues Solved


I figured out my tune-up issue. After some pondering, checking that all of 
the pieces were in the right spot and looking at the data about the test 
points in the back of the book I figured out that I needed to tweak R39. 
Once I did that I started getting RF output and then the rest of the tune 
started working MUCH better. R39 need to be adjusted higher than the 20mv @ 
TP5 that is listed in the book.  That was the magic for me.


I will be wiring it up tonight into the station so that I can try to get 
it tested on the air tomorrow night.


We are a little over a week from the Jan VHF contest and I am still 
building things.


73

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[Elecraft] Re: K1: Potential new product

2008-01-11 Thread John Harper

If a really low power DSP could be made for the K1 and/or KX1 - say, one
that consumes 10 to 15 mA from a nominal 6V supply, less from a higher
voltage - which features would you be seeking?


I have both of those rigs and like them a lot but don't really think either
are DSP-worthy, given how and where the rigs were designed to be used. The
bandwidth controls on them are perfectly matched to the rig's other
capabilities. Adding DSP to them would be sort of like buying 3rd party
leather seats for a Geo Metro.

John Harper AE5X
http://www.ae5x.com


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Re: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20 30m

2008-01-11 Thread G4ILO


Alan D. Wilcox wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I gave away the feeble old PC I had by my radio equipment and replaced 
 it with a newer one ...
 
 Now I have S9+ noise wiping out 20 and 30 meters.
 
 Using same keyboard, mouse, monitor; just the PC in a new case. 
 Evidently it has a
 noisy switcher supply in it. Tried 110V in-line filter, also different 
 110V house circuit,
 but still have noise. Grounds don't help. Don't happen to have a box of 
 toroids for chokes.
 
It's very likely to be the power supply, especially if it is a home build or
a local PC store build rather than a branded model. Most of the PC cases and
power supplies that home builders and small assemblers use are made in
China, and the manufacturers often leave out all the components they can get
away with, like anything to do with interference suppression. I remember
someone a few years ago took apart a noisy power supply and could see all
the holes in the PC board where the suppression components should have been.
It was quite an eye opener.

Replace it with a power supply from a decent manufacturer and all should be
OK.

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Re: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20 30m

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Childers, N5GE
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:03:27 -0500, W3DVX wrote:

Hello,
I gave away the feeble old PC I had by my radio equipment and replaced 
it with a newer one ...

Now I have S9+ noise wiping out 20 and 30 meters.

Using same keyboard, mouse, monitor; just the PC in a new case. 
Evidently it has a
noisy switcher supply in it. Tried 110V in-line filter, also different 
110V house circuit,
but still have noise. Grounds don't help. Don't happen to have a box of 
toroids for chokes.

I've got an old PC supply or two in the junk box, but hoping something 
else might fix.


Does anyone have a sample recording of a switching power supply noise they could
post somewhere?

I don't use a switching power supply for running the rigs here, but I'm using a
new style dual core power supply in my computer.  Trouble is I don't know what
the switching noise sounds like.

Thanks,

Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] firmware update notification

2008-01-11 Thread David Yarnes


- Original Message - 
From: David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] firmware update notification



Could I request that a very short notification to the Elecraft reflector
(this one) be made when K3 firmware is updated, please.

Just a short note like

Today we released updated firmware for the K3

would be sufficient. All K3 owners will know to use their update tool to 
get
it (or know were to look on web) and any info about the upgrade should be 
in
the release notes (please Elecraft, do ensure info about the upgrade is 
well

documented in the notes). So there should be no need for a long note about
the update disturbing non K3 owners.




I agree with David on this.  While I think it is admirable to maintain a 
separate mailing list for K3 owners, I think it is highly possible for some 
folks to slip through the crack--at least temporarily.  All of us should be 
monitoring the reflector, and I think it is much more efficient to give just 
a short notice here.  If you want to do both, that's fine too.  Of course, 
we can also keep checking the firware section on the website, but that 
involves a lot of trips there with no results.  Besides, just because you 
don't have your K3 yet doesn't mean you aren't interesting in knowing what's 
happening with the firmware.  I would think the announcement, along with a 
brief description of its content, would be not only appropriate, but 
appreciated by most folks on the list.  If not, there is always the delete 
key.


Dave W7AQK

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Re: [Elecraft] Have Cash....Will Buy...K3

2008-01-11 Thread Thom LaCosta

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, fraz1 wrote:


Any configuration


So how much above list price are you willing to pay? 10%, 20%, 50%, 75%, 100%


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[Elecraft] Computer noise in audio with K3 and Microkeyer

2008-01-11 Thread K4IA

I found I had a noise problem on the audio  input when running through the 
MicroHam Microkeyer.  I could hear it on the  monitor.  The noise would go away 
when I unplugged the USB cable but come  back in a second or two after I 
plugged the USB cable back in.  I solved  the problem by running the K3 at 
38400 
baud instead of 4800 baud.  At the  higher speed the noise went away.

Just another anecdote for the  archives.

k4ia
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] firmware update notification

2008-01-11 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
But as we were saying, running the auto-check involves having the program
running all the time, and I have about 100 processes running on my Mac as it
is.
A short note just means we don't have to check all the time.


On 11/1/08 16:05, Bruce Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:

 Or you can use the auto-check facility which is a part of the K3
 Utiility.
 
 Bruce, NM5B
 
 
 Just a short note like
 
 Today we released updated firmware for the K3
 
 would be sufficient. All ...
 
 

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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] firmware update notification

2008-01-11 Thread Ken Kopp

Autocheck?  There ARE still some who are dial-up only. (:-))

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] NO audio - Remote Ham Radio Deluxe 3.5

2008-01-11 Thread Alan D. Wilcox

SOLUTION:
Loaded IP-Sound v0.57a (newest I could find) and it's running perfectly. 
(Listening to CHU at 7335 at the moment.)


I really like the K3's pseudo-stereo feature, so I'm doing the PCM 8kHz 
stereo codec. It reports using about 33 kB/s bandwidth on the LAN (which 
is wireless down to the radio).


Still yet to do: figure out HRD and how to do CW and PSK31 remotely.

http://xoomer.alice.it/ham-radio-manuals/IPS-v0.57a-Finale.zip is the 
IP-Sound that I used.


Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX
570-321-1516
http://WilcoxEngineering.com
Williamsport, PA 17701 



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Alan,

I'm in EXACTLY the same situation as you are.  HRD is FB on my laptop via my LAN, but no audio is available. 

If you get skype or some other audio program to work for you, I'd really appreciate hearing from you about how you got it to work via your LAN. I tried my best to get that done a few months ago, but finally decided I was wasting too much time in a fruitless effort even with some other hams who tried to help. 


Thanks es 73,

Steve Banks
K0PQ
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From: Alan D. Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:35:32 
To:elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net

Subject: [Elecraft] NO audio - Remote Ham Radio Deluxe 3.5


Hello,
HRD runs fine remotely over my LAN. The host (server) PC is connected 
(via COM1) to the K3.

But ...
Minor detail escapes me: the K3 audio isn't getting to me at the remote PC.

Audio output from the K3 goes into the host PC sound card, then comes 
out to a couple speakers local to the K3. I would assume that the HRD 
remote server would pickup that audio and ship it out over the LAN to be 
streamed to my remote PC along with the HRD display. Seeing the radio 
remotely is nice I suppose, but not much good if I can't hear it!


I'm not too familiar with HRD yet, so I'm sure this is a simple option 
or setting I'm missing. Didn't see anything in the help file.


Thanks for insight,
Alan

  


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RE: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20 30m

2008-01-11 Thread N2TK
 I have had good luck replacing RF noisy PC power supplies with PC Power 
Cooling Supplies. They seem to be well filtered.
http://www.pcpower.com/index.html

By the way, something I did in my shack that significantly reduced noise
pickup:
- Any coax line that has to do with receiving I use 100% shielded RG6 with a
compression type F-connector. Where I didn't change to an F- female jack, I
use an F-adapter to PL-259 or 1/4 phono.
- Any coax line that has to do with transmitting I use 100% shielded
Buryflex. 

It was amazing how much noise pickup dropped by getting rid of RG-213, RG-8X
and RG-58 in the shack.

N2TK, Tony

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill W5WVO
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:58 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20  30m

One thing to be aware of -- and I too have had quite a bit of undesired 
experience in this area -- hash from switching power supplies in computers
is 
typically common mode noise, not differential noise. Consequently, a 
differential line filter often won't knock it down very much, if at all.
What 
you need is ferrite toroids -- big ones -- around and through which you wind

the power cord. In my case, the computer power supply is a 470W job in an
ATX 
form factor, and because of the high power components, there wasn't any room

in the PS case for filtering! So the RF noise from this PS was horrendous.
It 
took TWO large ferrite donuts in series, with the ENTIRE power cord wound 
around them, to suppress the noise on 6M. I had bought a rather expensive 
differential noise filter for the line, and it did absolutely nothing. 
Brute-force common-mode filtering using ferrite toroids will usually cure
the 
problem, but you may need a lot more saturability than you think.

Bill W5WVO


G4ILO wrote:
 Alan D. Wilcox wrote:

 Hello,
 I gave away the feeble old PC I had by my radio equipment and
 replaced it with a newer one ...

 Now I have S9+ noise wiping out 20 and 30 meters.

 Using same keyboard, mouse, monitor; just the PC in a new case.
 Evidently it has a
 noisy switcher supply in it. Tried 110V in-line filter, also
 different 110V house circuit,
 but still have noise. Grounds don't help. Don't happen to have a box
 of toroids for chokes.

 It's very likely to be the power supply, especially if it is a home
 build or a local PC store build rather than a branded model. Most of
 the PC cases and power supplies that home builders and small
 assemblers use are made in China, and the manufacturers often leave
 out all the components they can get away with, like anything to do
 with interference suppression. I remember someone a few years ago
 took apart a noisy power supply and could see all the holes in the PC
 board where the suppression components should have been. It was quite
 an eye opener.

 Replace it with a power supply from a decent manufacturer and all
 should be OK.

 -
 Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
 Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf 

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Re: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20 30m

2008-01-11 Thread Ed Gray W0SD
I realize this is not a specific Elecraft topic but it is in response to 
a request and it is on a radio subject.  It would be interesting on 
reports on what the K3 noise blankers do on this type of noise.


First of all I am no engineer but I have had some experience with this 
problem.


I got the top of the line Carcom line filter based on suggestions on the 
160 reflector and installed it right to the PC with about 1 inch of line 
cord and I put ferrite on that 1 inch.  I knocked the noise down a 
bunch,  I have to do some testing on a dead band to see if it is all 
gone but it made a huge improvement.  I have to suspect your AC line 
filter is not a very good one OR the case is leaking.  I say this 
because using the AC line filter seems to be the common cure that works. 
 Fortunately my case was metal but on a lot of the new computers there 
is a lot of the case that is plastic.   For me the problem was the worst 
on 160 meters.  From my tests the noise was coming in over the antenna


I was going to switch computer power supplies but my old ones did not 
provide the extra voltage line that most of the newer supplies do and 
that my mother board required.  If I remember correctly the extra line 
had to do with the dual processor.  It is kind of a catch 22 as the 
newer supplies that plug into the newer computers just are not built 
like they were for filtering.  I am hoping someone can suggest a power 
supply that work with the newer computers that can be bought from places 
like Tiger direct etc. that is well built and quiet.  One hates to buy a 
new supply and have the same problem and from what I can tell the odds 
of that happening are pretty high..  One could try and determine the 
noise level on a broadcast receiver and then go to a friendly computer 
shop and try some supplies until you found a quiet one on the broadcast 
receiver.  That might not be all that cheap if you have to try several 
and take up a lot of time.  It seems to me buying one that is of good 
design that others have not had problems with would make the most sense 
if one knew which one to buy. .  Another approach is if someone would 
buy a supply and fix it and then document what supply it was and how 
they fixed it with filtering and toroids it would be a great service as 
this problem is going to be  become very common as us hams update our 
computers.  Actually I suspect they are all built about the same so what 
worked on one would work on all of them.  A good article for one of the 
ham magazine but for now it could be on a web site.


I will be interested in what others say.

Another common problem is birdies from the Router and CAT5E cable.  I am 
digging into that,  here they seem to be on all the bands spread out.  
One can work around them but I want to get rid of them.  Toroids seem to 
be one answer as a lot of routers have this problem.  Again if someone 
knows of a router that is clean that would be an easier fix as some of 
the big toroids are not cheap.  I guess one could buy various routers 
and take them back within the 30 day return period until you found a 
clean one but it sure would save a lot of hams a lot of trouble to know 
of one that is clean.  I would be interested in what others say on this 
subject.


Thanks

Ed W0SD





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RE: [Elecraft] firmware download issue

2008-01-11 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Ouch!

Please visit your USB to Serial adapter manufacturer's driver web site and
see if your USB adapter drivers are out of date.  If you're using the
Elecraft KUSB, the Prolific web site link is in the K3 Utility's Help.  

I've heard a few reports of blue screen problems and all were resolved by
the current Prolific drivers.  The K3 Utility is using just the standard
Win32 Serial I/O API, but sometimes responses don't come back when expected,
and the CancelIo I need to issue is not handled well by some drivers.  This
doesn't show up unless there's some other communications problem.

If you can, I'd be interested in the event log entry that corresponds to
your blue screen event.  The event viewer can be launched from a command
line with eventvwr.  

I'll look again at the code that checks for a new utility version
requirement.  Maybe the end-of-year wraparound exposed a problem.  

Please let us know of bugs like this through [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well.

73 de Dick, K6KR



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Van W1WCG
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 7:35 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] firmware download issue

Greetings all, and FWIW:

Downloaded the new K3 firmware utility v 1.1.1.7 and installed it, and then 
started a firmware download for the new K3 firmware 1.58/1.48 by clicking on

Send all new firmware to K3.  The MCU firmware downloaded OK; the DSP 
download ran until three bars showed in the progress indicator, and then 
Windows XP blue-screened, leaving the K3 disabled with a DSP error.  I tried

this several times and got the same result at about the same point in the 
download.  Then I tried lowering the baud rate of the K3's serial port from 
38400 to 9600, and was able to get the DSP firmware loaded, though it took a

long time.  Don't know what changed, but I've done several firmware 
downloads previously at 38400 and never had a problem.  No other 
hardware/software changes have been done on the PC for some time.  Wonder if

anybody else has experienced something like this with the new version of the

K3 utility?  I also notice that while the download is running, the K3 
display repeats new K3 utility required over and over, but often sending 
only a few characters and then starting over again.  Don't know if this is 
significant, but..

73, Van W1WCG

- Original Message - 
From: John Hoaglun [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Elecraft List elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:10 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] XV222 tune-up issues Solved


I figured out my tune-up issue. After some pondering, checking that all of 
the pieces were in the right spot and looking at the data about the test 
points in the back of the book I figured out that I needed to tweak R39. 
Once I did that I started getting RF output and then the rest of the tune 
started working MUCH better. R39 need to be adjusted higher than the 20mv @

TP5 that is listed in the book.  That was the magic for me.

 I will be wiring it up tonight into the station so that I can try to get 
 it tested on the air tomorrow night.

 We are a little over a week from the Jan VHF contest and I am still 
 building things.

 73

 -- 

 John Hoaglun
 NG0R - EN25
 http://www.hoaglun.com



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RE: [Elecraft] K3 serial cable

2008-01-11 Thread Dick Dievendorff
TX Data, RX Data, and Signal Ground are the only lines required for firmware
loading.

However you may find it useful to also wire DTR and RTS so that computer
logging / keying programs can use these leads for PTT and CW keying.

Details of which pins are what are in the KIO3 section of the K3 Owner's
manual (currently page 18).

I generally would recommend a shielded straight through 9-pin M-F DB-9
serial cable.  All 9 pins wired so that each pin on one end is wired to the
same pin on the other.

Avoid crossover or null modem cables.

73 de Dick, K6KR


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 serial cable

Paul,

Yes, but... it needs a DE9 male on one end, a DE9 female on the other.  
The computer port has a male jack and the K2 has a female jack.  Look at 
the cable construction information in the KIO2 or KPA100 manuals.

You have the pins correct, but the wire you have will not likely provide 
enough isolation - If you do not have the proper 4 conductor shielded 
cable, I would suggest that you use CAT-3 or CAT5 wire which has twisted 
pairs (you need two twisted pairs) to take advantage of the signal 
isolation the twisted pairs will provide - connect one side of a pair to 
pins 3, and the other side of the same pair to pin 5 - a second pair 
connects one side to pin 2, and that pair's return is also connected to 
pin 5.  If the CAT5 or CAT3 cable is shielded, I would connect the drain 
wire to pin 1 at the K2 end only so it acts like a faraday shield - 
caution: pin 1 at the computer end is NOT the shield connection (it is 
carrier detect), if you want to connect a shield at both ends, connect 
it to the DE9 shell at the computer end (see RS-232 pinout for DE9 
connectors)

73,
Don W3FPR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 So the K3 F/F DE-9 serial cable only needs TX, RX, and SG?

 Pins 2, 3, and 5 only...

 Straight through...

 I've got some cable with one twisted pair inside a foil shield with an 
 un-insulated ground wire (I believe it's called the drain) in there 
 too, and it contacts the foil shield full length.  Would that work?

 Should I slip some ferrites (which I already have) over the cable's 
 jacket before soldering the DE-9/F's on?

 73,

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Re: [Elecraft] MCU 1.58 AUTOINF not showing up in menu]

2008-01-11 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft

Hi Mike,

Turn Tech MD menu item to ON to enable this menu item.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
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Subject: [Elecraft] MCU 1.58 AUTOINF not showing up in menu
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:23:12 -0500
From: Mike Penkas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net


Just did the 1.58 update and AUTOINF does not seem to show up in 
either of the Menus.  Am I missing something? 

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Re: [Elecraft] NO audio - Remote Ham Radio Deluxe 3.5

2008-01-11 Thread k8tb
Alan,

 I am using HRD and IP sound for a 6 meter SSB remote base. Only problem
is that the radio is a TS-2000, and the site is screaming for a K3 on 6!

 tom bosscher



 Searched and found IP-Sound at
 http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Radio_Control/
 The program was written for just such a situation.

 Thanks again,
 Alan

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 serial cable

2008-01-11 Thread Don Wilhelm

Paul,

Yes, but... it needs a DE9 male on one end, a DE9 female on the other.  
The computer port has a male jack and the K2 has a female jack.  Look at 
the cable construction information in the KIO2 or KPA100 manuals.


You have the pins correct, but the wire you have will not likely provide 
enough isolation - If you do not have the proper 4 conductor shielded 
cable, I would suggest that you use CAT-3 or CAT5 wire which has twisted 
pairs (you need two twisted pairs) to take advantage of the signal 
isolation the twisted pairs will provide - connect one side of a pair to 
pins 3, and the other side of the same pair to pin 5 - a second pair 
connects one side to pin 2, and that pair's return is also connected to 
pin 5.  If the CAT5 or CAT3 cable is shielded, I would connect the drain 
wire to pin 1 at the K2 end only so it acts like a faraday shield - 
caution: pin 1 at the computer end is NOT the shield connection (it is 
carrier detect), if you want to connect a shield at both ends, connect 
it to the DE9 shell at the computer end (see RS-232 pinout for DE9 
connectors)


73,
Don W3FPR

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



So the K3 F/F DE-9 serial cable only needs TX, RX, and SG?

Pins 2, 3, and 5 only...

Straight through...

I've got some cable with one twisted pair inside a foil shield with an 
un-insulated ground wire (I believe it's called the drain) in there 
too, and it contacts the foil shield full length.  Would that work?


Should I slip some ferrites (which I already have) over the cable's 
jacket before soldering the DE-9/F's on?


73,


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Re: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20 30m

2008-01-11 Thread Alan D. Wilcox

SOLVED!
Just replaced the 400w supply with a 300w that I had in the junk box. 
Both foreign cheap
units, but that's all the local PC shops seem to carry (at least at my 
QTH). The replacement

is nicely quiet ... and a lot easier fix than what I was dreading!

Now that I can hear the radio properly, back to doing the remote audio 
with HRD.


Thanks for the help!
Alan


Alan D. Wilcox wrote:

Hello,
I gave away the feeble old PC I had by my radio equipment and replaced 
it with a newer one ...


Now I have S9+ noise wiping out 20 and 30 meters.

Using same keyboard, mouse, monitor; just the PC in a new case. 
Evidently it has a
noisy switcher supply in it. Tried 110V in-line filter, also different 
110V house circuit,
but still have noise. Grounds don't help. Don't happen to have a box 
of toroids for chokes.


I've got an old PC supply or two in the junk box, but hoping something 
else might fix.


Any thoughts on an easy fix?

Thanks,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX
570-321-1516
http://WilcoxEngineering.com
Williamsport, PA 17701


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[Elecraft] Re: CW-to-RTTY with message buffers: are spaces there?

2008-01-11 Thread Tom Hammond
OK... I was gonna hold off commenting here, but NOW Bill, Rick and 
Vic have weighed in I've gotta do the same... G



K2VCO wrote:
I had quite a bit of a problem *recording* messages because of a 
similar phenomenon. For example, the K3 understands my call as K2 
VCO. The extra space that I send between the 2 and the V is more 
than a letter space (apparently) but less than a word space. The K3 
records it as a word space, so when I play it back it sounds like 
that. When I tried to correct this, I ended up sending less than a 
normal letter space, the K3 did not understand my sending and recorded nothing!


I had SIGNIFICANTLY more problems recording using the original K3 
algorithms than I do now. Now, unless I make a keying error (e.g. 
wrong character, etc.) I can always record a 'clean' message... 
before, I had to make MANY(!) attempts.


Obviously I must be doing something wrong... G

Not sure if a 'real time load' feature could be added without 
significant complication, but that might be the only way to make some 
folks happy.  Of course, we'll NEVER be able to satisfy everyone...


One way to handle this would be to use 1/4 letter space as the 
basic spacing element. Then recording, decoding, and playback would 
be closer to real-time.


Can you 'splain this a bit better Vic? Never heard of this method of 
timing... always worked on the baud method.


Tom



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[Elecraft] K3: CW delay is used when exiting XMIT mode manually

2008-01-11 Thread John [K7SVV]
I do not see the need for using the CW delay time when manually exiting xmit 
mode when I press the XMIT button.  I would expect the rig to return to 
receive mode as soon as the button is pressed.  If I set the CW delay to 
zero, the return is instantaneous.  I admit that I only rarely use the 
manual XMIT mode but I find it distracting when I do.


John[K7SVV] 


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Re: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20 30m

2008-01-11 Thread Bill W5WVO
Great suggestion, Tony! A good way to tell if your RFI is being picked up by 
leaky coax in the shack or by your beam is to rotate the beam. If the noise 
changes amplitude during rotation, then at least some of it is being picked up 
by your antenna, and the only solution is to eliminate the noise at its 
source. This was the case in my situation, where my 6M stacked yagis are 
fairly close to the shack (about 35 ft), but far enough to one side that the 
directivity of the array had an effect.


Bill W5WVO


N2TK wrote:

I have had good luck replacing RF noisy PC power supplies with PC
Power  Cooling Supplies. They seem to be well filtered.
http://www.pcpower.com/index.html

By the way, something I did in my shack that significantly reduced
noise pickup:
- Any coax line that has to do with receiving I use 100% shielded RG6
with a compression type F-connector. Where I didn't change to an F-
female jack, I use an F-adapter to PL-259 or 1/4 phono.
- Any coax line that has to do with transmitting I use 100% shielded
Buryflex.

It was amazing how much noise pickup dropped by getting rid of
RG-213, RG-8X and RG-58 in the shack.

N2TK, Tony

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill W5WVO
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:58 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20  30m

One thing to be aware of -- and I too have had quite a bit of
undesired experience in this area -- hash from switching power
supplies in computers is
typically common mode noise, not differential noise. Consequently, a
differential line filter often won't knock it down very much, if at
all. What
you need is ferrite toroids -- big ones -- around and through which
you wind

the power cord. In my case, the computer power supply is a 470W job
in an ATX
form factor, and because of the high power components, there wasn't
any room

in the PS case for filtering! So the RF noise from this PS was
horrendous. It
took TWO large ferrite donuts in series, with the ENTIRE power cord
wound around them, to suppress the noise on 6M. I had bought a rather
expensive differential noise filter for the line, and it did
absolutely nothing. Brute-force common-mode filtering using ferrite
toroids will usually cure the
problem, but you may need a lot more saturability than you think.

Bill W5WVO


G4ILO wrote:

Alan D. Wilcox wrote:


Hello,
I gave away the feeble old PC I had by my radio equipment and
replaced it with a newer one ...

Now I have S9+ noise wiping out 20 and 30 meters.

Using same keyboard, mouse, monitor; just the PC in a new case.
Evidently it has a
noisy switcher supply in it. Tried 110V in-line filter, also
different 110V house circuit,
but still have noise. Grounds don't help. Don't happen to have a box
of toroids for chokes.


It's very likely to be the power supply, especially if it is a home
build or a local PC store build rather than a branded model. Most of
the PC cases and power supplies that home builders and small
assemblers use are made in China, and the manufacturers often leave
out all the components they can get away with, like anything to do
with interference suppression. I remember someone a few years ago
took apart a noisy power supply and could see all the holes in the PC
board where the suppression components should have been. It was quite
an eye opener.

Replace it with a power supply from a decent manufacturer and all
should be OK.

-
Julian, G4ILO K2 s/n: 392  K3 s/n: ???
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW delay is used when exiting XMIT mode manually

2008-01-11 Thread John [K7SVV]

I should have mentioned that this happens in CW mode and not SSB mode.

John[K7SVV]
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Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CW delay is used when exiting XMIT mode manually


I do not see the need for using the CW delay time when manually exiting 
xmit mode when I press the XMIT button.  I would expect the rig to return 
to receive mode as soon as the button is pressed.  If I set the CW delay to 
zero, the return is instantaneous.  I admit that I only rarely use the 
manual XMIT mode but I find it distracting when I do.


John[K7SVV]
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Re: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20 30m

2008-01-11 Thread Bill W5WVO
Yup. Lower wattage supply uses smaller componets which allows the inclusion of 
filter components (presumably due to more room in chassis space and components 
budget). It's a hypothetical model, as I've never taken one of these big 
boys apart, but I've seen going to a lower-power supply fix this kind of 
noise problem more than once. Of course, don't go to a PS that puts out less 
power than your computer needs.  :-)


I saw in another post in this thread that Antec was said to be a power supply 
one could count on to be less noisy. I think it has a lot more to do with the 
power rating than with the brand. The PS I had that was putting out so much 
noise was an Antec, the biggest one they made. I'm still using it, but it is 
brute-force choked up the yin-yang.


Bill W5WVO


Alan D. Wilcox wrote:

SOLVED!
Just replaced the 400w supply with a 300w that I had in the junk box.
Both foreign cheap
units, but that's all the local PC shops seem to carry (at least at my
QTH). The replacement
is nicely quiet ... and a lot easier fix than what I was dreading!

Now that I can hear the radio properly, back to doing the remote audio
with HRD.

Thanks for the help!
Alan


Alan D. Wilcox wrote:

Hello,
I gave away the feeble old PC I had by my radio equipment and
replaced it with a newer one ...

Now I have S9+ noise wiping out 20 and 30 meters.

Using same keyboard, mouse, monitor; just the PC in a new case.
Evidently it has a
noisy switcher supply in it. Tried 110V in-line filter, also
different 110V house circuit,
but still have noise. Grounds don't help. Don't happen to have a box
of toroids for chokes.

I've got an old PC supply or two in the junk box, but hoping
something else might fix.

Any thoughts on an easy fix?

Thanks,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX
570-321-1516
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: CW delay is used when exiting XMIT mode manually

2008-01-11 Thread Alexandr Kobranov

Hi John,
sorry for question (as not on my table yet) - is this delay in any 
case of CW mode or only when any kind of QSK is active?
I suppose there is PTT mode for CW also and you are right that in such 
case there is no reason for any delay. If you have QSK active, I can 
understand that there is delay also with MOX using (without opinion if 
this is bug or not - simply understand this :-)).

Can you let me know if delay is also in PTT mode?
thanks
lexa, ok1dst


John [K7SVV] napsal(a):

I should have mentioned that this happens in CW mode and not SSB mode.

John[K7SVV]
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Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CW delay is used when exiting XMIT mode manually


I do not see the need for using the CW delay time when manually 
exiting xmit mode when I press the XMIT button.  I would expect the 
rig to return to receive mode as soon as the button is pressed.  If I 
set the CW delay to zero, the return is instantaneous.  I admit that I 
only rarely use the manual XMIT mode but I find it distracting when I do.


John[K7SVV]
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Re: [Elecraft] Have Cash....Will Buy...K3

2008-01-11 Thread David J Windisch

What will it take? 73 Dave N3HE

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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008, fraz1 wrote:


Any configuration


So how much above list price are you willing to pay? 10%, 20%, 50%, 75%, 
100%


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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] firmware update notification

2008-01-11 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Wayne was supposed to post it yesterday to the list. He was tied up on 
other issues and missed this. I just reminded him :-)


73, Eric


David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

Could I request that a very short notification to the Elecraft reflector
(this one) be made when K3 firmware is updated, please.

Just a short note like

Today we released updated firmware for the K3

  

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Re: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20 30m

2008-01-11 Thread Ed Gray W0SD

Summary:
Based on the answers received and spending all morning reading on the 
WEB it appears  PC Power and Cooling,  Startec and Antec at least at the 
higher end have good computer power supplies. One amateur had good 
success curing his problem with a Startech ATX POW450Pro, two reported 
good results with PC Power and Cooling and one with Antec.  Other 
possibility is Enermax but no testimonials.  A lot of the information is 
in regards to a low DB noise level to the ear and delivering the power 
without a voltage drop. and not much on  RFI/EMI information.  The ones 
listed above do speak of RFI/EMI.   Be sure you buy the right power 
supply for your computer.  They are not nearly as standard as they used 
to be.


Thanks for some great input!

Ed W0SD


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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Tilt Stand Bolt Size

2008-01-11 Thread David Pratt

In a recent message WA7CS [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes


What is the bolt/screw size used to connect the tilt stand to the side panels
of a K1?


Look at the manual for the KTS1 stand at
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KTS1_revG.pdf

73
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[Elecraft] New DSP-settings for 100 and 50Hz filters

2008-01-11 Thread Benny Aumala

I loaded new wares 1.58 and 1.48.
From Elecraft page this change was e.g. for 100 and 50Hz
DSP-filters.
My experience is, that both filter outputs were now
considerably attenuated.
Apparently I should install the old ones, which
is not recommended.
Anybody else have noticed a change?

Benny OH9NB

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Re: [Elecraft] Re: K1: Potential new product

2008-01-11 Thread Alan Bloom
John makes a good point.  The K1 and KX1 already have much better
receivers than most QRP rigs.  With those rigs, the ability to make
contacts is limited much more by transmitter power than by receiving
capability.

On the other hand, DSP noise reduction sure does reduce operator fatigue
after hours of contest operation.  I think NR would be the most
important feature, with automatic notch and bandpass filters in the
nice to have category but not as important.

Al N1AL


On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 07:32, John Harper wrote:
 If a really low power DSP could be made for the K1 and/or KX1 - say, one
 that consumes 10 to 15 mA from a nominal 6V supply, less from a higher
 voltage - which features would you be seeking?
 
 I have both of those rigs and like them a lot but don't really think either
 are DSP-worthy, given how and where the rigs were designed to be used. The
 bandwidth controls on them are perfectly matched to the rig's other
 capabilities. Adding DSP to them would be sort of like buying 3rd party
 leather seats for a Geo Metro.
 
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RE: [Elecraft] Computer Noise ruining 20 30m

2008-01-11 Thread Phil Kane
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:20:39 -0500, N2TK wrote:

I have had good luck replacing RF noisy PC power supplies with PC Power 
Cooling Supplies. They seem to be well filtered.

  I use them in all three computers in the house.  No noise
  problems.

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[Elecraft] Re: CW-to-RTTY with message buffers: are spaces there?

2008-01-11 Thread Vic K2VCO

Tom Hammond wrote:

One way to handle this would be to use 1/4 letter space as the basic 
spacing element. Then recording, decoding, and playback would be 
closer to real-time.


Can you 'splain this a bit better Vic? Never heard of this method of 
timing... always worked on the baud method.


First I have to reverse-engineer Wayne's code!

The firmware now listens to the spaces between characters as you send. 
If the space is less than some fixed threshold it assumes that it is a 
letter space; if more, a word space.


When it records what you have sent, it puts in a token that indicates 
either a word space or a letter space is needed. During playback, when 
it comes to a letter-space token it waits for the appropriate time 
(whatever that is);  when it comes to a word-space token it waits longer.


This means that while you are recording, if you wait a little bit past 
the threshold that it uses to decide what size space it is, it will put 
in a word space token. So when I send my call K 2VCO, I get K   2VCO.


My suggestion is that instead of just two possibilities for spacing, 
there should be more. This could be implemented by creating tokens for 
smaller spaces, like 1/4 of a letter space. That would sound almost like 
a real-time recording, in terms of preserving the spacing as sent. But 
even using units of half of a letter space would avoid the difficulty 
that those of us who do not send like tape machines have when recording 
messages!

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Fresno CA
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[Elecraft] New DSP-settings for 100 and 50Hz filters

2008-01-11 Thread Dave G4AON

Benny

If you switch the DSP by tapping 7 while in the filter menu and have 
50 or 100 Hz bandwidth there is quite a change in volume, however if you 
select the new default setting and rotate the width control all the 
settings are the same volume. What seems to happen is that now the 
50/100 Hz bandwidths jump in volume with the original IIR on setting, 
this didn't happen on the earlier software. Any thoughts Lyle?


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80


I loaded new wares 1.58 and 1.48.
From Elecraft page this change was e.g. for 100 and 50Hz
DSP-filters.
My experience is, that both filter outputs were now
considerably attenuated.
Apparently I should install the old ones, which
is not recommended.
Anybody else have noticed a change?

Benny OH9NB
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Re: [Elecraft] K1 Tilt Stand Bolt Size

2008-01-11 Thread WA7CS

Thanks to the list, I've found just the right thumbscrew.

Here is a link to the details:

http://webpages.charter.net/crstrode/k1nuts.htm

http://www.nabble.com/file/p14766469/k1nuts1.jpg 
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[Elecraft] K3, Ham Radio Deluxe, DM780

2008-01-11 Thread Alan D. Wilcox

Hello,

K3 working now with audio and HRD over my LAN. So far, so good, but 
Digital Master 780 won't connect.


Getting same error message whether I'm at the radio end or the remote end:
Start DM780, select to configure radio, use the defaults (localhost, 
7809, ckbox). Error says no connection could be made because the target 
machine actively refused it.


Sometimes I see an error msg saying to be sure the K3 is on (it is) and 
not in memory mode. (What's that?) Perhaps that plays into the 
solution somehow?


Ideas?
Alan

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[Elecraft] OT: Asus Eee PC Ham Radio Users forum

2008-01-11 Thread G4ILO

Following my mention of the Asus Eee PC in a couple of earlier posts several
people have emailed me directly about it and one or two may even have bought
one as a result, so I have set up the Asus Eee PC Ham Radio Users forum to
discuss specifically issues related to using this small Linux based PC for
radio applications.

Link: http://www.zerobeat.net/smf/index.php/board,24.0.html

I am not a Linux expert but hopefully the forum will provide a place to pool
information from all those trying to get radio applications to work on this
computer, though it may be a bit like the blind leading the blind. If any
Linux experts would like to join then their expertise will be especially
welcomed.

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[Elecraft] OT - Patience, Perspective, and a Wandering Mind

2008-01-11 Thread David Wilburn
I joined this list because I was contemplating purchasing a K2.  I 
have since purchased the radio, and had more fun building it than I 
expected.  I now have a great radio that I can fix, that I am proud 
of, and that is considered a standard.  A standard, developed by an 
amazing group of people, and built by their customers.  A standard 
which drew many current users to the list.


Because of the amazing people that populate this list, I stayed, even 
after I had finished the rig.  I marvel at the knowledge and 
discussions and history and experience that is here everyday, waiting 
for me to read.  At that time the list was populated by those who had 
built the rigs, or were going to build them.  They continue to share 
their experiences, their knowledge, their laughs, and their smiles. 
It isn't about them, it is about helping others experience what they have.


If they did not have patience when they started the project, they 
learned about it before they were done.


Many on this list have served their respective countries in admirable 
ways.  Many have experienced life away from family and friends.  A 
life that benefits the greater good.  Many know what it is like to do 
their  part, with little or no news and no idea what the big picture 
is.  They know what it is like to wake up, having been dreaming about 
their family, only to find themselves in the dark, far from home and 
the ones they love.  They do their part, one day at a time, and look 
forward to the time when they will return to home and hearth.


If they did not have patience when they started to serve, they learned 
about it before it was over.


My youngest son had the opportunity to attend a local public 
kindergarten.  Many of the students had special needs.  My son is used 
to this as my wife was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis while I was 
deployed for Desert Shield, and Desert Storm with the USAF.  We have 
been married 21 years, and dealing with the disease for 16 years.  She 
is now in a wheelchair.  Thus, it was I that drove my son to school 
each day. Each day I had a chance to witness young children getting 
off of handicapped buses.  They used wheelchairs and walkers.  They 
did not know what life had in store for them, but they came through 
those doors in the morning with big smiles on their faces.  Happy to 
once again be with their friends and to learn new things.


These young people had patience in bulk.

I learned about the K3, a few days after it was announced.  I was not 
following the list as closely then.  The radio was announced on the 
27th of April, and my father passed away on the 28th.  He had a great 
day. Many friends and family had a chance to visit, he was lively and 
enjoyed the day.  He passed that night in his sleep.  My parents had 
been married 64 years, and my mom is now in her early 80s and dealing 
with a world from a new perspective.  As am I.


On what would have been my father's 84 birthday, Nov. 11, 2007 (I was 
12 years old before I found out they were not putting the flags out 
for his birthday), I ordered my K3.


On January 28, 2008, my 47th birthday, my oldest son leaves for USMC 
boot camp, at Parris Island.  He will learn a thing or two about 
patience.  Semper Fi


My point, as others have made, is to keep perspective.  Learn 
something new everyday, share it with others that they may learn.  Let 
those that count, know you care. Leave the world a little better as a 
result.


Take care, and have a great day. 73
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Re: [Elecraft] Re: CW-to-RTTY with message buffers: are spaces there?

2008-01-11 Thread T. David Yarnes
I missed some of this discussion, so I may be off track 
here.  But I think I know what Vic means.  Some message 
memories record in real time--you leave a long space, and it 
shows up in your memory the same way.  But the K3 seems to 
be tied to a rather precise gap between letters or words.


Actually, this kind of method will help point out flaws in 
the way a person sends.  Some time back I was trying to 
record a CQ message in a keyer memory, and I discovered I 
had developed a tendency to leave a bit too much space 
between my next-to-last call letter and the last letter.  I 
was sending W7AQK as W7AQ K.  I probably did it for 
years!  It was also possibly one of the reasons so many 
people came back to me as W7AQ, thinking I had sent the 
K as an invitation to transmit.   In contests, etc., 
they weren't even waiting for the second K at the end. 
Now that I've been paying more intention (and it hasn't been 
easy getting out of that habit), I don't seem to get as many 
incorrect responses.


The message buffers in the K3 are pretty large, so they make 
a pretty good recording device for recording yourself and 
checking on your sending technique.  I know this method is 
kind of a pain in the butt for a lot of us, but I really 
like it if my messages come out like machine code.  I'm not 
sure other methods would do this as effectively.


Another thing I've been playing with a bit is sending CW and 
letting the K3 convert it to RTTY.  If you don't move right 
along, with proper spacing, you get a bunch of extra garbage 
between characters.  Being able to send RTTY without a 
computer is sort of a gee whiz feature, but it's been fun 
playing with it.


Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Tom Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:12 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Re: CW-to-RTTY with message buffers: are 
spaces there?




Tom Hammond wrote:

One way to handle this would be to use 1/4 letter 
space as the basic spacing element. Then recording, 
decoding, and playback would be closer to real-time.


Can you 'splain this a bit better Vic? Never heard of 
this method of timing... always worked on the baud 
method.


First I have to reverse-engineer Wayne's code!

The firmware now listens to the spaces between characters 
as you send. If the space is less than some fixed 
threshold it assumes that it is a letter space; if more, a 
word space.


When it records what you have sent, it puts in a token 
that indicates either a word space or a letter space is 
needed. During playback, when it comes to a letter-space 
token it waits for the appropriate time (whatever that 
is);  when it comes to a word-space token it waits longer.


This means that while you are recording, if you wait a 
little bit past the threshold that it uses to decide what 
size space it is, it will put in a word space token. So 
when I send my call K 2VCO, I get K   2VCO.


My suggestion is that instead of just two possibilities 
for spacing, there should be more. This could be 
implemented by creating tokens for smaller spaces, like 
1/4 of a letter space. That would sound almost like a 
real-time recording, in terms of preserving the spacing as 
sent. But even using units of half of a letter space would 
avoid the difficulty that those of us who do not send like 
tape machines have when recording messages!

--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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RE: [Elecraft] K1: Potential new product

2008-01-11 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 If a really low power DSP could be made for the K1 and/or KX1 
 - say, one that consumes 10 to 15 mA from a nominal 6V supply, 
 less from a higher voltage - which features would you be seeking?
 
 Selectable bandpass filters?  Auonotch?  Denoiser?

From a theoretical point of view, denoiser and bandpass filters. 
Autonotch is of limited value with CW and these are CW radios. 

 Which would you be wiling to give up?

The give up is probably absolute minimum power consumption. 

From a practical point of view, giving up some degree of 
flexibility - perhaps a limited number of bandpass filters 
and a fixed (in set-up) center frequency - would probably 
be acceptable.  With DSP it might also be reasonable to give 
up some degree of performance (ultimate rejection) in the 
crystal filters as they would be similar in function to the 
roofing filter in the K3. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lyle Johnson
 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:33 AM
 To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1: Potential new product
 
 
 If a really low power DSP could be made for the K1 and/or KX1 
 - say, one 
 that consumes 10 to 15 mA from a nominal 6V supply, less from 
 a higher 
 voltage - which features would you be seeking?
 
 Selectable bandpass filters?  Auonotch?  Denoiser?
 
 Which would you be wiling to give up?
 
 No, there is no project like this in the works, but I tend to think 
 about DSP...
 
 Thanks!
 
 Lyle KK7P
 
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[Elecraft] DSP for KX1 and K1

2008-01-11 Thread William Shappley
The nature of the KX1 (and the K1, hope to build one of those soon)  
would argue for a very low power,
simple DSP.  Since they are CW only rigs, Autonotch doesn't make  
sense to me (wouldn't it attack
the CW note you are trying to hear?).  Also, the KX1 built in crystal  
variable filter works FB for me.  So,
I think my preference would be a denoiser only - I'm sure you could  
fit that in the K1, maybe in a KX1.


73,
Bill
K4DXU
KX1 # 702
K2 # 5540
K3 # 00175


Lyle Johnson wrote:

If a really low power DSP could be made for the K1 and/or KX1 - say, one
that consumes 10 to 15 mA from a nominal 6V supply, less from a higher
voltage - which features would you be seeking?

Selectable bandpass filters?  Auonotch?  Denoiser?

Which would you be wiling to give up?

No, there is no project like this in the works, but I tend to think
about DSP...

Thanks!

Lyle KK7P
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[Elecraft] K3 Firmware Update

2008-01-11 Thread Don Rasmussen
Do I need to make note of this for when the K3 comes
so I can try both ways, or will it be included in a
new version of the K3 operators manual?

Or maybe there is a master list of all K3 firmware
revisions since the beginning of time and they are all
documented as completely as the text below? 

t u 


NEW 100- AND 50-Hz DSP FILTERS: We've completed the
addition of high-performance 100- and 50-Hz FIR
(finite impulse response) DSP filters. These are
flatter than the original IIR (infinite impulse
response) filters, and exhibit less ringing, which is
especially noticeable in the presence of high noise.
Some operators may prefer the original filters, which
have a slightly different sound. To switch between IIR
(old) and FIR (new), tap '7' on the keypad when you're
in any filter setup menu entry (e.g., CONFIG:FLx BW).
To use the FIR (new) filters, tap '7' until you see
IIR OFF. This is now the default for newly-shipped
K3s.

--


[Elecraft] K3 Firmware Update
wayne burdick n6kr at elecraft.com 
Fri Jan 11 12:56:35 EST 2008 

We've released a new revision of K3 firmware (both MCU
and DSP). Please see the release notes below. There's
also a new revision of the K3 Utility program. Let me
know if you have any questions.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

MCU 1.58 and DSP 1.48, 1-9-08

NEW 100- AND 50-Hz DSP FILTERS: We've completed the
addition of high-performance 100- and 50-Hz FIR
(finite impulse response) DSP filters. These are
flatter than the original IIR (infinite impulse
response) filters, and exhibit less ringing, which is
especially noticeable in the presence of high noise.
Some operators may prefer the original filters, which
have a slightly different sound. To switch between IIR
(old) and FIR (new), tap '7' on the keypad when you're
in any filter setup menu entry (e.g., CONFIG:FLx BW).
To use the FIR (new) filters, tap '7' until you see
IIR OFF. This is now the default for newly-shipped
K3s.


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[Elecraft] K3 new firmware release 1.58

2008-01-11 Thread cloud runner

GREAT SCOTT !!!

the new version of the narrow filter; at the noise floor the filter is half the 
width it was before as seen in spectrogram.  Not only that, the top of this new 
filter, even at 50 cycles wide, is FLAT topped.  I imagine that is why it 
doesn't ring, and it doesn't.

I listened to a signal that was 25 DB over nine, coming from the whistle clean 
K3 of W7QC, and then of an S-1 DX station, which once tuned in seemed S-9, both 
were essentially without ringing.

73,

FD - kt5x

K2 # 0700
K3 # 0144
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[Elecraft] K3 Operating Tip: How to do RIT (sortof) with the BIG knob

2008-01-11 Thread Greg
For those who would like to use the large VFO A knob as if it were RIT,
there's
a setup just for you.

Once you have your base frequency (or RUN frequency in a contest) TAP AB to
send the VFO A frequency to VFO B.  Then place the K3 into SPLIT mode.  Your
TX frequency will not change, but now you can tune your RX frequency with
the
VFO A knob to tune in those stations calling who are slightly off frequency.

In the CONFIG menu there's also a BA function that you can assign to one
of the programable buttons.  This feature allows you to pick up your TX
frequency from VFO B to match your RX frequency on VFO A.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 new firmware release 1.58

2008-01-11 Thread Bill W5WVO

Stop it! You're making me drool all over my keyboard!

Bill W5WVO
K3 in Febr... uh, Mar... uh, April, maybe...

cloud runner wrote:

GREAT SCOTT !!!

the new version of the narrow filter; at the noise floor the filter
is half the width it was before as seen in spectrogram.  Not only
that, the top of this new filter, even at 50 cycles wide, is FLAT
topped.  I imagine that is why it doesn't ring, and it doesn't.   


I listened to a signal that was 25 DB over nine, coming from the
whistle clean K3 of W7QC, and then of an S-1 DX station, which once
tuned in seemed S-9, both were essentially without ringing.  


73,

FD - kt5x

K2 # 0700
K3 # 0144
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Operating Tip: How to do RIT (sortof) with the BIGknob

2008-01-11 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
That's just how the K2 works too. I run split 100% of the time and almost
never touch RIT with either the K2 or K3. 

For those of us who cut our teeth in Ham radio on separate transmitters
and receivers, it works just like they did. 

1) Tune around and find the frequency you want to transmit on. It might be
someone calling CQ or a clear spot to make a call. 

2) Hit A  B to load the frequency you've selected by tuning around into VFO
B. VFO  B sets the xmit frequency, just like when we set our Tx VFO on the
Rx frequency, only a lot faster. 

Now you can continue to tune around with the big knob, but whenever you
xmit it'll be on the previously selected frequency in VFO B. 

At any time you want to move the TX freq to the one you're listening to,
just tap AB again.

If you're working a pileup or other situation where I am listening and
transmitting on different frequencies, pushing REV allows me to peek at my
xmit frequency to make sure it's still clear. (Of course that'll be even
easier when the Subreceiver is available!) 

For me it's not like doing sort of RIT with the big knob, it makes RIT
unnecessary. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

For those who would like to use the large VFO A knob as if it were RIT,
there's a setup just for you.

Once you have your base frequency (or RUN frequency in a contest) TAP AB to
send the VFO A frequency to VFO B.  Then place the K3 into SPLIT mode.  Your
TX frequency will not change, but now you can tune your RX frequency with
the VFO A knob to tune in those stations calling who are slightly off
frequency.

In the CONFIG menu there's also a BA function that you can assign to one of
the programable buttons.  This feature allows you to pick up your TX
frequency from VFO B to match your RX frequency on VFO A.


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